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19:12
I remember having to keep my head down in 07 as I watched the final in a pub full of Liverpool fans bar a pocket of United fans who made it clear they were siding us :laugh:
19:16
I'm about to wee myself :blush:
Phatmann
16-02-2010, 19:16
Paul Scholes? Uh oh spaghetti-ohs! How long in the match before he gets a booking? I say 34 minutes and it will be against Pirlo.
Paul Scholes? Uh oh spaghetti-ohs! How long in the match before he gets a booking? I say 34 minutes and it will be against Pirlo.
Wouldn't Pirlo need to get near the ball first?
Phatmann
16-02-2010, 19:18
Wouldn't Pirlo need to get near the ball first?
Not necessarily. Scholes will hack the back of his legs before the ball gets to him.
Well just as long as his todger doesn't make a special San Siro appearance.
Hahaha what was ronaldinho doing in the line up? Majorly licking his licks lol.
Hahaha what was ronaldinho doing in the line up? Majorly licking his licks lol.
:joel:
muscularmatt
16-02-2010, 20:06
Only just tuned in, who scored?
Only just tuned in, who scored?
1948: GOAL AC Milan 1-0 Manchester United
David Beckham's floated ball into the United box sees Patrice Evra try a strange overhead kick clearance, but it falls to RONALDINHO 16 yards out towards the left-hand side and the Brazilian hammers in a right-foot volley that takes a cruel deflection off Michael Carrick and wrong-foots Edwin van der Sar.
muscularmatt
16-02-2010, 20:23
Ta Bez.
20:35
I am very unhappy.
Ronaldinho's goal - good news. If I'm right and Ferdinand fouled Ronaldinho after about ten minutes not only didn't we get a free-kick but more importantly he could've had a straight red. But fine, we didn't get it.
Huntelaar's shot which went just wide had me half way to cheering only to realise he hadn't scored. Therein the problem. We only led 1-0 despite being presented with five opportunities by United and I think we deserve to be ahead. That was a sickening goal to concede, even more so because its an away goal.
And now we've got Favalli at left-back :faceplm: - Ronaldinho likes playing Antonini through down the left but Favalli is 38 and lacks speed - he won't be able to get down there whilst keeping the left relatively safe in the absence of any defensive help from Ronaldinho.
EDIT: Actually a correction, forgot how close the covering United defender was so Ferdinand could only have had a yellow at best.
21:18
Where's the €15m we didn't spend on Aly Cissokho, Silvio?
Mjällharth
16-02-2010, 21:20
It takes some "talent" to make Fletcher looks like Guardiola, as much as I hate admitting this.
muscularmatt
16-02-2010, 21:27
Game Over. Big shame really, would have liked the second leg to be more of a nailbiter, but there you go.
muscularmatt
16-02-2010, 21:29
Ohhhh maybe not...
We can't get through this tie. We cannot go to Old Trafford and win 2-0, 3-2 or better.
€15m Silvio, that's all it would have taken. Galliani set it up and you blew it apart.
muscularmatt
16-02-2010, 21:41
Being one down, surely you can't totally rule it out though? If it had stayed 3-1 then yeah, but as it is there's still a game...?
Being one down, surely you can't totally rule it out though? If it had stayed 3-1 then yeah, but as it is there's still a game...?
We won't keep a clean sheet and we lack penetration so unfortunately yes I can. Our big problem is left-back, the very position we wanted Aly Cissokho to make his own. Antonini is decent but if we're relying on 38-year-old "I was average for the whole of my career" Favalli to fill the void, we've got massive problems....which aren't new.
Being one down, surely you can't totally rule it out though? If it had stayed 3-1 then yeah, but as it is there's still a game...?
Three away goals. They're practically two down.
muscularmatt
16-02-2010, 21:50
Didn't realise Favalli was that old, that could be a problem for a such a wing agressive side like United, particularly on their own turf. But with the attacking talent of Milan, all they need is abit of luck and they could get 3 or 4? If Liverpool can do it...
requiem7
16-02-2010, 21:57
It was the classic I had predicted. But boy are my nerves are shot.
It could be some 2nd leg. Milan are still in it. I thought United's defence could have been better. Ronaldinho showed in glimpses that he is a really good player. But thank goodness he's a lazy git.
