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Denmark 4 - 1 England
So, what were people saying about England's great defenders and their chances of winning the World Cup?... open your eyes, you're not that strong (and YES, Denmark won fairly). :D
BTW - for the ones who'll just write about how stupid this thread is, remember that you open one talking about how England was stronger than Brazil.
So England were beat 4-1 so what? England beat Germany (then dubbed the worst German side, ever) 5-1. Then Germany go the World Cup finals. Footballs a funny old game, anything can happen, mate.
Plus... theres an already made thread...
... Yes, crap thread!
Denmark 4 - 1 England
So, what were people saying about England's great defenders and their chances of winning the World Cup?... open your eyes, you're not that strong (and YES, Denmark won fairly). :D
BTW - for the ones who'll just write about how stupid this thread is, remember that you open one talking about how England was stronger than Brazil.
I couldn't care less about England.
The fact is Gerrard/Lampard doesn't work as a central-midfield partnership, neither of them can tackle and both are too attack - minded to play together. It should be one or the other, alongside a holding midfielder like Carrick, thus giving Gerrard/Lampard the freedom to attack and play like they do at club level.
Oh, and the less said about James the better.
Keyser Soze
18-08-2005, 00:22
So, what were people saying about England's great defenders and their chances of winning the World Cup?... open your eyes, you're not that strong .
Ok but can i just say one thing...
IT WAS A FRIENDLY, it meant NOTHING hence taking off our no.1 keep to put on Calamity James etc.
We're not that strong? Because we lost a meaningless friendly!? No-ones boasting about how good England, we are just stating how good our chances of winning the world cup are for once if everyone stays fit.
Stupid thread.
So England were beat 4-1 so what? England beat Germany (then dubbed the worst German side, ever) 5-1. Then Germany go the World Cup finals. Footballs a funny old game, anything can happen, mate.
Plus... theres an already made thread...
... Yes, crap thread!
No, you're wrong there! You see, there's a thread about the game, not about England's defeat, got that?
Your thread says Denmak - England, doesnt say about the defeat there, does it? The good thread says England v Denmark, just about the same thing, mate!
Taxi !
SVEN GORAN ERRIKSSON IS NOT A TACTICIAN. BRING IN SAM FUCKING ALARDYCE or STEVE MCLAREN!
It's not about the title... anyway, forget it.
I reckon Big Sam would be good for England, or like Jonny said bring back Sir Bobby!
SVEN GORAN ERRIKSSON IS NOT A TACTICIAN. BRING IN SAM FUCKING ALARDYCE or STEVE MCLAREN!Allardyce's tactics are just long ball shite like Sven, and don't get me started on that overrated prat McClaren
Keyser Soze
18-08-2005, 00:33
Bring Allardyce in if we want to play ugly football and be long ball urchants! No thanks.
Mclarren is not good enoguh for the job in my opinion.
Itachi-san
18-08-2005, 00:39
Why are people coming to a conclusion so fast? 2006 isn't here yet. It was only a friendly to test both sides power. England has always been a good team and went further than expected in the World Cup. Don't give all hopes up.
PS-Whoever say England is strong is ignorant. Every single nation is strong.
PS-Whoever say England is strong is ignorant. Every single nation is strong.
I agree with that!
Ian Holloway or David Moyes for England manager,i want someone who has brittish drive and determination to lead our country not some idiotic tinker man.
Definitely Maybe
18-08-2005, 01:46
England sicken me.
I am English born and bread, however, seeing the England team fills me with nothing but anger. No passion, no pride, no commitment.
Whenever a friendly comes along, Sven will fuck around with substitions, handing out caps to players no-where near good enough (Zat Knight, Antony Gardner, Glenn Johnson, Jermaine Jenas, Kieran Richardson, etc), totally devalueing an England cap. The so-called stars - Gerrard, Beckham, Ferdinand, etc, will stroll around for 45 minutes going through the motions, acting like its a chore to play for the country, before being substitued at half time, making it a totally pointless exercise as we are learning nowt from the experienced players strolling around, followed by 45 minutes of fringe players who arent good enough trying to keep the damage caused by the first half team down.
People come out with the same line every time - "two competitive defeats". But really, look at the teams England have come up against in the qualifiers, and you should totally expect that. The likes of Macedonia, Slovakia, etc = utter pish. Then people say, "well hes only lost 2 games in 2 tournaments," but its like saying "x have a great record in the FA Cup", because your guarenteed your only going to lose in that competition once a season.
I am at work until 9 on a night, so when England play I only ever get to see the second half (or in the case of tonight, none at all), but usually when I come in I just watch the Republic of Ireland nowadays. Much more passion and pride.
Ireland do have more passion than our team,i admit that.
Keyser Soze
18-08-2005, 01:49
England sicken me.
I am English born and bread, however, seeing the England team fills me with nothing but anger. No passion, no pride, no commitment.
Whenever a friendly comes along, Sven will fuck around with substitions, handing out caps to players no-where near good enough (Zat Knight, Antony Gardner, Glenn Johnson, Jermaine Jenas, Kieran Richardson, etc), totally devalueing an England cap. The so-called stars - Gerrard, Beckham, Ferdinand, etc, will stroll around for 45 minutes going through the motions, acting like its a chore to play for the country, before being substitued at half time, making it a totally pointless exercise as we are learning nowt from the experienced players strolling around, followed by 45 minutes of fringe players who arent good enough trying to keep the damage caused by the first half team down.
People come out with the same line every time - "two competitive defeats". But really, look at the teams England have come up against in the qualifiers, and you should totally expect that. The likes of Macedonia, Slovakia, etc = utter pish. Then people say, "well hes only lost 2 games in 2 tournaments," but its like saying "x have a great record in the FA Cup", because your guarenteed your only going to lose in that competition once a season.
I am at work until 9 on a night, so when England play I only ever get to see the second half (or in the case of tonight, none at all), but usually when I come in I just watch the Republic of Ireland nowadays. Much more passion and pride.
Suit yourself but I'll always follow my country through thick and thin.
Original?
18-08-2005, 02:01
Put it this way, we don't have a manager capable of international management and Sven despite his fans, is not cutting the mustard.
We have the players, we're just lacking hte commitment, drive and tactics.
Tenacious D
18-08-2005, 07:14
I suggest mourinho
chris248
18-08-2005, 07:32
too many players in the england squad have guarenteed places in the first team. despite talented youngsters such as wright-phillips and downing starting to appear, the same team continues to be played from the start, with the younger players only making cameo appearences and not getting a fair chance to impress.
beckham, owen, lampard, gerrard, ferdinand, a. cole, ferdinand, g.neville, tery and rooney are almost guarenteed to start every match that they are fit plus robinson has recently started to dominate the goalkeepers position. eriksson seems to have too much loyalty towards his players, but is not letting the team evolve.
200_pesos
18-08-2005, 07:43
Maybe all that shit I said about Poland being better than England was true. :) Poland vs England is October 12th BTW.
I suggest mourinho
taht will be great isf we do! but he leaving chelsea so get anyone ecept erricson and souness!
Marrison
18-08-2005, 10:01
People come out with the same line every time - "two competitive defeats". But really, look at the teams England have come up against in the qualifiers, and you should totally expect that. The likes of Macedonia, Slovakia, etc = utter pish. Then people say, "well hes only lost 2 games in 2 tournaments," but its like saying "x have a great record in the FA Cup", because your guarenteed your only going to lose in that competition once a season.
Brilliant post Definitely_Maybe, agree with all of what you wrote, especially what I have quoted.
I have never been enthusiastic about friendlies myself, and was only ever really interested to see Greeno get his first cap. It seems to me that England caps are going out too easily nowadays, and they are loosing their value.
