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[GFK]

But you forget that Zidane also can come back as a Goal Keeper (As it seems now maybe this is not true and will Zidane always come back as MF).
And it always up to you, if you buy a young Zidane he will not automatically end in a Superb Zidane he is nowdays. You have to train and play matches with him, and you will ALWAYS get a a different Zidane. First time your Zidane ended up in a good Midfielder with a good technique, next you buy him he will be a ala Beckham with superb passing skills but not a very good technique. So you will ALWAYS get different Zidanes, I think this makes a big difference instead of always getting the same Zidane plus the fact ZIdane can come back as Goal Keeper makes it more interesting then you think.
Its always up to you how ZIdane will develop....

[H_A_N_S_E_N]

I just recently read some news on a danish website, and it had some info from konami. It seems that konami will try to get some more licensed teams for PES4. They already have 3 fully licensed leagues, and now they say that they expect to have even more licensed teams in PES4. That is great news :-) Cheers....

[t1000v2.0]

Yes that is great news, I mean overall as long as the game engine is good and graphics and presentation are improved then I dont think the master league thing will bother me so much, it may even be ok in reality...ah well they know what they are doing....just.

[Foxhound]

Thanks to pascalito (Wearepes)

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20040717/kf13.jpg

lucky bast@rd!!! they have play the game but why we havent seen a video?????????

[bostero]

maybe the retirement system is like Pcfutbol, when a player in that game was old and he started to play worst every season, he retired, and in the game apeared another player of the same nationality, same stats that the real player had when he retired (lower than usual),but with another name, for example when in Boca Juniors Serna was doing that in the game appeared a player called fernando nino, same as the old one but with 14-15 years less

[Cristiano!]

I hope so Bostero.

I really can't understand you Jumbo - how can you be defending this feature? Also don't tell me to pull my head out of my arse - are you fully aware of the technical side of things? I don't think so, if you ask me its very plausable to randomly create a new player based on the player that has just retired. These new players wouldn't be stored permananently, just temporarily within the master league file.

Don't forget, the data and appearance for every single player in the game is held within the option file, which is only 240kb. So they can therefore replace every player in the game in theory with only an extra 240kb.

How on earth you see the top players coming back to "life" as realistic is beyond me, you are still going to be able to keep the top players for 30 seasons, just with a little more effort.

Well said the person who said people are just afraid to hear a critical view. In my opinion its the worst idea I've ever heard - and considering that screenshot above makes it look like the game is all finished and out in the shops, means that this appalling feature is a reality.

Lets just hope the gameplay makes up for it...but I really thought Konami would of learnt by now.

[razor]

i dont understand why everyone is hating this feature. i thought this game was all about realism. it isnt realistic if you have an 83 year old playing on your team. if you dont like itjust turn the feature off. i can almost guarantee it will give yoiu the option of having it on or not.

[larsson]

But you forget that Zidane also can come back as a Goal Keeper (As it seems now maybe this is not true and will Zidane always come back as MF).
And it always up to you, if you buy a young Zidane he will not automatically end in a Superb Zidane he is nowdays. You have to train and play matches with him, and you will ALWAYS get a a different Zidane. First time your Zidane ended up in a good Midfielder with a good technique, next you buy him he will be a ala Beckham with superb passing skills but not a very good technique. So you will ALWAYS get different Zidanes, I think this makes a big difference instead of always getting the same Zidane plus the fact ZIdane can come back as Goal Keeper makes it more interesting then you think.
Its always up to you how ZIdane will develop....

Was it so hard then to give this new Zidane another name ? And (almost) everyone would be happy. And like you said, it´s possible that the players come back on the same position and with the same appearance.
Well I will change the age for all players to the lowest possible setting before playing, this should give me at least 15 seasons without retiring :D

[Alberto Tomba]

Thanks to pascalito (Wearepes)

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20040717/kf13.jpg

lucky bast@rd!!! they have play the game but why we havent seen a video?????????

Hmmmmmmm IMHO the lighting looks the same,oh boy this gets me worried. you see I could care less about licenses,ML,regeneration,and or classic players. If this game doesn't improve it's pitch atmosphere graphically then i'd call konami bad words.

P.S. You can do feints easily by just tapping at the :R2: button in Football Kingdom :)

[jumbo]

I hope so Bostero.

I really can't understand you Jumbo - how can you be defending this feature? Also don't tell me to pull my head out of my arse - are you fully aware of the technical side of things? I don't think so, if you ask me its very plausable to randomly create a new player based on the player that has just retired. These new players wouldn't be stored permananently, just temporarily within the master league file.

Don't forget, the data and appearance for every single player in the game is held within the option file, which is only 240kb. So they can therefore replace every player in the game in theory with only an extra 240kb.

How on earth you see the top players coming back to "life" as realistic is beyond me, you are still going to be able to keep the top players for 30 seasons, just with a little more effort.

Well said the person who said people are just afraid to hear a critical view. In my opinion its the worst idea I've ever heard - and considering that screenshot above makes it look like the game is all finished and out in the shops, means that this appalling feature is a reality.

Lets just hope the gameplay makes up for it...but I really thought Konami would of learnt by now.

Generating new players = adding more players = adding more data.

Chagning only stats for existing players = not adding any players = no data added, only changed.

Didn't somone already explain that the only thing the new players coming back will have with the old ones will be their names? That's it. They will diff stats, play diff positions, etc.

Is it so damn hard to overlook a frikin "name" and play the game?

It's all about the names. It's really all about the names. All about the names. Do names really make that much difference to you? Will they make your playing experience worse? N-a-m-e = That's "name". English word for something you call a person not more than that................

[Alberto Tomba]

Man the grass still looks like inlayed carpet! It has that clean look still. Konami have to bring back the grass from gamecube's WE6:FE cuz at least that looked marginally better.

[Cristiano!]

I know what you mean, the turf and nets are utter shit - Ive said it all along and people used to say "its impossible to make it look the turf and nets any more realistc on the ps2 hardware" - then football kingdom came out.

This game could be a real fucking let down after all. :( Since when did all football matches take place on green carpets :@

[t1000v2.0]

As for those shots, you cant really see the lighting effects, you cant see the game on the screen so well not to mention colours. The grass wont bother me much, as long as the graphics are crisp and smooth, and there is enough detail, that'll keep me happy.

Jumbo, you still don't seem to get it, and you are speaking very patronisingly towards people, if you have an opposing view, by all means air it, but don't come across like your opnion is the be all and all of the matter, cos it's not. Also you keep telling people to get their heads out of their ass, infact I make it more that it's probably the other way round, as you are too quick shoot your mouth off before knowing exactly what it is you are talking about. And to answer your q about it being all about names, its not about the names, its about the idea, the concept.

[Alberto Tomba]

I know what you mean, the turf and nets are utter shit - Ive said it all along and people used to say "its impossible to make it look the turf and nets any more realistc on the ps2 hardware" - then football kingdom came out.

This game could be a real fucking let down after all. :( Since when did all football matches take place on green carpets :@

Well Madden Football or ESPN NFL 2k5 have better grass even.And those two games are dev using the PS2 engine.
yeah i totally agree on football kingdom. I am quite happy with that game. actually i think it's amazingly well done for a first time effort. They(Namco)have a good thing going..

[larsson]

It's all about the names. It's really all about the names. All about the names. Do names really make that much difference to you? Will they make your playing experience worse? N-a-m-e = That's "name". English word for something you call a person not more than that................

So I guess you´re playing without any patches or Option files, with fake names and appearances, right ? Just wanna know.

[Raven9]

Whoever said that the Japanese and koreans or "yellow skinned sons of.. something bad" as you called them, you racist idiot, dont know about football, the youre a fool. They make this game ebcause they love it. Sure it might be a bit different in terms of the way atmosphere is portrayed, but then again, the crowds still make a hell of a lot of noise at J-league games and so on. It is merely something that wasnt done right yet, thats all. Give them a break. And as for not understanding the game, how did korea perfrom so well in the world cup? Luck? No. They clearly love the game, at any rate, for the same reasons we do.

Its great to see licenses. A bit sad that its year old kits in Serie A and El Primera or whatever its called, but it wont bother me too much. I just think its stupid, thats all, and really dumb of the leagues. Short sighted, and money grabbing. I just hope to god that the premier league gets in ebcause that would be ace.

And does anyone know if the custom leagues will be able to have more than 16 teams this time round? After Id flawlessly (!) created the premiership win PES3, only then did I remember you could only have a league with 16 teams! It seemed a really pointless limitation to me, so hopefully they'll rectify it.

