Conspiracy Theories

[LiamK]

Moon landing?
Diana's car crash?
September 11th?
Area 51?
Dr. David Kelly's death?
The 'Illuminati'?
Kurt Cobain's suicide?

Are some of the more popular conspiracy theories floating around cyberspace, are there any conspiracy theories or Government cover ups that you personally believe in?

[jMz]

I reckon Kurt Cobain was killed. He couldn't have pulled the trigger on the shotgun.
What's the illuminati?

[LiamK]

Secret organization that controls the world/USA or something. A President is just for aethetic purposes, the real decisions are made by people in a secret bunker probably carved into Mount Rushmore or something like that!

[jMz]

Secret organization that controls the world/USA or something. A President is just for aethetic purposes, the real decisions are made by people in a secret bunker probably carved into Mount Rushmore or something like that!
That sounds bang on. I'll bet that's the case.
I think the Crown had Diana bumped off aswell, cos of Dodi.

[BazHilder]

I've read a lot on kurt cobain and i truly believe he was murdered, i have kurt & courtney on dvd and i checked out some of the sites of people mentioned in that and it all seems to point away from suicide...

[Gary G]

There was a program on not long ago about the moon landing conspiracy, I don't believe that it was filmed in a holywood studio.

I think the Diana conspiracy has some mileage in it, although the truth will probably never come out

[jMz]

There was a program on not long ago about the moon landing conspiracy, I don't believe that it was filmed in a holywood studio.

I watched that. They took all the theories and shat on them with evidence.
It was canny good like.

[swain]

John Lennon/JFK -

I'm likely to believe the "manchurian candidate" one where the assasin is triggered off by looking at reading something in Catcher In The Rye, after first being hypnotised by the CIA, Lennon because he was starting revolutions throughout the world, JFK because he stopped a war, which the US always need.

Diana's car crash-

Killed by Mossad because she was within inches of forcing the end of Landmines, which Israel needs to survive, it is a multi billion dollar industry. Don't think it was anything to do with her Muslin boyfriend, could be wrong though.

September 11th-

I believe that the Israeli's did know about it but the US didn't, Israel needed the US to be hurt by "terrorism" in order to get public support behind them before the annihilation of the Palestinians. Of course the US benefited from the war as usual by securing all the contracts for rebuilding Iraq & Aufghanistan, everybody's happy.

[Harry-Kewell]

I’m not so convinced that a plane hit the pentagon building on September the 11th. The authorities didn’t waste anytime at all when covering up that mess. I reckon the US government had something to do with it. I've seen plenty of pictures and evidence on the net, on various sites, showing that that the damage done couldn’t have been made by the plane which supposedly was said to have crashed there.

[jMz]

I'd like to see some of these sites, could anyone post some links? While we are on the subject.

[BazHilder]

Everyone should go and see farenheit 9/11 that'll fuel your conspiratorial mind no end!

[Harry-Kewell]

757 Plane Crash (http://www.thepowerhour.com/911_analysis/plane-crash-pentagon-hole-photo.htm)

Flight 77 (http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flight77.htm)

Hunt the Boeing! And test your perceptions! (http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm)

[LiamK]

I've read quite a bit about the Pentagon attack.

A lot witnesses claim to have seen a missile, not a plane. The entry point is 18ft circle which is the mark of a missile attack. The Pentagon is the most protected building in the world, why did it's radar not pick up a plane/missile heading straight towards it?

[o0oGedo0o]

Kurt Cobain's suicide?
i don't know who's kurt cobain i know all the others though

[dorval]

hmm...you were born in 1985 and you don't know who kurt cobain is?that's weird...but hey...you don't need to know everybody...but most teenagers know who he is...he was the vocalist of Nirvana. :D

[Jonny2J]

http://www.100777.com/

[o0oGedo0o]

hmm...you were born in 1985 and you don't know who kurt cobain is?that's weird...but hey...you don't need to know everybody...but most teenagers know who he is...he was the vocalist of Nirvana. :D
yeah i heard he suicided my older step brother once said that to me but i didn't recall his name

[LiamK]

Hmmm...I've been reading through some more Flight 77 stuff, it's quite convincing actually. Although it says that a plane didn't hit the Pentagon, where the hell did the plane end up then? Did it land somewhere else and the passengers sworn to secrecy?Did Flight 77 even exist?

It's a bit one dimensional and some of the evidence they bring up is patchy to say the least, still it would be nice to know the conspiracy theorists views on what actually happened to the plane.

[Travis Bickle]

Moon landing?
Definately happened, after seeing that programme that someone else mentioned, I'm embarrased to think I even contemplated a conspiracy.

Diana's car crash?
People die in high speed car crashes every day just because it was an established figure in the Monarchy doesn't mean it was murder and not just a tragic death.

September 11th?
I didn't really know of the Pentagon conspiracy, it looks like a plane smashed into it to me ? I could be led to believe that there was mass knowledge of potential Sept 11th attacks but nothing was done so the Americans could retaliate and take all the oil.

Area 51?
Paranoid Americans probably have built an Area 51, but dick-alls happened because there is no such thing as Aliens

Dr. David Kelly's death?
I think Dr Kelly is dead, and its tragic and I don't want to read any conspiracies into it, he was a depressed man that took his own life.

The 'Illuminati'?
The Illuminati are elite men, those on the top, who control the International Bankers to control, for evil purposes, the entire world. Their agentur are bred, educated, and trained to be placed behind the scenes at all levels of government. As experts and advisers, they mould government policy so as to further the secret plans of their masters. They lure people away from God by offering them money, the world, the flesh, and the devil.

Nope don't believe in this, if this is what you are talking about, I think this guys watched devils advocate too much.


Kurt Cobain's suicide?
Clinically depressed man with drug addiction at the age where there are statistically highest suicide counts, shoots himself in the head - TRUE.

JFK and Lennon ?

Both shot by looneys, and if a man named Stone tells you otherwise punch him in the mouth.

[luszpynskyj]

What is Area 51?

[o0oGedo0o]

it's supposed to be in nevada desert where nobody knows about it and they make secret weapons and hide weird stuff about aliens and such that they don't want the public to know about

[Ogopa Djz]

it's supposed to be in nevada desert where nobody knows about it and they make secret weapons and hide weird stuff about aliens and such that they don't want the public to know about

It probably exists too. Thing is i dont care if its real cause i know if aliens existed (and did help create with all our technological advancements eg Ps2, microwave) i'd feel akward alien even towards the ps2 and microwave. :rolleyes:

[Travis Bickle]

You got no respect for scientists and brainiacs if you think all our technological advances were by aliens, I mean if you were still playing amstrad standard games today and TVs without remotes you'd be saying it was crap.

[Ogopa Djz]

You got no respect for scientists and brainiacs if you think all our technological advances were by aliens, I mean if you were still playing amstrad standard games today and TVs without remotes you'd be saying it was crap.

Nah i got respect. But you must admit if aliens were responsible for the technological revolution wouldn't you feel a bit akward.

[Travis Bickle]

I think I can safely say they are not, if they were I'd think aliens were a bit rubbish really. I think the fact that war and how to kill people on a massive scale being the main reasons for technological advancements makes me a bit uneasy.

[Mambo]

My theory about Flight 77:

They (US government) shot the plane down themselves in fear of where it was headed. Then to cover it up they fired one at the pentagon.

[Fisherman]

These hostages being beheaded on Video started off by Amercians(or Mercenaries) with covered faces, Then when the terrorists see this on the news they think its what they should be doing and they start doing it themselfs and the craze carries on..
Planted the idea into their head and made it look like its already being done by them.

Quite Clever really

BTW I have more but I can't be arsed to post them on a public forum.

