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jedifunk
04-02-2009, 15:27
I told you he's at the South American under-20 championships :faceplm:
http://www.pesgaming.com/showpost.php?p=1428668&postcount=4237
doh! i knew that... i mentioned that already.
http://space.yland.it/milan/dem/img4feb2009-eng/dem-12mar08_ita_06.jpg
Am I a foreing supporter? :unsure:
Well do you 'Fore' a lot during matches?
If so, then yes. Yes you are.
I hope Beckham stays at milan, I dont like the idea of him playing in america...Plus it can only increase his chances of playing for england, cant it?
Thiago Silva looks good - missing some technical ability but often in the right place and getting a foot in. Quite impressed.
Mattioni looks like he's just arrived from Brazil - carefree defending which is bad when Senderos is one of the central defenders. Antonini is doing fine but I want to see more youngsters - particularly Darmian and Strasser.
Not a bad game to watch so far, really wat I wasn't expecting. Nice passing from both teams and Milan looks like a class side without barely getting out of first gear. Even Rangers don't look too shabby, an experimental team and it seems to be doing much better than the weekly dirge we usually see. Even Lee "Not a real footballer" McCulloch is doing okay. :huh:
Eric Clyde
04-02-2009, 20:48
Just one problem for you: you're effectively playing our reserves :faceplm:
Technically so are we. Kyle Lafferty, Lee McCulloch, Maurice Edu, Steven Whittaker, Steven Naismith. There is also the 17-year-old John Fleck who has only played 3 games this season but it seems that he will be a Rangers regular.
So our team consists of 5 first team players them being David Weir, Madjid Bougherra, Sasa Papac, Pedro Mendes and Allan McGregor
20:49
Not a bad game to watch so far, really wat I wasn't expecting. Nice passing from both teams and Milan looks like a class side without barely getting out of first gear. Even Rangers don't look too shabby, an experimental team and it seems to be doing much better than the weekly dirge we usually see. Even Lee "Not a real footballer" McCulloch is doing okay. :huh:
Some skill wouldn't do Shevchenko any harm would it? Darmian on now, good to see.
EDIT: Right on cue, even Christian Dailly is trying to slap some talent back into him.
21:10
That was pretty poor from Darmian and Silva, Darmian mostly though as he sold himself. Good work from Beasley though.
21:!4
Patoooooo :>
How are people watching this?
Any links would help
Phil W.A.F.C
04-02-2009, 21:20
Bollocks to that 2-bit friendly, get ITV on, F.A Cup mon.
I don't think anyone told Christian Dailly it was a friendly. :D
Our second half team has been shocking, looks like the UEFA Cup run team from last season.
Eric Clyde
04-02-2009, 21:23
How are people watching this?
Any links would help
There is only 10 minutes left but I'll PM you.
There is only 10 minutes left but I'll PM you.
Not if I did already. :D
Kaka makes it 2-1 brilliant goal.
Eric Clyde
04-02-2009, 21:27
Not if I did already. :D
Kaka makes it 2-1 brilliant goal.
Well the link I'm using is amazing quality. ;)
And yes! PAPAC! :D
Bollocks to that 2-bit friendly, get ITV on, F.A Cup mon.
So, not for the first time, why the fuck are you posting in here? Twat. I couldn't give a flying fuck about the FA Cup at the best of times.
EDIT: Good game, fair enough result. We might have dominated at times but our defending wasn't as good as yours. Nice to see some of the youngsters get a run out. They'll get locked in a cupboard between now and June.
Eric Clyde
04-02-2009, 21:35
Final score 2-2. For a friendly I thought that was a pretty decent game unlike most friendlies that end in 0-0.
Phil W.A.F.C
04-02-2009, 21:35
So, not for the first time, why the fuck are you posting in here? Twat. I couldn't give a flying fuck about the FA Cup at the best of times.
EDIT: Good game, fair enough result. We might have dominated at times but our defending wasn't as good as yours. Nice to see some of the youngsters get a run out. They'll get locked in a cupboard between now and June.
You said it yourself, cos i'm a twat.
Final score 2-2. For a friendly I thought that was a pretty decent game unlike most friendlies that end in 0-0.
Did you ever go to Rangers v Borussia Munchuengladbach a few years back? Quite possibly the worst game I'ver ever been to, never been to a Rangers friendly since and why I wasn't there tonight. Good game though, hopefully Rangers play some of the nice stuff we did in the first half in the SPL.
Eric Clyde
04-02-2009, 21:40
Did you ever go to Rangers v Borussia Munchuengladbach a few years back? Quite possibly the worst game I'ver ever been to, never been to a Rangers friendly since and why I wasn't there tonight. Good game though, hopefully Rangers play some of the nice stuff we did in the first half in the SPL.
I think I was in Tenerife when we played Monchengladbach but from what I heard it was pretty shit. I was at the Rangers v Everton friendly that ended 3-2 to Everton which was pretty decent besides the result. Other than that the other friendlies have ended in a boring draw or humiliating defeat (Arsenal 3-0 and Zenit St Petersburg 4-1).
EDIT: I was going to go today just because it was AC Milan but I haven't been feeling too great these couple of days and so I let my brother's mate go instead while I watched from the comfort of my PC chair. :rolleyes:
Anyway since I'm kind of drifting off the topic of AC Milan I think I'll bail out of here unless I want to comment on the match.
Cheers for the link 50 and Clyde i heard Fleck played well nice to see Beasley score he should be getting more of a run in the team, i'd like to see Fleck get right stuck in by playing him maybe on the right move Davis in with Mendes and have Beasley on the left that'd be nice to see completely unrealistic though. Hopefully the match will be on Rangers TV tomorrow
Don't know how true this is, but it'll be a great spectacle no doubt.
Paolo Maldini Says Yes To Italy Comeback
Legendary Milan and Italy defender Paolo Maldini admits he will return to play for the Azzurri after he heard of Goal.com's campaign to bring him back to La Nazionale for one last time.
Paolo Maldini has promised millions of fans around the world that he will wear the famous Italian jersey for one last time before he finally decides to hang up his boots.
Regular readers of Goal.com will know about our ambitious campaign to bring Maldini back into the Azzurri fold. Last week Goal.com spoke exclusively to Italy coach Marcello Lippi, who backed Il Capitano's return.
Maldini heard of the idea and he was asked by Milan Channel whether he would like one last shot. Amazingly, Il Capitano said yes.
"Wearing the Italy shirt again? Yes, it would be a pleasure. It would not be a return to the national team, but the perfect occasion to celebrate a long career with Italy, and I would be delighted to do this," Maldini stated.
"This is something which was born spontaneously and I didn't know anything about it [the Goal.com campaign].
"If and when there is the possibility of it happening then the decision will be down to Marcello Lippi as he will take into account the needs of the team. Also, the Italy fixture list is looking dense."
Italy play Brazil in a friendly in London next week and it could be the perfect occasion for Maldini to go out with a bang.
It remains to be seen whether the Rossoneri legend will turn out for Marcello Lippi at the Emirates, but fans around the world will, no doubt, be hoping that he does.
6:46
MILAN: Abbiati; Zambrotta, Bonera, Maldini, Jankulovski; Beckham, Flamini, Ambrosini; Ronaldinho; Kakà, Pato.
REGGINA: Campagnolo; Lanzaro, Valdez, Santos; Krajcik, Carmona, Cozza, Barillà, Costa; Di Gennaro, Corradi.
As I'd been hearing, Beckham may be taking over the suspended Pirlo's role and Ronaldinho starts.
8:05
Some things never change: we've easily dominated and are now 1-0 down after 33 minutes.
9:26
Poor. Dominated but only managed a 1-1 draw at home to the division's bottom side (not the first, second or even third time in recent seasons as we're making a habit of it) and Kaka limped off with just over ten minutes left. Inter are now eight points clear of us and it could be 11 after next weekend.
jedifunk
07-02-2009, 22:51
yeah, dominated is correct... 26 - 6 in shots... 73% to 27% in possession...
yet still only 1-1... this is why we are not contending for the scudetto
yeah, dominated is correct... 26 - 6 in shots... 73% to 27% in possession...
yet still only 1-1... this is why we are not contending for the scudetto
And now the injury to Kaka. If Ronaldinho doesn't step up to the plate now, he never will for us.
jedifunk
08-02-2009, 02:59
what is the status of the injury?
He's out for two weeks according to the official statement.
CDDRodrigo
08-02-2009, 14:51
He is going to miss the National Team...
Just wondering which guys will Dunga call to replace Fabiano and him...
Our former flop Ricardo Oliveira?
jedifunk
08-02-2009, 17:34
he's also been ruled out of the milan derby... thats a real blow to us.
we need dinho more than ever now to step up... i don't hold my breath, but maybe.
Alessandro Nesta’s career is hanging in the balance after his back problem flared up again, so surgery might be necessary.
The defender has barely set foot on the pitch in a year and has been undergoing specialist treatment in Miami.
He was set for the bench in the derby after putting in extra training, but it is reported his body reacted so badly to the strain that he couldn’t even get out of bed this morning.
According to the Gazzetta dello Sport, Milan are now seriously considering booking Nesta in for surgery to resolve the issue once and for all.
However, that would put the defender’s entire career at risk, as he turns 33 on March 19.
It is believed the club will decide on whether to go for the surgical option within the next week.
This is becoming heartbreaking. I've been saying all season that I don't think he'll ever be back and now I think its probably best for him if he isn't. He wants to have good quality of life once his career is over, not to have problems walking or occasional paralysis.
Mullet Taylor
14-02-2009, 00:57
fuck me. Has he always been injurey prone his career or did it happen during a match or something ? Like falling badly
I dont like hearing hearing news like that about any Footballer. Such a shame
Its been gradual over the years. He started having back injuries and they've slowly become more frequent and severe.
I'm not much of an AC Milan fan, but I would like to know what you guys think of Ronaldinho.
Are they better with him or without him??
I'm not much of an AC Milan fan, but I would like to know what you guys think of Ronaldinho.
Are they better with him or without him??
Without.
He's lazy when he loses possession, mostly walking around instead of trying to win the ball back, he often tries to do that bit too much and gets tackled and although sometimes he tries hard, things don't come off for him. Even last week he went on a good run, used some skill while dribbling and then missed where a couple of years ago he would certainly have scored. He can't play with Kaka, it just doesn't seem to work. You could partly excuse the laziness if he was still performing as he did when he peaked at Barcelona but he isn't.
His real crossroads comes tomorrow night. We have no Kaka so he'll be the central playmaking figure in the team against Inter. If he can't turn it on tomorrow night when we really ned him to, I struggle to see what future he has with us.
Without.
He's lazy when he loses possession, mostly walking around instead of trying to win the ball back, he often tries to do that bit too much and gets tackled and although sometimes he tries hard, things don't come off for him. Even last week he went on a good run, used some skill while dribbling and then missed where a couple of years ago he would certainly have scored. He can't play with Kaka, it just doesn't seem to work. You could partly excuse the laziness if he was still performing as he did when he peaked at Barcelona but he isn't.
His real crossroads comes tomorrow night. We have no Kaka so he'll be the central playmaking figure in the team against Inter. If he can't turn it on tomorrow night when we really ned him to, I struggle to see what future he has with us.
That's a good way of summing up Ronaldinho's time with Milan. They seem to play better with Beckham.
That said, I think Dinho will have a good game against Inter, but without necessarily winning the match. Without Kaka he seems to perform better.
But Kaka is a better (younger) player and a key figure for Milan, so maybe Ronaldinho haves no future with Milan.
I'm late.
INTER: Julio Cesar; Maicon, Samuel, Chivu, Santon; Zanetti, Cambiasso, Muntari, Stankovic; Ibrahimovic, Adriano.
MILAN: Abbiati, Zambrotta, Maldini, Kaladze, Jankulovski; Beckham, Pirlo, Ambrosini; Seedorf, Ronaldinho, Pato.
No surprise whatsoever in our selection. Interesting that Inter are filling their quota of one Italian with the youngster Davide Santon.
I'm late.
INTER: Julio Cesar; Maicon, Samuel, Chivu, Santon; Zanetti, Cambiasso, Muntari, Stankovic; Ibrahimovic, Adriano.