As far as I'm concerned, if they keep the basis the same and improve it all it'll be amazing. But I always worry that adding new tricks and so on isnt what PES is about, thats FIFA territory - its like in real life, all pro footballers can do great ball skills compared to us - but only those who are cocky or genius know how and when to use them in games. So in PES3 I hardly eer used the skill things as such, because you dont need them to be good. Anyway, I was pleasantly surprised about that in PES3 - they were quite hard to perform and were rarely that effective anyway, unlike in fifa rubbish. The 360 turn had to be executed so well to skin people that it was hardly bothered with in a game - like in real life. So.. I still have so much faith in konami. I really, really hope they keep the basic ideals and stuff in place, which have always made it better than FIFA. And i just hope tehy dont mess up, because its shaping up to be the best game ever right now! :cool: You didn´t got the point... Racist? Me? You would laugh if you knew me... Chill out. In a couple of years , you´ll get the point. Say no more,if you know even less :)

[Cristiano!]

Bloody well said Larsson and t100 - this guy really takes the biscuit. Do you work for Konami or something?

[Lami]

cmon people stop all the un-necessary arguing about a game thats not even out yet! We all know that Konami always improves the game. And we all know that we will continue to play the game. Thats how it always was and will always be. The info we got are impressing enough. So lets just save our arguments till after we play the game and have enough experience :)

[dom1213]

anymore new screenshots has anyone registerd to the japanese site

[jamez]

Generating new players = adding more players = adding more data.

Chagning only stats for existing players = not adding any players = no data added, only changed.

Didn't somone already explain that the only thing the new players coming back will have with the old ones will be their names? That's it. They will diff stats, play diff positions, etc.

But surely if every retired player is replaced by one young player then there is no net increase in the amount of data. It could bring back zidane for example, keep his stats but change his name and let the CPU give him a random appearance. Then the old zidane is wiped off the slate.

Surely a small database of names could be incorporated, otherwise regeneration is very unrealistic.

[Lami]

but y the big deal jamez? weve always been playin with the same players the whole time and no one mentioned anything back then about it. now when retiring and regeneration is added everybodys annoyed? weird. if it werent added then we wudve been playin the same old system again. its just similar to the older system, but in a different creative manner.

[jumbo]

So I guess you´re playing without any patches or Option files, with fake names and appearances, right ? Just wanna know.

What, me?

No, I'm playing with patches.

Before I got my modded system, I was playing WE6 with fake names, etc.

Did it matter to me? No, the gameplay was the best ever.

[jumbo]

Bloody well said Larsson and t100 - this guy really takes the biscuit. Do you work for Konami or something?

No, I don't work for KONAMI.

I just find playing the game more fun than moaning about it.

No good in moaning now. The game is finished, will be shipping in 2 weeks.

Ok, the system ain't great but what can we do now? Nothing. I'm just trying to look at the positive side of things and learn to live with it...

"Takes the biscuit"... :rolleyes: You peeps really are a weird nation. :p :D

[MattShez]

Dont woory i dont think Konami are stupid enough that they bring out a horrible feautre into the game, it might not be so bad!

C'mon they created the Winning Eleven and Pro Evolution series!!!

[GFK]

Was it so hard then to give this new Zidane another name ? And (almost) everyone would be happy. And like you said, it´s possible that the players come back on the same position and with the same appearance.
Well I will change the age for all players to the lowest possible setting before playing, this should give me at least 15 seasons without retiring :D

You know I dont really care about the same Names? Just use your imagination. Maybe you can change the names only. Although I dont think it will be possible. But like I said if you use your imagination its not that hard for me. And if Zidane come bakc with the same appearance and stats that sucks indeed. But I hope it will not happen that often, only once in 7 seasons or some? And I hope its gonna happen in the 7th season then, cause i dont play ML longer then 4 years I guess. :)
But if Zidane comes back as a Defender I dont have a problem with it really, I care more about the amount of boots. :):)

Well I will change the age for all players to the lowest possible setting before playing, this should give me at least 15 seasons without retiring :D

This is ofcourse a witty comment, cause you know you cant edit players for ML...

[Cristiano!]

If Zidane comes back at all then it completely removes the point of the player retiring in the first place.

What a load of horse shit :( we shouldnt be arguing right now, it should be a time of excitement. But why do Konami release news like this which puts a downer on everything. Do they even ask the fans whether they would like such and such a feature, or do they just throw it in and see what happens, from the looks of it, I'd go very much with the latter.

[GFK]

Yes thats true, but you will never get the same Zidane again. Its always a suprise how the new Zidane is going to develop, maybe it will be a shit player...

[Mez]

Why don't they do what CM of past used to do and mix retired players names. Roy Keane and Zidane retire.

New players:

Zindene Keane
Roy Zidane

[larsson]

This is ofcourse a witty comment, cause you know you cant edit players for ML...

No, you can, just not with the ingame editor possibly, if you change it on the PC and then burn to DVD then the things from the DVD will be loaded. Think about it. Plus no one said you can´t change the players appearance and age for the ML, just the stats.


Ok, the system ain't great but what can we do now? Nothing. I'm just trying to look at the positive side of things and learn to live with it...

Yeah, and we´re doing the same, but we don´t see any positive aspects in this feature, and this thread is dedicated to discussions about the news, so it´s ok to post everything which comes into your mind about it.

[GFK]

Yes that has been mentioned several times, its indeed very simple but also effective..
Its the solution to this problem, but he Konami is one of the strangiest companies I know...,

[Cristiano!]

Yes that has been mentioned several times, its indeed very simple but also effective..
Its the solution to this problem, but he Konami is one of the strangiest companies I know...,

I agree with you there. :D

[Lami]

yea but whats the point of generating new players that are fake if all we moan about is real names and real teams and real players and so on. cmon guys live with it :D

[Cristiano!]

yea but whats the point of generating new players that are fake if all we moan about is real names and real teams and real players and so on. cmon guys live with it

Pff for crying out loud, thats not the point is it, at least not in my view. The reason we like real names and real teams is because it offers a sense of realism which enhances the enjoyement we receive from the game. Now - to have players that retire and then come back with the same name, appearance etc. is just completely unrealistic and a logical impossibility. Where as, like championship manager, when new "made up" players arrive, at least it is realistic in the sense we can imagine them to be new players that have emerged from the youth system and so on.

Another big point people have failed to mention is, half the fun of players retiring and new players coming into the game, like CM - is scouting and finding promising "re-gens" who you nurture into good players in the future. If the retired players are just coming back exactly the same, and there is no evidence to suggest that won't be the case, the only evidence suggests that this will be the case, meaning we will already know who the good "re-gens" are going to be due to their name. For example if we go into the free players list and see the regen of Zidane, one is going to immediately approach that player as we know they are going to be skilled players. Where as if new players replace retired players with different stats and appearances, it adds a whole new dimension to the game and a huge challenge in building your squad not just for the short term but for the long term as well.

Some of you guys either need play champ man for a few seasons, get your heads screwed on or stop blowing smoke up Konamis ass the whole time. Yes they have made a great game, but that isn't going to stop me from moaning when they make a complete fuck up.

As someone, totally correctly said, this thread is to DISCUSS the NEWS - it doesnt say "praise konami even if they decide to introduce a crap new feature". In my opinion something like this could ruin the master league game, especially if we are going to be forced to use Konamis often inaccurate and poorly researched data and appearances.

[Lami]

long post there Cristiano, sorry to say this mate but, we haven't seen or played the game yet have we? that's my main point. until now i think Konami is releasing something good. trying to be as positive as i can coz thats what Konami got me used to. You can say whatever you want mate, but don't you realise that were making a big deal out of nothing? i guess we should wait until the game is out then everything would be crystal clear. Then based on that, we can start praising or firing at Konami ;)

[jumbo]

Why don't they do what CM of past used to do and mix retired players names. Roy Keane and Zidane retire.

New players:

Zindene Keane
Roy Zidane

Well, you have to remember - something I think you all are forgetting about - KONAMI doesn't use first names, only last names.

I know some patches, such as X-Patch, have for exp. Zidane Z., Del Piero A., Saviola J.P.

but KONAMI doesn't do it that way. They only use last names.

[larsson]

You don´t need the game to rate this feature, it´s clearly in front of you, that´s how it will look in the game, not different. No one is saying this game will be crap, it´s just this feature, I´m sure this game will be great, and I like most of the additions. I´ve praised Konami already for the new licenses, for more teams, for gameplay improvements which will be in there for sure, although I haven´t played this game yet. But I have also the right to critisize what I don´t like. I don´t think anyone is making a big deal out of sth, this here is just a forum where we post our opinions. Either positive or negative. That´s all.

EDIT: This is a reply to the post of Lami
You´re right Jumbo, they haven´t used first names so far, unless there are more players with the same name. And I don´t think this will change in WE8.

[Mez]

Well, you have to remember - something I think you all are forgetting about - KONAMI doesn't use first names, only last names.

I know some patches, such as X-Patch, have for exp. Zidane Z., Del Piero A., Saviola J.P.

but KONAMI doesn't do it that way. They only use last names.

Yeah, I only thought about that after I posted. I still think if there was a bank of say 200 names, which could be picked randomly with a random letter generator picking an initial in front of the name, this would create some slight individuality.