[Flipper the Priest]

On Area 51: think how many new tecnologies have been discovered since it happened.

The world has probably progressed twice as much as hundreds of preceeding years.

[Travis Bickle]

These hostages being beheaded on Video started off by Amercians(or Mercenaries) with covered faces, Then when the terrorists see this on the news they think its what they should be doing and they start doing it themselfs and the craze carries on..
Planted the idea into their head and made it look like its already being done by them.

Quite Clever really

Thats the funniest thing I've ever read and quite offensive really. You are talking about a country/culture that still has capital punishment and one that has been under a strict regime by Saddam, and you are saying they only did beheading because they saw video footage of a "faked" American beheading !!!

[Fisherman]

Well yes, Not just a video but a video shown and talked about over and over again on CNN all over the world.

Some people had this idea already but to start this craze is another thing all together.
It helps when everyone in the world sees this and thus it seeming the normal tactic of the terrorist or fighters against the 'infidels' or other causes.

I think you underestimate the power of the media.

[Travis Bickle]

They are Islamic fundamentalists, they chop peoples heads off, thats what they do. Do you think that suicide bombing and assasinations of opposition leaders are also things they learnt off the Tele.

I understand the power of the media, I also understand the power of the Internet to fill peoples heads with crap.

[razor]

assasination of leaders? that has been going on in our country and many "westernn Countries as far as history goes. killing is in human nature. julius caesar was assasinated.

[Gun_Runner]

i think 2pacs death was very strange and theres been a lot of conspiracy over that...some people think it was his body guard Suge Knight that shot him others think it was a drive -by and some people even think it was someone Bad Boy Records(notorious b.i.g, p.diddy hired to shoot him) what do uze think??

[Ogopa Djz]

i think 2pacs death was very strange and theres been a lot of conspiracy over that...some people think it was his body guard Suge Knight that shot him others think it was a drive -by and some people even think it was someone Bad Boy Records(notorious b.i.g, p.diddy hired to shoot him) what do uze think??

Yeah true Nicole simpson cant rap, but they pinned the murder on Oj in less than 12 hours.

[Fisherman]

They are Islamic fundamentalists, they chop peoples heads off, thats what they do. Do you think that suicide bombing and assasinations of opposition leaders are also things they learnt off the Tele.

I understand the power of the media, I also understand the power of the Internet to fill peoples heads with crap.

The internet? Mate I think for myself and I don't go on any conspiracy websites,
Everyone is influenced by the media whether you like it or not.

1 guy can make a new fashion but for the rest of the people they just wear what they define as 'cool' or what is the 'in ' thing to do.
It helps when its replayed on MTV 24/7,
Then it becomes something they should be wearing if they are labelled into that group, The new craze etc

[LiamK]

Fashion and the public broadcasted decapitation of Americans are very different things.

Just because David Beckham got a mohican and all the 12 year olds in the country did the same, does not fully explain how Islamic adults could be influenced to the same extent by a hoax decapitation.

[Travis Bickle]

I know LiamK. I don't really understand his point either. Is he trying to say these extremists aren't actually that bad, and the only reason they execute people is to keep up the front of our perception of Terrorists ?

[Fisherman]

Fashion and the public broadcasted decapitation of Americans are very different things.

Just because David Beckham got a mohican and all the 12 year olds in the country did the same, does not fully explain how Islamic adults could be influenced to the same extent by a hoax decapitation.


Why not?

If those people on tape are seen as terrorists and the people who are labelled as 'terrorists' see this.
Why wouldn't this influence them and make it much more likely for them to carry out the same thing again and again?

Snowball effect

[Fisherman]

I know LiamK. I don't really understand his point either. Is he trying to say these extremists aren't actually that bad, and the only reason they execute people is to keep up the front of our perception of Terrorists ?

These people are bad, But Im trying to explain the even bad people are influenced by the media and its immense power.

[Travis Bickle]

I don't believe the Americans Hoaxed a televised execution anyway.

[LiamK]

I do psychology and I've studied conformity to the point where I'm speaking it in my sleep.

Children are far more impressionable than adults, role models and authoritarians can influence a child greatly, the same cannot be said for adults. Adults are far less impressionable and superficial and have far less role models. That's why only 12 year olds copied David Beckham's mohican, yet no middle aged businessmen were caught with a peroxide dyed mohican on their daily commute to the office.

If adults cannot be influenced by something as minor as a hair cut or something, saying they will be influenced by these supposed role models into the kidnapping and decapitation of American soldiers is infinitely unlikely.

[Fisherman]

There are many different types of groups and you know that.
There are the guys who go for the latest craze like Spikey hair or Mohician etc and there are the guys that don't and go for the standard.
People from down the road can have different tastes to you and be labelled in a different group.
There is no 1 channel there are hundreds on TV for different groups and interests

Terrorism is on a wider scale and the differences aren't that small as spikey or non spikey.
Its killing whether it be by gunshot by the head or beheading or bombing.
At the end of the day its killing.
This hostage taking thing is a terrorist craze, like a new fashion.
People can think of a craze but its a different thing starting it off and getting the publicity needed for it to become a phenomena like it is now.

[razor]

concerning tupac ther are lot of theories which also suggest he faked his death. there is tons of info on hte net just do a search in google. some of the things just catn be coincidence

[LiamK]

There are many different types of groups and you know that.
There are the guys who go for the latest craze like Spikey hair or Mohician etc and there are the guys that don't and go for the standard.
People from down the road can have different tastes to you and be labelled in a different group.
There is no 1 channel there are hundreds on TV for different groups and interests

Terrorism is on a wider scale and the differences aren't that small as spikey or non spikey.
Its killing whether it be by gunshot by the head or beheading or bombing.
At the end of the day its killing.
This hostage taking thing is a terrorist craze, like a new fashion.
People can think of a craze but its a different thing starting it off and getting the publicity needed for it to become a phenomena like it is now.

True, partly, but avoiding my original point.

Adults aren't as impressionable as children. I'm aware their are many types of people, some more impressionable than others. But my points was that adults are not as impressionable as children, the chances of adults copying the simplest things from their role models (hair styles were my example) are very low. The chance of adults being influenced to murder someone is even more unlikely.

[Travis Bickle]

Its not a craze, hostages are taken in every conflict. You say the TV has made an impression on these Muslim's to commit executions whereas it is th otherway round these Extremists are using the power of Television for their own gain. They televise these executions so that others who are a part of their movement can see what they are doing in the name of Jihad. I do not believe the Americans made any tape of their own and the Extremists themselves see the executions as a rudimentary negotiating tool in their war against the "infidel".

[Fisherman]

True, partly, but avoiding my original point.

Adults aren't as impressionable as children. I'm aware their are many types of people, some more impressionable than others. But my points was that adults are not as impressionable as children, the chances of adults copying the simplest things from their role models (hair styles were my example) are very low. The chance of adults being influenced to murder someone is even more unlikely.

Yes Children aren't adults, Not all adults are in a terrorist group,
And not all terrorists are the same.

Most people in the world aren't gonna come up to you and say 'Im a Terrorist', They would say 'Im a adult'.
But if you did meet a Terrorist don't you think his influence from a widely publicized Terrorist craze would be more than your local non terrorist adult on your street.

[Fisherman]

Its not a craze, hostages are taken in every conflict. You say the TV has made an impression on these Muslim's to commit executions whereas it is th otherway round these Extremists are using the power of Television for their own gain. They televise these executions so that others who are a part of their movement can see what they are doing in the name of Jihad. I do not believe the Americans made any tape of their own and the Extremists themselves see the executions as a rudimentary negotiating tool in their war against the "infidel".


Does that mean you have to repeat it over and over again on TV?

