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Hunter

06-07-2006, 17:36

Well...to everyone: If ya gonna come into a Hip-Hop forum and berate it, at least have the decency to hold quite a vast amount of knowledge on the artform you are dismissing...cause you will get pulled up on it...thanks.

Its a PES Forum, get it straight mate. This is a Hip/Hop 'Thread'. Difference eh ? ;)

People don't have to know set amounts or even know much at all, they should be able to happily post in here and get advice on what to listen to. People should be able to ask questions and get answers, learn Hip-Hop and not be 'pulled up' because they don't know as much as the next person might.

alkemy007

06-07-2006, 17:45

Its a PES Forum, get it straight mate. This is a Hip/Hop 'Thread'. Difference eh ? ;)

People don't have to know set amounts or even know much at all, they should be able to happily post in here and get advice on what to listen to. People should be able to ask questions and get answers, learn Hip-Hop and not be 'pulled up' because they don't know as much as the next person might.

OK then, its a Hip-Hop thread, and my point being that if you slag the music off without any real knowledge then you will get pulled, ask questions, ask advice, yes, thats fine but dont blindly slag it off when you have a limited knowledge, thats my point.

Gun_Runner

06-07-2006, 18:44

Just saw this guy here, I think hes pretty good..

http://www.myspace.com/schemeonline

Hunter

06-07-2006, 18:49

Just saw this guy here, I think hes pretty good..

http://www.myspace.com/schemeonline

I'd have to strongly disagree.

alkemy007

06-07-2006, 18:57

I'd have to strongly disagree.

Id have to strongly agree with the disagreement.

JoeyM

06-07-2006, 19:00

Yep, he's pretty awful.

Cali

06-07-2006, 19:21

I second that! :no:.

ads

07-07-2006, 08:26

Lupe Fiasco is also a refreshing upcoming rapper who's recently blown. Talks about money and bitches ? Nope.

I'm just giving my opinion here, just as someone said yesterday all Indie music sounds the same now, its not true.

But i've heard Lupe Fiasco and i do like what i've heard.

Kick, Push is refreshing and different and it grew on me straight away.

But 90% of rappers now DO rap about the wrong things.

It's the whole Hip/Hop scene that leads people to believe they're part of that winds me up. Kids from England saying they're from the "Ghetto" fuck that, put em in a dirty street in the dirtiest part of America and they wouldn't last 5 minutes. I fail to see how people from England can say things like that without going through it themselves, when Rap/Hip Hop artists sing about "coming up from...." or whatever you know 80% of the time it's real, but when people from over here say it they have no experience of it.

How often do you hear of drive by shootings, gang wars etc in England? Nowhere near as much as America.

Kids fall into the music too easily and are influenced by it, and too many rappers are putting the wrong message across. Thats my OPINION.

Magpie4eva

08-07-2006, 14:05

Ok I've been away from this thread for a bit but I'm back.

Anyway my fave song atm is TI feat Eve - Cash Flow. I really insist you check it out. Heres my megaupload link: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=E7D60AJ0

pes_godfather

08-07-2006, 14:53

have u heard
Jay Z - The Takeover
its TOP CLASS

wrigh2uk

08-07-2006, 14:56

have u heard
Jay Z - The Takeover
its TOP CLASS

Yeah classic song, prefer ether myself though ;)

pes_godfather

08-07-2006, 14:59

whats it called
Ether
i might get it

Hunter

08-07-2006, 17:01

whats it called
Ether
i might get it

'Might' is not an option, the song is a must.
Nas tore Jay limb from limb with that song, something Takeover never did.

alkemy007

10-07-2006, 15:34

Kids fall into the music too easily and are influenced by it, and too many rappers are putting the wrong message across. Thats my OPINION.

I couldnt agree more on that point. Thats what annoys me...Hip-Hop is so much better than that.

ads

10-07-2006, 15:41

I couldnt agree more on that point. Thats what annoys me...Hip-Hop is so much better than that.

it is, i totally agree, although it's not my sort of music it's a very powerful genre and you have to be talented to rap. But too many rappers get on the stage, a very big stage, being able to reach millions of people and they're rapping about the wrong thing, it's disappointing.

Level6

14-07-2006, 13:09

Has anybody heard Papoose new mixtape The 1.5 Million Dollar Man?

Just downloaded right now, if you want to hear it i'll post up the link.

JoeyM

17-07-2006, 03:07

New Roots leaked - it's awesome.

Gunplay

18-07-2006, 14:57

New Roots leaked - it's awesome.
Damn you JoeyM. I'm resisting the urge, only a month or so to go. Thanks for the feedback though, not that I'm surprised by it.

''Don't Feel Right'' is class, Black Thought is insanely focussed, I can listen to it all day. The best band out there IMO.

Are we smelling a classic Joey?

''In the land of the unseen hand, and hold trouble
Theorize your game, it's difficult to roll a double
The struggle ain't right up in your face, it's more subtle
But it's still coming across like the bridge and tunnel vision
I try to school these bucks, but they don't wanna listen
That's the reason the system making it's paper from the prison''

I repeat, insanely focussed!

JoeyM

18-07-2006, 16:35

It's brilliant, the entire album is focussed, it clocks in at only 47 minutes, and is just 13 tracks, one of which is an intro. Of the 12 songs I only don't like 2, and that's only because the hooks get on my nerves. If you want to download one more track to hold you over to the release then I'd definitely recommend Atonement. Or Game Theory. Or Here I Come. Or Long Time. Or...well you get the idea.;)

Is it a classic? Time will tell, but if I'm still listening to it in a month from now as much as I am now, then I'll have an answer. But for now it's definitely up there for album of the year so far with Fishscale, and that's coming from someone who loved Fishscale more than most.

pes_godfather

19-07-2006, 19:09

Fort Minor - ..............any of there material
they are great (Red to Black aint that good :blush:)

wrigh2uk

20-07-2006, 00:02

New J.R wirter is out just copped it, will review later but damm soo far first couple of tracks are fire.

Teekay

20-07-2006, 10:26

New J.R wirter is out just copped it, will review later but damm soo far first couple of tracks are fire.

I've heard JR's album is a bit disppointing, but I haven't really listened to it myself.

Hansel

20-07-2006, 10:37

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3043300716513866191&q=kanye+west

pes_godfather

20-07-2006, 12:02

he is a crip ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :lol:

Tigermen

20-07-2006, 14:58

Damn you JoeyM. I'm resisting the urge, only a month or so to go. Thanks for the feedback though, not that I'm surprised by it.

''Don't Feel Right'' is class, Black Thought is insanely focussed, I can listen to it all day. The best band out there IMO.

Are we smelling a classic Joey?

''In the land of the unseen hand, and hold trouble
Theorize your game, it's difficult to roll a double
The struggle ain't right up in your face, it's more subtle
But it's still coming across like the bridge and tunnel vision
I try to school these bucks, but they don't wanna listen
That's the reason the system making it's paper from the prison''

I repeat, insanely focussed!

Don't feel right couldn't really fail to be honest, because the chords on the piano are pretty much the same as the next movement, which, of course, is awesome. Good to hear the Roots back on form though, just waiting for the next Nas, Common and Talib now. Things are picking up!

Hunter

20-07-2006, 15:22

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3043300716513866191&q=kanye+west

Okay.

pes_godfather

20-07-2006, 19:12

yeah he is very random anyhoo..............

what about
Ice Cube feat. Snoop Dogg & Lil Jon - Go To Church
it's OK, nothing special tho :D

Hansel

20-07-2006, 19:45

I meant Kanye's new song, it's great. I couldn't find the Music Video, only live shows.

pes_godfather

20-07-2006, 19:48

Touch The Sky aint that new m8

Hansel

20-07-2006, 19:54

Touch The Sky aint that new m8
Doesn't mean I can't like it. :)

pes_godfather

20-07-2006, 19:55

no i know but u said "Kanye's new song"

Level6

20-07-2006, 21:42

New Roots leaked - it's awesome.
I've never been to fond of the roots....but i did love their first single, "what they do", to the point i bought the album "Ilphadiphia".....and honestly I thought it was CRAP...despite hip/hop heads saying it's a classic.

Maybe I think it's crap because i'm not mature enough to be listening to their music; I was like 15 when i got their album and i still think the album is CRAP...maybe in 5 or 6 years time I might appreaciate the album lol!

Level6

20-07-2006, 21:51

New J.R wirter is out just copped it, will review later but damm soo far first couple of tracks are fire.
Mate, that album is GARBAGE!

Only decent song on there is "diplomat" and "birdcall".

Rambo

20-07-2006, 22:11

yeah he is very random anyhoo..............

what about
Ice Cube feat. Snoop Dogg & Lil Jon - Go To Church
it's OK, nothing special tho :D
That tune is good, listen to why we thugs by Ice cube

Hansel

20-07-2006, 22:21

no i know but u said "Kanye's new song"
Oh, sorry. Heh.. :blush:

pes_godfather

20-07-2006, 22:45

manu4ever i have heard Why We Thugs its goooooooooooood

Singh

20-07-2006, 22:52

okay a bit random, but i was looking to get a Big L album.

Any recommendations?

pes_godfather

20-07-2006, 22:54

i dont really like Big L so nope no recomendations

JoeyM

20-07-2006, 22:55

okay a bit random, but i was looking to get a Big L album.

Any recommendations?

Get Lifestylez Ov Da Poor and Dangerous

Singh

20-07-2006, 23:00

Get Lifestylez Ov Da Poor and Dangerous

Thank you, very much.

Hunter

21-07-2006, 00:25

i dont really like Big L so nope no recomendations

Seriously, what is not to like about Big L ?

Up there with the best ever easily and Lifestylez of..... was a classic album, listen to songs such as 'All Black' and 'MVP', in fact just get the album. His 1998 Freestyle is also superb:

"I got enough bread, and mad hoes, ask Beavis I get nothing Butt-head."

Genius.

Singh

21-07-2006, 00:55

Big L was quality, shame his life was taken away so early.

Im currently listening to Slick Rick, unbelievably funny.

Level6

21-07-2006, 02:59

Hey Hunter you heard that '95 freestyle he done with Jay-Z?

"I'm so ahead of my time my parents haven't even met yet"

:cool:

Rambo

21-07-2006, 21:10

Who do you guys think is the best rapper alive today?

you can include rappers from underground, or people like Rakim and kool g rap

I reckon it is people like:
Immortal
Saigon
Nas
Tech N9ne

Cali

21-07-2006, 21:14

Best rapper alive today? Hmmmm.... i say people like;
Nas, Snoop Dogg, 50 Cent (Why hasnt he bought out any singles since Hustla's ambition? :mellow:), Immortal, T.I. That's my opinion anyways.

JoeyM

21-07-2006, 21:32

50 Cent and Saigon?

:no:

Cali

21-07-2006, 21:35

50 cent was at his peak earlier this year, Ok, my "Opinion" is probably biased but i think he should be on that list. (Biased?).

JoeyM

21-07-2006, 21:43

At his peak earlier this year? How? What has he released this year? 50 Cent on any 'best rapper alive' list isn't biased, just uneducated.

Hunter

21-07-2006, 21:59

At his peak earlier this year? How? What has he released this year? 50 Cent on any 'best rapper alive' list isn't biased, just uneducated.

Agreed.