[Lami]

yea i know what ya mean man, thats why i'm posting my opinion too :) that reflects how i think. the thing is, were not so sure how the implementation of retiring/regenerating would be. incase of regenrating, for example Zidane, as a promising youth talented player with the same default stats Zidane has then that would be shit. but incase his stats were low and were supposed to help him become a superstar then i like the idea :)

EDIT: This is a reply to the post of Larsson ;)

[Badgerman]

Sounds pretty much like CM.

Where quite a lot of today's players can be cast into obscurity for many a year.

I'm not too bothered though.

I think we can all be confident that konami aren't going to release PES3 in a new box.

Konami have rarely seriously disappointed us (with some people moaning at PES2)

keep the faith and the magicnuss will be fulfillingness.

[t1000v2.0]

But it still all comes down to the fact that when zidane does come back he'll be as old as the rooneys and ronaldos who if zidane comes back with crap stats are gonna be better than him, they'll be other players who will be better than him who if compared to pre retirement zidane were no where near him..then you'll see other players, probably older (unrealistic) with better stats (unrealistic) and just the whole idea is just....nuts!! nuts I tells ya!! It just becomes a fantasy football type thing, and I thought konami were trying to get away from this kind of thing, hence the implementation of kits, licenses, stadia etc...then they do something which is heading back to fiction again. If players retire in the master league so be it, to make it more realistic, just have made up players available like in pes3. Ok they have fake names but imagine them to be the next big stars, we'd get used to it. I think that would be better.

[jamez]

Personally i agree 100% with the opinions of cristiano! and t1000v2.0. The methods of regenerating players that they have suggested are the same as my ideas on this, and are more logical and would create more realism.

I know that Lami said you should use your imagination on this issue, but i'm afraid my imagination doesn't stetch this far. Lets face it, this feature is sounding pretty crap.

[Cyrax]

Tss, I totally agree with C. Ronaldo.... Good heaven, its a stupid move from Konami.... The feature doesnt sound to me that it will bring PES to a higher level, maybe even takes it down...... Till a while ago I only heard features and so that made me a happy man... This makes me a little sad....

[Lami]

But it still all comes down to the fact that when zidane does come back he'll be as old as the rooneys and ronaldos who if zidane comes back with crap stats are gonna be better than him, they'll be other players who will be better than him who if compared to pre retirement zidane were no where near him..then you'll see other players, probably older (unrealistic) with better stats (unrealistic) and just the whole idea is just....nuts!! nuts I tells ya!! It just becomes a fantasy football type thing, and I thought konami were trying to get away from this kind of thing, hence the implementation of kits, licenses, stadia etc...then they do something which is heading back to fiction again. If players retire in the master league so be it, to make it more realistic, just have made up players available like in pes3. Ok they have fake names but imagine them to be the next big stars, we'd get used to it. I think that would be better.
hmmmmm... what if zidane were to retire at age of 38 for example, and now hes 30? lets say hes 30, so that gives us 8 seasons till he retires. maybe his stats would drop according to his age. after those 8 seasons, Rooney would be aroud 26, right? hmmm, then Konami says retired players come back after a couple of seasons, which would maybe mean that Zidane comes back after about 2 seasons of his retirement as a youth player, prolly 16? by then Rooney is 28, hehe. now u have to improve Zidane by training. which would take couple of seasons ofcourse ;) (well i hope so) so when Zidane is about 18-19 hes a promising talented youth :) well i hope it works that way. it aint that bad :) it's sort of fun. maybe japanese implemented regeneration of retired players coz they believe that dead people are reborn but with different looks? :rolleyes:

[t1000v2.0]

Wait a min, i see your point, but thats worse!!! Rooney will be much older than Zidane!!!! LOL now its becoming comical. It will all be back to front after a few seasons think about it!! all those retired players will be younger than those that were young when the zidanes were in their prime then the tables are turned and its all reverse!! come on, can anyone see how that makes sense??

[Lami]

ah well, call it a football life cycle :D

[t1000v2.0]

A football life cycle!! LOL yes professor!! we understand clearly now..hehe, how i ever doubted those intelligent people at konami, as they have something to rival Fifa in the gimmick stakes, introducing the new player life cycle system (double trademarked!!)

[Ports7]

But will Rooney's appearance change as he ages or will he keep his chubby baby-face even into his 30s??? (Speaking of which, is it just me or is little Wayne's voice still changing? hehe) Also, when Zidane re-appears as a 16-year-old prodigy, will he have a full head of hair? Did he ever have hair???

And what's with footballers losing their hair so young? Poor old Gary Doherty. Looks 20 years older than he is.

[Lami]

lol... i seriously dont know man... i hope Zidane comes back with hair lol. i guess i'll just wait til the game is out. i hope its all good. i just wana play somethin new coz im bored of we7 :p

[dorval]

Wait a min, i see your point, but thats worse!!! Rooney will be much older than Zidane!!!! LOL now its becoming comical. It will all be back to front after a few seasons think about it!! all those retired players will be younger than those that were young when the zidanes were in their prime then the tables are turned and its all reverse!! come on, can anyone see how that makes sense??

hmm...what if there's a regen player who's called...Didier Gepardieu or something...and he's zidane...but you don't know it...maybe he's black and has long hair like davids...but has the potential to become zidane!that's cool because it's a different player...and he's got the possibility to be like zidane....or not...if you play him in your ML team for example as CMF he might not improve as well as if you played as OMF and may never become as good as zidane....see what i mean???
if konami does the regenaration thingy like this i'll surely like it!

[jamez]

hmm...what if there's a regen player who's called...Didier Gepardieu or something...and he's zidane...but you don't know it...maybe he's black and has long hair like davids...but has the potential to become zidane!that's cool because it's a different player...and he's got the possibility to be like zidane....or not...if you play him in your ML team for example as CMF he might not improve as well as if you played as OMF and may never become as good as zidane....see what i mean???
if konami does the regenaration thingy like this i'll surely like it!

I believe this is the way it should be done. Keeps things fresh.

[dorval]

hmm nice to see someone who shares the same ideas!

[Cristiano!]

Thats what I've been saying all along!!!

You could in theory therefore, have a 30 year old Rooney, and an 18 year old Zidane playing in the same team. Does anyone have the imagination to put up with that? I don't think my 9 year old sister can have such a wild imagination as to see this as acceptable, hell - players with infinite life spans like right now is more acceptable than that. At least everything is in equilibrium - this idea is simply farcical!! And im truly shocked anyone can sit here and say that they are happy with such a feature.

@ Lami : you are right to say we shouldnt write the game off before we have played it, but please understand this is simple reaction to news released by Konami. And to be honest they have made this feature pretty clear and therefore it is something we can discuss in more detail as we pretty much know its going to be in there.

Lets just hope in all our hearts that the person who translated that mis-translated it and we've all got the wrong end of the stick. However I wouldn't put it past Konami to come up with a shitty idea like this.

[t1000v2.0]

You see, thats whats been bugging me, rooney and zidane in the same team yet rooney is older...does it get any dumber!!?? would love to hear what the peeps that back this idea have to say, hehe...Jumbo me old mate, still think the idea is good? lol

also yeah, hope its a mis-translation i really do....or maybe i've just been haviong nightmares and none of this is true!! hehe.

[Alberto Tomba]

Again video/videos would be nice :(

[jumbo]

Jumbo me old mate, still think the idea is good?

Absolutely. It's just a video game, I know this stuff ain't real so it won't be bugging me at all...

That stuff doesn't matter to me at all.

When deciding who I want to play, I won't be looking at names - It won't matter to me if I have an 18yo Zidane playing behind 30yo Rooney. I'll be looking at stats.

All it takes is a bit of an imagination.

In fact, I can't wait to try the new system out. I'm excited as hell.

:cool: :D :)

[hunterk0]

They'll probably bring zidane back with a name like martin zidane for example instead of zinedine if u know what I mean, and u could just pretend like it could be his son or something like that. It does'nt really bother me, nuthing to worry about. The main thing they need to work on is editing coz I dunno about all of u, but my fave thing do is editing in the game. I just hope they dont lose the good gameplay as it is well better than Fifa (e.g 100mph blasts from the half-way line). I think Konami are starting to work on the other stuff like editing and licences for kits etc coz they've got the best gameplay for a football game even though some stuff could be better and all they need now is the smaller things like the licenced kits n that and it would be the complete game that not even Fifa could rival.

[larsson]

There won´t be a Martin Zidane or Wayne Zidane or whatever as, like jumbo said before, Konami doesn´t use first names. I´m also getting more and more excited about the game, and I can´t wait to test the new features.

[jumbo]

Time to start working on that Option File for WE7... The more names I translate, the easier it'll be to get started with playing WE8. :D :D :D

[Cristiano!]

Absolutely. It's just a video game, I know this stuff ain't real so it won't be bugging me at all...

That stuff doesn't matter to me at all.

When deciding who I want to play, I won't be looking at names - It won't matter to me if I have an 18yo Zidane playing behind 30yo Rooney. I'll be looking at stats.