MILAN: Abbiati, Zambrotta, Maldini, Kaladze, Jankulovski; Beckham, Pirlo, Ambrosini; Seedorf, Ronaldinho, Pato.
No surprise whatsoever in our selection. Interesting that Inter are filling their quota of one Italian with the youngster Davide Santon.
Better see a Doctor.
Hansen on BBC :no:
The Messiah
15-02-2009, 19:10
Santon any good?
Santon any good?
He's very highly rated but only 18 and this will be only his fifth league appearance.
The Messiah
15-02-2009, 19:22
Nice match to be thrown into. Guess we'll see what he's made of.
Original?
15-02-2009, 19:32
Sweey, I'm sure you're happy to see Emerson is there to come off the bench! ;)
I nearly cried when I saw he was in our squad of 19 yesterday. Between him, Senderos and Dida we're guaranteed some form of total screw-up.
Its been a while since Abbiati made a huge error....:erm:
Dragonfly
15-02-2009, 19:35
Are you going to bother with the match events updates this time, Sweey?
I'll comment on things...haven't done the minute-by-minute stuff since last season. My TV is right next to my monitor so I don't miss anything by typing here.
Acquiesce
15-02-2009, 19:36
Predictions..
A.C Milan-2
Internazionale-0
Pato with both
:ohmy:
The audio is in advance of the video. Jankulovski didn't have the ball and we were being told his cross was overhit.
Trust the flares business and crowd issues to come up when this game is being covered properly in England. Jesus.
Yeah I noticed that with the audio
Basically if someone scores we'll know just before the shot has taken place :faceplm:
bloody annoying! it's like playing pes with lag
Dragonfly
15-02-2009, 19:44
The audio is in advance of the video. Jankulovski didn't have the ball and we were being told his cross was overhit.
It's getting annoying. Not only that, but it's confusing my belief that sound travels slower than light.
19:46
I think its because BBC3 is a digital channel so there's video conversion to analogue taking place which delays the transmission of the picture. Something along those lines. Seriously pissing me off but the pictures on Bet365 are about four seconds behind the BBC otherwise I'd switch.
19:51
That's poor from Seedorf and Ronaldinho, as noticed. Pato is playing up there alone half the time. Kaka would give him support if he were playing, Ronaldinho needs to get his shit together.
19:53
Stankovic should have scored! Unbelievable, thankfully.
Acquiesce
15-02-2009, 19:53
DON, book yourself, its only fair..
Bad to see Becks is first up to support Pato.
lovely slide by Ambrosini to put off Stank
Pato is way too isolated at times. Where's the support!
19:57
Pato is way too isolated at times. Where's the support!
Considering its lazy Ronaldinho and slow Seedorf, the support is nowhere to be found. Ronaldinho needs to learn to play somewhere other than down the left side all the bloody time.
Close Samuel down Ronaldinho!!! For fucks sake!
20:03
How desperate do we look going forward with Kaka not playing? The answer, very.
20:04
Poor defending both to cover the cross and to cover Adriano. Our attack isn't working properly and as much as Inter have had to defend more, they're more penetrative.
Should never have been allowed, that's handball. Don't tell me the linesman didn't see it, was right in his line of sight.
20:18
Where was the defence??! Well fucking done Galliani and Berlusconi. Spent the fucking summer trying to get Ronaldinho and ignored the defence. Ronaldinho is fucking useless and the defence is somehow worse.
Pirlo, like I said in the week, needs to fuck off soon.
20:22
Right, we're lacking creativity and don't have a creative player to bring on. The only forward option is Inzaghi. There's no Viudez, Gourcuff is doing well in France while bumbling Ronaldinho does fuck all for us and we honestly look clueless. We've not stretched them once.
Poor show from you lot so far. If you say you have even less creative players on the bench then I can't see you coming back into this unless someone on the pitch already steps up his game.
Original?
15-02-2009, 20:28
Right, we're lacking creativity and don't have a creative player to bring on. The only forward option is Inzaghi. There's no Viudez, Gourcuff is doing well in France while bumbling Ronaldinho does fuck all for us and we honestly look clueless. We've not stretched them once.
I would personally like to see Inzaghi come on for Pirlo and change the system to either 4-4-2 or a 4-3-1-2. There's nothing you can really do about Kaladze...
19:57
Considering its lazy Ronaldinho and slow Seedorf, the support is nowhere to be found. Ronaldinho needs to learn to play somewhere other than down the left side all the bloody time.
Close Samuel down Ronaldinho!!! For fucks sake!
20:03
How desperate do we look going forward with Kaka not playing? The answer, very.
20:04
Poor defending both to cover the cross and to cover Adriano. Our attack isn't working properly and as much as Inter have had to defend more, they're more penetrative.
Should never have been allowed, that's handball. Don't tell me the linesman didn't see it, was right in his line of sight.
20:18
Where was the defence??! Well fucking done Galliani and Berlusconi. Spent the fucking summer trying to get Ronaldinho and ignored the defence. Ronaldinho is fucking useless and the defence is somehow worse.
Pirlo, like I said in the week, needs to fuck off soon.
20:22
Right, we're lacking creativity and don't have a creative player to bring on. The only forward option is Inzaghi. There's no Viudez, Gourcuff is doing well in France while bumbling Ronaldinho does fuck all for us and we honestly look clueless. We've not stretched them once.
What's wrong with Flamini??
Agree about Ronaldinho and Gourcuff... this is the thing that I not like about Milan, too much importance on established stars. Riquelme would've been miles better than Ronaldinho, Gourcuff if given the chance also.
Ronaldinho seems to do the same things time and time again.. but he has given a couple of good passes today. Pato hasn't make the most of those passes, and Seedorf has also wasted a couple of them.
Anyways, the Ref fucked the match, yet more proof that Football needs Video Replays.
Poor show from you lot so far. If you say you have even less creative players on the bench then I can't see you coming back into this unless someone on the pitch already steps up his game.
I'm absolutely fuming if that's not clear. This is a disgrace as far as I'm concerned. Pirlo needs to fuck off this summer, Jankulovski has been on a downward trend this season, Zambrotta is past it, Maldini is 40, Nesta is constantly injured.
Can someone explain why Kaladze was marking Maldini when Stankovic delayed his shot at 0-0 and Ambrosini had to break his neck to make a tackle?
Who was the last player to come through our youth system and do well? I'm thinking Maldini. Coco was wank.
I would personally like to see Inzaghi come on for Pirlo and change the system to either 4-4-2 or a 4-3-1-2. There's nothing you can really do about Kaladze...
True. The only hope with Inzaghi is that Ronaldinho or Seedorf go off or we change shape entirely. It'll reduce the burden on Pato who is having to do everything himself.
What's wrong with Flamini??
Agree about Ronaldinho and Gourcuff... this is the thing that I not like about Milan, too much importance on established stars. Riquelme would've been miles better than Ronaldinho, Gourcuff if given the chance also.
Anyways, the Ref fucked the match, yet more proof that Football needs Video Replays.
Flamini hasn't bee doing amazingly according to both himself and Ancelotti yet I think he's been rather good at times when he's played.
Should have been 3-0.
Kaladze facepalm would be apt.
If we do that at the other end, Inter will get a penalty.
Dragonfly
15-02-2009, 20:52
If we do that at the other end, Inter will get a penalty.
Well, they got a free kick a few seconds later for a challenge not too dissimilar.
20:53
I just hope we don't surrender a top three position or we're in serious trouble this summer. The Scudetto is gone for us tonight and we need to stave off the challenge of Fiorentina, Genoa and Roma.
20:58
As if things aren't bad enough, don't bring fucking Senderos on!
21:05
If I may:
Patooooooooooooooooooooooooo
That is all.
game on
(double post don sweey???)
Where's our fucking penalty??! Its so bloody clear the officials have been bought.
That handball was clear and the penalty incident wasn't exactly hidden very well.
i hope inter are involved in a new match fixing scandal, do not like them at all
Original?
15-02-2009, 21:31
Fucking Ronaldinho is the laziest cunt I've ever had the misfortune to watch, Inzaghi made that goal... were he not on Pato wouldn't have got the pass. I think Ancelotti leaving Milan would be a blessing.
Ronaldinho and Pirlo leaving would be a bigger blessing if I'm honest.
Really good game. I didn't see the point of playing Pato upfront on his own. He likes to come deep and was only until Inzaghi came on Milan looked more dangerous as Inzaghi was able to drag defenders away. Pato was still your most impressive player.
I may be wrong but surely Flamini is better than Ambrosini, he was poor.
Milan had enough chances to get something out of the game. Personally, I feel a quality goal scorer should be in your summer shopping list.
Hopefully this game has convinced BBC or another British broadcaster to bid for Italian Football coverage.
Fucking Ronaldinho is the laziest cunt I've ever had the misfortune to watch, Inzaghi made that goal... were he not on Pato wouldn't have got the pass. I think Ancelotti leaving Milan would be a blessing.
You can say whatever you want about Ronaldinho, I'm Not particularly fond of him either.. but fact remains that he gave more than enough good passes today. If anything, I think Pirlo is more of a problem.
Remarkable performance by Pato, showed real character today.
Original?
15-02-2009, 21:47
You can say whatever you want about Ronaldinho, fact remains that he gave more than enough good passes today. If anything, I think Pirlo is more of a problem.
Remarkable performance by Pato, showed real character today.
He also wasted a lot of passes, furthermore he gave the ball away and then walked back as Vieira jogged by with the ball... not more than three feet away, to me that says he doesn't care anywhere near enough.
The trouble is Sweey, can you ever see Ancelotti losing faith in Pirlo? This is why I feel he needs to go, he's becoming stale in his approach. How Pirlo had the nerve to take that free kick ahead of Beckham is unbelievable, can you remember the last time he hit a good one?
Well I have a tiny glimmer of hope as Ancelotti did finally realise how useless Emerson is.
Pirlo's free-kicks: do you remember me branding him Mr "1 in 10" last season? Ronaldinho was poor, there is no argument to the contrary.
I think you guys are being too harsh on Ronaldinho, yes he is lazy but he always has been. With him I think he was too good in that spell at Barca and now that he has dropped a level he can't do anything right.
He's a different player now everyone has to accept he has lost a yard of pace and bit of fitness that he will never get back. He wont be a constant threat running at and beating defenders but what I saw today is that as a playmaker he is improving. And I don't mean by those 3 or 4 killer balls he played as he has always done that but link up play and appretiation of space is better than it was when he first went to Milan, I think he has a future in a deeper more central role. The problem with this is that in a team with Seedorf and Pirlo who are sedentary creative midfielders is he needed in such a role?
Saying that we must also remember that he is in a new league in a new team that play a very distinctive type of football so he needs time to adapt. Can he and Kaka play together? Possibly as they are different. Can he Kaka, Seedorf/Beckham, Pirlo? I don't think so.
Kaka, Seedorf, Beckham and Pirlo have already proved they can play together Cobinho so I have to assume you've not watched our last few games.
Ronaldinho deserves all the criticism he is getting.
Kaka's presence in the team affords space on the right for Beckham meaning that Pato has not had to drift to the right unlike tonight when he spent a lot of time out there. Pato usually goes over to the left and burns defenders from deep which he has been successful at doing recently. Ronaldinho can only play on the left which restricts both Kaka and Pato.
He also wasted a lot of passes, furthermore he gave the ball away and then walked back as Vieira jogged by with the ball... not more than three feet away, to me that says he doesn't care anywhere near enough.
The trouble is Sweey, can you ever see Ancelotti losing faith in Pirlo? This is why I feel he needs to go, he's becoming stale in his approach. How Pirlo had the nerve to take that free kick ahead of Beckham is unbelievable, can you remember the last time he hit a good one?
I have never thought much of Ronaldinho, not even in his Barcelona years, I think he was a bit overrated.. But today he did gave some passes that should have been goals. He also had a good play that ended with a clear goal opportunity.
I still don't like him very much because, as always, he holds the ball too much, and holds it in wide positions. It isn't that hard to hold the ball through the flanks.
There's no doubt that Kaka is the better player in present time.. I'm just saying that Ronaldinho didn't played bad, in fact I think he gave a decent performance today.
