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Sagdiyev
02-04-2006, 20:11
Can't wait for The Game's new album, his last one was phenominal.
i reccomend Shyne's album , all of the songs in it are great (no bullshitting)
If that is really Dre's album i can only really say the guest list is rather appauling
Can't wait for The Game's new album, his last one was phenominal.
i really do second that ;)
Sagdiyev
02-04-2006, 23:31
My favourite Hip-Hop song ever has to be.....
California Love - 2 Pac & Dr. Dre
Anyway, I'm off, Cya.
cya,mine is
Nothin' but a g thang - snoop and dre.:cool:
My favourite Hip-Hop song ever has to be.....
California Love - 2 Pac & Dr. Dre
Anyway, I'm off, Cya.
You haven't really heard a lot of hip-hop songs then?
Detox has probably had tens of release dates, so don't get too excited :tongue:
Source: www.aftermath-entertainment.com/
Source: www.d12world.com/board
PRESS RELEASE -
Interscope Records subsidiary Aftermath Entertainment has announced today the release date of the upcoming album and tracklist of C.E.O Dr. Dre. "Detox", the final official album by Dr. Dre, is the most highly anticipated album on the label. "Detox" will be released November 16, 2006, to coincide with the 7-year anniversary of Dr. Dre's "2001" album. The official tracklist has 17 total songs, with 1 to be announced at a later date.
"Don't worry about the last track...I got something special under wraps, " said Dr. Dre, "you'll hear about that one as 11/16/06 comes close."
The album will feature some of hip-hops most influential artists and producers, including, Ice Cube, Jay-Z, Eminem, Ice-T, Scott Storch, and Busta Rhymes.
Official Tracklist of 'Detox'
01 - "Detox" (Intro)
02 - "Fuck Wit Dre Day 2" (featuring Snoop Dogg and Ice-T)
03 - "Going Back To Compton" (featuring Kurupt)
04 - "The Godfather" (featuring Eminem and 50 Cent)
05 - "Get Well Soon" (featuring Busta Rhymes and Bishop Lamont)
05 - "Car Crash" (Interlude, featuring the voices of Tupac Shakur and Christopher Wallace)
06 - "The Clinic" (featuring Mary J. Blige)
07 - "Hoods Is Watching" (featuring Jay-Z and Nas)
08 - "Where I'm Standing (In The Game)" (featuring Eminem)
09 - "Tear It Up" (featuring Nate Dogg and Snoop Dogg)
10 - "Fucked A Pornstar (featuring Jenna Jameson and 50 Cent)
11 - "Paddy Wagon" (Interlude)
12 - "Say Your Last Rites" (featuring The Game)
13 - "7 Mac Elevens"
14 - "Gangsta Life Sentence"
15 - "Sighting Seeing" (featuring G-Unit)
16 - "Victory Champagne" (featuring Nate Dogg)
17 - (Unannounced)
This is copied and pasted so I'm not fully certain theres truth in it. It could be an April Fools trick someone has played but its the best I've seen so far.
That's probably BS. Is it that Jenna Jameson-the pornstar? If so then the work I've seen from her is great (:rolleyes:), but rap? :mellow:
Highway Penguin
13-04-2006, 02:11
Well I've got two questions, the first is about Brown Pride Riders and whether anyone knows anything about them? Which is their best album? I have got one of their songs on my iPod and love it. Or at least I think it's them, they have a song in "Double Take" and that's where I know it from.
The second is about Dead Prez. I'm looking to buy one of their albums, but I'm not sure which to go for. Price isn't a problem as they are all the same, so I'm wondering which is the best of the bunch? Thanks for any replies. :)
Scarface
22-04-2006, 01:19
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/4197/b000ehq8c801aa240sclzzzzzzz6cw .jpg
1. King Back 4:38
2. Front Back (Featuring UGK) 3:43
3. What You Know 4:08
4. I'm Talkin' To You 5:06
5. Live In The Sky (Featuring Jamie Foxx) 5:46
6. Ride Wit Me 4:05
7. The Breakup 1:57
8. Why You Wanna 3:50
9. Get It
10. Top Back 4:42
11. I'm Straight (Featuring BG and Young Jeezy) 6:36
12. Undertaker (Featuring Young Buck and Young Dro) 4:13
13. Stand Up Guy 3:02
14. You Know Who 2:54
15. Goodlife (Featuring Pharrell and Common) 4:28
16. Hello (Featuring Governor) 3:35
17. Told You So 4:23
18. Bankhead (Featuring P$C and Young Dro) 4:26
Anyone else got this album? What do you think of it?
Gun_Runner
22-04-2006, 13:05
Those Jay/Nas and Jenna/50 cent track lead me to believe that the playlist is fake.
Jay-Z and Nas arent enemies anymore though..
anyone have any mixtapes that i could download?i like listening to Hiphop/Rap music when im on the net.
C.C. try the new D-block mixtape.
Got T.I.'s album a couple of months ago its really good but i dont think its better then his urban legend album.
I'm Straight
Live In The Sky
What You Know
Undertaker
Why You Wanna
Great tracks.
Overall 7/10
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/4197/b000ehq8c801aa240sclzzzzzzz6cw .jpg
1. King Back 4:38
2. Front Back (Featuring UGK) 3:43
3. What You Know 4:08
4. I'm Talkin' To You 5:06
5. Live In The Sky (Featuring Jamie Foxx) 5:46
6. Ride Wit Me 4:05
7. The Breakup 1:57
8. Why You Wanna 3:50
9. Get It
10. Top Back 4:42
11. I'm Straight (Featuring BG and Young Jeezy) 6:36
12. Undertaker (Featuring Young Buck and Young Dro) 4:13
13. Stand Up Guy 3:02
14. You Know Who 2:54
15. Goodlife (Featuring Pharrell and Common) 4:28
16. Hello (Featuring Governor) 3:35
17. Told You So 4:23
18. Bankhead (Featuring P$C and Young Dro) 4:26
Anyone else got this album? What do you think of it?
this album is great.
C.C. try the new D-block mixtape.
Got T.I.'s album a couple of months ago its really good but i dont think its better then his urban legend album.
I'm Straight
Live In The Sky
What You Know
Undertaker
Why You Wanna
Great tracks.
Overall 7/10
thanks and i will see that it sounds sound:erm:.
btw,Anyone have a link for a download?
fahdbari
22-04-2006, 15:41
^^ lol got it ages ago...its kl - bankhead is hot.
Gnarls Barkley - St.Elsewhere...im feelin this...
www.thegangstanation.com - u can get loads of latest albums etc here...
thanks for that Fahdbari ;).im joined up im called $$$ben$$$:laugh:
wrigh2uk
25-04-2006, 22:59
anyone have any mixtapes that i could download?i like listening to Hiphop/Rap music when im on the net.
sign up to dashadyboard.com... there download section is one of the best on the net in my opinion, forum wise anyway
thanks and i will do that later.
Eric Clyde
27-04-2006, 13:11
sign up to dashadyboard.com... there download section is one of the best on the net in my opinion, forum wise anyway
Just signed up mate. The download sections are private.
EDIT: Just read the rules. Looks like I have to be there for awhile.
Ogopa Djz
29-04-2006, 14:31
Jay-Z and Nas arent enemies anymore though..
i know...but before they do a track with dre they'll do a track with a producer from the east coast.
If you're looking for downloads just go to illesty.com or albumbase.com
thanks i signed up on Albumbase and downloaded T.I's King album.Tis mazin';).
thanks i signed up on Albumbase and downloaded T.I's King album.Tis mazin';).
its a great album, has anyone heard mobb deeps new album blood money? i heard it and i dont think its all that
ive heard it.It aint too great.but its ok.
wrigh2uk
29-04-2006, 20:46
i never expected it too be much, not with 50 behind the scenes of it. I suppose no one can shit to mobb deep. They've done enough real hip hop albums to make a commercial album and get some big money..
Eric Clyde
29-04-2006, 21:22
has anyone heard mobb deeps new album blood money? i heard it and i dont think its all that
Not suprised at all.
im loving the song What you know on T.I's album tho hehe.
I had Mobb deeps new album blood money for a few days and got rid of it, too much featuring G-unit though put them in their place is a good tune.
Gun_Runner
04-05-2006, 15:42
I thought the Mobb Deep album would just be fool of collabs with Banks/Buck/Yayo etc !
anyone heard the Busta Rhymes - Touch It (remix) ?
listen to when Papoose raps, anyone else thinks he sounds EXACTLY like Jay-Z just around the lyrics 'i got new york city in the palm of my hand'
ive heard Bustas Touch it (remix) i like it :D
yes he does sound like jay-z. touch it remix was ment to be for eve not busta
Alcoholic
12-05-2006, 20:25
Lady Sovereign has signed to Def Jam. Source www.nobodysmiling.com
somewhere.
Lady Sovereign has signed to Def Jam. Source www.nobodysmiling.com
somewhere.
thats old news man
Anyone know where I can get the Instrumental of 'Immortal Technique - Point of no return '? I've looked for it for weeks, no luck, I've tried BWS, Soundclick and many stuff I found on Google, no luck.
Gun_Runner
18-05-2006, 03:11
I'll tell you who's a good unrecognised artist ;) Masta Ace
just listen to Beautiful & Alphabet Soup.
Anyone know where I can get the Instrumental of 'Immortal Technique - Point of no return '? I've looked for it for weeks, no luck, I've tried BWS, Soundclick and many stuff I found on Google, no luck.
Anyone?
ive have tryed to find instrumental but couldnt find it anywhere
Tallulah Belle
19-05-2006, 21:19
Lady Soverign of a friggin chav.
http://www.air-port.com/blog2/wp-content/photos/ladysov.jpg
Hmm, Sexy
Lady Soverign is UGLY!!!! and she is shit
wrigh2uk
19-05-2006, 21:53
Lady Soverign of a friggin chav.
http://www.air-port.com/blog2/wp-content/photos/ladysov.jpg
Hmm, Sexy
i'd have slammed it when i was 13 or soo
Gun_Runner
19-05-2006, 23:05
This thread is as dead as the dodo :mellow: this used to be VERY active aswell..
wrigh2uk
20-05-2006, 02:58
fo real
whats your opinions on Lupe fiascos album, food and liqour, pretty strong drop if you ask me , hes a fresh sound to the game, his first single release proves that
Only song with Mister Lupe I've heard is Kick push. :happy:
fo real
whats your opinions on Lupe fiascos album, food and liqour, pretty strogn drop is you ask me , hes a fresh sound to the game, his first single release proves that
I've got the leak, and I think it's pretty good, Lupe said he was gonna take off a few of the weaker songs and add a few new ones for the release.
One thing I don't really like is the production, some of it's pretty good, but Lupe doesn't match some of it either. I've always thought Lupe sounds better over lavish, luxurious beats, such as songs like the Intro and Just Might Be Okay. For some of the songs he seems to be trying too hard to sound like the next Jay-Z, doing slower more soulful songs, with R&B singers on the hooks, like You My. Which I think is a pretty weak song. He needs to rhyme over strings and horns to sound the best.
lupe fiasco's album is aite, nothing special in my opinion, got a few good tunes
I've got the leak, and I think it's pretty good, Lupe said he was gonna take off a few of the weaker songs and add a few new ones for the release.