I much more enjoy the competitive England games, least we know we will have the best England 11 out.
it should be
robinson
g.nevile terry rio/campbell bridge
beckham gerard joe cole
lampard
owen rooney
no james on subs please put green or kirkland in!
Nick Neville
18-08-2005, 10:26
Can't believe Nigel Martyn isn't in with the shout as reserve keeper. He's been quality for everton, and even though he's not the future would be great back up. Kirkland hasn't done anyhting yet, and Green is SO overrated, the last match at Fulham being the nail in the coffin of his his holier than thou staus awarded by the UK's overrrating journos.
good point but to br honest marytain is crap i dont see anything in him!
Juan gerard
18-08-2005, 10:50
im thought it was quite funny!!! its not a bad thing losing to denmark though they are quality
can't get over England losing 4 - 1...Get James outa goal!!
Zygalski
18-08-2005, 11:08
England definitely need a midfielder who can play in the defensive style of Makalele. I think the midfield should be more like
One from Butt/Carrick/Jenas/Phil Neville [DMF] playing behind
Beckham, Gerrard and Lampard/Cole.
England definitely need a midfielder who can play in the defensive style of Makalele. I think the midfield should be more like
One from Butt/Carrick/Jenas/Phil Neville [DMF] playing behind
Beckham, Gerrard and Lampard/Cole.
Hmmm, I have to agree with you there.
But I can't see Sven playing it in a competetive match sadly.
I was once all for Sven, now... :unsure:
Harry-Kewell
18-08-2005, 11:13
England definitely need a midfielder who can play in the defensive style of Makalele. I think the midfield should be more like
One from Butt/Carrick/Jenas/Phil Neville [DMF] playing behind
Beckham, Gerrard and Lampard/Cole.
Scott Parker is the best defensive midfielder that we have in my opinion. Gerrard shouldn't be playing in that role. It's quite clear that he's a much better player when he's going forward.
Daamn that is the one of the biggest thrashes i've ever seen
They need a Makelele type, now they got 2 midfielders that both want to go forward and dont want to do defensive work.
I think that England could have Robinson and Carson as the goalies, Green is overated and James is just ...you know...
I agree with Harry-Kewell is the best DMF England have as he defends without having the urge to go upfront every 2 seconds
England definitely need a midfielder who can play in the defensive style of Makalele. I think the midfield should be more like
One from Butt/Carrick/Jenas/Phil Neville [DMF] playing behind
Beckham, Gerrard and Lampard/Cole.we need a defensive midfielder but Carrick isn't really that kind, Phil Neville is a decent player but not what i'd want in my team at international level, after a season of Nicky Butt he has lost whatever he did have, and after 3 years of Jenas he is the most overhyped player in English football and can't play as a defensive midfielder to save his life.... Parker please
;)
I want Parker in England squad :lol:
svendust
18-08-2005, 13:19
I'd prefer Parker to Joe Cole anyday, especially as it looks like he isn't gonna get as much football as he did last season for Chelsea. But then we lose even more width and it would be even easier for teams to cut us off seeing as we can't play long balls either.
What was even worse than the England performance was the bloody idiot of a co-commentator sky sports had
That was a mistake by Steven James
He made himself look a right ninny throughout the whole match.
As for England apart from Beckham, Rooney and Ashley Cole, the whole team looked unintrested, uninspired and lacked any sort of passion or desire to win, thankfully i think the reason for that is becasue it was a friendly and of course becasue of the twonk in charge.
Eriksson's head should roll, the gutless, passionless twat. But the FA cant afford the £8million left on his contract, so they wont sack him, unfortunately.
Same Parker would be good will see more first time action then Joe Cole.
Jamez nice sig
[QUOTE=pro4mat]Bring Allardyce in if we want to play ugly football and be long ball urchants! No thanks.QUOTE]
Works for Greece.
I agree that they need a DMF like Makelele. If England had the desire, determination & fight like Ireland has, it'd be a different story... teamwork is the key. Ireland doenst have depth of alot of quality players, but teamwork and determination is what makes Ireland hard to beat and always up for the match on the night. Englands best XI should be...
