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EA probably have full rights to the licenses of the coming season. Not really a surpirse, is it?
H_A_N_S_E_N
15-07-2004, 13:50
one of the kits on the second scan looks like newcastle. maybe its juve or udinesse though but it looks like newcastle to me.
I agree. I have been a fan of Juventus for 12 years now, and they did not have this kit last season, or the season before (but then again it is bad quality!) It could look like newcasle or udinese, but I don't think it's juve. It looks like adidas shorts - and they aren't sponsored by adidas - but nike! But we'll have to see. We have proof now for the three licensed leagues - that is great :D
I'm only hoping it could be newcastle (thoug unlikely) because then it means more licenses :-) Guess we'll have to wait and see! Cheers
Lorenzinho
15-07-2004, 14:00
PES4 is still probably in production, right? So theres some hope. I wouldnt get too worried, not at least until the dreaded news is for definite and confirmed.
I don't see why everyone is so bothered by this. If you (in general) are a true PES fan, you know, or should know, that its not about the licenses! It's about gameplay!
Harry-Kewell
15-07-2004, 14:07
I don't see why everyone is so bothered by this. If you (in general) are a true PES fan, you know, or should know, that its not about the licenses! It's about gameplay!
I will still buy the game, whatever the outcome, but if this is and was the case, then Id be a tad disappointed.
Many people seem to forget that Konami have beaten their rivals with gameplay, always. FIFA always had a better presentation, more teams, even in the old versions like 97 or 98. Now the gameplay in Konamiīs games still is far better than in FIFA, Iīd even risk the statement that the difference in gameplay between WE/PES and the others now is bigger than 5 years ago. Plus Konami have made a huge step forward in presentation of the game and atmosphere. WE8 will contain at least about 60 licensed teams, it was 6 in WE7 ! 2 Years ago we couldnīt even dream of it, and now itīs true. So I donīt understand this discussion whether the EPL will be in or not, or if those are the kits from 2003 or 2004. For a real fan of Konamiīs game, and Iīm playin their games since good old Nintendo times, it simply doesnīt matter.
I bet the people who moan about that WE8 will have maybe only 2003 kits and not the new ones wouldnīt even see the difference between new and old kits in the game. Itīs just that someone told you so youīre making a big story out of it. Nuff said.
Lorenzinho
15-07-2004, 14:33
Many people seem to forget that Konami have beaten their rivals with gameplay, always. FIFA always had a better presentation, more teams, even in the old versions like 97 or 98. Now the gameplay in Konamiīs games still is far better than in FIFA, Iīd even risk the statement that the difference in gameplay between WE/PES and the others now is bigger than 5 years ago. Plus Konami have made a huge step forward in presentation of the game and atmosphere. WE8 will contain at least about 60 licensed teams, it was 6 in WE7 ! 2 Years ago we couldnīt even dream of it, and now itīs true. So I donīt understand this discussion whether the EPL will be in or not, or if those are the kits from 2003 or 2004. For a real fan of Konamiīs game, and Iīm playin their games since good old Nintendo times, it simply doesnīt matter.
I bet the people who moan about that WE8 will have maybe only 2003 kits and not the new ones wouldnīt even see the difference between new and old kits in the game. Itīs just that someone told you so youīre making a big story out of it. Nuff said.
I agree! I've only been playing PES since PES2(and that was 6 or 7 months after the release) and i knew right away that it wasnt the graphics or what not that was going to keep me addicted, it was the gameplay. As i said in my post earlier, everybody that is a TRUE PES fan, should know its about gameplay. I'm not saying i wouldnt like licensed kits from 04/05, but if i can play an unpatched PES3 for nearly two hours a day since its release, then i can sure as heck cope with 3 whole leagues licenses, be it from 2 years ago, last year or in 2150!
Come on people... Stay faithful... its an improvement!#
EDIT: Its fixed. I deleted it. No worries!
bensablue
15-07-2004, 14:39
Gameplay is more important than licences and names. Last season shirt is there bcause maybe adidas kept the new design top secret and now the design is released maybe Konami will update. But franky I don't care!
Weekend Warrior
15-07-2004, 14:44
Yep,well said, larsson and bonzo. I've been waiting for licenses ever since Winning Eleven 4 and I started on Winning Eleven 3. These fancy new league licenses are a god-send for someone who only plays an unpatched PS2 version, like me.
On another note, anyone know whether goalie kits are editable? ( an afterthought....seems like those licensed kit are not going to editable if Pes4 follows Pes3, where Roma and Milan's kit were uneditable....
So, PES4 will have the same licenses as WE8. An PES4 will run up until october 2005 as the latest version in the series. I find the thought of playing a game that has 2003 kits and rosters in the autumn of 2005 quite laughable. Its just another stick for FIFA fans to beat us with.
And anyway i've been playing ISS since the SNES and i love the series for its gameplay. But Konami need to come into the 21st century and realise that it is not just gameplay that sells games. I would rather they did the licenses properly or not at all.
Badgerman
15-07-2004, 15:06
Bah, I'm not too bothered about kits and liscenses, I'll just get it patched and that'll do me fine.
To tuh James: Why do we care what Fifa fans think? We already know that we're playing the best game available, let them act like little girls.
At the end of the day, I buy games to play, not to look at official kits which are hardly distinguishable from Konami's versions when squished onto me telly.
So, PES4 will have the same licenses as WE8. An PES4 will run up until october 2005 as the latest version in the series. I find the thought of playing a game that has 2003 kits and rosters in the autumn of 2005 quite laughable.
Nah, you canīt see it that way, in that way also FIFA has old rosters, because in autumn 2005 they still have the same line-ups like in 2004. Jamez, it has always been in WE/PES/ISS series, so you canīt really be surprised. Thatīs why there is a transfer mode to edit rosters, and thatīs why you can use patches, Iīd say that the kits and other add-ons which are made by amateur patchers are better than the default kits, stadims, boots etc.
If you ask me, Iīm not really bothered if there are kits from 2003/2004 or 2004/2005, as I said in my previous post, most people wouldnīt see that those are old kits if someone didnīt mention it.
If all these kits are from last year then this is a serious disappointment and commercial suicide from Konami. For the first time FIFA could be a serious option for me (if there is a big improvement in gameplay that is) because this is just beyond a joke.
I know what you mean, but you should expect that from Konami. I was! W11 8 will feature last year kits and rosters. As always. Pro Evo 4 will probably feature more recent "data". Donīt u know the drill??
And i agree with the idea that gameplay is what counts in the end, but what i canīt stand from Konami is their amateurish, childish and unrealistic way of "feeling" the whole idea of a footballing world.Theyīre japanese. Itīs a japanese way of looking at things! Football is a concept still to raw for them... I wouldnīt blame them for nothing, if they hadnīt come so close to "videofootballing heaven", and stopped at the gates... know what i mean? :) Anyway FIFA is not football ! itīs a different sport, the american way... :eek:
What do you mean by "amateurish, childish and unrealistic way of "feeling" ? ;)
I think you mentioned the problem already, theyīre Japanese, they have a Japanese view on it, you see it in their marketing strategy, probably Japanese fans prefer those funny advertising movies weīve seen than gameplay movies. But to be honest, I donīt have a problem with it, Iīd rather have many infos about the game before the release, than movies. Iīm content with the atmosphere in WE series, however I know what you mean by "I wouldnīt blame them for nothing, if they hadnīt come so close to "videofootballing heaven", and stopped at the gates...", they just make the most difficult things almost perfect, like gameplay, AI, controls, and then screw it a little bit with things like uneditable league mode, stupid ML system and other stuff...
BazHilder
15-07-2004, 16:43
one of the kits on the second scan looks like newcastle. maybe its juve or udinesse though but it looks like newcastle to me.
Yeah it does look like newcastle cos it has the blue sponsor like they do. Does anyone know if udinese have a blue sponsor?
luszpynskyj
15-07-2004, 16:44
Yeah it does look like newcastle cos it has the blue sponsor like they do. Does anyone know if udinese have a blue sponsor?
I thimk Juve have a new sky sponsor which is blue,.
This tell me no: http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=udinese&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
Juve's new sponsor is sky. The licenses are always of last season. So 03-04 Hence there sponsor being Fastweb.
why would they put a screen of Newcastle on the page with screens of italian teams?
Stevelfc
15-07-2004, 17:24
It could be Siena, i know they have a Black and White striped kit. Not sure if their sponser is blue though
Lorenzinho
15-07-2004, 17:37
Could it maybe be one of the newly promoted teams?
dannyboy20
15-07-2004, 17:46
I doubt it bonzo because there's only 18 licensed Italian teams. There were 18 teams in the division last year, this season there are 20.
Siena's kit
http://www.acsiena.it/images/schede/guigougianni.jpg
Udinese's kit
http://www.mso.com.cn/picture/UDI_/kit_home.gif
the screenshot does look very much like Newcastle, I'm not getting my hopes up though
yeah, it's either Siena or Udinese or Juve, doubt it's Newcastle, but it would be great
http://www.colours-of-football.com/ita/italy13.html
maybe it's ascoli...were they in serie A last year?
no, they played in Serie B last season
It's Udi. Ascoli weren't in Serie A last season, and they didn't get promoted for Serie A either.
There are 2 different teams with this similar kit, one with white shorts and one with black...
Jerobacob
15-07-2004, 18:53
Does anyone know if the kit templates for editing will be updated for this season's new kits that aren't licensed, like the new nike kits
Dunno, all I know is that we (resp. our decrypting kings ;)) will have to update all the tools in order to make them usable for WE8, and I donīt know how long it will take to do that. Prepare for 2-3 months for some part of the game, eg kits, like last year.