Pirlo is the one I don't get, for the past year or so he hasn't been very good.
Saying that we must also remember that he is in a new league in a new team that play a very distinctive type of football so he needs time to adapt. Can he and Kaka play together? Possibly as they are different. Can he Kaka, Seedorf/Beckham, Pirlo? I don't think so.he as in Ronaldinho.
Kaka, Seedorf, Beckham and Pirlo have already proved they can play together Cobinho so I have to assume you've not watched our last few games.
Ronaldinho deserves all the criticism he is getting.
Kaka's presence in the team affords space on the right for Beckham meaning that Pato has not had to drift to the right unlike tonight when he spent a lot of time out there. Pato usually goes over to the left and burns defenders from deep which he has been successful at doing recently. Ronaldinho can only play on the left which restricts both Kaka and Pato.
I've watched all the games this year.
The point I'm making is that nothing works with Ronaldinho. Take him out of the team and its much, much better. His early season performances, claimed by Ancelotti to be encouraging, were frankly poor in the same way he kept saying Emerson was useful when the latter did fuck all that helped us.
Its as though Ancelotti is too set in his ways - or frightened - to face reality and it continues to cost us. We were a better side when Pirlo was injured too.
Ronaldinho has spent the whole season either being lazy or trying hard with nothing coming off. His inclusion severely hampered Kaka who was employed in a deeper role which kept him well away from the opposition penalty area due to his starting position and yet Ronaldinho still could not flourish. We should be seeing definitive signs of improvement and we are not.
The point I'm making is that nothing works with Ronaldinho. Take him out of the team and its much, much better.
Yes its true that take Dinho out and put Kaka in and you have a better team(considering today's starting XI). The point I was making is Ronaldinho could perform in the same team as Kaka if Seedorf and or Pirlo was not present.
Yes its true that take Dinho out and put Kaka in and you have a better team(considering today's starting XI). The point I was making is Ronaldinho could perform in the same team as Kaka if Seedorf and or Pirlo was not present.
What, like Brazil?
Seedorf does a hell of a lot more for our balance than anyone gives him credit for.
What, like Brazil?
Seedorf does a hell of a lot more for our balance than anyone gives him credit for.
Yes like Brazil but they are a very athletic team so I'm not sure if the two can be compared. I was thinking more like the team you lot won the champions league with a couple years ago, with the front three of Seedorf, Inzaghi and Kaka. Now you could do it with Ronaldinho, Pato and Kaka.
And yes Seedorf is very good for your team. I'm just trying to say Ronaldinho is still a good player and can be of use to Milan under specific conditions.
Yes like Brazil but they are a very athletic team so I'm not sure if the two can be compared. I was thinking more like the team you lot won the champions league with a couple years ago, with the front three of Seedorf, Inzaghi and Kaka. Now you could do it with Ronaldinho, Pato and Kaka.
And yes Seedorf is very good for your team. I'm just trying to say Ronaldinho is still a good player and can be of use to Milan under specific conditions.
You cannot replace Ronaldinho with Seedorf! One of them defends and the other does not.
As for my Brazil comment its the point that Ronaldinho and Kaka cannot perform together for Brazil yet you're still saying they can and need the opportunity. Frankly, they had plenty of opportunity at international level and have been given further opportunities at Milan and it does not work. Ronaldinho needs to defend occasionally.
Its as though Ancelotti is too set in his ways - or frightened - to face reality and it continues to cost us. We were a better side when Pirlo was injured too.
Good that somebody else noticed this.. Ronaldinho was playing, and without Pirlo, it seemed to work.
But Pirlo, Seedorf, Ronaldinho, and Kaka isn't appropriate nor balanced in my opinion. It was a bad decision to sign Ronaldinho, he's a good player, but Milan didn't needed him in the 1st place.
The problem with Ronaldinho is that when he's surrounded by Other Attacking players, he likes to be the center of attention.. Dinho doesn't likes to defend, he likes to hold the ball, he likes to play to his own tune -and- most importantly, mostly plays through the Left Flank. Which doesn't helps his team mates in the best way, even more so considering Milan's system.
It isn't the same thing with tactical individuals such as Riquelme and Zidane, who know how to hold the ball in central positions, consequently buying time (and space) for their team-mates whilst at the same time keeping good positions for Ground passes.
Plus the fact that Ronaldinho isn't exactly a good replacement for neither Pirlo or Seedorf. Hopefully something good will come of it eventually.
Anyways.. I don't know if anyone remembers, but I'm still disappointed about Riquelme not joining AC Milan. Having Pato, Kaka, and Riquelme would've been something quite special. I would pay to see that.
I'm still intrigued by it, as Riquelme would have fitted perfectly into Italian Football, and with Kaka's and Pato's pace it could have been something remarkable. But then again, that whole saga was Probably just the media having a laugh.
I'm still hoping to see something similar with Kaka and Gourcuff, and Pato. Even though Gourcuff is nowhere near Riquelme IMO.
You cannot replace Ronaldinho with Seedorf! One of them defends and the other does not.
As for my Brazil comment its the point that Ronaldinho and Kaka cannot perform together for Brazil yet you're still saying they can and need the opportunity. Frankly, they had plenty of opportunity at international level and have been given further opportunities at Milan and it does not work. Ronaldinho needs to defend occasionally.
In the advanced role that Seedorf often adopted in that Champions league winning team you could swap him with Ronaldinho.
As for Brazil it hasn't worked for a sustained period of time beacause Carlos Alberto would play two out and out strikers as well as Kaka and Ronaldinho, that could never work. Were he or future Brazil managers to substitute one striker for a midfielder, Ronaldinho and Kaka could co-exist. Just as Ronaldo, Rivaldo and Ronaldinho did under Scolari or Eto', Ronaldinho and Messi/Giuly did for Rijkaard.
Ronaldinho will never defend by chasing down defenders just as he doesn't have the concentration or awareness to get in good defensive positions like Seedorf. But judging by his body language and desire to make him self available for the ball its clear he is making an effort to do well. As long as he does this eventually it could work for him at Milan.
EDIT: Amateur, your right about Ronaldinho well atleast the old Ronaldinho. My original point was that I think he has improved his playmaking qualities, since his time in Italy he has been moving the ball on much quicker, and could be that Gourcuff/Riqulme type player you suggest Milan need.
In the advanced role that Seedorf often adopted in that Champions league winning team you could swap him with Ronaldinho.
As for Brazil it hasn't worked for a sustained period of time beacause Carlos Alberto would play two out and out strikers as well as Kaka and Ronaldinho, that could never work. Were he or future Brazil managers to substitute one striker for a midfielder, Ronaldinho and Kaka could co-exist. Just as Ronaldo, Rivaldo and Ronaldinho did under Scolari or Eto', Ronaldinho and Messi/Giuly did for Rijkaard.
Ronaldinho will never defend by chasing down defenders just as he doesn't have the concentration or awareness to get in good defensive positions like Seedorf. But judging by his body language and desire to make him self available for the ball its clear he is making an effort to do well. As long as he does this eventually it could work for him at Milan.
EDIT: Amateur, your right about Ronaldinho well atleast the old Ronaldinho. My original point was that I think he has improved his playmaking qualities, since his time in Italy he has been moving the ball on much quicker, and could be that Gourcuff/Riqulme type player you suggest Milan need.
Well, Milan certainly need him to be that type of player. But that ability isn't developed just like that, I don't think Ronaldinho will ever be that creative in terms of pulling the strings.
Ronaldinho can give consistent assists and goals, but he cannot control play. He isn't that intelligent in his off-the-ball movement, strays off far too much on the left flank and doesn't offers enough support for neither the midfielders or strikers.
But maybe your right and I'm proved wrong. In my opinion Kaka and Ronaldinho will never work as well as people would hope.
Ronaldinho isn't fast anymore, meaning that Kaka would have to turn into a more offensive player -BUT- problem is that Ronaldinho doesn't knows how to dictate play, he is very lazy with his tactical variations.
So you would have to take Kaka into a deeper role, and then take Ronaldinho into that offensive role -but- problem is that Dinho isn't fast anymore, doesn't creates enough space for Pato.
Problem is that Ronaldinho cannot play neither the "Kaka role" nor the "Del Piero role". So it's always going to be complicated to accommodate him.
I guess this is why Carlo Ancelotti opted to play Beckham ahead of Ronaldinho for the past few weeks. Beckham takes one for the team and defends, he is intelligent with his running, doesn't holds the ball, and has the passing range to at least control the flow of play decently.
Instead of so much effort on Ronaldinho, I think Milan would have done better if they had signed Beckham on the cheap, right after he left Madrid. Maybe also Riquelme on the cheap, right then when Villarreal sacked him.
I see what you are saying but today when Ronaldinho had two people running off the Ball (Inzaghi and Pato) he looked far more comfortable and more importantly Milan were more effective.
I don't think Kaka and Ronaldinho could play thier natural game together as I feel both would like to play behind two strikers but because of Kaka's pace he could play further upfield as he usually has for the past two years.
Ronaldinho will ever be the type of player the whole game can go through but his awareness and ability to play quickly has improved since his move to Milan. Since Milan have played with a deep playmaker and more advance one in the past. My view is Ronaldinho could play in the role behind the two strikers with a Pirlo type player infront of the back four and two energetic midfielders in between. I suppose that would be making alot of effort for Ronaldinho but he is still a world class player and getting 100% out of him and 80% out of Kaka is not so bad?
I see what you are saying but today when Ronaldinho had two people running off the Ball (Inzaghi and Pato) he looked far more comfortable and more importantly Milan were more effective.
I don't think Kaka and Ronaldinho could play thier natural game together as I feel both would like to play behind two strikers but because of Kaka's pace he could play further upfield as he usually has for the past two years.
Ronaldinho will ever be the type of player the whole game can go through but his awareness and ability to play quickly has improved since his move to Milan. Since Milan have played with a deep playmaker and more advance one in the past. My view is Ronaldinho could play in the role behind the two strikers with a Pirlo type player infront of the back four and two energetic midfielders in between. I suppose that would be making alot of effort for Ronaldinho but he is still a world class player and getting 100% out of him and 80% out of Kaka is not so bad?
Cobinho seriously, we TRIED Kaka further back and Ronaldinho in an advanced role and it DIDN'T work. You say you've seen our games, if you had you'd know that instantly. We weren't getting 100% out of him OR 80% out of Kaka. It will not work, that's the end of it. It has cost us a title challenge and that's enough damage!
You keep going on about the ideal situation for Ronaldinho and none of them truly include Kaka who isn't often injured. What are we supposed to do, have Ronaldinho sitting on the bench every week? He needs to leave if he can't adjust and he appears unable to adjust. It is as simple as that. The whole situation leaves us with midfield problems like last night - and then there's Pirlo's shitness on top of that which on serves to give us even more problems.
This isn't the Ronaldinho of two or three years ago - I wish it was as we wouldn't be having these discussions.
We're out of the Scudetto race AGAIN. Enough is enough.
I have watched all the games this year (2009), I know Ronaldinho hasn't been starting and you've been playing well. I don't want to keep repeating myself but I'm suggested Ronaldinho in a deeper role and Kaka in the advanced one. The two of them could play together if Seedorf doesn't. Or if Seedorf would have to change his style of play. I'm not saying it has worked, I'm saying that it could, Brazil's 2002 world cup winning team and Barcelona's double winning team as examples where Ronaldinho has been part of an attacking trio.
And as for blaming your failed title challenge on Ronaldinho you know thats unfair, when your Centre backs have been two from Maldini, Kaladze, Bonera and Senderos.
I have watched all the games this year (2009), I know Ronaldinho hasn't been starting and you've been playing well. I don't want to keep repeating myself but I'm suggested Ronaldinho in a deeper role and Kaka in the advanced one. The two of them could play together if Seedorf doesn't. Or if Seedorf would have to change his style of play. I'm not saying it has worked, I'm saying that it could, Brazil's 2002 world cup winning team and Barcelona's double winning team as examples where Ronaldinho has been part of an attacking trio.
And as for blaming your failed title challenge on Ronaldinho you know thats unfair, when your Centre backs have been two from Maldini, Kaladze, Bonera and Senderos.
