Damn all EAfootball games

[slamsoze]

I wonder i there is any serious soccer player in this planet that enjoyes playing FIFA games from EAsports.In my opinion FIFA soccers are not football sims but football arcades.In FIFA 2006 i think goalkeepers will carry lasershotguns to prevent strikers from scoring inside box.In my opinion PES for PSX-PS2 and PC are the best soccer games and then are the ISS series for SNES.It is crime to compare any PES with any FIFA soccer game!I prefer to play Supersidekicks Soccer at Mame32 than playing a FIFA game.If EA sports didnt have the licences,would be nothing.If i have mistakes in my opinion tell me a good reason to buy a FIFA game????????????

[pes4-fan]

LOL FIFA IS SOOO SHIT(EXCUSE MY FRENCH).The worst is fifa 2004 i shot from the half way liine and it curled in and that was with kanu omg its a joke and i look at some players that arnt that populer and they dont have the slittest likelyness they just focus on the big stars.The only thing they have over pro evo is licenses.

[nico stallion]

id rather play sensible soccer on sega than any fifa game

[hedache]

I love the PES series, but you gotta give it to FIFA too. They do certain things better. Besides the graphics sounds and licensing advantage, there are little things in gameplay of fifa that I like better in 2005. Last year I wouldn't believe that I would say this but it is true. FIFA has done a better job with 2005 than their older titles. I'd still prefer the master league to FIFA anyways but it would be nice to have the auto runs that fifa has with L1, even though PES AI is better, a lot better in general, it's annoying when your offence sits and watches you when they could have made a run into open space. And don't tell me about arrows and stuff, i want them to stick to the system but I should still be able to ask them to make a run when needed. And the manual pass is hard to perform with the right analog, FIFA has better controls in that sense. other than that, PES rocks.

[Dan]

my mams bought me it for xmas what can i do i cant fake been pleased about it.:( and ive acctually had it before, my bro got it day it came out n took it back in a day

[johnterry]

i have it :( it makes me sad

[wrigh2uk]

Fifa has some decent aspects tho which have all been stated :

License's
Awesome Commentry
Better online setup (Probably because evos was rushed)

But overall fifa has been poor since it came off the megadrive

[hitmanuk2k]

about the auto-run.... i dont know the same button is on the pc version, as i dont have it... but r2 on ps2 makes your players run.

[hedache]

I read that in one of the threads (R2 run), i don't know if it's cos I have the PC version but they don't seem to make any runs with R2. I may try it on PS2, meaning I'll have to wait another 6 weeks. Damn US.

[Mel Brennan]

id rather play sensible soccer on sega than any fifa game

Sensible Soccer WAS great, wasn't it?

The last FIFA game I was in awe of was RTWC 98. That being said, FIFA 2005 is a step in the right direction, but it's a baby step. Konami's the football experience for adults.

[Miggy]

Yeah RTWC was only good for one thing, indoor football. pro would be even more awesome if it had that option. schweet

[hedache]

well said strikergoal. I am a soccer fan too, and unfortunately a soccer fan now, since it's hard to use the term football in the US. I would never think i'd rather call it soccer than football, but this country makes you do it :)

I agree that FIFA is still fun even though PES is a lot more realistic. FIFA is a different game when played against friends, it's a puzzle, you keep having to come up with a counter plan to what's going on. It's more of a puzzle solving than performing realistic moves.

[lariz]

Fifa in general is shit (especially that piece of crap 2002, out of the ones ive played) but fifa 2005 is a step in the right direction i think although i have only played the demo.
But tbh, i dont believe pes/we could be described as a sim either. For a start they need to sort out the curling which you still cant control, and even the automatic curl isnt accurate.

[slamsoze]

Firstly, I'm a serious football fan (it tends to be Americans who insist on using the term 'soccer'). Yes, I'm aware of the origin of the word, but I'm talking about the present day.

Anyway, have you even played FIFA 2005?! It's quite a good game actually, and there's room for different approaches to simulating football. For realism, I prefer PES4; but for outright fun, I love to play FIFA 2005. As for licences, PES4 can be easily patched with Kitserver/the Wolf patch- and the resulting kits etc look great! Many aspects of FIFA 2005 should be commended, such as Player Runs, and Off The Ball (when used properly). Okay, it is far more arcade-like than PES4, but it is still highly enjoyable. Come on, there's much more to it than Football Champ (90's arcade game). What's wrong with having fun? So what if it isn't a realistic representation of football! I'm glad that the two games are totally different.

FIFA 2005 is a great game for it's 'pick up and play' qualities- you can have so much fun playing against friends. PES4 is far more 'involved', and takes ages to learn how to play effectively. PES games are highly frustrating for the beginner, whereas FIFA is much more 'user-friendly'. FIFA 2004 was a complete joke, and think EA have just tweaked the passing in the 2005 version really. It's a much better game now, but EA are a bunch of lazy b******s when all's said and done. FIFA 2005 is what the 2004 version should have been.

My prefered game is PES4, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying FIFA 2005...

Realistic fun= PES4
Adrenaline-based fun= FIFA2005


Ok strikergoal i prefer saying football than soccer too!I am not american i am european.I come from Greece!!!But i must tell you that i said soccer cause the original title is PESoccer.If KONAMI release it as PEFootball i'll be glad to say it Football.There are also guys from USA in the forum so..I dont have any problem with anyone in the forum.And listen this.I played FIFA2005 versus my friend and we finished 5-4,4-3,6-3!!!!,2-4 on 6 minutes mode.In PES3 on 10 minutes we finshed 1-0,2-1,2-2,3-1,3-2,0-1.Which is more realistic???

E.P.Sorry about my english guys!!!!

[hedache]

It's still known as FIFA Soccer in the US. European prints are football but the US copy is still sold as FIFA Soccer 2005. Since they can't call it football, it makes sense.

[Nedeljko]

I think FIFA is more for kids than real footbal fans. They have beautifull menus great music many clubs but when it comes to gameplay those cool thinks just can`t make it better. FIFA sucks. I play it every year and every year i´m more and more pissed and dissapointed. So many expectations but than we get a stupid arcade game for kids.

[hedache]

Hey I still feel like a kid at 31, I play FIFA and have fun when it's multiplayer. Multiplayer is a whole different thing. I wouldn't waste a minute on FIFA by myself but multiplayer anything is fun. On the other hand, I spend crazy amounts of time on PES master league. But I don't think i'll ever spend the same total amount of time i've spent on sensible soccer on any game ever, it's probably impossible.

[slamsoze]

I used to love Kick Off 2 (Commodore Amiga- back in 1990). The more I play PES4, the more I can see how 'one-dimensional' FIFA 2005 is. As I wrote before, I really enjoy playing FIFA 2005 online, as it really gets the adrenaline running!

Well, after playing eight league matches tonight against the PC (3 stars)- I won 6, and drew 2- in most games I scored 2 goals! I'm getting there, and can finally see why people keep writing that FIFA is for kids! There's just so much more depth to PES 4, and FIFA is just so scripted and basic in comparison!! I find that I can beat the PC pretty easily on 'World Class', at FIFA 2005- not good!

Anyway, some football games that I've enjoyed:- Kick Off 2; FIFA '94; World Cup '98; Actua Soccer 2; FIFA 2001; FIFA 2003; FIFA 2005... and the creme da la creme- Pro Evolution Soccer 4!!!!!!




Ok thats good.some football games i liked were:SuperSidekicks Soccer series and Virtual Striker for coin-op,InternationalSuperstarSocce r and ISSDeluxe for Snes,Kick off 2 and Football generation!!!A quite preety game for PC by Ubisoft,all PES series for PC and PSX.Also liked ISS for N64 and FIFA 96 & 97 for Snes!

[Nick Neville]

Hey I still feel like a kid at 31, ...... but I don't think i'll ever spend the same total amount of time i've spent on sensible soccer on any game ever, it's probably impossible.

Sensible Soccer is the best football game ever. It's a true classic, Pro Evo is the closest thing to it mind.

The best thing about Sensible was the cult teams, like the rockstar, celebrity chef and tv cop elevens. If konami did some stupid stuff like that it'd be cool!!!

[slamsoze]

Sensible Soccer is the best football game ever. It's a true classic, Pro Evo is the closest thing to it mind.

The best thing about Sensible was the cult teams, like the rockstar, celebrity chef and tv cop elevens. If konami did some stupid stuff like that it'd be cool!!!


Sorry guys unfortunately i haven't ever played Sensible Soccer.I only have some screenshots

[Ouroboros]

FIFA is ok, not terrible, but not a patch on PES. I remember the first time I played PES (before FIFA was all I knew :(), and I just though "Wow. This is so much BETTER! It feels like real football!"

However I will not buy a FIFA game anymore because they are made by EA, whose recent actions (buying exclusive rights to NFL license (not that I like/follow american football, It's just a truly low thing to do, and a bad omen for the future :(), buying out Ubisoft etc) have just crossed the line. However I'm certainly not Konami's biggest fan, it's more of a lesser of two evils thing :)

One thing konami could learn from EA is how to make decent ports! PES on the PC is a masterclass in shit coding...

[CtrlAltDel]

i dont have a problem with EA buying the rights to the NFL license, anyone else could have done it, so it was fair game. the ea fifa games are pretty too look at, and them having all those licenses is nice, but the game plays too unrealistic, which is why we are all here playing we/pes.

first time i played we/pes i was in the same spot ouroboros is thinking 'this is better...it feels like real football'

[slamsoze]

Sorry guys unfortunately i haven't ever played Sensible Soccer.I only have some screenshots

[slamsoze]

[slamsoze]

I played FIFA 2005 and if found many bugs to the referee.He blows stupid fouls he does nt give advantages and the offsides are really disapointing!

[Nowudi]

I have always been an EA Sports FIFA Football fan and had never tried Pro Evolution Soccer Series (I think it was because when I started playing FIFA on the PC PES was a console only game). However the FIFA 2004 effort had me spitting feathers with the score from anywhere with ease and the downright neglect in the menu system (they wouldn’t even let you map your own keys…and as for creating your own tournaments, forget it! They weren’t going to let you design your own tournies with Euro 2004 coming up and them wanting to punt a version of that!)

Anyway, all that really mugged me off and I decided that PES4 on the PC would be my first foray into the PES experience at the expense of FIFA 2005. So I loaded up PES4 and immediately saw what the FIFA series had over PES…official Licenses. It was disappointing to see my team described as Old Firm Blue and all the other British Teams (and most of the others) with equally unlikely monikers. So a took a quick look on the PES Forums and soon found the brilliant Wolf Furry Evolution patch that (on the pc at least) restored all the proper names, strips and flags to the teams (all hail Wolf Furry or whatever their names are for taking the time and trouble to produce this excellent patch for nothing…you have made thousands of people very happy!).

Now as a FIFA veteran I was in for a few surprises in the game play stakes. I tried to run up the field skipping past the opposition with a quick press of the acceleration key (no chance). I tried quickly passing it without looking where it was going as on FIFA an aimless pass would inevitably end up on one of your players feet (it didn’t work either!) In front of goal I tried blasting the ball in the general direction of the goalmouth and expected to see it nestling in the back of the net (My Shots went sailing over or wide every time) I tried the set piece free-kicks and corners which, once you had worked it out, resulted in a goal every time on FIFA (It was impossible to replicate the same move every time on PES)

As I played more of PES4 I realised you had to take your time, to build up moves and to be composed in front of goal. As I did the rewards began to reveal themselves - engrossing games that required real concentration. If you played a weaker team and didn’t give it the same concentration as a cup final, they would beat you. Each game was individual – no exploiting the same move for an easy goal as in the FIFA games. I slowly began to realise what the defining difference was between these two franchises - FIFA was about aesthetics while PES was about an accurate simulation of a football game. I had stumbled upon football gold and to think if it wasn’t for the rip-off that was FIFA 2004 I would probably never have tried it – thanks for that at least EA Sports!

As a little postscript I saw FIFA 2005 at a bargain price on the Internet and after reading some rave reviews decided to give it a chance. And to my surprise it was actually quite good with a good tourney construction option (better than PES4’s) and game play that seemed oddly familiar. I soon realised that the boys at EA Sports had been peeking over the shoulders of the PES boys and as a result there were many allusions to the gameplay of PES in the new FIFA game – no more shooting from anywhere or charging through the opposition. If you can’t beat them join them I suppose. However, PES has a jump on FIFA on having the experience in producing a proper simulation and definitely comes out tops overall.

There is a place for the FIFA series of course and those who like all the glitzy razzmatazz with maybe less challenging game play would be well placed going for FIFA. PES is more of a true simulation and therefore a bit more down and dirty. In general terms I think that FIFA would appeal more to a younger audience (say under 14’s) while PES is a more mature game. I am sure there are under 14’s out there who prefer PES and older players who prefer FIFA but generally I think my statement holds true. PES could take a few lessons from FIFA2005 in the menu and options stakes but the boys and girls at the FIFA franchise will be doing most of the note taking for the foreseeable future.

[CtrlAltDel]

I don't think that the FIFA 2005 graphics are anything to write home about, and I use a 6800GT graphics card. I much prefer the graphics of PES4- especially when patched (kits, ad boards etc). The 'Broadcast 2' camera view, beats anything that FIFA 2005 offers!! As far as realism is concerned, I like both styles of game. I prefer to play FIFA 2005 online- and it is extremely good fun when played a good opponent (who doesn't use dirty tactics like long 'Off the Ball' 'bullet' passes, and dirty fouls etc). With PES 4, I find it far more of a 'deep', immersive game- and prefer to play it against the computer.

FIFA 2005= Fast-paced arcade action.
PES4= slow-paced simulation action.

I don't know why people can't enjoy both games! :/


you just proved my point and didnt even notice

by 'looking better' i meant that it had all the licenses, etc, w/o having to download a 400mb patch, or add in the various parts you want to by hand like we do for pes/we.

my biggest complaint about pes/we on the pc right now is the lack of 360 degree support...the 8-way circa 1994 controls suck and are annoying

[Matt2005]

Now PES 4 is imense, it beats FIFA games anyday i reckon. i think the best FIFA games that can out tho was FIFA 99

[MaccaMCFC]

Kick Off 2 by Anco was the daddy of them all