It was the classic I had predicted. But boy are my nerves are shot.
It could be some 2nd leg. Milan are still in it. I thought United's defence could have been better. Ronaldinho showed in glimpses that he is a really good player. But thank goodness he's a lazy git.
But it isn't all down to him. Leonardo tells Pato and Ronaldinho not to go back. They are, after all, his favourites and he believes we should play a 4-3-3 similar to Barcelona except they've got highly physical midfielders with superb stamina and we're lumbered with Pirlo, Ambrosini, Beckham and Gattuso.
Good game lads (from what I saw of it, which was the first half and the last five minutes).
You should have been out of sight after the first twenty minutes; luckily you weren't and we were very, very, very, very lucky with our equaliser.
3-1 would have killed the tie completely, but 3-2 worries me just a tad, in case you go one up at Old Trafford and sit back.
3-1 would have killed the tie completely, but 3-2 worries me just a tad, in case you go one up at Old Trafford and sit back.
They'll still need 2 goals whatever.
Still confused how we managed to win that. I thought we were extremely lucky to be level at half time, so 3-1 was a joke scoreline! I guess the roles reversed in the second half with the amount of mistakes on show, but a one goal deficit was the least you deserved. Great finish from Seedorf.
Yeah, but 2 goals at 3-1 means we advance on away goals, where 2 goals now means they go through.
I just don't like the thought of them going a goal up, and us attacking whilst being vunerable to the counter.
I couldn't believe Pippo missed that chance straight after your second goal. I thought he'd have buried that.
Seedorf's goal was immense.
muscularmatt
16-02-2010, 22:49
Tbh I pull for Milan over Man U just for the managers more than anything. Who'd rather see the whisky bloated face of Fergie over that sexy dish of a man Leonardo?
bedoflame
16-02-2010, 22:50
milan was better and better and better wat about a penalty the ball was on evans hand and wat about a red card for the tackle for ronaldinho which wasnt even recorded a foul
Phatmann
16-02-2010, 23:35
Tbh I pull for Milan over Man U just for the managers more than anything. Who'd rather see the whisky bloated face of Fergie over that sexy dish of a man Leonardo?
Is it just me or does Leonardo look a bit like Nigel Havers?
Dragonfly
16-02-2010, 23:55
Is it just me or does Leonardo look a bit like Nigel Havers?
No, it's just you that looks like Nigel Havers.
milan was better and better and better wat about a penalty the ball was on evans hand and wat about a red card for the tackle for ronaldinho which wasnt even recorded a foul
Couldn't have been a red, a defender was covering.
We didn't deserve any penalties either.
muscularmatt
17-02-2010, 01:26
All I know is, that Leonardo guy is dishy.
bedoflame
17-02-2010, 01:28
ok maybe yellow---- but there was a penalty it is a hand ball in the penalty area
dan101rayzor
17-02-2010, 08:27
Good game, the game could of gone either way with all the chances tho, to bad Man.U Came on top.
I still think our real chance to make it 3-3 was the opportunity Inzaghi badly missed. I know he's only played three times at most since Christmas prior to this game but he needs to do better. Its pretty obvious this needs to be his last season with the club unless he's willing to stay next season to tutor Paloschi (who will hopefully return) knowing he won't play. He's more likely set for Parma though.
ok maybe yellow---- but there was a penalty it is a hand ball in the penalty area
Which handball? Ronaldinho flicking the ball up and it hitting a defender on the arm when said defender hasn't stuck his arm out isn't a penalty.
All I know is, that Leonardo guy is dishy.
Starting posting with some level of actual decent content or do me a favour and leave the forum. Don't respond with one of your stupid comments, just do one or the other.
Nobody finds your behaviour amusing.
So you think Leonardo is a good looking chap which he is - why post about it twice? There's no need.
CDDRodrigo
17-02-2010, 09:23
If Milan faced a lesser team, they would've won. But the team is too old. Favalli is 38. Dida is 36. The main dribbler is almost 30. Ambrosini is 33, same as Nesta.
The only young player is Pato. I'm afraid it's not good enough.
Great game, anyway.
