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You mean to say you believe inter were one of the cheating teams in the scandal as well?
I don't believe it, I know it. It was plain as day in 2006 but we all know what they did and what subsequently happened.
Man it says it all who is special when you are puting jose in the same bracket as Ferguson,Cappello after just 9 years of management.
At porto in 2.5yrs.
* Portuguese Liga (2): 2002–03, 2003–04
* Portuguese Cup (1): 2002–03
* Portuguese SuperCup (1): 2003
* UEFA Cup (1): 2002–03
* UEFA Champions League (1): 2003–04
3 yrs at chelsea
* FA Premier League (2): 2004–05, 2005–06
* FA Cup (1): 2006–07
* League Cup (2): 2004–05, 2006–07
* FA Community Shield (1): 2005
He did 2 Cl semi finals one which he lost on penalties and one on a that we still do not know if it was a goal,just saying this because you said porto winning it was a strange season as if implying they did it by kuck but luck is needed in CL.
One year at italy
* Serie A (1): 2008–09
* Supercoppa Italiana (1): 2008
Now when team is as hated as inter is and have been champions for 3 yrs all teams will do their best so he deserves some credit.
It was a goal!! :ninja:
Meyyappan
28-04-2010, 14:04
I don't believe it, I know it. It was plain as day in 2006 but we all know what they did and what subsequently happened.
I do not know surely milan and juve were more powerful than Inter so if inter escaped why did the other two not do as well?
I do not know surely milan and juve were more powerful than Inter so if inter escaped why did the other two not do as well?
Go and read the Calciopoli thraed from start to finish. Its there for a reason and the answer to your question is pretty obvious - and mentioned in there multiple times.
http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=40155
Billy Minof
29-04-2010, 09:50
Congrats lads. :)
Meyyappan
29-04-2010, 14:54
There are times when the hype about Jose Mourinho is frustrating and cliched, there are times when it is fully deserved. Tonight was the latter in one of the great defensive performances in recent footballing history.
Barcelona reverted to their ‘traditional’ 4-3-3 they had persisted with until recently, with a midfield trio of Busquets-Keita-Xavi, Yaya Toure in defence, and Gabriel Milito surprisingly pushed out to left-back. Pedro Rodriguez stayed wide-left, Lionel Messi cut in from the right, Zlatan Ibrahimovic was the striker.
Inter’s line-up initially looked to be unchanged from the first leg, but a change after the warm-ups saw Cristian Chivu replacing Goran Pandev – a surprise given the nature of the switch, but one predicted in ZM’s preview. They played a lopsided 4-2-3-1, with Samuel Eto’o high up on the right-hand side, and Christian Chivu playing in front of Javier Zanetti, blocking the runs forward of Dani Alves.
An inevitable point given the nature of this site’s previews for the two legs and the report on the first game, but one must question Pep Guardiola’s inclusion of Zlatan Ibrahimovic. He was surprisingly deployed last week at the San Siro, and it resoundingly failed – and rather than learn his lesson from the first leg, Guardiola again included Ibrahimovic to little effect. That’s not to say that the Swede was useless – he wasn’t, but Barcelona struggled to get the ball to him in a static central position, because of the presence of Lucio and Walter Samuel.
The key moment of the game was unquestionably the sending-off of Thiago Motta. Although Inter’s display for the rest of the game consisted of putting all their men behind the ball and defending deep, one must note the fact that Mourinho didn’t turn to the bench after the sending-off. Many managers would have removed one of the three attacking players in favour of another holding player (considering it was a central midfielder that was dismissed), but Mourinho instead shifted Chivu inside, switched Eto’o to the left, and moved Diego Milito to the right-hand side.
Immediately after Thiago Motta was dismissed
The result was a 4-5-0 where Wesley Sneijder was generally the furthest forward player, rather than the two strikers who often found themselves defending deep in their own full-back zones. In this respect, Inter were not controlling the ball, but they were still controlling the space. The two lines of four covered the width of the pitch on the edge of Inter’s area, but Sneijder’s presence ahead of those lines made it slightly more difficult for Barca to create in that deep-lying, central position. Xavi and Busquets still dominated the ball, of course, but they were forced to shift it wide to Alves (who had a poor game) or Gabriel Milito, who was not comfortable on the ball.
And when Barcelona got the ball wide, it was surprising how rarely they looked to create an overlap. With Messi drifting in from a right-sided position and Milito offering no attacking threat, Barcelona only had two players stationed in wide positions - Alves on the right, Pedro on the left. Alves was met by Zanetti with the rest of the side shifting across to cover the space. Pedro was met by Maicon, with the same effect. But the other eight outfield players all remained between the ball and the play when this happened – the lack of an overlap meant that none of the Inter players were never drawn outside by a decoy run. Barca always had ten players to get past, and their tendency to shoot from long-range demonstrated the fact that they were simply finding it impossible to play through Inter.
Of course, the sending-off meant that Inter found it very difficult to get bodies forward in attack, but this contributed to their defensive ability. Not only were their forward players forced to do less running up and down the pitch, their defensive players were able to hold their shape easier. They were able to sit deep – there was no space in behind for Barcelona’s pacey players to exploit, nor was there any space between the lines for Messi to work his magic in. It also meant that it was near-impossible for Barcelona to play their favourite ball – the one from central midfield between the opposition centre-back and full-back, for a wide players running onto the ball, because the angle was simply too acute.*
As is customary when a good ‘footballing’ side struggle against a good defensive side, Barcelona were accused of having no ‘Plan B’ by the (British) commentary team. Aside from the obvious sheer hypocrisy that stems from simultaneously criticizing Barcelona in this respect whilst marvelling at their patience that proved victorious against Chelsea last season, this somewhat misses the point. In the final half hour, playing exclusively through small, quick, tricky players (a front four of Jeffren, Pedro, Messi and Bojan) was Barcelona’s plan B. Their plan A had been playing through Ibrahimovic – they’d created a good chance in the first half by simply lofting towards him in the box, where his knock-down found Pedro.
We then come back to the idea that, as proposed in the preview, Guardiola surely should have played it the other way around – the small, tricky players to start the game and wear Inter down, then Ibrahimovic to come on and provide a more direct threat late on. Certainly, when you’re withdrawing your 6′ forward for a 5′7 winger – and then shoving your 6′ centre-back upfront to compensate, you’ve probably got muddled somewhere, ignoring the sheer brilliance of Pique’s goal.
In Inverting The Pyramid, Jonathan Wilson explains how Arrigo Sacchi once demonstrated in a training session how five organised players could hold out against ten disorganised ones – taking his Milan back five of Galli, Tassotti, Costacurta, Baresi and Maldini and pitching them against the club’s best ten attacking players. The 15-minute game finished scoreless, despite the attacking talents of the likes of Gullit, van Basten, Rijkaard, Ancelotti and Donadoni. This game was a match version of that. Barcelona completed 555 passes compared to Inter’s 67, and produced the most dominant display of possession in European competition this year, 86%. And yet, for all that – how many times did they actually get the ball into serious goalscoring positions?
This was a match that wasn’t won by individual performances (although the likes of Lucio and Esteban Cambiasso were superb), or by player v player battles on the pitch, it was won by the understanding between the nine outfield Inter players. Mourinho will probably be asked tonight about his late pre-game switch, his post-match celebration and his thoughts on the Barcelona fans, but hopefully he will also be asked to expand on quite how he managed to set his team out to withstand that amount of pressure. It outfoxed a manager as talented as Guardiola and negated the ability of Messi and Xavi to create – without ever seeking to deprive them of getting the ball. Mourinho’s approach was not to man-mark, and not to press high up the pitch, but instead to sit deep, use strict zonal marking and only pressure the Barcelona players within 25 yards of the Inter goal. Easier said than done, and to pull it off against such great players requires a brilliant tactical brain from the manager, combined with intelligent players and hours of work on the training ground.
It could have all been so different had Bojan’s last minute ‘goal’ not been disallowed for a contentious handball decision, and whilst the result of the tie would have changed, the tactical analysis would have not. Inter were defensively superb tonight and over the course of the tie, deserved to go through. It’s easy when looking at football games – especially for a website like this – to simply say that the winning manager got it right, and the losing one got it wrong – but it’s hard to argue in this case. Mourinho remains the master, and tactics remain the key to winning football games.
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That 2nd goal would have changed the tactical analysis. Inter were never going to come back from that, even if Barcelona had scored 2 in the opening 10 minutes. It would have been enough for the win, and Inter would rightly be vilified and denigrated for one of the most shocking displays of something that was less attacking than the catenaccio they used to play back in the days, even before Thiago Motta was rightly sent off, maybe with the wrong initial color but does it matter?
A handball defense is what it is. Mourinho is called a tactical genius (to be fair something I find easier to swallow as when they call Rafa Benitez a tactical genius, which is and was a blatant lie) for a very basic tactical concept. Keep Xavi and Messi quiet in the middle, leave a little room on the sides and just kick every ball forward.
Chelsea got shafted a while back and now Barcelona is disallowed a goal that sees them through to the final.
EDIT: Why is Ancelotti called an attacking talent?
ThaReaper01
29-04-2010, 15:10
*cough* Karma *cough*
Billy Minof
29-04-2010, 15:36
Chelsea got shafted a while back and now Barcelona is disallowed a goal that sees them through to the final.
It was a handball, he might not have meant it but his hand hit the ball(not ball to hand) and changed the direction that the ball would have went, I have seen them given and not given but there is no right or wrong decision on it its just 50/50 and the refs call. In my eyes he made the correct decision.
How can you say that was handball?
It clearly hit his stomach/torso, there was no way that he could have moved his hand in time, and even if it did hit his hand where it was, it still would have bounced in exactly the same manner as if it hit him in the stomach, so I for one do not understand that call.
Billy Minof
29-04-2010, 16:12
How can you say that was handball?
It clearly hit his stomach/torso, there was no way that he could have moved his hand in time, and even if it did hit his hand where it was, it still would have bounced in exactly the same manner as if it hit him in the stomach, so I for one do not understand that call.
First answer....because it hit his hand.
If you watch it his hand moved into his stomach and towards the ball by his momentum, I never said he meant to do it im just saying what happened.....im not getting into it because everyone knows I dont like Barca and me saying this sounds biased but I can see why the ref called a handball.
But you saying it is hand ball and not ball to hand is ridiculous because how could he have moved his hand? Its not like his hand was flailing about in the air when it hit him, it wasn't even by his side when it hit him, it was in the place where a handball call is its most ridiculous, unless its behind his back of course.
I personally think you are being biased, but hey if you say you aren't who am I to argue ;)
I don't care what planet you live on, he didn't have time to react - ball to hand. It isn't even as though his hands were somewhere they should have been (like over his head).
Original?
29-04-2010, 22:26
Ball to hand? Could someone point out this term in the laws of the game? What I believe they do say is about intent but ball to hand is an irritating term.
Barry, before Motta got sent off who was attacking? Don't let your feelings get in the way.
I'd be hard pressed to call it "attacking", I'm from Holland for Christ's sake! If you don't score you will be labeled 'boring' and 'Italian' by default.
All jesting aside, the intent was clear from the start when Inter started wasting time. Even before the red card, there was a clear emphasis on defending and hoisting the ball forward. I didn't even know Sneijder was in the game until the 20th minute.
Plus, I've rarely if ever seen games where the (presumed) weaker side didn't get at least one decent-to-good chance at a goal. What I'm trying to say, is that every once in a while Inter was going to be on Barca's half.
Well I don;t blame Inter at all.
What is the point in going out there and trying to out play Barca, when you know you can't? Why not play to your strengths?
If Inter went out there and tried to play, they'd have lost and all they would have got is a, "at least they tried".
Instead they played to their strengths and are in a Champions League final.
I know which one sounds more appealing ot me.
Inter wouldn't have lost if they'd played normally. They would have gone ahead for sure and then been able to sit back on a 4-1 lead.
It just means they'd have spent less time sitting back. Cambiasso and Zanetti knew how to contain Messi and it allowed others to shut down Xavi.
Jake Small
30-04-2010, 00:05
Some people might not 'like' defending but it's part of the game, and IMO you have to hand it to Inter for a ridiculously organized and well disciplined display. If you've ever been on a pitch as a defender and tried to 'shut up shop' on a team because you have a lead, you know how much concentration, discipline, and tactical awareness it requires...
It's like telling them here's the ball, go ahead and try to score.
And Inter does this against Barcelona? With 10 men?
83% possession or something for Barca; that's nearly twice as much defending as you would have to do in a normal back-and-forth game, and this is against the most potent attack in the world. Of course having 9 men behind the ball helps.
That said, Inter can have their champion's league glory, as long as they go ahead and eff up in Serie A...
CDDRodrigo
30-04-2010, 01:13
His hand was GLUED to his torso. It can't be considered a handball. Awful refereeing in that game.
muscularmatt
30-04-2010, 03:48
...but ball to hand is an irritating term.
Agreed. I fucking loathe the term. If the ball makes contact with your hand and that in anyway changes it's direction/speed, it's a foul whether you meant it or not.
Jake Small
30-04-2010, 04:46
Ball to hand? Could someone point out this term in the laws of the game? What I believe they do say is about intent but ball to hand is an irritating term.
Shrug... the official Laws of the Game are notoriously ambiguous so why be pedantic about it?
The exact phrase "ball to hand" is not written in the rules, but it's pretty obvious that it's just a rule of thumb for determining whether a handball (also a phrase not found in the rules IIRC) was intentional or not. What's so irritating about that?
Agreed. I fucking loathe the term. If the ball makes contact with your hand and that in anyway changes it's direction/speed, it's a foul whether you meant it or not.
According to the rules, intent is actually the only thing that matters. **
**Actually, having just looked it up, there is one caveat where an unintentional handling is a foul, and that's if the player's arms are in an 'unnatural position' :erm:
uA - 1905
30-04-2010, 04:54
I don't care if he had a third arm stemming from his stomach, as soon as the ball his his hand it dropped suddenly in front of him allowing him faster and better control as opposed to if the ball had hit his stomach, in which case the ball would've bounced off his stomach and to somewhere irrelevant. For some reason he moves his left arm only towards his stomach and that allows the ball to drop straight in front of him.
Watch him move his left arm after the ball is played:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSFNhYJ31Q0
It would've been a further injustice after Motta's sending off if this goal was allowed, good thing that it wasn't.
Billy Minof
30-04-2010, 11:08
I don't care if he had a third arm stemming from his stomach, as soon as the ball his his hand it dropped suddenly in front of him allowing him faster and better control as opposed to if the ball had hit his stomach, in which case the ball would've bounced off his stomach and to somewhere irrelevant. For some reason he moves his left arm only towards his stomach and that allows the ball to drop straight in front of him.
Watch him move his left arm after the ball is played:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSFNhYJ31Q0.
Exactly. ;) Thank fcuk someone else sees the light and tells it how it was.....exactly how I said it was also, Toure had a frailing hand by his side, it came into his chest, the ball hit his hand, dropped down perfectly playing in Bojan(whistle was gone) and Bojan scored, Toure walked away straight away. Why? Because he knew why.
He handled the ball, Inter are through, Jose is Special, end of story.
ThaReaper01
01-05-2010, 10:35
Article I found on Balotelli.
Jose Mourinho seems to like controversy.
The brash attitude of the Inter Milan coach has gotten him a long way -- most recently past Barcelona and into this year's Champions League final. So it's little wonder the mercurial coach has had so much patience with 19-year-old striker Mario Balotelli, who was on the bench for the second leg of the Barcelona showdown despite a series of recent off-the-field problems.
But Mourinho's faith hasn't stopped the talented young attacker from putting himself on the fast track out of one of Europe's elite clubs, and blemishing a promising career in the bargain.
It was on the field that everything came to a head in the Balotelli saga, during last week's first leg in Milan. Balotelli came on in the second half to relieve forward Diego Milito, and proceeded to put in the most indifferent 15 minutes in recent memory in such a high-profile match. His front line teammate Samuel Eto'o -- who had played the full game -- spent that time tracking back constantly, harrying Barcelona's defenders and midfielders, and getting himself behind the ball to give Inter some defensive shape, as the Catalan side surged forward looking for an additional away goal. In the meantime Balotelli sauntered up and down the right flank, daydreaming until the ball found his feet by chance.
Balotelli's casual approach naturally earned the ire of his teammates and Inter fans, but rather than learning a lesson on work rate from his more experienced strike partner, the young attacker seemed to react by trying even less. By the final minutes he was simply a bystander at midfield.
He then made matters much worse by reacting to the crowd's jeers by thrusting his shirt onto the ground and stomping off into the locker room at the end of the game. That made two controversial shirt incidents of late for Balotelli, who last month appeared on a talk show wearing an AC Milan jersey. So you can understand why many Inter faithful would prefer he turn in the black and blue stripes for good.
Balotelli, who has scored eight goals in 24 Serie A appearances this year, is definitely among Europe's most promising young talents. But among is the operative word. His even younger teammate Davide Santon should be a constant reminder that budding stars are everywhere in European soccer. While veteran Italy coach Marcello Lippi has already given Santon the Italy call-up Balotelli so desperately craves, the coach has steered well wide of the Inter attacker and his explosive temper -- a course which seems all the wiser in light of recent events. At the club level, even Mourinho's faith in Balotelli's talents must now be near the breaking point.
Despite all that talent, if Balotelli is not willing to put in the work to become an elite player, he has little chance to break the Inter lineup, much less fulfill his explicitly stated goal of becoming the best player in the world.
In the words of former Juventus director Luciano Moggi, speaking on Italian television after last week's Champions League match: "Balotelli needs to learn to be humble. He needs to learn that talent alone will not turn you into a champion. He needs to learn to behave himself."
For instance, that Balotelli even mentions the title of "world's greatest player" reveals the level of his self-aggrandizement and adulation of those close to him. Not only is such sentiment absurd given the player's limited history of accomplishment, it's also clear Bolatelli would be much better served thinking about his game rather than the titles he wishes to earn.
It should be mentioned that the young Ghanaian-Italian has faced adverse circumstances, both in life and professional soccer. His family situation is complicated at best, and he has been a repeated target of racist chanting from some Italian fans, who seem to be finding it difficult to get used to the sight of a dark-skinned countryman. While none of that excuses the striker's apparent lack of work ethic, it certainly sheds some light on the turmoil inside the young man's head.
If Mourinho does close the door at Inter, perhaps the best move for "Super Mario" would be away from the Italian spotlight altogether. There are plenty of teams around Europe that could use his skills. It comes down to a matter of finding an environment that can benefit rather than exacerbate his excitable personality, a place where he can go beyond the potential to prove just how super he can be.
Thoughts?
I've scanned the article and I'm fuming a bit.
Just because Balotelli is black everyone immediately says any chanting about him is racist. It isn't.
Mancini knew how to handle Balotelli who showed none of his current cuntishness during Roberto's time coaching the club. Mourinho has repeatedly mishandled Balotelli although the latter should certainly take some responsibility for his behaviour. The behaviour of the Inter players toward him after his stupid actions after the first leg of the semi-final was scandalous. They were practically ready to beat him - what sort of reaction do they expect to get from him after that?
Here we have accusations of Inter fans trying to kill him:
Mario Balotelli’s agent reveals fan animosity took a potentially deadly turn. “Someone loosened the wheel nuts on his car. They could’ve killed him.”
Inter supporters have repeatedly jeered the striker and even tried to attack him in the San Siro car park after he threw his shirt to the ground in the first Barcelona game.
However, Mino Raiola explains that some have taken their protests too far.
“A few days ago Mario found that someone had loosened the wheel nuts on his car. If someone isn’t careful, he risks getting killed on the motorway.
“We certainly cannot carry on like this. In these circumstances Mario will not remain for another year at Inter, I can guarantee that.”
Balotelli made a public apology to the Nerazzurri, but the tension surrounding him remains sky high.
“Mario is not angry with the fans, nor with his teammates, but clearly the problems with the club have not been resolved,” continued Raiola.
“I don’t know if and how quickly they can be resolved. Balotelli apologised sincerely, but someone at the club didn’t understand that. They didn’t want to understand it.
“I had promised not to talk until the second leg with Barcelona, but I saw that on Tuesday Jose Mourinho gave his view in a Press conference....
“Now I think I really need to talk to the club. I have to defend the interests of my client. I discuss matters with the club, then I don’t know if the club is led by Mourinho or not. It depends on President Massimo Moratti.”
ThaReaper01
01-05-2010, 12:07
I think it's a damn shame. Not just his time at Inter and the recent developments, but his life overall. He is mentally scarred, and being attacked by an irate Italian and having the nuts on his tires loosened certainly won't help that.
What he needs is a change. New people, new environment, new culture. When you are, for all intensive purposes, "a marked man", your time there is through. Not trying to be cheeky and say "Come to Man United!", but he needs guidance ATM. Someone like Sir Alex or someone like Arsene Wenger could give him that guidance.
Was reading the Juve thread, but decided to bring it here.
Shaun said some crazy things. Can't agree with his views. But what I will say is that under Mancini, Inter never had to balance Europe with domestic competitions. This was because they were out of Europe straight away. This allows them to soley concentrate on Serie A, thus winning it before the final game.
Last year, Inter were out of the Champions League in the last 16 under Mourinho and won the league before the last day.
Even if you look back into history - Man Utd in 99 and 08 had the best squad in England, but because they had to balance a whole Champions League campaign with domestic competitions, they had to wait until the final game of the season to clinch the league. Barca did win it fairly early last year, but unlike Roma, Madrid were losing a lot and that Barca side is arguably the greatest club team we've seen in the last 20 years or so.
So while I won't disagree that Inter were better under Mancini in Serie A, I don't think using an argument of them only winning the title on the last day is good evidence for this, due to their MASSIVE progress in European competition.
Original?
16-05-2010, 23:53
So while I won't disagree that Inter were better under Mancini in Serie A, I don't think using an argument of them only winning the title on the last day is good evidence for this, due to their MASSIVE progress in European competition.
They haven't made massive progress, they have made progress but it's no more massive than many teams do each year. Inter regularly made the quarter finals/last 16 under Mancini and were unfortunate to go out on occasion. Mourinho has done well in Europe, however, they have had their fair share of luck in this campaign.
The reason Mourinho's Inter haven't played as well as Mancini's did in Serie A is actually nothing to do with balance between Europe and the league. Last season they only got 84 points, 2 more points than this season. The only reason they wrapped up the league in advance was the lacklustre Juventus and AC Milan end to the season. Even the games Mourinho did win, weren't won with as much style as Mancini.
None of it matters in any case, you can't buy the title but you can pay to make sure no-one else can win it.
They haven't made massive progress, they have made progress but it's no more massive than many teams do each year. Inter regularly made the quarter finals/last 16 under Mancini and were unfortunate to go out on occasion. Mourinho has done well in Europe, however, they have had their fair share of luck in this campaign.
But a last 16/quarter final is nothing but failure to a club like Inter. You also just have to look at their campaign this season - In a group with Barcelona and having to travel to Russia and Ukraine. Knocking out Chelsea (a club that just had it's best season historically). Travelling to Russia again. Playing the best side in the World - Barca - again. In all of their knockout matches they have had to play the second leg away from home.
I think when you look back on their campaign you have to say compared to others they have made massive progression. If they win it, they will 100% deserve it for all that they had to go through.
The reason Mourinho's Inter haven't played as well as Mancini's did in Serie A is actually nothing to do with balance between Europe and the league. Last season they only got 84 points, 2 more points than this season. The only reason they wrapped up the league in advance was the lacklustre Juventus and AC Milan end to the season. Even the games Mourinho did win, weren't won with as much style as Mancini.
None of it matters in any case, you can't buy the title but you can pay to make sure no-one else can win it.
Mancini's final season:
Inter 85
Roma 82
Juventus 72
Mourinho's first season:
Inter 84
Juventus 74
Milan 74
This season:
Inter 82
Roma 80
Milan 70
Inter didn't wrap it up before the final game, because Roma were able to mount a good challenge. Same thing in Mancini's final season - Roma made it to the 80 points barrier, it goes to the final day.
There isn't that big of a difference when you look at it points wise. Maybe they should be due to Inter spending a lot, but hey, you think Moratti will care if they win the Champions League? That's what Mourinho was brought in to do. They could have easily stuck with Mancini and carry on winning the league, while being eliminated in the early stages of the Champions League if this was not the case.
Original?
17-05-2010, 00:51
But a last 16/quarter final is nothing but failure to a club like Inter. You also just have to look at their campaign this season - In a group with Barcelona and having to travel to Russia and Ukraine. Knocking out Chelsea (a club that just had it's best season historically). Travelling to Russia again. Playing the best side in the World - Barca - again. In all of their knockout matches they have had to play the second leg away from home.
I think when you look back on their campaign you have to say compared to others they have made massive progression. If they win it, they will 100% deserve it for all that they had to go through.
Mancini's final season:
Inter 85
Roma 82
Juventus 72
Mourinho's first season:
Inter 84
Juventus 74
Milan 74
This season:
Inter 82
Roma 80
Milan 70
Inter didn't wrap it up before the final game, because Roma were able to mount a good challenge. Same thing in Mancini's final season - Roma made it to the 80 points barrier, it goes to the final day.
There isn't that big of a difference when you look at it points wise. Maybe they should be due to Inter spending a lot, but hey, you think Moratti will care if they win the Champions League? That's what Mourinho was brought in to do. They could have easily stuck with Mancini and carry on winning the league, while being eliminated in the early stages of the Champions League if this was not the case.
The argument was whether Mourinho had turned Inter Milan into great team from a group of mediocre individuals, not particularly is the answer. Mourinho has performed on par with Inter, unconvincingly winning the league and doing well in Europe. He has done well in Europe but the progress hasn't been massive. Inter could have easily gone out against both Chelsea and Inter but they got the luck of the green and things went their way. I'm not knocking their achievement as every knockout competition needs a bit of luck but Mancini never got it.
Clarification. Inter Milan are not a 'big club', they have no continental history and five of their 18 scudetti are an absolute farce. My point about buying the title had nothing to do with purchasing players. Quite frankly, they're a repulsive club that the world would be better off without. Inter Milan, Liverpool, Lazio and Millwall, the only clubs I would be happy to see liquidated. The first two I'd be ecstatic.
chelsea11
17-05-2010, 01:20
The argument was whether Mourinho had turned Inter Milan into great team from a group of mediocre individuals, not particularly is the answer. Mourinho has performed on par with Inter, unconvincingly winning the league and doing well in Europe. He has done well in Europe but the progress hasn't been massive. Inter could have easily gone out against both Chelsea and Inter but they got the luck of the green and things went their way. I'm not knocking their achievement as every knockout competition needs a bit of luck but Mancini never got it.
I think in the CL they have deserved to be as far as they are. They didn't exactly 'Liverpool' and fluke a load of wins. I presume you meant Barca (I know its quite late) and yes they did get some luck to get through that, but against Chelsea they truly beat us, unfortunately. I guess you could argue that it is a one off, and its not looking likely that Mourinho will be there next season so we won't truly know whether they would be there abouts again.
If you're saying Inter are not a big club, then surely getting to the final should be considered massive. With the players they have, they should be getting further than they have been.
Looking back in a couple of years, whether they win the league 3 games to spare or on the last day probably won't matter, it will only be noted that they won the league. Having said all that, I hope AC Milan can get more players and mount a better challenge as I've always preferred them.
Mullet Taylor
22-05-2010, 22:30
Congrats to Inter ! it was a long time coming. I was abit annoyed cameras just followed Jose around all the time after the match. Even after the Inter players just lifted the trophy and celebrated, the camera panned to the end to see what Jose was up too. Then Sky showed us the footage of him walking around waving whilst not caring about the players having turns raising the cup. By the time we went back to the players, it was too late, the moment was gone
Well only a fool would think Jose would stay at Inter. His 2 year stunt in Italy wouldn't have been anything special without tonight's success. The things i'll remember about Jose with Inter
Winning the Champions League that got him the treble
Selling Zlatan to Barca
Spending €25 million on a 30 year old Milito. That'll be something i'll always remember. Jose basically Punted Ibra so he could aqquire Milito, that was a major Gamble and what a pay off. 30 goals and who knows how many asists.
Congrats to Inter ! it was a long time coming. I was abit annoyed cameras just followed Jose around all the time after the match. Even after the Inter players just lifted the trophy and celebrated, the camera panned to the end to see what Jose was up too. Then Sky showed us the footage of him walking around waving whilst not caring about the players having turns raising the cup. By the time we went back to the players, it was too late, the moment was gone
Well only a fool would think Jose would stay at Inter. His 2 year stunt in Italy wouldn't have been anything special without tonight's success. The things i'll remember about Jose with Inter
Winning the Champions League that got him the treble
Selling Zlatan to Barca
Spending €25 million on a 30 year old Milito. That'll be something i'll always remember. Jose basically Punted Ibra so he could aqquire Milito, that was a major Gamble and what a pay off. 30 goals and who knows how many asists.
He bought Milito before Ibra was sold. Before Barca came in, the plan was to play Milito and Ibra together.
People say Mourinho was brought in to win the Champions League. Well tonight, he achieved that. I'd be lying if I said I was not surprised. I laughed at Inter a lot under Mancini in the Champions League. Then last season they failed at the same stage. And even this season in the group stage, they seemed like a joke. But fucking hell, they turned that shit around. They controlled us in our own home, went to Russia and won and then knocked out the best team in the world. To top it off, they won the damn thing.
They have beaten the Champions of England, Spain and Germany. You can't argue that they deserve to win the competition. No way. That is a seriously tough fixture list.
Mullet Taylor
22-05-2010, 22:50
**awaits someone to point out the many lucky breaks Inter got during their run**
ahh my mistake. Well Jose had more faith in milito than Ibra thats for sure
Italian reports say that Moratti has phoned Leonardo and that they had a positive conversation :huh:
Maybe Berlusconi has sent Leonardo on a mission.
Original?
25-05-2010, 22:45
Maybe Leonardo has a bet to see whether he can turn all the Milan fans against him within a month or so?
Mullet Taylor
27-05-2010, 11:23
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Haha. Well i guess it shows he cares/cared and that he wasn't just in it for the pay check.
Original?
27-05-2010, 12:19
Haha. Well i guess it shows he cares/cared and that he wasn't just in it for the pay check.
...or that Materazzi was a little too big for him?
It shows a different side of him, I enjoyed that.
Just sums up Mourinho. People who look on from the outside and will always hate. But you can not blame them, because that is what they see.
But his people will always have affection for him, because he looks out for them. He cares. Maybe he only cares for his people, but that is what makes the special bond between himself and them. That's what makes them believe that they can beat anyone. His man management is one of a kind.
Just sums up Mourinho. People who look on from the outside and will always hate. But you can not blame them, because that is what they see.
But his people will always have affection for him, because he looks out for them. He cares. Maybe he only cares for his people, but that is what makes the special bond between himself and them. That's what makes them believe that they can beat anyone. His man management is one of a kind.
I'm on the inside and he's a coont :unsure:
I'm happy he'll never coach Milan.
I'm on the inside and he's a coont :unsure:
I'm happy he'll never coach Milan.
You cry yourself to sleep that you're not a part of the Nerazzurri! :tongue:
I cry myself to sleep that he didn't deliver us the CL, but he did for Inter :(
AgentZero
28-05-2010, 22:16
It shows a different side of him, I enjoyed that.
agreed it shows that hes not a ruthless mercenary we all thought he was, i doubt those were alligator tears too. Materazzi to Madrid ?
nath_scfc
10-06-2010, 15:59
I hate you guys, cost me a fiver appointing Rafa. I thought, after Mourinho, they'll want someone top who can emulate what he's done. Plus, they won't want a Juve reject.
Now, I'm going to have to hand over a fiver to the my mate who is bound to be smugger than this guy: :smug:.
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I lost my new app Official Inter hate because I love the inter milan?
I need a better interpretation :hmm:
I lost my new app Official Inter hate because I love the inter milan?
I need a better interpretation :hmm:
iLost - the new Official Inter app.
The bottom bit is "I hate Inter becuase I love Milan"
Ah. That makes more sense :lol:
[PST]SuSpEcT
15-03-2012, 20:23
Inter in a bad season .. that's only I can say .. !!
Rumours that AVB will replace Ranieri.
Hardly new rumours either. You've got bigger problems - like building a new team with 'no money'. I still cannot understand how Inter have gone from boasting about having €90m to spend on players in the summer of 2009 to where they are now.
Most of their players have aged and thats the problem. Their tenacity to win a match is weak and it all goes down to the individuals when blaming their poor form. Their are players like Zanetti that do have a strong mind to win but their are players like Forlan that tire after 30 mins and can't be bothered to carry on and make runs. Buying new players isn't a big problem as their team is good on paper but tactically they fail. They had a good start to the beginning of the season but unfortunately, Fatigue has played a big part to their season. M. Zarate is a great player but every match I see him play, he is a big let down after 20 minutes and can't control the ball aswell as he can which is frustrating just like the rest of the Inter team. They need to focus more on their youngsters now like Alvarez and Coutinho.
I think Zarate was an obvious mistake if I'm honest. Since bursting onto the Serie A scene he's dnoe little but causes lots of internal problems.
They've bought the wrong players at the wrong time on a consistent basis and there are problems behind the scenes with the likes of Branca and Moratti. The whole club needs gutting with a proper plan put in place.
Scummy cunts. Beat Juventus on Sunday plz thx.
Inter beating Juve is like Roma being beaten by AC Milan.
Inter beating Juve is like Roma being beaten by AC Milan.
Likely then?
No chance
I wish I could share that confidence for the Milan game but I feel that the midweek extra-time, number of games in a short period and persistent injuries will do us in.
Inter have virtually no chance of winning at Juventus, a draw is their best hope and even that seems unlikely. It is worth noting that Inter, despite the results, have been getting enough goalscoring chances to have secured many more points than they've managed.
Inter are far too narrow, I know it became vogue to play with no midfield width in Italy some time ago ... but many teams have seen the benefits of using attacking width. Inter seem positively pedestrian. Their midfield and defence is getting rather old and leggy, seasoned pro's like Lucio and Cesar making uncharacteristic faux pas' and Sneijder has not been as effective this season, it makes you wonder why coaches move him around when they know his best position is industrious yet free-roaming central attacking mid.
I agree with Sweey, Inter will lose at Juve, I suspect 2-0 since Juve have gained some impetus in recent games. Although am I right in thinking Juve are about to or have broken a record for most amount of games drawn in a title run?
I agree with Sweey, Inter will lose at Juve, I suspect 2-0 since Juve have gained some impetus in recent games. Although am I right in thinking Juve are about to or have broken a record for most amount of games drawn in a title run?
Completely wrong unless perhaps specific to a record when there are a certain number of teams in the division. Perugia drew 19 out of 30 in 1978-79 and finished unbeaten but were second to Milan.
Completely wrong unless perhaps specific to a record when there are a certain number of teams in the division. Perugia drew 19 out of 30 in 1978-79 and finished unbeaten but were second to Milan.
That's the one, that was the record I was thinking of. So Juventus are close then, are they not on around 16 draws? Incredible to think Perugia went all season without defeat and still came in second :D
That's the one, that was the record I was thinking of. So Juventus are close then, are they not on around 16 draws? Incredible to think Perugia went all season without defeat and still came in second :D
Juventus have 14 wins and 14 draws. Some way to go yet. 19 draws means a maximum of 76 points which wouldn't have won a Serie A season since 2003 (excluding the penalties handed out in 2006). In December, Allegri publicly said he felt 80-82 points would win us the title (as it did last season).
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Claudio Ranieri has been sacked as manager of Inter Milan. More on site soon.... #inter
Was destined to happen sooner or later, can't put Inter 8th and think you'll still be the manager by the end of the season.
What is surprising is that he held onto the job as long as he did. They've been woeful at times this season. The season as a whole is a complete write off, every managerial appointment was the wrong one. I hear talk of them being interested in Villas Boas, another move that makes little sense.
What is surprising is that he held onto the job as long as he did. They've been woeful at times this season. The season as a whole is a complete write off, every managerial appointment was the wrong one. I hear talk of them being interested in Villas Boas, another move that makes little sense.
There's no point in them appointing anybody if, as Inter fans will tell you, Massimo Moratti and Marco Branca among others are going to keep their roles. These people are clueless when it comes to transfers and planning.
Villas-Boas is a typical Inter appointment should it happen. I don't know where Villas-Boas is at the moment but Moratti was in London last night after watching Inter's youth side beat Ajax on penalties in the NextGen Series final and I wondered if he'd spend some time speaking with the Portuguese.
They claim to have no money and need to rejuvenate their squad - welcome to Milan's world.
Well If they can offload Maicon, Chivu, Sneijder and dare I say it Forlan amongst others for decent cash they might be able to begin rejuvenating the squad. I think the reality is not just bringing the kids through, as they tend to sell them anyhow, Pirlo being the ultimate in short-term decision makings. Granted he was a different player then. Inter need to invest in a talent spotter, someone like Monchi, pick up some clearly talented but raw South Americans and mould them. Currently it's buy South American, preferably older, overweight and appear disappointed when the inevitable occurs.
Well If they can offload Maicon, Chivu, Sneijder and dare I say it Forlan amongst others for decent cash they might be able to begin rejuvenating the squad. I think the reality is not just bringing the kids through, as they tend to sell them anyhow, Pirlo being the ultimate in short-term decision makings. Granted he was a different player then. Inter need to invest in a talent spotter, someone like Monchi, pick up some clearly talented but raw South Americans and mould them. Currently it's buy South American, preferably older, overweight and appear disappointed when the inevitable occurs.
Only two non-EU spots - could even be reduced to one during the summer. Remember, they end up having to fight off not only other Italian clubs in a similar position but other European sides who aren't hindered by such rules too. Plus as Inter they can't buy experimental players whereas the slightly lesser clubs in Italy can.
Chivu is leaving on a free in the summer. They shouldn't get a lot of money for Maicon or Forlan making Sneijder's sale all the more important. There lies the other problem though - they got rid of Eto'o and Motta and still have no money. Will they really have any spare after Sneijder goes? The wages of Stankovic, Cambiasso, Samuel, Julio Cesar and Lucio to name just a few must be bloody huge.
Meyyappan
27-03-2012, 05:33
They could not bring the 6 english player rule because of some european working laws so the same law should allow a unlimited amount of south americans to be recruited right?
They could not bring the 6 english player rule because of some european working laws so the same law should allow a unlimited amount of south americans to be recruited right?
The rules are entirely different - one tries to force a minimum number of homegrown (English, not European) players, the other forces a limited number of non-European players.
European working laws would seek to provide equal rights for all Europeans.
Meyyappan
27-03-2012, 09:11
Oh right,i thought it was for world citizens...its for europeans.
Was listening to the Telegraph Podcast in to work this morning, in particular a great piece about Internazionale by Paolo Bandini. Apparently despite making €67m from their Champions League victory in 2010 they had tabled losses of €69m. It's got to the point where the club are paying out around €200m in wages a season and rather than rationally approach the situation, the club continue to throw money at wages, without particularly worrying about FFP rules - as they don't look capable of getting into Europe anyhow.
So what the heck, go hell for leather eh Massimo!
Pointless stat here, prior to the weekends games, exactly a year ago Juventus were 7th with 41 points and Inter 2nd with 56. How times change.
Was listening to the Telegraph Podcast in to work this morning, in particular a great piece about Internazionale by Paolo Bandini. Apparently despite making €67m from their Champions League victory in 2010 they had tabled losses of €69m. It's got to the point where the club are paying out around €200m in wages a season and rather than rationally approach the situation, the club continue to throw money at wages, without particularly worrying about FFP rules - as they don't look capable of getting into Europe anyhow.
So what the heck, go hell for leather eh Massimo!
Pointless stat here, prior to the weekends games, exactly a year ago Juventus were 7th with 41 points and Inter 2nd with 56. How times change.
Wrong stat you mean. Exactly a year ago (March 27, 2011) Inter had 60 points and Juventus 45 :>
You are talking about the situation after 28 rounds of last season's Serie A - yet we've had 29 rounds this season :huh:
Ah, I meant prior to last weekends games ... I'll go back and listen to the stats ... :D
EDIT: 28 games, Inter 2nd 56, Juventus 7th 41 points. According to Mr Bandini from last season, exactly reversed prior to the weekend just gone.
Something is even more wrong at Inter than usual. When they won the Champions League, Moratti embraced FFP as a great idea, said Inter had lots of money and claimed they were in a great position for it "unlike others". Now we find they've sold Eto'o and Motta, need to sell Sneijder and are probably still fucked because of the ridiculous wages which were probably increased heavily after the CL triumph.
How has it been fucked up so badly? Heh, ask an Inter fan that and they'll point to the fact that Massimo Moratti is the owner as the answer to my question.
Apparently Moratti has been unwilling to sign players at such expense a la Sneijder and instead pay the earth to distinctly average players. If Inter fail to get into Europe technically the rule doesn't become a problem for them :laugh:
Apparently Moratti has been unwilling to sign players at such expense a la Sneijder and instead pay the earth to distinctly average players. If Inter fail to get into Europe technically the rule doesn't become a problem for them :laugh:
That would be bad news - like Rubentus this season, they would get a clear run at the title next season if that's the case.
Well it would be weird to see Inter win the league and then see their Champions League place commuted due to FFP.
I'm sure Milan would not take any delight in such an occurrence :lol:
Well it would be weird to see Inter win the league and then see their Champions League place commuted due to FFP.
I'm sure Milan would not take any delight in such an occurrence :lol:
Should have stopped there. Would be weird to see them win the league when they haven't ensured that a scandal they too were involved in hurt only the other clubs involved.
Should have stopped there. Would be weird to see them win the league when they haven't ensured that a scandal they too were involved in hurt only the other clubs involved.
Now, that's an interesting point. Leads me to another that a certain journalist I was listening to mentioned about Roberto Mancini. The point was made, how much can you read into his title wins with Inter, they weren't the product of sage management for starters. When things didn't go his way, Mancini threw his toys out the pram and threatened to resign only to be talked down by Moratti. The league wins if anything seem, well, titles by default.
Now, that's an interesting point. Leads me to another that a certain journalist I was listening to mentioned about Roberto Mancini. The point was made, how much can you read into his title wins with Inter, they weren't the product of sage management for starters. When things didn't go his way, Mancini threw his toys out the pram and threatened to resign only to be talked down by Moratti. The league wins if anything seem, well, titles by default.
They were titles by default. The fact Roma almost pipped them in 2008 speaks volumes. The European performances tell you a lot as well.
uA - 1905
27-03-2012, 20:31
Who'll be their next manager? I don't think the new bloke from their youth team will be a permanent one.
Who'll be their next manager? I don't think the new bloke from their youth team will be a permanent one.
Villas-Boas or Bielsa from the looks of it.
Bielsa should avoid it. Unlike Gasperini and Ranieri, he is flexible tactically and will build a formation around the personnel, rather than the square pegs in round holes methodology. Bielsa would need time to iron out the creases and he likes his team to play with energy and aggression. Some players there are less high octane and more high nonchalance. He'd be fired before he could get a cohesive unit and you'd see the usual stop gap appointed, a Delio Rossi or Edy Reja type.
Why are Inter currently playing? Seems a random time to play a league game.
Why are Inter currently playing? Seems a random time to play a league game.
National holiday. These games - there are six right now, two at 5pm and two were yesterday - were originally going to take place this past weekend but had to be moved so that round 33 (postponed due to the death of Piermario Morosini in Serie B) could take place last weekend.
Something to do with the Champions League?
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