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Tenacious D
10-03-2005, 17:49
[B]Why does everyone hate us?
When we win why are we so lucky?
When we lose one game people go heres the blip?
Even though we score good goals usually?
When we get people injured you start saying things?
Post away,this was inevitable(sp),I've really had enough.
Stella Artois
10-03-2005, 17:50
We hate Chelski because of gloryhunting prats like you.
mjnicnak
10-03-2005, 17:52
stellas right. seems like your cheating us out of sumthin we built over seasons. it feels like u found a cheat on how to succeed like on some computer game. so we hate youu because we feel we are being cheated.
and we hate it wen you try to boast how good u are, but u know as much as we know that if it wernt or MR Abromovich you would still be shite. :)
Cannon ball
10-03-2005, 17:52
Next season I will see alot more people wearing blue chelsea shirts in manchester.
Nick Neville
10-03-2005, 17:53
Because some bloke turned up with a lod of cash and bought the best players. It's like playing championship manager with 200m in the bank to start with.
You go down the pub tell your mates, and they say "so what, you cheated and had 200mil in the bank" of course you were gonna win it.
Tenacious D
10-03-2005, 17:54
Next season I will see alot more people wearing blue chelsea shirts in manchester.
Aye alot of people wear Man U shirts in London know how your going too feel.
=-']Aye alot of people wear Man U shirts in London know how your going too feel.
thats the only comment you answer to :rolleyes:
we all hate Chelsea because you didnt earn success...you bought it..
its destroying football.....
Tenacious D
10-03-2005, 18:02
thats the only comment you answer to :rolleyes:
we all hate Chelsea because you didnt earn success...you bought it..
its destroying football.....
I answered to it because I choose too answer too it,I think I have a right to do what I want.
Rafro, I really don't think you should have made an anti-chelski thread. This could have the biggest number of replies EVER!! Only kidding, the main thing I don't like about Chelsea is they didn't deserve any of this glory or money, they should be working hard to earn it and win titles. I'm not saying Abramovic should've bought a different club but just not buy a club.
Magpie4eva
10-03-2005, 18:14
i think chelsea r prats...there only good because roman abromovich bought them
Tenacious D
10-03-2005, 18:21
Rafro, I really don't think you should have made an anti-chelski thread. This could have the biggest number of replies EVER!! Only kidding, the main thing I don't like about Chelsea is they didn't deserve any of this glory or money, they should be working hard to earn it and win titles. I'm not saying Abramovic should've bought a different club but just not buy a club.
Im making it because everyone just hates us like but im sure the imatureness will go down after 20 years or so. :),I hate them glory hunting supporters like myself :rolleyes: Extreme sarcasm because I turn a blind eye when people say that because in my heart I know if im not or if I am.
Q: Is how meny of you people went to see your team this season or in the last 5 years or so?
How meny of you that are in the CL went too see them in this years champions league?
I hate the tourists that got in on Tuesday because im competing for tickets with them and they just turn up with their 1st ticket to see Chelsea.
I'm just beating someone to making the thread and thought it was going to happen soon and really iv'e just had enough
I don't think it's whether you go to games or not that makes you a true fan but whether you support them, have confidence and aren't ashamed of your team. You must know what's happening with your team (transfers, fixtures etc.) instead of just asking every now and again - "who's are next fixture against?"
I have only been to a Man Utd game once in my 15 year supporting life, but i am a member and go to the reserve games regularly.
Tenacious D
10-03-2005, 18:34
I don't think it's whether you go to games or not that makes you a true fan but whether you support them, have confidence and aren't ashamed of your team. You must know what's happening with your team (transfers, fixtures etc.) instead of just asking every now and again - "who's are next fixture against?"
Yeh well I know your right but I allways know who we are going to play and so on.