If this was common place why didn't the CIA or Amercian Army insure that Nick Berg returned to U.S save and well whether he liked it or not.

[Travis Bickle]

Does that mean you have to repeat it over and over again on TV?

If this was common place why didn't the CIA or Amercian Army insure that Nick Berg returned to U.S save and well whether he liked it or not.

I don't know what TV you watch, but I've never seen any of the executions !

As for the Nick Berg tragedy, there were alot of mistakes made concerning his wellbeing and unfortunately he was taken captive but I don't know how you see the events ??

[Fisherman]

I don't know what TV you watch, but I've never seen any of the executions !

As for the Nick Berg tragedy, there were alot of mistakes made concerning his wellbeing and unfortunately he was taken captive but I don't know how you see the events ??


Im not talking about the actual beheading rather the whole story and the person there on his knees on video etc
They now how to kill and that doesn't need to be shown for the point to be made.

Yes alot of mistakes, mistakes

[Jony II]

what about the whole "hollocaust" cover up conspiracy?

[Travis Bickle]

Do you mean the Mel Gibsons Dad "the holocaust was greatly exsaggerated" claim or something else.

[LiamK]

I remember him saying that!

That the holocaust did happen, but not nearly as many people were killed as history makes out, and that most of the Jews just sailed to America after the war!

Absolute bollocks, but very funny!

[Travis Bickle]

I know. Reading between the lines what he said was "Not that many Jews died in WW2 because they're all over the f**king place now."

[dorval]

he said that?he needs big balls to say that...f*ck*ng hell..

[Jony II]

Its really interesting how all of you immediately say its complete bullocks.

[MattVonFat]

You'll find most people are like that! They already know everything.

[Original?]

You'll find most people are like that! They already know everything.

Funny you should say that. ;)

Nearly every conspiracy theory on the internet is made up by some sad lunatic sitting in a basement (It might not be his parents :p) and has no foundations. Yet there are some that are good.

Diana: Diana's car trip was completely unplanned, therefore there are only three people that couyld have intentionally killed her, the driver, Dodi or Diana herself. None of which I think is right, accidents happen all the time as was said and this is just another one.

Elvis is still alive: 'Course he is... www.deadelvis.org ;)

Area 51: Absolute crap, the reason for the rapid increase in technology is that the earlier technology helps to develop the next generation of technology and therefore the better the previous technology the quicker the development, the microchip also plays a huge part.

Kurt Cobain: Likely suicide but I haven't enough information to make a truely informed decision.

The Holocaust Hoax: Fuck off it's the most ludicrous thing ever, maybe not quite that many died, but damn near did.

The Dead Sea scrolls: Anyone else heard of these? They are supposed to contain information that belittles the bible. The catholic church quickly stored them away and were meant to make them public but never did. Funny that.

[MattVonFat]

Well i'll still look at these conspiracy theories. Cause im basically a sad lunatic, living with my parents (im only 17 tho), in a study rather than a basement but it is quite dark (been raining).

What about:
Shingle Street?
Rendlesham Forest?

[Gun_Runner]

yeh ive read on diff. webistes tht 2pac faked hims death because in a video released after his death he is driving a brand new Volkswagen Beetle tht wasnt out when he was around and he is wearing a new pair of Air Jordans tht also werent out ......on a 2pac website at the very beginning of 1 of his songs if u turn the volume up full blast it says "Suge shot Pac" and suge knight was his bodyguard ......and people have claimed 2 c him in Cuba but could they just be seekin publicity or maybe a 2pac lookaliek or sumthing , i dnt know ........and supposedly theer was no post mortum which is strange because he was supposedly murdered tehrefore there would have been a post-mortum..........i do think he is dead though but who knows

[Travis Bickle]

Its really interesting how all of you immediately say its complete bullocks.


How many Jews do you think died ? I believe the official statistics over some anti-semitic jumped up preacher and father of an aussie actor.

[Jony II]

How many Jews do you think died ? I believe the official statistics over some anti-semitic jumped up preacher and father of an aussie actor.

I have no idea...might be less might be more. One thing is for certain - they got Israel back after the hollocaust.

[Lami]

whats the 'moon landing'?
i believe Illuminati is true, some 'behind the scene" people controlling the world, maybe its the Free masons, or whatever theyre called, backed up by the Israeli govt.

[Lami]

I have no idea...might be less might be more. One thing is for certain - they got Israel back after the hollocaust.
i think the hollocaust was a complete Jewish exaggeration plan to make the world look at them in a different way, since they were treated badly most of the time coz of their greediness and cruelty. Not sure what their next plot gona be though.. plannin my murder? :rolleyes:

[MattVonFat]

^Moon Landing? That's the idea it was faked on a set. I prefer the latest. After they passed behind the moon and lost radio contact the first words the said when they came back round was "Houston there is a Santa Clause" - i think. People are saying why did they say santa clause? Surely although it was christmas you would say God? Well its believed that Santa Clause was the code word for Alien Base on the dark side of the moon. Supposedly Armstrong has even said that they say alien crafts watching them.

[MattVonFat]

How many Jews do you think died ? I believe the official statistics over some anti-semitic jumped up preacher and father of an aussie actor.

You can rely on official statistics about as much as you can rely on an "anti-semitic jumped up preacher and father of an aussie actor"! Through doing law and History at A Level taster (just finished AS) i've learnt that official staistics can be doctored! I thought they would have had to use some Nazi documents to get accurate stats and if they felt that they were close to loosing the war wouldn't they have tried to get rid of as much of that as possible? If they even kept alot of records.

[Lami]

^Moon Landing? That's the idea it was faked on a set. I prefer the latest. After they passed behind the moon and lost radio contact the first words the said when they came back round was "Houston there is a Santa Clause" - i think. People are saying why did they say santa clause? Surely although it was christmas you would say God? Well its believed that Santa Clause was the code word for Alien Base on the dark side of the moon. Supposedly Armstrong has even said that they say alien crafts watching them.
never heard of that, sounds cheesy. since ive never heard of it then cant judge much. but from what ur sayin, sounds cheesy ;)

[Travis Bickle]

You can rely on official statistics about as much as you can rely on an "anti-semitic jumped up preacher and father of an aussie actor"! Through doing law and History at A Level taster (just finished AS) i've learnt that official staistics can be doctored!

You can look at the amount of Jews that were living in Europe before the War and make comparisons, they're were alot, and the estimates of 2 in 3 dying Ithink is believable.


i believe Illuminati is true, some 'behind the scene" people controlling the world, maybe its the Free masons, or whatever theyre called, backed up by the Israeli govt.

From what I know its more to do with the "Illuminati" reasoning for controlling the World. I think there are a smallnumber of People that have alot of control of what is going on, but to do it due to relations with Lucifer and their want for eternal life or some crap is ridiculous. I think they are meant to be a collection of people that have direct links to the Devil, bit like "Devils Advocate", I don't believe that.

[Lami]

I think they are meant to be a collection of people that have direct links to the Devil, bit like "Devils Advocate", I don't believe that.
I heard of that too, maybe the Devil, aint sure though. I heard stuff about them preparin the world for the coming of the Anti-Christ. have u heard of that?

[gollan]

I've heard that all jews have horns and split tails. They murder little Christian kids to get their blood to make Matzo's for their Easter. They made up the holocaust so they can get a country of their own. Hell, they sent the planes to crash into the WTC on 9/11. They killed Christ.
Who's next you bunch of ignorant fucks?
How low can you go Lami - generalizing about Jews when you probably didn't even meet one? and if the jews got a country of their own how come everybody is so damn busy in trying to make them leave that place? People are stupid and will believe almost anything, but this is just absurd.