If Milan faced a lesser team, they would've won. But the team is too old. Favalli is 38. Dida is 36. The main dribbler is almost 30. Ambrosini is 33, same as Nesta.
The only young player is Pato. I'm afraid it's not good enough.
Great game, anyway.
Beckham is 34 too. Its beyond laughable because its been going on for far too long.
Ronaldinho showed what has been missing though - he's had the tricks and in the odd game he's done what he did last night...driving forward with the ball to try and penetrate a defence and really hurt them. Unfortunately, in some games he doesn't drive forward he just slows every move down while attempting to do tricks that get him nowhere. Sort that out and he'll get back in the Brazil squad. I'm just not sure he can sort it out to perform this way regularly.
Can I also say, we fucking love Thiago Silva. Not only is he quality at the back bar the very odd concentration error, his runs forward are immense and always dangerous.
Can you hand over Hernanes and Miranda? Good lad.
I agree, Thiago Silva was excellent. It's a shame that the defense as an entirety is shabby. Not even counting Dida who might just bring "shabby" down to "Oh Dear God".
chelsea11
17-02-2010, 10:30
I didn't see any of the match due to work but surely a 3-2 defeat couldn't be the end of your tournement? I know you keep saying about not keeping a clean sheet for the life of you but a 3-1 could be on the cards, Rooney to have an off day and it's possible.
About the age thing, I would like to comment but it seems Chelsea are dangerously close to that. The only difference being we are not hindered by it, rather we are better for it at the moment. But some of the ages players in Italy still play top level is impressive but in European football that just won't cut it I'm afraid.
Jonno394
17-02-2010, 11:23
I really can't see Milan going to Old Trafford and keeping a clean sheet. in the same instance, i cannot see Milan going to Old Trafford with the ability to score more than 1 goal.
I remember watching the Milan derby and thinking how AC lacked impetus going forward. They lack the creativity that is needed, and as Sweey says, favalli is laughable!!
Mullet Taylor
17-02-2010, 11:34
how dida is still at milan is beyond me. Thiago Silva was Milan's best player last night i thought.
I thought the header the two milan players went up for was a better chance the one inzaghi had. Van der saar had a great game which didn't help the milan cause.
I thought Rio fouled Rony when he was doing the step overs and got away, only to be caught by rio's trailing foot. Ron was looking for the foul and went down, but there was contact
Is seedorf the big impact sub now ? surprised he wasn't on from the start. He shows the determination and drive, plus he doesn't mind getting a foot into a challenge unlike beckham, who's too scared incase he'll get injured
Great game of football though. I cheered both times Milan scored. 3 weeks until the return game ?
Speaking of leonardo, anyone see him interupting Fergie' post match interview for a hand shake ?
at half time i noticed Ron went to the lockers via a wee door behind the dugout, i thought that was pretty handy. that door, the opposition have one plus the tunnel. 3 ways to get to the locker room if your a player ?
Yup, Thiago Silva reminds me of a younger Lúcio, he's a gem.
Regarding the defence last night, Nesta had a bit of an off night or we'd have been far more secure. Still, he's the best defender in our squad (Thiago Silva second to him) so he's entitled to the odd performance where he's not completely excellent.
Is seedorf the big impact sub now ? surprised he wasn't on from the start. He shows the determination and drive, plus he doesn't mind getting a foot into a challenge unlike beckham, who's too scared incase he'll get injured
Seedorf is just coming back from injury but like I've been saying all along, Beckham bar the set pieces brings nothing. His performance last night was equal to all of his performances for us so far and as such, how the media in England can keep claiming he's starring for us when we win is beyond me.
Speaking of leonardo, anyone see him interupting Fergie' post match interview for a hand shake ?
I did, commented appropriately in the United thread at the time. He oozes class and its worth noting for all that Ferguson is highly respected and respectful in Europe. Wenger and Benitez are not.
CDDRodrigo
17-02-2010, 12:19
Can you hand over Hernanes and Miranda? Good lad.