Robinson
Carragher Terry Ferdinand A. Cole
Wright-Phillips Gerrard Lampard J. Cole
Rooney Owen
... Thats their strongest, dont know why they aint better on pitch. But a DMF if the key... id say moving Carragher into DMF might be quite useful... but Svens unpredictable. After taking Robinson & Terry off last night, Sven was asking for trouble, tho it was a friendly, but with too many friendly aswell as competitive defeats, England will drop in the FIFA World Rankings.
Keyser Soze
18-08-2005, 14:00
Parker is probably the best English defensive midfielder around, But Sven doesn't have a clue because friendlies are not only for getting fit, they are for experimenting which Sven doesn't do! For example he could try different formation such as:
-----------------------Robbo------------------
---------Terry--Ferdinand--Campbell----------- Trying out new things in friendlies
--------------------Parker--------------------- atleast they're worth try!
-----Becks-----Lamps----Gerrard-------A.Cole--
----------------Rooney-----------------------
-----------------------Defoe------------------
Nick Neville
18-08-2005, 15:17
I know everyone slates Owen Hargreaves doesn't he play in a holding role for Germany?
Can we not clone Incey back in 96/98. He'd do the job!!!
Keyser Soze
18-08-2005, 15:19
By the way Cudicini has got an English passport and has not played for Italy yet!
Get him in!
Thats right, i mind talking about that with a mate (Chelsea fan) and we both said that would be good for England, this was year er 2 ago more or less, but saying Robinson has got a push, he's doing well and is gettin first team football... maybe Cudicini could play for Ireland... get the 2nd billing after our Shay. Heard Frank Quederue could play for Ireland too, he'd be as Irish as Clinton Morrison!
Keyser Soze
18-08-2005, 15:28
:lol: Well thinking about it, It wouldn't be right having an Italian slipping on the England shirt, I don't think they would understand the passion and pride that the English do when wearing it. Its just the principals really that English people, Born and Bred should play for England.
Well Ireland gets the players who wont get into the England set-up. But Clinton Morrison is a hard worker, i appreciate his work rate... poor mans only asking to get goals to help the country out, disallowed one last night... poor wee criter!
codename 47
18-08-2005, 19:12
Although many argue that this as just a frendly,england this result just goes to show england fans and players don't go getting ahead of yourselves,especially some players i.e. david beckham an co saying thngs like our teams so good we've got brazil running scared
Although come 2 weeks time when(if) tey beat wales the ''england for the world cup'' talk will resurface again :rolleyes:
drunkensailor
19-08-2005, 22:26
Denmark 4 - 1 England
So, what were people saying about England's great defenders and their chances of winning the World Cup?... open your eyes, you're not that strong (and YES, Denmark won fairly). :D
BTW - for the ones who'll just write about how stupid this thread is, remember that you open one talking about how England was stronger than Brazil.
english people always think they have a chance of winning the wc or ec, fact is they never get further then the quarter finals at best
svendust
20-08-2005, 12:49
Parker is probably the best English defensive midfielder around, But Sven doesn't have a clue because friendlies are not only for getting fit, they are for experimenting which Sven doesn't do! For example he could try different formation such as:
-----------------------Robbo------------------
---------Terry--Ferdinand--Campbell----------- Trying out new things in friendlies
--------------------Parker--------------------- atleast they're worth try!
-----Becks-----Lamps----Gerrard-------A.Cole--
----------------Rooney-----------------------
-----------------------Defoe------------------
------------------Robinson----------------
Neville----Terry---Ferdinand------A.Cole---
Beckham----Gerrard-----Parker---Downing--
-------------Rooney------Owen------------
I think that side would win us the world cup. Even though it means dropping a world class player like Lampard, which Sven hasn't got the balls to do, it would give us lot more balance and Lamps and Gerrard in the centre is too attacking to be playing against the best attacking players in the world. Having Joe Cole on the bench is better as wel because he can change the game when legs are tired.