Ronaldinho in a deep role when he won't defend - what's the fucking point? Seedorf defends, Ronaldinho doesn't therefore Ronaldinho cannot replace Seedorf. How hard is that to understand?
The games I am talking about are from 2008 as he has thankfully been dropped regularly since Christmas which makes your whole argument massively flawed as you've watched a handful of games are attempting to draw conclusions on our entire season in a debate against me when I've watched all but one of our games this season and you've missed the period when Ronaldinho was playing most frequently.
Ronaldinho CAN'T work with Kaka so drawing examples from his Barcelona days are futile. Being part of a trio isn't Ronaldinho's problem, its the fact he can't perform alongside the team-mates he's got.
We are not a club in a position where we can't start experimenting mid-season in the hope Ronaldinho will start performing better when we already have a phenomenal player in Kaka who, thankfully, drives us more often than not. There's no sense in restructing our attacking players to accomodate Ronaldinho and hamper Kaka like we did early in the season. We were so lucky to get away with it earlier in the season I still can't believe we actually did. That luck has now run out. Tabare Viudez would have done more than Ronaldinho has and if he hadn't just been at the South American under-20 championships, I'd have wanted him to come on yesterday as he's got something special we need to nurture.
As for the blame for our season, Ronaldinho and Pirlo should shoulder a lot of responsibility for their consistently poor performances, make no mistake. The defence haven't done themselves any favours but they are not solely at fault and its about time everyone woke up to the fact starting with our deluded board who should be ashamed of themselves for the way they deal with our defensive problems.
Ronaldinho in a deep role when he won't defend - what's the fucking point? Seedorf defends, Ronaldinho doesn't therefore Ronaldinho cannot replace Seedorf. How hard is that to understand?You don't need to be that good defensively to play deep, look at Riquleme and Zidane. Yes it would be a weakness in your team but Ronaldinho has many strengths, if you look at things one dimensionally there appear more clear than they are. The only thing I don't understand is how you can be so absolute on the whole thing.
The games I am talking about are from 2008 as he has thankfully been dropped regularly since Christmas which makes your whole argument massively flawed as you've watched a handful of games are attempting to draw conclusions on our entire season in a debate against me when I've watched all but one of our games this season and you've missed the period when Ronaldinho was playing most frequently. You accused me of not watching the games where Beckham was present to which I replied I have watched all the games this year. This does not mean I never watched games from the first part of the season either, infact I have watched a few. I know it hasn't worked for Dinho yet, my point is and has been throughout this is that he has shown enough this season. Proving he is still a world class player and given the right situation could succeed as an individual and help Milan be successful as a team.
Ronaldinho CAN'T work with Kaka so drawing examples from his Barcelona days are futile. Being part of a trio isn't Ronaldinho's problem, its the fact he can't perform alongside the team-mates he's got. You will say he can't because you haven't seen it work, fair enough. I will say it can because I have seen similar situations where it has. So can we agree that the problem is the current situation, teammates, not player himself. Either that or is there something different about Kaka, Pato making it impossible for Ronaldinho to work with them like he did with Ronaldo + Rivaldo and Eto'o + Messi.
We are not a club in a position where we can't start experimenting mid-season in the hope Ronaldinho will start performing better when we already have a phenomenal player in Kaka who, thankfully, drives us more often than not. There's no sense in restructing our attacking players to accomodate Ronaldinho and hamper Kaka like we did early in the season. We were so lucky to get away with it earlier in the season I still can't believe we actually did. That luck has now run out. Tabare Viudez would have done more than Ronaldinho has and if he hadn't just been at the South American under-20 championships, I'd have wanted him to come on yesterday as he's got something special we need to nurture.
I agree, partly. Kaka must play when fit however I believe Ronaldinho has done enough this season to be given a run of games too. Why not try the two and sacrifice Seedorf, thats not taking anything away from Seedorf but if the two were to play to thier capacity there is only one winner, for me.
As for the blame for our season, Ronaldinho and Pirlo should shoulder a lot of responsibility for their consistently poor performances, make no mistake. The defence haven't done themselves any favours but they are not solely at fault and its about time everyone woke up to the fact starting with our deluded board who should be ashamed of themselves for the way they deal with our defensive problems.I think everyone in your team can accept some blame from Abbiati to Zambrotta.
You don't need to be that good defensively to play deep, look at Riquleme and Zidane. Yes it would be a weakness in your team but Ronaldinho has many strengths, if you look at things one dimensionally there appear more clear than they are. The only thing I don't understand is how you can be so absolute on the whole thing.
We wouldn't have enough cover in midfield. Stop.
You accused me of not watching the games where Beckham was present to which I replied I have watched all the games this year. This does not mean I never watched games from the first part of the season either, infact I have watched a few. I know it hasn't worked for Dinho yet, my point is and has been throughout this is that he has shown enough this season. Proving he is still a world class player and given the right situation could succeed as an individual and help Milan be successful as a team.
Its pretty clear you haven't watched as many games as you claim to have.
I agree, partly. Kaka must play when fit however I believe Ronaldinho has done enough this season to be given a run of games too. Why not try the two and sacrifice Seedorf, thats not taking anything away from Seedorf but if the two were to play to thier capacity there is only one winner, for me.
Seedorf was dropped early in the season and the results were frightening - for us. Remember how we started the season? Remember how those results came about?
I think everyone in your team can accept some blame from Abbiati to Zambrotta.
No fucking chance, that's bollocks. There are about five players excluding Nesta who has been out all season that are completely clear of all blame. Again, you've clearly not watched as much of us as you claim. If you have, I am scared for you as to how you've come to such conclusions.
We wouldn't have enough cover in midfield. Stop.
Its pretty clear you haven't watched as many games as you claim to have.
Seedorf was dropped early in the season and the results were frightening - for us. Remember how we started the season? Remember how those results came about?
No fucking chance, that's bollocks. There are about five players excluding Nesta who has been out all season that are completely clear of all blame. Again, you've clearly not watched as much of us as you claim. If you have, I am scared for you as to how you've come to such conclusions.
Well my intention throughout this has been to understand your and others' point of view and make mine. Yours has been to discredit my point and make your own, these are not conditions for healthy debate. I don't think having a great sense of pride when you argue is productive, everyone is wrong sometimes. I HAVE watched a few games, enough to make my opinion it is different to yours thats life. You can't claim my reason for seeing things different is that I'm not qualified to make judgment, which you indirectly have by suggesting I have lied about the amount of games I've watched.
I'm only saying what I have seen to be true. Everyone sees things differently YOU must first accept this or its pointless for you to debate anything with anyone.
Well my intention throughout this has been to understand your and others' point of view and make mine. Yours has been to discredit my point and make your own, these are not conditions for healthy debate. I don't think having a great sense of pride when you argue is productive, everyone is wrong sometimes. I HAVE watched a few games, enough to make my opinion it is different to yours thats life. You can't claim my reason for seeing things different is that I'm not qualified to make judgment, which you indirectly have by suggesting I have lied about the amount of games I've watched.
I'm only saying what I have seen to be true. Everyone sees things differently YOU must first accept this or its pointless for you to debate anything with anyone.
You're saying it yourself - one minute you've watched all the 2009 games, then you've most of our games this season and now you've only watched a few games. Which is it?
I've no problem with someone's opinion being different from mine. I have problem with people being blatantly wrong.
You're claiming that a functional unit - our attack without Ronaldinho which suffers only due to our inept defence which we all know must be improved - needs to change with the sole intention of hoping against hope he'll fit in when he's shown nothing to support the notion at all. That's further damaging to our club who are in a precarious enough position as it is.
You're saying it yourself - one minute you've watched all the 2009 games, then you've most of our games this season and now you've only watched a few games. Which is it?
I've no problem with someone's opinion being different from mine. I have problem with people being blatantly wrong.
You're claiming that a functional unit - our attack without Ronaldinho which suffers only due to our inept defence which we all know must be improved - needs to change with the sole intention of hoping against hope he'll fit in when he's shown nothing to support the notion at all. That's further damaging to our club who are in a precarious enough position as it is.
It seems you see what you want. I have wached all games this year (2009) and few games before that, these statements are not conflicting, so to say I've watched a few games this season is the truth. Where did I say I've watched most games this season? Don't put words in my mouth.
You do have a problem with my opinion as you have just admitted. You say this is due to it being blatantly wrong. Then with that last paragraph effectively put words in my mouth that I have never expressed. If my opinion is blatanly wrong please prove this by quoting a statement of mine and coming up with a point against this. Instead of claiming that I'm lying or putting words in my mouth.
It seems you see what you want. I have wached all games this year (2009) and few games before that, these statements are not conflicting, so to say I've watched a few games this season is the truth. Where did I say I've watched most games this season? Don't put words in my mouth.
You do have a problem with my opinion as you have just admitted. You say this is due to it being blatantly wrong. Then with that last paragraph effectively put words in my mouth that I have never expressed. If my opinion is blatanly wrong please prove this by quoting a statement of mine and coming up with a point against this. Instead of claiming that I'm lying or putting words in my mouth.
I have a problem with an ill-informed opinion based on an unacceptable level of knowledge. Who wouldn''t? I think it serves me well to note this isn't the first time you've been involved in "debates" which have gone this way on the forum. That repeated pattern could, theoretically, suggest something not working correctly at your end.
Stop talking about your damn mouth as well. This is a thread about Milan, not what you do and do not stick in your mouth or would happily accept.
On to actual real news:
Reports in Italy, supporting earlier reports from the weekend, claim that Alessandro Nesta will indeed have an operation in a bid to finally cure his back problem. I just don't feel he will return.
You never know, i'm sure they'll get the top surgeons to work on him...It will indeed be a shame if he doesn't return
I only caught the first half of the game but someone posted saying this hopefully will attract someone to show more Italian games, i've been watching a few the past two weeks and i've been impressed with the pace i think people too easily jump to the conclusion it's slow building play all the time, when it's not.
On the subject of Milan though, Don what is the loan agreement with Gourcuff can he be called back at any time? I saw him in i think his Debut for France v Argentina he looked like one of the best players on the park and i caught a glimpse of a goal in Ligue 1 against PSG total cracker of a goal, he looks tremendous.
Gourcoooooooooooooof!
uA - 1905
16-02-2009, 20:05
Gourcuff should be called back as soon as possible.
Regarding Beckham, given that he's 33, isn't he eligible for that rule that automatically sets the player's fee to the money he earned in the previous season? I'm sure it's something along those lines but I couldn't really find the words for it.
I only caught the first half of the game but someone posted saying this hopefully will attract someone to show more Italian games, i've been watching a few the past two weeks and i've been impressed with the pace i think people too easily jump to the conclusion it's slow building play all the time, when it's not.
Some of the games can be but they tend to be the games between the "lesser" sides - I generally won't watch Torino games as I find them quite boring. Good to know you've enjoyed what you've seen though.
On the subject of Milan though, Don what is the loan agreement with Gourcuff can he be called back at any time? I saw him in i think his Debut for France v Argentina he looked like one of the best players on the park and i caught a glimpse of a goal in Ligue 1 against PSG total cracker of a goal, he looks tremendous.
Gourcoooooooooooooof!
Bordeaux can sign him permanently for around £13m which includes £1.5m for the loan deal which they still haven't paid us for. If they meet the valuation, we are powerless to stop them completing the deal. Ancelotti showed little faith in Gourcuff which only served to severely dent the latter's confidence. Even now, they appear to have issues with one another reading between the lines of their statements although I can see exactly where Gourcuff would be coming from as Ancelotti didn't give him enough of a chance in the first place.
Gourcuff should be called back as soon as possible.
Regarding Beckham, given that he's 33, isn't he eligible for that rule that automatically sets the player's fee to the money he earned in the previous season? I'm sure it's something along those lines but I couldn't really find the words for it.
Not sure about that actually. I'm aware of some sort of rule although it may stipulate something about when you signed the contract in the first place.
You don't need to be that good defensively to play deep, look at Riquleme and Zidane. Yes it would be a weakness in your team but Ronaldinho has many strengths, if you look at things one dimensionally there appear more clear than they are. The only thing I don't understand is how you can be so absolute on the whole thing.
I get what your saying, and yes Ronaldinho does at times shows encouraging signs, but that creative ability is something your born with. You cannot develop that ability just like that.