One thing I don't really like is the production, some of it's pretty good, but Lupe doesn't match some of it either. I've always thought Lupe sounds better over lavish, luxurious beats, such as songs like the Intro and Just Might Be Okay. For some of the songs he seems to be trying too hard to sound like the next Jay-Z, doing slower more soulful songs, with R&B singers on the hooks, like You My. Which I think is a pretty weak song. He needs to rhyme over strings and horns to sound the best.
I agree, I was quite happy with Lupe's album, could be better but enjoyable. One of the better album releases coming if you ask me.
PS: I'd slam Lady Soverign
Gun_Runner
20-05-2006, 16:07
i saw an interview with Lady Sovereign and she reminded me of something you'd see on Little Britain!!
Nas is bringing out an album called "hip hop is dead" in late september. not really suprised because he has been talking about how hip hip is dead for some time now, lets hope his new album can bring hip hop back to life. i have got a feeling this is going to be a great album.
job budden also bringing an album out in october
Gun_Runner
20-05-2006, 16:59
Nas ... definetely one of the greatest EVER! I reckon on his new album there will be a collab with him and Jay-Z.
Nas ... definetely one of the greatest EVER! I reckon on his new album there will be a collab with him and Jay-Z.
definatly
There is likely to be at least 2 or 3 songs on "Hip-Hop is Dead" featuring Jay in my opinion.
On another note Immortal Technique's album's will be released late this year and early next year. Once hes finished drugs probably. But he may be a good writer and one with a strong opinion but his shit flow spoils songs sometimes. A real shame to be honest but he may be able to improve on it in the future.
Ice Cube is bringing out an album aswell but i forgot what its called. i like Ice Cube he is a good rapper
Ice Cube is bringing out an album aswell but i forgot what its called. i like Ice Cube he is a good rapper
Laugh Now, Cry Later. I posted a huge list of releases a few pages back I think.
Ice Cube is bringing out an album aswell but i forgot what its called. i like Ice Cube he is a good rapper
Yeah I like Ice cube, that Friday song is good, and of course fuck the police with NWA.
wrigh2uk
20-05-2006, 18:56
Hip Hop is dead is a bold statement for an album title, so this album better be worth that title.... I feel sorry for nas his last album streets disciple was a very strong release yet only moved 694,000 units
Yeah I like Ice cube, that Friday song is good, and of course fuck the police with NWA.
The You Can Do It song is average at best when compared to Cube back in the day. Amerikazzz Most Wanted was a great album, especially with the addition of No Vaseline at the end. Which completely ripped into NWA, one of the greatest disses of all time in my opinion.
I also agree with you Wrighty, I'm a proud owner of the Street's Disciple album which is one of his best to be honest behind Illmatic and God's Son.
wrigh2uk
20-05-2006, 18:58
today was a good day - was one of the best narrated songs i've ever heard
does anyone watch the shop or nick cannon wild n out on MTV?
today was a good day - was one of the best narrated songs i've ever heard
Again I agree mate, not to mention how relaxing the song can be. The vocals are at a nice level and the beat is smooth. However the song is twice as good with the video of course, where the story is guided etc.
Considering Cube's album is released on the 6/6/6, he has released one or two songs very early hasn't he. Maybe a bit too early to be honest.
wrigh2uk
20-05-2006, 19:13
^ tru tru
Joe Buddens highly anticapted sophmore release " The Growth " is set to hit stores October. The albums been pushed back atleast two years... Joeys a monsta on the mixtapes man, i've been waiting for this album for ages. Im actually excited about this release
im looking forward to see Buddons album.
im not really feeling joe budden to be honest.
wrigh2uk
20-05-2006, 19:21
Download a song called three sides to a story , awesome song
Download a song called three sides to a story , awesome song
cool, i like the song gangster party with nate dogg
cool, i like the song gangster party with nate dogg
You need to listen to his mixtape material if you don't like him. The majority of people seem to strive on his dissapointment with the likes of Pump It Up. But when you hear later songs, you'll realise he is to be taken very seriously and one whos a gifted artist.
Also, you need to listen to Dumb Out by Joe Budden, probably my favourite song by him to date.
Gun_Runner
20-05-2006, 19:44
Im not Joe Buddens biggest fan either, I remember when San Andreas firts came out I was playing it for hours and It Was A Good Day by Ice Cube came on and I fell asleep...quite a chilling tune.
Can anyone recommend me some good songs with Cube?
Can anyone recommend me some good songs with Cube?
Today Was A Good Day
No Vaseline
How To Survive In South Central
Once Upon A Time In The Projects
Hello
Bow Down
My Summer Vacation
The Wrong Nigga To Fuck Wit'
Just to confirm, 06/06/06. Now selling on Amazon pre-order.
http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/6060/laughnowcrylater6bo.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Can anyone recommend me some good songs with Cube?
ring ding dong
until we drop
gangster nation
Eric Clyde
20-05-2006, 20:58
Just to confirm, 06/06/06. Now selling on Amazon pre-order.
:unsure:
has anyone seen any new music videos lately? the only one i have seen was three six mafia two days ago called poppin my collar,
Gun_Runner
22-05-2006, 08:55
Best video around is Busta's Touch It Remix... a lot of people who dont actually sing on the track appear in the video... Sean Paul/Winky Wright/Felix Trinidad etc.
I just saw T.I new video 'why you wanna'. its a good tune.
The woman in the tune is hot, and she has a nice ass!!!
wrigh2uk
22-05-2006, 22:10
Best video around is Busta's Touch It Remix... a lot of people who dont actually sing on the track appear in the video... Sean Paul/Winky Wright/Felix Trinidad etc.
The proper version of that song is over 9 minutes long and includes more people rapping and singin etc
Papa Lazarou
22-05-2006, 22:11
Just wanna say, Gnarls Barkley is awesome!! He's the kind of music you should listen to
wrigh2uk
22-05-2006, 22:12
Just wanna say, Gnarls Barkley is awesome!! He's the kind of music you should listen to
Yet would you believe cee loo (half of Gnarls Barkley) is actually an Hip Hop artist :shocking:
Magpie4eva
23-05-2006, 11:06
Okay I need to get some new songs any reccomendations?
www.splashcru.com has loads of new videos and news worth a check
Gun_Runner
23-05-2006, 13:53
Okay I need to get some new songs any reccomendations?
Masta Ace - Beautiful
Common - I Used To Love H.E.R.
T.I. - What You Know...
Impact Kids - When Ure Hero Falls
Jim Jones feat. Trey Songz - Summer Wit Miami
Notorious B.I.G - Juicy
T Pain - I'm Sprung
Magpie4eva
23-05-2006, 15:08
Cheers I should check them out.
Heres a good group.
N-Dubs - You better not waste my time (www.myspace.com/ndubz)
Okay I need to get some new songs any reccomendations?
listen to:
TI- stand up guy and top back
Immortal technique- point of no return
chamilionaire- southern takeover
akon ft sean biggs, topic- never gonna get it
Nifty1Pound50
24-05-2006, 23:59
If anyone here knows good hip-hop, then I recommend Talib Kweli - Right About Now (The Official Sucka-Free CD). Now that's dope.
Don't know who Kweli is? Think intelligent hip-hop's rubbish?
"I talk in schools a lot, they say it's 'cause I'm intelligent/
It's not - it's 'cause I'm dope, if I was wack? I'd be irrelevant."
Possibly the best hip-hop album I've ever heard (which of course I own) is Blackstar Present... - Blackstar (Mos Def & Talib Kweli). Mos Def's verse on "Hater Players" - you can all bow down.
Woo, another person to discuss hip-hop with. I've been lonely since Gunplay and Ogopa left.
Anyways, I was going to get Right About Now when it first came out, but I read some not so glowing reviews of it and decided I'd wait. All I have with Kweli is Blackstar, which as you said is amazing, Thieves in the Night is one of my favorite songs ever, and Train of Though by him and Hi Tek, which is also very good.
Blackstar is great, but best album you've heard? You musn't have heard Moment of Truth by Gang Starr.;) Or Resurrection by Common, for that matter.
What do you make of Fishscale? Best of the year so far for me.
Nifty1Pound50
25-05-2006, 00:24
I've been out of touch this year - and I own both of the other albums you mentioned.
But it comes down to personal preference - Kweli's the best there is. He's also proved on many of his mixtapes that he can drop "punchlines" as well as introspective stuff ("you can't move me/but these fools got me trippin' like a white girl in a horror movie"). If someone else said that, everyone would be laughing.
I was never the biggest fan of Resurrection - good album, but far from polished. Another brilliant album is The Roots' "Tipping Point." That's a "new" album as far as I'm concerned - 2004, it dropped. "Don't Say Nuthin'" is an ill tune.
I've been concentrating on my producing and emcee'ing game in the last year or so - got plenty of material now. Some if can make an appearance on here, hopefully.
Another album I rate is Hieroglyphics - "Full Circle." Picked that up recently, decent album. I think it dates to 2003. What's Chali 2na's "solo" debut like? I've read nothing but poor reviews, although he's one of the best lyricists about. Can't find it anywhere.
My favorite Kweli line has to be "I call you cats Reynolds, because you're plastic (w)rap." But Common is my favorite rapper so I'm bound to say Resurrection is better.
I don't have The Tipping Point, the only Roots albums I have are Things Fall Apart and Phrenology. TFA is excellent. The only thing that stops me from loving The Roots is Black Thought, lyrically he's superb, but I've never liked the whole "Rapping through Megaphone" sound, his voice seems to get lost in the (excellent) music.
I've never gotten into Hiero, though, I first bought the Deltron 3030 album, which got me into Del, and from there I bought Del's No Need For Alarm, which is decent, it has a few guest spots from Hiero members, but I'm yet to find any albums, I've been wanting to get 3rd Eye Vision by them for a while.
Do you have any finished recordings yet? I recall you posting a tremendous song you wrote in the "Best Rap Verse You've Heard" thread a while ago.
http://www.merchlackey.com/thaalkaholiks/1127159125.jpg
;)
on the Blackstar album, i will have to respiration is the best song. my gawd, that tune is sooo sick.
MOS DEF lines
Skyscrapers is collosus, the cost of living
is preposterous, stay alive, you play or die, no options
No Batman and Robin, can't tell between
the cops and the robbers, they both partners, they all heartless
With no conscience, back streets stay darkened
Where unbeliever hearts stay hardened
Talib Kweli
Look in the skies for God, what you see besides the smog
is broken dreams flying away on the wings of the obscene
Thoughts that people put in the air
Places where you could get murdered over a glare
But everything is fair
It's a paradox we call reality
So keepin it real will make you casualty of abnormal normality
Killers Born Naturally like, Mickey and Mallory
Not knowing the ways'll get you capped like an NBA salary
Some cats be emceeing to illustrate what we be seeing
Hard to be a spiritual being when shit is shakin what you believe in
For trees to grow in Brooklyn, seeds need to be planted
I'm asking if y'all feel me AND THE CROWD LEFT ME STRANDED
Common
Yo...on The Amen, Corner I stood lookin at my former hood
Felt the spirit in the wind, knew my friend was gone for good
Threw dirt on the casket, the hurt, I couldn't mask it
Mixin down emotions, struggle I hadn't mastered
I coreograph seven steps to heaven
And hell, waiting to exhale and make the bread leavened
Veteran of a cold war It's Chica-I-go for
What I know or, what's known
So some days I take the bus home, just to touch home
From the crib I spend months gone
Sat by the window with a clutched dome listenin to shorties cuss long
Young girls with weak minds, but they butt strong
Amazing Song.