[svendust]

yeh ive read on diff. webistes tht 2pac faked hims death because in a video released after his death he is driving a brand new Volkswagen Beetle tht wasnt out when he was around and he is wearing a new pair of Air Jordans tht also werent out ......on a 2pac website at the very beginning of 1 of his songs if u turn the volume up full blast it says "Suge shot Pac" and suge knight was his bodyguard ......and people have claimed 2 c him in Cuba but could they just be seekin publicity or maybe a 2pac lookaliek or sumthing , i dnt know ........and supposedly theer was no post mortum which is strange because he was supposedly murdered tehrefore there would have been a post-mortum..........i do think he is dead though but who knows

There seems to be alot more evidence that 2 Pac is still alive than he is actually dead, including the fact that he keeps talking about resurection in his songs and about 'Makeveli' who apparently was some Italian guy who was killed and then came back to life, isn't/wasn't there gooing to be a film about Tupac?

[gollan]

Macchiaveli wasn't a guy who came back to life, he was a philosopher who advised Italian rulers in the 16th century. To sum up his philosophy in a few words, it could be the following: "Be mean to the ones who love you, be nice to your enemies, know how to control with fear and cruelty, never be generous or kind, be aware that good things said about you are mere flattery..." you get the picture. all in all, he was a smart guy but in no way does this has to do with Tupac pretty obviously being dead.

[Travis Bickle]

There seems to be alot more evidence that 2 Pac is still alive than he is actually dead


Evidence that he is still alive -

He talks about it in songs !??!
nutcases have spotted him
Hidden messages when songs played backwards.


Evidence he is dead -

He got shot Dead !!!!

[Lami]

I've heard that all jews have horns and split tails. They murder little Christian kids to get their blood to make Matzo's for their Easter. They made up the holocaust so they can get a country of their own. Hell, they sent the planes to crash into the WTC on 9/11. They killed Christ.
Who's next you bunch of ignorant fucks?
How low can you go Lami - generalizing about Jews when you probably didn't even meet one? and if the jews got a country of their own how come everybody is so damn busy in trying to make them leave that place? People are stupid and will believe almost anything, but this is just absurd.
well i did meet jews when i was in usa and australia. jews got a country of their own? lol... how did they get it? thats IF they even have it yet. look at history and u'll see how it was planned for jews to have palestine. ah and dont call me ignorant mate. i have nothin against the jews. the dudes that i met in usa and australia were friends. they even tell me realities about the israeli govt that i dont believe. see it aint me sayin anything. and to make u feel happy, i wont say "Jews" anymore, i'll say "some jews" or zionists? the fact that "some jews" and masons are related isnt a myth nor a lie. its a true fact. i guess most of the people know, and if not they can search the internet or even go to a library and check it out. this is a site that might clear things up a bit:
http://www.catholicism.org/pages/masonjews.htm

u shudnt be offended Gollan. i'm not saying something that i am imagining, nor it is a personal opnion. It is reality and facts. History has a huge database about Jews, and thats where i get all my info from. i have no discrimination feelings towards any Jew. Its History that tells us how Jews have always been :)

[gollan]

whatever man. I know that this kind of "This is how Jews have always been" will just upset me. It's as racist as it goes. It's like saying how any kind of racial/religious group can be brought down to generalities. The thing is that I do not believe in those generalities - it's just to easy. And telling me to check out internet sites and books is not very convincing, as there are sites and books that advertise many of the freak theories brought up in this thread and many more. Just one thing - about the Israeli govt - I hate it too. Still, we do have a country of our own. Fact. We got when the UN decided to give it to us in 1947. Fact. Britian controlled this territory and the plan was to give 60% to the Arabs and 40% to the jews. The jews agreed, the arabs didn't. They went to war and lost. Don't start with history, pal, because clearly I can teach you a thing or two about it, especially the history of this region and I don't give a damn if you live in Dubai right now. You say you are Italian - are all Italians mafiosos? All of them are thieves? All of them are harass women? All of them are greaseballs? whatever.

[gollan]

oh and by the way I clicked on that link, dude. It's full of crap, some crazy ultra catholic lunatic....god I hope this kinda shit doesn't convince you man. are you a catholic? let's generalize, if you please. Were you buttfucked by a priest or is it just a generalization?

[Lami]

ey mate while i argue with u i wont call u names or anythin. im tryin to argue and give evidence which is based on facts and history, not my personal opinions. so if u plz, either argue on a better level and stop saying words like buttfucked or whatever, or id just stop arguin. its normal to try proving ur point, just as i am trying too. well accordng to history, i know it very well, so i dont think u can add any to my info, so no need to teach me ;) u can try and prove a point of urs, which is the whole point of arguin and debatin. I am an Italian yes, Plus, i am an arab. so u get it i believe? Half Italian half Arab ;) About being given palestine, man, how about Isreal puts itself in palestines shoes. Britain plans and gives orders to give Arabs the land of Israel, would the israeli people be happy? i dont think so, neither would any other country in this world. You live in your home, and some people with political power give orders to someone to take your home. I dont think you would like that idea. It's ur house mate, imagine he forcefully comes in and takes half of what you have, and lives with you in the same house, by Force. NO ONE would ever welcome the idea. So why would palestine have to oblige to such orders? If you wana step ahead and give me some of your historical beliefs, then please do. I'd like to know what background you come from

[wrigh2uk]

Evidence that he is still alive -

He talks about it in songs !??!
nutcases have spotted him
Hidden messages when songs played backwards.


Evidence he is dead -

He got shot Dead !!!!


^ yep, he knew he was going to die and wrote about it ...50 cent talks about dying and gettin shot, and if he did die would you say hes still alive too ?

I don't think his mother would go thru all the trouble if he was alive, the constant book signins, openin up a 2pac arts centre

[gollan]

Oh. Half Italian half Arab. Good to know. Listen man I'm gonna make it quite simple by returning the question to you: What would be your solution? The year is 1945, your are the UN and you want to find a solution for the jews which is, hopefully, somewhat different to Eichman's "Final Solution". BTW, How could you say this was the home of the Palestinian people? this makes as much sense as me saying this is the home of the jewish people from the days of king david. The world is changing and has changed during the last century. Countries merged together then came apart, vast wars and evolutions. You probably never visited this piece of land, but unfortunatley there is something here that makes people fight for it for over 3000 years. To say this is an arabic piece of land is simplistic. Maybe it belongs to them, maybe to the Turks, the Mamluk Egyptians, the Greeks, the Romans, the Assyrians, The Babylonians. America? maybe. I think that almost everyone had their share of this piece of land somewhere in the course of history, so what makes it an arabic piece of land is just a matter of being last in line, in my opinion. now the Israelis are last in line, and we are here. I don't feel any injustice. People forget that. People also tend to forget the alternative, which in this case, is almost non existent. bringing us back to the question - what would've been your solution in 1945? sending the jews to Uganda, like Sir Phil suggested? maybe. but it's as speculative as guessing what would've happend if the USSR stayed in power, Germany won, the Shah not overthrown in Iran and many other historical events of the last century. fact is Israel is here, for the time being, and if we won't destroy ourselves (which in my opinion will happen in 20-30 years from now) maybe some nuclear weapon will, who knows.

[stevieboy]

...The year is 1945...
Well, it's 2004 ;)
The Israeli govt ignores an order by the International court to take down the wall around the Palestinian homeland.
The reason; to stop the suicide & car bombings, whilst the Israeli army still bulldoze the Palestinians out of their homes & shoot just about anything that moves.
Thing is, no-one's ever going to get anywhere because of the blame passing back & forth.
My view is both Arabs & Jews are to blame for the current state of affairs, along with the good ole British Empire.
I am totally neutral, as I said before, but this arse-kissing of Israel by the US & UK (because of Jewish big business & political links) makes me cringe.