But if a QPR fan dosen't know im sure you wouldn't Question their loyalty .At the end of the day I know how long iv'e been suporting them so really all this glory hunting crap don't bother me, because I KNOW and thats all I care about and the people that know me, (which non of you don't know me ) know I ainta glory hunting supporter
when they wern't doing well and when they were lying 12th and the PREM and I was young I didn't care (well I did but I didnt care what people thought)
When I was in primary school and people said what team is that I didn't care what they said even though I used to get slaughtered.( I don't think noone can be a true fan these days that supporters big teams because everyone assumes you jumped the bandwagon )
I don't think it's whether you go to games or not that makes you a true fan but whether you support them, have confidence and aren't ashamed of your team. You must know what's happening with your team (transfers, fixtures etc.) instead of just asking every now and again - "who's are next fixture against?"
Disagree.
Obviously real fans from America etc... can't be criticised, as it really would be an outrageous expense for them to see 90 minutes of football.
But wherever you live in the England/Wales/Scotland, you can only possibly be one bus ride, one or two train rides and another bus/tube ride away from your teams football ground. Set off at 9 back by midnight latest on a Saturday wherever you're going (exceptions made for Aberdeen versus Portsmouth)
"I don't go because I can't get tickets"
...is not an excuse. Of course you can't get tickets if you don't even try, don't become a member or a season ticket holder.
Sky fans are the downfall of Premiership football.
Tenacious D
10-03-2005, 18:38
Disagree.
Obviously real fans from America etc... can't be criticised, as it really would be an outrageous expense for them to see 90 minutes of football.
But wherever you live in the England/Wales/Scotland, you can only possibly be one bus ride, one or two train rides and another bus/tube ride away from your teams football ground.
Yeh I ment in the country, not if they live outside it but you get my drift hopefully.
I always believe you should have connections with a team (e.g. local, player comes from your town etc) but i suppose you can live elsewhere in the world and support them. One of my friends used to support Liverpool but has now changed to Man City, now I KNOW he's not a glory supporter but his reason for supporting City was because they are much closer than Liverpool.
Tenacious D
10-03-2005, 18:42
I always believe you should have connections with a team (e.g. local, player comes from your town etc) but i suppose you can live elsewhere in the world and support them. One of my friends used to support Liverpool but has now changed to Man City, now I KNOW he's not a glory supporter but his reason for supporting City was because they are much closer than Liverpool.
Yeh but because I supported Chelsea 10 years ago noone will reconisge that will they?because this site wern't invented (even if it was I would be a child ) and 2) you didnt know me.
I used to hate Chelski, now they are just a joke.
You should always have a solid reason for supporting your team.
Whether it's generational, your local club etc... etc... I can't stand it when I see people saying "I watched MOTD when I was 7 and loved Manchester United's red shirts" etc...
I've no doubt real fans abroad exist, I know a Chelsea fan who flew over from Australia for the games against Villa, Portsmouth and Liverpool at Christmas time! Obviously not all foreign/ex-pat fans can afford to do that, but I've no doubt they exist and can be classed as true fans.
Just people in England who never attend games piss me right off, and those who have some pony reason behind supporting their teams. People with both of those characteristics together piss me right off.
Tenacious D
10-03-2005, 18:52
Well the ones about man u is bull, it runs in my family supporting them so I was Chelsea from the start and aload of other reasons, never turned back and as im the first child I got forced if you like.
but my brother supportes man u because at the time they one the title when he went school.
I'm a true Man Utd fan. Anyone disagree, or have an objection?
Tenacious D
10-03-2005, 18:58
I'm a true Man Utd fan. Anyone disagree, or have an objection?
My generalisation(sp) is your a glory hunter because that they way things are.
But if you support Preston North End then you will be a true fan mate :rolleyes:
Ok, seen as though i live near Manchester, have supported them from the beginning of the Prem and go to reserve games (to watch talent like richardson, spector, rossi and pique), I obviously am a glory hunter, and know nothing about the actual team, only the scores. Look at most of the United fans on this forum Rafro, you will see i am one of the genuiest (sp.).
bbjaylive
10-03-2005, 19:03
On a scale of 1-10 as a fan of Man Utd it would probably be 2. I don't care if I'm not a true fan or proper supporter. I started supporting them when about 10 years ago this friend asked if me and my bro wanted to watch a match of man city. We said "yeah" and he said "oh well too bad, you're watching united". And from then on we were FANS of united. I've only seen 1 reserve game and 2 youth games which were all for free because I got them through my primary school. I won't be a bigot if we lose a match and I know that United played crap.
On the subject of Cheslea, in the words of Shakespeare,"Some are born with greatness, some achieve greatness and some have greatness thrust upon them." You can figure out which category Chelsea fit into.
Tenacious D
10-03-2005, 19:04
Ok, seen as though i live near Manchester, have supported them from the beginning of the Prem and go to reserve games (to watch talent like richardson, spector, rossi and pique), I obviously am a glory hunter, and know nothing about the actual team, only the scores.
I'm just doing what everyone else does around here.
nath_scfc
10-03-2005, 19:14
If Chelsea's spending improves the standard of football in England then why all the dismissing the club as cheating? Okay, they've struck it a bit lucky with Ambramovich but what excuses would you use if David Dein had been replaced by Ambramovich?
If the competition is stiffer then surely you can enjoy wins better and it makes the games more exciting for everyone.
As for glory-hunters, whatever floats your boat but don't talk to me and gloat when you win something or whinge when you feel cheated. I don't mind if you support a local team or live abroad but if none apply to you then I'd advise getting yourself a few tickets for a lower league match or trying harder to get a ticket for the team you support.
Tenacious D
10-03-2005, 19:19
If Chelsea's spending improves the standard of football in England then why all the dismissing the club as cheating? Okay, they've struck it a bit lucky with Ambramovich but what excuses would you use if David Dein had been replaced by Ambramovich?
If the competition is stiffer then surely you can enjoy wins better and it makes the games more exciting for everyone.
As for glory-hunters, whatever floats your boat but don't talk to me and gloat when you win something or whinge when you feel cheated. I don't mind if you support a local team or live abroad but if none apply to you then I'd advise getting yourself a few tickets for a lower league match or trying harder to get a ticket for the team you support.
That will be the only person to not hate Chelsea that dosen't support them.
But its only Chelsea gettin the benefit of the millions from Abramovich, the other teams wont stand a chance in the next 3-7 years, unless Chelsea starts to sell some players of their own to their rivals.
Money is power, and Chelsea's got both at the moment.
Charlton have benefitted greatly from us. They got £10m of us for Parker and we saved them the embarressment of buying Mateja Kezman! Thanks to Abramovich's investment, Birmingham acquired the services of Mikael Forssell for two years (well, it would've been had he not got injured) and Aston Villa have acquired the services of Carlton Cole.
We've also contributed huge sums of money to keep Notts County out of administration and also donated money to Scunthorpe United. Invested heavily in our youth academy set up, so hopefully Abramovich's investment will start to produce many of England's great future stars. Under Mourinho's guidance, Joe Cole also is really starting to look like the player his talent so clearly should make him. Which is a good thing for the national side, not the mention the experience and exposure that Lampard and Terry are getting at Chelsea which has undoubtedly improved their performances for their country, thanks to Abramovich's investment.
Tenacious D
10-03-2005, 20:32
Also single handly saving West Ham.
Maybe Chelsea are doing all that, but in a few years Chelsea will be too dominant and will make the Premiership boring, like Michael Schumacher in F1.
Well Fisichella won this time :p
They discovered a new tactic: Kick Schumacher out of the race as early as possible
Took em 4 full seasons to discover that though :p
soliloquay
10-03-2005, 20:51
what i hate about chelsea is that they brought too many players and some of them ended up deteriorating in their play. that's no reason to really hate them anyway. buying and selling players is part of the game. at first they were a laugh when abrahomovic arrived because they had many stars but couldn't play well. but now they're beginning to look like a really strong team
Yeah, but if a driver decides to do that he puts him self out of the race. We'll see if the drivers care about themselves or the sport.
Cristiano07
10-03-2005, 21:48
=-'][B]Why does everyone hate us?
When we win why are we so lucky?
When we lose one game people go heres the blip?
Even though we score good goals usually?
When we get people injured you start saying things?
Post away,this was inevitable(sp),I've really had enough.
welome 2 the world of man utd, uve had it 4 a season and a half, we've had it 4eva. just 1 of them things
AgentZero
11-03-2005, 02:00
this has been mentioned oin a another site but chelski are a ytream without a soul...
Bought your successes and cheated teams like liverpool,newcastle and Everton whom had to work hard to get how they are...
-=[101st]=-
11-03-2005, 02:14
These fucking official threads are getting stupid.. be do not need an official god damn anti chelsea thread.. there is no friggin point to it.. why must everyone make these stupid threads?? even some of the club ones are getting stupid! serisouly. i hope and admin closes it.
Foxhound
11-03-2005, 02:59
I hate Chelsea because they will always buy world class player! " can I buy lots of world class player?" "sure, pick any that you want. I will provide the money for you"
Their youth system seems to be useless because there IS NO chance that their youth player gonna break into their first team
LOL...what a thread! Hey...not wanting Chelsea to do well is natural for fans of football who don't support them...but HATE is a strong word. I respect a lot of the players...Terry has done really well this season.
Maybe it's just bashing the top dogs (at the moment) sometimes!!!
I must say this:
I don't hate chelsea. I hate 2 teams and 2 teams only: AC Milan and Man Utd.
I don't Real Madrid to succeed, but if they ever play those 2 above I want them to win.
Same goes for Bayern Munich, Inter, chelsea and many other good teams.
Chelsea getting Roman was a good thing for the EPL. It created a 3-horse race. Competition is always good. Always. It's true that this year Chelsea has done all the things in the right way - buying players, having virtually 2 teams, the best manager, etc. You also can't ignore the fact that they enjoyed their share of luck (champions luck) which all champions enjoy. They play the best football in England. Period. The most beautiful thing about it that they don't even have the best players - they just play with so much more intelligence than all the others.
But...
It is upsetting that it all happened so quick. It's unsettling, really. How can you deal with the fact that there is a solid proof that money can buy titles? there are a lot of big-spending teams, and you can't ignore the fact that it usually helped them to achieve something, but not in such a convincing manner. It's easy to see that this is the first time that a team gets so much money, uses it smartly and wins. The whole proccess in 1.5 years. So you get that cheaty feeling. In the end, in a year or two, it's not going to matter. but now it's upsetting.
the thing against barca was totally different. I hate terry's last goal, I hate the excuses made by mourniho in the first leg, the excuses that barca players cheated as well so it made it OK to steal the last goal. WTF. You know you all cried bloody murder when Campbell's goal was disallowed during the Euro, and you were wrong about that one as well. So what's the big change? that collina didn't notice? remember what you did to that poor referee? send goddamn letterbombs and shit to his house in Switzerland!!! So don't go all "oh, it was brill"....
that just dangerous...
I DISLIKE....or maybe HATE Chelsea deep into my bones....! :mad:
davefitz87
11-03-2005, 14:16
Chelsea hav basically cheated every other team that has worked hard. I am a Liverpool fan, and naturally i can't stand Man Utd but at least Man Utd earned all the money they spend on players, at least Man Utd earnd their position in the premiership. I would much rather see the Red Devil scum raise the cup than Chelsea - bcos thy wud of earned it, not bought it! Thts why no team respects Chelsea becos u hav earned nothing. You have a gr8 team ill give u tht but 99% of those players wouldnt be ther if it wasnt for the ass faced russian.
Chelsea hav basically cheated every other team that has worked hard. I am a Liverpool fan, and naturally i can't stand Man Utd but at least Man Utd earned all the money they spend on players, at least Man Utd earnd their position in the premiership. I would much rather see the Red Devil scum raise the cup than Chelsea - bcos thy wud of earned it, not bought it! Thts why no team respects Chelsea becos u hav earned nothing. You have a gr8 team ill give u tht but 99% of those players wouldnt be ther if it wasnt for the ass faced russian.