All it takes is a bit of an imagination.

In fact, I can't wait to try the new system out. I'm excited as hell.

:cool: :D :)

I'd love to have your imagination then :D

I wonder how different the menu system will be guys, imagine we get the game, load it up - and can't even find how to start a match up :)

[jumbo]

Appereantly, the menus are getting a huge make over.

They'll be silver/bluish... Something a bit more modern. Like GT4P, etc.

At least, that's what we saw in the pics...

[dannyboy20]

I've just been browsing the Japanese forum. I translated this bit of news.

* 6 Star Difficulty in WE shop costs 1500 WEN
* Added time length will appear in the top left of the screen (i think)
* Loading time is about 5-10 seconds from tourament setup screen to game.

[wixon]

I'd love to have your imagination then :D

I wonder how different the menu system will be guys, imagine we get the game, load it up - and can't even find how to start a match up :)

when we7 came out i think zyg and some of the guys over at evo-web did a translation of the menu screens pretty much as soon as the game was released so the translation wasn't much of a problem. Although the transfer options were hard to understand. maybe the same will happen this year before a translated patch is released.

[BazHilder]

I've just been browsing the Japanese forum. I translated this bit of news.

* 6 Star Difficulty in WE shop costs 1500 WEN
* Added time length will appear in the top left of the screen (i think)
* Loading time is about 5-10 seconds from tourament setup screen to game.

The added time thing is gonna be a great addition, presumably they won't say stoppage time anymore, it'll carry on past 90mins?

[dannyboy20]

when we7 came out i think zyg and some of the guys over at evo-web did a translation of the menu screens pretty much as soon as the game was released so the translation wasn't much of a problem. Although the transfer options were hard to understand. maybe the same will happen this year before a translated patch is released.

Yeah i wrote a transfer guide not long after release. That's still a sticky in a couple of forums i've been on lol.

It won't be that hard to understand the menu's. They have changed quite a lot by the looks of things so it will take some getting use to.

[jamez]

Appereantly, the menus are getting a huge make over.

They'll be silver/bluish... Something a bit more modern. Like GT4P, etc.

At least, that's what we saw in the pics...

Thats good news, previous versions were quite dark, dull and depressing in this department. All Konami needs to do now is lose the japanese techno in favour of some more tolerable menu music (like FIFA does).

[dom1213]

does anyone think it would be good if pro evo 4 and we8 got real music like rap and dance and pop music to listen to on the menu screens and on edit mode

[GFK]

I really dont care about that, I always change that myself.

[t1000v2.0]

yeah a revamp of the music is overdue now i think.

[jag87]

The music is the least important factor of the game for me. Like GFK said, we always change it ourselves.

[dom1213]

yeah but some people can't some people dont want to use patches they should start off with good music fifa does and pro evo's 10x better its about time they got some

[dorval]

i think that the music factor is irrelevant

[mrtn]

hmm...
I think the techno-crap they've had is f**king annoying!!
agree with dom1213 there...but I would prefer some good rock instead of rap and dance music!!

I know I'm dreaming...

[ratty123]

just wondering

has anything been said about improved a.i i.e more balanced according to the strength of the team rather than being completely defensive? increased difficulty? improved shooting animations? improved goalkeeping?

[Alberto Tomba]

I've just been browsing the Japanese forum. I translated this bit of news.

* 6 Star Difficulty in WE shop costs 1500 WEN
* Added time length will appear in the top left of the screen (i think)
* Loading time is about 5-10 seconds from tourament setup screen to game.

Loading time is about 5-10 seconds from tournament setup screen to start!

OHH IS THAT good news! :)

[dorval]

just wondering

has anything been said about improved a.i i.e more balanced according to the strength of the team rather than being completely defensive? increased difficulty? improved shooting animations? improved goalkeeping?

check this out ratty:

http://forum.pesinsight.com/showthread.php?t=9756

[RonaldoFenomeno]

Do i see it wrong, or have Cassano an ear-ring??

http://www.wearepes.com/~kaiwai/WE8/Visages2.jpg

[BazHilder]

It does look like it but surely if anyone was gonna have any beckham would have those awful ones that take up half his head. Probably just a graphical glitch.

[rkinder]

The music is crap, we know it. But it really is one of the least important faults with the game. I just turn it off. I hope they at least get rid of the tradtitional "new remix" of the original PES music, because it sucks. But I'd rather see the commentary get better. Again, i personally don't see that as the key bit of the game. I'd rather have licenses.

It would be nice to see it change for the better in every department, but if it delivers where it really counts - gameplay - I wil be more than happy with rubbish music, poor commentary, crap menus and even lacking many licenses. Oh, I'd like to see a bit of graphical improvement, correct team rosters, correct names - thats also quite important. But as for music, i don't care.

[rkinder]

PS - and im sure a lot of that stuff definately is comin from what we've seen. I'm glad the graphics are getting a bit better.

Beckham actually looks like Beckham now, thats good - in PES 3 i thought he was one of the weakest big name representations. Nedved also looks stunning in thos game! That screenshot of him with the ball against.. parma? Whoever - it looks well good!

[Alberto Tomba]

Today is June 19th and still no videos. Just some reg. commercial with Zico telling him "look at my first touch system" and one vid off of Konami's "news" site that showed a bunch of "more lucky then us" people playing for a free WE8 before release. II really wanted to see vids because a pre-order is on mere faith that it will be good. imagine we see the vids and they look very similiar to WE7:I or something? By then we'd be getting the game shipped and be totally miffed.

[RonaldoFenomeno]

yeah the commercial you can see over here:

http://www.6ame.com/download/5/cm_we8.wmv

[dom1213]

is that zico in the commercial

[Gary G]

Yes it is, Konami are using him to spearhead their PR campaign for WE8

[ashmufc]

\Yea it is!

[Badgerman]

Today is June 19th and still no videos. Just some reg. commercial with Zico telling him "look at my first touch system" and one vid off of Konami's "news" site that showed a bunch of "more lucky then us" people playing for a free WE8 before release. II really wanted to see vids because a pre-order is on mere faith that it will be good. imagine we see the vids and they look very similiar to WE7:I or something? By then we'd be getting the game shipped and be totally miffed.


Faith sonneh.

You should know we don't have to worry about things like that anymore...

[Lami]

from that ad, i can't see any licence logos on the cover. check towards the end of the ad.

[dannyboy20]

Its because the advert was made months ago.

[larsson]

it´s a few months old and has been posted a long time ago, that´s why no licenses on the cover

EDIT: Danny you´re crazy fast :D

[Alberto Tomba]

Maybe Tuesday....

[Lami]

thanx for clearing things up for me :) i'm just hoping every info we translate isnt a scam. It's already makin me "sweat while waiting" coz i cant wait till its out! alright gota get back to studies :p

[ratty123]

just been told arsene wenger did a video for pes4, is this true, can anyone confirm?

[huggybear]

has n e 1 noticed that in the screens, dirt acumilation is only visible on the shorts and socks? can n e 1 confirm that the shirt also gets dirty? wud be lame if only the shorts and socks got dirty.

[Lami]

we can all confirm after we play it in 2 weeks ;)

[gerberoo]

has n e 1 noticed that in the screens, dirt acumilation is only visible on the shorts and socks? can n e 1 confirm that the shirt also gets dirty? wud be lame if only the shorts and socks got dirty.

if you actually played football once in a while you would know that very seldom does the jersey get dirty. if you slide tackle youre not doing it on your stomach and although the shirt sometimes touches the ground its primarily the socks that get dirty and sometimes the shorts.

[t1000v2.0]

Whooaa, this thread is creeping up to a hundred pages, I mean damn me!! this seems to be the hottest thread at the moment. Anyways back to game speculating and views, hehe....oh and knocking bad konami ideas. Yep agree with that, shirts rarely get dirty, maybe we'll see it more in wet conditions, i'm sure they are iimproved the weather effects right?

[Lami]

if you actually played football once in a while you would know that very seldom does the jersey get dirty. if you slide tackle youre not doing it on your stomach and although the shirt sometimes touches the ground its primarily the socks that get dirty and sometimes the shorts.
yea that makes sense. i hope they add more reality by showing us a very sweaty Zidane jersey :D lol that would make my day :p

[huggybear]

Originally Posted by gerberoo
if you actually played football once in a while you would know that very seldom does the jersey get dirty. if you slide tackle youre not doing it on your stomach and although the shirt sometimes touches the ground its primarily the socks that get dirty and sometimes the shorts.

excuse me, i play football all the time. i agree that the shirt does not get as dirty as the shirts or socks but trust me when i say, your shirt does get dirty in muddy conditions. if you played hard you would know coz you'd be sliding and doing n e thing 2 get the ball off the opposition. your probs jus a lazy footballer. well your probs not even a footballer. :p

[t1000v2.0]

Eh eh, no need to get personal fellas!! LOL i guess the shots that youve seen then were not in very muddy conditions, and could have been early on in the match, like very early on, so you'd hardly get THAT dirty unless the players decided to play mud wrestling and forget about the football.