How is this topic related to conspiracy theories exactly :confused:

[Lami]

lol i duno man, it just descended. well i guess we should stop then? wouldnt want to extend our "off-topic" discussion coz then this thread wouldnt make sense anymore. Unless whoever's interested would like to move it somewhere else.. ;)

[LiamK]

Trying to swerve this topic back onto topic...

David Kelly said that if Britain went to war with Iraq he'd 'probably be found dead in the woods'.

If he died of an overdose, why was only half a paracetamol found in his stomach, and if he died of bloodloss, why was there no blood at the scene?

[svendust]

Macchiaveli wasn't a guy who came back to life, he was a philosopher who advised Italian rulers in the 16th century. To sum up his philosophy in a few words, it could be the following: "Be mean to the ones who love you, be nice to your enemies, know how to control with fear and cruelty, never be generous or kind, be aware that good things said about you are mere flattery..." you get the picture. all in all, he was a smart guy but in no way does this has to do with Tupac pretty obviously being dead.

Maybe i shouldn't believe everything i read on the net :o

You sure its the same bloke seeing as you've spelt it 'Macchiaveli' and Tupac spells it Makeveli or is that just him trying to make it sound more street so he doesn't look like a geek. :cool:

[svendust]

Evidence that he is still alive -

He talks about it in songs !??!
nutcases have spotted him
Hidden messages when songs played backwards.


Evidence he is dead -

He got shot Dead !!!!

OK i get your point that the evidence for him being alive isn't exactly stone-cast but wheres the evidence that he got shot dead :confused:

[Maca]

biggest stunt or conspiracy IS the moonlanding or Elvis and 2pacs apparent death...
as music artists get more subliminal the more desperate to sell records.. bah!

[Lami]

Maybe i shouldn't believe everything i read on the net :o

You sure its the same bloke seeing as you've spelt it 'Macchiaveli' and Tupac spells it Makeveli or is that just him trying to make it sound more street so he doesn't look like a geek. :cool:
yea he is the same, only Tupac likes to spell it Makavelli thats all

[o0oGedo0o]

i got his book the prince, i really enjoyed reading it i think you should try reading it

[Lami]

well i will someday, someday when i am done with my friggin exams, i hate exams, somebody shoot me

[Travis Bickle]

Trying to swerve this topic back onto topic...

David Kelly said that if Britain went to war with Iraq he'd 'probably be found dead in the woods'.

If he died of an overdose, why was only half a paracetamol found in his stomach, and if he died of bloodloss, why was there no blood at the scene?

Were you a forensic scientist at the scene or something. Thats what gets me about all these conspiracy theories its like the people know what should of happened in every possible circumstance.

David Kelly slit his wrists but when I saw that helicopter shot on the News at Ten I couldn't see any blood.

Americans landed on the Moon but look at the shadows on the Moon and how the flag waves.

Tupac was shot dead but they didn't come round to my house and personally show me the body.

etc................

[Fisherman]

Yeah just close your mind and accept everything you have been told without question.

BTW Who gives a fuck about Tupac, I don't

[Highway Penguin]

Who is David Kelly? Never heard of him.

[Travis Bickle]

Yeah just close your mind and accept everything you have been told without question.

BTW Who gives a fuck about Tupac, I don't

These conspiracy theories have no evidence, and there is also no reason for the government or whoever to conspire against us. Give me a situation where it has been necessary for a Governmental cover up and I might question the events surrounding it.

Dr David Kelly was an Iraq-arms expert who was allegedly the main source in the BBC's "sexing up" of the Iraq weapons dossier, he ended his own life because of the media attention and loss of self esteem, all the pressure and that.

Thats a prime example of what I mean who would actually gain anything by "murdering" Dr Kelly.

[Original?]

These conspiracy theories have no evidence, and there is also no reason for the government or whoever to conspire against us. Give me a situation where it has been necessary for a Governmental cover up and I might question the events surrounding it.

Dr David Kelly was an Iraq-arms expert who was allegedly the main source in the BBC's "sexing up" of the Iraq weapons dossier, he ended his own life because of the media attention and loss of self esteem, all the pressure and that.

Thats a prime example of what I mean who would actually gain anything by "murdering" Dr Kelly.

Precisely, nearly all conspiracy theories lack a solid motive.

[Fisherman]

Mate nothing is certain, I didn't say what they did do, Im saying what they could of done. Its always good to think for yourself and not assume so quickly.

[LiamK]

Were you a forensic scientist at the scene or something. Thats what gets me about all these conspiracy theories its like the people know what should of happened in every possible circumstance.

David Kelly slit his wrists but when I saw that helicopter shot on the News at Ten I couldn't see any blood.

Americans landed on the Moon but look at the shadows on the Moon and how the flag waves.

Tupac was shot dead but they didn't come round to my house and personally show me the body.

etc................


Only trying to get this thread away from the Lami/Gollan debate and back onto the conspiracy theories!

Never said I believed a word of it!

[-=[101st]=-]

this is gonna be long.. coz i haven't posted in or read this thread yet.. so get comfortable...

personally i think that Tupac's death, although as dodgey as it sounds.. was not a conspiracy and if it was then it was not very big one.. because really.. how much power did the man have?? and how much did he threaten anyone?? not enough to be even considered... and besides.. WTF does he have to gain by it??

and by using half my brain... it is not hard to find a problem if u look hard enough... how do u increase the crime level in an area?? u add more police.. it is simple logic that was explained to me by one of the best teachers i was ever taught by.. if u look at a situation for long enough u will be able to convince yourself there is foul play.. sure there are most likely some conspiracies in the world today that will go unproven.. but that doesn't mean everything is...

the Tupac example... just because he was the hotest thing in Rap music and he dies.. a SMALL minority (because that is what u are! Rap music enjoyers are a SMALL SMALL minority, although the number is growing.. still it is considered a minority) of people cry "CONSPIRACY!!" "woop tee doo Basil" as a young Austin Powers said in goldmember... it does not effect the world on a global scale.. so who would be willing to risk going to jail for a crime like that.. not many people..

that is why theories like these mean that things that may be considered to be conspiracies are rubbished until they go away because everyone feels that people are doing it to gain attention.. it follows the same principal that the childhood story "the boy who cried wolf" portrays.. it has a moral.. and that is "the more you try/do something the less effect it will have" sure that it is at its simplest.. but the fact that this principal is ignored means that hundreds of conspiracies that otherwise may have been proven to not be as first reported will go unproven... and we can thank this to superfishial (spelt poorly i know) who realize that if u say something attention grabbing to the media you get your name all over the paper.. and they see it as their 15 minutes of fame...

[Fisherman]

Only trying to get this thread away from the Lami/Gollan debate and back onto the conspiracy theories!

Never said I believed a word of it!

Exactly Liam we are just thinking of possiblities, Ofcourse we can't prove it unless we get it on tape and the world would be like 'oh the shock' when I would be more shocked that it was aloud to air and it was caught on camera.

Until you can really really prove it they will cover it up like the experts they are and make you look like a loon. I can't prove anything so for now its just thoughts.

[Travis Bickle]

Until you can really really prove it they will cover it up like the experts they are and make you look like a loon. I can't prove anything so for now its just thoughts.


What are they covering up, its just a spiralling pile of crap, all these "loons" say that because the experts can't disproof the crap they come out with it must be true, although the truth is noone can be arsed listening to the crap the "loons" have got to say.

[-=[101st]=-]

yep.. that is perfect.. you have people that are blinded by their own stupidity, that they ensure that they reflect poorly on the not so stupid...

[Fisherman]

Those loons you are talking about
Are they the ones that are convinced or just people thinking of the different possiblities.