Players like Riquelme, Zidane, Valderrama.. if you watch Complete Matches of them, you'll see that in fact they run a lot. They appear to be much slower than they actually are, they seem lazy at times, but they cover the pitch very intelligently.
Which is something that I've never seen Ronaldinho doing. Dinho always seems to do too much, at times he complicates things with his flashy skills, strays too much on the left flank, and most importantly he has lost a lot of pace -and- Dinho depended heavily on his pace. If he ever does adjust, I don't think he'll do it anytime soon.
Riquelme, as slow as he may appear, he makes a defenders job a lot easier, Walter Samuel and Marcos Senna amongst others have said the same thing "Riquelme makes our job a lot easier". But players like Riquelme need a good Defensive Midfielder to give them the ball. Something that neither Pirlo or Seedorf can do well enough.
Maybe if they give him (Ronaldinho) enough time, he'll get there. But it seems a bit unfair, considering they didn't gave enough chances to Gourcuff, who haves more future than Ronaldinho.
Reports in Italy, supporting earlier reports from the weekend, claim that Alessandro Nesta will indeed have an operation in a bid to finally cure his back problem. I just don't feel he will return.
That's sad. Probably the best of his generation. It's worrying too because Rio has had the same recurring back problems over the past year or so, not to the same extent but they've been getting worse.
16/02
That's sad. Probably the best of his generation. It's worrying too because Rio has had the same recurring back problems over the past year or so, not to the same extent but they've been getting worse.
2006 World Cup aside, I've always considered Nesta a better defender than Cannavaro. He was also a landmark signing for us - the first time we actually felt our defence was really safe since the retirement of Franco Baresi.
I'm fairly sure Rio won't reach the injury levels of Nesta although its the back and as you say, they're getting worse. I'm genuinely concerned Nesta will suffer paralysis or the like later in life due to these injuries and would rather for his own sake he retired now instead of risking another, perhaps more serious, back injury.
18/02
WERDER BREMEN: Wiese, Fritz, Mertesacker, Naldo, Boenisch, Tziolis, Baumann, Ozil, Diego, Pizarro, Almeida.
AC MILAN: Dida, Bonera, Senderos, Favalli, Zambrotta, Flamini, Pirlo, Ambrosini, Seedorf, Ronaldinho, Inzaghi.
Dida, Flamini, Ronaldinho and Inzaghi start as expected.
EDIT: How Werder Bremen aren't ahead inside 60 seconds I'll never know!
EDIT 2: Pirlo just surrendered possession inside his own half :faceplm: - thankfully Almeida shot wide, just like I do in FIFA.
Adammce05
18-02-2009, 19:50
16/02
2006 World Cup aside, I've always considered Nesta a better defender than Cannavaro. He was also a landmark signing for us - the first time we actually felt our defence was really safe since the retirement of Franco Baresi.
I'm fairly sure Rio won't reach the injury levels of Nesta although its the back and as you say, they're getting worse. I'm genuinely concerned Nesta will suffer paralysis or the like later in life due to these injuries and would rather for his own sake he retired now instead of risking another, perhaps more serious, back injury.
18/02
WERDER BREMEN: Wiese, Fritz, Mertesacker, Naldo, Boenisch, Tziolis, Baumann, Ozil, Diego, Pizarro, Almeida.
AC MILAN: Dida, Bonera, Senderos, Favalli, Zambrotta, Flamini, Pirlo, Ambrosini, Seedorf, Ronaldinho, Inzaghi.
Dida, Flamini, Ronaldinho and Inzaghi start as expected.
EDIT: How Werder Bremen aren't ahead inside 60 seconds I'll never know!
EDIT 2: Pirlo just surrendered possession inside his own half :faceplm: - thankfully Almeida shot wide, just like I do in FIFA.
Take it yous havent started the best ? :P.
19:53
Settled down a bit more and Flamini had a good shot saved a moment ago. I really do think this tie could end up as stupidly as 7-6. We're both poor defensively and much better going forward. Could quite easily be 2-2 just 17 minutes into the first leg.
20:12
1-0, Inzaghi!! The cross came from Flamini, who has looked good.
Phil W.A.F.C
18-02-2009, 20:15
Inzaghi does it again :cool:. I love that man.
19/02:
God dammit. Diego
He was a total cunt during the game, diving repeatedly and feigning injury. They were the better side though and deserved something from the game.
22/02:
13:28
Our attacking injuries taking their toll. Borriello out for the season, Kaka and Shevchenko out of this game and Ronaldinho and Pato seemingly not fit to start means Inzaghi starts with Janulovski wide left in midfield, Beckham wide right and Seedorf as the only central support player. Viudez is on the bench but I think Ancelotti has gone with one striker in the hope of bringing on Pato or Ronaldinho should we need more attacking threat and leaving Tabare on the bench.
MILAN: Abbiati; Zambrotta, Bonera, Maldini, Favalli; Pirlo, Flamini, Jankulovski; Beckham, Seedorf, Inzaghi.
CAGLIARI: Marchetti; Pisano, Canini, Lopez, Matheu; Fini, Conti, Biondini; Cossu; Jeda, Acquafresca.
16:40
Shit game, very lucky result, awful substitutions. Viudez wasn't used despite our attacking play being woeful and he was the only attacking player on the bench due to Borriello, Shevchenko, Ronaldinho and Kaka being injured and Pato...well either carrying a small injury or being rested for the Werder Bremen game.
Bonera is probably out of the Bremen game with injury too. Cossu deserved to score but his brilliant second-half strike hit the post and Acquafresca twice should've scored from close range in the first half.
Why we named seven substitutes I've no idea when no matter how badly things went, Viudez was never going to get on the pitch. Inzaghi, who can't last 90 minutes, was eventually substituted after 86 and it unfortunately cme as no surprise to find him replaced by Massimo Ambrosini. Its a shame the Milan fans in the stadium didn't show even more disgust though their feelings were made clear regardless.
CDDRodrigo
22-02-2009, 22:26
"Just" 12 points.
What a terrible game. Thank god we won. Abbiati needs a drink on me right now.
What's more alarming: the fact Viudez wasn't used or the fact Ancelotti doesn't even realise that is why the fans are fed up?
CDDRodrigo
23-02-2009, 19:58
What's more alarming: the fact Viudez wasn't used or the fact Ancelotti doesn't even realise that is why the fans are fed up?
The fact Ancelotti is old. In charge of Milan, that is.
Wasn't even sure if I should mention this but wht the hell:
I'm sure most of us have heard that the same group who own Manchester City are, according to one newspaper in Italy, interested in acquiring a 40% stake in us and putting around £455m into the club.
The report claimed that Berlusconi's daughter (whose name escapes me) had given the go-ahead for talks as she is the president of Finnivest, the group of Berlusconi's that directly own us, and unhappy with the losses the club makes. Silvio is supposedly tired of bailing us out financially as well.
The club, along with Finnivest, made an official announcement this morning denying the report was true. Personally I'd like to see ownership change but I'd want the owners to remain Italian.
Dragonfly
24-02-2009, 13:34
If this is all down to money, couldn't Berlusconi levy an AC Milan tax on the nation?
24/02:
If this is all down to money, couldn't Berlusconi levy an AC Milan tax on the nation?
:chanlaugh: surprised he hasn't done that already come to think of it...
26/02:
Fucking hell, when I saw the headline I thought Silvio himself was dead.
There will be a minute's silence at this evening's UEFA Cup clash between Milan and Werder Bremen in memory of Silvio Berlusconi's sister.
The Rossoneri face their German opponents with the tie evenly poised at 1-1 after the first leg.
But the club's preparations for the game have been overshadowed by the death of the sister of club patron Berlusconi.
La Gazzetta dello Sport reports that Maria Antonietta Berlusconi had a seizure and ambulance crews were unable to revive her.
"All of Milan as well as the club's directors and staff have come together to sympathise with our President and his family after the loss of Maria Antonietta," a statement on the Diavolo's website reads.
"The thoughts of all Milan fans will also be with the Berlusconi family today."
Don't know what Frings was doing, though Beckham's free kick looked on target.
Great pen by Pirlo.
Bishop, which stream are you watching??
Mine lost video so I know Pato got the second but don't understand what happened as its foreign commentary.
Yeah mine went too. was using www.atdhe.net
Same stream as me, different URL. We need to keep a clean sheet. If Werder Bremen score we'll shit ourselves and give them chances to equalise.
Seems to be working again. For the time the stream wasn't working, I heard Senderos was sublime.
Just seen Pato's goal, what a strike.
Seems to be working again. For the time the stream wasn't working, I heard Senderos was sublime.
Just seen Pato's goal, what a strike.
Yeah did you see his shit clearance straight into the stands about two minutes ago? Talk about slicing it.
And no, he didn't intend to slice it :tongue:
21:23
We'll lose the match. Going out now as it is, especially with Shevchenko in attack.
21:37
Its over, we're out.
Surprised? No. Fed up? Yes. Dida, Senderos, Shevchenko useless? Yes. Beckham poor again? Yes. Carlo clueless playing Flamini as a left winger? Oh yes.
Carlo out please.
Was constant Bremen pressure in the 2nd half, so like you say, not a surprise. Agree about Flamini. Milan of old wouldn't have let that lead slip.
You'll be back in the competition after Pizarro's drug test comes back positive.
You'll be back in the competition after Pizarro's drug test comes back positive.
Ancelotti's had better be positive after the stunts he pulled today. As if what he's lately wasn't bad enough, his decisions against Cagliari on the weekend were abysmal and now he's surpassed even that
Despite it being unlikely for us to let him go one way or another mid-season, all of our potential replacements are available right now.
To make things worse, you've got Samp on Sunday.......
Who would you like to see come in if Ancelotti is sacked, Sweey?
I bet he ends up our coach in the summer :(
Who would you like to see come in if Ancelotti is sacked, Sweey?
I bet he ends up our coach in the summer :(
I don't know.
I'm not sure. Tassotti? Leonardo? Fucks sake, Rijkaard? :faceplm:
wrathchild_uk
26-02-2009, 23:04
I know its probably aload of shite...but one of the guys off that revista prog on sky was saying theres a good Rijkaard will join Milan..
I know its probably aload of shite...but one of the guys off that revista prog on sky was saying theres a good Rijkaard will join Milan..
Well he's one of four: Tassotti, Leonardo, Rijkaard and, how could I forget, Donadoni (:faceplm:?). One of those will take over in the summer if not sooner.
mufcsean
27-02-2009, 00:07
24/02:
:chanlaugh: surprised he hasn't done that already come to think of it...
26/02:
Fucking hell, when I saw the headline I thought Silvio himself was dead.
:chanlaugh: Same here
New poll added :>
I'm going with Prandelli followed by Leonardo/Tassotti. Donadoni could work given his success with Livorno although his time at Italy has concerned me a lot. Rijkaard would probably be my last choice.
nath_scfc
28-02-2009, 13:37
For the poll, Marcel Desailly. :smug:
For the poll, Franco Baresi. Last I heard he was a youth coach but I have no idea how well/bad he's doing so it's an uneducated suggestion.
He could be your Guardiola.
wrathchild_uk
28-02-2009, 20:45
Maldini for player manager.. :ninja:
uA - 1905
28-02-2009, 20:55
Signor Terim.
CDDRodrigo
01-03-2009, 00:44
Rijkaard for me.
SAMPDORIA: Castellazzi, Raggi, Lucchini, Accardi, Stankevicius, Sammarco, Palombo, Franceschini, Pieri, Pazzini, Cassano.
MILAN: Abbiati, Zambrotta, Bonera, Senderos, Antonini, Beckham, Pirlo, Flamini, Jankulovski, Seedorf, Pato.
One striker backed up by Seedorf = bad. Flamini and Antonini starting = good.
Cassano and Pazzini could cause some problems. Flamini starting is good for you, but I don't think Samp will be able to handle Senderos.
Cassano and Pazzini could cause some problems. Flamini starting is good for you, but I don't think Samp will be able to handle Senderos.
He's can't even handle himself sometimes. Liable to get sent off today given the trickery of Cassano.
Dragonfly
01-03-2009, 14:32
I thought it crossed the line on first viewing.
