The Medical

[ashmufc]

Why is there a medical? Does the medical have to be passed? Like say, Real are going to buy Woodgate, who is injured, and he wont pass the medical. Would he be still be able to be a Real player. Like is there a UEFA/FIFA rule saying you cant complete transfer unless they pass medical or something.

[Ketsbaia]

As far as I know medicals can be done at the buying clubs discretion. When we signed Woodgate we didn't give him a full medical because he was injured then.

[Jonny2J]

i think the moves complete now

[Ketsbaia]

It is :(

*cue crying face smilie*

[thebeast2020]

very good business i'd say,

23 league appearances since january 2003

[The Jodis]

very good business i'd say,

23 league appearances since january 2003

Plus anything to help towards getting rid of that debt they don't like to talk about much!

[L . F . C]

i think it was a very very good deal for both

[Ketsbaia]

Plus anything to help towards getting rid of that debt they don't like to talk about much!

Debt? What Debt? If you're talking about the loan that we took out when SJPs was extended then the Woodgate transfer has bugger all to do with that. We've been paying the loan off in installments succesfully for some years now and have never had any trouble with it.

[Definitely Maybe]

Medicals are used to determine whether the player has any damage to his muscles which could lead to further long term injury. Iirc, there is no rule saying the player MUST have a medical, but it makes sense to have one, as you could be signing a crock, and you wouldnt know it.

Alot of people think medicals are just about running, but they're not. Physio's will do alot of tests on the players joints and muscles to make sure theres no abnormalities, and make sure the player is in tip top shape to play football. In answer to the other question, yes, a player can still sign if he fails a medical - it is up to the club to assess the problem. A couple of examples are Ricardo Fuller's transfer to Pompey. A couple of weeks ago the deal fell through after Fuller failed the medical, so Preston decided to send him to America to visit a specialist to see whether he needed another operation, or whether the medcial failure was because of his serious knee injury 2 years ago. The specialist told them that Fuller didnt need another operation, and the reason he failed the medical is because his knee was still damaged from his injury, although it wouldnt affect him playing football. With this in mind, Fuller had another medical and has signed today, despite failing his first medical.

Also, 2 years ago we signed a young player called Matt Piper from Leicester. At the time we were desperate for a new right winger, so we rushed through the medical so we could get him signed in time to play. Since then, Piper has had no less than 5 serious operations, and has played a total of 18 games in 2 years. In the summer we sent Piper to see Dr. Richard Steadman in America, and he discovered 4 serious problems with his knees, all of which should have been picked up on the medical, but werent. Theres also been alot of speculation that Piper has a weak bones, and cant go 2 games without getting injured, and the only reason he hasnt retired yet is because of a problem with his insurance, and we are just waiting til his contract expires next summer and then he will retire. This is probarbly bullshit, but it does explain alot, and he was stripped of his number 7 shirt, so I doubt he'll play much this season.

[The Jodis]

Debt? What Debt?

Amazing how £50mill worth of debt can just be forgotten about! :rolleyes:

OK. All teams in this country have debts, thanks to the way football has gone on the last few years. Only Man Unt and Chelsea seem to be fine, and for obvious reasons.

Some clubs in the top flight only have some small debts that will be gone within this season, if not next season at the very least. Others have bigger debts that might take a bit longer. Lower division clubs have the problem of low debts compared to top clubs, but don't have the same amount of income to cope with any form of debt.

Then you have Leeds Unt! An article posted on BBC sport just before Euro 2004 made note that the next club after Leeds on the high debt list was Newcastle United. However, factors at the moment means that it doesn't get talk about like Leeds does, because its not considered a threat..........yet!

As you have pointed out, the debt specifically linked to SJP's expansion is covered and really there is nothing to worry about there, and that will soon be gone. There is however the matter of the debts that has accumliated by simply being a football club in today's climate. As I have said, all clubs, bar two are suffereing it. Somehow, Newcastle's at one point was getting just as high as Leeds was (Was around £70mill at one point).

The financal strucure of NUFC at the moment does mean that the club will be able to cope with the large debt they have no problem. But as the article pointed out, its a similar plan to what Leeds had, in that as long as there is regular Champions League football, the debt will be cleared.

Its been said that Newcaslte are under pressure this season to make sure that this time they do make CL football for next season, after only just managing a UEFA cup spot for this season, if the club are going to keep the banks away from knocking on the door.

Sheppard and Co, always like to come out to the press and brag about the clubs earnings. However they fail to mention what the earnings really are after deductions of things that need paying for immediatly such as:

Player Wages (Not just the first team, the whole range, right down to youth)
Manager and staff wages
Stadium Staff Wages
Catering
Maintenence
Shareholders
Promotion and Advertising
Policing

What's ever left goes towards paying the debt, with maybe a few million that Bobby can keep in case he really wants to sign anyone (See £2.5 million for Nicky Butt, a great steal that I admit, then getting Klivert on freebie).

So, the club have said that the money offered for Woodgate was too good to turn down. Of course it was. It means that the club keep the bank away from the door for this season, which would have been hard to do with just having a UEFA cup space.

Don't expect a world class signing to follow on for two reasons. That £13mill will not be £13mill much longer, as a large percentage of that will go towards paying off the debt. The other beeing that there is no obvious big name target that Newcastle could possibly get before the window shuts soon. I'd expect most likely one or two decent r useful defenders from somewhere, and then the board will hope that it will be enough to get the CL spot they need this season.

And just before you think this is all biased and sore grapes and what not from a Mackem, as I have said, pretty much all clubs have the same problem at the moment. My beloved club is certainly no different. It maybe considerably much less than others, but we have serious problems as far as income is concerend to tackle the issue.

[Ketsbaia]

Amazing how £50mill worth of debt can just be forgotten about! :rolleyes:

OK. All teams in this country have debts, thanks to the way football has gone on the last few years. Only Man Unt and Chelsea seem to be fine, and for obvious reasons.

Some clubs in the top flight only have some small debts that will be gone within this season, if not next season at the very least. Others have bigger debts that might take a bit longer. Lower division clubs have the problem of low debts compared to top clubs, but don't have the same amount of income to cope with any form of debt.

Then you have Leeds Unt! An article posted on BBC sport just before Euro 2004 made note that the next club after Leeds on the high debt list was Newcastle United. However, factors at the moment means that it doesn't get talk about like Leeds does, because its not considered a threat..........yet!

As you have pointed out, the debt specifically linked to SJP's expansion is covered and really there is nothing to worry about there, and that will soon be gone. There is however the matter of the debts that has accumliated by simply being a football club in today's climate. As I have said, all clubs, bar two are suffereing it. Somehow, Newcastle's at one point was getting just as high as Leeds was (Was around £70mill at one point).

The financal strucure of NUFC at the moment does mean that the club will be able to cope with the large debt they have no problem. But as the article pointed out, its a similar plan to what Leeds had, in that as long as there is regular Champions League football, the debt will be cleared.

Its been said that Newcaslte are under pressure this season to make sure that this time they do make CL football for next season, after only just managing a UEFA cup spot for this season, if the club are going to keep the banks away from knocking on the door.

Sheppard and Co, always like to come out to the press and brag about the clubs earnings. However they fail to mention what the earnings really are after deductions of things that need paying for immediatly such as:

Player Wages (Not just the first team, the whole range, right down to youth)
Manager and staff wages
Stadium Staff Wages
Catering
Maintenence
Shareholders
Promotion and Advertising
Policing

What's ever left goes towards paying the debt, with maybe a few million that Bobby can keep in case he really wants to sign anyone (See £2.5 million for Nicky Butt, a great steal that I admit, then getting Klivert on freebie).

So, the club have said that the money offered for Woodgate was too good to turn down. Of course it was. It means that the club keep the bank away from the door for this season, which would have been hard to do with just having a UEFA cup space.

Don't expect a world class signing to follow on for two reasons. That £13mill will not be £13mill much longer, as a large percentage of that will go towards paying off the debt. The other beeing that there is no obvious big name target that Newcastle could possibly get before the window shuts soon. I'd expect most likely one or two decent r useful defenders from somewhere, and then the board will hope that it will be enough to get the CL spot they need this season.

And just before you think this is all biased and sore grapes and what not from a Mackem, as I have said, pretty much all clubs have the same problem at the moment. My beloved club is certainly no different. It maybe considerably much less than others, but we have serious problems as far as income is concerend to tackle the issue.

Find the article and I'll let it lie. We lost money year after year until we finsihed fourth and then we pull ourselves out of the red. The once £50-70 million debt that you talk about was the cost of the stadium expansion which is mostly paid by Sir John Hall as it his was idea to either build and fund the Leazes Park stadium or expand St. James'.

Aslong as we're on the subject of articles what about the article that crept up all last year that we had the second highest wage to income in the Premiership (just behind ManUre)

Fat Fred isn't stupid and loves his cash. As a person he's a twat but as a business man he's top of the class. Prior to him we had Sir John Hall who was never short of cash. The only times we've spent lavishly we have backed it up by qualifying for the Champions League.

[The Jodis]

Find the article and I'll let it lie.

:mad:

Said article has been taken down after it was found the reporter "mis-interpreted" the information about NUFC's financial situation.

My mag mate Jaffa, who's big into money matters involving clubs confirms this. Apparntly alot of reporters of various sites did the same leaving them red faced, along with readers like myself and other football supporters.

Hell, me sister's mag boyfriend still thought with worry that the club was in massive debt. He soon cheered up when I showed him figures that show NUFC around £6mill in the black this evening.

So it seems I'm left to say sorry for misinformation, cos a reporter can't do the job he suppose to be good at.

Don't you just love footy journo's at the moment!

There're a major part into why sometimes I hate football!

:mad:

[Ketsbaia]

:mad:

Said article has been taken down after it was found the reporter "mis-interpreted" the information about NUFC's financial situation.

My mag mate Jaffa, who's big into money matters involving clubs confirms this. Apparntly alot of reporters of various sites did the same leaving them red faced, along with readers like myself and other football supporters.

Hell, me sister's mag boyfriend still thought with worry that the club was in massive debt. He soon cheered up when I showed him figures that show NUFC around £6mill in the black this evening.

So it seems I'm left to say sorry for misinformation, cos a reporter can't do the job he suppose to be good at.

Don't you just love footy journo's at the moment!

There're a major part into why sometimes I hate football!

:mad:

Judging by wor press conference this afternoon Sir Bobby feels the same way about them as you do.