[razor]

Tupac could possibly gain a lot by faking his death. a life away from all the media. get away from the rape allegations. someone already tried to kill him he may have faked his death to get away from them. the biggest gain is the media attention each one of his new albums get just because he is dead.

[Travis Bickle]

Those loons you are talking about
Are they the ones that are convinced or just people thinking of the different possiblities.

Whats the point of thinking of the different possibilities when they are all absurd and highly inplausible.

That stuff that Razors wrote is all so coincidental and some of it utter tripe, I'm sorry Razor but you haven't convinced me.

[razor]

Info on Death:

Tupac was with his producer Suge Knight. They were in Las Vegas watching a Mike Tyson match. After the match, they got in the car to leave. On the drive home, Suge told Tupac to take off his bullet proof vest because it was hot. After that, the car was shot 12 times and 5 of them hit 2pac. Suge was untouched. Suge took Tupac to the hospital and Tupac died 6 days later on September 13, 1996.

Facts that may be hints on death:

Tupac had just finished his contract with Death Row Records(a single and double cd). 2pac was going to make "Makaveli Records" with his group "Tha Outlawz". This info has brought the idea that Suge Knight shot Tupac.

Reasons why Suge Knight shot Tupac:

1. With 2pac gone, Death Row Records wasn't going to make any money of 2pac. Maybe, Suge Knight, the producer of Death Row, shot Tupac. This would allow him to make tons of money off of all of Tupac's unrealed tracks. Another mysterious thing is that when ABC interviewed Suge Knight about 2pac's death, they asked him that if he found out who shot 2pac, would tell the police. Suge replied, "Absolutely not!"

2. Death Row was very uncooperative with the police about 2pacs death. They hardly told the police anything! The news had trouble trying to interview people with Death Row Records about Tupacs death. Another mysterious thing is that when ABC interviewed Suge Knight about 2pac's death, they asked him that if he found out who shot 2pac, would tell the police. Suge replied, "Absolutely not!"

3. One of "Tha Outlawz" knew who killed Tupac, and before he could tell the police, he was shot to death.

4. In the first cd that came out after Tupacs death(7 Day Theory), when you turn the volume all the way up, the first few seconds say, "Suge shot him".

5. In the car Suge told 2pac to take off his bullet-proof vest because it was hot. Tupac never took off his vest and this is when he was shot.

6. When Tupac was shot 5 times and losing 22 ounces of blood, Suge drove Tupac to the hospital as fast as he could. When he got there he said that he had a long conversation with 2pac. How??? Would you be talking if you were shot 5 times and heavily bleading???

Note: Tupac's mom sued Death Row Records and won! She now has possesion of the tapes. Death Row Records can no longer make money off of Tupacs music. All of Tupac's singles and new albums will be under the label "Amaru Records/Jive Records".

Reasons why Tupac is still alive:

Everyone seems to think that 2pac will re-appear in 2003. If the year comes and goes with no sign of Tupac, then fans will let him rest in peace. I will tell you some hintful lyrics in his songs and some other mysterious facts.

The Plot:

Tupac wanted to make a difference. To make a difference in this world, you need money. 2pac didn't want to be like every other rapper who talks about making a change. Tupac actually wanted to make a change. Weeks before his (fake) death, 2pac was holding rallies to get people to vote. In his last interview, 2pac talks of wanting a political party. You need money to run a political party. Not as if Tupac didn't have money, but you need a LOT OF MONEY, to run a political party. Faking his death was a perfect way to get a lot of money!

Bad Boy Records:

Maybe, 2pac really could have a Notorious B.I.G. killed. This is pretty mean and scary but it's weird how in 7 Day Theory, you hear 6 gun shots and then Tupac doesn't diss Biggie anymore.

7 Day Theory Conspiricy:

All the 7's.

Tupac was shot 7 months after All Eyez on me was realesed. He was shot September 7 and survived on the 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, and died on the 13th. 7 days! Tupac was 25 years old. 2+5=7. He died at 4:03. 4+0+3=7. His new album R U Still Down, was realesed on November 25. 2+5=7.

On track 5 on the Makaveli album the voice says in the begining,"And the Lord returns in the in the coming 7 days, then well see ya next time."

The first video off R U Still Down was I Wonder if Heaven Got a Ghetto. In this video, when 2pac and another lady go into a hotel room, they very cleary show the number 7 on the door. Also in the diner, the clock shows 4:03. This was the time of Tupacs death.

In the movie Gang Related, Tupac and Belushi wait in room 7, and Tupac's badge number is 115. 1+1+5=7.

In the Toss it Up music video, Tupac breaks a mirror which is 7 years of bad luck.

On the song White Manz World, if you listen carefully to the beggining, there is a voice saying 7 years, 7 years, 7 years...

What the heck is with ALL THESE 7'S!!!

Weird things about songs, albums and the music videos:

Hit 'em Up:

In the chorus 2pac says, " You shot me, but you punks didn't finish, now you about to feel the wrath of a menace!" Before Tupac dies, he changed his name to Makaveli, who was a philosepher who said that by faking your death you can get back at enemies when they don't expect it.

Thug Luv:

Bizzy Bone says in the backround, "He's Alive, he's alive!" The title of Bizzy's album is Art of War, which is the title of one of Machiavelli's books.

I Ain't Mad At Cha:

This is Tupac's last video while he was alive, and in the end of the video, he dies.

Ambitionz Az a Ridah:

"Payoff the block, evade the cops, cause I know they coming for me. I've been hesitant to reappear, been away for years, now I'm back, my adversaries been reduced to tears, questions my methods?"

War Stories:

"My lyrics are blue prints to making money." He is telling us that his lyrics are blue prints to making money by faking his death.

Ain't Hard 2 Find:

"I heard a rumor I died, murdered in cold blood tramatized. Pictures of me in my final stages, you know mama cried, but that was fiction, some coward got the story twisted, like I no longer existed, mysteriously missing, but I'm worldwide baby, I ain't hard 2 find." This sounds like Las Vegas!

Hail Mary:

"run, quick, see, what do we have here now?" This is what was said when everyone discovered Jesus has risen from the dead.

White Manz World:

"in the blink of an eye, my time away just made perfection. Did you think I died?" He is predicting what his plot will do.

N****z Done Changed:

"I've been shot and murdered, can tell you how it happened word for word, but best believed that n****z gonna get what they deserved." This sounds like Las Vegas.

Made N****z:

"F*** em all, let em understand my plot to get richer."

Troublesome '96:

"Can you picture my specific plan? To be the man in this crooked land, underhanded hits of plenty. These scams are plotted over plans of rocks" He is asking if we can picture his plan of faking his death to get richer.

U Don't Have to Worry:

" 5 shots changed my whole life." This sounds like the 5 shots in his chest when he was killed. Later, another outlaw says, "If I were in that stinking car witcha, I'da take every bullet for ya."

Fake Autopsy Photo

I'm not going to show the picture because it is kind of disturbing, but you can find it almost anywhere on google or another search engine. This pic was released because rumors were starting to go around about 2pacs death. Anyone with some sort of graphic converter could easily make this fake pic.

I think all of this information has lead up to the conclusion that 2pac is alive, but you can decide for yourself.

[Travis Bickle]

I like it Razor but I still don't believe. The 7's thing is cool but coincidental and I thought he'd been shot and left for dead before, that picture where he's sticking his fingers up at the camers, so couldn't this be what he's talking about.

[svendust]

Think you're clutching at straws on some of the points but most of them make sense, especially the lyrics surely not all of them are coincidental theres just too many.

Thanks for posting all that info was meaning to look into his death but as i said earlier you can't believe everything you read on the net and i'm just too damn lazy.