[JACCOFF]

Anyone know whether or not WE8 will a multilangual support?

[t1000v2.0]

I doubt it, its for the japanese market.

[Mez]

I was wondering, do you have the ability with Zidane, by pressing R3 for example before a penalty to make him vomit?

:p

[t1000v2.0]

LOL Maybe Konami have implemented such a feature!!

[MattShez]

I think retired players comming back as young ones with different stats that increase as they age is great! It not only gives you variety but also means you need to get lucky and improve your scouting skills!

[rkinder]

Yeah - no doubt that part is good, but its the fact that they come back with the same names that seems a bit lax. And if they come back with the same name, and appearance - that would be a joke. Thats peoples thinking, and i agree.

[dorval]

about the we8 impressions that larsson posted...so the advantage rule is still stupid?that sucks i thought they were going to change it...apart from that the rest seem cool...the thing about differences in pace and acceleration seems very realistic and also the dribbling difficulty increase...eheh :D

oh and btw this is my 300th post ehhe :cool:

[Alberto Tomba]

Just read the impressions and you guys know me by now i'm all about the graphics/animations and stadium look. What he said didn't make me happy :|

[jumbo]

He didn't say anything we don't know already...

[Lami]

about the we8 impressions that larsson posted...so the advantage rule is still stupid?that sucks i thought they were going to change it...apart from that the rest seem cool...the thing about differences in pace and acceleration seems very realistic and also the dribbling difficulty increase...eheh :D

oh and btw this is my 300th post ehhe :cool:
theres a doubt about the advantage rule, it was already fixed in we7i, i play we7i and the advantage rule is great. im not sure what he meant by the advantage rule. i dont think konami would fix it in we7i, then ruin it in we8. i read somewhere that advantage rule is ever more enhanced. if u were given an advantage even though the tackle was harsh, the defender will be booked later. not enough info anyway. the crowds bit is good news.

[larsson]

yeah, but at least we know now that Konami hasn´t screwed it completely :D

[jumbo]

maybe they didn't mess up the advantage rule, maybe they just made it so that the ref makes mistakes just like in real life????????????

[Lami]

lol, the ref already makes many stupid mistakes. i hope they didnt make it worse! refs already get on my nerves.

[netbulger]

Does anybody know if the transfer and salary points system is finally becoming a cash system? I bet it doesn't cos konami won't be arsed about converting to different currencies, although they could tie that in to what language you choose at the start like PES3. It just makes it that bit more realistic.

[dorval]

the transfer mode should be improved!that's what i tell ya....the current transfer mode is shite...utter shite!sometimes we can't transfer players because there are no unregistered spaces in the team?wtf?chelsea has 1000000 players and then juve has 20 or so...makes no sense..

[wixon]

the transfer mode should be improved!that's what i tell ya....the current transfer mode is shite...utter shite!sometimes we can't transfer players because there are no unregistered spaces in the team?wtf?chelsea has 1000000 players and then juve has 20 or so...makes no sense..


Chelsea do have more players than Juve in real life though, hence the different squad sizes in the game.

[Cristiano!]

The first impression from that guy is most worry, dashing the same?!?!?! Impossible to catch up??? Man I don't want to be gloomy but that sounds shite :|

What about all the new passing system people were talking about where you can select different people, and the new crossing system, why hasn't he mentioned this?

Shit this is worrying, I've said all along we may of been expecting too much and to be honest it sounds like I Was right :|

[Lami]

i dont think dashing is worrying, its just adding more reality by showing the difference between fast and slow players. thats an improvement. plus i dont think he had enough time to explore in a 5 min game.

[stueyg]

i wud wait until 5th of august b4 we start makin judgements, at least then ppl have at leats played and explored the game for more than 5 mins, as it sed though he never played on PES3 or WE7:Interntional, so this guy cud of been a complete stranger to PES or WE, so he may not of een able to tell a lot of difference

[Travis Bickle]

The dashing sounds good, it does piss me off when you play Owen on the shoulder of defenders and sometimes he can't outrun Martin Keown. The money thing is the only thing I can't stand in pes3, I just can't relate the costs of players to each other with the stupid pes points!! And on the regeneration of retired players, doesn't sound to bad to me least you can say "he's the new Ronaldo" and actually have some basis for your arguement.

[Cristiano!]

Lol Travis.

The dashing sounds good, except for the fact its the same as PES3. Didnt they say there was new dashing style/moves/techniques.

The fact he says it is very similar to pes3 is what worries me.

[Itachi-san]

the thing that troubles me most is the heading. i dont want to be like vieri at euro 2004, missing most of the header or off target, man i hope heading will be a bit easier than it sounds in the review/impression

[larsson]

About the dash:
It IS changed a bit, however most people were worried that it would be like in FIFA, that you have to tap the button many times. That´s why he said "no need to worry about it, it´s similar to PES3". And I think that´s very good. Also the fact that defenders can´t catch strikers so easy is very positive, that´s the most annoying part of WE7:I. You run with Henry past Stepanovs (:D) and 3 seconds later the catches you. Bad stuff ;)
He hasn´t mentioned anything about passing system because he only played one macth, 5 mins. He had only time to check out a few things, he said he will try to gain more info next time.

[Itachi-san]

im glad to hear that. but when will he play another match and review it? i hope he plays a 30 min long match and write a fully in depth review/hands-on impression

[larsson]

he can´t play more than 5 mins as it´s in a game-store, you have to wait one hour or 2 and then you can play maybe 5 mins.

[dorval]

About the dash:
It IS changed a bit, however most people were worried that it would be like in FIFA, that you have to tap the button many times. That´s why he said "no need to worry about it, it´s similar to PES3". And I think that´s very good. Also the fact that defenders can´t catch strikers so easy is very positive, that´s the most annoying part of WE7:I. You run with Henry past Stepanovs (:D) and 3 seconds later the catches you. Bad stuff ;)
He hasn´t mentioned anything about passing system because he only played one macth, 5 mins. He had only time to check out a few things, he said he will try to gain more info next time.

how can't he had mentioned the passing system????what can you do in football without passing even in 5 minute matches????weird.... :confused:

[Itachi-san]

oh, so he playing the demo. damn that sucks. just 2 more weeks. we8 will rock the soccer gaming world

[Cristiano!]

Even in a 5 minute match you would be able to comment on the new crossing system, new passing system, new aerial through ball system, heading etc.

Good point about not being able to catch up, he made it sound like a negative aspect but I suppose it is actually a good thing, as long as it is the same against the AI and in 5 star mode players magically catch you up :| - although I'd put my house on that being the same in we8, because japs are japs they are used to making the AI cheat to make it harder.

No offence to the lad who played WE8, but I think my 9 year old sister could of made a more useful report than that. Some vague crappy post is not what we want...;[

[larsson]

how can't he had mentioned the passing system????what can you do in football without passing even in 5 minute matches????weird.... :confused:

So I assume you´re able to find out any new features in the game after 5 mins ? ;)
Please think logical, the passing system hasn´t changed that much, maybe he always only used :x:, I didn´t know how he plays usually, but 5 minutes are not enough to find everything out about the new system

[Itachi-san]

No offence to the lad who played WE8, but I think my 9 year old sister could of made a more useful report than that. Some vague crappy post is not what we want...;[

maybe he was just too into to it to notice much change in the passing system, but his review was not vague. it sounded quite informative. lets see you make a review/hands-on impression of WE8.

[rkinder]

Wixon, thats a stupid comment. OK, the set squad size is fine, that Chelseas is bigger than Juve for example. BUT its really annoying when you can't just ADD a new player to a squad when editing, its like.. replace or nothing, if I recall. or swap. I think thats what people mean. As a point - I tried to make my local team over someone or other and had to exclude about 5 players because I couldn't register them - and even though I'd created them etc another time, some payers wouldn;'t show up on the roster. Its this kind of thing that was annoying - you cant whholesale edit. Another examnple - once a player is already created, you cant edit him and change his nationality, right? That really annoyed me, because you created your team but couldnt then register them for england for example, as there werent enough english players in the team before so the edited one had to end up french or sometihng.

Dashing - I totally agree that PES 3 was lacking in this area - its great to have different speeds as its an integral part of the game, but it IS stupid when Henry, Owen, other quick less known players like Southamptons Pahars and so on can't burst past someone, or if they get caught up by Keown or Henchoz for example just ebcause they have the ball. It simply isnt like that. Its a thin line between too mch emphasis on pace and not enough of course. But it should make a difference on the ball as well as off it.

Any news on the Premiership? GRR

[Lami]

well guys according to his post, he was playin against someone who wasnt giving him any chance to explore. eventually, he was defending throughout the game and scored from a corner kick, and thats about it. that should be obvious as why he couldnt have a better chance of exploring things.