EDIT: Definitely did.
Meyyappan
01-03-2009, 15:13
Would you like wenger?
Would you like wenger?
In the nicest possible way: fuck off, no :>
Ancelotti really needs to go: Seedorf behind one striker is always going to be a disaster but when Pato was having to come back into the Milan half to get possession and we looked completely devoid of ideas going forward, you knew things were bad.
Why was Antonini taken off for Inzaghi at half-time? Definitely needed a second striker on but why Antonini?? We're 2-0 down now and look, if possible, even more lost than we did in the first half. Beckham and Seedorf are absolutely awful today.
Great finish from Pazzini. Was all Milan in the last 20 minutes, nearly an unlikely hero in Emerson. What the fuck was that mess of a free kick at the end?
Great finish from Pazzini. Was all Milan in the last 20 minutes, nearly an unlikely hero in Emerson. What the fuck was that mess of a free kick at the end?
I'm still trying to work that one out.
The substituions were, in general, non-sensical. Favalli for Jankulovski when 2-0 down and yet Ancelotti nearly got away with it: Favalli got the assist to Pato and Emerson, another substitute, had an equaliser disallowed for offside.
We've gotten lucky with Fiorentina and Genoa only drawing - plus it'll be a shock if Roma avoid routine defeat tonight - but still, we are absolutely shit.
Great goals from Sampdoria.
CDDRodrigo
01-03-2009, 22:31
Things are getting far too much worse. The way the defense is, titus bramble could be a nice sign :lol:
Things are getting far too much worse. The way the defense is, titus bramble could be a nice sign :lol:
Senderos-Bonera isn't going to be particularly strong when they're both at the peak of their respective ability, let alone on an average day.
Don't say Bramble too loudly, Galliani is probably looking for more cheap reinforcements.
* Beckham Praise And Ronaldinho Ire From Ancelotti:
"On the field Beckham is the first to see everything. His vision is better now than when he played at Manchester United.
"He is slower than Kaka, but he is tactically and technically better and is also very intelligent and hard working."
"Players like (Ronaldinho) him do everything based on talent. I have trained a variety of magnificent players and the majority think that they can make the difference with their talent alone," he continued.
"That is not true In the modern game if you do not stay in great physical condition and are not working in training then it is hard to shine during matches.
"[Paolo] Maldini has been a pro for 20 years and has never ever complained while training.
"[Seedorf] is one of the most important players. He is like a 4x4 and wherever he plays he never loses his level. He always does his job very well."
"(Gourcuff) I do not know if he will come back to Milan. He is a good player, but he had problems. He wanted to prove himself a lot and that hindered what he gave to the side,"
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Why is Ancelotti so negative towards Gourcuff??
He needs to stop kissing Beckham's arse. He's right to criticise Ronaldinho though.
Hernan Crespo claims there's a possibility of him making his "dream move" in the summer and won't deny it could well be us. We do need a target man, you'd just think we'd stop trying to re-create past successes after the Shevchenko debacle.
Why is Ancelotti so negative towards Gourcuff??
He's right about the lack of mental strength but I believe there's a deeper problem between the two of them as he simply refuses to praise Gourcuff without pointing out something negative.
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Kakha Kaladze is out for the rest of the season, joining Marco Borriello.
Alessandro Nesta remains injured and yet to feature this season whilst Zeljko Kalac, Felipe Mattioni, Massimo Ambrosini, Gennaro Gattuso, Kaka and Ronaldinho are also still out.
MilanLab - clearly not doing a good job.
TheBishop will be happy, as I guess they'll be more chances for Senderos.
"He is slower than Kaka, but he is tactically and technically better and is also very intelligent and hard working."
It seems a thing a pundit would say - as a coach, should you compare your players abilities in public?
Don, how many years do reckon Seedorf still has in him playing for Milan? We vied for him a few years back; I can't see it happening while Van Basten is still in charge and if nothing out of the ordinary happens he'll be for quite a while.
But the odds of nothing out of the ordinary happening here....slim.
3/03:
TheBishop will be happy, as I guess they'll be more chances for Senderos.
God I hope not, he's a joke.
It seems a thing a pundit would say - as a coach, should you compare your players abilities in public?
Don, how many years do reckon Seedorf still has in him playing for Milan? We vied for him a few years back; I can't see it happening while Van Basten is still in charge and if nothing out of the ordinary happens he'll be for quite a while.
But the odds of nothing out of the ordinary happening here....slim.
If I were in Ancelotti's position I'd welcome Gourcuff back and use Seedorf about half as much next season. I think by 34 he'll be pretty much finished - he's pretty slow now and his attitude means he'll never settle for being a regular substitute.
Could Seedorf possibly move to PSV sometime? Or even AZ? Not sure if Van Gaal likes him or not though, probably doesn't. Clearly Feyenoord is out of the question.
4/03:
We beat Al-Sadd 2-1 in a friendly over in Qatar a little while ago with goals from Alexandre Pato and Luca Antonini. The starting line-up was:
Abbiati; Antonini, Maldini, Thiago Silva, Favalli; Beckham, Emerson, Cardacio, Jankulovski; Pato, Shevchenko.
3/03:
If I were in Ancelotti's position I'd welcome Gourcuff back and use Seedorf about half as much next season. I think by 34 he'll be pretty much finished - he's pretty slow now and his attitude means he'll never settle for being a regular substitute.
Could Seedorf possibly move to PSV sometime? Or even AZ? Not sure if Van Gaal likes him or not though, probably doesn't. Clearly Feyenoord is out of the question.
Not unless PSV fix their financial problems overnight. I'm not expecting Seedorf to cut his salary to come to PSV, but AZ could well be there if he were to be available. Though as far as spending goes, that is more our thing; PSV will count on the return of Van Bommel, Ooijer and Bouma and they won't come cheap either when it comes to salary and AZ will be more and more fixed on dethroning Ajax as the nr. 1 youth academy - and if Schaars, Martens and De Zeeuw don't leave Van Gaal won't need him.
As for the poll; I have little faith in Donadoni's qualities, Frank Rijkaard - though obviously familiar with the ins and outs of Milan - seems to have a radically different playing style plus he clashed with Ronaldinho before but I can see Prandelli taking over.
Tassotti - I certainly hope his coaching style is different from his playing style! But he's close to the team now; I feel Milan need a fresher face but it could work out. You could also blame Uncle Fester for not spending the money where he should have.
Leonardo - He has an eye for talent obviously, but I can't really comment on his coaching abilities.
Original?
04-03-2009, 19:40
Donadoni; Prandelli would be better for you lot but I'd prefer him to stay at Fiorentina.
I get the feeling that Kaka won't be a "consistent" player again. He seems battered at such a young age, always injured or not 100% fit for the past 2 seasons.
Milan must look for another player that can manage Kaka's Role. Milan is too dependant on Kaka right now, and Kaka is missing a lot of games due to injury.. this is seriously limiting Milan's chances.
Why they signed Ronaldinho still puzzles me.. what where they expecting ?
I get the feeling that Kaka won't be a "consistent" player again. He seems battered at such a young age, always injured or not 100% fit for the past 2 seasons.
Milan must look for another player that can manage Kaka's Role. Milan is too dependant on Kaka right now, and Kaka is missing a lot of games due to injury.. this is seriously limiting Milan's chances.
Why they signed Ronaldinho still puzzles me.. what where they expecting ?
Money in the bank from merchandising I would suspect.
Beckham is staying with us until the end of the season. If he starts performing again then fine but his performances from the Milan derby until now haven't been all that good and it concerns me that he, like Seedorf, is an automatic choice in midfield regardless of form.
Seedorf does do a wide-ranging role for us but its something others could learn to do if given the chance so whilst he is important to the team, not when he's performing so poorly.
Mullet Taylor
06-03-2009, 18:58
beckham will burn out surely, if all goes well it'll be like an 18 month season for him, with all the flying and risk of injury. i'll be surprised if he makes the world cup
good deal for milan, beckham will still be up there shirt sales wise i reckon
beckham will burn out surely, if all goes well it'll be like an 18 month season for him, with all the flying and risk of injury. i'll be surprised if he makes the world cup
good deal for milan, beckham will still be up there shirt sales wise i reckon
Bad when you consider all they do now is hoard the money in the boardroom or buy wank with it (Ronaldinho).
We're being told we won't get a high profile replacement for Maldini. Fine so long as we don't end up with that bender Senderos trying to replicate the good old days and failing miserably.
Nesta*, Thiago Silva, Kaladze and Bonera.
With Nesta's career not certain, Thiago Silva not tested and Bonera not being the quality you need, I think it's important you buy another centre back.
Nesta*, Thiago Silva, Kaladze and Bonera.
With Nesta's career not certain, Thiago Silva not tested and Bonera not being the quality you need, I think it's important you buy another centre back.
You forgot Senderos?
Mullet Taylor
06-03-2009, 20:58
AC fans dont need to worry. i hear Milan are lining up a bid to bring in Vidic.... in 13 years time when Vidic is past it. Only time they'd get their hands on him :p
CDDRodrigo
06-03-2009, 21:32
You forgot Senderos?
He said center backs, not idiots.
You forgot Senderos?
I didn't include him, as I'm thinking about next season and don't expect Milan to make the deal permanent.
He said center backs, not idiots.
:lol:
I didn't include him, as I'm thinking about next season and don't expect Milan to make the deal permanent.
Ahh ok, if they don't bring anyone else in, they'll have to keep him thought won't they?
Ahh ok, if they don't bring anyone else in, they'll have to keep him thought won't they?
No. He's fucking awful.
UujtDFlwSaw
Just re-living old times, possibly my favourite player of all time, firstly seeing him for PSG each week on good old Eurogoals then moving to Milan. What a player he was. Well before he ended up playing on the wing anyways for Zaccharoni. :unsure:
UujtDFlwSaw
Just re-living old times, possibly my favourite player of all time, firstly seeing him for PSG each week on good old Eurogoals then moving to Milan. What a player he was. Well before he ended up playing on the wing anyways for Zaccharoni. :unsure:
Always great to see and you're spot on. Zaccheroni wrecked everything just to accommodate Bierhoff.
We're 1-0 up so far today, Inzaghi after seven minutes from a Jankulovski cross after Zambrotta's awful shot got deflected following a blocked Beckham cross. Due to the absence of Ronaldinho, Kaka and Seedorf with injury, Beckham is our playmaker today :huh:
That last goal was beautiful.
Dragonfly
08-03-2009, 16:35
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/4296/inzaghi.jpg
All left footed.
Senderos = Clean Sheets = Dirty Bed Sheets.
Viudez finally got on - and five seconds later we heard the final whistle. Should've been brought on after the third.
Silly mistakes which went unpunished but really happy for Inzaghi that he got a hat-trick and the result was good.
CDDRodrigo
08-03-2009, 17:23
Brilliant Inzaghi. Great performance by Zambrotta and Abbiati.
Phil W.A.F.C
08-03-2009, 20:01
Pippo Inzaghi :wub:. I hope to see Milan in the European Cup again next season. It's not the same without them and those who don't agree are off there tits.
Beck on till end of the season? Not bad I guess. Maybe we can get better come the end of the season in the transfer market, like more outside midfielders.
AgentZero
09-03-2009, 23:27
yeah?! Apparantely vidic and evans better...please just take out our core defenders....:ninja:not
Mullet Taylor
10-03-2009, 00:45
vidic and evans are too young for milan. Either young with full of hope or old and past it is the milan way ! :P
Milan would have no chance of getting them anyway, definitely both together. If Fergie wants to keep them, the matter is closed.
Mullet Taylor
10-03-2009, 00:51
unless Vidic spits his dummy and a repeat of the Staam happens there is no way in hell Milan will get him. Vidic is more important than Rio now i think
3-0 up at Siena with an hour gone.
Pirlo with an early penalty after Flamini was fouled in the area, nothing special in the rest of the first half but Inzaghi left-footed a Beckham corner in at the stroke of half-time for his 299th career goal. Kaka made his return from injury at the start of the second half and has opened the game up totally. Pato made it 3-0 with an incredible strike after 55 minutes and within 120 seconds, Kaka put the ball over from seven yards when he simply had to score.
Looking very nice in the second half. So far.
