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Manchester United and Chelsea go head-to-head at Old Trafford with a Carling Cup final date with Liverpool the prize for the victors.
After a goalless draw at Stamford Bridge, two of the best defences in the country will be thoroughly examined by some of Europe's top attackers in what should be a fascinating contest.
Arjen Robben returns for the visitors after being suspended for the first leg and defender Robert Huth is also in the squad.
Jose Mourinho is without Scott Parker and Ricardo Carvalho but the Portuguese boss will select a strong side with the first of four trophies available for The Blues moving within touching distance.
Carlo Cudicini is expected to keep his place in goal as he has been preferred in this competition.
Chelsea have a good record at Old Trafford but Sir Alex Ferguson is unbeaten in domestic semi-finals since taking charge of The Red Devils.
The United chief welcomes Alan Smith back into the fold after his ankle injury and, despite promising a couple of changes, the Scot is likely to field a powerful starting XI.
Darren Fletcher is an absentee after hurting his ankle against Aston Villa, which could excuse a starting spot for skipper Roy Keane, even though the Irishman has yet to figure in the Carling Cup this term.
Ferguson has hinted Louis Saha, John O'Shea, Wes Brown, Quinton Fortune and Smith will all be involved.
"It is a temptation to play a strong team," said Ferguson. "I'm giving it serious consideration."
If the scores are level after 90 minutes, the tie will go into extra time. Away goals will only count after the additional 30 minutes, which could be of benefit to Chelsea.
I just placed all whats on me on man u. I hope they dont fuck up :D
Highway Penguin
26-01-2005, 00:21
Haha.
I'd like to see Chelsea pull away with it.
AgentZero
26-01-2005, 00:28
dont fail me united my 200 points r on dem:D:D
United win.
They must get a trophy this season and Fergie realises this is the only realistic chance for them, whereas Chelsea are still looking good in England and Europe.
That will mean a strong United side.
Stella Artois
26-01-2005, 12:32
All my points on Chelsea as I hate United.
Fraz_Maitland
26-01-2005, 12:45
it's got to be a United win, they'll hopefully kick the shit out of Chelsea just as they do to us anytime we play them
codename 47
26-01-2005, 13:12
1000 on man utd they better not suff up :mad:
Two teams in Tampa, they'll soon be two teams in Tampa...
He's fat, he's round, he's going to sell your ground...Glazier, Glazier.
Chelsea win, of course.
Giggsy11
26-01-2005, 13:45
i placed 1000 on man utd, my first bet :)
Foxhound
26-01-2005, 13:52
*prays* please let manutd win
i placed 1000 on man utd, my first bet :)
Good luck ;)
C'mon you Red Devils... :D
1000 on man utd but not too sure about this game :confused:
Ronaldo 9
26-01-2005, 14:51
I made a bit with 300 points on MAN UTD.. I hope they do it..
Scarface
26-01-2005, 16:27
I can only see Chelsea winning. Both teams should be near full-strength, and it will be tight, but Chelsea will give Mourinho a special 42nd birthday present.
As long as it is very competitive, has a punch-up, goes into extra-time, and both teams have at least 1 player injured, I don't care who wins ;)
Redbloke
26-01-2005, 16:58
I think United will just scrape it with home advantage. Alan Smith should be back for us and I think that our current unbeaten run will see us through. I'll make my first bet of 200 to put my points where my mouth is!
i have to agree with Redbloke we are on form and to be honest i cant see anyone stopping us yet...500 on united..
i have to agree with Redbloke we are on form and to be honest i cant see anyone stopping us yet...500 on united..
You seem to be forgetting that Chelsea have won their last 7 Premiership games without conceding a goal, that's why I feel they'll nick it 1-0.
Stella Artois
26-01-2005, 18:18
i have to agree with Redbloke we are on form and to be honest i cant see anyone stopping us yet...500 on united..
Can't see anyone stopping you...HAHAHAHA.
Oh dear, that made me laugh. :D
Chelsea nowadays are a side where if they go 1-0 up, it's really hard to see them losing. So like GaryG, I reckon it will be 1-0 to Chelsea.
I reckon ManYoo will win 1-0.
A goal from Smudger.
You seem to be forgetting that Chelsea have won their last 7 Premiership games without conceding a goal, that's why I feel they'll nick it 1-0.
I hope your right, I hope it's John Terry too.
Then I hope there are no problems in withdrawing my £120 from SportingOdds.com!
Tenacious D
26-01-2005, 19:02
im not going to bet because everytime I do bet on chelsea they lose or have drawn. :)
Go Chelsea! 0-1 Lampard scores 28 min
Tenacious D
26-01-2005, 20:46
Go Chelsea! 0-1 Lampard scores 28 min
That's all because i haven't voted :) Man U have played better but chelsea have looked tight like usually at the back.
Man U have to win now otherwise they can't get through :) :) :)
That's all because i haven't voted :) Man U have played better but chelsea have looked tight like usually at the back.
Man U have to win now otherwise they can't get through :) :) :)
You serious?THey HAVE to win? :p
Tenacious D
26-01-2005, 20:58
You serious?THey HAVE to win? :p
Yup so im all set...I have english coursework for tommrow but do you think im going to do that when my teams playing :rolleyes:
bbjaylive
26-01-2005, 20:59
man u will cum bak strong 2nd half go to http://www.irib.ir/live/tv3.asx to watch it
Stella Artois
26-01-2005, 21:02
Not a chance in hell. Chelsea will win! And I will collect big time on the 1700+ points I bet on them!
Mwahahahaha!
bad quality
but i can see it at least
Scarface
26-01-2005, 21:13
bad quality
but i can see it at least
Have you encountered the wonderful green-filled upside-down football yet? It's a great experience I tell you :p.
Cheers for providing the link bbjaylive, at least I can see some of the action while listening to the commentary on Radio5Live.
Few bad fouls going about now. This one is gonna get ugly :)
bbjaylive
26-01-2005, 21:26
ok
yes it turns upside down aswell
bbjaylive
26-01-2005, 21:27
1-1
bbjaylive
26-01-2005, 21:28
would man u still have to score another one
andy_j_e
26-01-2005, 21:31
would man u still have to score another one
Eventually, yes. At the moment it goes into extra time(30 mins.) after that if it's 1-1 or 2-2 away goals count. They dont count until the full extra time has been played
Scarface
26-01-2005, 21:32
would man u still have to score another one
Yes. If it stays 1-1 after 90 mins it will go until extra time, if it stays 1-1 after extra time, Chelsea will go through on away goals.
Basically, Man U have to win, and if Chelsea win or draw they go through.
bbjaylive
26-01-2005, 21:33
Eventually, yes. At the moment it goes into extra time(30 mins.) after that if it's 1-1 or 2-2 away goals count. They dont count until the full extra time has been played
ok
thnks
hope man u win!
bbjaylive
26-01-2005, 21:34
Yes. If it stays 1-1 after 90 mins it will go until extra time, if it stays 1-1 after extra time, Chelsea will go through on away goals.
Basically, Man U have to win, and if Chelsea win or draw they go through.
o no
andy_j_e
26-01-2005, 21:37
Does the betting count on penalties?
Tenacious D
26-01-2005, 21:41
Does the betting count on penalties?
I swear it can't go to penalties :confused:
Scarface
26-01-2005, 21:42
Does the betting count on penalties?
I don't think it's possible it can go to penalties now. If it is still a draw after extra tine, Chelsea will go through on away goals.
But no, the betting is just for the score after 90 minutes.
Bit of a mess-up in the Man U defence there. 2-1 Duff, that should be Chelsea in the final now surely.
Tenacious D
26-01-2005, 21:42
Don't talk about extra time 2-1 :) whoooHOOO
andy_j_e
26-01-2005, 21:43
Nnnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooo!!!!!! !!!! 2-1!
I didn't think about it not going to penalties, im just nervous, you're lovin' it aren't you Reyes?!
Im almost cryin'
Off the line!! I cant take it!
ah thats gonna earn me some points
Good to hear
Tenacious D
26-01-2005, 21:52
2-1 chelsea in the FINAL WHOOHOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
Tenacious D
26-01-2005, 21:57
Lucky bastards.
Lucky who cares? :rolleyes: you need some luck that's what I say :) I'm to happy and it's only the carling cup final imagine if we win the league ;)
I don't want to make enemies with all the Chelski fans on this board so I guess I will refrain, but for 60 minutes of that game you were totally outplayed.
But fuck it... enjoy your success... It wont be long before the Russian commissions search for the missing state subsidies.
Highway Penguin
26-01-2005, 22:03
Liverpool and Chelsea.
Looking forward to it.
andy_j_e
26-01-2005, 22:05
I am gutted, so close! Only the FA Cup left now, with Chelsea getting the league and Barca, the Champions League.
Scarface
26-01-2005, 22:13
Nnnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooo!!!!!! !!!! 2-1!
I didn't think about it not going to penalties, im just nervous, you're lovin' it aren't you Reyes?!
I honestly didn't mind who won, but just hoped it would go into extra time to wear both teams down a bit. Had it been in the League i'd have been routing for Man U obviously, but as it was the League Cup I couldn't care less.
I just hope Liverpool now beat Chelsea in the final, but I can't see it happening.
It is strange how there was all this talk about how Chelsea will need time to gel, but it seems it's Arsenal and Man utd's defence are the one's that need to gel together :rolleyes:
What a lucky Chelsea.
Argh... Lost 25000.
Chelsea's as good as being the League Cup champions already :(
Great game, I thought we were far better in the first half, then in the first 30 minutes of the second half United played really well.
You can all keep dreaming of Abramovich somehow being extradited and all that, it just makes you a laughing stock. In the words of Sweeney, "Abramovich, in Russia, is untouchable". Tough to swallow, eh?
Time for my first visit to the Millenium Stadium!
Edit: Quentin Fortune, what a dirty diving sod. Did the same knee-high lunge on Drogba in the first leg and got away with it. Right infront of the fourth official this time as well. Nice to see Keane showing his frustrations by fouling Lampard, who walked all over him, every chance he got.
Also I feared that Heinze or Keane, or some other Man Utd thug would end up injuring Robben, when in fact after 30 minutes Robben had floored them both!
The Dubes
27-01-2005, 01:17
Lets all laugh at Man U :)
Great game, I thought we were far better in the first half, then in the first 30 minutes of the second half United played really well.
For the first 25 minutes we were much the better side. Allbeit, after that you started to look dangerous.
You can all keep dreaming of Abramovich somehow being extradited and all that, it just makes you a laughing stock. In the words of Sweeney, "Abramovich, in Russia, is untouchable". Tough to swallow, eh?
It's tough to swallow because it's sad football has gotten to the state where a criminal can buy a team, then buy success. Anyway, there's no shame in hoping for justice.
Edit: Quentin Fortune, what a dirty diving sod. Did the same knee-high lunge on Drogba in the first leg and got away with it.
Knee lunge? Lmao, you mean the leg tap when Drogba went over like he'd been shot?
Of course, if you're implying that you were hard done by the officials, I could easily point to the stonewall penalty we were denied.
Part of my affection for this place dies when I see posts like that.
Football's a subjective game, so don't try and get all conclusive and declare your equally biased subjective opinion is more accurate and definitive.
No problem in hoping for justice, but when there's no evidence whatsoever linking Abramovich with anything illegitimate or illegal then I'm inclined to think that calling him a criminal is just slander provoked by jealousy and a fear of inferiority. Be my guest to speak truthfully about Abramovich, but don't feed me that old 'criminal waah waaah waah, buying the title, waaah waah waaaah' rubbish, because it just highlights jealousy and a lack of knowledge of the situation.
Isn't it funny how the definition of a stonewall penalty is different to Manchester United fans than it is to the rest of the penalty. Brainwashed by Ronaldo I think.
Football's a subjective game, so don't try and get all conclusive and declare your equally biased subjective opinion is more accurate and definitive.
I was watching the match with four neutral mates, all of whom thought that United were the better team for the majority of the match. I thought it was fairly obvious that my above post was also my opinion due to the fact that I said it.
Your original post gave your opinions on the match, my post gave mine. Where is the problem?
No problem in hoping for justice, but when there's no evidence whatsoever linking Abramovich with anything illegitimate or illegal then I'm inclined to think that calling him a criminal is just slander provoked by jealousy and a fear of inferiority.
He made his money decieving the Russian people, just like all the other Oligarchs. Whether criminal evidence is apparent or not, the fact remains that he has raped Russia for every last penny.
Even if the money WAS legitemately earned, I would still have a problem with any club gaining 'infinite money' from a source with no connection to football. I don't have a problem with rich clubs who earned their money through revenue of the business, but regardless of how Abramovich got his rubles, I still believe what he's done with Chelski is wrong.
Isn't it funny how the definition of a stonewall penalty is different to Manchester United fans than it is to the rest of the penalty. Brainwashed by Ronaldo I think.
What are you talking about?
i heard something about Roman being criminal..but back on sublect as theirs no proof..
i dont think that it does the sport any good to be truthfuly honest of having a billionaire like Abramavich running a club.it sort of takes the enjoyment out of it for every other fan in the Prem apart from Chelsea..and for a while now they will just keep buying their success..i think they should genuinly challenge for it with United and Arsenal. that would make it more enjoyable and exciting.
i thought it wasnt a clear penalty but we could well have got one for it. but i definetely agree with the refs that if you arent sure dont give it.
this is all my opinion before anyone starts having a go at me.
Stop multi-quoting. It's a tedious and dull argument structure that just makes you look pedantic.
Don't deny you tried to come over all defintive and conclusive when replying to my post. The fact you've got 4 friends to back up your opinion surprisingly counts for shit.
Besides, my friends are bigger than yours anyway.
You didn't get the thing about Abramovich did you? "He made his money deceiving the people of Russia" - again, an example of you trying to convey definitive knowledge you simply don't have. Abramovich is guilty of absolutely nothing - you however are guilty of slander and general jealous bullshitting. Lock away the farking key.
The Ronaldo reference was about how you've become so used to winning free kicks for the slightest (sometimes non-existant) touches that know you believe Bridge and Fortune brushing each others legs constitutes a penalty.
Well it was a pretty fair result though man utd had most chances chelsea just had the finishing touch that man utd lacked,terry played outstanding not too sure about lampard being man of the match.Wats the deal about roman talk about wats going on the pitch, but overall probably fair result man utd controlled first half without providing too much threat but cech saved the day really mourinhos decison to play him was justified.Giggs goal was the best out the lot and man utd played well aswell shame about some decisions the penalty but im sure it will even itself out through the season (hopefully).
Don't deny you tried to come over all defintive and conclusive when replying to my post.
Not at all. I gave my opinions on the game. The only actual statement I made about the game was that I thought we were the better team in the first 20 minutes... If you don't want to accept that then fine, you're entitled to your opinion.
Abramovich's money: It doesn't take a genius to realise he made his money by raping the Russian people for every penny they had. It's true that no criminal charges can stick, but if you knew anything about what the Oilgarchs had done to Russia then you would probably have a different view of Abramovich.
You're right that he probably has acted legally, but I guess the fact that he may give Chelski a bit of silverware makes up for any moral problems you would have had with this money had it gone to another club.
I find it funny that you describe Fotune's 'knee-high lunge', whilst the penalty was just a 'brush'. Bridge tripped over Fortune in the box. He didn't make any contact with the ball. Penalty.
The Ronaldo reference was about how you've become so used to winning free kicks for the slightest (sometimes non-existant) touches
Yeah, because Chelski never get dubious decisions.
Fortune dug his studs into Drogba's knee cap/leg in both ties, both times Drogba was in the air.
As good as he is in the air, he can't defy gravitational physics. Therefore if some thug like Fortune comes in knee high studs up on him, with him being completely off the ground, he is going to spin in the air before landing on his arse. It's physics.
For the penalty, Fortune is heading away from the goal, would've lost the ball to Makelele. Bridge was a bit daft, but watching the replay from the front of each player, Bridge sticks his leg out, immediately retracts it, has his foot on the ground before Fortune does, then Fortune's leg brushes Bridge's leg. Then, typically, he jumps 4ft up in the air, flailing arms and legs in different directions, Old Trafford goes silent in shock as a Manchester United player falls in the area and a penalty isn't given.
The hypocrisy is incredible. I say how you're trying to be definitive and conclusive and undermine my opinions while simultaneously making yourself out to be more knowledgable. You categorically deny this. Then say this:
The only actual statement I made about the game was that I thought we were the better team in the first 20 minutes
So that's a yes, I was trying to be definitive and conclusive, then?
Dodgy decisions? Ok, Tiago handball at Liverpool. That's the only one I can think of. Then we've been denied clear penalties at Aston Villa, Norwich, Fulham and Tottenham. Nice try though, doesn't cut the ice outside of Old Trafford.
And you really don't learn, you know nothing of Abramovich, so don't slander him and feign knowledge. While he's spick and span and not even under investigation like Berezovsky and Khodorkovsky, then these allegations against him just look absolutely pathetic.
Fortune dug his studs into Drogba's knee cap/leg in both ties, both times Drogba was in the air.
As good as he is in the air, he can't defy gravitational physics. Therefore if some thug like Fortune comes in knee high studs up on him, with him being completely off the ground, he is going to spin in the air before landing on his arse. It's physics.
For the penalty, Fortune is heading away from the goal, would've lost the ball to Makelele. Bridge was a bit daft, but watching the replay from the front of each player, Bridge sticks his leg out, immediately retracts it, has his foot on the ground before Fortune does, then Fortune's leg brushes Bridge's leg. Then, typically, he jumps 4ft up in the air, flailing arms and legs in different directions, Old Trafford goes silent in shock as a Manchester United player falls in the area and a penalty isn't given.
The hypocrisy is incredible. I say how you're trying to be definitive and conclusive and undermine my opinions while simultaneously making yourself out to be more knowledgable. You categorically deny this. Then say this:
So that's a yes, I was trying to be definitive and conclusive, then?
Dodgy decisions? Ok, Tiago handball at Liverpool. That's the only one I can think of. Then we've been denied clear penalties at Aston Villa, Norwich, Fulham and Tottenham. Nice try though, doesn't cut the ice outside of Old Trafford.
And you really don't learn, you know nothing of Abramovich, so don't slander him and feign knowledge. While he's spick and span and not even under investigation like Berezovsky and Khodorkovsky, then these allegations against him just look absolutely pathetic.
God doesn't he go on
The only thing worse than tedious arguments with opinionated people, is the amount of idiots who love to interrupt.
Well done though, one more post and ten more points. Keep saving.
Cannon ball
27-01-2005, 21:24
Just wait til chelsea play good ol' man blue then we'll see who's winning :D
The only thing worse than tedious arguments with opinionated people, is the amount of idiots who love to interrupt.
Well done though, one more post and ten more points. Keep saving.
Sorry, I thought this was a public board. Oooh, ten more points. At this rate I'll be able to buy the Premiership like Chelsea.
Fortune's tackle on Drogba in the first leg was a bad challenge. For me, the tackle in the second leg was total play acting. From memory Fortune's foot was nowhere near Droga's knee, and seeing Drogba collapsing on the ground clutching his leg only to get up a few moments later looked more like a spot of play acting than physics.
For the penalty, Fortune was going nowhere, and was about to lose the ball. Bridge stuck a leg out and tripped Fortune over. Bridge tripped over Fortune in the box and didn;t get any contact on the ball. Under that premise, it was a penalty.
I say how you're trying to be definitive and conclusive and undermine my opinions while simultaneously making yourself out to be more knowledgable. You categorically deny this. Then say this:
The only actual statement I made about the game was that I thought we were the better team in the first 20 minutes
So that's a yes, I was trying to be definitive and conclusive, then?
I think the key word there is thought. I stated my opinion that we were the better team in the first 20 minutes. This pissing contest you seem to be initiating about me trying to somehow give the impression that my opinions are more valid than yours is just silly, and sounds slightly paranoid, especially when there's nothing to suggest I was trying to sound conclusive at any point, and I was merely givin my own opinion.
As for dubious decision, I really meant it. Chelski never get dubious decisions.
Just wait til chelsea play good ol' man blue then we'll see who's winning :D
Don't know what it is with Keegan, but you lot gave us a tough game last season. You had all the posession then Eidur nicked a goal and we won it 1-0. Then you do us 1-0 this season. You're certainly not our favourite team at the moment! Although it looks as though Anelka's on his way now.
First leg, studs high on Drogba's knee. The foul in the return leg was on his leg, like I said, although still a knee high challenge when in a standing position. Still as malicious as the first tackle and again Drogba was in the air, there wasn't much he could do but spin around and fall on his arse.
The debate about you becoming all conclusive was because of your posts when you tried to correct my opinion about the game, which you did. You even said it, rather than an opinion it was a declarative statement.
Fortune dive. Bridge foul. Whatever. Not going to be settled anytime soon I believe.
The debate about you becoming all conclusive was because of your posts when you tried to correct my opinion about the game, which you did. You even said it, rather than an opinion it was a declarative statement.
Correct your opinion? Not at all. I gave my own opinion on the match. I'm tired of you whining at how I was correcting your opinions when I clearly wasn't.
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