Got it in a nutshell. ;)
I don't hate chelsea. I hate 2 teams and 2 teams only: AC Milan and Man Utd.... blah blah blah
What's so bad about United and Meeelan?
Nick Neville
11-03-2005, 17:06
the thing against barca was totally different. I hate terry's last goal, I hate the excuses made by mourniho in the first leg, the excuses that barca players cheated as well so it made it OK to steal the last goal. WTF. You know you all cried bloody murder when Campbell's goal was disallowed during the Euro, and you were wrong about that one as well. So what's the big change? that collina didn't notice? remember what you did to that poor referee? send goddamn letterbombs and shit to his house in Switzerland!!! So don't go all "oh, it was brill"....
that just dangerous...
I think you'll find a lot of the british public hate foul play. BUT we've been cheated so many fuck!n times by diving cheating foreigner's (is there an honest nation south of greenwich?!?!?) quite frankly doing Barcelona with Carvahlo taking out the keeper was sweet as.
Valdez deserved it for his theatrics in the first leg, when Drogba pole axed / touch him with a feather. I saw Valdez at it again last Saturday in la Liga rolling around cluthcing his face, the pussy.
I'm siding with davefitz87 and Haribo. But davefitz87 is slightly wrong- none of Chelsea's players would be there but for Abramovich because Chelsea were heading out of business before the loose-jointed Russian came in.
I think you'll find a lot of the british public hate foul play. BUT we've been cheated so many fuck!n times by diving cheating foreigner's (is there an honest nation south of greenwich?!?!?) quite frankly doing Barcelona with Carvahlo taking out the keeper was sweet as.
Valdez deserved it for his theatrics in the first leg, when Drogba pole axed / touch him with a feather. I saw Valdez at it again last Saturday in la Liga rolling around cluthcing his face, the pussy.
Thank you for helping me proving my point. You did it greatly. You know, for religious jews, there is a term called "goy of sabbath" which means they employ a non-jew to turn the light on for them and do stuff which is forbidden during saturday. So you English have your "goy" - Carvalho to cheat for you. nice fucking going, you can even keep your honest un-cheating facade (wayne roonie vs. Arsenal, anyone? for god sake.... don't get me started) and reserve your feeling of sweetness, me reserving my feeling of disgust.
Yuck.
Foxhound
12-03-2005, 05:25
IChelsea getting Roman was a good thing for the EPL. It created a 3-horse race
In the future, It'll be a 1-horse race IF they continue to buy good/great/world class players
In the future, It'll be a 1-horse race IF they continue to buy good/great/world class players
That would be competitive :rolleyes: :D
It's already looking like it, now that they're so far from United and have a game in hand too.
So you English have your "goy" - Carvalho to cheat for you. nice fucking going, you can even keep your honest un-cheating facade (wayne roonie vs. Arsenal, anyone? for god sake.... don't get me started) and reserve your feeling of sweetness, me reserving my feeling of disgust.
So you're saying that the English are despicable because they have foreigners to cheat for them, but go on to give the example of Rooney winning a pentaly against Arsenal?
What point are you actually trying to make? That British people love to see teams cheat, or that In-ger-lund fans are moronic?
And again... why the hate of United and Meelan?
As for this topic, Chelski are a joke because their success is purley down to a sugardaddy. It's wrong for any third party to be able to invest so heavily in a football club that they can go from European contenders to dominating the Premiership in less than two years.
I would think this regardless of how Abramovich earned his money, but when you add to that the fact he's made his millions by raping and exploiting the Russian people, it's even more of a kick in the teeth.
I find it hillarious how fickle and clueless Chelski's support is. Before Abramovich they were boasting average attendances as low as six thousand in some seasons.
Roman's rubles may be able to buy success. but they can't buy credibility.
Bravoboy
12-03-2005, 08:26
=-']My generalisation(sp) is your a glory hunter because that they way things are.
But if you support Preston North End then you will be a true fan mate :rolleyes:
I hate it when people look at it that way. Why is there more chance of you being a true supporter, when the team you support is a Championship team or lower? Just because they have less fans, doesn't mean that there's any less chance of the club gaining false fans.
I mean, look at Brighton, we must now be the official glory hunter's club. :rolleyes:
If you support Chelsea, then you support Chelsea, nothing can change that.
In response to gollan and Akineye, cheating is part of the game and pretty much every player in the world would do it given half a chance- we should just accept it and not complain about.
And as for 'real fans', my definition is to follow your team, not necessarily going to games, but to know what's going on and not just say you support a team just because they are successful and you want to jump on the bandwagon.
NorthernLights
12-03-2005, 16:06
No1 likes you because their jealous of you and all your money, they wunt complain if Roman whats his name took over thier team, you smug russian git :D
the thing against barca was totally different. I hate terry's last goal, I hate the excuses made by mourniho in the first leg, the excuses that barca players cheated as well so it made it OK to steal the last goal. WTF. You know you all cried bloody murder when Campbell's goal was disallowed during the Euro, and you were wrong about that one as well. So what's the big change? that collina didn't notice? remember what you did to that poor referee? send goddamn letterbombs and shit to his house in Switzerland!!! So don't go all "oh, it was brill"....
that just dangerous...
Well, you can't compare all that stuff. Barca players dived in the 1st leg pretty often, I've never seen a Spanish team trying to win without cheating. It's normal that you get upset when you see cheating scum like Deco or Xavi, who do it all the time, of course everyone has his blackouts from time to time, but they're doing it in every match.
About the Terry/Campbell goals. It's ok to moan about it, both decisions were wrong, and if some Chelsea fans get angry because of Barca complaining about Collina then it's absolutely not understandable. In my opinion Terry's goal was irregular, it's Barca's right to say what they think about it.
Sol's goal at the Euro was regular, so dealing out criticism about Urs Meier's decision was justified.
Soccer_rules
12-03-2005, 16:09
lol, and roman is beign investigated by almost all secret services in the world, lol, hes dirty but they cant prove it, and he washes money by buying starts for chelsea :P, anyway i think apart forom the extra.footbal stuff, chelsea has showed thats a great team.
To Larsson - the cheating/english attitude toward it is a whole subject. Maybe we'll open a thread about it later. Sol's goal was not regular IMO - but I'll concede to the fact that in comparison to Terry's, it was as pure as snow. MY point was to show that when English fans see a goal that should've been disallowed they know damn well how to show their discomfort (Sol's goal) and when it's an English team doing the same you don't see didly-squat in the English media dealing with that. My problem is not with the fans - it's the media. The same media that "invented" Ronaldinho's comment regarding English teams. It's just absurd.
To Akinye - Well I hate both teams because they are scum, no particular reason. I could be unfair and try to find them reasons retroactively but there's no need to. My hatred is pure, simple and equals my support to the teams I support. I should've hated Real Madrid that much but I can't, for some reason.
My points before were:
a. Damn straight England fans are moronic :D :D :D (well you guys think you have a shot at winning something every single tournament, so that's moronic, but it's also adorable). Nah I'm just kidding all football fans tend to be moronic when it's their national teams playing. England fans are like all fans.
b. given the amount of hype regarding cheating, diving and foul-play projected at non-english players, plus the fact that nowadays a lot of english players do cheat (hence the Rooney example), I just find it to be some sort of hypocricy. Like Yossi said, in modern football players cheat. Deal with that. If you can't, don't endorse cheating when it's serving your purpose, because THEN you really look like a moron, this time I'm not kidding.
c. I don't understand why people don't like Roman's investment in English football. Why can't you look at it in a broader perspective? All this means really is that the other 2 horses (Manure and Arsenal) will have to work harder. This year has been a magical year for the blues, but next year could be different. Mourniho is a genius, but there are other good teams in England and I really don't think Chelsea are in for a period of dominance, not like ManU in the 90's, and far from 'Pool's in the 70's.
So let's just wait. You know, teams that enjoyed unlimited funds for years didn't succeed like chelsea (real, milan, jvue) so it gotta be something extra, IMO.