Unless you pay 50m Euros for each one, no deal :ninja:
Unless you pay 50m Euros for each one, no deal :ninja:
Knowing what I do of your president, that's not far off the mark :huh:
Beckham played 72 minutes?! :erm:
bedoflame
17-02-2010, 18:05
nope man i can ensure there was one not the one you are talking about this wasnt a handball it was on evans in the first part of the first half
I know Pirlo was once great, which can still be seen here and there, but the man just sucks balls.
I know Pirlo was once great, which can still be seen here and there, but the man just sucks balls.
He has done since the World Cup. The odd good game or nice pass aren't enough for me. Unfortunately few Milan fans share my views on him.
chelsea11
17-02-2010, 19:52
Even his set-pieces are gone down hill, really can't see why he's gone so bad? It's a shame really, if he stays there another year and plays as bad he might damage his name
Even his set-pieces are gone down hill, really can't see why he's gone so bad? It's a shame really, if he stays there another year and plays as bad he might damage his name
I can't even begin to tell you how desperate I was for you to take him off our hands in the summer so long as we bought a creative midfielder to replace him which we undoubtedly would have.
chelsea11
17-02-2010, 20:12
Yeah close call for us, imagine how bad he would be in the premiership? It would be on scale with when we got Veron I can only imagine, or even Shevchenko. Some players are just suited to certain leagues, but to be honest I would think Pirlo is perfect for Italy. Maybe he needs a new club with new motivation.
dan101rayzor
18-02-2010, 06:33
And he's only 30... he seems like 34-5
muscularmatt
18-02-2010, 17:51
Some people do age faster though, you never know what yer gonna get. That's why I side with people like Arsene Wenger on not offering long contracts to the over 30s, as is Pirlo's case you don't know when they are going to take the plunge...
Mullet Taylor
18-02-2010, 17:54
defenders and goalies get better with age though, unless its senderos
requiem7
18-02-2010, 18:26
Some people do age faster though, you never know what yer gonna get. That's why I side with people like Arsene Wenger on not offering long contracts to the over 30s, as is Pirlo's case you don't know when they are going to take the plunge...
I think it all depends on the players desire and they way they treat their body. Add some luck on the injuries to a certain extent. Although several players have said that drinking alcohol made their injuries worse and shortened their career.
You just have to look at Giggs, Scholes and Beckham. Still going strong. A.C Milan are also are good at keeping experienced players going.
Don't know if any of you have heard Berlusconi's comments but he claims we'd have done fine in the first leg "if the players had been allowed to play properly", suggesting he's not happy with Leonardo's tactics. He also said the people in charge at the club (Galliani, other staff) don't know what they're doing.
Perhaps he should look in the mirror.
muscularmatt
18-02-2010, 19:11
Dissent amongst the ranks eh?
Dissent amongst the ranks eh?
Hardly. This isn't exactly new behaviour for Berlusconi.
requiem7
18-02-2010, 23:00
Hardly. This isn't exactly new behaviour for Berlusconi.
Is the big spending days of Milan over?
19/02
Is the big spending days of Milan over?
Yes because Berlusconi is only interested in his retirement fund now. We'll likely have €40-50m to spend this summer but that's mostly from sponsorship and only because we need a top striker. If it weren't for the striker, that'd be closer to €20m. In fact, that first figure could include the expected €15m from the sale of Huntelaar.
20/02
11:01
Youngster alert!
Rodrigo Ely, a 16-year-old Brazilian defender has been training with our youth team since January while he (and we) await documentation to ensure his signature from Gremio where he is out of contract will not use one of our non-EU slots.
14:26
Squad for Bari:
Goalkeepers Abbiati, Dida, Roma
Defenders Abate, Bonera, Favalli, Jankulovski, Nesta, Oddo, Thiago Silva
Midfielders Ambrosini, Beckham, Gattuso, Pirlo.
Forwards Adiyiah (maglia numero 40), Borriello, Huntelaar, Inzaghi, Pato, Ronaldinho.
Injured Antonini, Flamini, Kaladze, Mancini, Onyewu, Seedorf, Zambrotta.
Adiyiah has been given the number 40 shirt.
dan101rayzor
21-02-2010, 07:44
Seedorf Injured? How come he came on against ManU
uA - 1905
21-02-2010, 08:17
I know this will sound insane but maybe he got injured during or after the game, in training or something?