50 has also released a lot of material since Hustlas Ambition, but its been in mixtape form. You don't really want to listen to another musical Massacre do you ?

pes_godfather

21-07-2006, 22:13

best current rappers

well the best is Kanye West
2. Jay Z
3. Snoop Dogg
4. Pharrell Williams (if u class him as a "rapper")
5. 50 Cent
6. Eminem
7. Mos Def (BIG in America ;))
8. Busta Rhymes (He is still in the game)
9. Twista (well he is the fastest)
10. Fort Minor (I Beleive he is a great talent) (no really)

Teekay

21-07-2006, 22:25

Best rapper alive today? Hmmmm.... i say people like;
Nas, Snoop Dogg, 50 Cent (Why hasnt he bought out any singles since Hustla's ambition? :mellow:), Immortal, T.I. That's my opinion anyways.

I'm not sure 50 even deserves to be alive.

Best active rapper alive right now...

Probably Common, or Nas, when judging just as a rapper.

pes_godfather

21-07-2006, 22:45

why do people hate Fiddy he is succesful right ?????
he has had number one hitz hasnt he ?????????????
so why aint he good ????????????????????????????

Hunter

21-07-2006, 23:00

why do people hate Fiddy he is succesful right ?????
he has had number one hitz hasnt he ?????????????
so why aint he good ????????????????????????????

You don't have to be able to rap well to get to No.1, fact.

pes_godfather

21-07-2006, 23:03

yeah but he has had NO.1 so that is classed as succesful. FACT.

Cali

21-07-2006, 23:03

At his peak earlier this year? How? What has he released this year? 50 Cent on any 'best rapper alive' list isn't biased, just uneducated.
We all have different opinions and IMO, 50 deserves to be there. Life wouldn't be worth it if we didn't all have opinions, so lets leave it at that.

Hunter

21-07-2006, 23:05

yeah but he has had NO.1 so that is classed as succesful. FACT.

The Massacre was classed as successful due to statistical record sales but it was indeed an absolutely shite album. Having a No.1 means fuck all today.

Hansel

21-07-2006, 23:10

The Massacre was classed as successful due to statistical record sales but it was indeed an absolutely shite album. Having a No.1 means fuck all today.
Yeah, UK's Eurovision song contest made the finals so...

pes_godfather

21-07-2006, 23:10

Tigermen

22-07-2006, 01:15

IMO

Hustlas Ambition - Great
Gunz Come Out - Great
Hate It Or Love It Remix - Great
Piggy Bank - Great
This Is 50 - Great
Ski Mask Way - Great
Ryder Musik - Great

fair enough songs on that album like "In My Hood" were very poor but the ones i listed are great those are the majority of the album so whats the problem.
And "Get Rich Or Die Tryin'" was one of the greatest rap albums ever

Dude honestly, save yourself the inevitable slatings and just leave it. People don't really use this thread to talk about artists like 50 cent. Without being anal, it's a hip-hop thread not a rap thread, and as was discussed a few pages back there is a difference.

Teekay

22-07-2006, 11:13

why do people hate Fiddy he is succesful right ?????
he has had number one hitz hasnt he ?????????????
so why aint he good ????????????????????????????

No.1 song doesn't make you a good artist.

D4L had a number one with Laffy Taffy. I rest my case.

Magpie4eva

22-07-2006, 11:19

My fave rappers.

Kanye West
Jay Z
Tupac

I used to love all the Eminem and 50 Cent crap but now it just annoys me. But what is everyones fave song atm? I'm loving Jay-Z, Faith Evans and Biggie - A dream.

But currently I'm looking for rappers/groups which arn't very popular and have good matrial. Hopefully loads of sugggestions will come.

P.S I also like Chamillionaire.

D4L had a number one with Laffy Taffy. I rest my case.
:laugh: :laugh: Good point.

Tigermen

22-07-2006, 13:31

My fave rappers.

Kanye West
Jay Z
Tupac

I used to love all the Eminem and 50 Cent crap but now it just annoys me. But what is everyones fave song atm? I'm loving Jay-Z, Faith Evans and Biggie - A dream.

But currently I'm looking for rappers/groups which arn't very popular and have good matrial. Hopefully loads of sugggestions will come.

P.S I also like Chamillionaire.

:laugh: :laugh: Good point.

Try Hieroglyphics, Black Moon and Little Brother out for size.

robz18

29-07-2006, 23:42

Anyone listened to Healing from stange fruit project?

Cat Meat Teeth

29-07-2006, 23:47

nope never heard of them

Teekay

30-07-2006, 15:39

All of you have probably heard The Game's new song?
http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/audio/id.320

Cat Meat Teeth

30-07-2006, 15:45

yeah but i dont like Game much anymore

Rambo

30-07-2006, 19:22

Yh I heard one blood, it is a good tune and I think it is from his new album. Hopefully his new album will be as good or even better than his previous one

Usul

01-08-2006, 11:38

http://www.myspace.com/contraenterprize

My boy. :happy:

He was gonna do some shit with Jedi Mind Tricks and Immortal Technique this summer but, Lebanon being a war zone and all, that shit ain't happening no more.

Nifty1Pound50

01-08-2006, 11:57

Just in case you haven't heard of Sway - go and buy his album.

UK hip-hop, very witty, class flow - and better than 95% of the across-the-water rappers.

Also, AOTP (Army of the Pharoahs) have an album called The Torture Papers, which is pretty good. Links with Jedi Mind Tricks mean the production's solid, and there's a few stand-out lyrical performances to boot.

But seriously, go and buy Sway's album.

Usul

01-08-2006, 12:05

Nifty1Pound50

01-08-2006, 13:04

The JMT album?

If so (released around 2004 I believe), I own it. ;)

Cat Meat Teeth

01-08-2006, 13:20

Shut Up U Clown

Rambo

01-08-2006, 13:37

Yo Nifty what's his album called?

Cat Meat Teeth

01-08-2006, 13:43

Shuty Up Nobody Likes U

Hunter

01-08-2006, 16:52

Yo Nifty what's his album called?

Sway - This Is My Demo

Good album, definetely worth buying. I bought 2 actually, long story. Still wrapped if anyone wants to buy it cheap.

Just bought a few albums recently since I was away for a few days on holiday. They had quite a few shops selling cheap CD's. Bought:

Talib Kweli - Quality
Big L - The Big Picture
Jurassic 5 - Quality Control
Ghostface Killah - Bulletproof Wallets
Genius/GZA - Liquid Swords

Haven't listened to them yet like but I think I'll start now.

Rambo

01-08-2006, 16:57

Sway - This Is My Demo.
Oh, I heard that album it's good man. Love his music and he is very funny

Keyser Soze

01-08-2006, 17:03

Just in case you haven't heard of Sway - go and buy his album.

UK hip-hop, very witty, class flow - and better than 95% of the across-the-water rappers.
“Not even a Jamiroquai hat could fit my ego” Loving his unique style, a UK artist who isn't just hype. Also, check out S.A.S, Euro Dipset album with tracks like;

All Street Salute
Dipset All Day
Once Upon A Time In London
Singing This Song

These are the band to take the UK on to the next level in Hip Hop.

Just bought a few albums recently since I was away for a few days on holiday. They had quite a few shops selling cheap CD's. Bought:

Talib Kweli - Quality
Genius/GZA - Liquid Swords

They are genius.

Usul

01-08-2006, 18:03

The JMT album?

If so (released around 2004 I believe), I own it. ;)
No, no, no. Outerspace is Planet and Crypt, two brothers that have been featured in JMT tracks but are now independent.

They are also from Philly and are connected with the whole JMT & AOTP clicks.

They have this one track called Angels of Death that features Vinnie Paz and Immortal Technique...Nuff said.

Keyser Soze

03-08-2006, 18:24

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0SuN7R9xlM&eurl=

That was Lowkey, another one of Uk's promising mc's, probably along with Sway, S.A.S and Klashnekoff.

Malagacf

04-08-2006, 08:33

I love this song of Busta Rhymes with Stevie Wonder, Through the storm, great.

blackillusion

05-08-2006, 22:57

What im listening to recently:
AOTP - Toture Papers album
Apathy - Eastern Philosophy album
Lupe Fiasco

And the old stuff, fort minor, styles of beyond, immortal technique.

Anyone heard Fort Minor - Tools Of The Trade??

wrigh2uk

01-09-2006, 20:56

Time to bring this thread back

Here this bunch of bullshit

Rap star Mos Def was arrested last night (Aug. 31) after MTV's VMA's because he didn't have authorization to perform outside of Radio City Music Hall in New York.

The rapper, born Dante Smith, was charged with disorderly conduct after attempting to perform on a flatbed truck for a crowd outside of the event.

Police ordered the rapper to end his impromptu performance of "Katrina Clap," a freestyle criticizing the Bush administration's response to the Hurricane Katrina disaster.

The request to halt the performance was not immediately relayed to MOs Def. According to reports, members of the rapper's entourage were arrested as well.

Representatives for MOs Def said the rapper was unjustly arrested and that the whole situation was captured on camera.

Mos Def was released this morning (Sept. 1).

If it would have been a rock or pop singer they probably would have let it swing

Also just downloaded Root's Game theory album will drop back with some info once I've gone through

DesertFox

03-09-2006, 09:01

I can't be bothered to read all 80 pages so I don't know what everyone is talking about so I will just name the people who I think are TOP QUALITY.

Kanye West
Pharrel
T.I.
Lupe Fiasco
Mos Def

Most hip-hop artists or rappers are whack, for example 50 Cent, Nelly, Chingy, Fat Joe, Missy Elliot, R. Kelly, and alot lot more.

Hunter

03-09-2006, 12:59

Add to the list of whack rappers: Pharrel, Kanye West and possiby TI in terms of rapping ability.

Kanye is a great producer though, however I dislike the majority of beats made by Pharrel.

Rambo

03-09-2006, 15:55

I am not a big fan of Lupe Fiasco, but what I do like about him is that he doesnt act like a gangster unlike other rappers and thats the kind of people I would like to see in Hip hop

Hunter

03-09-2006, 17:01

Lupe Fiasco is an immense rapper. Without a shadow of a doubt one of the best in recent years I reckon. His flow is superb, wordplay is quality and his metaphors are up to scratch too. He even has moments where I believe he's a genius.

Can't wait for the finished Food & Liquor to hit stores late this month. Although the front cover has got to be one of the shoddiest I've seen.

http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/7072/foodliquorwb6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Rambo

03-09-2006, 17:12

I'm not saying he isnt, it's just that i'm not feeling his music to be honest

DesertFox

04-09-2006, 08:33

Add to the list of whack rappers: Pharrel, Kanye West and possiby TI in terms of rapping ability.

Kanye is a great producer though, however I dislike the majority of beats made by Pharrel.

Kanye West and Pharrel? Common man.....I would understand how people may think T.I. is bad but Pharrel and especially West are great. IMO (hence IMO)

Hunter

04-09-2006, 12:27

Kanye West and Pharrel? Common man.....I would understand how people may think T.I. is bad but Pharrel and especially West are great. IMO (hence IMO)

Neither Kanye and Pharrel are rappers, simple. They are barely good rappers, Kanye's great beats just cover his lack of ability on the mic although sometimes his subject matters are good but doesn't make him a good rapper. Pharrel, well, just no.