In response to gollan, England have the best bunch of players now than in the past, and a decent manager would make us win something. Not than Sven's a terrible manager- just not great. Anyway gollan, who do you support? And finally, Chelsea's 'something extra' is in my opinion Mourinho.
Gollan if you're referring to the media, then I think you shouldn't mention only the English. The Spanish media didn't have any problems with Drogba's ridicolous red card in the first match, the Spanish media didn't have any (or very few) problems with racist remarks from Aragones, they didn't have any problems with those noises from the crowd during the match against England in Madrid a few months ago, etc.
The media in England is not different to the media in Spain, Italy, Germany...
And I dunno if English media invented those comments, even if they did, Ronaldinho still is one of the biggest wankers and cheats in European football :D
Also your point b is simply wrong, just watch 10 matches from the EPL and Primera Division and Serie A. And then compare the number of dives. It happens from time to time in English football, but way more often in the other leagues. I know that it is a part of the game, but shouldn't. If you tell me to accept that, then someone could tell you to accept racism, as it is a part of the society. Deal with that. It's not that easy.
And I WILL moan about cheating, and if my team wins because of a wrong decision by the ref this doesn't make me look like a moron. I don't see any hypocracy to be honest, what's wrong about hating cheats ? If you dive twice a year you're not a cheat, if you do it every week, then you are.
Ronaldinho's not a wanker- he's a great player.
=-']Im making it because everyone just hates us like but im sure the imatureness will go down after 20 years or so. :),I hate them glory hunting supporters like myself :rolleyes: Extreme sarcasm because I turn a blind eye when people say that because in my heart I know if im not or if I am.
Q: Is how meny of you people went to see your team this season or in the last 5 years or so?
How meny of you that are in the CL went too see them in this years champions league?
I hate the tourists that got in on Tuesday because im competing for tickets with them and they just turn up with their 1st ticket to see Chelsea.
I'm just beating someone to making the thread and thought it was going to happen soon and really iv'e just had enough
ive been to see liverpool 12 times at home been to 2 champs league 1 away game (watford) and i followed them all the way to cardiff siy. sorry so late but i just kept on going past this thread dont no why.
Thats probably my fault Rafro!
I had no doubt at all this thread would take off :)
Gollan, it's no secret that their are divers in the Premiership, and it's no secret that some of the cheats are English.
That doesn't mean that English people who bemoan the typical 'cheating foreigner' are hypocrites or morons. The amount of cheating in the English game/amongst English players is not even comparable to the amount of cheating in foreign leages/amongst foreign players.
Therefore it's perfectly reasonable to complain about the cheating and diving that takes place abroad and is used to attempt to cheat English teams out of competitions.
In the last 20 days I've seen 2 games involving a Spanish team. Both Barcelona, both against Chelsea.
In those two games I've seen Xavi and Deco produce two of the worst dives I've ever seen, in addition to dives from Marquez, Valdes and Belletti.
In the entire Premiership season, you would not find two dives like the shockers Xavi and Deco produced in an attempt to cheat Chelsea out of the tie.
The fact their is a hint of cheating about our winner is poetic justice in my opinion. The Catalans were out to shamelessely cheat Chelsea out of the competition for the entire 180 minutes.
That's not to say I condone cheating at all, just that it's fitting that Barcelona should exit the competition feeling cheated despite the fact they are the biggest cheats in Europe.
You would see dives like that in the entire Premiership season. Diouf v Blackburn and Morientes v Southampton. And saying that Barca tried to cheat their way to victory is not true, a couple of dives does not mean they are trying to win the whole tie by cheating. Anyway, I went to the Norwich v Chelsea match last weekend and Tiago and Makelele both made ridiculous dives.
Of course there are dives in the Premiership, but none as bad as I've seen Deco consistently produce and Xavi's shocker on Tuesday.
They rate at 10s - Dioufus gets an 8, Pires consistently hits the 6s with the odd 8, Vieira too, Rooney with the odd 8.