[Highway Penguin]

Wow you put a lot of effort into that. The 7's thing is kinda cool, but odd. A few of those things seem really read into though. Like the Art of War book, and the 7 thing. I don't know.

[dorval]

we should believe he's alive to make razor's effort worthy...eheh :D...kidding it's complicated razor

[Jonny2J]

all that 7 year shit was blown outta the window when "surprisingly" Pac never came back from the dead

[Gun_Runner]

in the song Runnin'(Dying To Live) just after 2pac raps his verse if u listen really really hard ull hear 2pac sayin "right now im in Maui, and i cant wait for Biggie 2 come back again"
I have a audio file and its 2pac speakin and at the end of it he says" the prodigal son has returned, Im alive the ghost is walking around"

I can understand why a man like him would want 2 escape all the attention of the media and the 'gangsta' lifestyle ......he was also up for charges of rape

and on September 14th (1 day after he died) supposedly he was cremated , which i dnt think could happen because it was a murder and there would have to have been a post mortum


altho theres so much info about him being alive im still not too sure about it

[LiamK]

Sorry for digging up old topics, but apparently it's better than creating new ones.

Who's watched the 9/11 conspiracies program on Channel 4?

[tom pain]

Who's watched the 9/11 conspiracies program on Channel 4?

I did. Didn't believe it though. Especially the part about the dynamite. I saw another program ages ago that showed that the way the towers were built, after the floors were blown away the walls weren't strong enough to support the weight of the above floors, and thus folded over each other.

[-=[101st]=-]

yea i saw that too.. i did not watch the 9/11 program, but i still think that there were no conspiracys with 9/11 it is propostorus to think that there was...

[LiamK]

Could this change your mind? (http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php)

[o0oGedo0o]

nice link liamk, i liked the "this is the new shit" thing, i don't really know what happened back there but whatever happened, whoever planned this, is surely sick

[tom pain]

Could this change your mind? (http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php)

That's a cool video. It made me wonder that if it's true, why did the FBI take the 9/11 videos and cover them up, but let the Benjamin Zapruder video out? There is a bullet in that video that clearly travels from right to left, going against what the government said.

[Harry-Kewell]

Could this change your mind? (http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php)

Freaky!

I’ve read about the pentagon conspiracies on numerous sites, things just don’t add up. The US (CIA, FBI) are hiding the truth, no doubt.

Why did they discard all the cameras? They let us see what hit the towers, so why not let us see what hit the pentagon? What happened to the plane then and all the passengers that were on it? Scary shit.

[-=[101st]=-]

i will watch it later.. but.. it might change my mind.. i will let ya know..

[Fisherman]

9/11 is over, It was probably known about blah blah blah

So what, Don't be distracted by this BS and worry about the things that will really effect you.

[Highway Penguin]

I realize that it might not have effected you directly, but it did effect the people close to all of the people who died that day. You can never say something is done with when it comes to death because of terrorism People were killed because they were in that building at that time. I didn't get directly effected, but people did. Don't be so ignorant. They won't have thier son, husband, dad, wife, mother, brother-in-law, etc cause of some jackasses who didn't like our country. I don't see why you want to just forget that.

[-=[101st]=-]

that my friends is propaganda... i dont know what to believe...

[Travis Bickle]

Could this change your mind? (http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php)


Its rubbish, nobody knows what would happen to a 60 tonne plane travelling at over 500 mile an hour carrying over 5300 gallons of fuel directly hitting the most reinforced building in the World. Well we do now 'cause it happened at the Pentagon.

You have a recorded flight path and eyewitness reports of the plane hitting the building or you've got a guy saying in my opinion this wouldn't happen, everyone should grow up and have some respect for the people that died.

[rebusrahman]

Have you heard the con theory about Bush?
I couldn't believe it when I heard myself but...

apparently he has a brain!

[tom pain]

Have you heard the con theory about Bush?
I couldn't believe it when I heard myself but...

apparently he has a brain!

:eek: Now your just bull-shi**ing us. ;)

[Fisherman]

I realize that it might not have effected you directly, but it did effect the people close to all of the people who died that day. You can never say something is done with when it comes to death because of terrorism People were killed because they were in that building at that time. I didn't get directly effected, but people did. Don't be so ignorant. They won't have thier son, husband, dad, wife, mother, brother-in-law, etc cause of some jackasses who didn't like our country. I don't see why you want to just forget that.

So let them deal with it because what they know now is probably all they would know, Can anyone see it be admitted?

But films and programmes on TV talking about this 3 years after it happened is just a distraction.

If it takes this long to convince people of the obvious, Then who is going to question the other terrorists attacks that happen every couple of weeks.

[Singh]

I did see the 9/11 conspirace thories on channel 4 yesterday it was shocking to see what some ppl reckoned happend i.e. there were bombs in the buildings and they exploded just when the planes hit the buliding however that is IMO total nonsense. ppl could argue how come the buildings fell so easily to the ground?. Although the pentagon incident isnt as straight forward wheres the bits of plane? not much damage how come? that site that was posted by liamk poses alot of questions.

[ChelseaDave]

Why would the American government do that to their own people.

Bullshit i reckon.

[Singh]

Why would the American government do that to their own people.

Bullshit i reckon.


yea innit thats a bit far killing thousands of ppl of your own country...

[garyvann]

Why did they kill JFK? For power, money. Do you think Bush did any thing for his people?

I just read some article today that he lied about he blocked legislation for patients' right to sue while he was governer of Texas. Cold blooded! He just does not care. Ameriacans are fools!! "What's a few thousand people? They are going to die someday anyway! hahaha!"

No 911, he will surely has got no chance to win!

[Singh]

What's a few thousand people? They are going to die someday anyway! hahaha!"

u cant say crap like that, try telling the families of the ones who dies in 9/11! ppl these days

every1 entiled to own opioin but u step the line

[tom pain]

u cant say crap like that, try telling the families of the ones who dies in 9/11! ppl these days

every1 entiled to own opioin but u step the line

He said:

"What's a few thousand people? They are going to die someday anyway! hahaha!"

I think the speech makrs either side indicate that is not what he thinks, but what he believes George W Bush thinks.

Though I may be wrong....

[garyvann]

u cant say crap like that, try telling the families of the ones who dies in 9/11! ppl these days

every1 entiled to own opioin but u step the line

I mean that would probably be what Bush think if that's he who plan 911!

FOOL!!

[Singh]

oh ok lol my mistake^^^

[garyvann]

oh ok lol my mistake^^^

thank you.

[Fisherman]

yea innit thats a bit far killing thousands of ppl of your own country...

When you are desperate, You are willing to sacrifice

[tom pain]

When you are desperate, You are willing to sacrifice

Or, to quote Fight Club - "To make an omelette, you have to break a few eggs."

[Singh]

Or, to quote Fight Club - "To make an omelette, you have to break a few eggs."


dont u think to many eggs are being broken already in reagards to say bush had planned 9/11 attacks?

[tom pain]

dont u think to many eggs are being broken already in reagards to say bush had planned 9/11 attacks?

The programme on the other night said that if America was the victim of a terrorist action, then that would be the catalyst to enable America to become the most powerful country in the world. It would lead them to war, and from their they could get oil or something like that. So to 'sacrifice' a few civilians to gain that, while it seems like a sick and twisted idea, might have been possible.