Keyser Soze
20-08-2005, 12:54
------------------Robinson----------------
Neville----Terry---Ferdinand------A.Cole---
Beckham----Gerrard-----Parker---Downing--
-------------Rooney------Owen------------
I think that side would win us the world cup. Even though it means dropping a world class player like Lampard, which Sven hasn't got the balls to do, it would give us lot more balance and Lamps and Gerrard in the centre is too attacking to be playing against the best attacking players in the world. Having Joe Cole on the bench is better as wel because he can change the game when legs are tired.
Maybe..Maybe not but we'll never know what players work well together unless Sven plays proper teams instead of being ignorant and just feilding his "Best" team for the 1st half then a totally different set of players the next and hoping the gel well. Thats hat friendlies are all about in my opinion anyway.
Darrenaldo
20-08-2005, 15:53
------------------Robinson----------------
Neville----Terry---Ferdinand------A.Cole---
Beckham----Gerrard-----Parker---Downing--
-------------Rooney------Owen------------
I think that side would win us the world cup. Even though it means dropping a world class player like Lampard, which Sven hasn't got the balls to do, it would give us lot more balance and Lamps and Gerrard in the centre is too attacking to be playing against the best attacking players in the world. Having Joe Cole on the bench is better as wel because he can change the game when legs are tired.
thank u, i agree completely: HOLDING MIDFIELD PLAYERS ARE THE KEY!!!! look at how much appreciation makalele and gilberto get from their clubmates, it for a reason. Please sven, take some hormone enhancers and grow a pair of balls, then he might just actually drop either gerrard or lampard (id have gerrard but this is a very old long argument since last season). A true manager will pick the best team 2 play together and win, not neccesarill blindly picking englands best players. gerrard and lamps is too attacking, on the break, the space at the back in enormous, a parker might just slow down any counters and protect the back 4.
Keyser Soze
20-08-2005, 16:10
thank u, i agree completely: HOLDING MIDFIELD PLAYERS ARE THE KEY!!!! look at how much appreciation makalele and gilberto get from their clubmates, it for a reason. Please sven, take some hormone enhancers and grow a pair of balls, then he might just actually drop either gerrard or lampard (id have gerrard but this is a very old long argument since last season). A true manager will pick the best team 2 play together and win, not neccesarill blindly picking englands best players. gerrard and lamps is too attacking, on the break, the space at the back in enormous, a parker might just slow down any counters and protect the back 4.
Or adapt a formation where they could all play together:
attacking 4-3-3/defending 4-5-1 (Chelsea and Man united style!)
3-5-2 (Put Ashley cole left mid with Terry,Ferdinand and Campbell at the back)
Magpie4eva
20-08-2005, 17:09
Nah I think....
Robinson
G.Neville
Ferdinand
Terry
Cole
Beckham
Lampard
Dyer/Jenas/Parker(okay im being a bit biest here)
Gerrard
Rooney
Owen
I have 2 say Downing isnt good enough to be playing for England...
Keyser Soze
20-08-2005, 17:11
Nah I think....
Robinson
G.Neville
Ferdinand
Terry
Cole
Beckham
Lampard
Dyer/Jenas/Parker(okay im being a bit biest here)
Gerrard
Rooney
Owen
I have 2 say Downing isnt good enough to be playing for England...
Nice team but how would you play it?
Have them all central or who would you have left mid?
Magpie4eva
20-08-2005, 17:16
Normal 4 defenders and Gerrard/Dyer/Jenas/Parker a bit to the left making them a sorta left midfield.
Keyser Soze
20-08-2005, 17:21
A bit too biased in my opinion :) Out of those only Parker is worth a spot in the starting line up and even that is controversial. If your going to put Dyer in the team you might aswell have J.Cole, he's the same sort of player but technically better and has improved alot on the defending aspects of the game too. Jenas is over-rated in my opinion and barely deserves a place in the squad! Oh and Carrick can also fill this role well!
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