Eat your Greens with your whites... [Archive]

rebusrahman

13-07-2003, 16:48

Ok me... I have some suggestions. Firstly, Abdulrazak is not doing his job possibly as DMF. I have posted below my idea of what his stats should be. Does anyone agree?

Ability:
Attack 30
Defence 99
Balance 80
Stamina 95
Speed 86
Acceleration 84
Response 99
Dribble Accuracy 80
Dribble Speed 70
Short Pass Accuracy 85
Short Pass Speed 90
Long Pass Accuracy 30
Long Pass Speed 30
Shot Accuracy 30
Shot Power 30
Shot Technique 30
Header 99
Jump 99
Technique 98
Curving 30
Aggression 99
Mentality 99
Stability 99
Free Kick Accuracy 30
Team Work Ability 99

Special Abilities:
Skill 1 Positioning
Skill 2 Reaction
Skill 3 Post player
Skill 4 Marking

Injury Tolerance A

The team is just too attacking. We need to have another DMF and some SB/CBTs. I am having to play 3-5-1-1 and flood the midfield so as not to get screwed by counter attack.

Next I think LFC is too tall. He is a big fella and he seems to spill catches and find it hard to get down to balls. How about reducing his height to about 193 or so and putting his weight to the minimum?

I still do not think my stats are right. I flit in and out and have yet to find the best position for Rebus. I think there is a position as CF but it's down to the fine tuning.

Joey needs to rejig his stats a lot as I have not used him at all.

I know people are meant to be posting themselves to PESInsight Players but, Blue, could you also post the list of players you have created HERE as well pls.

Bonzo, Zyg or Proevo3 may want to rethink their long pass speed? I feel the corners are very slow.

Can blue, proevo3 and GFK be slighty less aggressive! ;-) I have had a red for Proevo and yellows and serious sliding tackles for all 3 every game!

There are positives of course!
Blue, you are an excellent captain and leader in the heart of defence. Always seems to be there to sort things out (in a Stuart Pearce sort of way).

GFK and vdub199 are good too but vdub makes the odd stray pass.

Proevo3 and bonzo make good runs but sometimes the end ball is not killer enough.

Zyg is all running and is all over the pitch a la Beckham. But like Heskey he does fall over occasionally!

Yonson99 is very good. A fine strike partner.

It is very diff when it is CPU vs CPU so I don't know how to make improvements. But I know we have to have some more DF players and change to a more sturdy formation like 4-4-2. What r peoples thoughts?

rebusrahman

13-07-2003, 16:52

By the way, I have jsut seen hit's man and will add him to the team and go to a 4-4-2 and see what happens.

BlueScouse

13-07-2003, 17:08

Yes i will see what i can do with the aggression because i have had bluescouse sent off against Real Madrid afetr 70 mins, but we still managed to win! I agree entirely with the Abdulrazak situation, he doesn't feel like a solid DMF to me and his stats need tweaking, Joey is definatley gonna have to change his stats, but that lad hasn't posted for a while so i don't think we're gonna have much luck there.

I haven't used your stats for Abdulrazak yet, but just by looking at them he seems like an improved player.

Nice one Reb!

Oh shit i've just reached 300 posts!

Zygalski

13-07-2003, 17:37

Good feedback there.

Probably best not to use me (mini-Zyg) for free kicks or corners due to my low stats for those areas.

Me falling over? Am I too fast? My balance is set very high so I'm not sure what's happening there.

If no-one uses me as a spare CF, I can change that position to DMF. Thoughts?

rebusrahman

13-07-2003, 17:51

Ok feedback time. Weeearrrrrrwaaaanggggggkkkkeee eeerrrrraaannnnngggggg!

Sorry bad joke!

Blue, perhaps if u tone down ur aggression a wee bit (I presume that is the fella that makes you foul like a bey-atch?) it would be very groovy. I will change Abdulrazak but also tone down his new aggression so he doesn't do a Roy Keane every 5 secs and see what happens. So u reached 300, eh!

Zyg, I use Proevo3 and vdub199 for free kicks. No goals yet but they compliment each other cos one has BIG power and can be used for long range and the other has more curve and technique. I may try them for corners but you and bonzo have the best long pass stats I think. When I say u fall over I mean u r shoved off the ball easily. I don't think you should be a DMF as you are not suited. If you don't mind I will change ur CF (in my option file) to CM. U r very much in the Beckham mode going everywhere and helping out all over.

Perhaps we should PM all those who wanted to be in the team (or r in the team now) to sort out what's happening. Also another idea would be to then see who the top 10 posters r who haven't submitted designs and PM them to get some more players. We need 23 players and it needs to have strength and depth. Not just 23 CFs or players who have identical stats in their chosen position.

That is why I haven't commented on some stats where they are more spread amongst the attribs. Zyg has a concentration but conversely GFK (I think) has them more spread out. Anyway, we need another keeper, we need CBTs, SBs and DMFs. We need Roman Abramovich!!!

Zygalski

13-07-2003, 18:01

I think 23 may be a little too many players. But if there is that much interest it would be great.

I've never really been sure of what exactly a CMF is for.
If a player was put as a CMF, does that mean he has to play somewhere between DMF and OMF but not as either of those two?

rebusrahman

13-07-2003, 18:10

This is my opinion...

An OMF is really a MF who is overtly played up front or can be a striker too who plays a bit deeper. Scholes, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo are good examples. A CMF usually plays OMF, SMF in the centre as CMF and prob not DMF. Becks, Zidane, Giggs, etc.

A DMF can play CMF and SMF but prob not OMF. Keane, Butt, Viera, Makelele, Silva etc.

I think u r a SMF, OMF and CMF. Look at Giggs... he is a SMF but can play CF and OMF. Becks is a SMF but can equally play OMF and CMF. Carlos is a SB but also a WG and SMF. Henry plays everywhere in attack. I don't think that CMF means you a jack of all trades and master of none. It just means you are flexible but ur stats and other positions determine ur plaing style.

I hope u understand my rambling opinion?

By the way, these people haven't submitted players and r in the top 10 posters.

timedwins7
Lisbon67Seville03
lfc nut
Nifty1Pound50

Zygalski

13-07-2003, 18:22

I get most of what you are saying.
But some of it doesn't agree with the game's definition of positions though. I think that is in the select position section of the edit player part. Pressing select shows the game's definition.
It says something like CMF can play as both DMF or OMF with different tendencies.

Slightly interesting yet annoying fact is that the guy who has recently won the last few PESTAL tournaments doesn't care about players form or preferred position and he does very well.

Yeah, Nifty has gone missing. Bring him back!
Maybe someone ask Homer J. if he is interested in joining?

BlueScouse

13-07-2003, 18:33

PES GOD seem up for it but then got off, he was gonna play in defence as a CB.

hitmanuk2k

13-07-2003, 18:44

tim has buggered off to evo-web and forgot about us...

BlueScouse

13-07-2003, 18:49

THE TW@T! He'll come running back when we beat the evo-web b@stards!

Proevo3

13-07-2003, 20:27

Dear Rebusrahman

I have read ur post about improvements to my player and after no consideration what so ever i have decided to IGNORE THEM! I'm sure u may want every player to be perfect so that ur fantasy dream team can come to life but my player is stayin exactly how i created him. i used the 1800 points how i wished to distribute them and used them to make the player close to how i play. i'm sorry if this doesn't fit the design of how u would like me to play but thats just bad luck for u. i don't wish for anyone to change their player, aslong as they're happy with him thats all that matters. let's not lose sight on what the whole point of this team is and thats for everyone to submit themselves and have a bit of fun. even if we don't win the league i don't care as long as we all have fun, i don't want a player to be submitted that i feel not attachment to.
my final word: Proevo3 is not changin! like him or hate him he's stayin how he was meant to be and thats a player with goods points AND bad points not some dream team player.

Zygalski

13-07-2003, 21:09

Hey go easy on Tim now.
He's deeply into editing WE6:FE and they have a very good editing section complete with updated kits and everything else imaginable.

Proevo, you're entitled to keep your player as he is and I don't have any probs with that.

BlueScouse

13-07-2003, 21:19

Proevo i don't find anything wrong with your player but there are a few that let the team down. You see football is a team game, not an individual game and if one person isn't good enough for the team then he is letting everyone else down.

Proevo3

13-07-2003, 21:39

i agree but that is why we want a squad of around 20 people so we can choose who is best for whatever position but i don't think it's right to go back and chane ur player jus because he may not be good enough, not everyone can be a first team player nor can everyone be a perfect player, every team has its weak areas its wot makes them individual and more realistic to real life football, if everyone changed their team to make players the best they can be then every team would be the same and wouldn't have a realistic feel to them nor would i feel connected to that team. i bet the sort of people who want every player to be perfect in their desired position are the same people who put themselves into there own game with neraly all stats at 99 instead of being realistic and representin there real selves.

rebusrahman

13-07-2003, 23:02

Proevo3? Do you have anger management problems. I made suggestions right? If u don't want to change ur player that's ur perogative. But I am making these suggestions to improve the team and not so I can have a w**k later at being so cool.

It may have escaped ur attention in ur paranoid frenzy to attack anyone who remotely critcises u, but I have criticism for my own player as well as others.

I appreciate that we shouldn't be able to endlessly tinker with our stats but if we do it once and leave it then we may well end up with a squad of shit?

But then u prob didn't have that problem as when u did ur stats they were the perfect balance and didn't need any changing. ;-)

yonson99

14-07-2003, 14:42

I kind of agree with ProEvo, though in a less angry way ;). The more people continually tweak their stats from what everyone else thinks, the more likely we are to end up with a team of identical players (for each position). Remember, everyone has 1800 points, so whether they make a 'wonky' player with a few 99s and a few 30s, or a more balanced player, technically they have the same overall ability. I have been surprised by how well some 'low stat' players actually perform, as I had been conditioned to always judge players by how many bright red stats they have. And , like ProEvo said, I think it is important that our players are slightly indicative of ourselves as players (and let's be honest, if we were being true to oursleves then probably nobody here would rate over 50 in any category (except maybe aggression :) )). Wow, too many brackets!
A team is not about one individual bringing it down, it is about everyone working together to cover each others faults and excentuating their skills.

A team is like what Rocky said about him and Adriane. " We fills gaps, y'know..."

rebusrahman

14-07-2003, 14:46

yonson99, ur a great striker and a great speaker. So what is the happy medium? I want us to play as a team (for then we are strong) but if we all spread our stats evenly we may end up like a Villa?

yonson99

16-07-2003, 09:15

Be true to yourself, but bear in mind what position you want to play. In real life, I am a fairly quick striker, good at running with the ball, so I made my character very quick, with very good dribbling and very good shooting. Tackling, long passing and heading aren't really part of my game, so I took those stats right down. Also I made a choice, in that I often take the free-kicks 'in the real world', but that was an element I decided to sacrifice in order to improve my player for his position (and my free-kicks aren't that good anyway).
Therefore I end up with a player which is a fair representation of how I play in real life, but at the same time is hopefully of some use for the Dream Team.

Zygalski

16-07-2003, 09:42

There is a case for being realistic but I believe there would be more enjoyment in winning and doing well rather than being bottom of the league like PESFAN. Maybe they wish they had fixed their stats a bit.

I have tried to make my player based partially on me and also on what is best for his positions. I could have added a scoring and lobbing stats to be more cool with scoring more but I think passing and creating chances is more important for my player which is why he has better stats for passing and the appropriate special skills.
If there was a real life dream team football tournament about to happen, I would concentrate on passing, fitness and speed rather than heading although most of what you already have is what you are good at.

rebusrahman

16-07-2003, 13:12

Well, it's not as if I play anything more than the odd friendly park game and headers and volleys. IRL, I am good at heading, corners and tackling. And also good at reading the game and people. So I have taken some of this and also created a bit. So as Zyg said I have tried to create IMO a useful player for the position. Also I am not telling people to change stats just giving my opinion. If people think I could slightly tweak my player then let me know...

And if we all want to have a laugh rather then win a few then why don't we all take part in a non-competitive sport cos they're all fluffy! ;- )

t406jaw

16-07-2003, 13:15

Originally posted by rebusrahman
Ok me... I have some suggestions. Firstly, Abdulrazak is not doing his job possibly as DMF. I have posted below my idea of what his stats should be. Does anyone agree?

Ability:
Attack 30
Defence 99
Balance 80
Stamina 95
Speed 86
Acceleration 84
Response 99
Dribble Accuracy 80
Dribble Speed 70
Short Pass Accuracy 85
Short Pass Speed 90
Long Pass Accuracy 30
Long Pass Speed 30
Shot Accuracy 30
Shot Power 30
Shot Technique 30
Header 99
Jump 99
Technique 98
Curving 30
Aggression 99
Mentality 99
Stability 99
Free Kick Accuracy 30
Team Work Ability 99

Special Abilities:
Skill 1 Positioning
Skill 2 Reaction
Skill 3 Post player
Skill 4 Marking

Injury Tolerance A

The team is just too attacking. We need to have another DMF and some SB/CBTs. I am having to play 3-5-1-1 and flood the midfield so as not to get screwed by counter attack.

Next I think LFC is too tall. He is a big fella and he seems to spill catches and find it hard to get down to balls. How about reducing his height to about 193 or so and putting his weight to the minimum?

I still do not think my stats are right. I flit in and out and have yet to find the best position for Rebus. I think there is a position as CF but it's down to the fine tuning.

Joey needs to rejig his stats a lot as I have not used him at all.

I know people are meant to be posting themselves to PESInsight Players but, Blue, could you also post the list of players you have created HERE as well pls.

Bonzo, Zyg or Proevo3 may want to rethink their long pass speed? I feel the corners are very slow.

Can blue, proevo3 and GFK be slighty less aggressive! ;-) I have had a red for Proevo and yellows and serious sliding tackles for all 3 every game!

There are positives of course!
Blue, you are an excellent captain and leader in the heart of defence. Always seems to be there to sort things out (in a Stuart Pearce sort of way).

GFK and vdub199 are good too but vdub makes the odd stray pass.

Proevo3 and bonzo make good runs but sometimes the end ball is not killer enough.

Zyg is all running and is all over the pitch a la Beckham. But like Heskey he does fall over occasionally!

Yonson99 is very good. A fine strike partner.

It is very diff when it is CPU vs CPU so I don't know how to make improvements. But I know we have to have some more DF players and change to a more sturdy formation like 4-4-2. What r peoples thoughts?

u not created me yet?

rebusrahman

16-07-2003, 13:26

I have created you mate. Ur fine... I haven't mentioned everyone have I except u? Sorry if that's the case. To be honest what I have been trying to do is find a formation that we can use first. Then experiment with the players. So I have always chosen the people with bunched stats. Anyway, there is no real criticism of your man... I need to play more games and swap people around b4 I can say anything.

Also a lot of people r unhappy with me making comments but if ur happy I let u know how I think u could improve, if at all?

t406jaw

17-07-2003, 00:41

No its just good to second opinions

rebusrahman

17-07-2003, 17:23

Thing is that everyone has a diff opinion as to what the players should be like, and thus what their player should be like, and so getting to a consensus is tres difficile! I think people should submit what they like and then it's up to the manager and coach as to who plays and which team gets us the result? After all, we wanna win, don't we?

Proevo3

20-07-2003, 11:58

Rebrusrahman in response to ur attack that my player turned out great first time, he did not but i did my tinkerin and adjusting before i put my stats on the website. perhaps if more people had tested their player before puttin them on the site then we wouldn't be havin this debate and everyone would backin their player as much as i am.
my player plays as i wanted him to and it took me time to get this right, that is why i stand by him so much as i have already put in alot of time and effort in creating him and therefore don't want to change him anymore. sorry

i just don't agree with people critising other people players (people are sayin this player is too slow, not good at shootin, needs editing here, needs editing there) i think u should only make this cristism (constructive it may be) if someone asks for any improvement ideas.

I'm being argumentive with you purely because it took me ages to get my player so that was happy with him and then u came along and criticised him for no reason.

t406jaw

20-07-2003, 13:16

I tested my for about 10-15 games

Zygalski

20-07-2003, 13:24

Fair points made by proevo3 and well said too.

My player Zyg went for an over head-kick yesterday.
One of the other few players who have gone for this move is Vassell which suggests that high shot technique is the key stat for doing these kinds of shots.

Lorenzinho

20-07-2003, 14:59

yeah i scored an overhead kick with 2 players believe it or not(not in the same game) i scored an overhead kick with one of zyg's corners and zyg scored one with a....long ball(from me). yes u heard me correct. i agree with zyg on the technique view because i have 99 and i think zyg has 95. so.....

Proevo3

27-07-2003, 18:47

i think it's pretty funny that rebusrahman thinks i need to tone down my aggression on my player because i was sent off in a match. All u guys who have read most of my post know that if i have anything in abundance it's aggression and i think if i was not to include it in my player then it would be purely criminal! lol
it could even be the one characteristic that links me the most with my player!

BlueScouse

27-07-2003, 18:53

I won't disagree there! Aggression is one of the main things a player needs, and i've said this time and time again. If a striker or a winger has high aggression then he will find it easier to break through the defence when he is attacking and defenders with high aggression will go in harder on the tackles so therefore he has a greater chance of winning the ball.
I don't like the fact that lots of people have low aggresstion, i think this is why we are poor going forward, Proevo i rated your player as one of the best on the team a while ago and i still do regard him as one of the best.

Proevo3

27-07-2003, 18:55

why thank you!
and ur not a bad big bastard striker crunchin central defender either!

BlueScouse

27-07-2003, 18:58

Cheers lad, its all down to being nasty and aggressive, you can't expect to be a little goody two shoes around the pitch and get away with it can you? Sendings off are just a natural thing in football.

jhalid

28-07-2003, 15:47

Fixed up my guy a bit... looks mor ebetter now! to be a MDF

Positions:
1-DMF
2-CMF
3-SMF

Ability:
Attack 72
Defence 97
Balance 72
Stamina 72
Speed 997
Acceleration 90
Response 76
Dribble Accuracy 80
Dribble Speed 80
Short Pass Accuracy 92
Short Pass Speed 80
Long Pass Accuracy 92
Long Pass Speed 80
Shot Accuracy 30
Shot Power 70
Shot Technique 30
Header 70
Jump 74
Technique 80
Curving 30
Aggression 72
Mentality 74
Stability 70
Free Kick Accuracy 30
Team Work Ability 90
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Special Abilities:
Skill 1 Positioning
Skill 2 Reaction
Skill 3 1-tch pass
Skill 4 Passing

Injury Tolerance A
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i hope the new stats will be more beneficial to the team!

rebusrahman

28-07-2003, 16:07

Originally posted by Proevo3
Rebrusrahman in response to ur attack that my player turned out great first time, he did not but i did my tinkerin and adjusting before i put my stats on the website. perhaps if more people had tested their player before puttin them on the site then we wouldn't be havin this debate and everyone would backin their player as much as i am.
my player plays as i wanted him to and it took me time to get this right, that is why i stand by him so much as i have already put in alot of time and effort in creating him and therefore don't want to change him anymore. sorry

i just don't agree with people critising other people players (people are sayin this player is too slow, not good at shootin, needs editing here, needs editing there) i think u should only make this cristism (constructive it may be) if someone asks for any improvement ideas.

I'm being argumentive with you purely because it took me ages to get my player so that was happy with him and then u came along and criticised him for no reason.

That's fair enough, pro, but I did do it for a reason. Just wanted to try and improve the team. But it is possible to have said what u said here first?

Zygalski

28-07-2003, 18:44

Long pass is when you use O to pass in the air and to cross the ball over long distances.

elliottume

10-08-2003, 10:59

Has anyone made me yet? And what do I need improving? Just wondering!

DeikonDhevin

11-08-2003, 14:37

How 'bout me?I'd like some feedback(and to be the team's left WG-SMF too!!!!:) )

BlueScouse

11-08-2003, 14:51

Deikon calm down lad, your asking this question too much. Why don't you go and test yourself out instead of relying on others to do it for you.

GFK

11-08-2003, 17:26

Zygalski and others i have had a holiday so i havent been on the forums for a week. But i see there has changed a lot and also a lot of new players. But mine question am i still first choice for rb/lb or is someone else better as my. Thanks!

Cheers

WTF!!! what has been done with mine avatar!??! all that white behind it blech! how can i change that??? thanks!

mellows

11-08-2003, 17:46

GFK u go into control panel and change ur background thing back how it was originally with the green an white. I think someone should post what the team looks like so far because i dont know if i am startin. Although that is difficult if there is no manager. that should get sorted out soon so we can get some idea of the startin line up

DeikonDhevin

12-08-2003, 23:11

Why don't you go and test yourself out instead of relying on others to do it for you.

hmm let's see.....maybe it's because your the "ones making the team"( don't misinterpretate(new word??? :p ) this), or mayb it's becuz I'm too lazy...
Oh I know maybe it's because I don't have my PS2 with me at the moment!!! :rolleyes: :p :p :p :p :p :p :p
And I keep asking questions so many times, because most of the times I get no answer(i'm still AnXiuz to know 'bout some Benfica playas in WE7) :cool: