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the cure the beatles :D
nirvana elvis abba
they all changed the face of music as we see it today
who am i forgetting? ;)
Gun_Runner
19-08-2004, 14:54
2pac
Gun_Runner
19-08-2004, 14:54
he influenced so many rappers that still rap to this day
Travis Bickle
19-08-2004, 19:44
FU***IN ABBA !?!?!?!?
They are the reason "Steps" were around. For pop music you'd say "the Beegees".
The Sex Pistols.
Recent years I think the Chemical Brothers have made people think of drums differently. Fatboy Slim for example recreated himself after hearing the Chemical Brothers.
They certainly changed the way I make my music.
Surely Metallica have to be in there. The number of bands around today who are Metallica fans is amazing. They're also one of the reasons I decided to learn bass.
Sugar Hill, Ramones, Stiff little Fingers and Led Zeppelin.
Thierry14
23-08-2004, 17:05
There are a lot of Bands around now with a definite influence from Radiohead...
Also other influential bands/artists have got to be;
The Velvet Underground,
Roxy Music,
Marvin Gaye,
Johnny Cash,
Prince,
Queen,
Micheal Jackson,
David Bowie(Though I don't like him),
The Smiths/Morrissey,
Aphex Twin,
and there alot more...
Travis Bickle
23-08-2004, 17:22
David Bowie(Though I don't like him),
I used to not like him till I heard the Billboard classics ? one of the best ofs albums , and he is quality and every band have copied him.
Thierry14
23-08-2004, 17:29
Yeah, he is hugely influential but he has never appealed to me...
Maybe one day...
uA - 1905
23-08-2004, 19:32
Black Sabbath.
Miami FFC
23-08-2004, 20:40
why is the cure on anyone's list? joy division and bauhaus were doing the cure before the cure did the cure.
what about kraftwerk - the single most influential electronic band ever.
the beach boys - who rivaled the beatles and influenced the Sgt. Pepper album as it was a answer to the Beach Boys 'pet sounds' which paul mccartney still calls the best album ever made (coincidentally it was number one on NME's best albums of all time).
Nirvana, even though I'm not a fan.
the Sex Pistols have to be in there even though they were pretty terrible, they did have a profound effect on music's history.
Papa Lazarou
23-08-2004, 20:44
Led Zeppelin definatley!
and Nirvana
Sex Pistols
Black Sabbath
Red Hot Chilli Peppers
Ketsbaia
23-08-2004, 22:37
If Nirvana changed music then so did Soundgarden.
Pink Floyd get my vote like.
uA - 1905
23-08-2004, 22:56
Nirvana destroyed a genre. That's a great change in music. Soundgarden didn't do jackshit.
Miami FFC
23-08-2004, 23:42
Soundgarden was around before Nirvana (at least as far as Sub Pop records go) but it was Nirvana who was the first mainstream 'grunge' band and sadly, in America at least, Nirvana and all thier imitators pushed the Smiths, Inxs, Depeche Mode, etc off the alternative radio stations.
Luckily the grunge scene died in a few years and the Echo and the Bunnymen/Smiths sound returned, albiet in 'retro' fashion.
uA - 1905
24-08-2004, 00:16
Echo and the Bunnymen are great.
Pixies aswell. Kurt Cobain once said in an interview that Nirvana's biggest influence were the Pixies. And rightly so in my opinion. Top band.
Travis Bickle
24-08-2004, 00:39
why is the cure on anyone's list? joy division and bauhaus were doing the cure before the cure did the cure.
I can't stand Bauhaus, mainly because of their use of a design movement of the early 20th century as their name, but they are just shit and as the two bands were practically started at the same time with "the cure" having a technically better sound and were more original in their use of instruments and orchestration I'd say they were better, but Joy division beats em both.
Miami FFC
24-08-2004, 03:01
I know Travis I am just think that Bauhaus may have had more of a part in turning music in another direction than the Cure. And when the Cure started they didn't really sound much like they do now. They were a little more punk than goth back in '77.
If we are talking about the 'greatest influences of change in music' as the title suggests, there are probably maybe 50 or 60 important bands to mention. Seems like people here are just throwing out the names of thier favorite artist.
As for pure quality, the Cure were good. I just think that many of thier peers were better. The Church, Echo and the Bunnymen, Clan of Xymox, Cocteau Twins, New Order, Psychedelic Furs, the Buzzcocks, Wire....I like them all better than the Cure. But music is subjective I supposes.
Now the Pixies were a great band and now that they have returned people are taking note of how many bands that named them as an influence. I just don't remember anyone other than Nirvana talking about them back when they were around the first time. I think it's a case of people trying to sound like they were on the ground floor of something elite or obscure....."oh the Pixies? I've been listening to em for years mate back when they played small clubs in Boston it was just me, Kurt Cobain and a couple of drunk guys."
Papa Lazarou
24-08-2004, 20:06
Oh, I forgot Jimi Hendrix. He practically invented the effects box and wah pedal. and he playe dupside down!!
Eminem. Run DMC. Beastie Boys.
Ogopa Djz
30-08-2004, 00:40
"Guess who's bizaak Gplay's back on da mick still holdin tech moving da bill"
Welcome Back Bro.I see you got Nas to scare of all dem haters. :)Yo stuff aint been dem same wit yo gone but know we can stop pouring our liquor for ya.Aight peace Bro.
Also Dre had a big influnce on Hip Hop. ;)
"Guess who's bizaak Gplay's back on da mick still holdin tech moving da bill"
Welcome Back Bro.I see you got Nas to scare of all dem haters. :)Yo stuff aint been dem same wit yo gone but know we can stop pouring our liquor for ya.Aight peace Bro.
Also Dre had a big influnce on Hip Hop. ;)
LMAO yeah i'm bizack :D , the avy is anticipating ''Streets Disciple''. Have you heard the track ? Sickness.
Public Enemy also had a huge influence in HipHop and conscious rap aswell.
"Guess who's bizaak Gplay's back on da mick still holdin tech moving da bill"
Welcome Back Bro.I see you got Nas to scare of all dem haters. Yo stuff aint been dem same wit yo gone but know we can stop pouring our liquor for ya.Aight peace Bro.
Also Dre had a big influnce on Hip Hop.
Above The Law as they were the first ppl to do G-Funk not Dre
You quoted the wrong dood, Jonny2J.
Definitely Maybe
01-09-2004, 12:54
If Nirvana changed music then so did Soundgarden.
Pink Floyd get my vote like.
I know you love them, but how did Pink Floyd change music?
Nirvana influenced the whole grunge scene, Soundgarden did not.
You quoted the wrong dood, Jonny2J.i stand corrected*
svendust
01-09-2004, 20:59
AC/DC and Michael Jackass, only because AC/DC influenced the Darkness though :D
The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, The Ramones, Public Enemy, NWA, Iggy and The Stooges, RHCP and Metallica
The Beatles, no explanation required.
Deep Purple, Pioneers of heavy metals.
James Brown, godfather of soul.
Queen, Freddie in particular was something else.
Peter Gabriel, invented that whole thing that he and Phil Collins did in the 80s.
NWA, where would we be without them?
S Club 8, not really just kidding.
Now this is better than 'what song are you listening to', that is a festival of shit and borderline spam.
Kevthedrummer
28-11-2004, 14:30
AC/DC influenced the Darkness though :D
errr no.
A are more like ACDC than the Darkness. I'd say the Darkness were more influenced by Queen to be honest.
Nirvana destroyed a genre. That's a great change in music. Soundgarden didn't do jackshit
Don't understand what u mean there?
Nirvana made grunge big. Grunge needs to come back, the nearest these days is Puddle of Mudd, who are very good but a bit samey...
Queen, Freddie in particular was something else.
Yes, Freddie bit pillows for England. Queen still suck though. Whilst being here and having the great iTunes at my disposal I've developed quite a fondness for Jimi Hendrix.
Wow, 200 posts, does this mean I'm not a n00b anymore?
Kevthedrummer
28-11-2004, 14:35
Wow, 200 posts, does this mean I'm not a n00b anymore?
nope. ;)
Where do Pearl Jam come in here? I know they aren't influential but some say they are?
Pearl Jam, in Freddie's ass.
There's nothing wrong with biting a few pillows, you just need to be with more girls than boys to be hetrosexual.
The-Clash
28-11-2004, 15:24
Led Zeppelin definatley!
and Nirvana
Sex Pistols
Black Sabbath
Red Hot Chilli Peppers
Exactly the bands I would have listed.... except I would also add:
The Pixies
The Clash :D
The Ramones
For me, once a big Nirvana fan and now someone with little or no time for their music, I don't see what was so special about them except for bringing rock/grunge towards a mainstream outlet - and now giving us stupid little kids with hoodies who go on about Slipknot and the like. It was the birth of the whole shitty nu-metal phase we are in.
Personally, whilst obviously The Beatles and many many others changed music and influenced it a lot, for me I only want to name two bands:
Helmet and Failure.
Alice In Chains also don't get the respect they deserve - because they didn't "bring it to the masses" like Nirvana did. Kurt Cobain isn't the only lead singer who ever died. I'm not saying he was talentless, just that the idol status he has pisses me off.
Kevthedrummer
05-01-2005, 01:44
For me, once a big Nirvana fan and now someone with little or no time for their music, I don't see what was so special about them except for bringing rock/grunge towards a mainstream outlet - and now giving us stupid little kids with hoodies who go on about Slipknot and the like. It was the birth of the whole shitty nu-metal phase we are in.
nu-metal?! I wish! That came and went quicker than Hear'say! Nu-Metal phase = 2001-2002. Linkin Park, Papa Roach, Evanescence etc... DEAD.
The phase we are currently in is retro-pop rock= Franz Ferdinand, Zutons, Killers, Keiser Chiefs, Razorlight, (*grrr hate*) Libertines, the coral, which was heavily influenced by the Strokes who started to get big here around 2001 and all those bands have followed. Can't say I'm grateful to the Strokes for it either, it's all the same. (imo)
Emo has also really got to me. Were kind of in an emo phase. The awful grinding screamy vocals which sound like a trapped boy, whine about school and girlfriends like there's no tomorrow. My favourite of them are lostprophets, they are a bit poppy though. All local bands these days are emo too. The screamy ones we call "screemo" and the crap whiney vocals we call emo. FFAF are a big influence in this arena.
I really really miss grunge now. The nearest thing I will get this year will be the new Foo Fighters album which I can't wait for.
Flipper the Priest
05-01-2005, 02:50
I can't believe Oasis haven't been mentioned yet.
The comparison to the Beatles is feeble, and arguably no band has crafted so many anthemic beasts of songs as they.
Oasis were a phenomenon and had a confidence like no other I've ever witnessed. And for me Liam Gallagher, prick that he is, has the charisma to easily render him the best frontman of my 19 years alive by a long shot.
Definitely Maybe got British rock 'n' roll up off it's arse.
ChelseaDave
05-01-2005, 17:13
I can't believe Oasis haven't been mentioned yet.
The comparison to the Beatles is feeble, and arguably no band has crafted so many anthemic beasts of songs as they.
Oasis were a phenomenon and had a confidence like no other I've ever witnessed. And for me Liam Gallagher, prick that he is, has the charisma to easily render him the best frontman of my 19 years alive by a long shot.
Definitely Maybe got British rock 'n' roll up off it's arse.
Oasis are quality, and yes i agree with you. Them (and possibly Blur) got Brit-pop (Indie) going at that time. Also bands like the Stone Roses before them too. But i have to say Oasis are the best, if not, one of the best bands i've ever listened to. Its a shame though, i thought they're albums started to get a bit worse, when it came to ones like Hindu Times etc.
Nick Neville
05-01-2005, 17:21
Oasis are quality, and yes i agree with you. Them (and possibly Blur) got Brit-pop (Indie) going at that time. Also bands like the Stone Roses before them too. But i have to say Oasis are the best, if not, one of the best bands i've ever listened to. Its a shame though, i thought they're albums started to get a bit worse, when it came to ones like Hindu Times etc.
Oasis didn't change the sound of music though. They're a derivative of the Beatles.
For me it's Led Zepp or the Stones who actually changed the way rock was performed. Led Zepp are probably the biggest inspiration to all rock artists.
Oasis use their riffs ("F*ckin inthe bush's" for example from Snatch).
In terms of R n B, I'd say Dre / NWA have had the biggest singular influence for the past twenty years.
nu-metal?! I wish! That came and went quicker than Hear'say! Nu-Metal phase = 2001-2002. Linkin Park, Papa Roach, Evanescence etc... DEAD.
The phase we are currently in is retro-pop rock= Franz Ferdinand, Zutons, Killers, Keiser Chiefs, Razorlight, (*grrr hate*) Libertines, the coral, which was heavily influenced by the Strokes who started to get big here around 2001 and all those bands have followed. Can't say I'm grateful to the Strokes for it either, it's all the same. (imo)
Emo has also really got to me. Were kind of in an emo phase. The awful grinding screamy vocals which sound like a trapped boy, whine about school and girlfriends like there's no tomorrow. My favourite of them are lostprophets, they are a bit poppy though. All local bands these days are emo too. The screamy ones we call "screemo" and the crap whiney vocals we call emo. FFAF are a big influence in this arena.
I really really miss grunge now. The nearest thing I will get this year will be the new Foo Fighters album which I can't wait for.
Nu-metals still around (not as it was) and pissing me off big time. This what you call "retro pop-rock" pisses me off as well. It's fucking awful.
Some emo really is shit, but some is okay - Earshot (if you can call them emo), Quicksand, Cave In's most recent album (2003ish).
martin_cranie
05-01-2005, 18:52
The Kinks back in the sixties, were as creative and fresh as the beatles if not moreso. also the newly released album Smile from the Beach Boys is awesome, if that had been released when it should have been in the 60's then it would have been mind blowing. Pink Floyd were incredible, they basically just made conceptual stuff for ages before they did some singles like 'Money' etc...
Nirvana definately changed the feel of music. ask anyone in their mid 20's - mid 30's now about a defining moment in music and it was the release of Smells Like Teen Spirit. after that track alone, not to mention their other stuff i.e. Heart shaped box etc, that made it obscene in ppl's eyes for the old style 'guns and roses' dress code and song themes to still be around.
also for modern music i think Kings of Leon are awesome. they reflect a older vibe that hasn't been done in 30 yrs+. but despite that they're amazing, very fresh.
The-Clash
05-01-2005, 20:30
John Peel
'Nuff Said
Zoidberg
08-01-2005, 04:10
The Strokes are the greatest influence in recent times, they single-handidly started the whole retro-rock thing that is going at the moment. Nirvana were responsible for putting rock back into the mainstream during the early 90's, they probably won't the first to take that sound on but they were the first to made it heard throughout the world. David Bowie has influenced pretty much everyone in his career and Queen have influence...well, The Darkness at least.
Not sure Oasis influenced much, can't think of many bands that took on their style...although I guess they were the only British band getting a steady stream of rock into the charts at points in 90's.
I think there is a big a change on the horizon, there is an opening for a band to become the next big influence. Everything is a bit stale and repetitive at the moment, rock is being pushed further into the mainstream and with that comes a number of unwelcome bandwagon jumpers...you know the type, they like Kasabian but ask them about The Smiths or whatever and they'll say "they're old aren't they?". People who have followed rock before this popular period are becoming annoyed, I can sense it...we need a Sex Pistols-esque band to appear and really shake things up again, personally I think it's just a matter of time.
I just hope the next big switch is to what I consider the more respectable side of rock/metal - back to the likes of Tool whose music is ridiculously fantastic and intelligent - without pandering to snotty goth teenagers who think its cool to look trampy.
Kevthedrummer
09-01-2005, 18:29
watch out guys, I just read in kerrange that Charlie from busted is going emo, said to have left Busted with his new band "fightstar"...
there are a lot of bands returning this year, should be interesting. Foos and QOTSA I'm looking most forward to.
DirtyFrank
09-01-2005, 18:57
New Pearl Jam album out this year as well, which no one on here probably dosnt care about apart from me.
Also new Idlewild and Audioslave.
Anyway, about most influential bands that changed music dont forget Sonic Youth. Nirvana were basically just trying to be a mixture of Sonic Youth (the noise), the Pixies and possibly the Beatles(melodies). I hate how everyone goes on about Nirvana, there are much better bands around, Nirvana are too original, all their songs sound the same.
Sonic Youth are easily the most underated band ever or Pearl Jam, their stuff after Alive, Even Flow etc.
I'm just glad someone else doesn't like Nirvana.
Pearl Jam have some nice songs, but others are a bit tiresome. Even Flow is great.
DirtyFrank
09-01-2005, 19:31
I dont mind Nirvana, I used to love them when I was a bit younger but they get boring I guess. This is really the same with Pearl Jams early stuff, songs like Even Flow and Jeremy get very tiresome, the problem is most people hear there early stuff because that was when they made videos and advertised their stuff a lot more.
But they didnt like being in the medias eye so they stopped making videos etc.
They also slowed down a lot making slower songs, listen to "Off he goes" or "Wishlist" if your wondering what I talking about.
I didn't like the slower songs too much. Rearview Mirror was another good one.
I too used to love Nirvana a few years back, but I found what, in my opinion, I believe to be music which is far better and would have done more had it become mainstream - but I'm glad its not. It annoys me how so many teenagers latch onto Smells Like Teen Spirit. Yes, it's a great song, but its annoying that so many people start to love it.
LP and Evanescence dead?
Have you been sleepin under a rock in 2004?
Wasn't me that said that, but I wish I had been sleeping cos I'd have missed them!
How come Bob Marley hasn't been mentioned?
Fraz_Maitland
10-01-2005, 18:57
The Beatles
The Rolling Stones
The Jam
The Kinks
The Smiths
The Stone Roses
Joy division/new order
Oasis
i agree with wat JmZ said about the chemical brothers too
at the moment The Killers, The Libertines and The Coral may give some inspiration to people because their pukka bands
adams9802
10-01-2005, 19:58
Pixies, Velvet Underground, Nick Drake
nath_scfc
10-01-2005, 20:39
The Clash
The Beatles
The Rolling Stones
The Smiths
Sex Pistols
The Kinks
Oasis
The Strokes
Bob Marley
James Brown
Marvin Gaye
Nirvana
Most of them, if not all have already been said. Of my own, Happy Mondays. To me, they gave the first form of chav-tastic rock. Unfortuneately, I can see Kasabian going the same way which is a shame really. I agree with what Zoidberg said...
there is an opening for a band to become the next big influence. Everything is a bit stale and repetitive at the moment, rock is being pushed further into the mainstream and with that comes a number of unwelcome bandwagon jumpers
Should they overcome the second album problem, I think Franz Ferdinand could bring a lot of people into a sophisticated kind of sound. Many people know my liking of The Libertines but I can't see them going much further without Doherty and his elloquant lyrics, meaning Babyshambles are the benefitters out of the predicament. The way The Libs have put out albums has a ring of Stereophonics about it to me, great first album which few acknowledge and then a super second album which gets the attention. As for the Bandwagon jumpers, Razorlight surely have the most of them?!
Zoidberg
16-01-2005, 06:02
The way The Libs have put out albums has a ring of Stereophonics about it to me, great first album which few acknowledge and then a super second album which gets the attention. As for the Bandwagon jumpers, Razorlight surely have the most of them?!Interesting comparison, I can see we're you're coming from...if they were about to follow the Stereophonics trend then it's probably for the best that they've split up before a third album can be made (incidently, Word Gets Around is my favourite ever album that's not a 'best of').
I think Razorlight have got most of the bandwagon people...although I think Kasabian are attracting a few too. I'm quite scared about where all the Busted fans will go...hopefully straight to the obvious choice, McFly.
nath_scfc
16-01-2005, 16:08
Interesting comparison, I can see we're you're coming from...if they were about to follow the Stereophonics trend then it's probably for the best that they've split up before a third album can be made (incidently, Word Gets Around is my favourite ever album that's not a 'best of').
I think Razorlight have got most of the bandwagon people...although I think Kasabian are attracting a few too. I'm quite scared about where all the Busted fans will go...hopefully straight to the obvious choice, McFly.
Many Busted fans will probably go to McFly, if they're not already there. Also, Fightstar, which has a person from Busted in it. Hopefully not to what I like to call, album music because the albums seem to sell well but singles don't.
As for the Stereophonics, J.E.E.P was pretty poor. However, I prefer Performance and Cocktails to Word Gets Around, just. 'I Stopped To Fill My Car Up' does it I think.
Ogopa Djz
16-01-2005, 16:29
How come Bob Marley hasn't been mentioned?
For real.Bob Marley and Micheal jackson stand out as relovutionary musicians.
kiaerf of puppets
25-01-2005, 20:39
The beatles
Black Sabbath
Metallica
Ramones in US-The Clash rest of world
simmsm88
26-01-2005, 22:35
Fugazi.
Kevthedrummer
27-01-2005, 01:29
Many Busted fans will probably go to McFly, if they're not already there. Also, Fightstar, which has a person from Busted in it.
Untrue, Busted fans actually hate Fightstar because it was the reason for the Busted split. Charlie has had things thrown at him at Fightstar gigs by outraged Busted fans. There is no way they will like the style of music either. Its 1 million miles away from what Busted were doing. It's emo crap too. :(
Having said all this, if we're honest Busted have been a big influence on british music in their 2 year reign. From them have sprung other shite bands like McFly and Rooster, not mention the "Noise next Door"....
Busted are heavily influenced by the 90's punk rock movement, only theirs is much more watered down, happied up versions of what Green Day and Blink 182 have already been doing for years.
IMO, Green Day are a key influence in change of music. Not huge, but quite influential.
Busted fans will go to whatever new, manufactured, sickly sweet pop boy band emerges.
I haven't read the whole of the topic, but the Beatles have had undoubtedly the biggest influence in Western music.
How come Bob Marley hasn't been mentioned?
It annoys me that Bob Marley is never given his dues. He's got to be the most underrated songwriter. Everyone always mentions Dylan and Lennon but noone really gives Marley his props as a great songwriter.
Stupid culture gap.
uA - 1905
27-01-2005, 14:19
Sabbath.
Alcoholic
03-02-2005, 14:52
Elvis
Beatles
Queen
Led Zep
Black Sabbath
Iron Maiden
Judas Priest
Metallica
NWA
Dr Dre
Tupac
super colin
05-02-2005, 15:28
Damien Rice
Young Tony
05-02-2005, 15:32
Andy Gray & Richard Keys. Dynamic rap duo.
NWA
Dre
2pac without a doubt..
super colin
05-02-2005, 15:38
Glenn Hoddle.
Queen were a great influence to me. An English band I can be really proud of and the music is a blend of rock and pop. They were excellent at combining the two.
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