Jerobacob
15-07-2004, 19:16
thanks for that. methinks they (hopefully) will update it because of the high profile changes of kit that fans will demand, and they may do it as a compromise for no license for some teams....
Alberto Tomba
15-07-2004, 19:19
You know for what is essentially a WE/pES video Game website and forum you guys sure know the ins and outs of futbol.
"This team had this kit'
"No they didn't, they had this one *displays pic or link'
"oh yeah your right,but that would suck if they had last years" :D
Dunno, all I know is that we (resp. our decrypting kings ;)) will have to update all the tools in order to make them usable for WE8, and I donīt know how long it will take to do that. Prepare for 2-3 months for some part of the game, eg kits, like last year.
I dont think 2-3 months i think they will crack it soon, just like WE7I. I heard from several editing experts (you know who!:)) that i wont be that hard.
dunno, it took a few days for WE7:I, because it was quite similar to WE7, but it took 2-3 months to decrypt everything at WE7. I Hope youīre right, anyway, with all the licensed kits in it I think itīs not that important if 1 week or 1 month :)
It wont take long to crack. WE7 was the tricky bugger. It took 3 months before the coders cracked it. PES3 patches and WE7i came a week or two after release.
Cristiano!
15-07-2004, 20:34
How do you know this then - WE8 could well be another tricky buggar.
dunno, it took a few days for WE7:I, because it was quite similar to WE7, but it took 2-3 months to decrypt everything at WE7. I Hope youīre right, anyway, with all the licensed kits in it I think itīs not that important if 1 week or 1 month :)
Yes the same sort encryption, its a great possibilty the same sort encryption will also be in We8 only on a different way, and the coders know how to handle these encryptions now since WE7.
Thats what I have heard.
How do you know this then - WE8 could well be another tricky buggar.
Yes could be, but why did they implent the same sort encryption in WE7I then?? Its reasonable to think Konami continues the same way, so it wont take long. Of course I dont know the real facts about this, but some editingexperts told me this.
Well we cant really say anything about is untill WE8 is released.
Has anyone heard something about the non big-league-clubs?
I would kill for that info!
Almost...
I think that when anyone knows about any club confirmed in winning eleven 8 will tell everybody about it
uki...
I just can't wait...
i'm so anxious that i can't stop jumping...:D
Alberto Tomba
15-07-2004, 23:10
I'm glad i got FK to tide me over. i needed a break from WE7:I. And FK's just what I wanted it to be.
Alberto Tomba
15-07-2004, 23:40
fk? what's that?
Namco's PS2 football game made strickly for Japan. But it looks better and plays only a slight worse then WE/PES. It's really quite good. And it's literally on the heels of WE/PES for sure. It emulates it a lot, yet has a lower quality presentation to it. I for one am extremely happy with it, it's so much better than the Fifa games in terms of gameplay and animation. But enough about it. It's an obscure game that only a fanatic should get. :)
Pepe Montoto
16-07-2004, 02:04
Very good news! The kit looks pristine! :cool:
That thing when clearing annoyed the hell out of me as he could have hoofed it up the park but instead, he puts it into Row Z!
I also hope that they get rid of them two annoying goalie bugs:
1: You shake and jitter for a wee while and then concede a goal!
2: Your goalkeeper is in possesion of the ball, you diligently press :x: several times to throw the ball, to find that your keeper does not obey orders and punts it up the park!so much for build up play!
True. Number 1 very annoying
Number 2, are you talking about the keeper not passing the ball when he's on the edge of the box? did you try pulling the keeper back a few yards and pressing x after? It worked for me
Pepe Montoto
16-07-2004, 02:08
I don't see why everyone is so bothered by this. If you (in general) are a true PES fan, you know, or should know, that its not about the licenses! It's about gameplay!
Wise words mate
Absolutley, any real PES fan knows its all about the on the pitch action. Like someone mentioned earlier, Konami's about 4-5 years ahead as far as gameplay is concerned, and you'd rather be years ahead in that than in licenesces.
Polter2k
16-07-2004, 05:48
THe same scans but now with better quality , posted in Evo by famos
http://koti.welho.com/tsederh2/we8/we8_1n.jpg
http://koti.welho.com/tsederh2/we8/we8_2n.jpg
http://koti.welho.com/tsederh2/we8/we8_3n.jpg
See you
Polter2k
:)
lukinhazzz
16-07-2004, 07:19
I can`t wait moooooooreeeeee
thanks for the pics Polter, and we see that IT IS Juve on the middle pic, the other team with similar kits is Udinese
Wallie_Wallie
16-07-2004, 09:00
Indeed, very nice pics. I see that Davids is still with Barcelona... I hope they will/can change that.
Indeed, very nice pics. I see that Davids is still with Barcelona... I hope they will/can change that.
I hope so too, but it's not a very big deal to me..... If so, great, if not, I'll change it myself....
Absolutley, any real PES fan knows its all about the on the pitch action. Like someone mentioned earlier, Konami's about 4-5 years ahead as far as gameplay is concerned, and you'd rather be years ahead in that than in licenesces.
True, but I'm very, very pleased to see they have managed to obtain the licences of the Spanish, Italian and specially the Dutch leagues. It will give the game that little more glamour, so it'll draw the attention of gamers that really care for licences. To me personal it doesn't matter that much, because I only really care for the gameplay.... But the licences are an improvement.
no 03/04 dom1213..
nice pics Polter!...i just hope that the transfer mode is different now...cus the transfer mode in pes3 was a bit stupid...they should do something more simple...
are the kits 04-05 kits
Not sure about that... I saw some screens of RKC Waalwijk (Eredivisie), it showed the kit of the upcoming season..... But in other screens I saw teams in their kits of season 03-04.... Maybe only the Dutchleague has the kits of 04-05? Could be...
that'd be a bit stupid..it doesn't make sense...either they're all 04-05 kits or 03-04!!i guess..
Feyenoord kit seems to be for the next season, with their new sponsor, but the most kits are the old ones, so itīs possible that Dutch teams will have 2004/2005 kits while all the others will still have old ones.
Well, I think it'll be stupid too, but it's possible? The screens from Dannyboy show that the Dutchleague had the 04-05 kits (Feyenoord has a new sponsor in the upcoming season, and the screen had the new sponsor on the kit...).
that's a bit stupid...but hey, at least we have some licenses :D
Feyenoord kit seems to be for the next season, with their new sponsor, but the most kits are the old ones, so itīs possible that Dutch teams will have 2004/2005 kits while all the others will still have old ones.
I think that's possible indeed...... I was told that Konami has a deal with the Eredivisie (the Holland Casino Eredivisie).
luszpynskyj
16-07-2004, 10:14
Indeed, very nice pics. I see that Davids is still with Barcelona... I hope they will/can change that.
Actually, Davids signed for Inter a few days ago, anyway the pictures are great and evryone stop moaning about the kits being a bit old, if you go back to PES2, which was the best PES game a year ago today they didnt even have player names on the shirts let alone licenses. We would have only dreamed fo these screenshots back then
Actually, Davids signed for Inter a few days ago, anyway the pictures are great and evryone stop moaning about the kits being a bit old, if you go back to PES2, which was the best PES game a year ago today they didnt even have player names on the shirts let alone licenses. We would have only dreamed fo these screenshots back then
So...? Does that mean we can't discuss about the kits being used in PES4. Because in the past the players didn't even had real names? Way back, Pong was the closest you could get to soccer on a computer....
luszpynskyj
16-07-2004, 10:30
12 months isnt a long time ago. Anyway the kits in PES3 were old aswell, such as Milan and Lazio
THe same scans but now with better quality , posted in Evo by famos
http://koti.welho.com/tsederh2/we8/we8_1n.jpg
http://koti.welho.com/tsederh2/we8/we8_2n.jpg
http://koti.welho.com/tsederh2/we8/we8_3n.jpg
See you
Polter2k
:)
The scans are superb! It will be a lot easier on the patchers as well now. Now they have to patch less but there are also more teams! :)
But still that doesn't mean it's stupid to discuss about the kits.... I wouldn't care if the kits are from last season or upcoming season. Gameplay is all I really care about, but the licenses are a nice improvement compared to PES3....
luszpynskyj
16-07-2004, 10:39
But still that doesn't mean it's stupid to discuss about the kits.... I wouldn't care if the kits are from last season or upcoming season. Gameplay is all I really care about, but the licenses are a nice improvement compared to PES3....
All right, i guess the only reason i dont care too much about kits is because i will just patch my game anyway
Anyway, I can't wait for PES4 with or without 04-05 kits...... :) It promises to be a topclass soccersim a worthy follow-up for PES3.. Time will tell.
http://www.web-konami.com/products/ps2/we8/img/01.jpg
http://www.web-konami.com/products/ps2/we8/img/02.jpg
http://www.web-konami.com/products/ps2/we8/img/03.jpg
http://www.web-konami.com/products/ps2/we8/img/04.jpg
http://www.web-konami.com/products/ps2/we8/img/05.jpg
http://www.web-konami.com/products/ps2/we8/img/06.jpg
http://www.web-konami.com/products/ps2/we8/img/07.jpg
http://www.web-konami.com/products/ps2/we8/img/08.jpg
http://www.web-konami.com/products/ps2/we8/img/09.jpg
Lorenzinho
16-07-2004, 10:50
Number 2, are you talking about the keeper not passing the ball when he's on the edge of the box? did you try pulling the keeper back a few yards and pressing x after? It worked for me
Yeah. I've tried it all. It happens on a rare occasion but when it does it's the most frustrating thing ever as your keeper has brilliantly caught a corner and a counter attack is on! :mad:
http://www.web-konami.com/products/ps2/we8/img/10.jpg
http://www.web-konami.com/products/ps2/we8/img/11.jpg
Wallie_Wallie
16-07-2004, 11:03
Damn, those screens do make me impatient to wait for the game to be released. Look at that magnificent header of the number eleven ( I bet its a player from PSV)
There have been a lot of big transfers this summer , so I truly hope that they have put that in the game too. If they did not, it s not a big shame.. the game looks superb enough to me :)
t1000v2.0
16-07-2004, 11:11
Yeah, those screens are just lookin better and better, definate improvement over pes3, looks sharper and smoother, What really impresses me though, is the lighting effects, incredible!! will really capture the atmosphere now of the stadium/time/weather condition!