Our black kit is so damn sexy.
chelsea11
21-02-2010, 20:08
Hey Sweey, love to know your opinion on this game. Put a few quid on Milan as part of a double but the information on ESPN says it could be a 'banana skin' fixture for you. Now I'm not going to let some crappy little piece of information be a proper source, but I didn't check up on anything really for this game.
Hey Sweey, love to know your opinion on this game. Put a few quid on Milan as part of a double but the information on ESPN says it could be a 'banana skin' fixture for you. Now I'm not going to let some crappy little piece of information be a proper source, but I didn't check up on anything really for this game.
Are you watching it?
This was always going to be a very tricky game - they've already drawn away to both Milan clubs and at home to Inter too.
We've had the better of the game so far but we've not been good.
Bari's home record v our away form in Serie A:
Pl W D L F A
Bari home 11 7 3 1 20 8
Milan away 11 5 4 2 14 9
Bari should have had a penalty just now. No doubts about it.
chelsea11
21-02-2010, 20:16
Yeah been watching for the last few minutes. It seems neither team are great fans of defending properly, I'm guessing the first goal will be very important.
I expect them to defend in numbers and play on the counter (as they're doing now to be fair) if they score first. Alvarez is fast and they're using two strikers up against our slow defence (well, slow midfield).
Mullet Taylor
21-02-2010, 20:19
Our black kit is so damn sexy.
agreed.
What a lovely strike from Borriello and hopefully a huge lesson for us - attack faster! Siimilar to his goal against Genoa in early January.
I agree with the commentators, this isn't what you'd expect from Bari at home. They usually play quite an attacking style - they certainly took the game to Inter when they hosted them.
chelsea11
21-02-2010, 20:37
Missed the goal :faceplm: because I went back to the R Madrid match where I missed the two goals :faceplm: x2
They haven't even altered thier tactics after the goal :mellow: Maybe after half time they will play completely different? At the moment it seems to be very very easy for Milan.
Their coach explicitly said yesterday that he would attack us and I fully expected it and half hoped it (we're crap at opening up organised defences so sometimes like teams to come on to us and leave spaces behind them).
We've been lucky though; they should have had a penalty.
chelsea11
21-02-2010, 21:08
Yep, definitely more attack minded this half, but is it just me or is this match really poor? I'm very rarely finding myself into it (only the moments when Ronnie gets the ball really).
Yep, definitely more attack minded this half, but is it just me or is this match really poor? I'm very rarely finding myself into it (only the moments when Ronnie gets the ball really).
It is poor. A team who can't break down an organised defence v a team who look scared.
The Pato goal for example wasn't spectacular but hey we'll take it. I do expect this to become 2-1 with about eight minutes left if not sooner though. Its what we seem to do.
CDDRodrigo
21-02-2010, 21:46
Abbiati o.O
dan101rayzor
23-02-2010, 11:18
Great save by Abbiati!
Huntelaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar!
Come on!
uA - 1905
24-02-2010, 19:15
So far this is one of the best matches I've seen this year
What a win!!!
I think this is the formation Berlusconi actually wants us to use too - two strikers, Pato AND Ronaldinho.
Stormrider
25-02-2010, 06:24
Man Boriello is good. I've only caught him from highlights this season but he reminds me a bit of RVN in his prime.
Man Boriello is good. I've only caught him from highlights this season but he reminds me a bit of RVN in his prime.
Now that's some seriously high praise indeed.
dan101rayzor
25-02-2010, 08:18
only 4 points in it now.
Damn it! I was planning on watching this game but my pay-channel didn't air it because of the CSKA-Sevilla game.
Borriello's penchant for beautiful volleys make him good to watch.
only 4 points in it now.
No point thinking about it. We won't finish higher than second.
If I heard correctly, we've got Roma just before United.
If I heard correctly, we've got Roma just before United.
What date is the Roma clash? That's a rough n' tough one to settle before jetting off to Old Trafford. Pirlo and Beckham to be rested so they can definitely start against us, please. They were so poor last time around that I'll risk being made to look like a fool by hoping for them to start, again. Personally, I'd brick it if I saw a midfield containing Flamini and Seedorf. But Pirlo and Beckham, no sweat. It'll probably come back to haunt me after saying it now, though. Beckham to set up a goal and play a blinder. Pirlo to score from 45 yards with a master class in midfield ownage.