Nifty1Pound50
25-05-2006, 08:24
Do you have any finished recordings yet?
I've only got what I put onto CD (a lot of which was unfinished), as my house got burgled and I had everything on my laptop (which was the victim of the burglary).
Also, I think I left quite a large chunk of lyrics at university.
There's one verse in particular, which I remember a fair bit of, and I really need to re-write.
"Let me delve into the meaning, allow truth to be told
Flick the ash in the tray, put that cigarette on hold
Leave that cancerous stick, let me tell you 'bout bantering clicks
And expose all of the scandalous chicks
My grammar is sick, similar to the state of the populace
I'm ill like the junkies selling their bodies in the metropolis
Brain-dead, void of emotion like they was a mannequin
Someone burnt your lobster? Now everybody is panicking"
Can't remember any more than that. Might finish it tonight (it's the final verse on that previous tune).
Talib Kweli isn't so great.
He's nice, but it shows how far rap is in the valley right now when he's being portrayed as some sorta genius.
The same goes for Kanye West, Nas and a handful of other rappers you could mention too.
Oh, and yeah- whoever said The Roots are nice I agree with, Tipping Point was probably their worst album though. I don't think it even went gold. Their other two famous albums never went platinum either. It's sickening what people want to listen to now.
wrigh2uk
25-05-2006, 11:12
Talib Kweli isn't so great.
He's nice, but it shows how far rap is in the valley right now when he's being portrayed as some sorta genius.
The same goes for Kanye West, Nas and a handful of other rappers you could mention too.
Oh, and yeah- whoever said The Roots are nice I agree with, Tipping Point was probably their worst album though. I don't think it even went gold. Their other two famous albums never went platinum either. It's sickening what people want to listen to now.
What the fuck are you talking about you Moron , Nas is one of the real legends still around today, Nas is easily within the top 5 ever... I thought you knew what you were talking about until you mentioned Nas.
What the fuck are you talking about you Moron , Nas is one of the real legends still around today, Nas is easily within the top 5 ever... I thought you knew what you were talking about until you mentioned Nas.Nas isn't in the top 5 ever, he made too many mediocre albums to be considered in the top 5 ever
wrigh2uk
25-05-2006, 11:30
So would you say Rakims not a legend because his other albums were medicore compared to Paid In full ?
2Pac himself had medicore albums compared to me against the world and all eyez on me
Illmatic - classic
Stillmatic - Classic
I Am - Strong Release
Streets Disciple - First CD Was A Classic
God Son - Meh was ok i liked it
Nas may not have released a dope album every time but the consistancy was always there
So would you say Rakims not a legend because his other albums were medicore compared to Paid In full ?
2Pac himself had medicore albums compared to me against the world and all eyez on me
I'm struggling to think of any mediocre Rakim album apart from in his later days, the difference is 2Pac never came out and made one of the greatest albums of all time and then let everything slide after that and take him a fair few years to get back on top, whereas 2Pac gradually got better with each album and by the time Makaveli was released had reached near perfection
wrigh2uk
25-05-2006, 11:42
Theres no one lyrically who compares to Nas besides the great R. Fair play pac has gone but no one in this era holds to torch to nas. I agree nas is inconsistant but hes definately within the top 5. On every new nas album theres always various classics on there which is hard to find on any albums to date
What the fuck are you talking about you Moron , Nas is one of the real legends still around today, Nas is easily within the top 5 ever... I thought you knew what you were talking about until you mentioned Nas.
Nas fell off completely after Illmatic. Now all he does is tell lies to black kids.
Nas is nowhere near the top 5 rappers of all time and it's a joke that he was on the queens finest album.
Oh, and who ya callin a moron you fuckin herb.
anyone have any Nas albums that i could download?i think theres a site called www.albumbase.com am i right?
wrigh2uk
25-05-2006, 13:45
Nas fell off completely after Illmatic. Now all he does is tell lies to black kids.
Nas is nowhere near the top 5 rappers of all time and it's a joke that he was on the queens finest album.
Oh, and who ya callin a moron you fuckin herb.
You are truely an idiot my friend
The truest line i heard from nas
" Why would i make another Illmatic when im moving forward"
Stillmatic was a great album... How can you fall off Illmatic you idiot when its a masterpiece.You don't make masterpieces over and over again most ARTISTS make one in their life time. Arguably hip hops most greatest album!!!!! That album can never be touched not even by nas again... Rakim never made another paid in full.. 2pac never made another Me Against the world.. Jay-z never made another Blueprints album and Eminem never made another Marshall Mathers LP(IMO) Must i go on
Lets say Jay-z fell off because he never made another Blueprint classic.. Nas has survived with his style throughout the new fads of hip hop. Were concious rap isn't cool no more, yet nas has survived speaking real. I know nas has a shoody history with lakey and jungle and sooo on but as a rapper hes near lyrically flawless.
2pac never made another Me Against the world.. I raise you an All Eyez On Me (despite being completely different and a west coast vibe) and then again i rase you a Makaveli album
Gun_Runner
25-05-2006, 14:03
Nas is easily in the top 5...just think of all the songs he made which are so listenable all the time.
Star Wars
Lifes a Bitch
On The Real
NY state of Mind
It Aint Hard To Tell
The Message
Street Dreams
Nas Is Coming
Affirmative Action
Black Girl Lost
If I Ruled The World
Hate Me Now
Small World
Favor for a Favor
We Will Survive(love this)
You Wont See Me Tonight
Dr. Knockboot
Life We Chose(i think Nastradamus is his weakest album)
Ether
Got Yourself A Gun
One Mic(my favourite Nas song)
Purple
Drunk By Myself
Poppa Was A Player
Made You Look
Last Real Nigga Alive
I Can
Thugz Mansion
Revolutionary Warfare
Heaven
American Way
Just A Moment
Suicide Bounce
Virgo
Bridging The Gap
Thiefs Theme
wow!Thats a hell of a lot.Nas is good though,I never thought he made that many "Listenable" songs.I like Redman and Method man.
You are truely an idiot my friend
The truest line i heard from nas
" Why would i make another Illmatic when im moving forward"
Stillmatic was a great album... How can you fall off Illmatic you idiot when its a masterpiece.You don't make masterpieces over and over again most ARTISTS make one in their life time. Arguably hip hops most greatest album!!!!! That album can never be touched not even by nas again... Rakim never made another paid in full.. 2pac never made another Me Against the world.. Jay-z never made another Blueprints album and Eminem never made another Marshall Mathers LP(IMO) Must i go on
Lets say Jay-z fell off because he never made another Blueprint classic.. Nas has survived with his style throughout the new fads of hip hop. Were concious rap isn't cool no more, yet nas has survived speaking real. I know nas has a shoody history with lakey and jungle and sooo on but as a rapper hes near lyrically flawless.
He made one knockin album and the rest are wack.
Ever since Illmatic it's been a collection of arrogant mainstream rap which usually either doesnt make any sense, or is full of fuckin lies.
You can quote nas however you want but he's a shmuck who cant even walk through queens without a police escort.
He got rid of any credibility when he claimed that his tooth was chipped by swingin on a pole
everyone knows he got knocked the fuck outta his shoes.
Tigermen
25-05-2006, 14:59
[QUOTE=JoeyM]Woo, another person to discuss hip-hop with. I've been lonely since Gunplay and Ogopa left.
Anyways, I was going to get Right About Now when it first came out, but I read some not so glowing reviews of it and decided I'd wait. QUOTE]
Honestly mate, do get it. You won't regret it. And whilst you're there pick up Reflection Eternal too. Amazing stuff.
Third Eye Vision, which I believe you also mentioned, is another superb album, as is Total Eclipse by Black Moon.
Ah I could go on forever.
To me Nas is definitely one of the top5 MCs of all time. It's true that he has never again matched the heights of Illmatic, but he has still had many fantastic songs later on, such as One Mic or Street Dreams. You must remember that Illmatic maybe after all is the album that best defines the "intellectual" hip-hop style and is considered one of the best rap albums of all time.
And wouldn't it be hard to list the best MCs if Jigga and Nas died? :erm:
OMG!!!! i cant believe that people are saying Nas is wack. Nas is a LEGEND, easily one of the best rappers around now and is easily within the top 5 ever.
wrigh2uk
25-05-2006, 16:58
He made one knockin album and the rest are wack.
Ever since Illmatic it's been a collection of arrogant mainstream rap which usually either doesnt make any sense, or is full of fuckin lies.
You can quote nas however you want but he's a shmuck who cant even walk through queens without a police escort.
He got rid of any credibility when he claimed that his tooth was chipped by swingin on a pole
everyone knows he got knocked the fuck outta his shoes.
Like i said Nas is history with Queensbridge is shakey, but please don't use that bit of crap to justify your claims nas is wack. LOL to call nas mainstream is soo laughable are you reading what your typing ? is that because nas's videos get played on MTV ? Your have no idea what your talking about do you ?
Soo lets look at a collection of songs that didn't make sense or were lies apprently to YOU
One Mic - classic song
Just A Moment Classic Song
Nas Is Like - HEAT
Undying Love - Poetic
Just a few off the top of my mind
wrigh2uk
25-05-2006, 17:02
I raise you an All Eyez On Me (despite being completely different and a west coast vibe) and then again i rase you a Makaveli album
It Was a great album but pac never hit the same vibe lyrically that he got on Me Against The World. Personally the pac before he went to jail which was when the album was released is the true Pac the poetic pac. After jail it was the furious hard spitting, slightly paranoid pac
(death around The corner, dear mama, lord knows i can just go on and on and on)
.
Bravoboy
25-05-2006, 17:06
I prefer Hop to be honest.
wrigh2uk
25-05-2006, 18:08
BREAKING NEWS: Rapper Beanie Sigel Shot
By Nolan Strong
Date: 5/25/2006 9:21 am
Philadelphia rapper Beanie Sigel was shot this morning (May 25) on a South Philadelphia street. While details are still being confirmed, sources told AllHipHop.com that Sigel was shot in a robbery attempt.
Police said shortly after 8:00 am, 5 men in two vehicles boxed the rapper in and that a man with a beard, jeans and boots open-fired on Sigel, striking him twice in the arm.
Sigel drove himself to a local hospital where he is being treated and expected to recover.
When most people would ran around screaming i've been shot!!!
http://crew.autoshowoff.net/extasy/ghetto.jpg
Magpie4eva
25-05-2006, 18:11
Wow. He drove himself to the Hospital :shocking:
anyone have any Nas albums that i could download?i think theres a site called www.albumbase.com am i right?
Tut tut tut downlaoding is wrong ;)
Alcoholic
25-05-2006, 20:59
All yall should check Hood Surgeon, for he is Dr Dre's son.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.view profile&friendid=63259526
Like i said Nas is history with Queensbridge is shakey, but please don't use that bit of crap to justify your claims nas is wack. LOL to call nas mainstream is soo laughable are you reading what your typing ? is that because nas's videos get played on MTV ? Your have no idea what your talking about do you ?
Soo lets look at a collection of songs that didn't make sense or were lies apprently to YOU
One Mic - classic song
Just A Moment Classic Song
Nas Is Like - HEAT
Undying Love - Poetic
Just a few off the top of my mind
Ya can talk about his music all you like... that's fine. But when you talk about him as a PERSON then it gets a little fucked up. However good you think he was he was just a dude... just like pac, talib and anyone else you care to name.
Oh.. .and if you want to hear lies, listen to that 'I Know I Can' single.
Nifty1Pound50
27-05-2006, 12:59
I personally don't think that someone's character, background, whatever should come into it if they're churning out high quality music.
Eminem's first album is pretty much all lies, but it's effective.
50 Cent's is all true - but it's shit.
Who do you prefer?
wrigh2uk
27-05-2006, 13:07
Ya can talk about his music all you like... that's fine. But when you talk about him as a PERSON then it gets a little fucked up. However good you think he was he was just a dude... just like pac, talib and anyone else you care to name.
Oh.. .and if you want to hear lies, listen to that 'I Know I Can' single.
What lies about ' I Can ' . I think you need some black history lessons especially if your refering the africa robbed part.
50 lies to, Com'on he put a restrainin order on the guy that shot him 9 times. were he refers to chasing that pu**y down lol
Gun_Runner
27-05-2006, 13:34
He never put a restraining order on the guy that shot him...hes dead now I think. He put a restraining order on Ja Rule & some of his crew I think because supposedly Ja stabbed him.
wrigh2uk
27-05-2006, 14:04
He never put a restraining order on the guy that shot him...hes dead now I think. He put a restraining order on Ja Rule & some of his crew I think because supposedly Ja stabbed him.
i heard around the time it happened he did
He never put a restraining order on the guy that shot him...hes dead now I think. He put a restraining order on Ja Rule & some of his crew I think because supposedly Ja stabbed him.He never put a restraining order on Ja it was a publicity stunt by Murder Inc to discredit him
http://www.merchlackey.com/thaalkaholiks/1127159125.jpg
;)
Indeed ;) .
Indeed ;) .Was canny bored mate and it deserved a mention ;)
Firewater had me grunting to sleep. Like the ''Over Here'' beat though.
I've got the leak, and I think it's pretty good, Lupe said he was gonna take off a few of the weaker songs and add a few new ones for the release.
One thing I don't really like is the production, some of it's pretty good, but Lupe doesn't match some of it either. I've always thought Lupe sounds better over lavish, luxurious beats, such as songs like the Intro and Just Might Be Okay. For some of the songs he seems to be trying too hard to sound like the next Jay-Z, doing slower more soulful songs, with R&B singers on the hooks, like You My. Which I think is a pretty weak song. He needs to rhyme over strings and horns to sound the best.
lupe fiasco's album is aite, nothing special in my opinion, got a few good tunes
I agree, I was quite happy with Lupe's album, could be better but enjoyable. One of the better album releases coming if you ask me.
PS: I'd slam Lady Soverign
Lupe Fiasco's Food & Liquor/Fahrenheit Vol.200/Unfinished Retail/Whatever, is one of the greatest albums I've ever heard. Arguably the best hiphop album of the 21st century. I can only pray he doesn't fuck it up with commercial bollocks to appeal to some of those in this thread, that are slower at comprehending him.
JoeyM "You My" pretty weak? Please tell me you had a moment of random sarcasm. I love the production as it isn't mediocre, he wants people to listen to him and not just the beat. Unlike a majority of rappers.
You're probably the only person that I've seen on the internet to rate it that high, I browse plenty of hip/hop forums, and talked with plenty of fellow Lupe fans, all of which seem to come the general consensus that it's just "pretty good." And trust me, I ate up all Lupe's mixtapes, listened to his verse on Touch the Sky a least a 100 times, and even I find the album disappointing. But I haven't listened to it too much, I'll give it a good listen again through headphones since you seem so adamant that it's amazing.
But I still stand by not liking You My, unoriginal concept with a generic sounding beat. Trust me, I'm not the kind of person who has to have good production to like a song, otherwise I wouldn't of liked AZ's AWOL, but I at least want the rapper to mesh with the beats, which for some of the songs isn't the case, Spaze Out being the main offender.
What lies about ' I Can ' . I think you need some black history lessons especially if your refering the africa robbed part.
50 lies to, Com'on he put a restrainin order on the guy that shot him 9 times. were he refers to chasing that pu**y down lol
Black people didn't teach the chinese shit.
That's one of the only examples I can remember... but you can go through the track and pick out the ridiculous claims he makes.
I personally don't think that someone's character, background, whatever should come into it if they're churning out high quality music.
Eminem's first album is pretty much all lies, but it's effective.
50 Cent's is all true - but it's shit.
Who do you prefer?
If someone doesn't tell the truth in their music then that's being fundamentally fradulent as far as I'm concerned.
If you're writing about serious issues like politics and personal beliefs and you mislead your listeners then any music you make might as well be dismissed as nothing more than a fairytale that the writer himself doesn't even take seriously.
But most songwriters now do it and that's why a lot are completely transparent.
Having said that, there's an obvious difference between a writer's upbringing and delibrately misleading listeners. The two don't neccessarily go hand in hand. There's some brilliant song writers who have made great music regardless of their upbringing, the difference is that no serious songwriters delibrately try and mislead their listeners to sell records.
You're probably the only person that I've seen on the internet to rate it that high, I browse plenty of hip/hop forums, and talked with plenty of fellow Lupe fans, all of which seem to come the general consensus that it's just "pretty good." And trust me, I ate up all Lupe's mixtapes, listened to his verse on Touch the Sky a least a 100 times, and even I find the album disappointing. But I haven't listened to it too much, I'll give it a good listen again through headphones since you seem so adamant that it's amazing.
Hiphop forums. My point proven exactly, just cause they are hiphop forums does not mean people infesting it aren't as casual towards the genre as those sitting infront of MTV Base. IMO it's just MTV with the viewer given access to a keyboard and mouse. Hiphop forums are as worse as anything. If a majority of listeners judged it as a "pretty good" album, then how did it filter to Lupe himself that it was a classic?
But I still stand by not liking You My, unoriginal concept with a generic sounding beat. Trust me, I'm not the kind of person who has to have good production to like a song, otherwise I wouldn't of liked AZ's AWOL, but I at least want the rapper to mesh with the beats, which for some of the songs isn't the case, Spaze Out being the main offender.
Unoriginal concept or generic sounding beat, it is still a lyrical masterpiece. I can understand if you found "Spaze Out" not appealing I really can, but You My? I'm still scratching my head mate.
Here is a fantastic article reviewing the leaked album from a while back; The Village Voice (http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/statusainthood/archives/2006/04/lupe_fiasco_alr_1.php)
"Never put me in a top 10 bitch" - Nas on "My Will"
Nas is nowhere near the top 5 rappers of all time
Warm.
Nas is easily in the top 5...
Freezing.
I agree nas is inconsistant but hes definately within the top 5.
Very cold.
Lupe Fiasco's Food & Liquor/Fahrenheit Vol.200/Unfinished Retail/Whatever, is one of the greatest albums I've ever heard. Arguably the best hiphop album of the 21st century.
Food and Liquor wasnt that great and saying that its the greatest album you have heard is over the top
wrigh2uk
27-05-2006, 19:31
"Never put me in a top 10 bitch" - Nas on "My Will"
Warm.
Freezing.
Very cold.
I respect your opinion alot of the time, except that one mate
wrigh2uk
27-05-2006, 19:38
1. Rakim
2. Krs One
3. Big Daddy Kane
4. 2Pac
5. Nas
While I don't rate Nas in my top 5, his inclusion in anyone's list reasonable, it's not outlandish to put him there. Anyone could come up with a decent argument for him.
1. Rakim
2. Krs One
3. Big Daddy Kane
4. 2Pac
5. Nas
I think its more worrying that you don't have BIG in your Top 5 to be honest. The more I listen to his work, the more I believe he is the GOAT.
wrigh2uk
27-05-2006, 20:50
Of course i believe BIG was great, but i didn't hear enough of him to say hes the GOAT. I can't call anyone the GOAT if they only released two ablums (not counting duets)
Of course i believe BIG was great, but i didn't hear enough of him to say hes the GOAT. I can't call anyone the GOAT if they only released two ablums (not counting duets)
Hardly his fault though was it ? :erm:
The albums that were released were both of high quality which displays a nice form of consistancy.
wrigh2uk
27-05-2006, 21:02
Hardly his fault though was it ? :erm:
The albums that were released were both of high quality which displays a nice form of consistancy.
Oh of course ot wasn't his fault, a great third album would have done it, even a few mixtapes, but we just never got the chance to see if BIG could have done it :) just like Big L
Nifty1Pound50
27-05-2006, 22:03
I'd tend to disagree. Notorious B.I.G was around long enough - and has enough existing material - to prove he was great. Two albums of undoubted quality and lyrical supremacy, in my books at least, is plenty.
He proved his skill - he didn't make one good tune followed by twenty bad ones.
If we're talking lyrically, I can't believe the notoriously low number of mentions Pharoahe Monch has got. Rhyme-schemes.com.
wrigh2uk
28-05-2006, 07:38
I'd tend to disagree. Notorious B.I.G was around long enough - and has enough existing material - to prove he was great. Two albums of undoubted quality and lyrical supremacy, in my books at least, is plenty.
He proved his skill - he didn't make one good tune followed by twenty bad ones.
If we're talking lyrically, I can't believe the notoriously low number of mentions Pharoahe Monch has got. Rhyme-schemes.com.
Hey lets not get it twisted Pharoahe Monch is dope , alot of artist don't get mentioned around here
Royce Da 5'9
Killuh Priest
Tradegy Kadafi
and soo on
1. Rakim
2. Krs One
3. Big Daddy Kane
4. 2Pac
5. Nas
Swap Pac with Pun and Nas with G Rap and you're probably along the right lines.
wrigh2uk
28-05-2006, 12:03
Swap Pac with Pun and Nas with G Rap and you're probably along the right lines.
Erm :unsure:
NOO!!!!
Big L >> Big Pun
Erm :unsure:
NOO!!!!
Big L >> Big Pun
There almost completely subjective anyway. The only two names you could really put up there every time are G Rap and Rakim. Past that it's more personal opinion.
Food and Liquor wasnt that great and saying that its the greatest album you have heard is over the top
How so? And I did not say it was the greatest album I have heard, I said it is ''one'' of the greatest albums I have heard, which isn't over the top. You are probably one of those kids that doesn't think Illmatic was enjoyable. Stick to Pow Wow! Thank you.
wrigh2uk
28-05-2006, 12:36
There almost completely subjective anyway. The only two names you could really put up there every time are G Rap and Rakim. Past that it's more personal opinion.
In the pioneers of hip hop i'd definately agree with you mate
It's more than hard to put MCs in order, as it totally depends what you base your decisions on. It could be the best flow, most influential, best albums...
How so? And I did not say it was the greatest album I have heard, I said it is ''one'' of the greatest albums I have heard, which isn't over the top. You are probably one of those kids that doesn't think Illmatic was enjoyable. Stick to Pow Wow! Thank you.
wtf you on about, if i didnt like Illmatic i wouldnt have put him in my top 5, Pow Wow! whats up with that??
wtf you on about, if i didnt like Illmatic i wouldnt have put him in my top 5, Pow Wow! whats up with that??
Look at your avatar which happens to include Pow Wow.
Nifty1Pound50
28-05-2006, 17:32
This guy knows sweet fuck all.
Talking about Illmatic while he's listening to Paul Wall.
He's got no hip-hop range.
He's probably gay, too - he gets more hood than doin' an oil change.
Nifty R.I.P.ped it.
This guy knows sweet fuck all.
Talking about Illmatic while he's listening to Paul Wall.
He's got no hip-hop range.
He's probably gay, too - he gets more hood than doin' an oil change.
Nifty R.I.P.ped it.
You chat a load of shit. Dont talk like you know me you idiot
Nifty1Pound50
28-05-2006, 17:49
Only you can answer that.
What you must do, is delve into the primary layer of your brain-cells, and see what they suggest to you. Look for patterns - these might be numerical, or alpha-suggestive, but one thing's for sure - they'll both draw a large arrow towards your gear-box saying "small."
After reaching this first port of call, you must then consider yourself outside of the box. Imagine a home-trained canary in the jungle, that sort of shit. Then, after performing the act of examining yourself under a microscope of self-examination, you have to get someone else's opinion on the matter. That's where I come in. My opinion?
You're a cunt.
Only you can answer that.
What you must do, is delve into the primary layer of your brain-cells, and see what they suggest to you. Look for patterns - these might be numerical, or alpha-suggestive, but one thing's for sure - they'll both draw a large arrow towards your gear-box saying "small."
After reaching this first port of call, you must then consider yourself outside of the box. Imagine a home-trained canary in the jungle, that sort of shit. Then, after performing the act of examining yourself under a microscope of self-examination, you have to get someone else's opinion on the matter. That's where I come in. My opinion?
You're a cunt.
Like i said you chat shit
Nifty1Pound50
28-05-2006, 17:58
Well, if you're going to get all "let's give it some I'm a rudeboy" - how about we meet up and settle this over some sort of Haribo eating contest.
You know when all's said and done, you're going to have a brown patch on your nose (thanks to Sister Act II for that one).
Well, if you're going to get all "let's give it some I'm a rudeboy" - how about we meet up and settle this over some sort of Haribo eating contest.
You know when all's said and done, you're going to have a brown patch on your nose (thanks to Sister Act II for that one).
Hold up, i aint acting like a rudeboy, i aint no kid if thats what you think.
Look yh i dont want to get into an arguement because it will never end and plus this is a hip hop thread we should be talking about hip hop not arguing
Nifty1Pound50
28-05-2006, 18:15
I agree wholeheartedly with everything you didn't say.
Anyways...
the game got arrested.
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1532373/20060523/game_the.jhtml?headlines=true
DMX considering a name change
http://www.nobodysmiling.com/hiphop/news/86239.php
Bravoboy
28-05-2006, 18:51
Yet another poor soul, confused by Nifty's unique use of the English language.
Someone tell me a nice Lupe Fiasco track.
Everything I've heard has been horribly wack.
I just copped Ice Cube's new album. I am going to say that it was worth the wait. I can say it is on par with Fishscale as currently the album of the year.
wrigh2uk
29-05-2006, 14:50
Someone tell me a nice Lupe Fiasco track.
Everything I've heard has been horribly wack.
im sorry but the whole album is dope, you sure you like hip hop
im sorry but the whole album is dope, you sure you like hip hop
All I've heard is a single about skateboarding and a track from a mixtape.
Both we're terrible.
Someone tell me a nice Lupe Fiasco track.
Everything I've heard has been horribly wack.
Kick, Push
Anyways, if you haven't found anything you like from him, I doubt are going to like that one either.
All I've heard is a single about skateboarding and a track from a mixtape.
Both we're terrible.
Kick Push is good.
Download his album
Kick Push is an great song, and I can't see how anyone can say it was terrible.
But try downloading Failure, it's a track from one of his mixtapes, it's quality.
I jus heard Ice Cube's new album and i agree with what ozzie66 said this is one of the best albums this year if not the best, its definatly well worth the wait.
For Lupe Fiasco tracks, I'd recommend the "Freestyle" over the Dead Presidents beat. Very nice.
Got Cube's album, will give it a listen later and probably give my opinion.
All I've heard is a single about skateboarding and a track from a mixtape.
Both we're terrible.
You have got to be kidding me. I mean, that has to be sarcasm.
Anywho, to those who fancy a decent discussion, instead of the constant clashing of opinions.
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/5941/469132mobbdeep200x2001hh.jpg
Who do you think is the better Mobb Deep member? Havoc or Prodigy? This question came upon me after hearing ''Win Or Lose'' for the first time in aeons yesterday.
It's kinda weird, Havoc is the better lyrically and always has been, but Prodigy seems to have that edge in songs.
Don't know what it is, my brother believes it's down to his delivery, but Havoc has always been consistent even more than Prodigy, it's not like he's been taking the backseat for the past 14 years.
Though when Prodigy is at his best it's bloody legendary "Quiet Storm" for instance, but is it down to just exceptional delivery? And how is that greater than being better lyrically (as Havoc is) ? :huh:
Raekwon and Busta - "Goldmine (http://www.filelodge.com/files/room12/304971/goldmine.mp3)", produced by Dr Dre.
Had to share this with you lot. Class stuff, Raekwon sounds OnlyBuilt4CubanLinx-esque :D .
Apparently, he's been signed to the Aftermath. Raekwon that is :shocking: .
Anywho, to those who fancy a decent discussion, instead of the constant clashing of opinions.
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/5941/469132mobbdeep200x2001hh.jpg
Who do you think is the better Mobb Deep member? Havoc or Prodigy? This question came upon me after hearing ''Win Or Lose'' for the first time in aeons yesterday.
It's kinda weird, Havoc is the better lyrically and always has been, but Prodigy seems to have that edge in songs.
Don't know what it is, my brother believes it's down to his delivery, but Havoc has always been consistent even more than Prodigy, it's not like he's been taking the backseat for the past 14 years.
Though when Prodigy is at his best it's bloody legendary "Quiet Storm" for instance, but is it down to just exceptional delivery? And how is that greater than being better lyrically (as Havoc is) ? :huh:
Havoc is better, i have heard a lot of Mobb deep tunes and i feel that Havoc has the edge he is lyrically better than prodigy
I've always liked Prodigy over Havoc, for some strange reason. I guess his voice and flow just appeal to me in some way.
Prodigy's solo album, HNIC, was pretty decent actually. But then again it wasn't even close to the best Mobb Deep efforts. I guess Havoc & Prodigy together make the perfectly balanced combination.
Any thoughts on the Blood Money album? I haven't heard it yet, but the reviews seem to be quite poor.
To me it looks like joining G-unit was the low-point of their career.
I've always liked Prodigy over Havoc, for some strange reason. I guess his voice and flow just appeal to me in some way.
Prodigy's solo album, HNIC, was pretty decent actually. But then again it wasn't even close to the best Mobb Deep efforts. I guess Havoc & Prodigy together make the perfectly balanced combination.
Any thoughts on the Blood Money album? I haven't heard it yet, but the reviews seem to be quite poor.
To me it looks like joining G-unit was the low-point of their career.
Bloody Money was poor. They only went to G-unit to get noticed and make money
Bloody Money was poor. They only went to G-unit to get noticed and make money
Has Blood Money actually sold well?
Edit, just came across this:
http://i1.tinypic.com/x1aw0k.jpg
I used to change my opinion on who was better between Havoc and Prodigy a lot in the past but I'm pretty sure I think its Havoc. Both have great delivery and as you said Havoc has been very consistant. Lyrically better ? Of course, both have good flow too so its always been a hard choice. But I feel Havoc just edges it, appeals to me more, basically when they are both on their day I'd say Havoc. Both exceptional no doubt. Even if there recent effort has been jaded by G-Unit, they've been in the game long enough, I guess they want some money. Although this move has probably tarnished part of their image to many fans, but of course they have enough old quality material to keep impressing.
We all know about Papoose and Lupe Fiasco, both tipped to become amazingly huge in the near future. Who do you think is better ? Who do you think will become bigger ?
Gun_Runner
30-05-2006, 13:54
Between the two I prefer Papoose...he just edges it for me...I love his verse on Busta's - Touch It, nice tattoos aswell on his fingers lol.
It's quite hard to compare Lupe & Pap.
Is Papoose actually ever going to release an album? :mellow:
wrigh2uk
30-05-2006, 14:45
It's quite hard to compare Lupe & Pap.
Is Papoose actually ever going to release an album? :mellow:
isn't the advance already out, im sure i saw it floating around on packetnews somwhere
My mate tld me that it Blood money actually sold well but the sales was the lowest ever in G-unit, i was laughing when i heard this.
Hunter: I think Papoose it better and will become a bigger.
Teekay: Papoose has got an album, i have a few tunes from his album
I'm yet to hop on the Papoose wagon, what's a good place to start? The guys got like 5645 mixtapes out.
Does anyone know where i can download or listen to mixtapes?
albumbase.com has a fuckload of mixtapes.
We all know about Papoose and Lupe Fiasco, both tipped to become amazingly huge in the near future. Who do you think is better ? Who do you think will become bigger ?
Lupe Fiasco is better. Papoose sounds like any other NY mixtape rapper IMO. He has that potential and is certainly capable of reaching that next level. Though he is also capable of being just another Joe Buddens or Fabolous, rappers that blazed mixtapes, but bottled it at the big stage.
Which I think Lupe Fiasco is on the verge of reaching, he's original and creative with his music. And has this unique way of tangling up concepts/lyrics on tracks to the point you find something new everytime you listen to it. Oh, and let's not forget his flow is ridiculous!
wrigh2uk
30-05-2006, 18:07
^ Gotta disagree the last person who sounded similar to Papoose was Big L
You have got to be kidding me. I mean, that has to be sarcasm.
It's got a nice beat... thats about it.
^ Gotta disagree the last person who sounded similar to Papoose was Big L
Huh? And Guerilla Black sounded like Biggie, but that didn't do much.
Until Pap comes out with an album, he is just any other NY mixtape artist.
Thanks though, for reminding me of the fella, it's been a while. I shall now bump some ''Lifestylez Ov Da Poor & Dangerous''.
It's got a nice beat... thats about it.
How anybody can not appreciate lyrics that epitomise hiphop and it's art, is beyond me.
Nifty1Pound50
31-05-2006, 12:48
Saigon's better than both of them. Just listen to the tune "The Letter P."
Saigon's better than both of them. Just listen to the tune "The Letter P."
Saigon is good, that tune is good aswell
Saigon's better than both of them. Just listen to the tune "The Letter P."Saigon Feat Kool G Rap - ''The Letter P''. Quality stuff, lovely concept.
He's just like Papoose IMO. NY Mixtape rapper, with no distinction or any evidence that seperates him from the flock entirely, apart from lyrical potential.
Kool G Rap's verse was just that little bit better on Letter P I think.
wrigh2uk
16-06-2006, 11:02
Its Tupacs birthday today , would have been 35 today
Gun_Runner
16-06-2006, 11:50
yep and he still hasnt 'returned' .... R.I.P 2Pac
wrigh2uk
16-06-2006, 11:58
I really hope they don't bring out another sad excuse for a 2pac album. There just destroying the legacy with crap like ' Loyal to the game '
I really hope they don't bring out another sad excuse for a 2pac album. There just destroying the legacy with crap like ' Loyal to the game '
I thought Loyal to the game was good, it had some good tunes but it would have been better if 50 cent and the rest werent on there
I thought Loyal to the game was good, it had some good tunes but it would have been better if 50 cent and the rest werent on there
:mellow:
Highway Penguin
20-06-2006, 17:33
I picked up Mos Def's "The New Danger" and Common's "Be" yesterday. I like Common's CD a bit more, but Mos Def's is definately growing on me the more I listen to it.
The songs "Close Edge" and "Life is Real" are the two that have hooked me so far. Common's "The Corner" and "Be" have done the same.
Has anyone else listened to them?
Be is an excellent album, not Common's best, but still quite good and one of my favorites from last year, as you can probably tell from my avatar. I don't have The New Danger, but I do have Mos Def's 'Black On Both Sides' which is really quite excellent, and if you want more Mos Def then I'd definitely recommed it. I heard that The New Danger is basically an album that Mos Def recorded with his rock band called Jack Johnson and released under his name, I haven't listened to it but I've heard that it was somewhat experimental. Black On Both Sides, however, is just a pure rap album, and if you don't like the more experimental stuff then I'd definitely try and get it.
Highway Penguin
20-06-2006, 18:30
Yeah, I was a little taken aback by it. Many of the songs have a beat and suddenly, a guitar jumps in with an almost metal riff. I will definately buy his other album then, as I've heard him rap before and enjoyed it.
Does Common write his own lyrics?
Thanks for the reply, by the way.
Yeah, as far as I know Common writes all of his own stuff.
Also forgot to mention about Mos Def that he and Talib Kweli released an album together called Blackstar which is a classic as well, definitely recommeded.
Blackstar is a must. the stand out song is Respiration feat Common. i have both new danger and Be. I love Be. songs like corner, testify and chi city are instant hits in my eyes. the new danger was mos def testing a new sound. it is one of those albums that grow on you.
wrigh2uk
21-06-2006, 00:00
Blackstar is a definate must have. Commons Be was an lovely album so mellow and laid back i seriously could have listened to it over and over again.
Tigermen
21-06-2006, 00:13
Be is a really really special album, made even more special in my opinion by the time in which it was released. Since it was in the middle of 50cent's era, hip-hop to me was lacking inspiration. Kweli's effort that year (the beautiful struggle) really disappointed, and so there was no real statement from the "real hip-hop" artists, unless you went to more underground shit like little brother etc. So when I heard Be, it was just like......a massive puff of fresh air, and for me it really breathed new life into what was a really stagnant time for hip-hop. Even now you can put it on and it just sounds so fresh and full of soul. Without a doubt Kanye's finest hour.
wrigh2uk
21-06-2006, 09:53
^ can't believe you didn't like Beautiful Struggle :(
^ can't believe you didn't like Beautiful Struggle :(
Well it wasn't that good now was it ?
It was alright but the Talib we've come to love wasn't there, he seemed to want to go mainstream and underground at the same time. Resulting in a mixed album which just didn't sound right.
Tigermen
21-06-2006, 14:43
^ can't believe you didn't like Beautiful Struggle :(
The beautiful struggle is a good album, don't get me wrong. But it's below the standard I expected from Kweli after two (3 if you include blackstar) amazing albums. Taken by itself it's good, but it's always hard to separate how good an album actually is from how good you expected it to be. Agree with what hunter says basically, but he managed to find the right balance on Right About Now, which was a superb return to form, probably not a coincidence that it was not on a major label; he just seemed a lot looser and able to speak his mind and to really let himself go without any pressure to make concessions to the mainstream.
Does anyone know when Saigon is going to release his "Greatest Story Never Told" album? That was supposed to be released last year!
Also what's the situation with Papoose? Has he found a good record deal yet?
Sorry for all the question but i'm really waiting for these two guys album to drop!
Does anyone know when Saigon is going to release his "Greatest Story Never Told" album? That was supposed to be released last year!
Also what's the situation with Papoose? Has he found a good record deal yet?
Sorry for all the question but i'm really waiting for these two guys album to drop!
All i know is that Papoose is in Flipmode nothing else
wrigh2uk
22-06-2006, 11:13
Does anyone know when Saigon is going to release his "Greatest Story Never Told" album? That was supposed to be released last year!
Also what's the situation with Papoose? Has he found a good record deal yet?
Sorry for all the question but i'm really waiting for these two guys album to drop!
The papoose album is nearly done, hes talking to a major label atm.
Highway Penguin
23-06-2006, 00:20
Yeah, as far as I know Common writes all of his own stuff.
Also forgot to mention about Mos Def that he and Talib Kweli released an album together called Blackstar which is a classic as well, definitely recommeded.
Yeah, I looked around for that one, but they didn't have it. I may just end up buying it off of Amazon or Ebay.
From the sounds of things it is one of the best hip-hop albums released.
Gun_Runner
28-06-2006, 21:25
right I dunno if im trippin or whatever...but last night i was watching a porno...and I could swear KRS-One was in it! no joke...same hair, same face EVERYTHING!! Could anyone confirm this? coz I swear it was a good lookalike if it wasnt him.
right I dunno if im trippin or whatever...but last night i was watching a porno...and I could swear KRS-One was in it! no joke...same hair, same face EVERYTHING!! Could anyone confirm this? coz I swear it was a good lookalike if it wasnt him.
What kind of porno was this? That made you take notice of a male performer? Fruity stuff.
No pun intended, but I'm glad to have heard that Foxy Brown's hearing has been restored to almost 100%. After suffering from sensorineural hearing loss for the past year or so. She'll be performing with Jay-Z in a few months on his Reasonable Doubt tour.
And has anyone heard Nas' recent track titled ''Where Ya'll At?'', he sounds post-Illmatic, can't wait for his album.
Tigermen
29-06-2006, 22:25
No pun intended, but I'm glad to have heard that Foxy Brown's hearing has been restored to almost 100%. After suffering from sensorineural hearing loss for the past year or so. She'll be performing with Jay-Z in a few months on his Reasonable Doubt tour.
And has anyone heard Nas' recent track titled ''Where Ya'll At?'', he sounds post-Illmatic, can't wait for his album.
Yeah, very promising. The new Kweli track (more or less) is also sounding great. Finally some decent stuff to look forward to!
More Or Less, is fucking awesome my friend.
This Thread needs to become active like back in the day. Need to get things going again.
Does anyone else think Kurupt is underated ? I've been listening to Throwback Muzic and I'm fairly impressed. I've got a few other songs which are just as good in My Music, I'll chip their names out later.
alkemy007
05-07-2006, 16:26
No pun intended, but I'm glad to have heard that Foxy Brown's hearing has been restored to almost 100%. After suffering from sensorineural hearing loss for the past year or so. She'll be performing with Jay-Z in a few months on his Reasonable Doubt tour.
And has anyone heard Nas' recent track titled ''Where Ya'll At?'', he sounds post-Illmatic, can't wait for his album.
Any time she picks up the mic I wish MY hearing wasnt 100%...she sucks big time...but on the Nas thing...Bout time he came with the stuff we know he is more than capable of...welcome back.
alkemy007
05-07-2006, 16:44
Gotta be honest, I been into Hip-Hop for about 16 years and its now going through yet another transitional stage....I really cant stand any of this Lil Jon, Dem Franchise Boys, Young Jeezy etc etc etc...I just think its a bit embarrassing when people who know Im into Hip-Hop think this is the trash I listen too!!....but nevermind, if you dig beneath the surface you will always find some gems....stuff Im checking at the moment is (in no particular order)
Army Of The Pharoahs-Tear It Down....Verbal Threat-Reality Check....Rakim & Talib Kweli-Getting Up Anthem Pt 1......Mr.Lif-Mo Mega (LP)....Verb T & Harry Love-Back To Basics (LP)....and some other random UK/Irish Hip-Hop.
I really cant stand any of this Lil Jon, Dem Franchise Boys, Young Jeezy etc etc etc...I just think its a bit embarrassing when people who know Im into Hip-Hop think this is the trash I listen too!!
It's more embarrassing for them actually, as Lil Jon, Young Jeezy etc. Are not Hiphop artists, they are Rap artists. Until people understand the difference between the 2, the saga continues.
alkemy007
05-07-2006, 18:11
It's more embarrassing for them actually, as Lil Jon, Young Jeezy etc. Are not Hiphop artists, they are Rap artists. Until people understand the difference between the 2, the saga continues.
Heh heh heh...come on mate, you know thats shite....Hip-Hop and Rap are basically the same thing...Hip-Hop just means the overall culture of the music (breaking,graff etc etc)...Its still Rap!!...but I get what you mean in some form,but as much as I hate it though, these guys ARE a part of Hip-Hop wether we like it or not, its just they aint doing nothing productive for our music but giving in to the age old sterotype of rappers just talking about bitches, hoes ,money(ZZZZZzzzzzzz). Maybe it aint their fault cause thats what they grew up seeing but it would be nice to see some positive Hip-Hop artists like Common, KRS, Talib etc to get some commercial creditability cause it seems that the mainstream has now closed their ears (and minds) to rappers who actually got half a brain!
Heh heh heh...come on mate, you know thats shite....Hip-Hop and Rap are basically the same thing...Hip-Hop just means the overall culture of the music (breaking,graff etc etc)...Its still Rap!!...
What is shite? Don't be ignorant.
How on Earth are Dem Franchise Boyz considered a part of hiphop? Just because they rap? I don't think so. It's past the old-fashion days, in which anyone rapping would've automatically played a part in the hiphop movement. Rapping is just rapping nowadays.
Hiphop artist are those who make music of hiphop origin, with no influence of label demands. It's common sense (no pun). A rap artist is 50 Cent, one who makes music for the sheer aim of financial/commercial gain. A hiphop artist is someone like Talib Kweli, one who makes music for the simple point of expressing themselves and their conscience, not diluting or dressing-up for anyone.
If you still don't get what I'm saying, then I'll elaborate when I have some more time on my hands.
alkemy007
05-07-2006, 19:02
What is shite? Don't be ignorant.
How on Earth are Dem Franchise Boyz considered a part of hiphop? Just because they rap? I don't think so. It's past the old-fashion days, in which anyone rapping would've automatically played a part in the hiphop movement. Rapping is just rapping nowadays.
Hiphop artist are those who make music of hiphop origin, with no influence of label demands. It's common sense (no pun). A rap artist is 50 Cent, one who makes music for the sheer aim of financial/commercial gain. A hiphop artist is someone like Talib Kweli, one who makes music for the simple point of expressing themselves and their conscience, not diluting or dressing-up for anyone.
If you still don't get what I'm saying, then I'll elaborate when I have some more time on my hands.
Nah, your OK.....Its a fact that these artists are known as Hip-Hop artists (wether me or you like them is neither here nor there)...how do you think these guys got into Hip-Hop, its a known fact that 50 Cent's favourite MC was Rakim.....listen mate....I cant be arsed to argue on and on, especially about wack as fuck MC's but the fact of the matter is Hip-Hop comes in a lot of different shapes and forms...wether its from Atlanta, London, Madrid, Dublin, Prague...just cause they talking about guns, money etc (what do you think Schooly D did?.....Big Daddy Kane?....even Eric B and Rakim...PAID IN FULL!!) doesnt make it any less Hip-Hop...but hey, like I said, I think that their music sucks and would rather see many different MC's getting the shine that these guys get but hey, we dont pick and choose who is and isnt Hip-Hop, we aint got no right.
Tigermen
05-07-2006, 19:11
What is shite? Don't be ignorant.
How on Earth are Dem Franchise Boyz considered a part of hiphop? Just because they rap? I don't think so. It's past the old-fashion days, in which anyone rapping would've automatically played a part in the hiphop movement. Rapping is just rapping nowadays.
Hiphop artist are those who make music of hiphop origin, with no influence of label demands. It's common sense (no pun). A rap artist is 50 Cent, one who makes music for the sheer aim of financial/commercial gain. A hiphop artist is someone like Talib Kweli, one who makes music for the simple point of expressing themselves and their conscience, not diluting or dressing-up for anyone.
If you still don't get what I'm saying, then I'll elaborate when I have some more time on my hands.
Whilst I agree with you that there is some distinction between rap and hip-hop, it's not surprising that there's a lot of confusion given that many people interchange the two terms so freely. Reading your point about Talib, I couldn't help but bring to mind the lyrics to the song called Good Mouring (I think...)
"Nowadays rap artists, coming half-hearted, commercial like pop or underground like black market. Where were you the day hip-hop died..."
So it's not surprising that people mix the two, even if there is a distinction there somewhere.
Nah, your OK.....Its a fact that these artists are known as Hip-Hop artists (wether me or you like them is neither here nor there)...how do you think these guys got into Hip-Hop, its a known fact that 50 Cent's favourite MC was Rakim.....
I couldn't care who his favourite emcee was, whether it was Vanilla Ice, MC Hammer, KRS One or Rakim, that's what they all say anyway (Rakim, KRS One blahzayblah).
Infact it's pure contradiction, cause if your favourite rapper is someone who exemplified the grail of hiphop, then why must you do the opposite?
just cause they talking about guns, money etc (what do you think Schooly D did?.....Big Daddy Kane?....even Eric B and Rakim...PAID IN FULL!!) doesnt make it any less Hip-Hop
When did I question the subject of the artist (money, cars, hoes)? I was questioning the purpose of their music. And Big Daddy Kane along with Rakim, wrote music to exercise their lyrical ability, not to exercise their bank balance.
I refuse to accept or label the likes of Dem Franchise Boyz as hiphop artists, regardless if the public/casual hiphop fans do and will keep on fighting against it. Not saying that you are one of them by the way.
I remember watching a interview with Young Jeezy on SMACK DVD and he made it clear that he wasn't doing the music thing for the whole hip/hop culture...he said he wasn't bothered what rappers think about him or his music...and that he was doing it for the "streets" as a trapper and all that shit.
People have to realize that some rappers only doing it for the money...since they could put words together they decided to take the whole rap thing as a hustle.
Anyways...there is a new XXL magazine coming with a interview with Jay-Z about the making of his first album, Reasonable Doubt.
Here's the cover:
http://xxlmag.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/83.Cover.jpg
Also there is a little interview with Jay on the XXL website, which i would recommend you lot to read.
http://xxlmag.com/online/?p=2471
and also this one: http://xxlmag.com/online/?p=2477
See ya.
Hip Hop is nothing now, it's dead in the water.
2Pac and Biggie were/are gods, now anyone who can rhyme about money and girls seems to be thrust into the limelight as the next big thing, same things happening in Indie too though, if you can play a guitar and have a semi decent drummer you're halfway to making a band. Sad really.
Hip Hop is nothing now, it's dead in the water.
2Pac and Biggie were/are gods, now anyone who can rhyme about money and girls seems to be thrust into the limelight as the next big thing, same things happening in Indie too though, if you can play a guitar and have a semi decent drummer you're halfway to making a band. Sad really.
Agreed. Thats where your's and my band come in mate ;)
Gun_Runner
06-07-2006, 16:08
could some hip-hop guru on the site please gimme a list of top 3/5 songs for these artists
KRS One
Rakim(got The Master & Paid In Full albums)
Talib
and any other real hip-hop artist who you can actually sit back and listen to repeatedly without getting bored of some beat that actually makes a song...sick of that , average lyrics-good beat...platinum cd:Angry:
alkemy007
06-07-2006, 16:30
could some hip-hop guru on the site please gimme a list of top 3/5 songs for these artists
KRS One
Rakim(got The Master & Paid In Full albums)
Talib
and any other real hip-hop artist who you can actually sit back and listen to repeatedly without getting bored of some beat that actually makes a song...sick of that , average lyrics-good beat...platinum cd:Angry:
KRS One-Rappaz R N Danja....The MC....Outta Here....Sound Of Da Police....MC's Act Like They Don't Know...they are the ones on his own but also check him out with BDP (Boogie Down Productions)
Rakim-Follow The Leader....Microphone Fiend....I Aint No Joke....Lyrics of Fury....It's Been A Long Time....Guess Who's Back
Talib Kweli-Get By....Guerrilla Monsoon Rap....The Proud....check also his album with DJ Hi-Tek under the name Reflection Eternal, it was called Train Of Thought
Heres a list of my fave rappers for you to check out since you asked:
Common, Apathy, Jedi Mind Tricks, Binary Star, Phi-Life Cypher, Aesop Rock, Blackalicious, Dilated Peoples, Mr.Lif, Jehst, Little Brother, Gangstarr, Cage, Copywrite, De La Soul, Souls Of Mischief, People Under The Stairs, Visionaries....they should keep you entertained for a while
Can someone tell me why hasn't 50 rapped since Hustla's ambiton ? Or is he rapping only in america ? Will suck if he is, one of my all-time favourites.
alkemy007
06-07-2006, 16:33
Agreed. Thats where your's and my band come in mate ;)
Gotta love the Led Zeppelin, probably my favourite rock band of all time, have every one of their albums (apart from the rip off re-masters!)....but as for Hip-Hop is dead?...get real, people been saying that for years, guess what, its still the number one selling music in the world!!!......and if 2Pac and Biggie(who was a wicked lyricist though) is about your knowledge of Hip-Hop then it dont suprise me that you think the music is dead...tch!...cant teach some people...haha
Gotta love the Led Zeppelin, probably my favourite rock band of all time, have every one of their albums (apart from the rip off re-masters!)....but as for Hip-Hop is dead?...get real, people been saying that for years, guess what, its still the number one selling music in the world!!!......and if 2Pac and Biggie(who was a wicked lyricist though) is about your knowledge of Hip-Hop then it dont suprise me that you think the music is dead...tch!...cant teach some people...haha
Selling the most records doesn't make a great artist. Also, considering i've been studying music for years, and am starting a course in September: www.acm.ac.uk (europe's leading Music college) i think i know a little about music.
Also, i didn't even say 2pac and Biggie were my knowledge, ads did. I rate artists like Run DMC, Kanye West because they bring something different that all the other predictable artists don't.
Gotta love the Led Zeppelin, probably my favourite rock band of all time, have every one of their albums (apart from the rip off re-masters!)....but as for Hip-Hop is dead?...get real, people been saying that for years, guess what, its still the number one selling music in the world!!!......and if 2Pac and Biggie(who was a wicked lyricist though) is about your knowledge of Hip-Hop then it dont suprise me that you think the music is dead...tch!...cant teach some people...haha
not the case at all mate, i know my hip hop. My older brother who plays drums in my band is a big fan of it, but only old school, 'Pac, Big Pun etc people with talent. There are FAR too many shit rappers who rap about killing people to make themselves look good, it's a fucking shame. Hip Hope music can be excellent, my band does a cover of Caught Out There by Kelis which i've gotta say sounds good. But too many artists are rapping about the wrong things and are killing hip hop, right now its all about egos.
alkemy007
06-07-2006, 16:43
[QUOTE=Gunplay]When did I question the subject of the artist (money, cars, hoes)? I was questioning the purpose of their music. And Big Daddy Kane along with Rakim, wrote music to exercise their lyrical ability, not to exercise their bank balance.[QUOTE]
Yeah thats right, Big Daddy Kane and Rakim made music for the Cuuuultuuure...hahahaahahahaha ....they wanted to get paid just like anyone else, dont be so naive, everyone wants to make money!....Its only that the subject matter that sells nowadays is all that gangsta shit....why do you think KRS did that Step Into A World track with Puffy on the chorus?....why is everyone getting Kanye on their tracks now?(I know he's a wicked producer but he been around for YEARS...now since he's blown up, they all got him on their tracks)....TO MAKE SOME MOOOONNNNEEYYYY!!!.....just let go of your romantic feelings mate, I lost mine years ago, there are still incredible artists in Hip-Hop at the moment doing it for the love but I bet they would love one of there singles to blow the fuck up so they can feed there kids a bit better....Im tired of this conversation anyway, I had it so many times before, we both obviously LOVE Hip-Hop so thats a good thing and lets drop it and just agree to disagree....Phew!
alkemy007
06-07-2006, 16:47
not the case at all mate, i know my hip hop. My older brother who plays drums in my band is a big fan of it, but only old school, 'Pac, Big Pun etc people with talent. There are FAR too many shit rappers who rap about killing people to make themselves look good, it's a fucking shame. Hip Hope music can be excellent, my band does a cover of Caught Out There by Kelis which i've gotta say sounds good. But too many artists are rapping about the wrong things and are killing hip hop, right now its all about egos.
hahahaha....too many people talk about killing people?....2Pac and Big Pun done that to death!!....Caught Out There aint Hip Hop!!!....For fucks sake mate.....Hip-Hop is still the most expressive musical artform in the world and like I said, you got a limited knowledge of the real talent that lies in Hip-Hop....and talk of getting boring?...Indie (in the mainstream) sucks like hell these days, too many groups sounding exactly like each other.
hahahaha....too many people talk about killing people?....2Pac and Big Pun done that to death!!....Caught Out There aint Hip Hop!!!....For fucks sake mate.....Hip-Hop is still the most expressive musical artform in the world and like I said, you got a limited knowledge of the real talent that lies in Hip-Hop....and talk of getting boring?...Indie (in the mainstream) sucks like hell these days, too many groups sounding exactly like each other.
I agree with what you said, and Ads, because i still think that hiphop is the most expressive music there is and i agree with ads about it not being no way near as good as it use to be.
alkemy007
06-07-2006, 16:51
Selling the most records doesn't make a great artist. Also, considering i've been studying music for years, and am starting a course in September: www.acm.ac.uk (europe's leading Music college) i think i know a little about music.
Also, i didn't even say 2pac and Biggie were my knowledge, ads did. I rate artists like Run DMC, Kanye West because they bring something different that all the other predictable artists don't.
Studying music?????....what do you do?, listen to a song, sit around with a bunch of dick heads in Starbucks breaking down the structure of a song....whatever mate.....My education of music comes from buying records, cd's etc since I was about ten, being a DJ for about seven years, going to concerts, gigs etc....generally just doing what normal folk do with music....LISTEN TO IT!
wrigh2uk
06-07-2006, 16:54
Can someone tell me why hasn't 50 rapped since Hustla's ambiton ? Or is he rapping only in america ? Will suck if he is, one of my all-time favourites.
He is, the new g-unit radio has come out, hes pumping out alot of singles out done a new diss to d-block with yayo i think and dropped another few tracks
hahahaha....too many people talk about killing people?....2Pac and Big Pun done that to death!!....Caught Out There aint Hip Hop!!!....For fucks sake mate.....Hip-Hop is still the most expressive musical artform in the world and like I said, you got a limited knowledge of the real talent that lies in Hip-Hop....and talk of getting boring?...Indie (in the mainstream) sucks like hell these days, too many groups sounding exactly like each other.
so who is the REAL talent in hip hop?
and if caught out there isn't hip hop what is it?
and yes, 'Pac and Pun rapped about it but not on every single one of their songs.
Name one NEW rapper who sings about real life and poverty and all the crap that goes on rather than about "MONEY AND BITCHES" hip hop has gotten absolutely shite mate, it is extremely expressive and thats why its wrong to be rapping about money and sex and killing people.
So go ahead.....one new rapper who raps about real life and doesn't reach out to under priviledged kids to boast about how much money they have.
Can someone tell me why hasn't 50 rapped since Hustla's ambiton ? Or is he rapping only in america ? Will suck if he is, one of my all-time favourites.
:huh:
He's been working on a mixtape which is directed towards these multiples artists even after the beef is over. It happens to be a shit mixtape too, huh predictable or what ?
After You Die, Who Is God & Flow Forever are also great songs by Rakim, could listen to them for hours.
wrigh2uk
06-07-2006, 16:58
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Tracklistings:
1. Lloyd Banks Feat. 50 Cent - Hands Up(Clean)
2. Lloyd Banks Feat. 50 Cent - Hands Up(Dirty)
3. Lloyd Banks Feat. 50 Cent - Hands Up(Instrumental)
(NEW)(NODJ) 50 Cent-Paper Chaser (Game Diss)(From G-unit Radio 21
(NEW)(NODJ) 50 Cent-Misdmenor (From G-Unit Radio 21)
(NEW)(DJ) 50 Cent Ft Tony Yayo-5 Heartbeats (Off Gunit Radio 21)
Thats a few new things
Gun_Runner
06-07-2006, 17:01
yea i like Flow Forever,...
50 Cent is also working on a new film...probz why you've not heard from him aswell.
wrigh2uk
06-07-2006, 17:01
hahahaha....too many people talk about killing people?....2Pac and Big Pun done that to death!!....Caught Out There aint Hip Hop!!!....For fucks sake mate.....Hip-Hop is still the most expressive musical artform in the world and like I said, you got a limited knowledge of the real talent that lies in Hip-Hop....and talk of getting boring?...Indie (in the mainstream) sucks like hell these days, too many groups sounding exactly like each other.
Yes there is and please remember Hip Hop and Rap arent the same thing, hip hops a life style.
Anywhoo theres talent you just got to find it and not expect to it on MTV base.
so who is the REAL talent in hip hop?
and if caught out there isn't hip hop what is it?
and yes, 'Pac and Pun rapped about it but not on every single one of their songs.
Name one NEW rapper who sings about real life and poverty and all the crap that goes on rather than about "MONEY AND BITCHES" hip hop has gotten absolutely shite mate, it is extremely expressive and thats why its wrong to be rapping about money and sex and killing people.
So go ahead.....one new rapper who raps about real life and doesn't reach out to under priviledged kids to boast about how much money they have.
Immortal Technique, a few years in the game but has some stories to tell. Far from all this glitz and glamour you see today. I strongly reccommend you listen to some of his music before making such a bold statement.
There are plenty of artists out there who spit the truth but its because they spit the truth that they are never identified worldwide.
Lupe Fiasco is also a refreshing upcoming rapper who's recently blown. Talks about money and bitches ? Nope.
Studying music?????....what do you do?, listen to a song, sit around with a bunch of dick heads in Starbucks breaking down the structure of a song....whatever mate.....My education of music comes from buying records, cd's etc since I was about ten, being a DJ for about seven years, going to concerts, gigs etc....generally just doing what normal folk do with music....LISTEN TO IT!
:laugh: what a ignorant fool you are. Education of music buying cd's, DJ? You know nothing about the theory of writing a song. So you think playing a guitar, writing songs/lyrics etc is what dickheads do?
As for listening to music, i have been for most of my life, from all different artists like : Jimi Hendrix,Bod Marley, The Clash, Led Zeppelin,Stone Roses, Bjork, etc etc..
Your absolutely clueless about music as a whole.
alkemy007
06-07-2006, 17:05
so who is the REAL talent in hip hop?
and if caught out there isn't hip hop what is it?
and yes, 'Pac and Pun rapped about it but not on every single one of their songs.
Name one NEW rapper who sings about real life and poverty and all the crap that goes on rather than about "MONEY AND BITCHES" hip hop has gotten absolutely shite mate, it is extremely expressive and thats why its wrong to be rapping about money and sex and killing people.
So go ahead.....one new rapper who raps about real life and doesn't reach out to under priviledged kids to boast about how much money they have.
One?....I named a load in my earlier post.....go back a page or two....i dont wanna argue like this mate cause it gets a bit tedious, you just aint heard REAL Hip-Hop....just check out some of the names on my list....and try and get a track called Reality Check by Binary Star, listen to the first verses lyrics and get back to me.
He is, the new g-unit radio has come out, hes pumping out alot of singles out done a new diss to d-block with yayo i think and dropped another few tracks
I thought 50 wanted to squash his beef wid d-block
alkemy007
06-07-2006, 17:09
:laugh: what a ignorant fool you are. Education of music buying cd's, DJ? You know nothing about the theory of writing a song. So you think playing a guitar, writing songs/lyrics etc is what dickheads do?
As for listening to music, i have been for most of my life, from all different artists like : Jimi Hendrix,Bod Marley, The Clash, Led Zeppelin,Stone Roses, Bjork, etc etc..
Your absolutely clueless about music as a whole.
I wouldnt be so quick to say that....I said dickheads are the ones who try and complicate music.
My fave artists of all time are (in no particular order)
Led Zeppelin, The Smiths, ACDC, Tracey Chapman, Sufjan Stevens, Jimi Hendrix, The Pogues, BB King, Keb Mo, Wu-Tang Clan(early stuff), KRS One, Simple Minds, Iron Maiden, joy Division....thats just for starters...anyway, lets drop this cause its getting boring.
wrigh2uk
06-07-2006, 17:13
Im gonna school people here
Hip Hop = Is a life style you live :
Rap = Is an art form which is a sub catergory of hip hop
Clothes
Graffiti
Break Dancing
B'Boying
Rap
RnB
Jazz
Soul
Dj'in
Enviroment
Etc
Common = Is a Hip Hop Artist
Lil Jon = Rapper
Dipset = Hip Hop
Chingy = Rapper
Not even the media knows the difference
I wouldnt be so quick to say that....I said dickheads are the ones who try and complicate music.
My fave artists of all time are (in no particular order)
Led Zeppelin, The Smiths, ACDC, Tracey Chapman, Sufjan Stevens, Jimi Hendrix, The Pogues, BB King, Keb Mo, Wu-Tang Clan(early stuff), KRS One, Simple Minds, Iron Maiden, joy Division....thats just for starters...anyway, lets drop this cause its getting boring.
I didn't once say i try to complicate music, as you first presumed i did. The best music is most of the time the most simplest and original, but you also need to be a talented musician, thats where learning music theory is needed.
I see you have a good list of artists there so i take back my judgement of you not knowing anything. Your right it is getting boring, i don't know much about Hip Hop cos i'm not really interested in it.
alkemy007
06-07-2006, 17:16
i don't know much about Hip Hop cos i'm not really interested in it.
If you would of said that at first it would of saved us a lot of bother....anyway, if you aint interested in Hip-Hop, why are you in a Hip-Hop forum?
Im gonna school people here
Hip Hop = Is a life style you live :
Rap = Is an art form which is a sub catergory of hip hop
Clothes
Graffiti
Break Dancing
B'Boying
Rap
RnB
Jazz
Soul
Dj'in
Enviroment
Etc
Common = Is a Hip Hop Artist
Lil Jon = Rapper
Dipset = Hip Hop
Chingy = Rapper
Not even the media knows the difference
Its classic when in the sunday papers you see headlines like...."Rapper Mark Morrisson is shot"....hahahahaha.
If you would of said that at first it would of saved us a lot of bother....anyway, if you aint interested in Hip-Hop, why are you in a Hip-Hop forum?
I was just agreeing with ads original comment about it , then you came and started questioning my knowledge!!!:D I know a decent amount but am not interested in it much at the moment because,from what i've seen, there isn't much out there. I like Run DMC, Kanye West.. Rappers that sing about Bitches,Money,drugs etc don't interest me really ;)
wrigh2uk
06-07-2006, 17:22
If you would of said that at first it would of saved us a lot of bother....anyway, if you aint interested in Hip-Hop, why are you in a Hip-Hop forum?
Its classic when in the sunday papers you see headlines like...."Rapper Mark Morrisson is shot"....hahahahaha.
lol or Hip Hop stars promote guns - so Usher and neyo is talking about guns now too ? .. Rappers promote guns people :)
Hip Hop is a cultural movement that began among African American communities in the Bronx, Queens, and Brooklyn boroughs of New York City in the early 1970s. Portions of the culture began spreading into the mainstream during the early 1980s, and by the 1990s, hip hop culture had spread all over the world. The movement is said to have begun with the work of DJ Kool Herc, while competing DJ Afrika Bambaataa is often credited with having invented the term "hip hop" to describe the culture.
The four main aspects, or "elements", of hip hop culture are MCing (rapping), DJing, graffiti, and b-boying (known to the mainstream as breakdancing). Most consider knowledge or droppin' science as the fifth element while some consider beatboxing. Others might add political activism, hip hop fashion, hip hop slang, double dutching (an urban form of rope skipping), or other elements as important facets of hip hop. In mainstream spheres, the term "hip hop" typically refers only to hip hop music (or rap music), the music produced by the MCing and DJing aspects of hip hop culture.
Originating from socially marginalized groups, the hip hop culture is spontaneously nonconformist in relation to the western system of values and esthetics.
Wikipedia - Im surprised they had the correct meanin i was impressed
alkemy007
06-07-2006, 17:30
Well...to everyone: If ya gonna come into a Hip-Hop forum and berate it, at least have the decency to hold quite a vast amount of knowledge on the artform you are dismissing...cause you will get pulled up on it...thanks.
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