But on the whole, from what I've seen La Liga in comparison to the PL, it has far more cheaters, diving is more common, and the diving situation is in a much worse state than it is in the Premiership.
Uhm I feel so shit because of participating in this Offtopic discussion, as an admin :o
Ok, so here's the on-topic stuff. I hate Chelsea. For a long time now, many of them support the Rangers, many Arsenal fans support Celtic, it's quite obvious that Celtic fans dislike Chelsea, prefer teams like Arsenal, Manure or Liverpool.
So much for the on-topic :p
First to reply to Yossi, yes I think he's a wanker, moron and cheat, despite his great talent. And his behaviour after the match at Stamford Bridge showed that, again. He's not a great footballer for me, Zidane is great, Ronaldinho showed nothing in the 2nd halt against Chelsea, when the team needed him. He's not great. Lampard and Terry are great players. There's a big difference between great player and great footballing skills/talent. A great player needs more than only skills, it's a matter of psyche, and Ronaldinho is weak in that aspect. Accept it or not, he's not a leader in my opinion. If this offends the stupid Ronaldinho fanboys here, fuck off and die. Just by the way, I think the same about Cristiano Ronaldo and Rooney. Again, if you feel offended by this, fuck off and die.
About the cheating stuff, well, just wanted to say the same Liam did.
To add something from me, I can't comment about diving and cheating in Serie A, I don't watch it often, but from what I've seen there's an improvement, compared to the situation 5-6 years ago. I might be wrong, just my observation.
But I do watch Primera Division, once a week, and I've really never seen a match there without cheating...
And it's not only about typical dives when there's not even a contact between 2 players, it's also about this "please show a card" gesture towards the ref after every tiny foul, and it's about the behaviour of players in general, after the foul. They always try to make the foul look as spectacular as possible, sometimes there's just a soft touch, well, it is a foul, but nothing special, and they're acting like someone would try to cut their leg off.
I think that some English fans exaggerate with all this stuff of course, they often comment on certain teams and players, but never saw them playing, they've just read it in the paper or have heard it from a friend or commentator on TV or whatever.
I'd like to share a little anecdote, I've noticed something over the last few years when talking to English fans and fans from other European countries, Southern Europe above all, Spain, Italy, Turkey, Greece. If I talk to an English guy about an EPL match, Team A wins against Team B 1:0, goal from a penalty after a dive, and this guy is a Team B supporter, he will not talk about a wrong decision by the referee at the beginng, but go mad about the dive. If this happened in eg Turkey or Spain, and I'd talk about a fan from there about it, he would blame the ref first and foremost, maybe even not mention the dive. It's just an accepted part of the game there, I won't accept it, if it's incomprehensible, well, fuck off and die :D
Why is larsson so angry? Anyway, if Ronaldinho is not a great player, then how come he is World Player of the Year. And he's currently running rings around the Bilbao defence. I agree that diving is worse on the continent and I also hate players exaggerating fouls.
I'm not angry, maybe you misunderstood something ;)
About World Player of the Year, well, who cares, have a look on the FIFA world ranking, and you know what to think about FIFA awards and similar stuff. And I've never questioned his talent, so I don't really know what you want to achieve with the sentence "And he's currently running rings around the Bilbao defence". Did I say that he can't do that, anywhere ? Is that something special ? Austria Vienna attackers did the same last week.
bbjaylive
12-03-2005, 21:56
They rate at 10s - Dioufus gets an 8, Pires consistently hits the 6s with the odd 8, Vieira too, Rooney with the odd 8.
From what I've seen Viera is a terrible diver!:D His diving kit must be broken:D
I'd give Diouf an 8, plus the spitting factor :D I'm glad he's not at Liverpool anymore. He might come back next season though :mad:
He'd never be welcomed back at Liverpool. The rate he's going, he'll be back in Senegal by the end of the year, in a prison cell.
yeah he's not welcome back by rafa he's 1 of the players who are part of the clear out by rafa so bye bye diouf nice knowing you.
He may dive and spit more than he should, but he is still a good footballer.
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