We're away to Wolves, with a 5:30pm kick-off, on the 6th, prior to the second leg.
We're without Anderson or Michael Carrick. And Hargreaves ain't even in our Champions League squad as he is still "recovering" from injury. If fit I'd have played Hargreaves and Anderson, with Fletcher, as a trio. But as it stands it will probably be Darren Gibson (the entire San Siro can be heard saying "Who...") and Paul Scholes, who is sadly not the force he once was.
What date is the Roma clash? That's a rough n' tough one to settle before jetting off to Old Trafford. Pirlo and Beckham to be rested so they can definitely start against us, please. They were so poor last time around that I'll risk being made to look like a fool by hoping for them to start, again. Personally, I'd brick it if I saw a midfield containing Flamini and Seedorf. But Pirlo and Beckham, no sweat. It'll probably come back to haunt me after saying it now, though. Beckham to set up a goal and play a blinder. Pirlo to score from 45 yards with a master class in midfield ownage.
We're away to Wolves, with a 5:30pm kick-off, on the 6th, prior to the second leg.
We're without Anderson or Michael Carrick. And Hargreaves ain't even in our Champions League squad as he is still "recovering" from injury. If fit I'd have played Hargreaves and Anderson, with Fletcher, as a trio. But as it stands it will probably be Darren Gibson (the entire San Siro can be heard saying "Who...") and Paul Scholes, who is sadly not the force he once was.
We've got Roma at 7:45pm on March 6th.
The four forwards I mentioned in the United thread would be what I think Berlusconi is wanting us to play. Yesterday, after a first half in which were were AWOL and 1-0 down by the end of, we did better in the second and finally caused Fiorentina in the last ten minutes when Gattuso was replaced by Huntelaar.
Ronaldinho down the left, Huntelaar and Borriello up front and Pato down the right. Two goals in the last nine minutes and we won 2-1 although at 1-1, Fiorentina should have been awarded a penalty.
Risky as fuck but if at least one of them does some back-tracking (or the midfield don't go forward at all) we have enough cover. It also reduces the burden on our left-back and right-back. Good for a one-off methinks. As I say though, incredibly risky and perhaps something Leo won't want to try in a game which we technically only need win 2-0...which isn't going to happen.
With two midfielders who play solely as protection to the back four, that attacking line-up could work. When facing attacks down the left side, the left centre-mid can move across to offer support to the left back. For the right side, more of the same, with perhaps Pato tracking back (let's face it - Ronaldinho ain't gonna do much of that on the left).
When Cristiano Ronaldo was sporting the United colours he'd very rarely track back to help out the right-full back. To compensate for that one of our centre midfielders would move across, with the other as well as the left midfielder moving across as required, with one of the strikers dropping off and to the left. Going forward we really had four in attack. It just needed a bit of shifting about and hard graft when we lost possession to close up the gaps. But in Rooney, Tevez, Park, Anderson, and Fletcher we had diciplined grafters who could run all day long. Giggs and Scholes may not have had the legs but, they were shrewd enough and diciplined enough to see it work. You'd assume the same for Pirlo and co.
WITH THE BALL
------- Rooney ------- Tevez -------
----------------------------- Ronaldo
Giggs -------------------------------
-------- Scholes -- Carrick ----------
-- LB ----- CB ------ CB ----- RB --
--------------- GK ----------------
WITHOUT THE BALL
---------------- Tevez -------------
------------------------- Ronaldo --
- Rooney --------------------------
---------- Giggs -- Scholes - Carrick
-- LB ----- CB ------ CB ----- RB --
---------------- GK ---------------
Boriello would be Tevez. Huntelaar would be Rooney. Pato would be Ronaldo. And Ronaldinho would be Giggs. You would know better than I whom out of Pato and Ronaldinho would best fit which of the Ronaldo and Giggs roles, though.
We had a 4-2-3-1 going for a while, too. I think Milan could do sound with such.