Lorenzinho
16-07-2004, 11:20
They all look so good. t1000v2.0, you're right, the lighting effects are fantastic. It's the little things like lighting effects that can create a good atmosphere at a final, say.
I can't wait anymore, its going to kill me! 3 more months until PES4!
Does anyone else think (seriously) that this game could go down in history? It seems that way from the way it's shaping up...
t1000v2.0
16-07-2004, 11:23
Yeah gotta agree with you, shaping up to be a winner...but the icing on the cake surely will be an EPL license for PES4, cos then we have the three best leagues in Europe with Serie A and La liga, that is good enough for me...well the Dutch get their top flight but I'mnot interested much in that (no disrespect) but back to the screens, I think they have learnt a lesson from Fifa2004 lighting as it is very good, the way the light gleams off the shirt, and not to mention the crowd effects with the flares, very realistic!! would love to have club specific chants too...but i doubt it. Its nice to see konami making an effort on presentation this time. Could possibly be the best PES to date.
Yeah gotta agree with you, shaping up to be a winner...but the icing on the cake surely will be an EPL license for PES4, cos then we have the three best leagues in Europe with Serie A and La liga, that is good enough for me...well the Dutch get their top flight but I'mnot interested much in that (no disrespect) but back to the screens, I think they have learnt a lesson from Fifa2004 lighting as it is very good, the way the light gleams off the shirt, so its nice to see konami making an effort on presentation this time. Could possibly be the best PES to date.
I have the feeling that this will be an improvement compared to PES3, possibly the best soccersim ever.... BTW, I'm from Holland, so you can imagine what a (pleasant) surprise it was to me when I found out the complete Dutch Eredivisie was fully licensed.... Because I know what a problems EA has with the KNVB about the dutch player every year over and over again. But to me it's also a big loss that the EPL license will possibly not be in PES4..... I would rather have the EPL fully lincensed in PES4, but who am I, this is fine with me too :)
t1000v2.0
16-07-2004, 11:38
Well if its not in this year, then i'm hopeful that it will be in the next one as well as online play.
dannyboy20
16-07-2004, 11:39
http://www.danny18.pwp.blueyonder.co. uk/4play.jpg
http://www.danny18.pwp.blueyonder.co. uk/news1.jpg
http://www.danny18.pwp.blueyonder.co. uk/newss.jpg
And the above small pics all as one large pic:
http://www.danny18.pwp.blueyonder.co. uk/class.jpg
dannyboy20
16-07-2004, 11:54
I also have the pics from the new Famitsu cut up into smaller individual pics. Not sure if anyone wants them?
From Konamilk translating Famitsu scans:
Serie A:
AC Milan, Ancona, AS Roma, Bologna, Brescia, Chievo Verona, Empoli, Inter, Juventus, Lazio, Lecce, Modena, Parma, Perugia, Reggina, Sampdria, Siena, Udinese.
Liga Espanyola
Albacete, Athletic Bilbao, Atletico Madrid, Barcelona, Celta, Deportivo La Coruna, Espanyol, Malaga, Mallorca, Osasuna, Racing Santander, Real Betis, Real Madrid, Murcia, Real Sociedad, Real Zaragoza, Sevilla, Valencia, Valladolid, Villarreal.
Eirik555
16-07-2004, 12:06
Bring it on! ;) :)
omg, this game is looking soooooooooooo sexy :D But still about 2 months till it's released for PC :(
joelcool
16-07-2004, 12:47
owwwwwww these pics look awesome, i cant wait anymore for pes 4
and by the way the Dutch ere divisie is not so bad as u all think
Dannyboy, paste the cuts from the new famitsu :D
dannyboy20
16-07-2004, 13:28
More info from Konamilk:
top: jumping chest trap
left: back heel with studs
right: more intense foul!
http://www.danny18.pwp.blueyonder.co. uk/b.jpg
dannyboy20
16-07-2004, 13:30
http://www.danny18.pwp.blueyonder.co. uk/a.jpg
http://www.danny18.pwp.blueyonder.co. uk/c.jpg
http://www.danny18.pwp.blueyonder.co. uk/d.jpg
http://www.danny18.pwp.blueyonder.co. uk/e.jpg
dannyboy20
16-07-2004, 13:31
http://www.danny18.pwp.blueyonder.co. uk/f.jpg
http://www.danny18.pwp.blueyonder.co. uk/g.jpg
http://www.danny18.pwp.blueyonder.co. uk/h.jpg
http://www.danny18.pwp.blueyonder.co. uk/i.jpg
http://www.danny18.pwp.blueyonder.co. uk/j.jpg
BazHilder
16-07-2004, 13:41
http://www.web-konami.com/products/ps2/we8/img/10.jpg
http://www.web-konami.com/products/ps2/we8/img/11.jpg
That picture of nedved looks amazing. They've improved player graphics loads in this version. Is that danny mills leading out one of those real teams?!
dannyboy20
16-07-2004, 13:56
Higher quality pics can be seen here:
http://www.gamekult.com/tout/actus/articles/A0000035233.html
and:
http://www.gamekult.com/tout/actus/articles/A0000035233_2.html
does anyone have a screenshot of acmilan
dannyboy20
16-07-2004, 14:16
Check out Kezman lol
http://img.gamekult.com/photos/00/00/47/69/ME0000476952_2.jpg
Wallie_Wallie
16-07-2004, 15:16
He is just as ugly as he is in real.. Damn this game is so realistic ;)
BazHilder
16-07-2004, 15:17
Just seen all the bigger images from before on the screenshots thread and none of them have the roteiro, maybe we've just got the one ball again.
It's great to see the ref close up, so far we've seen him wearing black, red and green. does anyone know if there'll be any editing of the refs available?
I can't wait for we8 to come out even though i'll wait for pes4 just cos then we'll know all the details.
holy cow!the game looks great!can't wait...
RonaldoFenomeno
16-07-2004, 15:36
Hey Guys i don't like the screenshots....i hope only the PC version will have these graphics..it sucks..
i don't wanna play with feets in the shape of a square...
BazHilder
16-07-2004, 15:37
What are you talking about? it's a huge improvement. and i only just noticed the grass stains on kezman's socks. amazing detail!
RonaldoFenomeno
16-07-2004, 15:40
no i know what i'm seeing....this screenshots are from PC right??
say pls yessssssssssssss
Foxhound
16-07-2004, 15:43
i think WE8 will be the best game ever!! nice screenshot
no i know what i'm seeing....this screenshots are from PC right??
say pls yessssssssssssss
They do look like PC graphics as theyre not crisp/clean images. Also, when I loaded PES3 to PC Patched, I had kits that looked similar to that.
dannyboy20
16-07-2004, 15:47
RonaldoFenomeno: These screens are high resolution. On your TV you will not notice it really. It's because they're high resolution shots you noticed all the squares etc.
RonaldoFenomeno
16-07-2004, 15:47
This is not Playstation2 screenshots....do you all like this screenshot????
i bet this are the pics of the PC version.....
http://www.danny18.pwp.blueyonder.co. uk/c.jpg
RonaldoFenomeno
16-07-2004, 15:48
owke dannyboy you the one i have to believe :)
i want videos god damn it!!!!!!
dannyboy20
16-07-2004, 15:52
Those in the Famitsu magazine are definitely not PC shots. They're PS2 because its a PS2 magazine :)
RonaldoFenomeno
16-07-2004, 15:56
and they show Real Madrid, but not RONALDOOOOO!!!
dannyboy20
16-07-2004, 15:58
Ronaldo is there, just on the left...you can only see a small part of him though
RonaldoFenomeno
16-07-2004, 16:03
Lol.......
Cristiano!
16-07-2004, 16:06
Graphics looks very poor, very blocky and theres polygons all over the place, players feet sinking into the ground, hands embedded in other players bodies etc.
Also the grass stains are only on the socks, how come every player has sock stains but not a single mark of dirt on their shirts? I hope its not one of those half-assed features that sounds promising but is poorly executed.
The kits weren't exactly clear cut, very blurry and not high quality at all. The blockiness of everything is the worse thing though, just look at the ball for fuck sake, it looks like they are kicking a hexagon around the pitch.
Hopefully its just the high res shots, usually the shots released before the game look a bit shitty, but turns out to be much better in the final game.
I suppose its reasonably promising, but its not mind blowing at all. Certainly not "revolutionary" as some people seem to be making out around here.
I honestly think this game is just going to be a natural progression, rather than anything thats going to blow all opposition off the park.
Cristiano!
16-07-2004, 16:08
which is Beckham??
Nice first post idiot.
RonaldoFenomeno
16-07-2004, 16:26
hahahhahaha
Graphics looks very poor, very blocky and theres polygons all over the place, players feet sinking into the ground, hands embedded in other players bodies etc.