[Singh]

The programme on the other night said that if America was the victim of a terrorist action, then that would be the catalyst to enable America to become the most powerful country in the world. It would lead them to war, and from their they could get oil or something like that. So to 'sacrifice' a few civilians to gain that, while it seems like a sick and twisted idea, might have been possible.


yep your totally right that bush needed any excuse to start a war, tommorow marks an anniversary of the horrific events.however if u and other ppl are right that bush caused it he must have one hell of a dirty consence

[tom pain]

however if u and other ppl are right that bush caused it he must have one hell of a dirty consence

I don't think that he decided to do it. I believe that the government may have planned it, but used his speeches and public apperances to cover it up. Maybe he isn't aware that it was planned - that he was kept in the dark to avoid any unintentional giveaways.

[LiamK]

The general consensus amongst the believers of these 9/11 conspiracies is that September 11th Attacks were planned by the Government to serve as a justification to go to war with Afghanistan and Iraq.

These wars then serve to re-elect President Bush, as the people of America will not want to change leaders midway through the 'War on Terror'. Then the Americans and her allies can make billions by transporting the vast amounts of oil from the oil field of Iraq.

However, this conspiracy relies on the fact that the Government would demolish a section of the Pentagon, the World Trade Centre, 4 Boeing 747 airplanes and kill over 3,000 American citizens, just for the Iraqi oil.

[50!]

Im not sure if the Americans are sick enough to kill 3000 people just for oil. I know the world is running out of oil and it is very expensive but i really dont think the U.S Government is thta desperate to kill 3,000 people when they have so much money as it is to buy oil.

[Fisherman]

Oil is the blood of this 'western' way of life, If they don't have enough of it then alot more than 3'000 people would die, Belive me

When you are bleeding, You don't need to lose every drop of blood to die

[Travis Bickle]

These wars then serve to re-elect President Bush, as the people of America will not want to change leaders midway through the 'War on Terror'. Then the Americans and her allies can make billions by transporting the vast amounts of oil from the oil field of Iraq.

*cynical laugh* As if We're going to make any money out of this war!

And 50! its more control of oil supplies over cost and availability, just power mad Yanks.

[fatsooo25]

shu up travis just cos u r a scally and reakonj u r well hard lol, get out of stockport!!!!!!

[dorval]

The general consensus amongst the believers of these 9/11 conspiracies is that September 11th Attacks were planned by the Government to serve as a justification to go to war with Afghanistan and Iraq.

These wars then serve to re-elect President Bush, as the people of America will not want to change leaders midway through the 'War on Terror'. Then the Americans and her allies can make billions by transporting the vast amounts of oil from the oil field of Iraq.

However, this conspiracy relies on the fact that the Government would demolish a section of the Pentagon, the World Trade Centre, 4 Boeing 747 airplanes and kill over 3,000 American citizens, just for the Iraqi oil.

I have my doubts LiamK...I could've been planned...Especially, after having watched Fahrenheit 9/11...I was shocked, I got really really upset!! F*ck*ng world we live in!

[soccer_ster_7]

I just want all this to go away...terrorism...i know that is impossible cause what do terrorist have to lose. The world will soon come to an end and trying to fix this is a big waste of time. There is nothing that can stop them. That is what i think about this shit.

[garyvann]

Hey, the guy admitted himself.

“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
George W. Bush, August 5, 2004.

End of debate, HAHAHA....

[dorval]

Yeah I remember that one garyvann.Quite stupid..

[executioner]

old thread dig up time!!
What about:
Shingle Street?
Rendlesham Forest?
what are these?

[Jonny2J]

Just had a nice watch of this bad boy :)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-82095917705734983&q=dark+secrets+in+bohemian+gro ve

[mufcsean]

fuckinhell that video is long, i believe in most of things said on this thread tbt

[tomo1811]

I'd like to see some of these sites, could anyone post some links? While we are on the subject.
go to you tube. search 'loose change 2nd edition' you will not think the same again

dr david kelly .. i thought it was just me who thought that it was dodgy

hahaha executioners avatar ... makes me laugh more when im pissed...wooooo alcohol!

[tomo1811]

Im not sure if the Americans are sick enough to kill 3000 people just for oil. I know the world is running out of oil and it is very expensive but i really dont think the U.S Government is thta desperate to kill 3,000 people when they have so much money as it is to buy oil.
is that part of the cloak? that america wouldnt do it. maybe something so devious that no1 would question them any1 but them.

[Dundon's]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z-rzuXDs3c

:ninja:

[Huw]

Marilyn Munroe's death ?
Pearl Harbour

[Dundon's]

That's some can of worms you're trying to open up there kid.

All I'm going to say is on both accounts you'd better do your homework.

[Billy Minof]

Travis, you must think the world is one great place to live and that the goverment hide nothing from the people.

Moon landing?
Definately happened, after seeing that programme that someone else mentioned, I'm embarrased to think I even contemplated a conspiracy.

Diana's car crash?
People die in high speed car crashes every day just because it was an established figure in the Monarchy doesn't mean it was murder and not just a tragic death.

September 11th?
I didn't really know of the Pentagon conspiracy, it looks like a plane smashed into it to me ? I could be led to believe that there was mass knowledge of potential Sept 11th attacks but nothing was done so the Americans could retaliate and take all the oil.

Area 51?
Paranoid Americans probably have built an Area 51, but dick-alls happened because there is no such thing as Aliens

Dr. David Kelly's death?
I think Dr Kelly is dead, and its tragic and I don't want to read any conspiracies into it, he was a depressed man that took his own life.

The 'Illuminati'?


Nope don't believe in this, if this is what you are talking about, I think this guys watched devils advocate too much.


Kurt Cobain's suicide?
Clinically depressed man with drug addiction at the age where there are statistically highest suicide counts, shoots himself in the head - TRUE.

JFK and Lennon ?

Both shot by looneys, and if a man named Stone tells you otherwise punch him in the mouth.

BTW, Dundons, check your PM.:angry:

[Huw]

That's some can of worms you're trying to open up there kid.

All I'm going to say is on both accounts you'd better do your homework.
No idea about Marilyn Monroe but I have seen plenty of documentaries about Pearl Harbour - the only thing they cant agree on is how much Roosevelt and Churchill actually knew beforehand

[executioner]

Travis, you must think the world is one great place to live and that the goverment hide nothing from the people.
very smart statement here Minof, just makes you think theres a good few coverups.

[Dundon's]

Marilyn Monroe was banging the Kennedy brothers left right and center dude, she was more our less a sex toy for the mob.

Pearl harbour was 911 all over, they needed the attack to get involved in the war, this is all on record if you look in the right places. (Fucking scumbags)

[Huw]

Marilyn Monroe was banging the Kennedy brothers left right and center dude, she was more our less a sex toy for the mob.

Pearl harbour was 911 all over, they needed the attack to get involved in the war, this is all on record if you look in the right places. (Fucking scumbags)
I know that its just when you said about opening a can of worms I thought you were on about providing proof, of which I havent got any about Monroe but have heard a lot of rumours.

But Pearl Harbour was definitely not a sudden surprise attack as the history books tell us.

[executioner]

guys out of all the conspiracy theories mentioned, in your opinion which one is most likely to be true?

[Huw]

Pearl Harbour was definitely known about before it happened - the question is how much did the Americans and Churchill actually know

I believe Princess Di wasnt just killed in a car crash - a part of me thinks this is ok as I like to think that their are organisations out there that will do what ever it takes to protect our nation and the Queen (only in my opinion) is the most important person in the World - Diana publicly spoke against her and was causing massive embaressment to the Royal Family and our country.

9/11 stinks as well - are you really telling me that a few terrorists, no mmatter how well organised, can fly planes into building is USA, without the American Air Force doing something ?

[executioner]

Anyone know of the fabled "El chupacabra"? :ninja:

[Ko_nami]

Anyone know of the fabled "El chupacabra"? :ninja:

The mexican goatsucker?

[executioner]

The mexican goatsucker?
exactly, the beast that roams the night :ninja: