just to know where we stand

[o0oGedo0o]

i just finished a novel for Tom clancy called NetForce "State of War", if i am right he states that all arabs are terrorists, that they're lower human beings like for ex:
a cop stopped an ex criminal telling him if he carries any dangerous materials guns or explosives so he said (insulted) do i look like an arab????
how can an ex criminal be insulted to be an arab? wouldn't it be better to call him terrorist??not all arabs are terrorists
just wanted to know what all people think about us

[Gunplay]

That disgusts me gedo, it really does mate.

[svendust]

It's only the characters saying it not the actual author or any real person, I doubt the author actually thinks that all arabs are terrorists, he probably just think most of them are ;)

[o0oGedo0o]

i know he despites arabs cause he's a jew, and they don't like us and i was asking what you think ... oh and it wasn't just that all the novel was full of statements like that

[Ogopa Djz]

Yo its all a matter of Knowledge.You see the American popolous believe everything on the news. I apologize for that. They think just because CNN said that Iraq's are fighting the coalition that all of them are the enemies.Its sad but look who we have for president,not exactly noble peace prize material.

[razor]

you have these kind of people running for president cause none of the lazy maericans get off their fat asses to vote. no offence ogopa - djz otr any other american on this forum but i think ony about 20% of americans vote. this is the reason why pathetic excuses for human beings like bush get elected as president.

back to the topic - its quite digraceful that but i think he was pputting that into the book cause thats probably a reaction you could get in real life.
for you to say that all jews hate arabs is just the same as tom clancy sayind all arabs are terrorist. dont you think your being a little hypocritical. also saying something like that can offend peopl on the forum so plz try not to be so ignorant and post sensibly.

[Ketsbaia]

I take it the novel is fiction? How can you claim that a book written purely based on fantasy is the gospel word of how the author feels about a certian race or religion?

[Original?]

you have these kind of people running for president cause none of the lazy maericans get off their fat asses to vote. no offence ogopa - djz otr any other american on this forum but i think ony about 20% of americans vote. this is the reason why pathetic excuses for human beings like bush get elected as president.

How is generalizing about americans any better than generalizing about arabs and jews?

dont you think your being a little hypocritical.

;)

[Ogopa Djz]

How is generalizing about americans any better than generalizing about arabs and jews?



;)

Well he's got a point.Not everyone is lazy but the population who fail to vote are really denying the country of a proper president(Jus so u all know Gore won the elections on popular vote which pretty much seals the deal,Bush got in cause his Daddy was an Ex president)

[LiamK]

Don't worry about it Gedo, we know that not all Arabs are terrorists.

The rest are rapists and child molesters.

:)

[LiamK]

Hmmm...it's occured to me I should probably make it clear that the above post was a joke.

Just incase I get called a racist by some of the stupid people on this forum who don't quite understand tongue-in-cheek comments.

[Travis Bickle]

"just to know where we stand." Whats that supposed to mean. I know you're a racist Gedo, i've seen some of your thread discussions with Gollan. I'd like to know where I stand with Muslims too, i mean am I expected to accept that I am inferior because I am not a Muslim, isn't the war on Jihad about killing the Infidel / "non-believers". You've got to look at yourself and the way particular Muslims act towards people of other races before you get on your high horse and claim this "anti-muslim" crap on all of us.

[razor]

nooooo. mate you got it all wrong.


the war on jihad is a load of shit come up by the media. it isnt a war on jihad the whole thing is a jihad. so straight away yyou can tell that the media are wrong and dont know what they are talking about. before people start saying shit like muslims are supposed to kill all non-muslims they should read up on the joihad themselves. so why dont you get an english translation iof the quran. read it and then come back and tell us what the jihad is.




abbout the earlier post where i was stereotyping americans and you said i was contradicting myself. i was stereotyping not actually saying that all americans are fat and lazy.

[Ogopa Djz]

nooooo. mate you got it all wrong.


the war on jihad is a load of shit come up by the media. it isnt a war on jihad the whole thing is a jihad. so straight away yyou can tell that the media are wrong and dont know what they are talking about. before people start saying shit like muslims are supposed to kill all non-muslims they should read up on the joihad themselves. so why dont you get an english translation iof the quran. read it and then come back and tell us what the jihad is.




abbout the earlier post where i was stereotyping americans and you said i was contradicting myself. i was stereotyping not actually saying that all americans are fat and lazy.

Majority are.And thats a fact.

[Ketsbaia]

STEP AWAY FROM THE CONVERSATION!!!!

How long before we start calling each other racists and throw abuse about?

[Travis Bickle]

nooooo. mate you got it all wrong.


the war on jihad is a load of shit come up by the media. it isnt a war on jihad the whole thing is a jihad. so straight away yyou can tell that the media are wrong and dont know what they are talking about. before people start saying shit like muslims are supposed to kill all non-muslims they should read up on the joihad themselves. so why dont you get an english translation iof the quran. read it and then come back and tell us what the jihad is.


"war on Jihad" is just a phrase used, it means conflict for the sake of "the holy war".
Also you'll find the problem is the Muslims translation of the Quran, I've heard many Muslim Clerics on television saying how these Muslim Extremists take the Quran and interpret its teaching in their own particular way so they can justify their actions. And one of these interpretations is literally "to kill all non-Muslims".

[Ogopa Djz]

STEP AWAY FROM THE CONVERSATION!!!!

How long before we start calling each other racists and throw abuse about?

who me?I was kidding.

[Ogopa Djz]

STEP AWAY FROM THE CONVERSATION!!!!

How long before we start calling each other racists and throw abuse about?

Well we cant all deny that their ins't racism everywhere if we can establish why it exists its far better than acting like it doesn't.

[Travis Bickle]

Well we cant all deny that their ins't racism everywhere if we can establish why it exists its far better than acting like it doesn't.

The way people define racism these days is wrong, it seems as if you make a statement about an Ethnic group you are termed a racist, but this is breeding race-hate because people think that the ethnic-minorities in this country are getting better treatment.

[svendust]

OOOOOhh, can I call someone racist ;)

(joke for anyone that read 'the swatika argument')


The way people define racism these days is wrong, it seems as if you make a statement about an Ethnic group you are termed a racist, but this is breeding race-hate because people think that the ethnic-minorities in this country are getting better treatment.

I think 90% of people who think along the lines that we should hate ethnic-minorities because they get better treatment than us don't genuinely hate them they just do it behind their backs to get a laugh, not that that makes it any better, it's just said as a joke just like LiamK's comment earlier, I'm sure if Liam saw a Muslim in the street he'd treat him just as well as a Christian.

[razor]

"war on Jihad" is just a phrase used, it means conflict for the sake of "the holy war".
Also you'll find the problem is the Muslims translation of the Quran, I've heard many Muslim Clerics on television saying how these Muslim Extremists take the Quran and interpret its teaching in their own particular way so they can justify their actions. And one of these interpretations is literally "to kill all non-Muslims".


exaclty! muslim extrememists. how much of the population of muslims arounfd the world arwe extrememists.


dont worry this thread wont ghave people saying racism. we are having an intelligent conversation. only immature idiots shout out racism every 5 seconds.

[Tenacious D]

Hmmm...it's occured to me I should probably make it clear that the above post was a joke.

Just incase I get called a racist by some of the stupid people on this forum who don't quite understand tongue-in-cheek comments.
i dont think its a time for a joke :rolleyes: do you?

[Ogopa Djz]

Personally i dont understand rascism or how it started. I just look at it as being ignorant.A way to say i dont like you cause someone who shares the same belief as you or shares the skin colour as you is not in my favor.So in effect all of you who share that resemblance or belief are allies thus i dislike you.Which sounds pretty stupid.

[Travis Bickle]

Personally i dont understand rascism or how it started. I just look at it as being ignorant.

I find it hard when people jump on the racism band-wagon talking about Britain. When I look at America which has Ghettos and areas where people of different colour can't go into, and the Deep South that had and I think still has a KKK following, I can see racism. But in Britain we've never had this, we've let a load of different cultures into Britain and its helped us as a Country, and this recent attitude of everyone being "racist" is just dividing the communities.

[svendust]

BTW there's a program on channel 4 right now called who you callin n*****, its about racism in Britain, I'm now going to watch it and will give you my verdict

[Ogopa Djz]

I find it hard when people jump on the racism band-wagon talking about Britain. When I look at America which has Ghettos and areas where people of different colour can't go into, and the Deep South that had and I think still has a KKK following, I can see racism. But in Britain we've never had this, we've let a load of different cultures into Britain and its helped us as a Country, and this recent attitude of everyone being "racist" is just dividing the communities.

Yeah really.America as whole is filled with intolerant people.And yes the south is still racsist,they stand for the beliefs that their grandparents stood for which were the ability to own a black slave.People tend to be afraid of change.If you ever saw "bowling for columbine" the cartoon bit was very informative and stands to me as being the truth. In the UK even when i was their i never felt the sense of racsism because truth be told Europeans in General tend to be more tolerant of different cultures. But here the smiles and shakes are all false. I always wonder when some racsist will ask themselves "whats the use or why do i believe in this".

[Lami]

Well, about Gedo, he didnt say "all jews". he said the author is a jew and he thought thats prolly why crap about arabs is mentioned in there, coz the fact is, most jews do dis-like arabs, many historic reasons, nothin discriminatory or racist from Gedo's side. "war on jihad" and "holy war" have no relation at all. Sorry but the media just enjoy manipulatin people's minds and convince them that "jihad" for some reason means "holy war". If any person who believes the media on this, he/she must be ignorant enough to believe it. I'll translate it for you people to make it clear enough. Holy = Moqadasa (arabic), War = Harb (arabic), therefore, Holy war should mean Harb moqadasa, not Jihad! Jihad has a totally different meaning. Jihad simply means doing ur best, as in puttin so much effort in what u wana do, whether in football, studying, cuttin trees, dating, whatever! Now, how does Jihad have ANYTHING to do with Holy war??? i guess if everyone can read, watch, and listen to whats beyond the crap media gives us, we'd know whats goin around in this world; what the real plan is.

EDIT: oh and i forgot to mention, why does it seem like people think arabs are muslims? :rolleyes: well incase you don't know, Arabs can be muslims, christians, and jews. For example, lebanon, the population is half muslims, half christians. Pakistan, and Iran, non arabs, but mainly muslims.

[Ogopa Djz]

Lami speaks da truff. Thing is were trying to undertstand why it exists. Its puzzling really that someone can hate someone for the colour of their skin and not their true person. :rolleyes:

[Lami]

Lami speaks da truff. Thing is were trying to undertstand why it exists. Its puzzling really that someone can hate someone for the colour of their skin and not their true person. :rolleyes:
Well mate, in muslims beliefs, its the Devil who creates that in us, to create hate and whatsoever evil, coz thats his job and thats why he exists. I guess thats what other religions believe too.

[Original?]

Everyone makes prejudgements, ergo everyone is prejudice in some form, any type of prejudice is as bad as any other.

'The Racist Hate Squad' are quite likely the type of people that would take the piss out of someone because they were fat or a geek. People judge on a appearances and it's something that can not and will not be changed. The trouble comes when people act upon those prejudices and refuse to have them challenged.

I do it myself, I see someone walking down the road in a burbury cap and a matching tracksuit I immediately think 'twat'. Though if I actually got talking to him and found him to be a nice enough guy fair enough. So before you start throwing around criticsms like racist think about yourself first.

Ogopa, racism stems from human's natural fear of that which they do not know and/or understand.

By the way, Islam is a faith not a race, therefore being prejudice against islam is not actually being racist.

The scourge of the earth are the stupid and the ignorant.

[razor]

Well, about Gedo, he didnt say "all jews". he said the author is a jew and he thought thats prolly why crap about arabs is mentioned in there, coz the fact is, most jews do dis-like arabs, many historic reasons, nothin discriminatory or racist from Gedo's side. "war on jihad" and "holy war" have no relation at all. Sorry but the media just enjoy manipulatin people's minds and convince them that "jihad" for some reason means "holy war". If any person who believes the media on this, he/she must be ignorant enough to believe it. I'll translate it for you people to make it clear enough. Holy = Moqadasa (arabic), War = Harb (arabic), therefore, Holy war should mean Harb moqadasa, not Jihad! Jihad has a totally different meaning. Jihad simply means doing ur best, as in puttin so much effort in what u wana do, whether in football, studying, cuttin trees, dating, whatever! Now, how does Jihad have ANYTHING to do with Holy war??? i guess if everyone can read, watch, and listen to whats beyond the crap media gives us, we'd know whats goin around in this world; what the real plan is.


how can you distinguish an araab from say someone in iran?

EDIT: oh and i forgot to mention, why does it seem like people think arabs are muslims? :rolleyes: well incase you don't know, Arabs can be muslims, christians, and jews. For example, lebanon, the population is half muslims, half christians. Pakistan, and Iran, non arabs, but mainly muslims.

[svendust]

BTW there's a program on channel 4 right now called who you callin n*****, its about racism in Britain, I'm now going to watch it and will give you my verdict

:eek:

Can't believe some of what I saw, living in Ipswich I don't see anything like the racial hatred shown and was truely shocked. It shew a group of Pakistani youths that said things like ' twenty years ago there weren't any Pakis over here' 'In another twenty years this will be Pakistan, England will be Pakistan we're shipping them over, illegal passports man', it's not the fact that in twenty years England will be Pakistan that shocks me because I don't believe it will but what shocks me is that this group of twentyish year old Muslims (yes they are Muslims I'm not just saying that because they're Asian) believe that and really want it to happen more than anything and the reason why they want it is because of their hatred for the black and white people that are supposed to hate them, fair enough there are a few black/white people that hate the Pakistanis but most couldn't give a shit and wouldn't waste their time hating them but its the few that do ahte the Pakistanis that make them paranoid and believe that they all hate them and from what I saw on the program there wasn't one Pakistani that wasn't racist in one way or another, every generation was racist, the 40 year old Pakistani business man was saying how he didn't like West Indian people because he believed they were lazy and bragged about how hard working Pakistani people are and when the interviewer said ''did you know that Asian people have the highest rate of heart at tacks inthe country'' he replied at least we don't die of drugs''. The bunch of youth Pakistanis also were saying that if they saw a black man they'd 'mash him up' and even threatned to 'mash up' the presenter (who was a West Indian and a brave one at that) and his crew.
The second half of the progrm was even more socking as it went to one of the roughest parts of London, Woolwich, and documented on the fighting between West Indians ad Somalians (both black). They met a boy called Jobi (West I.) who got his head bricked in by a group of Somalians and was very close to dying and he spoke about how the Somalian people are 'dirt' and the West Indian people feel as if they have to clean up after this 'dirt'. I, much like the presenter, couldn't understand why the hell the two were fighting seeing as they're both black but I think it all comes down to the Somalians not having faith in any people outside of their own because of the war and poverty they grew up in and they believe that the West Indians are just as bad as the people they were fighting against in Somalia, which is sort of why the Pakistanis hate the Blacks, because they think that they are all as bad as one another.
There seems to be no real solution to this problem of racial hatred all over the world and it can only become more of a problem as long as there are people like the Pakistani youths in Birmingham and the Somalians (the ones in the documentary, not in general) that despise other races and spread their hatred through their community making it stronger and stronger and eventually the hatred turns into discrimination then intimidation then violence and then what? We could solve the problem by talking about it but the situation with most has already got to the intimidation and violence stages so talking is not and option, the police have lost all respect and are hated by all the people involved in racial conflict as they think the police are against them or on the other races side, so maybe the Government should do something about it but what can they do?

[Ogopa Djz]

Everyone makes prejudgements, ergo everyone is prejudice in some form, any type of prejudice is as bad as any other.

'The Racist Hate Squad' are quite likely the type of people that would take the piss out of someone because they were fat or a geek. People judge on a appearances and it's something that can not and will not be changed. The trouble comes when people act upon those prejudices and refuse to have them challenged.

I do it myself, I see someone walking down the road in a burbury cap and a matching tracksuit I immediately think 'twat'. Though if I actually got talking to him and found him to be a nice enough guy fair enough. So before you start throwing around criticsms like racist think about yourself first.

Ogopa, racism stems from human's natural fear of that which they do not know and/or understand.

By the way, Islam is a faith not a race, therefore being prejudice against islam is not actually being racist.

The scourge of the earth are the stupid and the ignorant.
True.It'll never change.They way things are looking now with Bush and his war against terrorism it'll soon be more specific as Muslims against Americans.

[Lami]

how can you distinguish an araab from say someone in iran?

razor, i guess this is your question? coz i found it in my post... :rolleyes:
well anyway we distinguish by the language, an arab speaks arabic, whereas iranians speak persian, which arabs dont understand. I guess you cannot distinguish unless you know one of the languages or live in the area :) Just like i cannot tell the difference between germans, swedes, danish and dutch people. They all look the same to me, and maybe sound the same. It's normal

[o0oGedo0o]

thanks lami for clearing things i wanted to say but didn't have the time, so you said you read some racist posts from me to gollan? i would like you to tell me one? quote me on this and if you read all his posts i think you'll find them more racist than mine,and i believe it was him who said that i am not racist and more understanding than some other user who disagreed with him ... and someone here asked : i wanted to know what you think of us "westerns" or non-muslims do you really think we want to kill every non-muslim? don't you know that christians live in all our countries in peace and some of my best friends here are christians? do you really think that we look at the person by his religion? i know that a lot of americans didn't agree on these wars or whatever and they hate the full support to israel and they protest so do you think we're supposed to hate americans? though that they're few but there were some israelis who want peace i see pics of them on the news staying with palestinian leaders wearing palestinian/israeli flags badges ... so don't you think that i am racist or that i generalize and pre-judge cause that shows how shallow you are

[gollan]

The only thing I want to know is where did you come with the bullshit assupmtion that Clancy is a jew? Because he isn't - for a fact.
Wouldn't it be really convenient that any anti-muslim remark will be made by a jew?
Chill people.

[Newbie]

A couple of arabs are enjoyable people, though you have a hard time finding them ... All the idiots are ontop now ...

[Newbie]

Sorry if some people might find that racist ... Actually, quite a lot of arabs are nice and friendly.
(Racist the post ontop)

[Lami]

hehehe, i dont care about ignorant foolistics :rolleyes: Zinedine Zidane: best player in the world: arab and a muslim. I bet most of you didnt even know he is. Lots of racists love him eventhough he is what he is, but its his talent that diminish the irony. It's sad, yet it's ironic.

[Travis Bickle]

don't you know that christians live in all our countries in peace and some of my best friends here are christians? do you really think that we look at the person by his religion?

Well you've just answered your own question there. You ask if I think you look at a person by his religion but you make the comment of having "Chritian" friends in the same sentence. "I live next door to a Pakistani family, I can't be racist."



i know that a lot of americans didn't agree on these wars or whatever and they hate the full support to israel and they protest so do you think we're supposed to hate americans? though that they're few but there were some israelis who want peace i see pics of them on the news staying with palestinian leaders wearing palestinian/israeli flags badges ... so don't you think that i am racist or that i generalize and pre-judge cause that shows how shallow you are

Shallow, you hurt my feelings, this is where your conversations with Gollan seem to go, you may agree to disagree with what he says but you have to add some derogatory comment at the end. Be it ignorant, shallow, bigoted there has to be some reason why the other Person doesn't share the same opinion as yourself.

And about the true meaning of the word "jihad", what I learnt at school was it was "the struggle to lead a good life", but some Muslims have used it to be a justification for War. In the same way that the Swaztika is a universal term for love and peace but some people use it to distinguish other beliefs.

[LiamK]

i dont think its a time for a joke :rolleyes: do you?

Please, shut up.

What? So I'm supposed to take this topic deadly seriously? It's a laughable topic anyway, with our without my earlier comment.

Giving these racism threads the respect to be serious in them just encourages the racial stupidity in this forum.

Gedo comes on here, asking, seriously, whether the western-world thinks that all arabs are terrorists.

And I'm supposed to take that seriously?

No tongue-in-cheek comments allowed in threads about racism, you heard it here first folks.

[gollan]

Rock on the Casbah LiamK. Just reminds my last visit to a Casbah.....

I was wearing uniform dodging bullets LOL

[o0oGedo0o]

gollan it was an american guy who i asked once why tom clancy says those things so he said it's because he's a jew that's how i came up with this idea ... and the person i asked wasn't arab or muslim and actualy he had the same opinions as tom clancy so that's why i took his word for it and sorry if it was wrong, and liam k why do you think i am asking this, our generation is the one supposed to rule this earth for the next 40 years we are supposed to settle world peace so i was asking if the media has that effect on people cause they fill us with bullshit so we can hate eachother so another multi-million fat ass sits in his office and gain more money from his stories on the cable news or from selling weapons, and because i am living away from america i don't know how americans think, so i ask ... it's simple ad why i thought about this the first place was because this story is a best seller and actually i enjoyed it a lot so if every teenager reads it and likes it maybe they will think the same way if you really think this i mean my topic is stupid then it's your prob the fact is it's dead serious to me cause i want to know what should i expect in the futur and i have a lot of my relatives who has american citizenship but sometimes they say it's normal there and sometimes it's bad