------------- Boriello --------------
-------------- Pato ---------------
Ronaldinho ---------------- Seedorf
-------- Flamini -- Ambrosini -------
Pato, Seedorf, and Ronaldinho could of course all interchange. Huntelaar, I don't know enough about versatility wise for either of the formations.
It's easy to tell that I have nothing better to be doing right now!
Here are the goals from yesterday and in both of ours you can see what that front four was doing to Fiorentina's defence:
PXfHFWMbwps
The only reason I can see us not playing a formation like that is we'd surely have to drop Pirlo, the one-time good deep lying playmaker who is now either good at controlling the play or suffering greatly with set pieces that have no consistency and are starting to get stale.
The first goal is beautiful. And the second has the Fiorentina defence all at sea! I say Milan should go for it, give that formation a run of games and simply out score the oppositon! After the United match, of course. :tongue:
Jake Small
26-02-2010, 01:36
Here are the goals from yesterday and in both of ours you can see what that front four was doing to Fiorentina's defence:
The only reason I can see us not playing a formation like that is we'd surely have to drop Pirlo, the one-time good deep lying playmaker who is now either good at controlling the play or suffering greatly with set pieces that have no consistency and are starting to get stale.
Funny enough, this is my favourite formation in PES! Two strikers, and two amfs hitting both the wings and the center, then two tight center mids / defensive mids behind them, and a fairly defensive backline.
It would absolve your full-backs of some of their high-up wing duties and width would be provided in a more dynamic way by ronnie and pato (IOW further down the pitch).
It would make your attack more dynamic but would Seedorf and Ambrosini (??) be able to hold down the middle on their own? Funny thing is controlling the mid hasn't even been your strength with the 3 mids either, on top of a stale attack... so I don't think this issue can really get any worse.
I'd love it if you guys tried this as it would put Huntelaar to much better use.
Edit: the more I think about it, the more this formation seems well-suited to my favorite line-up of yours. Ronnie would get more options and more space, he wouldn't have to hold up the ball so much (which he seems to be awful at nowadays), huntelaar would be put to far better use with more flowing around him (he is too slow to be an explosive carrier), etc.
And, as an added bonus... it would hang Beckham and Pirlo out to dry :agree:
Stormrider
26-02-2010, 06:38
Winger their team just doesn't suit the formation we used to play. Huntelaar definitely can't play the old Rooney role. He just doesn't have the pace or defensive skills to be of any use on the left wing. And asking dinho to do the Giggs role where there's quite a bit of defending involved is like asking him to give up partying forever lol. Just aint gonna happen.
commandos
26-02-2010, 15:06
I believe Milan have chance to get even closer to Inter. We are playing next match against Atalanta on San Siro. It will be though game, but we can win it. And Inter are playing against Udinese on side. Samuel, Cordoba, Cambiasso and Muntari won't play, and that Serie A top scorer is playing against them, I don't see Inter winning.
P.S. I just love to see Ronaldinho playing good, his assists are wonderful
26/2
17:54
I believe Milan have chance to get even closer to Inter. We are playing next match against Atalanta on San Siro. It will be though game, but we can win it. And Inter are playing against Udinese on side. Samuel, Cordoba, Cambiasso and Muntari won't play, and that Serie A top scorer is playing against them, I don't see Inter winning.
P.S. I just love to see Ronaldinho playing good, his assists are wonderful
They still have the referee. Plus Milito, Eto'o who is overdue a top performance, Pandev and Balotelli.
21:05
Lovely news this evening, from our official website:
"The declarations made by Kakha Kaladze are unjustified and grave. AC Milan will act towards him in the ways and terms expected by the rules."
He told Sky Sport 24 that he's leaving in June because he never plays and that he's not played since Zurich which was one of his "best performances" and that "something dirty is happening" to him.
Fuck off to Rubin Kazan for crazy cash please.
28/2
MILAN: Abbiati; Bonera, Nesta, Thiago Silva, Jankulovski; Beckham, Pirlo, Ambrosini; Pato, Borriello, Ronaldinho.
ATALANTA: Consigli; Garics, Bianco, Manfredini, Bellini; Ferreira Pinto, De Ascentis, Padoin, Valdes; Doni; Tiribocchi.