[dannyboy20]

First gameplay video i believe. Downloading now :)

http://2st.dip.jp/uploader/src/up2234.mpg

Mirror here (thx to driv3r at evo-web):

http://www.users.skynet.be/fa201736/we8.mpeg

[rkinder]

Also - Giangtr - heading a ball in real life effectively is quite hard in some ways. Sure, defensive headers are easy enough, and your standard glancing and redirectional ones. But a truly great header, running in and rocketing it in, takes a massive degree of timing, vision, bravery and so on. And a lot of players in real games go for headers and mis them. I think headers should maybe be a bit more difficult to contact than they have been so far, but equally less automatic - as in if you DO get the run and or positioning right, it'll be great - like shooting. OK, its good already, what with the heading being positionally based also - easy enough to get on target but harder with pace and so on. Im not dissing it - it is good already. I just dont think it'll be the end of the world or unrealisitic if it gets a tad harder. It'll just make it all the sweeter when you plant one right down into the bottom corner, or get up and smash a cross home with your big centre forward - or just timing your run to perfection with the small guy!



As long as they havent totally knackered it, which it sounds like they haven't - I already know I'll love it. OK, I was always going to get it no matter what. But Im so pleased it is at least looking like an improvement. Any improvement on PES3 is going to be pretty special whatever, huh?

[Badgerman]

GAMEPLAY MOVIE AKJBFSIOBFPSFIOSDGOIASFGFIO

yay

[Badgerman]

Oooh, new menu bars, yus.

[matrix808]

gameplay movie on evo-web,

[Lami]

just checked it, it looks like we7i to me, but with improvements

[dannyboy20]

I posted further up matrix

Just watched it. Free kicks look class. Especially the one where the player runs over the ball Slide tackles look improved. Main Menu looks alot better too

[Lami]

u seen the header?? sweeeeeeeeet!!!

[rkinder]

Lami - what else were we expcting :)

[Badgerman]

dannyboy needs some sleep, seriously, he's searching day and night.

Anyhoot danneh, we salute you

You desurve a badgur medal.

[dannyboy20]

lol thank the lads over at evo-web for this one, i haven't long got back and that was just posted on there :)

[matrix808]

sorry overexcited, i think its absolute cl\ass

[Lami]

i dont know man, im expecting a lot! but i just love that header! now thats new

[Itachi-san]

man the menus look so cool, the gameplay looks alot better and the animations are class. damn cant wait to have it in my ps2, on my 32" tv and projecting 500watts out of my sony dream system

[bostero]

we know that england and Brazil are going to be in the game

[Eric88]

Well, the video shows almost nothing :(

[rkinder]

yeah lami, I was joking. My expectations are SO high as well - its hard! But equally Im trying not to expect much so it'll be al the better.. but christ, now all this is looking good, Im going to s*x wee, I swear!!

If he exists:

GOD BLESS KONAMI

I have tears in my eyes.

[Itachi-san]

Well, the video shows almost nothing :(

well is it because you cant understand japanese? or you havent download the video because from my perspective, there were lots of new stuff revealed. like the free kick fakes and the cool header

[bostero]

What A Free Kicks
And Header
And........................... .............................. ..............lots

[Lami]

by the way, that menu in the clip proves the new crossing system, i just read it. u can use direction pad to choose where to cross the ball! i swear i read it lol! yes i do understand some japanese. i hope this makes some people happy :D but something i didnt understand though, it says something about the R2 button for centering.... not sure how thats done... but oh well :D

[bostero]

it look like it doesn't start ther, i mean the first title is point 4 and as far as i know it shouldn't start at point 1

[Itachi-san]

What A Free Kicks
And Header
And........................... .............................. ..............lots

didnt you see the beck FK, and the header by the english player. and the feints that beckham did.

[dannyboy20]

Yeah Lami, there's 9 directions you can use when crossing. Don't move the dpad and cross it will go to the penalty spot. Move the dpad towards the goal and it will go in that direction...etc

[Ogopa Djz]

Hey someone look over the part where becks takes the FK has the status bar been blurred out or is it me. Apart from that it looks sweet. The edit mode looks deep.

[bostero]

about the movement of Beckham, it doesn't seems like him, or is it me, it's not a complain but the have mentioned something about it

[mrtn]

Oh man, it's looking good!
Unfortunately, I still must wait at least 3 months...
But please, show me some more video-clips!!

Yllah..

[cduin]

1 more thing, look at the winning eleven team....no clublogo on the shirt!
You can take it off finally!

[Lami]

Hey someone look over the part where becks takes the FK has the status bar been blurred out or is it me. Apart from that it looks sweet. The edit mode looks deep.
it is sorta blurred. maybe coz the cam is too close to the tv?

[Lami]

1 more thing, look at the winning eleven team....no clublogo on the shirt!
You can take it off finally!
errr, u can do that in previous versions too mate

[cduin]

errr, u can do that in previous versions too mate

Oh yeah, im too exited to think clearly, and its 1.30 at night here
, sorry!

[dannyboy20]

I noticed the status bars blurred too. I dont think its because the cam is too close though because everything else in the video around that part is fine....

[mrtn]

Did you notice the new passing-system in point 5?
That will be a huge improvement!

[Lami]

Oh yeah, im too exited to think clearly, and its 1.30 at night here
, sorry!
lol its fine mate no need to b sorry hehe i totally understand ;) whatever u see will make u have multiple orgasms lol

[cduin]

I noticed the status bars blurred too. I dont think its because the cam is too close though because everything else in the video around that part is fine....

Maybe konami did it because it is a promotion video.

[Ogopa Djz]

Maybe konami did it because it is a promotion video.

Jus like konami.Keeping us guessing. I also like how the implemented Graphics. Instead of jus seeing training mode you got cones and stuff. Nice addition.

[dannyboy20]

I guess so cduin, I dont see a reason why they should though? :\

[rkinder]

oh GOD this is going to be so good. That header is fantastic. I am going to do what that japanese guy did and play it and forget to eat for days until I die. :D

[dorval]

looks great!promising very promising!!nice player animations!nice stains on Kaka's shorts!!!and brilliant english header!!!!damn i'm excited!

[Itachi-san]

good luck rkinder, i guess its the only way to show your appreciation to the game and the sport. LOL :D

[Lami]

i guess Konami made it more "user-friendly" this time for new comers.

[Itachi-san]

i guess Konami made it more "user-friendly" this time for new comers.

definitely, the menus practically teaches the new player everything. plus there are actual video guides

[dorval]

the menus are very fifa style...at least from the fifas that i remember...but we8 ones are much nicer!!!!

[Itachi-san]

fifa style? really? i thought fifa have menus like old WE6. which fifa are you saying.

[dorval]

i don't know....lol it reminded me of fifa since it is brighter...lolo.....like fifa 99,00,01..it's one in the morning...i can't say anything right...but i guess it's that

[Itachi-san]

fifa menus are just little headlines that you scroll down. it never will look like the new WE8 one. NEVER

[Harry-Kewell]

Brilliant!

The way Beckham does that skill with his foot over the ball looks great, and so does the manner in which he cuts back very quickly and delivers that cross to Gerrard. Gerrard’s technique for that header looks amazing. I also noticed that pass, the one which I read about, where the longer you hold the pass button, the further the ball goes, that’s a nice addition.

I wonder how many alternative methods there are when taking a free-kick.

[Cristiano!]

OH MY FUCKING LIFE!! I've just read all that reaction and can't download the video..the link isnt working..ahhhhhhhhhhhh!

[Leedinho Totti]

Gerrard's dummy for the first freekick is so pointless and crap, he's foolin' no 1...pointless konami, it might make the replay look a bit better but otherwise pointless

[Itachi-san]

i hope there will be the one where the player runs toward the ball but then he just go over the ball leaving the player stand next to the ball to hit the FK. and the one where the players runs towards the ball and back heels it back for a powerful FK. oh please let those features be in there

[Cristiano!]

Ahh thank heavens its downloading.

This better be good after you lot wet your bloody knickers, if not its rant time. :|

[RonaldoFenomeno]

Damnnn lookz fine....!!!

I hope the commentar will be better...that's one of the negative points from the PES versions...don't u think??

and it looks like u can choose Adidas kit for custom teams or for example Newcastle??? look at the movie where u can see WE United play...1 of the teams has Red/Black kits...with Adidas stripes???????? or do i see it wrong...

[Itachi-san]

Ahh thank heavens its downloading.

This better be good after you lot wet your bloody knickers, if not its rant time. :|
its not that good in quality but its good enough for most of the ppls. its has cool new stuff.

[Cristiano!]

Watched it. Looks very nice, except the fluorescent green carpet for a pitch. And is it me or was it all MEGA fast? I hope that was in fast motion.

The passing does look good, point 5 showed a player using the outside of his right boot to curl a pass across the pitch. The crossing looked quite good and the header did look good.

Shame they couldn't just show a decent game play video without all the chopping of angles and shit.

Its a start though, great appetite wetter :D

[Itachi-san]

i bet there will be more videos to come at the end of July or even next week. man this is giving me nightmares.LOL :D

[ezio]

definitely, the menus practically teaches the new player everything. plus there are actual video guides

Yeah the Menu's are nice. At least we won't have to worry too much about figuring them out initally. One question though will they actually have the English text like they did in the video?

Ezio

[Badgerman]

Hahaha, gotta love how we all clamber over a piddly video clip.

[larsson]

they didn´t have English text on the video, except the main menu, like always

[Flipper the Priest]

Bar a couple of new tricks and the free-kicks, the vid may as well be PES3.

[Itachi-san]

i wonder, are they gonna release an international version like 5 months after the release of the regular one. because rumors say konami have a new soccer game every 5 months

[Cristiano!]

Watching it again, Id have to agree with Flipper.

NOTHING to be excited about, complete over reaction. I think we wanted a gameplay video so bad, they could of released a trout fishing tutorial and we still would of gone bananas.

Didn't impress me at all. And to see they've still got the carpet pitch and brick wall nets just pisses me off, especially when they've had a chance to see what FK has done and try and work to improve WE8 to that standard.

No new exciting animations, that Beckham move looked like he was doing the fucking waltz, when do you see players play hopskotch in the middle of a football match? When do you see Sol Campbell doing roulette 360's to perfection in the middle of his own half.

Also, If you look carefully the goalkeeper dive looked as SHITE as ever, instead of making a full stretch one handed dive for a cross goal attempt like in real life, hes made some south american style double backflip cartwheel attempt to save the ball.

Added to that the whole thing seems like its in hyper motion, also there is one pass shown in normal camera view that goes across the pitch, it looks so fake its unbelievable, look at the guy who makes the pass, he looks like he breaks his ankle as he makes that pass.

Overall, extremely dissapointing. I like many others got a bit carried away and didn't study the video properly. Many many negatives and not many positives to be honest, quite frankly disturbing thats all we've got to see and its less than 3 weeks away.

[Alberto Tomba]

Ok from watching that one side-angle view video i can easily see where the game has been taken. It seems to me that they are edging closer and closer every year to the beginning FMV graphics. Though not there at all, it's amazing to see what the ragged PS2 hardware can still pull off. The stadium looks grand. The player models/animations look very WE stylized now. And the overall gameplay looks to be edging more toward (again) the fmv opening sequence's fluidity. I haven't had the chance to play the Japanese version ofWE7:International, but really see the difference between WE7/PES3 and the Us's WE7:I. It just seems more polished and fluid. Yeah the grass looks like carpet chew,but I'll let the fellas at Namco quench my fetishs for that. But WE8 really looks better than any other WE series game so far. Now how long before Aug 6th? *decides to sleep for the next couple of weeks*

Wake me up when it's time UPS!

[jumbo]

+ Graphics = GOD

- Gameplay = SHlT

?????????????????

[Itachi-san]

damn, i didnt know you guys hate the gameplay so much. man cut konami some slacks

[larsson]

Nothing great in this video. Also nothing to worry about, I´m sure it will be better than WE7.

[jumbo]

Man, KONAMI's gotta be fuckin me...

They're movin onto a DVD and only 20% new animations? That means I'll be playing the same shit over again?

OK, we saw one new header animation, new dribble, new cross style and wtf?

It took'em 1 year to add that + 5 new stadiums and 70 teams?

You've got to be fuckin me, pardon the language...................... ......

Man, I'll be pissed....

I bet they just took WE7IJ and simply started making WE8 from that..

I was expecting so much more... it's my fault.

[Itachi-san]

hey, calm down. there hasnt been any other video yet so dont cut to conclusions so early. just wait a little more and the truth will anwser all of our questions and maybe needs/wants, MAYBE.

[jumbo]

Man, I still have hope...

[Itachi-san]

thats good to hear jumbo, cuz if you give up on WE, there would be no other soccer games for you. unless you want to play gay ass fifa.

[jumbo]

Right.

Ok, I'm takin that stuff back but I'm still a bit dissapointed with KONAMI...........

[Fisherman]

You can tell its PS2,

[jumbo]

:rolleyes:

Pretty dumb comment. The graphics are a lot better than in WE7.

[Itachi-san]

You can tell its PS2,

what are you trying to get across.

[Alberto Tomba]

:rolleyes:

Pretty dumb comment. The graphics are a lot better than in WE7.



AGREED

[Cristiano!]

Look at the game when it shows the normal camera view, its exactly the same except faster.

There is still hope, but nothing to get excited over yet I'm afraid. You can't help but feel dissapointed, even those praising that little video I'm sure would of been expecting more.

When will they learn football matches aren't played on carpets :(

[Itachi-san]

im not that disappoint like you cristiano, at least we got a look at what most of us will buy/own. are you still going to buy it after what you saw?

[Cristiano!]

Probably not, unless they provide some proper gameplay videos. I'll probably download it and if its up to scratch (and by that I mean evidence of a years worth of development) then I'll order the game. If not then I'll play with a downloaded version and keep my pennies to myself, if they haven't put the effort in they don't deserve it tbh.

[Itachi-san]

whoa, whoa. better keep the download stuff on the *download. you dont want any of the admins to hear it. and remember, no warez mentioning or discussing. better watch out man.

[Cristiano!]

Straight talking mate, you asked me a question I answered. :)

[Itachi-san]

i agree with you, but some of the admins are very picky and i dont want you being sent off because you anwsered my question with honesty

[Polter2k]

Man, KONAMI's gotta be fuckin me...

They're movin onto a DVD and only 20% new animations? That means I'll be playing the same shit over again?

OK, we saw one new header animation, new dribble, new cross style and wtf?

It took'em 1 year to add that + 5 new stadiums and 70 teams?

You've got to be fuckin me, pardon the language...................... ......

Man, I'll be pissed....

I bet they just took WE7IJ and simply started making WE8 from that..

I was expecting so much more... it's my fault.

I do not agree with you... You cannot judge the gameplay of this game by 2 minutes of video in where they are only single views of the potential of this game. The last year the same history... a video between Korea and Japan and don`t see nothing special... but when play the game... all change... is the same ALL the YEARS... and i see the same opinions again all the time...

First PLAY the game... and no a 5 minutes... or only one day... play the game so much and then you see if are or not dissapointed with KONAMI.

I bet to say: WE8 is a better game between all of the games of serie WE... you see in a few days more... ;)

I only can say... THXS KONAMI AGAIN!!!!

See you
Polter2k

[Itachi-san]

I do not agree with you... You cannot judge the gameplay of this game by 2 minutes of video in where they are only single views of the potential of this game. The last year the same history... a video between Korea and Japan and don`t see nothing special... but when play the game... all change... is the same ALL the YEARS... and i see the same opinions again all the time...

First PLAY the game... and no a 5 minutes... or only one day... play the game so much and then you see if are or not dissapointed with KONAMI.

I bet to say: WE8 is a better game between all of the games of serie WE... you see in a few days more... ;)

I only can say... THXS KONAMI AGAIN!!!!

See you
Polter2k
i couldn't have say it any better. thanks for a positive feedback of the video/soon to be the game

[Alberto Tomba]

When will they learn football matches aren't played on carpets :(

Cristiano you should be crediting me with that "carpet" line seeming as I said it a while back if you can remember? :D i actually take some of that comment back. football kingdom is in fact way better with it's grass but WE isn't that bad either. I don't know I'm learning now that WE and now Football Kingdom(make it into a series guys!) are ment to be different and no ONE game can own the title of best game.I love FK I love WE,but I wouldn't say either is better than the other at all right now.

[van ajineh]

guys does any1 here have any doubts about how w11 8 is gonna be.u know from the posts and stuff some ppl are saying that konami didnt make the graphics or gameplay better and they said that theres no use for the indirect freekick and most of the new features.i just hope that w11 8 turns out to be good cause i cant really wait ne longer.just a week and a half to go...

[van ajineh]

i couldn't have say it any better. thanks for a positive feedback of the video/soon to be the game
where did u see the video of w11 8 please please tell me!!!

[Cyrax]

At this moment I think the game will be perfect. WE7 was great and impressive, and for what I've heard those little changes (refree is actually on the pitch, licenses for HCE, Primera Divison, and the Italian league) will bring the game to a higher lever once again. Those that say the games features aren't doing that, haven't played the game yet, just like us. How do they know if the graphics aren't improved? From those screens? Go.... and buy WE8 and laugh at those playing Fifa.

[Itachi-san]

where did u see the video of w11 8 please please tell me!!!

its on page 89, download it, watch it, tell us what is your impression so far from the video

[Cyrax]

I saw WE7...? With minor adjustments... I loved the free kick and that header was a beauty. The tackle looks improved and the dribbling looks different. I liked the arguments between the players and the ref.But we haven't seen anything yet in this video, there will be more, a lot more.

[Kluiverte]

there's almost nothing to say in the vid, we all need to play it and then we'll can create our opinion.

I'm sure it will be the best football game ever, just because Konami deserves my confidence, and it happens to me year by year with each new PES released.

[Cyrax]

Kluiverte,

You are so right. Konami deserves our trust. When we play it, we'll know. I just can't wait to play it...

[stueyg]

wow man this video is amazin, just wat i've been waitin 4, the new skills are great, cant wait to do sum of them

[Lami]

Man, KONAMI's gotta be fuckin me...

They're movin onto a DVD and only 20% new animations? That means I'll be playing the same shit over again?

OK, we saw one new header animation, new dribble, new cross style and wtf?

It took'em 1 year to add that + 5 new stadiums and 70 teams?

You've got to be fuckin me, pardon the language...................... ......

Man, I'll be pissed....

I bet they just took WE7IJ and simply started making WE8 from that..

I was expecting so much more... it's my fault.

and thats exactly what i said in my first impression, looks like we7i but with improvements.

[Cyrax]

You guys are moaning and you know it. I saw a new free-kick, an better sliding, better dribbling and a superb header. Think thats all???? I don't think so, there will be more... Stop shaking now, wipe your tears away, there will be more. You don't have to go and buy Football Kingdom cause you want something different...

[dannyboy20]

Firstly you can't really comment on the gameplay until you have played it. The only things we notice are the new moves and graphical touches. You can't judge the gameplay because it's something you have to "feel". I guarantee when anyone first plays this it will feel different to previous versions.

Also the video isn't straight from the game. It's a promo dvd video, which has been recorded on a camcorder. The FPS has probably change thats why it's so fast.

[Travis Bickle]

I saw WE7...? With minor adjustments... I loved the free kick and that header was a beauty. The tackle looks improved and the dribbling looks different. I liked the arguments between the players and the ref.But we haven't seen anything yet in this video, there will be more, a lot more.

So you like the improved free kicks and headers, you think the tackling has improved and the dribbling too, you like the new animations and that the refs on the pitch. Mate what more do you want :confused: thats all the improvements it needed.

I reckon that "point 5" the ground pass looks the biggest improvement, Isn't there a power bar for ground passes and that showed it the way it went past those players to pick out Sol?. the menu's look cool and the tutorial thingy will definately improve the game.

[Fisherman]

Its gonna be class, Haven't played it but Im sure it will be.
Those Konami guys are geniuses

[Cyrax]

Dannyboy20,

It's always the same. Everbody judges the game without even played it yet. I have the confidence that this game will be superior over WE7/PES3, till now Konami has never let down the true footiefan. Every year the games got better and better despite the moaning of certain people. Play it, know it, judge it....

[ashmufc]

Just seen the video and it was great I think. But we need a official video to see the video in good quality.

[dorval]

let's not jump into a foregone conclusion..wait for official videos..

[dorval]

from what i saw now..in that header from gerrard the keeper really stretches a lot instead of pes3!!that was a really annoying feature in pes3...the goalkeeping..yac

[Cyrax]

The goalkeeping in PES3 is okay, but not great. Some very easy shots/attempts get the bennefit of the goalie, and frankly unstopable shots will be stopt easily... But I heard some guy (forgot who it was) saying that when he uses the feint the goalie always will be feinted. Sorry to say it, but that is absolutely not true...

[dorval]

yap that's not true but some of the goals are complete flukes!!!lots of times that happens!!

[GateC724]

when the menus are on will they be wrote in english or is that just because of that video.

[GateC724]

o yer and another thing if there isnt an english option 4 language will sum1 do like a translation thing on this website 4 da whole game without patching.

[rkinder]

How do you all expect it to look so different on a stupid video camera? Also, the perspective WE is played at means it NATURALLY wont look much different to its predecessor. And anyway - how different can it look? Dont be stupid.

As for playing on carpet, obviosuly you've never been to a good stadium or something. A good pitch DOES look uniformly bright and lovely. Go to St Marys, for example - its won picth of the year - and its a lovely pitch, all year round.

Gameplay - we cant tell. And whoever said its shit is an idiot. Even if its only a bit better than PES3, it'll still be the best thing around. I personally agree that some new animations might have been nice for some of the things, but again, we havent really seen it yet. And anyone who plays PES4 for anything but the gameplay, well, go on, go and play FIFA and get off this board. Its stupid to expect something so radically different. PES3 LOOKED similar to the original PES, let alone PES2 from that viewpoint, but as we all played it, we soon realised how much better it was than the first two. And I firmly believe we will find the same again. Stop whinging. You al say "Like WE7i but a bit better" - what more can you ask for, as long as it is a bit better? This is a series. It isnt a new game - but if they keep improving it every year, I'll be a happy man. It was never going to be brand new, and we all know that, so why start now? Just because it doesnt look like real football yet. Shut up. I think the new things, and all the other little additions like (apparently) crowds to match the team more than ever, and better atmosphere, and licenses, graphics, menus - all these things taken as a whole will mark yet another step forward for PES and WE, and mark another year of it being simply better than anything else out there so far.

[ezio]

they didn´t have English text on the video, except the main menu, like always


Ok been a while since I played anything without a patch so I don't remember. Thanks.

Ezio

[t1000v2.0]

rkinder, best post i've read on this. been a way for a day or 2, but just seen the vid and i think its outstanding. All we can comment on so far is the graphics, new stuff and presentation. NOT GAMEPLAY ITSELF, simply cos we havent played it. The FKs looks great, animation looks class, graphics look crisp. Dannyboy is right about the speed, its a recording/FPS/resolution thing that makes it look super fast (believe me i know a thing or to about video editing) What else? crossing and heading looks great, pitch looks fine!! ref on pitch!! i mean this is progress guys!! not all the improvements are gonna be obvious from that vid, that will come from playing the game. So far so good though, I'm not expecting too much, but what I've seen is defeinately good news.

[cduin]

http://www.dfl-mohaa.dk/result/we8_point_1_3.MPG for another video, atleast point 1-3 of the video we already saw.

Yes!!!! Substitution cutscenes!!!

[RonaldoFenomeno]

http://www.dfl-mohaa.dk/result/we8_point_1_3.MPG for another video, atleast point 1-3 of the video we already saw.

Yes!!!! Substitution cutscenes!!!




Substitution cutscenes...?? where did u see it???

[cduin]

Near the end, you see an player walk off and a new coming on, did you watch that new video? its on the new one, not on the one from yesterday, yhe link is in my last massage.

(this link: http://www.dfl-mohaa.dk/result/we8_point_1_3.MPG)

[Alberto Tomba]

You guys are moaning and you know it. I saw a new free-kick, an better sliding, better dribbling and a superb header. Think thats all???? I don't think so, there will be more... Stop shaking now, wipe your tears away, there will be more. You don't have to go and buy Football Kingdom cause you want something different...

:cool:

[Cyrax]

Yes, he's right. There are substitution cutscenes in that video....

[t1000v2.0]

sub cut scenes?? we've waited ages for that!! downloading the vid, cant wait.

[cduin]

From someone at Evo-Web, here the whole video together. The menus look class, the whole game looks much more polished. And point 1 talks about the league system....too bad i dont understand japanese.

www.dfl-mohaa.dk/result/We8_video_Full.mpg

[Travis Bickle]

http://www.dfl-mohaa.dk/result/we8_point_1_3.MPG for another video, atleast point 1-3 of the video we already saw.

Yes!!!! Substitution cutscenes!!!

I also reckon the game looks better on this half of the video, you saw the power bar for a ground pass, the menus look good, look at all the teams, and the Japanese squads faces look ace. I know this is pedantic but skip to about 1min 24 when he makes the pass look at the stadium, wow:eek:.

[t1000v2.0]

How can anyone knock tje graphics, its nothin like pes3 or we7 its bloody awsome!!! smooth as hell and the cut scenes are great!!, this is gonna be a winner.

[Travis Bickle]

Still got the homo-erotic celebrations though.

[Alberto Tomba]

Still got the homo-erotic celebrations though.

hahahaha yeah :D

[Raven9]

No inside curled shots. Again. Once again having to withstand the complete awfulness of their "always-outsidefoot-shooting-routine", gentle button touch or not... It can be seen in the first video( WE United goal) . Overall presentation looks class, nets look the same( Different colours, yes) and finishing moves seem again the "Achilles Heel" of the game...( in my opinion, downhill since W11 6fe). ANYWAY ,it will be the greatest football game to date, and will reward all of us who so deeply love the game...WE DESERVE IT...shame about the waiting process

[Lami]

How can anyone knock tje graphics, its nothin like pes3 or we7 its bloody awsome!!! smooth as hell and the cut scenes are great!!, this is gonna be a winner.
thats why i always tell u to play we7i mate! ur right we8 is nothing like pes3 or we7. its aLOT like we7i, with some improvements

[RonaldoFenomeno]

Near the end, you see an player walk off and a new coming on, did you watch that new video? its on the new one, not on the one from yesterday, yhe link is in my last massage.

(this link: http://www.dfl-mohaa.dk/result/we8_point_1_3.MPG)


thanx Cduin, it's great... :D