Nifty1Pound50: May 2003 - Aug 2004

[Travis Bickle]

A tribute to Nifty..............


And now, the end is near;
And so I face the final curtain.
My friend, I’ll say it clear,
I’ll state my case, of which I’m certain.

I’ve lived a life that’s full.
I’ve traveled each and ev’ry highway;
And more, much more than this,
I did it my way.

Regrets, I’ve had a few;
But then again, too few to mention.
I did what I had to do
And saw it through without exemption.

I planned each charted course;
Each careful step along the byway,
But more, much more than this,
I did it my way.

Yes, there were times, I’m sure you knew
When I bit off more than I could chew.
But through it all, when there was doubt,
I ate it up and spit it out.
I faced it all and I stood tall;
And did it my way.

I’ve loved, I’ve laughed and cried.
I’ve had my fill; my share of losing.
And now, as tears subside,
I find it all so amusing.

To think I did all that;
And may I say - not in a shy way,
No, oh no not me,
I did it my way.

For what is a man, what has he got?
If not himself, then he has naught.
To say the things he truly feels;
And not the words of one who kneels.
The record shows I took the blows -
And did it my way!


Thankyou all, and goodnight.*wipes tear from eye*

[Jonny2J]

shit Nifty been banned too?? :confused:

[Zoidberg]

shit Nifty been banned too?? :confused:
No, he's dead you insenstive sod.

R.I.P Nifty.

[Original?]

Nicely done Travis!

[Mumpleaser]

No, he's dead you insenstive sod.

R.I.P Nifty.

I hope you're joking Zoidberg! Is he banned/not banned or alive/dead? Not a very funny thing to joke about really. Why did he get banned in that case? :confused:

[Mumpleaser]

I just noticed the title "Nifty1Pound50: May 2003 - Aug 2004". Short life! Ignore my last post!

[jamez]

Nifty's wit and intellegence will be sorely missed. He was one of the rare people who could give a reasoned argument against anything.

[LiamK]

Why exactly has he disappeared?

Hopefully it's not because of all those idiots and their shouts of racism?

[Zoidberg]

I just noticed the title "Nifty1Pound50: May 2003 - Aug 2004". Short life! Ignore my last post!
What can I say? He was a smart kid. ;)

[50!]

Its only a 1 month ban and that Gunplay guy got a 2 week ban both for making ill tasted jokes. Nifty said something racist and Gunplay said something about Dyslexics thats what i thought anyway. But is Nifty not coming back?

[Cyrax]

The tragedy.....

[Mumpleaser]

A month isn't that bad. I hope he does decide to come back though as I really think that his supposedly racist comment was meant as a joke and nothing more. Come back Nifty!!

[50!]

A month isn't that bad.

Im not sure if it is a month. The Gunplay guy got 2 weeks but i am not sure what nifty got. Ask an admin they have a list of bans.

[LiamK]

Its only a 1 month ban and that Gunplay guy got a 2 week ban both for making ill tasted jokes. Nifty said something racist and Gunplay said something about Dyslexics thats what i thought anyway. But is Nifty not coming back?

Gunplay's only gone for 2 weeks?

I never saw Nifty do anything particularly bad, and he's gone for one month, yet Gunplay was a complete twunt - and he's only gone for 2 weeks?

He'd start arguements then he'd disappear from the thread all together as soon as he'd got a response. (http://www.pesinsight.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13354&page=5&pp=10)

If Nifty's banned for 1 month for seemingly nothing, how can a complete cunt like Gunplay only get away with a two week ban. He'd always start arguements, resort to petty name-calling as well as insulting dyslexics for being dyslexic.

Admins, look at Gunplays posts and compare them to whatever incriminating posts there are of Nifty's and re-think the ban lengths.

This forums better off without him, change it to a permanent ban please admins.

[wr50l]

Now I'm pretty sure that Larsson said it was only a 1 week ban in another thread.

[stevieboy]

I've backed Nifty up before; about his banner being ironic & confrontational.
However what he posted recently may have been "a joke", but it's also clearly a racist comment. We have rules about racism in the forum. The rules are there for several reasons.
Firstly, it's generally agreed that if people have racist views they should keep them to themselves. No-one's stupid enough to think there aren't any racists using these forums, but there are many people from many races also using the forum... it doesn't take a genius to see that if the bad comments went unpunished then the forum would just descend into one giant slanging match. Most of the best member would probably leave & go elsewhere.
Second, I dunno whether anyone's noticed, but this site is sponsored by various different companies - without that funding, no site. The firms wouldn't be too chuffed if they thought that the site was harbouring racists who are free to air their opinions without fear of being banned.
Before anyone says "what about freedom of speech?" well tough, there are restrictions. The site's pretty lenient compared to some others, but clearly you can't have people talking about meeting-up outside the school gates etc etc...
Finally, members are banned for various reasons. Read the forum rules if you need a re-cap. Agressive behaviour & spamming are 2 examples other than racism that can result in a ban.

[LiamK]

But surely openly ridiculing someone for being dyslexic is far worse than having a swastika-resembling symbol in your signature, and making a clearly tongue-in-cheek joke about racism?

So why should Nifty be banned for longer than Gunplay?

[Mumpleaser]

Oh well, we'll just have to wait for them to come back and see what happens. Let's not forget we're all WE/PES fans at the end of the day and it's not worth getting stroppy/writing stupid things and irritating each other.

[Ogopa Djz]

A tribute to Nifty..............


And now, the end is near;
And so I face the final curtain.
My friend, I’ll say it clear,
I’ll state my case, of which I’m certain.

I’ve lived a life that’s full.
I’ve traveled each and ev’ry highway;
And more, much more than this,
I did it my way.

Regrets, I’ve had a few;
But then again, too few to mention.
I did what I had to do
And saw it through without exemption.

I planned each charted course;
Each careful step along the byway,
But more, much more than this,
I did it my way.

Yes, there were times, I’m sure you knew
When I bit off more than I could chew.
But through it all, when there was doubt,
I ate it up and spit it out.
I faced it all and I stood tall;
And did it my way.

I’ve loved, I’ve laughed and cried.
I’ve had my fill; my share of losing.
And now, as tears subside,
I find it all so amusing.

To think I did all that;
And may I say - not in a shy way,
No, oh no not me,
I did it my way.

For what is a man, what has he got?
If not himself, then he has naught.
To say the things he truly feels;
And not the words of one who kneels.
The record shows I took the blows -
And did it my way!


Thankyou all, and goodnight.*wipes tear from eye*


OLE BLUE EYES.Love dat song. ;)

[gollan]

So that must mean that I should reserve my polak jokes until he returns......
Yep, a very outstanding individual (articulate-wise, at least) he was.
And to sum it all up in a curse in Polish in Nifty's honor:

"Cholera Pasya Shnakref"
(dead dog's shit)

[Flipper the Priest]

His fell expulsion sees numbers drop in the elite quota of PESInsight members capable of proper grammar. This cannot continue.

You know who you are . . .

[Ogopa Djz]

His fell expulsion sees numbers drop in the elite quota of PESInsight members capable of proper grammar. This cannot continue.

You know who you are . . .

That last bit before the"you know who you are" sounded quite threatening. :confused:

[Darth Daft]

But surely openly ridiculing someone for being dyslexic is far worse than having a swastika-resembling symbol in your signature, and making a clearly tongue-in-cheek joke about racism?

So why should Nifty be banned for longer than Gunplay?

assuming the rules on these forums are attempting to promote understanding and harmony between members in the same way that real life laws do then no, it isnt far worse.

If you dont agree go round with a "i hate dyslexic people" t-shirt on one day, and the next day, wear a "i hate Ni**ers" t-shirt on. Notice how much faster you are assualted and then arrested on the second day.

The ability to be articulate does not absolve onself from wrongdoing. :)

[Gun_Runner]

The ability to be articulate does not absolve onself from wrongdoing. :)

totally agrre ;)

[LiamK]

Why should discrimination against dyslexics be seen as more acceptable than discrimination against people of other races?

Surely the two are equally as bad.

[Ogopa Djz]

Why should discrimination against dyslexics be seen as more acceptable than discrimination against people of other races?

Surely the two are equally as bad.

One can helped the other your born with for life.

[Original?]

One can helped the other your born with for life.

Yeah, you fill in a form to be dyslexic! :rolleyes:

Discrimination of any kind is equally as bad as discrimination of any other kind. For some reason it seems like I'm making this point again.

It seems that people are quick to pick up on racism, it is hypocrisy that they miss.

[Travis Bickle]

Yeah, you fill in a form to be dyslexic! :rolleyes:

Ban him, whether that was intentional or not, you are ridiculing dyslexics inabilities to fill in "a form", BAN HIM.

[Original?]

Ban him, whether that was intentional or not, you are ridiculing dyslexics inabilities to fill in "a form", BAN HIM.

Ah no Travis has joined the 'everyone apart from me is a racist brigade'
:p

[Ogopa Djz]

Yeah, you fill in a form to be dyslexic! :rolleyes:

Discrimination of any kind is equally as bad as discrimination of any other kind. For some reason it seems like I'm making this point again.

It seems that people are quick to pick up on racism, it is hypocrisy that they miss.

No buddy you can overcome dyslexia. ;)

[Darth Daft]

Yeah, you fill in a form to be dyslexic! :rolleyes:

Discrimination of any kind is equally as bad as discrimination of any other kind. For some reason it seems like I'm making this point again.

It seems that people are quick to pick up on racism, it is hypocrisy that they miss.

er, no they are not, my god you lot must all live a funny life.

Racism causes riots, wars often leading to genocide in a bid to exterminate the minority, and is generally deemed totally unacceptable.

Now when was the last time any of the above was caused ny someone calling someone else a ginge, a cack hander, foureyes or a spastic?

Now for instance, imagine you are the proud father of a fat, mixed race little girl with Wes Brown style red hair. She comes home from school in tears, she has been bullied by the other kids at her school.

A) She has been called a fatso gingernut minger

B) She has been called a spazmo divvy due to bad handwriting and mild dyslexia

C) She has been called a dirty ni**er

Now personally, A,B or C would piss me off. But A , B id say to her, "dont let them get to you" - if it was C id be straight down there to kick some serious arse and any of you would be completely the same im sure.

So its not all the same at all.... in practice, yes it should be all equally unnaceptable, but it isnt.

[Original?]

Which is double standards.

In the world the amount of hypocrisy is unreal, if we can help it here, why should we accept it?

[Ogopa Djz]

Which is double standards.

In the world the amount of hypocrisy is unreal, if we can help it here, why should we accept it?

Thats deep but still i dont see wat your doing about bringing Nifty back.Cause u know if they let Nifty back, people willl argue Gunplay case. So let be and be happy it wasn't you.

[Original?]

Thats deep but still i dont see wat your doing about bringing Nifty back.Cause u know if they let Nifty back, people willl argue Gunplay case. So let be and be happy it wasn't you.

What the fuck? Why should I be happy about not being banned, I haven't done anything to be banned.

Nifty was a good member and there was nothing malicious about him as his comments that are in quwestion are tongue in cheek, the same cannot be said for Gunplay.

[Ogopa Djz]

What the fuck? Why should I be happy about not being banned, I haven't done anything to be banned.

Nifty was a good member and there was nothing malicious about him as his comments that are in quwestion are tongue in cheek, the same cannot be said for Gunplay.

Whats this you wanna take nifty's place instead. Listen just because you like Nifty doesn't warrant what he said as right.And if you think that the forum is going to the dogs with all this hypocrisy remember your not being paid to be here.

[Lami]

y all this crap about him being gone? wether hes a friend or a foe, love him or hate him, the dude made a mistake, thats y he got banned. Whoever goes on saying that his racist comment was a joke then u dont make sense. How is Racism a Joke?? You dont joke around with that coz its hurting. And as for Gunplay, he got banned for what he said too. So its over, they both got banned, and we should hope they learn and dont do the same mistakes again when theyre back.

[Original?]

Whats this you wanna take nifty's place instead. Listen just because you like Nifty doesn't warrant what he said as right.And if you think that the forum is going to the dogs with all this hypocrisy remember your not being paid to be here.

Looking at my wallet I can quite guarantee that to be the case, however never did I say it was and I have a right to voice my opinion. ;)

Never did I say I wanted to be banned, I am content not being baneed, not happy to not be as I shouldn't be.

I also never said the forum is going to the dogs with hypocrisy, I said that there is more hypocrisy on here than there is racism. Though from reading all the posts from the P.C. Brigade you'd think it was far different, while they complain about racism they care not about their actions towards other members, talk about the pot calling the kettle black eh?

In future I'll try to use short words for you so that you do not get confused so easily.

[svendust]

er, no they are not, my god you lot must all live a funny life.

Racism causes riots, wars often leading to genocide in a bid to exterminate the minority, and is generally deemed totally unacceptable.

Now when was the last time any of the above was caused ny someone calling someone else a ginge, a cack hander, foureyes or a spastic?

Now for instance, imagine you are the proud father of a fat, mixed race little girl with Wes Brown style red hair. She comes home from school in tears, she has been bullied by the other kids at her school.

A) She has been called a fatso gingernut minger

B) She has been called a spazmo divvy due to bad handwriting and mild dyslexia

C) She has been called a dirty ni**er

Now personally, A,B or C would piss me off. But A , B id say to her, "dont let them get to you" - if it was C id be straight down there to kick some serious arse and any of you would be completely the same im sure.

So its not all the same at all.... in practice, yes it should be all equally unnaceptable, but it isnt.

I'm starting to feel sorry for this girl :(

btw any ginger who cries over being bullied over being ginger needs to pull themselves together (unless it's really serious and they're getting the shit kicked out of them and stuff like that) , I'm ginger and I'm damn proud as should all other gingers, the only reason people bully gingers is because they think that they're not proud and that they hate their hair and if they take the piss out of their hair they'll get all upset and cry about, be proud of your hair or your race or you weight then you'll take most insults more as complements or just lauhg about them :D .

Speech over.

[Zoidberg]

Oi, ginger-minger, go eat some carrotts!

[wr50l]

Oi, ginger-minger, go eat some carrotts!

Perhaps the funniest post in this forum for a long time . . . .

[stevieboy]

:mad: I have a ginger cat :mad:

[Ogopa Djz]

Looking at my wallet I can quite guarantee that to be the case, however never did I say it was and I have a right to voice my opinion. ;)

Never did I say I wanted to be banned, I am content not being baneed, not happy to not be as I shouldn't be.

I also never said the forum is going to the dogs with hypocrisy, I said that there is more hypocrisy on here than there is racism. Though from reading all the posts from the P.C. Brigade you'd think it was far different, while they complain about racism they care not about their actions towards other members, talk about the pot calling the kettle black eh?

In future I'll try to use short words for you so that you do not get confused so easily.

Thanks i mighty appreciate that last comment i'll work towards trying to understand your bullshit cause thats what it look like to me.And no i never claimed you said the forum is going to dogs with hypocrisy so much for my abridged post you still got stuff mixed up.And then the greatest part, you have a right to voice you opinion, go ahead it sure as hell wont save a life or even better lift Nifty's ban.So in closing Chief why dont we clear the bad air that has stained this thread by signing off on this note,if you feel your best-friend or whatever relation you share with Nifty was done a great injustice please go ahead and strike a conversation with and admin,they sure as hell will listen to your boisterous opinion.

[Dundon's]

I'm happy Nifty's banned :D

P.S. For the sake of the B-team ;)

[Highway Penguin]

You always seem to come in with a comment like that Dundons, I love it. :D

[Zoidberg]

Perhaps the funniest post in this forum for a long time . . . .
Hah, sorry, I couldn't help myself. It's like the sign that says 'Do not touch'...

:o

[wr50l]

why be sorry. finally a glimmer of light in the currently dull threads and posts.

[svendust]

Perhaps the funniest post in this forum for a long time . . . .

I didn't find it funny ;)

[wr50l]

Bit contradictory svendust . . . . .

[Kevthedrummer]

Who's gonna substitute him while he's gone for a month?

[-=[101st]=-]

here is something to think about...

as racism is a form of discrimnation.. is banning people who make racist comments not discrimination towards racists?? think about it... it technically is..

I don't really believe that... but i am just saying that.. it does make sense.. sick tiwisted sense.. but sense none the less...

[Highway Penguin]

That is quite true actually if you think about it, but when you look at it from the other way around, it is not. I confused myself, I think.

[-=[101st]=-]

i am totally against racism.. but in my quest to post a smart arse answer.. that came across my mind.. and it is only because society <- mainly through religion's (all of them - thought i should cover myself there :)) influence, has told us to be 'tolerant' to other's not matter who they are, has made us forget that discrimination... which is deserved i feel.. racists suck balls...

[Highway Penguin]

I don't like it when people say that racists are stupid though. That kinda pisses me off. I am not a racist, but think about Hitler, he was very smart, he was a very good artist as well from what I have heard, he had a horrid childhood so that must have messed up his mind a bit. (I don't support Hitler, just saying that he was a very smart man.) I suppose that I should stop now.

[Ogopa Djz]

I don't like it when people say that racists are stupid though. That kinda pisses me off. I am not a racist, but think about Hitler, he was very smart, he was a very good artist as well from what I have heard, he had a horrid childhood so that must have messed up his mind a bit. (I don't support Hitler, just saying that he was a very smart man.) I suppose that I should stop now.

Yeah umm he got beat by Jews when he was a kid and shit so it was more off a revenge motive than genocide.

[-=[101st]=-]

personally i think that people are racist to make up for their own inadequecies because there is no other legitimate reason really.. for example, just because someone is black that annoys you.. how can the colour of someone's skin annoy you?? even the thought of that is ludicrous..

Yeah umm he got beat by Jews when he was a kid and shit so it was more off a revenge motive than genocide.

it is still Genocide by definition.. he wanted to wipe out jewish people.. no matter what the reason.. it is still genocide...

[Travis Bickle]

Perhaps the funniest post in this forum for a long time . . . .

What, didn't you read Nifty's post ! :controversial:


Anyway me putting the Sinatra song at the start of this thread was an ironic statement. I can't stand the song, and thats cause I feel the songs self-serving and self-indulgent. Practically any person, be him a racist, mobster(like Sinatra), a philanderer, can sing that song and give reason for them being selfish c**t. I mean sinatra left his wife and kids to go off with some totty, hung around with people that were on the wrong side of the law but it was alright he did it "his way".

[Original?]

Hitler's grandmother was a jew, maybe she made him eats his sprouts?! :eek:

Ogopa the motive doesn't change the action.

[svendust]

Bit contradictory svendust . . . . .

Hence the ;) , to show that I was intentionally contradicting myself :rolleyes:

[nath_scfc]

I'm starting to feel sorry for this girl :(

btw any ginger who cries over being bullied over being ginger needs to pull themselves together (unless it's really serious and they're getting the shit kicked out of them and stuff like that) , I'm ginger and I'm damn proud as should all other gingers, the only reason people bully gingers is because they think that they're not proud and that they hate their hair and if they take the piss out of their hair they'll get all upset and cry about, be proud of your hair or your race or you weight then you'll take most insults more as complements or just lauhg about them :D .

Speech over.
Same here, i'm ginger, they take the mick, I laugh, it stops. simple as.

I don't think any form of discrimination is right but neither is one more important than the other. Nifty was contraversial at times but he wasnt the same old boring person. If he had an opinion he'd express it in a constructive way instead of saying something unintelligent like "fuck u" (notice text talk ;), grrr :mad:)) I don't know what Nifty actually said as i've only been back from holiday in Spain for a few days and those days were mostly spent sleeping but i think dyslexia is not anything to be joked about, I know many people who are dyslexic and they tend to be the kind, generous and good people.

Considering we live in a democracy, one of the parts of democracy is a right to free speech meaning that racism shouldn't neccesarily be a criminal offence. I don't think its right but take the Fire Service for example, my Dad was a fireman, the local Fire Service needed a new S.O. (Sub Officer) There was a white bloke, middle 30's who had worked in the brigade since the age of 18, got 8 G.C.S.E's at C or above and the rest of the brigade made it clear they wanted him as the S.O.. A 19 year old Asian lad applied too, he only had 6 G.C.S.E's at C or above with no experience and got the job. The bloke who did the interviews and employing has been suspended on alligations of discriminating against straight white males as in the 7 years he has been in the job hes only employeed 2 men out of over 200 applying for 20 odd different positions, the rest have gone to either females, homosexuals or dark skinned people/ ethnic minorities.

[Gary G]

Hmmm, it appears Nifty is back sooner than anyone thought.

[Ogopa Djz]

Hitler's grandmother was a jew, maybe she made him eats his sprouts?! :eek:

Ogopa the motive doesn't change the action.

Did i say it was right?

[Ogopa Djz]

=-']personally i think that people are racist to make up for their own inadequecies because there is no other legitimate reason really.. for example, just because someone is black that annoys you.. how can the colour of someone's skin annoy you?? even the thought of that is ludicrous..



it is still Genocide by definition.. he wanted to wipe out jewish people.. no matter what the reason.. it is still genocide...

I realise that.I am not trying to claim something different, i just stating a fact he was beaten, abused by jews.He wanted revenge.

[Ogopa Djz]

Hmmm, it appears Nifty is back sooner than anyone thought.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES.Thank God you Mods have hearts.Man i dont i would have lasted another day without that.Thanks Gary G. :p

[Darth Daft]

I don't know what Nifty actually said ...


Considering we live in a democracy, one of the parts of democracy is a right to free speech meaning that racism shouldn't neccesarily be a criminal offence.

probably best you read what he said before trying to comment on it ?

if its not still there, lets just say it made light of the fact that black people used to be slaves. :mad:

I thought the best thing about democracy was the right to live in freedom, without fear. Racism kind of goes against that which is why it is both illegal and immoral. And goes above the freedom of speech.

If the freedom of speech mob dont like it, they should fuck off to Africa, India, Pakistan or Iraq etc and spout their Racist shit there and see how long their freedom of speech lasts there.

While people bitch about freedom of speech on some football forums, Racism in its most sinister form is causing this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3572186.stm)

ps, im not making a big thing out of this because its Nifty, i quite like his sense of humour even though it deserted him in that post, im just very interested in the topic of Racism v other Isms.

[nath_scfc]

probably best you read what he said before trying to comment on it ?

if its not still there, lets just say it made light of the fact that black people used to be slaves. :mad:

I thought the best thing about democracy was the right to live in freedom, without fear. Racism kind of goes against that which is why it is both illegal and immoral. And goes above the freedom of speech.

If the freedom of speech mob dont like it, they should fuck off to Africa, India, Pakistan or Iraq etc and spout their Racist shit there and see how long their freedom of speech lasts there.

While people bitch about freedom of speech on some football forums, Racism in its most sinister form is causing this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3572186.stm)

ps, im not making a big thing out of this because its Nifty, i quite like his sense of humour even though it deserted him in that post, im just very interested in the topic of Racism v other Isms.

Yes i probably should have read it but i'm not saying racism is correct, its not, far from it infact. I'm a straight white male and i think that i get discriminated against becuse people get scared of being branded racist. I was just stating that in technical terms racism should be tolerated a bit better than it is. I have many black and asian friends and they are good people. Many of my favourite footballers for example are black. It's just that I think that insulting Dyslexia ad its suffers isn't excuseable and both forms of discrimination should be dealt with harshly.

[Zoidberg]

You've misunderstood the meaning of 'free speech'. It's there mainly as a political thing, in times of old you could be tried in court for criticising those in power. That is no longer the case and people are free to give their views on how those is power are performing aslong as it's not slanderous.

Racism or personal abuse of any form does not fall into the category of 'free speech'. I know you've said you don't agree with it so I won't make a big deal of it, but if you're going to make such bold statements you really need to be clued up about what you are talking about.

[Original?]

Of course it was only black people that were ever used as slaves...

[Darth Daft]

You've misunderstood the meaning of 'free speech'. It's there mainly as a political thing, in times of old you could be tried in court for criticising those in power. That is no longer the case and people are free to give their views on how those is power are performing aslong as it's not slanderous.

Racism or personal abuse of any form does not fall into the category of 'free speech'. I know you've said you don't agree with it so I won't make a big deal of it, but if you're going to make such bold statements you really need to be clued up about what you are talking about.

Thats it exactly. :cool:

Unfortunately, there is no sure way of 'teaching' the concept of Racism to everyone, for one its a very controversial topic and schools would rather not get into it too much, and two because it is mostly learnt from parents who in turn learnt from their parents. The bad thing is that from day one, humans have a base instinct to be afraid of anything different to themselves. Its a normal animal instict. And for a lot of people that is still the case, its not their fault and mostly it doesnt matter when people for example, arent too fond of asians and prefer not to make friends with them or pop round if they live next door for a cup of tea. Those sort of people are fairly common in Britain and generally, through integration will eventually change their views through experience. (btw im not like that)

But you also get what i would definately refer to Racists, people who are so uncomfortable with those unlike them, that they feel the need to actively show this in a whole host of nasty ways. From graffiti to random attacks to name calling and one of the worst of all, the general assumption that the people who are the same race as them, will feel exactly the same as them. People who cant understand why white people would want to go on anti apartheid marches. Nazis, Racists, Tossers, Scared People livining in fear of an enemy that isnt there. I almost feel sorry for them.

[jMz]

What about black people being racist?
I was turned away from playing pool with a group of asian lads because I wasn't one of them.
They spoke to each other in a foriegn language, then promptly told me to "fuck off white boy" (which I did cos I was alone and didn't want a bashing)
I'm not racist (I wouldn't have approached the lads if I was), but I found this hard to swallow.
I think the mentality in England has caused black people to hate white people simply because of what other white people may have said or done. It's all going round in circles and the sooner it ends the better. We should all just get along.

[Darth Daft]

What about black people being racist?
I was turned away from playing pool with a group of asian lads because I wasn't one of them.
They spoke to each other in a foriegn language, then promptly told me to "fuck off white boy" (which I did cos I was alone and didn't want a bashing)
I'm not racist (I wouldn't have approached the lads if I was), but I found this hard to swallow.
I think the mentality in England has caused black people to hate white people simply because of what other white people may have said or done. It's all going round in circles and the sooner it ends the better. We should all just get along.

I have had the same sort of treatment and yes, racism can work from any racial point of view. Black on white less so in this country, a much bigger divide in America, but with the large Asian community in Britain, there are much bigger problems, not helped by many proclaiming Jihad against the people whose country they have relocated to. It is an almost impossible situation not helped by everyone attending different schools and minoritys being lumped together in large communities.

But im not getting into that, it is a huge debate!

One thing i have noticed recently....

PES brings together young people from all ethnic backgrounds in the love of the game probably a hell of a lot better than Football itself does. From the tournaments i have seen, there are faces of all colours playing alongside one another.

[Original?]

Me and two mates were sitting on a bus at the front, mindin out own business. We heard some lads at the back who were about 22, say fucking whites, one then promptly came and punched my one mate round the head, just cause he was white. But no-one gives a shit about that way. Only white people can be racist.

May I note it was very brave of them, all 12 of them who were bigger than all of us to attack from behind.

[jMz]

I'm sensing a pattern here.

[Original?]

Around by me, the only the racism I have heard of is against white people. By the way you know the fuss about the slave trade, that trade was not one way!

[Darth Daft]

Me and two mates were sitting on a bus at the front, mindin out own business. We heard some lads at the back who were about 22, say fucking whites, one then promptly came and punched my one mate round the head, just cause he was white. But no-one gives a shit about that way. Only white people can be racist.

May I note it was very brave of them, all 12 of them who were bigger than all of us to attack from behind.

The only people that think "only white people can be racist" are complete nipples.

"no-one gives a shit" im sure you went straight to the police didnt you. :rolleyes:

Around by me, the only the racism I have heard of is against white people. By the way you know the fuss about the slave trade, that trade was not one way!

sorry, but you're begining to sound like someone scared of non-whites, you'll probably become someone that teaches your kids the same. Maybe you should get out of Solihull and see the world a bit.

[Original?]

The only people that think "only white people can be racist" are complete nipples.

"no-one gives a shit" im sure you went straight to the police didnt you. :rolleyes:

sorry, but you're begining to sound like someone scared of non-whites, you'll probably become someone that teaches your kids the same. Maybe you should get out of Solihull and see the world a bit.

First Point: You are correct but too many of them exist.

Second Point: Yes we reported to the police, they were 'examining the video' never heard anymore :rolleyes:

Third Point: No I'm not scared of non-whites, I would not impart my beliefs on my children anyway. Give me the money and I'll see the world.

[Ogopa Djz]

First Point: You are correct but too many of them exist.

Second Point: Yes we reported to the police, they were 'examining the video' never heard anymore :rolleyes:

Third Point: No I'm not scared of non-whites, I would not impart my beliefs on my children anyway. Give me the money and I'll see the world.

Turn on your tv an go to the travel channel. ;)

[Dundon's]

This thread is getting too heavy, and it's gonna get closed!!!!!
It's not fair on "Travis" who went to the bother of writing such a great song :rolleyes: for his mate "Fifty".

P.S. RIGHT!!!! If we all know its wrong and think the subject sucks, then lets all shut the fuck up about it and stop making an issue out of it. ;)

[jMz]

This thread is getting too heavy, and it's gonna get closed!!!!!
It's not fair on "Travis" who went to the bother of writing such a great song :rolleyes: for his mate "Fifty".

P.S. RIGHT!!!! If we all know its wrong and think the subject sucks, then lets all shut the fuck up about it and stop making an issue out of it. ;)
Hey mouth!
What's a forum for if not to discuss issues and share opinions?
Dundons, your ego's writin' cheques your butt can't cash. ;)

[JefferS]

Hey mouth!
What's a forum for if not to discuss issues and share opinions?
Dundons, your ego's writin' cheques your butt can't cash. ;)

Jmzy keep ur friends close an ur enemys closer cause im on the lookout for a position :D

[Zoidberg]

This is one of the most interesting discussions there's been on here for a while, don't close it down.

[Original?]

This is one of the most interesting discussions there's been on here for a while, don't close it down.

True please no closing of an interesting thread! If you feel like closing a thread go over to the 'worst thread' thread :D

[jMz]

Jmzy keep ur friends close an ur enemys closer cause im on the lookout for a position :D
Friend or no friend, I say what I think. If I think a friend is out of line, I'll say something. If a non-friend is out of line I'll say something harsher. Dundons knows my banter. You should read the heated discussions we've had in the past, this is nothing.

[-=[101st]=-]

the problem is that because black people have been "disadvantaged" over the last few hundred years.. at the moment.. especially in Australia.. you are better off financially to be in this country if you are Aboriginal... the government give you more money.. you have better chance of getting a job in some areas of Rural australia if you are Aboriginal.. and that is how they make it seem like equality.. it also steams in to society in general.. especially with the word (in controversial time) N*gga, it is okay for black people to use it but when a white person uses it even if it in the exact same context it is considered offensive... i think that it has gone a little too far.. because people promoting the above situations.. are creating a generation of white racist people because they are jealous of their financial situation and the way they do not have to watch what they say.. and things like that are the catalysts for many of the white racists out there...

[Darth Daft]

First Point: You are correct but too many of them exist.

Second Point: Yes we reported to the police, they were 'examining the video' never heard anymore :rolleyes:

Third Point: No I'm not scared of non-whites, I would not impart my beliefs on my children anyway. Give me the money and I'll see the world.

sorry, youre right i was a bit harsh there, but you know what i meant.

does that mean you wont make them support citeh? :D

this thread is the best ive seen in ages, and Nifty, who in a way started the whole thing, is banned! im sure the irony is not lost on him.

[Cyrax]

It's sad but true, racism is here to stay forever. Everbody has an upinion about racism and defines it in their own way. Usually we define it in a way so we don't have the feeling that we are racist ourselves. That's why racism will never dissapear. I'd say someone is a racist when they hate other people just because of their skincolour or their religion. I hate those who think like that and there are people on this planet that would consider me a racist because I hate people that think like that.

[Flipper the Priest]

Directless arguments like the ones so cogently(!) and repeatedly put across in this thread just act as fodder for the race debate.

[Zoidberg]

There's one fairly simple reason why white people are accused or racism far more than black people and that is there is no white equivalent of the word 'nigger'. That is the most insulting thing you can say to someone who is black but there is no word that exists which is equally insulting to whites...in fact, I'm struggling to think of anything that they can say which is even mildly insulting.

[Flipper the Priest]

Yes, there's nigger, chink and paki, all of which you say at your peril.

And if there was such a derogatory term for whites, we'd never hear it because people from ethnic minority groups in the UK aren't racist, right?













SHITE!

[adams9802]

And if there was such a derogatory term for whites, we'd never hear it because people from ethnic minority groups in the UK aren't racist, right? SHITE!
Your sarcasm is mildly amusing but misses the point entirely methinks. Whatever the case may be this has be blown so far out of proportion its boring......

[Ogopa Djz]

There's one fairly simple reason why white people are accused or racism far more than black people and that is there is no white equivalent of the word 'nigger'. That is the most insulting thing you can say to someone who is black but there is no word that exists which is equally insulting to whites...in fact, I'm struggling to think of anything that they can say which is even mildly insulting.

Cracker and Honky.

[Marshy]

but i would just laugh them off^

[Flipper the Priest]

I'd love to be called a cracker!

[Marshy]

I know!!! It would be great then i could come back with something so much more hurtful!!!

[Original?]

If I was called a white bastard no-one would care.

If I called someone a black bastard alot of people would care, I'd be insulted by the bastard part but I am white so they're just stating the obvious which I would just take as an indication that they're slow and stuggling to comprehend things. Why is it worse to be called a black bastard than to be called a bastard?

It's odd how people can be offended by the truth... *shrugs*

[50!]

The thing i fing the most stupid is when people call any Asian a name its automatically a paki even if they are from India,Nepal,Bangladesh etc....
And also a chinky for someone from Japan Korea, Indonesia e.t.c

Its plain stupid

[Original?]

The thing i fing the most stupid is when people call any Asian a name its automatically a paki even if they are from India,Nepal,Bangladesh etc....
And also a chinky for someone from Japan Korea, Indonesia e.t.c

Its plain stupid

I think the people who call them that are called: "Ignorant Morons".

[Ogopa Djz]

I'd love to be called a cracker!

Yeah then i'd have you warm milk.MMMMMMMMM. ;)

[Badgerman]

JINKIES!1:Jinkies:!!!

a racism chat on Insight? There's something new.

[Travis Bickle]

Get to start it up all again tomorrow, as theres a programme on called "the trouble with Black men: A polemic", in which the presenter, David Matthews, claims that Black men are lazy, promiscuous and obsessed with street culture. Thats freedom of speech.

The programmes on BBC3 at 9pm.

[adams9802]

. Why is it worse to be called a black bastard than to be called a bastard?

It's odd how people can be offended by the truth... *shrugs*
because them being a bastard has nothing to do with their skin colour, fine call em a bastard but if its obvious then why bring it up? its racist. Furthermore I doubt people need to be reminded of their skin color.

[Foxhound]

nifty is back!

wr50l, you dont have to be the player-manager of Insight United now :D