TI is more of a natural rapper than the likes, however it gets a bit annoying aftera period of time.

bitz

04-09-2006, 12:30

The best rapper is Taki Tsan:D :D :D

wrigh2uk

04-09-2006, 13:22

Neither Kanye and Pharrel are rappers, simple. They are barely good rappers, Kanye's great beats just cover his lack of ability on the mic although sometimes his subject matters are good but doesn't make him a good rapper. Pharrel, well, just no.

TI is more of a natural rapper than the likes, however it gets a bit annoying aftera period of time.

Kanye and Pharrel are great entertainers, but aren't good rappers.

Ogopa Djz

08-09-2006, 18:14

Wow this thread died....anywho ama drop a mixtape on here later on.:cool:

Hansel

08-09-2006, 18:33

I really hate Pharrel, can't believe he's had so many Hits.

Davinche

26-09-2006, 12:30

Problem with Pharrel was that it was the Chinese guy (Chad Hugo) that was making them big (He was really the producer master mind). They haven’t been seen together in a long time which explains why In my Mind , was so atrocious on many levels, especially on production. In fact Chad did not do any production.

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/record_review/37523/Pharrell_In_My_Mind

Lupe fiascos album is okay. Its not a classic, and I wouldn’t say its great, but its good/adequate.

However I have lost a bit of respect for him. After I heard his first track.
http://xxlmag.com/online/?p=4881

It’s an opinion, but talking about selling drugs and shooting people, and now criticizing those people/ their music is kind of hypocritical.

Hunter

26-09-2006, 13:10

If anything I've gained more respect for Lupe, going from "Pop,Pop" to "Kick,Push" & "American Terrorist". Remarkable eh ?

Undoubtedly the advance of Food & Liquor is greater than the official release unfortunately. However whilst talking about such materialistic things from time to time, he does it in such a different way people are bound to misinterpret his views. Hustlaz Song is a great track for example.

benejechi

26-09-2006, 13:26

Lupe is ok I don't understand why the world is dick riding him, and please everyone stop hating on 50 Cent the man has a plan and forget the fact that his raps aren't great he knows how to sing a great hook and also how to pick a good beat

Davinche

26-09-2006, 13:37

Hunter
Yeah he has great tracks in his album. I would say his lyrics were quite good its the production that limped a bit.

I never downloaded the advance, but i will now, I never payed too much attention to him back then.

It would be a great change from 'gangsta' to 'real person' but I kinda question if it was real to begin with, because he never mentions it untill now?
I wouldn't hold it against him since most rappers are fakes, just suprised to hear something like that from him.

Teekay

26-09-2006, 13:45

Lupe Fiasco's album is the shit right now. Probably the album of the year so far. Not a single weak song in there, and the whole package works like a dream. Great rapping and nice beats.

About T.I. he isn't a great writer, but he has a good entertaining flow. Probably the hottest rapper in the south right now.

nath_scfc

26-09-2006, 13:50

Teekay

26-09-2006, 13:56

Coming from an indie perspective, Lupe's tapped into the niche market where pople across genres like him. Kanye did it, now Lupe is too.

I've been listening to A Breath of Fresh Attire by The Mitchell Brothers recently.

Outkast was probably the first hip-hop group/artist that I started to like, but they have also been an alternative hip-hop group throughout their career.

But you're right about Kanye & Lupe there.

Rambo

26-09-2006, 15:48

Level6

21-11-2006, 18:34

So anyone here getting the Jay-Z's Kingdom Come?

I'm getting the special edition on with a bonus DVD (only 10.99 at CD-WOW).

Rambo

21-11-2006, 18:38

Didn't he say he was retiring?

Anyways, I probably will but I am not expecting much

masterleo16

21-11-2006, 18:43

is anyone here who is looking forward in getting snoop dogs new album which i think it coming out on the 27th november. i think his album would be much better then The Games album.

Rambo

21-11-2006, 18:45

is anyone here who is looking forward in getting snoop dogs new album which i think it coming out on the 27th november. i think his album would be much better then The Games album.

It's not even close to Game's album in my opinion

Jonny2J

21-11-2006, 19:15

is anyone here who is looking forward in getting snoop dogs new album which i think it coming out on the 27th november. i think his album would be much better then The Games album.Snoop has been shite since Tha Doggfather! FACT.

Hunter

21-11-2006, 20:52

Snoop has been shite since Tha Doggfather! FACT.

Very true, beyond a reasonable doubt. However, his new album is supposed to be reminiscent of the legend from what I've been told. A near classic apparently. So I'm certainly going to give it a listen, maybe you will now.

Jonny2J

21-11-2006, 21:01

Very true, beyond a reasonable doubt. However, his new album is supposed to be reminiscent of the legend from what I've been told. A near classic apparently. So I'm certainly going to give it a listen, maybe you will now.I might do mate, give it a download anyway as I refuse to buy anything Snoop Dogg touches after the way he sold out over the years with collaboration's with the likes of Neptunes etc, basically at times ignoring his West Coast roots, bringing Bay slang to the foreay of modern culture despite him not being from that area and E-40 being the pioneer of that kind of talk on albums. Then of course the refusal to do a 213 album for years.

Added with the fact he is nothing without Dre and Tha DOC by his side guiding him.

Krook

21-11-2006, 21:03

Snoop has been shite since Tha Doggfather! FACT.

Indeed that is a FACT. Although I think Dre should never have stopped holding his hand, most tracks where they have collaborated since Doggystyle sees a glimpse of the slick young pup he used to be. My opinion of course but personally I think Snoop's name is on far too many tracks, quality over quantity any day.

Whether I'm looking forward to his latest album is another matter. I just seem pessimistic about any new rap albums coming out at the moment. I'm just going to listen to my 90's rap again & again until I die.

JoeyM

21-11-2006, 21:03

Snoop's album is pretty good, much better than Doctor's Advocate which was fairly average.

Kingdom Come is just...ugh.

wrigh2uk

22-11-2006, 07:52

Snoop's album is pretty good, much better than Doctor's Advocate which was fairly average.

Kingdom Come is just...ugh.

No way man, I think Game's gone real westcoast on this album. So it depends of what type of rap your accustomed to East or West. This new one shits all over The Documentary.

wrigh2uk

22-11-2006, 07:54

I might do mate, give it a download anyway as I refuse to buy anything Snoop Dogg touches after the way he sold out over the years with collaboration's with the likes of Neptunes etc, basically at times ignoring his West Coast roots, bringing Bay slang to the foreay of modern culture despite him not being from that area and E-40 being the pioneer of that kind of talk on albums. Then of course the refusal to do a 213 album for years.

Added with the fact he is nothing without Dre and Tha DOC by his side guiding him.

:( Not to worry a DPG album is on the way next year. Thats what the worlds been missing...

Usul

22-11-2006, 08:03

I watched the American Music Awards, a few hours ago. Both Snoop and Jay-Z peformed a track from their new albums. I wasn't too impressed.

I'm not into that pimp daddy/player nonsense, unless it is done with gusto, and that i saw nothing of, last night.

Snoop's got style, and he can rap, and Jay-Z has produced good tracks, but i prefer rappers that spit about real shit. Not that Tony Montana wannabe, crap.

Neither of them could battle someone like Immortal Technique and live to tell about it.

crazy47

22-11-2006, 16:38

wat do u lot think about snoop dogs new song Vato.

JoeyM

22-11-2006, 16:41

Hunter

22-11-2006, 17:06

Level6

22-11-2006, 17:08

Immortal Technique is probably one of the worst rappers on the planet when it comes to actual skill. His flow and delivery are awful.

He can make some intelligent, insightful songs, but for the most part he just comes across as a crabby cunt trying to be controversial. He's a fairly average rapper that pseudointellectuals love to harp on a about.
Have to agree with you there JoeyM!

When you listen to he rap it sounds just to bland, obviously what he has to say is more important, but like i said he sounds to bland.

-

Here is a little guardian review of Jay-Z's new album http://music.guardian.co.uk/urban/reviews/story/0,,1944879,00.html

Usul

22-11-2006, 18:11

Immortal Technique is probably one of the worst rappers on the planet when it comes to actual skill. His flow and delivery are awful.

He can make some intelligent, insightful songs, but for the most part he just comes across as a crabby cunt trying to be controversial. He's a fairly average rapper that pseudointellectuals love to harp on a about.
Immortal maybe a bit bland, but i don't think that Jay-Z's and Snoop's flow or voice, is any better.

Besides, how can you say that he is one of the worst? He may not be as fast or melodical as others in the field, but the man can rhyme.

I don't mean to sound too underground, but it seems to me that commercial rap has taken over your senses.

wrigh2uk

22-11-2006, 18:58

Teekay

22-11-2006, 20:31

Level6

22-11-2006, 20:45

Jay-z has one of the best flows in rap history :huh:

Download a couple tracks, Dead Presidents in particular
+1

Montana & Co

22-11-2006, 21:03

yo how gd is snoop doggs new track - Vato+ The Game - One Blood

Krook

22-11-2006, 21:09

Vato is one of the worst tracks I've heard in a while. Very repetitive and annoying. I'm a fan of both Snoop & B-Real and to say I was disappointed would be an understatement.

One Blood is the better track out of the two, although to me the guy in the background saying 'One Blood' in each bar while Game raps just sounds horrible. Not too bad musically but both Game & rap music has so much better to offer.

Montana & Co

22-11-2006, 21:12

strangely enough i thot those songs would be unpopular but hey i like them. Lol

Krook

22-11-2006, 21:17

strangely enough i thot those songs would be unpopular but hey i like them. Lol

Well I am cynical these days about most rap tracks and I can understand a little why you might like One Blood. It was played extremely loud at a mates party the other day and it was the highlight of the music played that night (although I was very.. very.. drunk ;)).

Vato to me is just annoying. I heard it earlier today and I can't get it out of my head, unfortunately for all the wrong reasons.

Montana & Co

22-11-2006, 21:43

Lol do u lyke T.I.

Usul

22-11-2006, 21:45

Vatos Locos fureva, ese! Viva la raza, carnal! :tongue:

Montana & Co

22-11-2006, 21:46

erm.............. come again

wrigh2uk

22-11-2006, 22:27

Jay-Z's flow used to be one of the best. Just listen to Kingdom Come and you will agree that he has started to decline.

The Chris Martin produced track is one of the few stand-out tracks on the album :huh:

To be honest I was very disappointed with Jay's comeback. Besides Beach Chair, Show Me What You Got and Kingdom Come are the few tracks that I have liked.

I'm going to give this album more time, but it doesn't sound awfully good on first few listens.

I just hope Nas can produce a good album :)

His flow hasn't declined hes just put it aside to sell records, he has changed his style...

The Nas album should be good but don't expect a illmatic. Download the track hip hop is dead ;)

JoeyM

22-11-2006, 22:52

Immortal maybe a bit bland, but i don't think that Jay-Z's and Snoop's flow or voice, is any better.

Besides, how can you say that he is one of the worst? He may not be as fast or melodical as others in the field, but the man can rhyme.

I don't mean to sound too underground, but it seems to me that commercial rap has taken over your senses.

Jay's flow when he was in his prime was effortless, and Snoop is probably one of the most technically gifted rappers out there, even if he never says anything worthwhile.