EDIT: 3-1, Maccarone. Awful goalkeeping from Dida who replaced the injured Abbiati early in the match.
CDDRodrigo
15-03-2009, 17:27
5x1. Impressive.
15/03:
16:29
Impressive indeed. Except Kaka is injured again - Ronaldinho had to replace him late on.
Ronaldinho set up Pato for the fifth which should do his confidence some good. Kaka's injury shouldn't be too serious but he may be out for another week or two now.
18:00
Abbiati could be out for up to six months after a suspected rupture of the liagments in his right knee.
Nelson Dida to prevent our CL qualification?
18/03:
"We absolutely won't be signing a new goalkeeper for next year. Nelson Dida and Zeljko Kalac won us the Champions League and the World Club Cup so we will wait for Christian Abbiati to recover with those two between the posts."
Fuck. Off.
Mjällharth
18-03-2009, 18:44
Damn you lot have the definition of morbid management over there. My condolences.
Need them to. They're all fucking stupid, clearly.
Anyway, we continue to be linked with Cagliari goalkeeper Federico Marchetti who claims to have a meeting with the club tomorrow to find out if our interest in him is serious or simply newspaper talk.
Galliani is known for saying we're not signing anyone to put everyone off the scent as we negotiate a move in order to avoid a bidding war but quite honestly he's dense enough to trust Dida and Kalac for another season.
Original?
23-03-2009, 10:22
Napoli Ultras attacked Milan Vice-President Adriano Galliani and trashed his car as he left the San Paolo last night.
Galliani had just watched Milan draw 0-0 with Napoli and was on his way to the airport when his car was stopped by around 50 Ultras.
The Ultras refused to let him pass and began to throw stones at his car, breaking a window and prompting his police escort to call for back up.
Fears for Galliani's safety increased when the car got a puncture, leaving it even more exposed to attacks.
Galliani did reach the airport in time, though. He boarded the plane chartered by Milan and discussed the game with Carlo Ancelotti.
Napoli fans were aggrieved when Marek Hamsik had a valid goal disallowed for offside after 37 minutes.
Tensions rose throughout the game and a Molotov cocktail was thrown at Milan fans. Luckily it failed to explode.
Napoli Ultras looking to do you a favour? :erm:
Stadium ban for Napoli coming up - again. Probably did Italian football a favour by being knocked out of Europe so early by Benfica as they're worse than Roma.
The car carrying Galliani got a puncture eh? Cheap bastard. Buy some real tyres! Get some real players while you're at it too.
"Obviously a central defender is required because Paolo Maldini is going to retire. The other signing ought to be a striker, because that is the area that needs reinforcing. However, it’s not necessarily true that it will be a centre-forward, as we already have [Marco] Borriello."
:unsure:
He doesn't seem the most....optimistic of managers does he?
He's going soon, aint he? Keeps hinting that he'll be leaving.
He seems not right in the head, to me.
Heard Adebayor linked with you lot again. How about a straight swap with Pato? :happy:
Rumour has it if Rijkaard gets in charge he may try get Valdes.
:D Go for it!
I don't necessarily mind Adebayor (despite his poor finishing) but I mind him for anything over £20m. Eto'o is the striker I really want but we couldn't get him unless he really wanted to leave.
Valdes - please no :<
Eto'o could be a real possibility. Although over here Inter seems like the team in the driving seat.
He doesn't seem the most....optimistic of managers does he?
He's usually fairly optimistic, spinning webs of lies to support Galliani's bollocks.
He's going soon, aint he? Keeps hinting that he'll be leaving.
He seems not right in the head, to me.
Not sure why you feel that way...he's a very astute manager, we just feel he doesn't stand up to Galliani enough and demand change for fear of being sacked.
Eto'o could be a real possibility. Although over here Inter seems like the team in the driving seat.
They have the money and can pay him big wages. We'd ask him to take a pay cut :huh:
Eto'o would probably insult the whole board and their mothers if they asked him to take a price cut.
I hope Ancelotti stays with Milan, as who else would Gattuso abuse after Milan score a goal?
CDDRodrigo
31-03-2009, 01:18
Eto'o would be wonderful for Milan. But the team firstly needs a center back.
31/03
Kaka may return from injury in Brazil's World Cup 2010 qualifier against Peru and claims the Seleção's doctors are much better than Milan's.
The former FIFA World Player of the Year has become increasingly frustrated at missing a significant part of the season with a niggling foot injury.
But it seems that Kaka's spell on the sidelines could be over as he has set his sights on facing Peru on Wednesday evening.
“I am optimistic,” the Milan ace said. “I have received encouraging news from the medical team and I could feature, even if I don't know for how long.
“After the latest training session I felt sure that I would be fit to play, although maybe not for a full 90 minutes.”
Kaka then took aim at Milan's medical team, who seemed to do little to help the playmaker's condition.
“My condition improved much more in a week in Brazil than it did in five at Milan,” Kaka said simply.
“I feel better and I'm not in pain. In the future I will address injuries in a different way.
“Football has changed a lot over the last few years. It has become much more physical and I need to protect my body.
“It's hard to say whether Milan's doctors made mistakes, but I just know that I will handle it differently if I get injured in future.”
I'm on his side. Not the first time Milan's medics have been shown as inept - the Milan Lab clearly isn't working properly and must be sorted out!
05/04
SENDEROS! :shocking:
Will surely go down as Ronaldinho's goal.
EDIT: Inzaghi too!!
SENDEROS! :shocking:
:smug:
Was only a matter of time mate....only a matter of time.
Mullet Taylor
12-04-2009, 13:39
beckham frozen out the team for ac's last victory ?
beckham frozen out the team for ac's last victory ?
Not frozen out as such, just didn't take part in either of our last two matches if I remember correctly.
Pato has made lots of amazing runs in the last two matches but almost all have ended with him making a poor decision.
Jankulovski made some huge errors yesterday and Seedorf was dire aside from his winner yesterday. Jankulovski started off that move which turned out to be a very good one. Inzaghi's assist was great given that he's not known for his ability to lay the ball off.
Billy Minof
17-04-2009, 12:02
Sweey, you know the meeting that took place recently between F. Perez of Madrid and a AC Milan delegate, alot of people have said that it was to see if Kaka was available in the summer, but after Calderon came out yesterday and said that Madrid have signed a player who is one of the best players in the world I got to thinking and I was thinking that the player in question was infact Gourcuff who as you know is currently out on loan and playing amazing stuff and a player that wouldnt cost that much money and would be great value for money....thoughts?
I wrote more about it in the Real Madrid thread but you mustnt have seen it.
Sweey, you know the meeting that took place recently between F. Perez of Madrid and a AC Milan delegate, alot of people have said that it was to see if Kaka was available in the summer, but after Calderon came out yesterday and said that Madrid have signed a player who is one of the best players in the world I got to thinking and I was thinking that the player in question was infact Gourcuff who as you know is currently out on loan and playing amazing stuff and a player that wouldnt cost that much money and would be great value for money....thoughts?
I wrote more about it in the Real Madrid thread but you mustnt have seen it.
Haven't been in the Real Madrid thread recently so wouldn't have seen it. It can't be Gourcuff - Bordeaux have a clause allowing them to purchase him for £13m and we cannot stop them buying him. If they don't, I'd hope our stupid board keep him instead of selling him.
Galliani keeps saying he's friends with Perez and discussions haven't been about Kaka's availability or a possible transfer but we'll see. Hopefully Kaka will not want to leave for Real this summer as many of us have expected since he rejected a move to Manchester City in January.
I do believe that it may be about Beckham.
Billy Minof
17-04-2009, 12:42
Haven't been in the Real Madrid thread recently so wouldn't have seen it. It can't be Gourcuff - Bordeaux have a clause allowing them to purchase him for £13m and we cannot stop them buying him. If they don't, I'd hope our stupid board keep him instead of selling him.
Galliani keeps saying he's friends with Perez and discussions haven't been about Kaka's availability or a possible transfer but we'll see. Hopefully Kaka will not want to leave for Real this summer as many of us have expected since he rejected a move to Manchester City in January.
I do believe that it may be about Beckham.
Well what got me thinking was if Perez does return then Zidane will be getting a role at the club and Zidane rates Gourcuff pretty highly, I know that Bordeaux have a clause to buy him but this is football and I am sure that a word in his ear with the option to join Madrid would deter him from staying with Bordeaux, I dont think Kaka will leave Milan though as he has been talking about them buying new players recently and seems to be happy enough there, as for Beckham, I wouldnt like to see him return, he had his glory already with us and wont be the same player should he return. I also believe that S. Ramos could join Milan this summer.
Well what got me thinking was if Perez does return then Zidane will be getting a role at the club and Zidane rates Gourcuff pretty highly, I know that Bordeaux have a clause to buy him but this is football and I am sure that a word in his ear with the option to join Madrid would deter him from staying with Bordeaux, I dont think Kaka will leave Milan though as he has been talking about them buying new players recently and seems to be happy enough there, as for Beckham, I wouldnt like to see him return, he had his glory already with us and wont be the same player should he return. I also believe that S. Ramos could join Milan this summer.
We've liked Ramos for years but he's always considered us a step down. Given our recent domestic problems, I'm not surprised. I remain concerned by Spanish players in Italian football.
I doubt anyone was shocked to the core by Jose Mari's failure, Javi Moreno did do well but couldn't settle in the country, Mendieta was never the same after leaving Valencia and De La Pena has always been an enigma.
I don't think Gourcuff would succeed at Real - he was very weak mentally when at Milan and I don't believe that will have changed entirely in the space of 12 months. He wasn't given the chances he deserved by Ancelotti and I don't understand quite why they have such issues with one another.
Billy Minof
17-04-2009, 12:59
We've liked Ramos for years but he's always considered us a step down. Given our recent domestic problems, I'm not surprised. I remain concerned by Spanish players in Italian football.
And vice versa, Italian players dont do great in Spain mate, I feel that Ramos is very overated anyway, he was disasterous in our CL defeat to Liverpool and was our most dissapointing player IMO.
I don't think Gourcuff would succeed at Real - he was very weak mentally when at Milan and I don't believe that will have changed entirely in the space of 12 months. He wasn't given the chances he deserved by Ancelotti and I don't understand quite why they have such issues with one another.
Well I feel that with Zidane there to help him and mentor him he could do very well at Madrid that is of course if we sign him which is all just me talk at the mo lol.
And vice versa, Italian players dont do great in Spain mate, I feel that Ramos is very overated anyway, he was disasterous in our CL defeat to Liverpool and was our most dissapointing player IMO.
I kind of agree with you, Corradi and Fiore did not succeed at Valencia, and i dont think Zambrotta or Thuram really settled even at Barca, however Thuram was coming to the end of his career.
Christian Vieri, i feel is the last Italian to succeed in Spain, during his season with Ath. Madrid when he got top goalscorer
And vice versa, Italian players dont do great in Spain mate, I feel that Ramos is very overated anyway, he was disasterous in our CL defeat to Liverpool and was our most dissapointing player IMO.
Christian Vieri :smug:
I know what you mean though. Its almost like the wrong Spanish players come to Italy and likewise for the Italians.
Ramos reminds me a bit of Mexes - someone who loses concentration and can't be trusted for long periods.
Well I feel that with Zidane there to help him and mentor him he could do very well at Madrid that is of course if we sign him which is all just me talk at the mo lol.
I don't think the board realise what sort of backlash they'll get from the fans if we choose to sell Gourcuff as opposed to having already screwed up by giving Bordeaux first refusal. Of course its always possible Bordeaux will sign him and immediately sell him at a profit. Real Madrid would try and engineer such a move.
I kind of agree with you, Corradi and Fiore did not succeed at Valencia, and i dont think Zambrotta or Thuram really settled even at Barca, however Thuram was coming to the end of his career.
Christian Vieri, i feel is the last Italian to succeed in Spain, during his season with Ath. Madrid when he got top goalscorer
Thuram is French :>
Corradi was never good enough for Spain so its no surprise he failed. Fiore was borderline.
Zambrotta has been going downhill since he left Juventus as his Milan form alludes to.
Totally forgot about Thuram being French, got caught in the moment, i do apologise
Billy Minof
17-04-2009, 13:11
Ramos reminds me a bit of Mexes - someone who loses concentration and can't be trusted for long periods.
Yes, although he is better than Mexes.
I don't think the board realise what sort of backlash they'll get from the fans if we choose to sell Gourcuff as opposed to having already screwed up by giving Bordeaux first refusal. Of course its always possible Bordeaux will sign him and immediately sell him at a profit. Real Madrid would try and engineer such a move.
Indeed, your players are not getting any younger although you do have some very good young players, although Milan could still sell us Kaka, keep Gourcuff as his replacement and use the 60+ million and probally even Ramos thrown into the deal to bring in more new players.....makes sense to me from a Milan point of view.
The Kaka deal would make a hell of a lot of financial sense but I'm of the firm belief that no other player in the world can do the job for us that Kaka does. Gourcuff should be groomed as his replacement - and if not can easily be Seedorf's replacement next season. There's no way Clarence is good enough to play as regularly next season.
Totally forgot about Thuram being French, got caught in the moment, i do apologise
Happens to us all ;)
Billy Minof
17-04-2009, 13:17
The Kaka deal would make a hell of a lot of financial sense but I'm of the firm belief that no other player in the world can do the job for us that Kaka does. Gourcuff should be groomed as his replacement - and if not can easily be Seedorf's replacement next season. There's no way Clarence is good enough to play as regularly next season.
Well it would be hard for anyone to do the job that Kaka does seeing as he is the best player in the world in that position but I would rather lose Kaka and have a stronger team and squad with more options, as for Seedorf I agree although its good to have him in the squad same can said for Raul of Madrid.
5-1 :smug:
Inzaghi with a hat-trick so he's now up to eleven league goals. Two assists from Beckham, one from Ronaldinho for his goals. Kaka scored a penalty to make it four and then assisted Ambrosini's fifth at the death.
It was one of those performances where we swarm our opponents and create lots of opportunities. Surprisingly, Pato didn't have much of an impact but with Dunga watching I think Ronaldinho was always coming on at half-time.
We're second and looked fresh but shouldn't get carried away. Some of Torino's play was suicidal and they deserve to be where they are in the league. Plus, every now and then we're doing this to a team only to have inconsistent results for weeks on end.
Original?
20-04-2009, 10:54
Inzaghi, I'm not sure he'll stop scoring even after he's retired. Eleven goals is a great return considering his age and playing time.
uA - 1905
20-04-2009, 18:21
Just saw Beckham's pass for Inzaghi's second, the guy oozes with class and brains
Adammce05
21-04-2009, 21:41
Emersons been released :D.
Yep. Family problems. I'm happy.
Next hopefully sending Senderos back, ridding ourselves of Favalli and flogging Dida.
CDDRodrigo
21-04-2009, 22:13
Good, Emerson is out.
Mullet Taylor
21-04-2009, 22:48
good to hear beckham had a decent game.
Sweey, i guess all your ac tops have kaka on the back ?
good to hear beckham had a decent game.
Sweey, i guess all your ac tops have kaka on the back ?
Nope. None of them have any name and I've not bought a new shirt for two years now. I've got five Milan shirts in total; three home, one white and one black. Fucking love the black and white ones and its the white one I'll buy next. Not been too fond of some aspects of the shirts in the last couple of years.
Actually, its been YEARS since I bought an Italy shirt. Clearly need to do that sometime soon.
mufcsean
22-04-2009, 00:12
The past 4 AC Home shirts have hardly even changed anyway.
The past 4 AC Home shirts have hardly even changed anyway.
http://images.soccerscene.co.uk/images/AC-Milan-Home.jpg
2007-08; don't like the way the red cuts across the stripes at the bottom.
In fairness, credit to 2008-09 as there's not much at all wrong with it. Its the 2006-07 shirt I wasn't happy with.
Mullet Taylor
22-04-2009, 15:21
yeh your right enough, that does take abit of the shine from it
The third of my top three, and the top one in this case, going down the shitter financially.
In 2007 the budget was approved with a deficit of £28m, but that has now gone to £60m thanks to the fact the income has been reduced from £40.5m to just £6.7m.
"Osvaldo’s goal cost us £33m," sighed Vice-President Adriano Galliani when referring to the ex-Fiorentina striker's decider against Torino last season. "If I had known that at the time, I would’ve saved money and just bought the player directly. To have a balanced budget, Milan absolutely need to play in the Champions League every season and go as far as possible."
Was the Shevchenko move back to Milan a loan or permanant?
So I doubt he will be staying at the end of the season then, will be interesting to see what he ends up doing next season. Retirement must be quite likely.
Well he still shows signs of ability (Milan friendlies, Ukraine) and has virtually begged us to keep him as he doesn't want to go back to Chelsea. I'm sure a Ukrainian side will move for him if he drops his wages sufficiently.
Yeah I suppose that's his best option. I couldn't see Milan keeping him, especially with all these financial problems and Chelsea don't really want him back just taking the wages no matter how much Abramovic likes him. He never should have left Milan in the first place.
Yeah I suppose that's his best option. I couldn't see Milan keeping him, especially with all these financial problems and Chelsea don't really want him back just taking the wages no matter how much Abramovic likes him. He never should have left Milan in the first place.
Very true. He was starting to lose his ability but it hadn't affected his overall game, just his ability to dominate defences for long periods. Moving to England highlighted it and with his lack of playing time he lost everything else.
He came on as a late substitute yesterday and got in great positions but we were already 3-0 up so Ronaldinho and others were too busy shooting from range to care. Ronaldinho and Kaka had what the commentator described as a "private moment". We're flowing forward and Ronaldinho on the left plays it to Kaka. The ball goes back. Short passes ensue between the two, barely yards from each other until Ronaldinho tries to spin 180 degrees and pass to I think Pirlo. The ball went straight to an opponent, Pirlo having already run beyond.
Ronaldinho's tricks don't often come off in Italy and he ends up looking amazingly wasteful. We may have been 3-0 up but Ronaldinho didn't start a game where we were missing Pato - Seedorf was preferred. Surely he should be coming on and being clinical to prove his worth?
Carlo is leaving us....I got that feeling.
Well he's got his romantic option (Roma) and an idealist option (Chelsea) open to him so I'm sure he will depart.
Leonardo again linked with being his replacement though he'd need a fully qualified assistant as he's only just started taking his coaching badges.
Its good to be up in second but we need to hope Juventus continue to slip up as we've got them in round 35.
I go to another forum on matchdays hence the lack of updates.
Galliani is talking up the prospect of Van Basten coaching us just hours after he left Ajax. No surprise.
We've won seven of our last eight and are four points clear of faltering Juventus in second. Finishing second would be fantastic but we host Juventus this weekend. A win and we seal second, a defeat and the whole thing is open again. Inzaghi's form is astounding - not many his age could do what he does.
Ronaldinho still isn't playing much (if at all) and Beckham hasn't been overly impressive of late. Flamini has though and in the two games he's played at right wing-back he's been brilliant. He missed the weekend win at Catania due to suspension but hopefully he'll come back to play on Sunday night. Dida looks set to miss the game with a back injury though so with first-choice Abbiati also sidelined we'll either use Kalac (if he's fit) or our youth team goalkeeper Filippo Perucchini.
AgentZero
06-05-2009, 23:00
whats going on with Gourcuff...have you sold him to Bordeaux yet?
whats going on with Gourcuff...have you sold him to Bordeaux yet?
Nope. £13m plus the £1.3m they still owe us for loaning him and he goes. Unless, of course, he says he wants to stay at Milan. That's unlikely given Ancelotti's public comments about Gourcuff which do nothing to arrest the now widespread belief that he just doesn't like Yoann.
I, and all other Milan fans I have contact with, want Gourcuff back and see him as the ideal replacement for Seedorf in a 4-3-2-1 or perhaps even in a 4-3-1-2 as long as he provides defensive support occasionally.
AgentZero
06-05-2009, 23:06
id personally love him at United..get rid of that plank nani.
Mullet Taylor
06-05-2009, 23:07
no chance in hell of Milan winning the title with form like that ?
no chance in hell of Milan winning the title with form like that ?
Not in the slightest. They've got a seven point lead with four games left and we've got a monumental run-in. Ibrahimovic, for all his shitness in Europe, has saved Inter plenty of this season and will continue to do so.
They're at Chievo without him this weekend but then host Siena, travel to Cagliari and host Atalanta. By contrast, we host Juventus who are fighting us for second place, travel to Udinese who hope to steal a Europa League berth, host Roma who desperately need to secure a Europe League place and visit Fiorentina who may need a win to keep Genoa at bay for the last Champions League spot.
Hi Milan fans,
I've started a FM game with AC and I've got a little problem - I've gone for the narrow 4-4-2 diamond consisting of a midfield of:
------------------Pirlo---------------------
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------Gattuso------------Flamini-----------
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---------------Seedorf--------------------
(Kaka's injured)
Then it's Inzaghi and Pato up front at the moment (Borriello is injured, I got rid of Sheva, then there's Viudez).
Now, what about Ronaldinho?
What formation do Milan play in real-life? What have they played most of this season? I know there's the 4-4-2 diamond which has been Milan's for seasons but then where does Ronaldinho play? I'll need to start him I think or face him getting seriously sad being a bench sitter lol.
Thanks.
Maldini's last game was today. Shame it had to end in defeat. A class act on and off the pitch.
- Bez you should try a 4-2-3-1. Would probably mean benching Flamini, but it'll allow you to get Dinho, Pato, Kaka and maybe even Seedorf depending where you play Pato.
Maldini's last game was today. Shame it had to end in defeat. A class act on and off the pitch.
Apparently the Ultras had a Banner which basically said "Baresi 6 there is only one captain", I found that pretty weird seeing as Maldini has been extremely loyal to Milan with 24 years of service.
The way some of the Milan fans handled it was godawful - you can't treat your legends like that. Even Spalletti was mad about that.
Apparently the Ultras had a Banner which basically said "Baresi 6 there is only one captain", I found that pretty weird seeing as Maldini has been extremely loyal to Milan with 24 years of service.That's absolutely disgraceful.
There's a video here showing the banner - http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/SerieA/Milan/24-05-2009/sud-contesta-maldini-risponde-50444419234.shtml
Mjällharth
25-05-2009, 12:52
Absolute twats those guys.
Billy Minof
25-05-2009, 15:33
There were a couple banners around but it was all coming from one section of the stadium and it was the fans who were angry at Maldini for comments he made earlier in the season which werent bad at all, basically he told them to get behind the team in difficult times and not to jeer them....really soured what was supposed to be a great day for him.
Here is what some of the banners read.
One in the south stand read: "Thanks captain: on the pitch you have been an infinite champion but you have lacked the respect of those that have made you rich".
Another one read: "For your 25-year glorious career our deepest thanks from those you defined as mercenaries".
That banner was accompanied by a big jersey of Franco Baresi, who Maldini replaced as captain, and with chants of "There's only one captain".
Maldini said of the fans who hung the banners: "I am proud not to be one of them."
AgentZero
26-05-2009, 14:35
ahhh theyre italians, can never please them. Grazie Paolo, being shoved into left back for much of my pewee years it was paolo who i admired when everyone wanted to be bobby carlos'
That brilliant tackle where he slid and cover the ball with his right leg, i tried to emulate way to many times to little success.
wrathchild_uk
31-05-2009, 17:56
Leonardo is to be officially named the new Milan coach tommorow...would like to hear Don's views on this :P
Lorenzinho
31-05-2009, 18:04
It's all happening today, eh? I'm unsure about the appointment of Leonardo. I know he's heavily involved with the club as it is, but does he really know what he's doing?
It's all happening today, eh? I'm unsure about the appointment of Leonardo. I know he's heavily involved with the club as it is, but does he really know what he's doing?
Yeah, its a huge step up, but look how succesful pep guardiola has been, maybe this is what milan need
Meyyappan
04-06-2009, 07:46
And do you guys think milan will keep senderos???
Meyyappan
04-06-2009, 07:54
And do you guys think milan will keep senderos???
MoonSpell
04-06-2009, 17:01
fast, strong and when fully fit he can be a handful for most defenders. he's probably newcastle's highest valuable player ?
lol
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