Also the grass stains are only on the socks, how come every player has sock stains but not a single mark of dirt on their shirts? I hope its not one of those half-assed features that sounds promising but is poorly executed.
The kits weren't exactly clear cut, very blurry and not high quality at all. The blockiness of everything is the worse thing though, just look at the ball for fuck sake, it looks like they are kicking a hexagon around the pitch.
Hopefully its just the high res shots, usually the shots released before the game look a bit shitty, but turns out to be much better in the final game.
I suppose its reasonably promising, but its not mind blowing at all. Certainly not "revolutionary" as some people seem to be making out around here.
I honestly think this game is just going to be a natural progression, rather than anything thats going to blow all opposition off the park.
What other competition is there... FIFA? LOL. I do see what you mean though.. more of an update than a revolutionary game
BazHilder
16-07-2004, 17:04
I've just noticed the amount of views of this thread - over 21,000. Had we started the points thing when this thread was made? If so dannyboy must be raking it in!
don't judge the game before playing it!you cannot tell if something is good or bad from what it looks like!!!maybe the gameplay now is so smooth that you won't even notice the poor graphism you mentioned...you shouldn't judge anything or anyone before you know or experience it Cristiano!...
dannyboy20
16-07-2004, 17:27
lol Bazhilder, this thread was only made 2 weeks ago ;)
I agree with dorval, with all the new gameplay features they're saying thats included it is looking a lot more than an update.
Some Japanese magazines have given the game 9.9 and 10 out of 10 supposedly :o
RonaldoFenomeno
16-07-2004, 17:29
10???? that must be the SHIT!!!!!
I think PES4 may have to be given 11/10 Here!
10 out of 10!!oh my god!where the hell are those gameplay videos?konami likes to make us bloody suffer...
10 out of 10!!oh my god!where the hell are those gameplay videos?konami enjoys making us bloody suffer...
nice...2 posts...neat...indeed very neat...sorry about that:D
RonaldoFenomeno
16-07-2004, 17:41
Dannyboy20 what about Bernabeu???
dannyboy20
16-07-2004, 17:49
No news mate yet.
i thought it was already confirmed in we8
Cristiano!
16-07-2004, 17:53
I'm not condemning the game at all guys, just commenting on those screenshots. All I was saying is don't expect anything out of this world, because otherwise there might be a few dissapointed people around here. Lets just wait for the elusive gameplay videos and then continue the discussion.
But a lot of the new features are cosmetic or very superficial, like back heel flicks etc. - we have heard very little about wholesale changes to improve the fluidity and realism of the gameplay as a whole. It may well be very similar to WE7 just with the sort of cosmetic additions we have been bombarded with over the last week or so. Ofcourse its far too early to judge, as you say.
P.S - magazine ratings don't really mean much in my eyes. PES3 got 9's and 10's but I still think there were massive flaws in the game and huge room for improvement. Its each man for themselves really when it comes to this great game, I for one am a severe perfectionist and hyper-critical analyst, if its not perfect I'm never happy...:)
I am looking forward to it immensely, I just don't let the hype cloud my expectations because being let down is not something I enjoy - especially when I've just forked out Ģ160 on a Silver chipped PS2 :)
dannyboy20
16-07-2004, 17:55
no dorval, only 6 stadiums so far we've seen.
Cristiano, we've heard quite a lot about the changes actually. Such as the dribbling (the ball doesnt stick to your feet, so you can push the ball to the left of a player and run to his right). Also the crossing has changed where you have 9 directions to aim, freek kicks have changed and I think maybe penalties.
I guess when we see it for ourselves we'll find out truly how much of an improvement it is :D
RonaldoFenomeno
16-07-2004, 17:59
Fifa 2005 has also kits of season 2003/2004
http://www.playscope.com/fichiers/photos/6773/fifa2005_013.jpg
I'm not condemning the game at all guys, just commenting on those screenshots. All I was saying is don't expect anything out of this world, because otherwise there might be a few dissapointed people around here. Lets just wait for the elusive gameplay videos and then continue the discussion.
But a lot of the new features are cosmetic or very superficial, like back heel flicks etc. - we have heard very little about wholesale changes to improve the fluidity and realism of the gameplay as a whole. It may well be very similar to WE7 just with the sort of cosmetic additions we have been bombarded with over the last week or so. Ofcourse its far too early to judge, as you say.
P.S - magazine ratings don't really mean much in my eyes. PES3 got 9's and 10's but I still think there were massive flaws in the game and huge room for improvement. Its each man for themselves really when it comes to this great game, I for one am a severe perfectionist and hyper-critical analyst, if its not perfect I'm never happy...:)
I am looking forward to it immensely, I just don't let the hype cloud my expectations because being let down is not something I enjoy - especially when I've just forked out Ģ160 on a Silver chipped PS2 :)
what about the new passing system?won't it change the fluidity and realism of the game?more dribbling movements?new centering system?new ball control?direct pass using chest?Knee-height volley shoot while turning round(lol)?
you need to take all this and more features into account mate..:D
damn that fifa screenshot looks ugly...very ugly!!!disgusting!!!we8 screenshots are much better...and that Barįa player in the middle...the right sock is below the knee...clearly imitating we8 lololol :P
Cristiano!
16-07-2004, 18:04
Hmm, I wasn't aware of some of those features you pointed out.
Has anything been mentioned with regards to the shooting and goalkeeping "system"?
And Dorval you are quite right, the WE8 screenshots comparitavely do look very good, the FIFA shot looks horrifically distorted, is it me or does that Barca player have a ginormous head ? :)
Cristiano!
16-07-2004, 18:15
Nah Fifa will never sink - not while there are so many bone idle, cosmetically driven, football uneducates running about.
if you're not aware of some features check that link...but probably you've checked it already Cristiano!:http://forum.pesinsight.com/showthread.php?t=9756
GateC724
16-07-2004, 18:43
I'm going to buy we8 but i need 2 know some things.
1.will it work with an slide card-sawp magic combo.
2.is there any other places apart form play asia and lik-sang because they wont accept returns if product wont work.
3.did we7, we7i etc work with the slide card-sawp magic combo.
help will be very much appreciated.
thanks
I'm going to buy we8 but i need 2 know some things.
1.will it work with an slide card-sawp magic combo.
2.is there any other places apart form play asia and lik-sang because they wont accept returns if product wont work.
3.did we7, we7i etc work with the slide card-sawp magic combo.
help will be very much appreciated.
thanks
1. According to the makers of the slide card it will
2. don't know. got mine from play-asia
3. Yes they did
I'm going to buy we8 but i need 2 know some things.
1.will it work with an slide card-sawp magic combo.
2.is there any other places apart form play asia and lik-sang because they wont accept returns if product wont work.
3.did we7, we7i etc work with the slide card-sawp magic combo.
help will be very much appreciated.
thanks
1)100% it will mate
2)
3) YES, as it will be a DVD, and it is most likely that it will be under the TOC of the SM dvd!
luszpynskyj
16-07-2004, 19:04
I liked the answer to no. 2, classic ;)
Anyway, the new screens look great and by the way, what actually are the 6 confirmed satdiums, I think I was away when they were announced
dannyboy20
16-07-2004, 19:08
These are the stadiums we have seen so far from various pics:
Westfalenstadion - Dortmund (new):
St James Park - Newcastle
Parc des Princes - PSG
Stade Velodrome - Marseille
Rasunda Stadion - Sweden
Ennio Tardini - Parma (from WE7:I)
De Kuip - Feyenoord
luszpynskyj
16-07-2004, 19:14
Thanks for that, great to see Veledrome, Princes and Westfalenstadion in there, not sure about Sweeden, strange choice
Alberto Tomba
16-07-2004, 19:15
Ok, I like, but "Screw the Screens!"
I wanna see motion video!
I really think the player animations will be even more fliud and that there will be full direction control now. I said "I really think"
I think the Philips Stadium is also in. Take a look at the PSV screens, the one with the header from Robben and the Kezman one. That looks much like the Philips Stadium. It makes sense, because then the stadiums of the ''big three'' are in the game.
What do you think Dannyboy?
By the way, is it possible that I saw you at Call of Duty multiplayer, dannyboy?
edit-sorry, i pressed the wrong button, thats why there was nothing
Cristiano!
16-07-2004, 19:30
What is that cduin - I dont see anything?
joelcool
16-07-2004, 19:32
I`m glad to see De Kuip back in we8, the last time De Kuip was in a soccergame Was fifa 1999
joelcool
16-07-2004, 19:35
i dont think the philips stadium is in the game because that pic of robben was not in the philips stadium
1)100% it will mate
2)
3) YES, as it will be a DVD, and it is most likely that it will be under the TOC of the SM dvd!
It will work with swap magic as it only has one language. Unless Konami throw a big .dummy.bin file in to make it hard for us swap magic users. Therefore, we could get around that problem bu rebuilding the iso with CD/DVD Gen. Dont worry, We Will get it to work no matter what! :D
has anyone got a pic of AC milan in we8 ?
dannyboy20
16-07-2004, 19:41
dom1213, like i said in the pm...just look in the screenshots thread and in here. every screenshot of the game are in those!
eddyrose13
16-07-2004, 20:00
Edit
I think the Philips Stadium is also in. Take a look at the PSV screens, the one with the header from Robben and the Kezman one. That looks much like the Philips Stadium. It makes sense, because then the stadiums of the ''big three'' are in the game.
What do you think Dannyboy?
By the way, is it possible that I saw you at Call of Duty multiplayer, dannyboy?
edit-sorry, i pressed the wrong button, thats why there was nothing
it isn't the philips stadium...it's st.james park i think...almos 100% sure :D
Well, Maybe it is'nt, but it looks very much like it. Good alternative if the Philips Stadium isn't in.
yeah....but reckon something cduin st.james park is confirmed in the game whereas philips stadium isn't...until now of course..
OK, i guess it is st. James park then, I only really hoped Philips Stadium was in, and well, like I said, good alternative
Ogopa Djz
16-07-2004, 21:07
Its seems to me that National squads will use the Roteiro ball while normal Club teams will use the Pelias(sp) ball in PES4.
Travis Bickle
16-07-2004, 21:19
Anyone know anything about the "new penalty taking", is it just how the player runs upto the ball or are they gonna copy the N64 footy game (forgotten which one) with the squares.
Eirik555
16-07-2004, 21:26
The stadium isn't St. James Park or Phillips stadium... For the love of god, can't you see that it's old trafford? I'm 110% sure...;)
Anyone know anything about the "new penalty taking", is it just how the player runs upto the ball or are they gonna copy the N64 footy game (forgotten which one) with the squares.
In WE7i there was the Signori penalty, I bet you know it. Wait I have a video of it.
Signori Penalty Angle 1 (http://www.frutsel.terrainhost.com/frutselapp/dump/GFK/fletcher%20pen%201%20dscn2323. avi)
Signori Penalty angle 2 (http://www.frutsel.terrainhost.com/frutselapp/dump/GFK/fletcher%20pen%202%20dscn2324. avi)
Signori Penalty angle 3 (http://www.frutsel.terrainhost.com/frutselapp/dump/GFK/fletcher%20pen%203%20dscn2325. avi)
This penalty kick will be available for all players (of course selectable) and maybe more, who knows but this is what we can expect.
Cheers
Cristiano!
16-07-2004, 21:34
Wow that looks cool - can't wait to play WE7I :) just got to wait for http://www.kanection.co.uk/product.php/195/0/ to chip and return my ps2 :)
People are repeatin the same Damn Shit. Come on, add something new not old and used to your posts boys!
GFK - That Fletcher Peno - Ive never seen that. How did you do it bro?
MarioCarrillo
16-07-2004, 22:04
Is there going to be any Mexican teams? :eek: ... thay are very good, or at least some from argentina :o ... I believe konami completely forgets america, they should take a look beacause almost always the american teams win the intercontinental cup :cool:
Campeonato Nacional de Liga 2003/04 Primera y/o /Segunda Division Producto bajo Licencia Oficial de la LFP
that means that there will be the Spanish league and confirms that the uniforms are from the year 2003/04.
the use of real player names and likenesses is authorised by FIFPro and its member associations.
Officially licensed by Eredivisie NV
Gioco ufficialmente concesso in licenza dalla LEGA NAZIONALE PROFESSIONISTI
in that things it doesnt say the year.
I hope that it help someone
The game is looking very good visually, especially the new lighting effects, although Konami have to go easy on the FIFA style player varnish that gives them a glossy appearence. I'm impressed with the new stadiums and new gameplay features that have been reported. I just hope that konami give us a new editor so that we can get the unlicensed teams looking as good (loads of kit templates and a sponsor editor please!). And please allow us to edit licensed kits when they become out-of-date, ie straight away as soon as the game is released! I wont keep going on about the 2003/04 licensing issue because it doesnt seem to bother anyone else (ive heard plenty of people saying they are not bothered about the kits - they patch the game. Surely a contadiction!).
Failing this, hopefully PES3 will be patchable so i can get an up-to-date version of the game i love. And by the way, FIFA will be based on the 2004/05 season, you can guarantee it.
Cristiano!
16-07-2004, 23:54
I doubt there will be any new editing options - I mean, we have heard NOTHING about them yet.
Which means the same crappy old way of transferring players around, something I have still to this day never got the hang of. It sums up Konami so damn well :)
Alberto Tomba
17-07-2004, 00:27
*To everyone*
I will be getting the game on Aug 6th and I will post written impressions and host some videos as well. :)
Cristiano!
17-07-2004, 00:29
It will probably be available before then illegally, its only a matter of time before we see some videos.
t1000v2.0
17-07-2004, 00:34
I doubt there will be any new editing options - I mean, we have heard NOTHING about them yet.
Cristiano, i think the fact they havent said anything doesnt really imply what has changed either way surely? I mean no news is good news right? hmm...now i got myself thinking actually....well maybe they have tweaked some aspects of editing cos they cant just bring out more or the less the same as what they had on we7/pes3 can they?
Cristiano!
17-07-2004, 00:45
Cristiano, i think the fact they havent said anything doesnt really imply what has changed either way surely? I mean no news is good news right? hmm...now i got myself thinking actually....well maybe they have tweaked some aspects of editing cos they cant just bring out more or the less the same as what they had on we7/pes3 can they?
I hope not mate, but as we all know, you can never really tell with Konami.
justincader
17-07-2004, 00:57
Alot can happen in three weeks so I hope Konami bring a brand new extremely detailed editing system. It should be one of the most important aspects of W11 8 (besides gameplay of course!!)
The ability to edit whatever the hell you want makes the whole series stand shoulders above any other football game on the planet. Have some faith guys, Konami won't let us fans down!!!
Cristiano!
17-07-2004, 01:01
Alot can happen in three weeks so I hope Konami bring a brand new extremely detailed editing system. It should be one of the most important aspects of W11 8 (besides gameplay of course!!)
The ability to edit whatever the hell you want makes the whole series stand shoulders above any other football game on the planet. Have some faith guys, Konami won't let us fans down!!!
I'm glad you have that much faith in Konami to know what the fans want, because I sure as hell don't. :)
Cristiano!
17-07-2004, 05:03
Wouldn't it also be nice if Konami did something like the new Football Kingdom game in terms of the goal nets....that looks so damn sweet!
Alberto Tomba
17-07-2004, 05:14
Wouldn't it also be nice if Konami did something like the new Football Kingdom game in terms of the goal nets....that looks so damn sweet!
In terms of the goal nets?! heck what about animation? some of FK's gameplay and animation is the best i've encountered ever. The game takes getting used to and has horrible AI(meaning if you play against the computer) but if you play against somebody it's tops. The pace is just right, maybe too fast for some(but that's because :triangle: is ment to be a bullet pass) but if you regulate between passes (which all have meters) it's tops. Plus in about 20+ games i haven't scored the same goal twice. :)
dannyboy20
17-07-2004, 08:15
From WE Mailmag:
http://mk.web-konami.com/p/mailmag/we/vol14/images/column01_image03.jpg http://mk.web-konami.com/p/mailmag/we/vol14/images/column01_image02.jpg
Dannboy, how do you subscribe to the MailMag? The pictures of the san siro it looks like look amazing.
dannyboy20
17-07-2004, 09:12
It took me about 8 hours to work it out lol
Everything is in Japanese, and you have to sign up...i still can't remember what is what, i just kept trying different things.
http://mk.web-konami.com/p/mailmag/we/index.html
It's the top CLICK link to sign up i think.
dannyboy20
17-07-2004, 09:17
Indirect Free Kick:
http://www.danny18.pwp.blueyonder.co. uk/we8fk.jpg
joelcool
17-07-2004, 09:56
So only the dutch league have the kits of season 2004/2005
i`m very glad to hear this
As it was stated a few pages ago, it seems FIFA have lost the licensing from Nike. I was over at MSN Gamesradar and came across this screenshot of "BabyFace" branding last seasons kit with out a "Nike" emblem.
http://gamesradar.msn.co.uk/media/gamesradar/fifa157_08.jpg
Could we see an appearance a few Premiership teams in the near future? Why are Konami delaying the videos? Is it because they've got something to hide? We'll see...
bensablue
17-07-2004, 10:31
FIFA looks poor! The pic of Kezman at Old Trafford shows him wearding PSVs new kit so maybe some teams will have the new kits and others won't!
Lorenzinho
17-07-2004, 10:47
Konami won't let us fans down!!!
D'you not mean Konami won't let their pockets down?
ronaldoisagod
17-07-2004, 10:54
I had a chance to play fifa 2005...as a guest of my friend...he works for EA. But I had prior engagements. He says the game has changed a lot. But I doubt they'll do anything too drastic...
t1000v2.0
17-07-2004, 11:13
That last shot of Fifa!! OMG what is up with the player models, they look almost alien. Is it just me, or do the dimensions and proportions look seriously wrong? Seems they have gone a stedown from fifa2004 models. The fact they dont seem to have the Nike sponsor, maybe it means Konami have it, and we'll see Nike fully licensed this time round.....
Foxhound
17-07-2004, 11:19
hopefully it will include the epl teams whose sponsor is nike like manutd,arsenal.. etc..
but i think the crowds are way better than WE8.. i.e its not flat
oh man...fifa is horrible...but i guess un-nicked is right...the crowd looks much better in fifa than in pes...well in we8 the crowd looks different...we'll see
t1000v2.0
17-07-2004, 13:28
well we'll need some vids to see what are crowd are like and how well they are animated, but anyway, the flares and effects look good which will add depth to the crowd graphics, just hope they dont look like cut outs and has for once some good animation too.
Ryder Style
17-07-2004, 13:44
gotta say w11 8 is looking very good from what ive seen.
got a question though, is the ball in w11 8 gonna be the same as the one used in PES4
dannyboy20
17-07-2004, 15:00
no idea mate. Previously WE7 had two footballs to choose from. Then when PES3 came out there was only one. So only time will tell I guess.
dannyboy did u have to fill in the reg in jap of chinese for the mag
dannyboy20
17-07-2004, 15:30
for some of them yes mate, i just copied sum japanese letters off the page
Foxhound
17-07-2004, 17:15
new info on aging players, master league system, etc
as posted by masaemaya from evo-web
Hey guys, I just took a look at Konami's website and they have some interesting, new info on the way players age, the way master league works, etc. This info is from http://www.konamityo.com/we/game/we8/index.html. This is all translated by me, btw.
Ok, so, firstly, players will retire. We all knew that. However, after they retire, a few years later they will reappear as new players in the "team-less players market pool," and be available to any team (not just the team they retired from a few years earlier). So, Zidane and Baggio and the gang will never go away, haha. They will just come back as new 18 year olds versions of themselves or something.
The players will improve their skills throughout the season and the off-season. You can see their improvements on a special screen. The way players will improve is of course from playing in matches (you can see their performance right away after the match and if they have improved and how much), and also from training. You can train during the season to improve your player (no mention if they will wear out if you train them too much), and you will also have to train/condition them during the off-season. All the training and conditioning will be done in the same way "challenge training" has been done up until now. So, basically, if you get a young player, he may not deserve to go out and play in matches right away, right? If he does well during training though, then you might put him in and see what he can do for in a real game.
All the players stats will return to default when you start the ML (even if u have changed the stats before the start of ML). This is of course to reduce cheating. Classics players will, as in real-life, not be available. These are not features which can be adjusted with an ON/OFF option, but they are made permanent to increase difficulty. Also, I'm not sure about this next bit cause it's not written that well, but created players will not be available in ML. Sorry, I can't confirm 100% that last bit because I can't understand it from the way it's written. My guess is that you will not be able to use created players.
Next, since there is now a "raising" or "bringing-up" system with the practices and conditioning systems, it's possible to raise some players to stardom. You can, of course, forego this and just buy another team's nurtured star player. However, it's written that the true core strength of a team should be based on raising a group of players with the same nationality. So, just like real-life, I think. You should do as you wish and experiment though, it's written.
When starting the ML, there are 3 options forwhat kind of team you start with. Firstly, it's the good-ol Miranda and Castroll team (the fictional team we have grown to love up until now). Secondly, you can simply start a team with the actual players who are on that team right now, in real life (Zidanoo, Rolando, Becks on Real, for example). Lastly, you can start a team with its real players, like option #2 above, but before the start of the season you will have to get rid of all but 3 of the original players and basically create a brand new team. Before the start of the season, you will have to choose a new name, pick new uniforms, flags, etc. Basically, scrap together a bunch of players from the "team-less players market pool," combine them with the 3 players you left over from the original team, and make a whole new team. It's not written if you get an extra budget to scrap together players.
Some things you can buy in WE-SHOP will affect ML. You can, for example, change the league names. You can also change which teams are in which league. So, in D1, for example, there are 4 league with 16 teams. In D2, there are only 8 teams. You can mess around with which team is in which division and league. So, it will be possible to create life-like leagues (La Liga, Premiership, Seria A, etc).
Ok, there you have it. I translated this information myself (I speak Japanese), not the online-translating stuff, so I think it's accurate.
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some of them may have been posted before
BazHilder
17-07-2004, 17:51
Nice one un-knicked, pretty informative post. With the "team-less players market pool" does that mean you can just release players and they'll go there? Is this just for ML or will it be in the editing section?
That's be good cos it would mean that you can transfer players without swapping them with someone else.
"All the players stats will return to default when you start the ML (even if u have changed the stats before the start of ML). This is of course to reduce cheating."
What a pile of shit is that ? Does that mean we have to play ML with the crappy unrealistic player stats which Konami gives us ?
Well I assume it can be changed with an external editor, but for PES4 and those people who canīt patch but edit everything manually or use the Xport itīs a bad news.
Cristiano!
17-07-2004, 18:14
That is complete and utter shite.....nice one Konami. Why not just give the option to use default data or edited data? Fucking wonder about them sometimes.
Lorenzinho
17-07-2004, 18:14
"All the players stats will return to default when you start the ML (even if u have changed the stats before the start of ML). This is of course to reduce cheating."
What a pile of shit is that ? Does that mean we have to play ML with the crappy unrealistic player stats which Konami gives us ?
Well I assume it can be changed with an external editor, but for PES4 and those people who canīt patch but edit everything manually or use the Xport itīs a bad news.
That maybe the thing that'll stop me buying PES4. i want to be able to edit my players before the ML and not have to them 1 million times! This is truly a digrace. What are they thinking of? They should know editing is one of the most important parts of the game but its boring. Goodness sake. Dont make us do it all over again! Im not able to patch games so this is just gayness at the highest teer!
yea it is bad news, maybe they under-rate many players (as usual) which wudnt be fair and realistic
It means that player stats will be loaded from the disc and not from the option file. Like I said, itīs not a problem at all for people who play WE8, because they can change the stats with an external editor, itīs pretty easy, and then burn it onto a DVD, and they will have their changed stats in the ML.
Don't you people get it? What's the point of editin the stats if they'll always be changing depending on several factors?
JESUS. You might edit someones stats, start the ML and the next game, he'll perform poor and what? The stats will be back to where the were...
I think it's a great idea. KONAMI 4 EVER.
Is it possible that Konami still doesn't know if PES4 (PC) will have multiplayer ??? No words about it and it's 2 months to the release...
That is complete and utter shite.....nice one Konami. Why not just give the option to use default data or edited data? Fucking wonder about them sometimes.
Tsst tsst tsst :rolleyes: Iīm telling all of you w11 lovers: Nokami are a bunch of asshole type gay yellow sons of something bad :o I expect nothing but a great gameplay and a batch of crappy ideas in all other aspects of the game. As always. But things tend to become hard to accept. Itīs so stupid that it hurts my feelings, both as a football lover and a W11/Pro Evo gamer. Iīll try to keep coolness somehow, and love the "beauty" when i get it... ;)
Remember: they donīt see Football the way we Europeans do. Itīs a shame...but itīs true :o
Cristiano!
17-07-2004, 18:45
Tsst tsst tsst :rolleyes: Iīm telling all of you w11 lovers: Nokami are a bunch of asshole type gay yellow sons of something bad :o I expect nothing but a great gameplay and a batch of crappy ideas in all other aspects of the game. As always. But things tend to become hard to accept. Itīs so stupid that it hurts my feelings, both as a football lover and a W11/Pro Evo gamer. Iīll try to keep coolness somehow, and love the "beauty" when i get it... ;)
Remember: they donīt see Football the way we Europeans do. Itīs a shame...but itīs true :o
Harsh, but probably true.
Don't you people get it? What's the point of editin the stats if they'll always be changing depending on several factors?
JESUS. You might edit someones stats, start the ML and the next game, he'll perform poor and what? The stats will be back to where the were...
I think it's a great idea. KONAMI 4 EVER.
well u may have a point there... mmmm... i guess i got used to previous WE series and forgot about the "changing stats" coz i havent played it yet. but the question is, in case a player was doin bad, would a player's stats drop to his default stats? or would it keep on droppin?
They will keep dropping until he gets his sh*t back together. :D
What about updating the squads for the latest transfers? Will the teams be loaded from the disc of just the players' stats?
no seriously, this game is going to be very interesting. i love the part where u improve the youngsters and make superstars out of em. very very good job
Lorenzinho
17-07-2004, 18:56
Hmmmmmm, it all sounds a bit too.....em.....GAY to me! What in God's name are they playing at? I'm not buying it! I'm on strike!
Stevelfc
17-07-2004, 19:01
Not liking the idea of the new ML thing atall but i wouldnt go to the extremes of going on strike. It dont matter how crap it sounds im sure it will be ok...well atleast i hope it will
Don't you people get it? What's the point of editin the stats if they'll always be changing depending on several factors?
JESUS. You might edit someones stats, start the ML and the next game, he'll perform poor and what? The stats will be back to where the were...
I think it's a great idea. KONAMI 4 EVER.
You donīt get it. Konamiīs stats are just unrealistic. Of course stats change, 2 months before the European championship everyone thought Rooney is overrated, now most of the people say heīs underrated. But if you give Ronaldinho sth like 75-80 for technique, dribbling and shooting then itīs just ridicolous. And to be honest, if I wouldnīt be able to change it I wouldnīt play ML. Itīs just a stupid idea to withdraw the possibility from us to decide on our own. The stats should depend on that how the player performs in real life in normal form. It doesnīt matter if he plays good in one match and weak in the next one. Thatīs not the way how stats for the game are generated.
They say that it's to reduce cheating, so hoepfully you can turn it off like the automatic save option of PES3.
Cristiano!
17-07-2004, 19:06
Sounds like theyve gone and shot themselves in the foot, it sounds to me as you wont even be able to change the rosters in master league mode...how shit will that be. For example in 6 months time, you start a new master league game and Hasselbaink is still at Chelsea etc.
You donīt get it. Konamiīs stats are just unrealistic. Of course stats change, 2 months before the European championship everyone thought Rooney is overrated, now most of the people say heīs underrated. But if you give Ronaldinho sth like 75-80 for technique, dribbling and shooting then itīs just ridicolous. And to be honest, if I wouldnīt be able to change it I wouldnīt play ML. Itīs just a stupid idea to withdraw the possibility from us to decide on our own. The stats should depend on that how the player performs in real life in normal form. It doesnīt matter if he plays good in one match and weak in the next one. Thatīs not the way how stats for the game are generated.
konami is probably thinking as long as we control the game, then we shud be able to live with the fact that stats change just like they do in real life, according to game performances and trainings. i duno how those people think, but thats the assumption i can come up with hehe :p
You donīt get it. Konamiīs stats are just unrealistic. Of course stats change, 2 months before the European championship everyone thought Rooney is overrated, now most of the people say heīs underrated. But if you give Ronaldinho sth like 75-80 for technique, dribbling and shooting then itīs just ridicolous. And to be honest, if I wouldnīt be able to change it I wouldnīt play ML. Itīs just a stupid idea to withdraw the possibility from us to decide on our own. The stats should depend on that how the player performs in real life in normal form. It doesnīt matter if he plays good in one match and weak in the next one. Thatīs not the way how stats for the game are generated.
Again, why does it matter? It's not like in your Master League Rooney will be overrated and then in 2 months, underrated. ML =/ real life.
Lorenzinho
17-07-2004, 19:14
Again, why does it matter? It's not like in your Master League Rooney will be overrated and then in 2 months, underrated. ML =/ real life.
I think what Larsson means is that if Ronaldihno for instance was rated poorly e.g. below 80 for technique, then if you changed it to say 99 or whatever then you wouldnt be able to keep it that way!
Ah, now I get your point jumbo. Well, I donīt agree though, but I know what youīre referring to ;)
Of course stats of Rooney depend on how he performs in MY ML, thatīs why the player stats WILL actually change in ML during a season depending how they perform. But Iīd like to have realistic stats when I begin the game, Iīm not speaking about changing eg the shot-power from 85 to 90, Iīm speaking about the fact that some players are really underrated in the game, thatīs not realistic. You also like to play with real names, appearance and this stuff, donīt you ?
yea bonzo but the thing is ronaldinho and any other player do not always play the same. sometimes he performs less and sometimes great. depends on the game and training. well i think i like the system tho. imagine urself playin in real life, sometimes u wud perform greatly and everyone wud b talkin bout u, and sometimes its just not ur day. thats real life football ;)
Lorenzinho
17-07-2004, 19:26
wo wo wo wo! Hold on... I never knew ALL your players Stats (Shot Power, Shot Technique) improved.... I thought it was just your, average bobs (Default ML Team Players, No offence to anyone named bob, rob, robbie, robert, bobby, bobert, roberto or boberto...lol) that improved. If thats the case it's not that bad actually, qwuite good as a matter of fact!
I am sorry if this has already been answered but is there a language change facility in WE8 ?? And does anyone know if there is an option for a custom league ??
Thanks
Baz
I am sorry if this has already been answered but is there a language change facility in WE8 ?? And does anyone know if there is an option for a custom league ??
Thanks
Baz
we8 shouldnt have 'language change facility' Baz coz its supposed to be sold in Japan only. unless they do a we8international, then yea.
Alberto Tomba
17-07-2004, 19:54
Just give me realistic lighting,better pitch look,and some more fluid animation and i'll be happy. the licenses,the ML doesn't matter for the first few months until the patches come out. I'm more concerned about what we'll have as a core game. graphics can not be improved by a patch, and lighting and textures can't be either. it's what they do with it technically that i'm most worried about because it is a $75 dollar game once I get it.With that said. WE7:I is a great game and only needed a few tweaks anyway(especially the goal clearance),but now that I've gotten FootBall Kingdom i see what more they can implement into their game as well. Football Kingdo has great ideas but not the Konami dev team behind it. Namco's cool for Soul calibur and what not but it's reaching a bit with it's footie game,yet it managed to do things and look very good for it's first version. Something Konami has had a chance to improve on already since seeing now that it's at number 8 in it's series. major concerns/minor concerns a plenty, but one thing's for sure who on this board's NOT gonna buy it?
gerberoo
17-07-2004, 20:00
Tsst tsst tsst :rolleyes: Iīm telling all of you w11 lovers: Nokami are a bunch of asshole type gay yellow sons of something bad :o I expect nothing but a great gameplay and a batch of crappy ideas in all other aspects of the game. As always. But things tend to become hard to accept. Itīs so stupid that it hurts my feelings, both as a football lover and a W11/Pro Evo gamer. Iīll try to keep coolness somehow, and love the "beauty" when i get it... ;)
Remember: they donīt see Football the way we Europeans do. Itīs a shame...but itīs true :o
lol so true. I'm canadian and football is only semi-popular here and of course for some fucking reason fifa is developed here in canada just goes to show you why it lacks perspective.
Just give me realistic lighting,better pitch look,and some more fluid animation and i'll be happy. the licenses,the ML doesn't matter for the first few months until the patches come out. I'm more concerned about what we'll have as a core game. graphics can not be improved by a patch, and lighting and textures can't be either. it's what they do with it technically that i'm most worried about because it is a $75 dollar game once I get it.With that said. WE7:I is a great game and only needed a few tweaks anyway(especially the goal clearance),but now that I've gotten FootBall Kingdom i see what more they can implement into their game as well. Football Kingdo has great ideas but not the Konami dev team behind it. Namco's cool for Soul calibur and what not but it's reaching a bit with it's footie game,yet it managed to do things and look very good for it's first version. Something Konami has had a chance to improve on already since seeing now that it's at number 8 in it's series. major concerns/minor concerns a plenty, but one thing's for sure who on this board's NOT gonna buy it?
i wont! just kiddin lol. im buyin 10 of it! :D
Lorenzinho
17-07-2004, 20:16
So, do ALLLLLLL players stats ( Zidane, say ) improve ? Not just the default Castello, etc?
yea everyones stats improves/drops according to what the magazine says
Lorenzinho
17-07-2004, 20:28
yea everyones stats improves/drops according to what the magazine says
In that case, im not so worried about the stats being default when you start the master league. It's actually a good idea in that case because you could improve Zidane by 5 for each stat and then he'd improve even more in the ML, if this wasnt implemented. Nice One i say!
Thanks for clearing it all up. I thought i was going to cry. *sniff sniff*
lol. no probz mate. but i hope it wont be a hassle improving their skills in training method. cant wait to play. much new stuff added besides playin matches. its good that training is taken more seriously during ML coz thats another real life act. i hope they dont get injured due to over-training though :p
P.S. hey ive got -17.0 points! how come? lol
Lorenzinho
17-07-2004, 20:41
P.S. hey ive got -17.0 points! how come? lol
Now, thats worrying! PM an Admin or something. Maybe and Admin confiscated your points? :rolleyes: ;)
BazHilder
17-07-2004, 21:09
I think it's gonna be a really good implementation in the ML cos it'll create a kind of reality within a game because everyone can be good not just those who are good in real life at the moment when they develop the game. You should definitely be able to turn it off though.
Badgerman
17-07-2004, 22:27
"Classics players will, as in real-life, not be available."
NOOOOOOo1p1i2rp0111111
Bah
No more Cruyff, Pele or Zico.
Bah, the amazing zico freekick will be gonedud.
Sad, sad day. Unless they can patch it.
Hmmm...
"Classics players will, as in real-life, not be available."
NOOOOOOo1p1i2rp0111111
Bah
No more Cruyff, Pele or Zico.
Bah, the amazing zico freekick will be gonedud.
Sad, sad day. Unless they can patch it.
Hmmm...
I thought he said that classic players were only unavailable in the master league?
It certainly would be a shame if they were scrapped altogether
wow..i like that players stats change according to their performances and training....maybe there are new training methods...more realistic?that'd be great
wow. just got back off holiday to find out there are fully licenced leagues in we8. the idea of stat development in ML seems like a good idea.
The retirement system is bad news. Its a bit stupid having the same old players regenerate, so theres nothing fresh about the youth players. I hope we can turn retirement off. Also Konami have decided to stick with the same ML format which was poor in PES3. And it sounds like there will be a WE shop again, which i hated. All of the things you can buy should be available from the start, like the transfer and team tactics edit. These should be default features of any football game and should not have to be unlocked. Its seems all the simple things are made difficult with Konami.
In future i would like to see WE and PES developed seperately. What i mean is the game-engine should be the same for both, but then the games are developed further by seperate groups in Japan and Europe. This would mean that WE could be tailored to the Asian market, and a European influence could be put on PES (ie proper leagues and more attention to the details that the Japanese don't seem to grasp). I think Europeans would get a better game this way, as Europeans would help finish the game to our taste.
P.S.
I would really like to protest and not buy this game, but i know there is nothing else that is as good in the gameplay department.
Damn, i'm weak.
Maybe interesting, from Gamespot, In the second last paragraph someting exciting (and Konami of Europe is confident that further deals with other clubs will follow in the near future.)
Licensed teams for Pro Evolution Soccer 4
Konami of Europe confirms Dutch, Spanish, and Italian league licenses for its upcoming soccer game. New screens inside.
Konami of Europe today confirmed that it has acquired Dutch, Spanish, and Italian league licenses for Pro Evolution Soccer 4. With the licenses in place, Pro Evolution Soccer 4 will become the first title in the popular soccer series to feature teams wearing their official uniforms, complete with sponsor logos and suchlike.
The licenses announced today apply to 56 of the game's 136 club sides, including the likes of Ajax, PSV Eindhoven, Feyenoord, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Deportivo, Milan, Juventus, and Parma. In addition to club teams, Pro Evolution Soccer will feature more than 50 national sides.
"We are delighted to add three officially licensed leagues to Pro Evolution Soccer 4," said Martin Schneider, director of marketing at Konami of Europe. "Fans of the game have long called for us to implement their favorite teams in their favorite game, and this marks a major step forward in our quest to deliver the most authentic football title around. Adding all clubs from the Dutch, Spanish, and Italian leagues confirms that we are committed to adding more and more authenticity to the series, and Konami of Europe is confident that further deals with other clubs will follow in the near future."
Pro Evolution Soccer 4 is scheduled for release on the PlayStation 2, Xbox, and PC in Europe toward the end of this year. We'll bring you more information on the game as soon as it becomes available.
we are committed to adding more and more authenticity to the series, and Konami of Europe is confident that further deals with other clubs will follow in the near future."
Hopefully we will see a few more licensed clubs in time for PES4 then.
Lorenzinho
18-07-2004, 00:43
and Konami of Europe is confident that further deals with other clubs will follow in the near future."
I'm liking the sound of that...
Whoever said that the Japanese and koreans or "yellow skinned sons of.. something bad" as you called them, you racist idiot, dont know about football, the youre a fool. They make this game ebcause they love it. Sure it might be a bit different in terms of the way atmosphere is portrayed, but then again, the crowds still make a hell of a lot of noise at J-league games and so on. It is merely something that wasnt done right yet, thats all. Give them a break. And as for not understanding the game, how did korea perfrom so well in the world cup? Luck? No. They clearly love the game, at any rate, for the same reasons we do.
Its great to see licenses. A bit sad that its year old kits in Serie A and El Primera or whatever its called, but it wont bother me too much. I just think its stupid, thats all, and really dumb of the leagues. Short sighted, and money grabbing. I just hope to god that the premier league gets in ebcause that would be ace.
And does anyone know if the custom leagues will be able to have more than 16 teams this time round? After Id flawlessly (!) created the premiership win PES3, only then did I remember you could only have a league with 16 teams! It seemed a really pointless limitation to me, so hopefully they'll rectify it.
As far as I'm concerned, if they keep the basis the same and improve it all it'll be amazing. But I always worry that adding new tricks and so on isnt what PES is about, thats FIFA territory - its like in real life, all pro footballers can do great ball skills compared to us - but only those who are cocky or genius know how and when to use them in games. So in PES3 I hardly eer used the skill things as such, because you dont need them to be good. Anyway, I was pleasantly surprised about that in PES3 - they were quite hard to perform and were rarely that effective anyway, unlike in fifa rubbish. The 360 turn had to be executed so well to skin people that it was hardly bothered with in a game - like in real life. So.. I still have so much faith in konami. I really, really hope they keep the basic ideals and stuff in place, which have always made it better than FIFA. And i just hope tehy dont mess up, because its shaping up to be the best game ever right now!
Lorenzinho
18-07-2004, 00:52
Wise first post, mate! Well im off people. Going on holiday at 04:30! Wont speak to yous all for 3 weeks! See yous!
Is there any chance that Konami can grab the 2004-05 licenses for spain and italy in time for PES4? That would make my year.
I dont know alot about the laws regarding football licenses but is this at all a possibility? I just find it strange that Konami managed to get the up-to-date Dutch league and not the others.
Lorenzinho
18-07-2004, 01:03
True. And the dutch (league, government-not people) are usually the more stubborn ones. I think it could be a possibility. Look at WE7 and PES3. PES3 had a couple more licenses and it was released after WE7. Who Knows?
The future'ss bright, the future's not Oranges0(fill in as you please)
t1000v2.0
18-07-2004, 02:09
all the rest of the news sounds good, the only real downer is the regeneration of retired players still. The way it was said, was that they come back as youngsters, means they will still have the same name, appearence. That add realism?? I must be missing the point and did it also say in that translated article that this feature cant be switched off??
well it says that there are some features in it which canīt be switched off, to make ML more difficult. However I donīt know if this info also refers to the retiring of players, but I fear it is so.
Cristiano!
18-07-2004, 03:18
That is utter shite, I was at least under the impression the computer would calculate a new youngster from the retired player, like CM. I just can imagine it now, an 18 year old Zinedine Zidane with a bald head and Adidas boots.
I don't usually swear but, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING KONAMI.
This combined with the fact we are forced to use default data which is usually about as accurate as Helder Postiga 18 yards from goal, has just made this the shittiest and most worrying day in terms of the new game.
Could we be in for a let down, with some of the crap they've been telling us about now, could it be a case of 1 step forward, 10 steps backwards?
all the rest of the news sounds good, the only real downer is the regeneration of retired players still. The way it was said, was that they come back as youngsters, means they will still have the same name, appearence. That add realism?? I must be missing the point and did it also say in that translated article that this feature cant be switched off??
According to this theory, all online games are stupid.
Why? Because just like here you play with the same players after they come back as youngsters, in online games you play the same maps over and over.
So? Is it really stupid? Well, even though you're playin the same maps - are two matches the same? No, everyone is different.
So, why does the same apply to playing with the "same" players? After they come back and you buy them, will you be playing the exact same matches and doing everything the same as before? Will everything be the same, their stats, your match experiences? They'll have the same names but they won't be the same. Does the name really matter that much?
Have you people ever thought that generating new players is simply not possible in this case?
Remember - the memory card is only 8 MB? How much space do created players in CM take up?
In WE8, everything from their appearances to stats would have to be saved. So, how many people could you generate?
Say you're playing 50 seasons. Every ten seasons you get 1000 new players. 50,000 new players on a memory card?
No no no no no...
Say, they would be overwritten by the new ones... That's still a 1000 new players.... or more.
Alberto Tomba
18-07-2004, 04:39
Wise first post, mate! Well im off people. Going on holiday at 04:30! Wont speak to yous all for 3 weeks! See yous!
A 3 week holiday? You lucky... :D
Cristiano!
18-07-2004, 04:52
No offence Jumbo - but the map analogy was utter tripe.
Fair point about the logistics of it though - however if its not possible to do the feature properly due to limited resources, and I still think it could be done some way or another - why include a half-assed, pathetic feature like returning retired players as youngster just with a different age or whatever.
I think if you can't do it properly, don't do it at all.
What a massive let down, not sure why people are trying to find excuses or plus points - the fact is that the news today has been a major dissapointment and we may be more reliant on the patch makers with this game than ever before.
It's all common logic.
Some peeps (not you, just in general) should take their heads out of their butts and look at the different things such as technical limitations first before criticising.
If you think about it that way, maybe you'll realize that what they're doing is maybe the only & the best way they could do it at this time... on this system... with this hardware...
And as for not doing it at all:
> God didn't created the unvierse in one day.
> Greece didn't win the Euro by winning one game.
> It takes 9 months for a baby to come out.
Things take time. Better this than the same old shlt also known as WE6/WE7 ML.
How realistic is playing 30 seasons in Div 1 with a team consisting of all the best players in the game + best retired players?
Different = New = Fresh =/ Same Old Sh..
Say you're playing 50 seasons. Every ten seasons you get 1000 new players. 50,000 new players on a memory card?
No no no no no...
Say, they would be overwritten by the new ones... That's still a 1000 new players.... or more.
This doesnīt make any sense, you donīt know what youīre speaking about.
So how do the 5000 players which will be in the game fit on a memory card, on an option file which will only have 1,5 mb ? Simply. Because those things are NOT saved on the memory card. Even if it was saved on the card, lets say the 5000 original players take 1 mb out of the 1,5 mb. So 1000 new talents would take 200 kb more...
I like the most things which Iīve heard, except the ML default stat thing and the retirement. Like someone mentioned before, itīs bullshit to implement something in a game which is not 100% developed. And this is not 100% developed. A database like in CM IS possible in WE, actually CM with all its thousands of players and teams has only 300 mb. Fresh and new doesnīt mean automatically that itīs better. Maybe for you itīs better, well, ok, I accept your opinion, but for me not, why does Konami not give me the choice ? Itīs both unrealistic, no retirements at all are unrealistic, and the thing which Konami makes now isnīt less unrealistic.
Donīt take this as an offence, but I have enough of those people who praise every new feature trickheadedly just because they canīt accept any critical voices.
Foxhound
18-07-2004, 07:59
i really like that classic players cant be used in ML.. but what i hate the most is that the retired players will recycle as a younger player
i hope that if konami cant get license for epl teams.. dammit!! please include the real clubs' call team name in the game!! like manchester united, arsenal,fulham etc
Wallie_Wallie
18-07-2004, 09:45
How realistic is playing 30 seasons in Div 1 with a team consisting of all the best players in the game + best retired players?
These are wise words. I don't mind new features in the game as long as they don't screw the gameplay :cool:
t1000v2.0
18-07-2004, 10:03
It's all common logic.
Some peeps (not you, just in general) should take their heads out of their butts and look at the different things such as technical limitations first before criticising.
No offence, but what you are saying doesnt make sense, like Larsson said. Technical limitations isnt the reason why konami cant do the retirement thing properly, as the hardware and storage media is good enough for player databases. It isn't actual players that are saved on a memory card the players and models are in the game. It's the player "data" that is stored on a card, which is no problem cos its only stats.
The limitation is that when you have retirement of real players, the more real players that retire you'll end up with fictional ones if these things weren't implemented in this way. So instead Konami are just recycling retired players so you still get to play with the big names and those that we know rather than made up ones. Now that is all well and good cos maybe there aren't many ways to get around the actual retirement thing, which makes me think then, leave the retirement out. Ok so its less realistic if players just keep going on, but then this regeneration seems far worse. Also its nothing to do with trying new or fresh ideas, if the idea sucks it sucks, new or old it doesn't matter. Cos what you are gonna have now if you imagine a scenario, is players who reach retirement age and retire will come back and be as young as Rooney and C. Ronaldo and the like. Imagine that, Shearer retires, comes back and is the same age as Rooney, tell me how this is gonna feel realistic/authentic as any football fan knows that Shearer had his day but has now been reborn, what the hell? this just kills all sense of realism,
but as i value the points of others on this and they seemed pretty mixed which is fair enough, but let's not lose sight as to why this is being implemented and why it seems a bad idea.
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