Immortal can rhyme, you're right, just not as well as most other rappers, I'm sure there are worse out there, and judging flow can come down to personal opinion, but I'm struggling to think of another signed rapper who has worse delivery.

And commercial rap has taken over my senses?:laugh: Why? Because I value delivery in addition to lyrics?

Viperized

22-11-2006, 23:03

Immortal Technique is possibly the most boring rapper out there.

JoeyM

22-11-2006, 23:34

Jay-Z's flow used to be one of the best. Just listen to Kingdom Come and you will agree that he has started to decline.

The Chris Martin produced track is one of the few stand-out tracks on the album :huh:

To be honest I was very disappointed with Jay's comeback. Besides Beach Chair, Show Me What You Got and Kingdom Come are the few tracks that I have liked.

I'm going to give this album more time, but it doesn't sound awfully good on first few listens.

I just hope Nas can produce a good album :)

Couldn't agree more. I wasn't expecting too much from Jay, but I was very disappointed with the production. Show Me What You Got, Kingdom Come, and Oh My God (all of which were by Just Blaze) were well produced, but everything else sounds second rate, including the Dre beats.

Rambo

22-11-2006, 23:52

So where would you put Jay-Z amongst the best?

I have seen on various shows and websites saying Jay-Z is the best rapper due to being in the rap game longer than other legends

Jonny2J

23-11-2006, 11:44

So where would you put Jay-Z amongst the best?

I have seen on various shows and websites saying Jay-Z is the best rapper due to being in the rap game longer than other legendsI wouldn't have him anywhere near the GOAT personally, for starters due to his unsavory obsession with stealing all things Notorious B.I.G.

wrigh2uk

23-11-2006, 16:32

So where would you put Jay-Z amongst the best?

I have seen on various shows and websites saying Jay-Z is the best rapper due to being in the rap game longer than other legends

Saying Jigga is the greatest is a fair opinion to anyone that thinks that.

I personally believe 2Pac was the greatest rapper.

- Work Rate
- Commercial appeal
- Street appeal
- Contraversy
- Raw when he needs to be
- An awesome flow which Is so underated
- A Delivery which was just unbelievable at times
- Perfection between poetry and rap
- Lyrically great too

He may not have been the, punchline or metaphor king but pac was just and still is amazing to listen too.

So many hit songs that were commercial hits that were soo real.

I would say Nas too but consistancy wise hes very Meh... Still amazing lyrically.

But most will say Rakim which is totally understandable

I wouldn't have him anywhere near the GOAT personally, for starters due to his unsavory obsession with stealing all things Notorious B.I.G.

A few Big L quotables too ;)

By the way has anyone heard Pac's new album " Pac's Life "

Got to say its a great breath of fresh air from Loyal to the game. Probably the best Pac release since " Better Dayz "

Songs to Watch on that album :

Dumpin ft Fatal and Papoose

Untouchable ft Krayzie Bone

Sleep ft Young Buck and Chamillionaire

Playa Cardz Right ft Keyshia Cole

As Soon as I get home ft Kadafi

^^^^^ Favourites off the album at the moment

Usul

23-11-2006, 19:01

in September of 2003, he received the coveted "Hip Hip Quotable" in the Source for a song entitled "Industrial Revolution" from his unreleased second album. Consequently since he didn't have a record deal or distribution at the time, Immortal Technique is the only rapper in history to have a Hip Hop Quotable while being unsigned.
Since when is rapping about real shit, boring? Technique speaks truth and is always on point, regardless of how marketable his voice or style may be. To me, that's far more valuable than having a good flow and a good voice, whilst rapping about retarded issues. Which in no way means that i agree with some of you. He has made plenty of good tracks and his voice and flow aren't as bad as you say they are.

Maybe, him being so boring and so awful, is the reason so many well known producers and rappers have made projects with him.

Next, you lot will be telling me that Stoupe and Vinnie Paz are shite because Vinnie raps like a madman.

Teekay

23-11-2006, 20:17

Saying Jigga is the greatest is a fair opinion to anyone that thinks that.

I personally believe 2Pac was the greatest rapper.

- Work Rate
- Commercial appeal
- Street appeal
- Contraversy
- Raw when he needs to be
- An awesome flow which Is so underated
- A Delivery which was just unbelievable at times
- Perfection between poetry and rap
- Lyrically great too

He may not have been the, punchline or metaphor king but pac was just and still is amazing to listen too.

So many hit songs that were commercial hits that were soo real.

I would say Nas too but consistancy wise hes very Meh... Still amazing lyrically.

But most will say Rakim which is totally understandable

I rate Biggie as GOAT, but it's just a matter of opinion between Big & Pac. It's not worth starting an argument about :laugh:

Anyone have any idea why will.i.am is producing every other track right now?

Rambo

23-11-2006, 20:28

Listening to Eminem's album The Re Up. It's ok so far but I am not to keen on Ca$his and Stat quo to be honest, their tracks on the album sound average

Teekay

23-11-2006, 20:42

AZ's new album was a positive suprise. Although his flow has always been damn smooth.

JoeyM

24-11-2006, 01:50

Since when is rapping about real shit, boring? Technique speaks truth and is always on point, regardless of how marketable his voice or style may be. To me, that's far more valuable than having a good flow and a good voice, whilst rapping about retarded issues. Which in no way means that i agree with some of you. He has made plenty of good tracks and his voice and flow aren't as bad as you say they are.

Maybe, him being so boring and so awful, is the reason so many well known producers and rappers have made projects with him.

Next, you lot will be telling me that Stoupe and Vinnie Paz are shite because Vinnie raps like a madman.

First off, no one has said he was awful, just boring. It's just that there are plenty of rappers who are just as good lyrically and have 10x the technical skill on the mic.

AZ's new album was a positive suprise. Although his flow has always been damn smooth.

Yeah, I thought it was pretty good. Production was spotty in some parts though, as it is with most AZ albums. If I was rich I'd fund an entire AZ-DJ Premier album with my on cash, it'd be worth it.

Have you heard the new Common song? It's called I Have A Dream, it's on allhiphop.com under the media section. will.i.am produced it, it's brilliant.

Level6

29-11-2006, 14:16

Hey guys if you lot like listening to mixtapes check this site out: www.getrightmusic.com

It's updated everyday.

BTW I just got the Kingdom Come album yesterday and i'm liking it so far, love the Beach Chair song.

Level6

06-12-2006, 17:30

Hey guys check this remix to Nas "The World Is Yours" sonf, this is the first time i heard and seen it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1_o-IFpnHg

I stumbled on it while looking for this scarface clip. lol

Rambo

07-12-2006, 17:01

We have a new best rapper alive ladies and gentlemen and it's not Jay-Z, it's Lil Wayne according to the new cover of Complex Magazine where he appears on the cover with Travis Barker (formerly of Blink 182).

Weezy F. Baby who once said that he was the: "Best rapper alive since the best rapper retired," is now retracting that statement since the God MC's return with 'Kingdom Come.'

"I'm better than him," Wayne said in the new issue of Complex magazine, which features the Cash Money Millionaire on the cover with Travis Barker. "I'm 24 years old. ... I'm 13 years deep with five albums and 10 million records sold."

Jay's boasts of being "Hip-Hop's savior" and how the genre needs an "event album" to keep it afloat, ruffled Birdman's son's feathers.

"I don't like what he's saying about how he had to come back because hip-hop's dead and we need him," Wayne said. "What the f--- do you mean? If anything it's reborn, so he's probably having a problem with that. You left on a good note, and all of the artists were saying, "Yo, this is Jay's house. He's the best." Now he comes back and still thinks it's his house... It's not your house anymore, and I'm better than you."

Wayne could've taken exception to Jay if he heard "Trouble" where many believe Hov may be dissing Wayne, even if it's reaching. Lines like: "blasphemous bastard get your faith restored/ your viewing your version of the lord, god/ MC lil ni**a, applaud, or/ Forever burn in the fire I spit at ya'll."

His allegiance with Dipset could've also changed his view on "Muhammad Hovi" as Jay calls himself. Could the "Show Me What You Got" remix been the starter of all this? Weezy went so hard at the track, and to many, outshined Hov on the cut.

Some would say: "Why bite the hand that feeds you?" If you go back, remember Hov stood up for Weezy, co-signed him, and even attempted to bring him to Def Jam. Will Hov respond? This could be viewed as motivation for Hov, as he celebrated his 37th birthday Monday and despite subpar reviews of 'Kingdom Come,' he will probably top the charts for the 2nd week in a row. Last week, he sold around 680,000 copies.

The argument begins: Kingdom Come vs. The Carter II...A battle of the Carter's young and old in the making? Possibly.

But, there are other MC's who Wayne may have to put the war paint on for as he is also said to have dissed the Clipse and Pharell in the issue as well. Strange, as he will be opening up in Chicago for the Clipse on December 9th. But, if you look into it, think of this Pusha T verse that came out a few months ago and interpret it yourself: "If he claim king (T.I.)/ and he claim best (Wayne)/ then I guess you can call me God!"

If there's any war capable of starting, its Clipse vs Wayne, as we all know Pusha and Malice aren't happy with people brushing them off as top lyricists in the South. Remember
these three and "What Happened to that Boy"? The past is the past I guess. You also got to remember the friendship Gillie Da Kid and the Clipse have always had. It wouldn't be shocking to see all 3 getting at the King of CMR.

After a slow year in rap, this along with some of the much publicized December releases from Jeezy, Ghost, and Nas may resurrect Hip-Hop from the grave.

:laugh:

Suprisingly Lil wayne is highly rated but to be honest I don't rate him at all and to say he is better then Hov is just ridiculous

AJ100

07-12-2006, 19:14

He's not too bad but is highly overrated. Not one of my favourites

wrigh2uk

08-12-2006, 09:56

Oh yeah Nas's Hip Hop is dead album has leaked

wrigh2uk

08-12-2006, 09:58

JoeyM

09-12-2006, 23:02

Teekay

10-12-2006, 11:02

I like Hip Hop Is Dead a lot, but I'll say more about it when I've given it more time :)

Ogopa Djz

10-12-2006, 17:39

anyone heard 44 4's by Jay-z yet??? Prolly one of the best verses ever.

Magpie4eva

10-12-2006, 17:42

Lil' Wayne? Best Rapper Alive? Better than Jay? :laugh: That's some funny shit.

I like Wayne but he is majorly overated. Wouldn't go to any of his concerts but I have a few of his songs.

Keyser Soze

12-12-2006, 23:01

mufcsean

12-12-2006, 23:08

Not into UK hip hop, and anybody know where i can get Hip hop is Dead from, everywhere i tried seems to be and advanced copy, and the songs arent all proper

Keyser Soze

12-12-2006, 23:18

Please comment on the one before, and this one:

My Life

I'm sitting on a chair, this pain I cannot bear, it's to much, no, leave me alone, fuckoff, I've had enough.
Nuff o this shit I can't, no i will not take it anymore, enough of this shit unlike you i dont suck on my momys tit, Ive been hit, been through shit I dont seem to fit.. in..
No leave me alone Ill fuck you up and unlike you, i have good friends, they'll back me up not like those mother fuckers that you call "friends"
New in town Damn i feel so down who's the man with the crown, oh there he is, surrounded by the girls he can afford pearls, that fucker, its worse here than there bad there but worse here more fear no one near ...
All alone no wait who's that, hi who are you no reply wanna die? Answer me, nuff o this stupidity you and me right here, right now bam pow i told you ill fuck u up... Fuckin dick youre a prick guess what ill stick up your ass, yeh my dick
gettin older, gettin more hated they're only using me im loosing it ..
I know what to do yeh ill kill myself, that way no one will have to see me, care about me fuck all of them im a g, i wont kill myself ill kill them.. what's become of my life`? sittin here tryin to make rhymes, they suck damn i cant wait to fuck...
Fuck love i never got my true love, she was popular unlike me she was liked i better take a hike wheres my bike it got stolen damn just my luck i cant walk its to far ill just steal a car there's one ill take it or ill fake it make it mine....
Ah fuck this shit I'll just go and die...

I'm sitting on a chair, this pain I cannot bear, it's to much, no, leave me alone, fuckoff, I've had enough.
Nuff o this shit I can't, no i will not take it anymore, enough of this shit unlike you i dont suck on my momys tit, Ive been hit, been through shit I dont seem to fit.. in..
No leave me alone Ill fuck you up and unlike you, i have good friends, they'll back me up not like those mother fuckers that you call "friends"
New in town Damn i feel so down who's the man with the crown, oh there he is, surrounded by the girls he can afford pearls, that fucker, its worse here than there bad there but worse here more fear no one near ...
All alone no wait who's that, hi who are you no reply wanna die? Answer me, nuff o this stupidity you and me right here, right now bam pow i told you ill fuck u up... Fuckin dick youre a prick guess what ill stick up your ass, yeh my dick
gettin older, gettin more hated they're only using me im loosing it ..
I know what to do yeh ill kill myself, that way no one will have to see me, care about me fuck all of them im a g, i wont kill myself ill kill them.. what's become of my life`? sittin here tryin to make rhymes, they suck damn i cant wait to fuck...
Fuck love i never got my true love, she was popular unlike me she was liked i better take a hike wheres my bike it got stolen damn just my luck i cant walk its to far ill just steal a car there's one ill take it or ill fake it make it mine....
Ah fuck this shit I'll just go and die...
:laugh::laugh::laugh: About 30 pages old but I just came across this.

yeh, poffe, u haz got ill skillz :unsure:

Magpie4eva

12-12-2006, 23:28

Thought I'd dig this thread back up... :happy:

Anyone rating UK Hip Hop? It's been pretty big this year, there's so many heavy mix-tapes and albums released. Lowkey, Doc Brown, Poisonous Poets, Rhyme Asylum, Kyza, Plan B, Klashnekoff, Proffessor Green; there's atleast a handful of artists ready to take UK Hip Hop to the next level, and I think most of these are capable of doing this.

Not excatly the biggest fan but Plan B is amazing. But apart from Plan B and Kano, I don't really rate UK Hip-hop.

But if you are into that music, check out a guy who just left Year 11 in my school.

http://www.myspace.com/sixbflf

mufcsean

12-12-2006, 23:38

Not into UK hip hop, and anybody know where i can get Hip hop is Dead from, everywhere i tried seems to be and advanced copy, and the songs arent all proper

Anybody ???????????????

Magpie4eva

12-12-2006, 23:44

Yeah I'll just PM you ;)

Viperized

13-12-2006, 00:38

Just get bittorrent...

It's the simplest method of getting legit tracks.

Keyser Soze

13-12-2006, 01:04

Not excatly the biggest fan but Plan B is amazing. But apart from Plan B and Kano, I don't really rate UK Hip-hop.

But if you are into that music, check out a guy who just left Year 11 in my school.

http://www.myspace.com/sixbflf
Maybe you "don't really rate UK Hip-hop" because you don't know what it is. :mellow: Kano's a grime MC, and so is that guy on MySpace.

Magpie4eva

13-12-2006, 17:21

Fair enough, I thought they were the same genre. Grime is what everyone at my school is into grime and it bugs the shit out of me.

Rambo

13-12-2006, 17:25

Sway is the shit!

Has anyone heard of a UK rapper called Skinny man? this guy is highly rated

Keyser Soze

13-12-2006, 17:37

Sway's quality. I'd definately reccommend "This is my Demo" for those who haven't got it.

And yeah shit, I forgot Skinnyman aswell. His album, Council Estate Of Mind, was pretty amazing. "Fuck the Hook" is a great track. He's been around for a while and adapted to the new style/wave of UK Hip-Hop. Come to think of it, there's a lot of UK rappers capable of competing with America now, man.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/961/kttg3zf0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^^
One of the best mix-tapes I've ever heard, Key To The Game (1, 2 and 3), from Lowkey.

wrigh2uk

13-12-2006, 17:49

Hip Hop Is Dead is pretty good, not the classic I'm sure everyone was hoping for, but some really good songs, mixed in with some decent ones. The only bad track is Who Killed It. I'd like to ask Nas what he was thinking when he thought it'd be a good idea to rap like a 50s era gangster would. As an album it's miles better than Kingdom Come.

Its meant to be an old style " Who Did it" theme its a really good idea. I like the track but its one of those hit or miss tracks. Your going to love it or hate it

wrigh2uk

13-12-2006, 17:53

Sway is the shit!

Has anyone heard of a UK rapper called Skinny man? this guy is highly rated

Yes he reminds me of Immortal Technique's analogy.. Because hes got the principles right but the guys as boring as hell to listen too

mufcsean

13-12-2006, 17:56

Immortal Technique is really good, dance with the devil is my favourite

wrigh2uk

13-12-2006, 18:01

^^ Hes good but if you listen to his albums straight you get bored.. Talks the truth but hes not entertaining

Rambo

13-12-2006, 18:08

Yes he reminds me of Immortal Technique's analogy.. Because hes got the principles right but the guys as boring as hell to listen too

I see, well I haven't listened to him but I have heard nothing but good things about him. Jurrasic 5 seem to think he is a good rapper. I also heard he beat Papoose in a clash.

Magpie4eva

14-12-2006, 22:29

Anyone heard Bow-Wow's new album? It's not bad. PM me if you want a link.

nikos24

15-12-2006, 00:25

Busta Ryhmes or 50 cent?

mufcsean

15-12-2006, 00:27

OOO toughie, magpie check your pm's i asked about that password

Hunter

15-12-2006, 08:03

Busta Ryhmes or 50 cent?

Busta. As for Bow Wow's new album, I think I'll pass, especially with all the bullshit he's been saying lately. e.g. "I'm going to clean this game up and get rid of all the trash rappers..."

Singh

15-12-2006, 15:41

Bow wow now a blood, so he know reckons he can take shots at the likes of Jigga.

Syles P album is poor, long wait for a crap album.

calculus

15-12-2006, 16:45

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1723774

Dunno if its been posted before but check it anyways!

calculus

15-12-2006, 16:49

[Nas - First Verse]
look here see, pretty mike shanked two face al
over some gal
find the body dead in the aisles
death by strangulation, microphone cord a dirty broad
guess theyll never play it again Sam
damn that was my jam
now she's on the lamb
she made it out wit 200 grand
what a scam
while these two compete on who's the star of the show
golden legs there makes off wit the doe
I read the paper there wit joe da butcher
he said "one glance is all it took ya, she's a real looker
they say her old mans a bootlegger
transporting in any weather and at this rate we'll never get her"
fellas think its time to call it a night
all this talk of this mystery dames gettin me tight
thought I saw her in my eyesight, right
hate to spoil the party
what are you guys havin? the same?
waiter another round for the gang
its strange how I always felt outta place
joe da butchers my ace, but in comes freckle face
so I said see you later
fore hurt him and his two ugly thumb breakers
met them in louisiana wrestling gators
and any idiot can tell there involved wit the caper
so I pulled the revolver on my waist up
between the patrol car and the grey truck behind the streetlamp was a silouhette
white gloves and a real long cigarette
whattya ya know all this time she's got me in her scope
she spoke says " the devils got you guys be the throat
your conspiracy theories won't work without evidence
that's the reason why eric b is not president"

ya see?

[Nas - Second Verse]
look here see, I know you got soul your trying to hide it
how did you kill a man out in cypress?
one eyed charlie
he only hangs with the criminal minded
says you guys did it doggystyle is he lyin?
she says " walk this way ill tell you a childrens story
we hit the bodega got her a few 40s
we jumped in my ride
we drove and she cried
twist off the cap there and opened her mouth wide
swallowed it
whole bottles half empty
drinks like a fish, now she's past tipsy
truth came out as we got to her suave house
chopped and screwed her mouth and sat me on the couch
I said its gettin late cmon give it to me straight
who's ya sponsor lady?
she says bill gates
whattya born 77? 78?
she says "nah it goes way to an earlier date, slave times
claims the slaves said rhymes but she fell in love wit some fella named clive
who?
clive campbell from sedgwick ave, the bronx
now she shows me the cash
I said who's clive? don't play wit me skirt!
she said clive campbell.....he's kool herc

Ahaaa Ahaaaaa

[Nas Outro]
listen up sweetheart, now we gettin somewhere
as she's talkin she starts vanishing in thin air
but before she drops the money bag on the floor and died
she said if you really love me, ill come back alive

-----
SYNOPSIS

now lets get some things straight since its a story there's characters, setting and plot

the plot is who killed hip-hop?

the setting is 1930s the golden era; the manifestation of jazz, mobsters, bootlegging and organized crime

the characters are nas the detective and his partner joe da butcher

freckle face who is joe da butchers connection to the underworld

and hip-hop who is the girl in the story a.k.a. the gal

now what happens is pretty mike and two face al kill each other and the gal runs off with the money

pretty mike and two face al are B.I.G. & Tupac and its a psuedonym for hip-hop maximizing its commercialism which is why the gal runs off with the money

the murder of two face al is directly referencing tupac dying first

now this all occured at some club where the classic jams go on sung by the gal

that is why nas says damn that was my jam because she will never be singing there again

the setting is further portrayed through the uses of microphone cord as the murder weapon and the fact the body was found in the aisle

now joe da butches represent the average hip-hop listener

his name simply breaks down to joe a.k.a. the average joe schmo and da butcher part is a reference to "chewing the fat" which means just kicking simple convo chillin

now after joe mentions to nas that he realizes he's falling for her nas hits the bar a lil aggitated

he realizes its the same scene at the bar but says f*ck it and drinks are on him

that represent nas going commercial and he admits it but tries to counteract that by saying "but I always felt outta place" which means he sold out but still puts out real hip-hop

the symbolism in the bar scene is that joe the da butcher is nas partner but his southern connects (freckle face and company) are involved wit this crime

joe is none the wiser a.k.a. the average listener supports southern music regardless of all this south trash talk (jeezy,ludacris,lil jon,rick ross)

nas gets a lil ticked off and heads outside and realizes the gal has been trailin him the whole time

that's basically saying that even though he didn't kno it hip-hop HAS been followin him for a while

next thing she steps out the shadow and he says "all this time she had me in her scope"

in her scope = interscope
nas starts the story saying "death by strangulation" but death = def

basically he was saying that def jam started the "killing" (when it commercialized hip-hop) and now interscope
runs it

at this point he is saying the crackers took control of the art hence the reference to conspiracy theorys behind this whodunit

"that's why eric b is not president" pretty much sums it up

so def jam chokeholded the game and then universal picked it up

at this point nas has some evidence so he starts interrogating the broad

"I know you have soul quit tryin to hide it" is obviously saying that hip-hop has soul but its obscured by the commercialism

nas uses the interrogation wisely by bringing up cypress hill and snoop dogg referencing the classics just flippin the phrases

if you can't figure it out then your pretty f*ckin stupid

she (hip-hop) supposedly killed a man in cypress which is a project in brooklyn

cypress hill how I could just kill a man

and one eyed charlie (krs-one) who only hangs with the criminal minded (bdp) said they did it doggystyle (snoop dogg) but obviously referencing sex

at this point she puts everything in perspective for nas IN ORDER because nas was out of chronological order by mentioning 92 then 91 then 88

so she begins by asking him to "walk this way" (run dmc) and she will tell him a childrens story (slick rick)

this is starting out raw hip-hop in the 80s

"got her a few 40s" is now referencing the west coast era domination as well hoppin in the "ride"

at this point hip-hop started losing "it" because it was being bombarded by commercial gangsterism and losing its origins

the getting tipsy part refers to hip-hop totally losing control and becoming almost completely pop (the bad boy era)

"as we got to her suave house chopped and screwed her mouth" is now moving on to the south moving on in at the close of the shiny suit era and is cleverly flipped to nas getting oral sex by hip-hop he finally gave in

after he f*cks her she spills the beans and tells him that bill gates sponsored her to destroy hip-hop through means of downloading and extreme piracy

remember hip-hops father was a bootlegger and now her sponsor is one of the largest helpers in the creation of bootlegging

at this point she just breaks down and admits she is IMMORTAL because no regular human could be alive in BOTH slave times AND the 1930s

she says she came from that era and had many lovers since but her one true love was kool herc (pioneer of hip-hop, some say sole creator)

but then she obviously f*cked him over and fell to the pressure of the root of all evil, money (the 200 grand) (by the way 200 grnd in 1930 is worth MILLIONS)

at this point the gig is up and she begins to fade away magically but lets nas know its his inner spirit that really keeps hip-hop alive

she really didn't need the money in the end

hope yall learned something

Magpie4eva

15-12-2006, 17:32

I just got the Game's album, it's OK, but not as good as I thought.

Eminems new album is good.

pesBIGfan

16-12-2006, 17:53

You must have "Snoop Dogg-Tha Blue Carpet Treatment" its the best rap album for me now :) :) :)

nath_scfc

16-12-2006, 18:00

Sway's quality. I'd definately reccommend "This is my Demo" for those who haven't got it.

And yeah shit, I forgot Skinnyman aswell. His album, Council Estate Of Mind, was pretty amazing. "Fuck the Hook" is a great track. He's been around for a while and adapted to the new style/wave of UK Hip-Hop. Come to think of it, there's a lot of UK rappers capable of competing with America now, man.

Love that track, been listeening to it quite a lot just lately.

ATH10

21-12-2006, 22:49

Check these out I doubt you will have heard these before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnl679pGyB0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VJnngsZl0g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17z_UR0EqSY

What do you think?

Keyser Soze

22-12-2006, 02:32

They're all Grime, not Hip Hop.

Ogopa Djz

22-12-2006, 16:07

Everybody be on the lookout for

Pharoahe Monche- Desire Album
Styles P- Time is Money Album

I got the advance's and there prolly the best albums of the year.

Rambo

23-12-2006, 21:06

If you didn't know Sway won a BET Hip-Hop Award for "Best UK Hip-Hop Act". He beat Black Twang, Plan B, Dizzee Rascal and Kano. Hopefully this will get him noticed in America and make a few Collaborations with US artists. He did a remix to 'Up your Speed' with Chamillionaire.

pesBIGfan

28-12-2006, 10:50

:cool:Young Jeezy - The Inspiration:cool:

wrigh2uk

30-12-2006, 16:54

After throughly listenin to Nas's album for the last month i can happily say its the best rap album of 2006.

Best Nas album since Illmatic

The album itself is recieving 4 or 5 star rating..

JoeyM

01-01-2007, 16:43

FREE ALBUM!

Go to www.rappcats.com to legally download the Liberation album by Madlib and Talib Kweli

PEM

05-01-2007, 00:50

cashis- lets ride

good beat to it

Teekay

05-01-2007, 08:37

After throughly listenin to Nas's album for the last month i can happily say its the best rap album of 2006.

Best Nas album since Illmatic

The album itself is recieving 4 or 5 star rating..

I'm not sure if I liked God's Son more.

Food & Liquor is the best hip-hop album for me this year. Nas's is among the best of course.

And I almost forgot to add that the new Clipse album is suprisingly good. Pharrell has got his shit together again with some of the tracks. Trill & Mr. Me Too would be number one singles if they'd been promoted better.

wrigh2uk

05-01-2007, 21:37

here are the sound scan figures for the urban albums : Jan 03 , i will try and post these when i can...

1 Omarion 21 119(Sold since last soundscan figures),392 999 1,053 120,463(total sold)
2 Akon Konvicted 112,275 -51 227,245 1,158,031
3 Dreamgirls Soundtrack 104,366 -17 125,272 385,638
4 Nas Hip Hop Is Dead 101,103 -71 354,524 456,983
5 Young Jeezy Inspiration: Thug 91,774 -50 184,872 630,199
7 Eminem Presents: Re-up 83,951 -45 152,371 697,311
8 Timberlake*justin Futuresex 82,669 -64 229,836 2,377,127
9 Ciara Evolution 79,050 -64 219,945 802,435
12 Beyonce B'day 66,958 -69 212,932 2,010,311
14 Stefani*gwen Sweet Escape 66,488 -69 211,609 670,295
17 Fergie Dutchess 62,988 -68 198,106 1,206,661
21 Jay-z Kingdom Come 60,932 -55 135,979 1,206,799
23 Bow Wow Price Of Fame 57,063 -78 261,569 319,011
26 Snoop Dogg Blue Carpet 49,847 -49 97,722 636,821
27 Blige*mary J. Reflections: A 49,290 -68 155,701 376,698
29 Furtado*nelly Loose 45,155 -51 91,657 1,142,768
35 Game Doctor's Advocate 40,401 -33 60,201 751,674
37 Ludacris Release Therapy 38,107 -43 67,216 976,954
38 Legend*john Once Again 37,989 -57 88,808 799,953
40 Mayer*john Continuum 37,659 -64 104,803 1,189,721
41 Birdman & Lil' Wayne Like Father 34,790 -27 47,369 502,041
48 Aguilera*christina Back 31,284 -70 102,768 1,260,330
53 Trick Daddy Back By Thug Demand 29,144 -66 86,700 116,415
56 Tyrese Alter Ego 28,452 -49 55,961 200,494
59 Pussycat Dolls Pcd 26,721 -58 63,282 2,496,521
62 Thicke*robin Evolution Of Robin 24,043 -38 38,761 242,709
66 Fantasia Fantasia 22,252 -64 61,725 217,138
68 Tupac Pac's Life 21,844 -50 43,682 345,426
69 Lil Scrappy Bred 2 Die Born 2 Live 21,713 -34 33,043 170,508
80 Jones*jim Hustler's P.o.m.e 18,704 -30 26,876 284,939
83 Dj Clue Professional 3 16,863 -69 54,935 71,982
86 Cherish Unappreciated 16,552 -54 35,727 470,348
89 Danity Kane Danity Kane 15,949 -59 38,947 855,511
90 Diddy Press Play 15,780 -47 29,623 472,232
96 Jibbs Jibbs Feat. Jibbs 14,956 -43 26,042 196,482
98 Brown*chris Chris Brown 14,838 -63 39,665 1,776,523
103 Gnarls Barkley St. Elsewhere 14,186 -52 29,750 1,160,634
105 Styles P Time Is Money 14,006 -69 45,730 60,099
116 Mcknight*brian Ten 12,974 -56 29,329 133,218
133 Clipse Hell Hath No Fury 11,129 -25 14,872 143,241
138 Project Pat Crook By Da Book 10,627 -31 15,397 73,969
140 Ying Yang Twins Chemically 10,550 -30 15,055 90,016
143 N.w.a. Best Of N.w.a. 10,354 999 127 10,481
145 Ross*rick Port Of Miami 10,257 -20 12,839 682,041
146 Matisyahu No Place To Be 10,212 999 363 10,575
147 Ghostface Killah More Fish 10,135 -47 19,189 65,369
151 Mos Def Tru3 Magic 9,952 816 1,087 11,044
154 Rihanna Girl Like Me 9,743 -45 17,674 1,115,989
161 Chingy Hoodstar 9,314 -38 15,076 279,162
164 Eminem Curtain Call 9,108 -46 16,825 2,645,329
166 Richie*lionel Coming Home 9,002 -69 28,899 360,359
169 Blige*mary J. Breakthrough 8,856 -60 22,238 2,718,148
174 T.i. King 8,729 -28 12,126 1,593,362
175 Pitbull El Mariel 8,690 -31 12,558 141,573
180 Fat Joe Me Myself & I 8,438 -30 11,973 134,422
187 Fiasco*lupe Lupe Fiasco's Food 8,115 -39 13,288 255,183
189 Lil Boosie Bad Azz 8,039 -22 10,303 126,313
190 Omar*don King Of Kings 7,962 -14 9,271 339,738
199 Yung Joc New Joc City 7,709 -39 12,559 871,379

As you can see Alot of good artist are bombing badly

Lupe has shifted less than 300 000
Mos Def
Clipse too :(

Goood too seee nas is doing well though :cool:

JoeyM

05-01-2007, 22:58

Mos Def's new album is garbage anyway, hopefully he'll get his act together.

Rambo

05-01-2007, 23:13

Ghostface 147 :mellow:

wrigh2uk

05-01-2007, 23:13

Mos Def's new album is garbage anyway, hopefully he'll get his act together.

Hey Joey heres a new Common track, produced by Will.I.Am ... Best track i've heard in awhile, think its off his new album.

Believe me when I say this track will win him another grammy ;)

http://download.yousendit.com/997364E84E1F0208

JoeyM

05-01-2007, 23:24

Thanks, I've streamed it before, but never been able to find a download. Fantastic song, it's on the Dreamwriters soundtrack iirc, may be on his new album also.

Surprised that Pac still has the selling power he does, considering the amount of albums released under his name. And John Mayer is urban:shocking: ? 300k is a decent amount for Lupe, I never really expected it to go platinum considering apart from Kick Push most of his other singles weren't to popular. At least he didn't do a Rhymefest and barely sell 15k.

Level6

16-01-2007, 15:25

And I almost forgot to add that the new Clipse album is suprisingly good. Pharrell has got his shit together again with some of the tracks. Trill & Mr. Me Too would be number one singles if they'd been promoted better.
Mate i have to agree with you!

I've been listening to that album since the month it came out. My favourite tracks on there Nightmares, Momma i'm so sorry, Hello new world and Ride around shining. The other tracks are good as well!

Gun_Runner

16-01-2007, 16:50

I'm not feelin Nas' album as much as I have done with other albums of his..dunno why though coz it's getting good reviews everywhere. Anyone else like the 2Pac song Dumpin?

calculus

17-01-2007, 18:26

Teekay

17-01-2007, 20:22

Hunter

17-01-2007, 21:40

Young Jeezy is selling a nice load. Well the album has a few good singles so the sales aren't that surprising.

Shame that two of the best albums of the year byLupe & Clipse haven't done as well. But you cannot measure everything on money.

Numbers wise, Jeezy is one of the best, but that's only because he still has a connection with both the street and mainstream.

I didn't think the Clipse' album was all that great, had more potential.

Teekay

18-01-2007, 17:19

Numbers wise, Jeezy is one of the best, but that's only because he still has a connection with both the street and mainstream.

I didn't think the Clipse' album was all that great, had more potential.

Yeah you're absolutely right about Jeezy. The new album has it's highlights as I said before, 3Am, I Luv It and Bury Me A G are all great, but I don't like the fact it's more or less similar to his debut in a lot of ways.

The Clipse album is probably going to divide people a lot, myself I love it, but the production might irritate some people.

This year I'm really looking forward to Common's new album, Finding Forever. Be is one of my favourite hip-hop records from the 00's. The first single is very promising too. That's why Common is my pick for 2007.

Lupe's new album The Cool has a lot to live up to, I just hope he can live up to the expectations.

Lil' Wayne's Tha Carter III is going to have some entertaining moments, and Ghostface & Mf Doom (Swift & Changeable) can be something superb.

Saigon is finally going to put out his proper debut this year, The Greatest Story Never Told and Little Brother (The Getback) is always an interesting group. Devin The Dude's Waitin' To Inhale could be great too. Talib Kweli's new one is a bit of a question mark for me to be honest.

The brand new albums from the hip-hop greats Raekwon & Rakim will be very interesting, I just hope these guys can keep up the game.

Kanye's Graduation is going to have a hard time trying to better his first two albums, but it's definitely a one to wait for in 2007.

masterleo16

20-02-2007, 15:03

so is anyone here who is looking forward in getting Dr Dre new album Detox which i think it coming out somewere in September . i think his album would be one of the best album. Wat do you think?

Rambo

20-02-2007, 15:47

I've been waiting 2/3 years for the album to drop, it better be worth the wait.

I hear Sway's album is being released next week, definatly going to get that.

pesBIGfan

21-02-2007, 13:18

J.R. Writer - Writer's Block 4:cool:

wrigh2uk

22-02-2007, 15:37

so is anyone here who is looking forward in getting Dr Dre new album Detox which i think it coming out somewere in September . i think his album would be one of the best album. Wat do you think?

Detox will never live upto the hype, its impossible with all the push backs, the big stars shouting it out constantly it will never live upto the hype.

It will be good though don't get me wrong

As for J.R Pt 4 its nice but i rate number 2 his best effort easily.

Davinche

22-02-2007, 22:02

Teekay

23-02-2007, 09:48

Anyone notice the extreme drought of hip hop that is 07'. Not one noteworthy album is out yet even rock has already got a few 'decent' (If you like that type of music) stuff out.

I agree, the quality of hip-hop in 2007 has been pretty shocking.

There should be a lot of interesting albums on the way though.

Viperized

25-02-2007, 01:05

Yeah there seems to be a number of albums coming out in 07, such as ones from Lupe Fiasco, Chamillionaire, Dr. Dre, T.I., Rakim, and more.

By the way, you can download Mixtape Messiah 2 by Chamillionaire from here, absolutely free:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=S5ODLBA8

Yes, its legal. It was released on his website, but it seems to be down.

calculus

25-02-2007, 01:12

Anyone notice the extreme drought of hip hop that is 07'. Not one noteworthy album is out yet even rock has already got a few 'decent' (If you like that type of music) stuff out.

But last year my favourite album has to be Clipse, Hell Hath No Fury. Lyrically they are crazy and I think pharrell did a really good job with the beats especially against recent work. I don't usually buy actual cd's but I decided to purchase their one after the poor album sales. Trill and keys open doors are out of this world too.

I agree, the quality of hip-hop in 2007 has been pretty shocking.

There should be a lot of interesting albums on the way though.

Yeah there seems to be a number of albums coming out in 07, such as ones from Lupe Fiasco, Chamillionaire, Dr. Dre, T.I., Rakim, and more.

By the way, you can download Mixtape Messiah 2 by Chamillionaire from here, absolutely free:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=S5ODLBA8

Yes, its legal. It was released on his website, but it seems to be down.

Boys, Boys, Boys have you not heard? :no:

Hip Hop is dead! For more information ask Nas!

Keyser Soze

25-02-2007, 01:14

Boys, Boys, Boys have you not heard? :no:

Hip Hop is dead! For more information ask Nas!
Hip Hop's not dead, just emmigrated. For more information, ask Lowkey.

calculus

25-02-2007, 01:22

Hip Hop's not dead, just emmigrated. For more information, ask Lowkey.

Have you seen this? Aries Spears!
http://emuse.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/6450

And Hip Hop has stayed very core UK side!

It just got tag teamed in the US by 50 and the South! :laugh:

JoeyM

25-02-2007, 01:23

I pray every night that OB4CL II will be finally released this year.

Keyser Soze

25-02-2007, 01:26

Have you seen this? Aries Spears!
http://emuse.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/6450

Haven't clicked the link, but that's scary. I was just about to post a youtube video of Aries Spears. His Jay-Z impression is fucking exact, I swear.

calculus

25-02-2007, 01:30

Haven't clicked the link, but that's scary. I was just about to post a youtube video of Aries Spears. His Jay-Z impression is fucking exact, I swear.

LoL yeah it's the same video and yeah Jay-Z is super duper :shocking: I think I have posted the video before but hey I think it is worthy!

Keyser Soze

25-02-2007, 01:34

DMX is pretty spot on aswell. The guy used to be on Def Jam.

Seriously though, if anyone wants to get into some UK Hip Hop give me a PM or something. Taking over.

calculus

25-02-2007, 01:38

DMX is pretty spot on aswell. The guy used to be on Def Jam.

Seriously though, if anyone wants to get into some UK Hip Hop give me a PM or something. Taking over.

I would but I can't be bothered too much now! Though I will probably hunt down Skinny man's council estate of mind album that was right on the money from what I heard!

Teekay

25-02-2007, 11:00

I pray every night that OB4CL II will be finally released this year.

It should be coming out in 2007, but then again so should Detox :laugh:

wrigh2uk

25-02-2007, 11:31

Still waiting on Joe Buden - The Growth =(

But I got a couple of US sources saying he got dropped from Def Jam awhile ago, just hasn't been made public.

wrigh2uk

28-02-2007, 16:52

Bobby Valentino - Special Occasion

Rite now i'm not sure if I'm bumping the retail or advance but regardless its very nice man. I really do like the guy and the more I listen to this album it grows badly.. will report back with a proper review

JoeyM

02-03-2007, 19:14

Consequence's new album Don't Quit Your Day Job leaked, it's pretty good. Well worth a listen

Rambo

30-03-2007, 16:06

Greatest Hip-Hop Group of all time
1. Run-DMC
2. NWA
3. Public Enemy
4. Outkast
5. Wu-Tang Clan
6. A Tribe Called Quest
7. EPMD
8. Salt 'N Pepa
9. Fugees
10. UGK

Came across this list on MTV, this list will likely cause some debate. I'm suprised Bone Thugs or the Beastie Boys weren't added to the list.

JoeyM

30-03-2007, 20:35

Run DMC are far too high. A safe and respecable choice but they're nowhere near the top. It's a bit ridiculous that The Fugees, Salt N' Pepa, and EPMD, as important as they are to hip hop, made it on to the list ahead of Gang Starr and The Roots.

Calzone

30-03-2007, 20:36

the fugees are awesome

wrigh2uk

07-04-2007, 19:16

The Fugees are Top 5 atleast.... But when the number #1 group of all time isn't even on the list its just typically MTV showing there vast knowledge of hip hop once again, surprised they didn't put G-Unit up there.

Teekay

08-04-2007, 11:51

The Fugees are Top 5 atleast.... But when the number #1 group of all time isn't even on the list

Gang Starr ??

And they missed De La Soul too? :angry:

wrigh2uk

08-04-2007, 13:13

Gang Starr ??

And they missed De La Soul too? :angry:

Roots IMO, but I wouldn't argue if it was Gang Starr up there.

Keyser Soze

13-04-2007, 19:11

New World Order consists of Lowkey (Poisonous Poets) and Logic (Poverty Driven Children). Sorry if you are a Hip Hop fan and don't appreciate what they're trying to do then you're just ignorant or stupid.

UK Hip Hop is making moves, but this type of thing is on a whole different level.

iqOgxUWw_PQ&eurl

The myspace;
http://www.myspace.com/newworldorder3000

Lowkeys;
http://www.myspace.com/lowkeyuk
Logic's;
http://www.myspace.com/chosenlogic

calculus

13-04-2007, 21:20

If you love hip-hop then listen to Choicefm from 10 o'clock tonight, Poet Laureate Infinity is going to be played on air. A track by Canibus 1000 bars of interchangeable rhymes probably the most creative thing ever done in rap if you can't catch the show heres the site ---> www.poetlaureateinfinity.com

The greatest lyricist of all time!

Lami

13-04-2007, 21:38

You all should start listening to Papoose. I've got most his mixtapes and seriously the dude is impressing with his style. Check him out.

calculus

16-04-2007, 04:17

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CISn2iCo94w&mode=related&search=

Level6

25-04-2007, 12:20

Here are all the unreleased songs Wu-Tang put out on their website to download http://www.wutang-corp.com/media/downloads.php

AgentZero

11-05-2007, 01:02

BUMP!!....listenin to J5 brilliant stuff bring me back to my high school days

Gun_Runner

11-05-2007, 17:32

just got a email thing...giving the release date and videos from 50 Cent's new album called "Curtis" . release is sometime next month I think.

1st single is called "Straight To The Bank"

Singh

12-05-2007, 00:45

Yep thats the one straight to the bank.....also he put out another track called fully loaded clip, sounded average to me.

I dont think Curtis is going to beat Get Rich Or Die Tryin, sales wise or quality wise.

wrigh2uk

12-05-2007, 01:03

To be honest haven't listen to alot of hip hop for awhile. Waiting on Commons album and a few others, there too much bullshit these days to shift through to find good music in hip hop.

Lami

12-05-2007, 09:33

I heard Common's album "Be" was given 5 mics according to the radio but didn't quite sell much. Haven't heard it myself though it was released in 2005. I'll check it out. Any one listened to this album?

wrigh2uk

12-05-2007, 13:22

Be was an amzing album, im not surprised it didn't sell alot it had little promotion and commons not really popular amoung the new wave of hip hop fans.

Infact im gonna listen to that album when I get home, haven't listened to it for awhile

Goo and Chi City were two amazing tracks

Lami

12-05-2007, 14:32

Teekay

12-05-2007, 15:15

It's a superb album, and it sounds even better in the summer!

Hunter

12-05-2007, 15:31

just got a email thing...giving the release date and videos from 50 Cent's new album called "Curtis" . release is sometime next month I think.

1st single is called "Straight To The Bank"

Straight To The Bank
Fully Loaded Clip
Amusement Park

All terrible songs to be honest, pretty poor, especially considering he's trying to promote his upcoming album. By the sounds of things, it may exceed The Massacre's disaster.

On another note, DJ Jazzy Jeff's new album was released recently, The Return of the Magnificant. I've only heard a couple of songs, but it sounds very good so far. If anyone is interested, just check his MySpace for the songs.

Lami

12-05-2007, 15:35

Sure thing. Last i heard anything from jazzy jeff was way back when he was around Fresh Prince.

Gun_Runner

12-05-2007, 17:42

wrigh2uk

12-05-2007, 18:11

it annoys me that a lot of people on this site seem to think that 50 Cent, The Game etc. aren't doing Hip-Hop simply because they talk about money, cars etc. Fair enough if you don't like it and prefer to be 'preached' to during a rap song.

If you can honestly tell me 50 is doing hip hop and back it up then I will give you more credit in future.

50 is doing everything rite now, in the name of money, NOT Hip Hop

Nas give us " Hip Hop is Dead " because Hip Hop needed it
Jay-z Came through because Hip Hop wanted it and needed it

HIP HOP does not need another 50 cent album nor do we want.

However i have nothing against the Game

JoeyM

12-05-2007, 18:16

Barry

12-05-2007, 18:32

Straight To The Bank
Fully Loaded Clip
Amusement Park

All terrible songs to be honest, pretty poor, especially considering he's trying to promote his upcoming album. By the sounds of things, it may exceed The Massacre's disaster.

On another note, DJ Jazzy Jeff's new album was released recently, The Return of the Magnificant. I've only heard a couple of songs, but it sounds very good so far. If anyone is interested, just check his MySpace for the songs.

Every time I hear 50 its like he has got some serious sand in his vagina. I mean like sandcastle amounts. Maybe it's just how the man sounds au naturel. Definitely going to take a look at the Jazzy Jeff thing.

The Messiah

12-05-2007, 18:32

Hunter

12-05-2007, 18:54

it annoys me that a lot of people on this site seem to think that 50 Cent, The Game etc. aren't doing Hip-Hop simply because they talk about money, cars etc. Fair enough if you don't like it and prefer to be 'preached' to during a rap song.

50 Cent isn't really doing Hip Hop, that is the thing. He's doing Rap, and he's not doing it very well. He fell off so badly following the success of Get Rich Or Die Tryin'. These types of artists are the ones who feel an album is rated purely on record sales and chart positions as opposed to the actual quality of the music produced. The Massacre was basically a complete filler, with a mixture of Pop songs and Gangsta songs which fell flat on their arse. Game has been showing more emotion in his songs, plus his mixtapes over the last couple of years have been solid.

It isn't necessarily the fact these artists talk about cars, money, women, it is the manner in which they do this. Take Big L for an absolute perfect example, he constantly talked about "bitches, robbing and guns". However, he did this with incredible ability and creativity making every song completely different. This kept his music totally refreshing, and plus the fact he was unbeliveably gifted on the mic. Whereas 50 Cent in this instance, brings nothing really refreshing nor new to the table. This means his music is just becoming dull over time.

"Preaching" as you call it obviously doesn't define a good song, smart lyrics and a great flow do, as well as many other aspects. If you want to just take no notice of the lyrics, then listen to instrumentals instead constantly.

wrigh2uk

12-05-2007, 19:22

50 Cent isn't really doing Hip Hop, that is the thing. He's doing Rap, and he's not doing it very well. He fell off so badly following the success of Get Rich Or Die Tryin'. These types of artists are the ones who feel an album is rated purely on record sales and chart positions as opposed to the actual quality of the music produced. The Massacre was basically a complete filler, with a mixture of Pop songs and Gangsta songs which fell flat on their arse. Game has been showing more emotion in his songs, plus his mixtapes over the last couple of years have been solid.

It isn't necessarily the fact these artists talk about cars, money, women, it is the manner in which they do this. Take Big L for an absolute perfect example, he constantly talked about "bitches, robbing and guns". However, he did this with incredible ability and creativity making every song completely different. This kept his music totally refreshing, and plus the fact he was unbeliveably gifted on the mic. Whereas 50 Cent in this instance, brings nothing really refreshing nor new to the table. This means his music is just becoming dull over time.

"Preaching" as you call it obviously doesn't define a good song, smart lyrics and a great flow do, as well as many other aspects. If you want to just take no notice of the lyrics, then listen to instrumentals instead constantly.

I've been waiting for somone to write that out, my wrist been hurting from football.

Anywhoo thats about the jist of things,

Whats been his downfall aswell.... hes been making his own beats and only eminem can make terrible beats and still sell like hell.

TheAlchemist

12-05-2007, 20:20

50 Cent isn't really doing Hip Hop, that is the thing. He's doing Rap

:unsure:

How can that be?

Rap is an element of Hip Hop.

:unsure:

wrigh2uk

12-05-2007, 20:42

:unsure:

How can that be?

Rap is an element of Hip Hop.

:unsure:

Let me educate :

Hip Hop a lifestyle

Rapping is somthing you do

" KRS^^ (I think) "

TheAlchemist

12-05-2007, 21:14

Let me educate :

Hip Hop a lifestyle

Rapping is somthing you do

" KRS^^ (I think) "

Exactly. I think.

wrigh2uk

12-05-2007, 21:41

Noo I mean it eas either KRS or Rakim who said that, pretty sure is was KRS though

Hip Hop is somthing you breath it you truely loved it you wouldn't rape it like 50 has done.

Davinche

12-05-2007, 22:33

07 Rap, the amount and the quality has just been abysmal
Best thing so far Has been Prodigy's Return of The Mac. The delays though have also been just annoying, when is Raewkow going to drop?

Also Hip Hop "Bloggers" and "Journalists" have made the list of the top 25 albums of all time. Its supposed to be made by the most informed of the people on the internet available.

Jay-Z, The Blueprint
"A lot of people will argue that Reasonable Doubt is Jay's best. Reasonable Doubt was too derivative for my taste. But on The Blueprint Jay was at his most obnoxious, playful and Machiavellian i.e. his best. It's the sound of a man consciously putting the genre on his back and bum rushing the mountain top." - Angry Citizen

24) Black Star, Black Star
"I remember coppin' this, Aquemini, and Lenny Kravitz's 5 on the same day. Needless to say, I was jammin' for months. I miss those days." - Boo Goo Doo Boom

23) Common Sense, Resurrection
Common just overwhelms the listener with his wordplay. The production is understated and lets him shine." - Wendell

22) Outkast, ATLiens
"No album before or since has had such an initial impact on me. I literally remember walking to the record store the day this came out. I had plans to go out that night and wanted to get home so I could quickly listen before my ride got there. When my ride came, I told him I was staying home and I sat there and listened to this album straight thru, over and over, until sometime the next morning. Since then, I’ve only grown more fond of it. A complete package in terms of an overall feel, fantastic lyricism and stellar production that is unrivaled." - Kwis

21) Notorious B.I.G., Life After Death
"...He would create what is widely regarded as hip-hop’s first blockbuster album." - Fresh Cherries from Yakima

20) De La Soul, Three Feet High and Rising
"Changed the game. Period." - Straight Bangin'

19) Run-DMC, Raising Hell
"More lyrical and musical than most rock albums of the same era." - Nerd Cake

18) The Fugees, The Score
"The samples and rhymes are so smooth and unabrasive, and the drum loops are strong, but not so hard-hitting that your ears start hurting after extended listening. The Score represents, to me, the perfect musical collection: interesting, challenging, and moving, but at the same time, poppy, catchy, and accessible." - Jamie Radford

17) Snoop Doggy Dogg, Doggystyle
"The greatest party gangsta album ever. The best Dr. Dre beats ever." - Zilla

16) Boogie Down Productions, Criminal Minded
"The Beatles have never sounded this good." - Unkut

15) Jay-Z, Reasonable Doubt
"Jay copied from the best to come up with this one. " - Start Snitching

14) Ghostface Killah, Supreme Clientele
"Who knows what the fuck Ghost is saying but damn does that shit sound fly." - Searching for my Swagger

13) N.W.A., Straight Outta Compton
"The effects of this record still leave me confused as to what the net effect of N.W.A. was on rap." - SS

12) GZA, Liquid Swords
"always the most intellectual member in the legendary wu, genius lives up to his moniker over this dark, brooding collection of rza’s coldest beats." - Fresh Cherries from Yakima

11) Outkast, Aquemini
"Besides the pop hits, the more artistic side of this album took a while to grow on me. But now I wonder what the fuck was wrong with me." - Woodsonian Institute

10) Mobb Deep, The Infamous
"Prodigy's lyrical performance on this pushes it above and beyond. With their first two albums The Mobb helped usher in the street thug era as much as BIG and Jay did." - The Assimilated Negro

9) Eric B. & Rakim, Paid in Full
"Party records. MC records. Fast rapping. Slow rapping. Perfect for the car, the stage, a mix show. Rakim never wastes one bar and the beats fit him like a glove while sampling the best parts of the best soul records ever (Barry White, Lynn Collins, James Brown, Kool and The Gang, Syl Johnson, etc.)" - Zilla

8) A Tribe Called Quest, The Low End Theory
"...this record feels more like a whole than almost anything else I've ever heard. Every song is perfect, from the ridiculous stripped down and spare production to the massive talents shown by both MCs." - Better Than Butt Sex

7) A Tribe Called Quest, Midnight Marauders
"Looks like we've found the greatest hip-hop group of all time." - Woodsonian

"This album deserves a coronation ceremony as the greatest hip hop album of all time." - The Assimilated Negro

6) Public Enemy, It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back
"Easily one of the top five most important records in hip hop history, with a mid-album trifecta of monumental importance: 'She Watch Channel Zero,' 'Night of the Living Baseheads,' and the chilling 'Black Steel in the Hour of Chaos.'” - Flood Watch Music

5) Dr. Dre, The Chronic
"This album defines a generation." - Dallas Penn

4) Raekwon, Only Built 4 Cuban Linx...
"The epitome of early 90's east coast hip hop." - SfmS

3) Notorious B.I.G., Ready to Die
"So many choice cuts and Biggie rips through verses with such an amazingly captivating style: this album’s charms are impossible to resist." - From Da Bricks

2) Wu-Tang Clan, Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)
"A group of nerds from Staten Island mixed kung-fu, obscure mythology, gully talk and a cult religion to change rap forever." - SS

"Hip-hop’s version of Sgt. Pepper." - Passion of the Weiss

1) Nas, Illmatic
"Whenever some hippie music rag puts together a Top 100 albums of all time list it always includes Kind Of Blue at the expense of every other Jazz album ever released. When hip-hop reaches that level of recognition, Illmatic will be the album to make the list. And by the way, Nas won." - Angry Citizen

I find making Top 10 Albums etc too tiresome and stressful to state my own, but I would like to know you lots ones, I also have to admit though i'm only 18 and a lot of these albums have become dated by my standards and are hard to appreciate/listen too, so I couldn't give a fair account anyways.

Back to the present, it seems like the industry is gearing up for the return of 50 Cent.
For me 50's Amusement park is horrendous even by his own standards, Straight to the bank and fully loaded clip I did like though which is quite weird since I haven't liked anything 50 did since he debut Lp.

So basically this year Ive been listening to last years Clipse Album a lot.
Thats 07 hip hop for me. :no:

Lami

13-05-2007, 15:16

I don't see Pac on that list.. :mellow:

wrigh2uk

13-05-2007, 15:22

^ was thinking the same, Me Against The World was an absolute classic not a terrible track.