I predict the usual story - an inability to break down a team who come to Milan to defend.
commandos
28-02-2010, 15:02
Well we have the lead at the half time, but Inter has it too.
The way Udinese started I thought it wold be something good for Milan from this match.
15:31
Whenever we have a two-goal lead we just go through the motions. When Atalanta got back to 2-1 we started pushing again, won a penalty and now we're 3-1 up.....and sleeping.
Udinese are back to 3-2 down against Inter...I really hope they can get another one and take points off them.
15:39
Shit!
That's Pato out of the United game unless we're seriously lucky. Doesn't look great :huh:
commandos
28-02-2010, 15:57
Too bad for Pato.:(
Udinese hit the crossbar in the last chance, I can't believe it.
Too bad for Pato.:(
Udinese hit the crossbar in the last chance, I can't believe it.
Seriously? Jesus :(
Inter have Genoa next weekend - a banker of a win for Inter if you ask me. We have Roma who now trail us by three points after Marek Hamsik's last-minute penalty got Napoli a point.
commandos
28-02-2010, 17:30
Seriously? Jesus :(
Inter have Genoa next weekend - a banker of a win for Inter if you ask me. We have Roma who now trail us by three points after Marek Hamsik's last-minute penalty got Napoli a point.
Yes,
Inter players celebrated victory like they have won Scudetto.
This was good chance to get close to them.
dan101rayzor
01-03-2010, 01:31
fuck... pato :(
Huntelaar on the United game: "I would like to play with two strikers plus Pato and Ronaldinho. We have to score at least two goals. We have to surprise them. They will think that the Italians will wait. If we attack them, we have a good chance."
I agree.
commandos
05-03-2010, 14:15
I agree.
I agree too, and If we score those 2 goals, then switch it to defensive formation, and try to finish them with counter attacks
All week the talk has been of Mancini taking Pato's role for the Roma game. Fast forward to today at 2pm when the squad for the game was announced...and he's not in it. Abate or Beckham to start wide on the right or a change to the way our front three line up?
GOALKEEPERS Abbiati, Dida, Roma
DEFENDERS Abate, Antonini, Bonera, Favalli, Jankulovski, Nesta, Oddo, Thiago Silva, Zambrotta
MIDFIELDERS Ambrosini, Beckham, Flamini, Pirlo
FORWARDS Borriello, Huntelaar, Inzaghi, Ronaldinho
I've italicised the ones I suspect will start - with Abate as a right winger.
chelsea11
05-03-2010, 18:40
It's not the strongest of teams in fairness. Ronaldinho and Huntelaar to put in quality performances and then maybe. Although in your defence, I don't really know any of your defenders bar Thiago and Nesta of course.
Feeling confident, Don?
5/3
It's not the strongest of teams in fairness. Ronaldinho and Huntelaar to put in quality performances and then maybe. Although in your defence, I don't really know any of your defenders bar Thiago and Nesta of course.
Feeling confident, Don?
Never. Midfield is where we're weakest although there's no depth to our defence with Zambrotta, Oddo and Favalli all being pretty poor - the first two haven't even played for months. In midfield, Ambrosini is useful but the rest are nothing special. Flamini hasn't been given much playing time this season so he's obviously a bit rusty.
6/3
An attacking move from Leo!
ROMA: Julio Sergio; Cassetti, Burdisso, Juan, Riise; De Rossi, Pizarro, Taddei, Perrotta, Baptista; Vucinic
MILAN: Abbiati; Bonera, Nesta, Thiago Silva, Antonini; Flamini, Pirlo, Ambrosini; Huntelaar, Borriello, Ronaldinho.
Jake Small
06-03-2010, 19:37
Good luck to Milan, hoping for a good one.
chelsea11
06-03-2010, 19:42
If United play as well as they did today against Wolves it may be impossible for you guys. :erm:
20:17
I can see Flamini getting sent off at some stage if he isn't substituted early enough. He's doing well but lacks the discpline/common sense to stop being aggressive when he's on a booking...especially this season for some reason.
21:37
A decent result but not as good as it should have been. We brought Beckham on for the last 15-20 and as such I fail to understand why he didn't get either of the two promising free-kicks we were awarded nor why the ball was repeatedly played to the left when he and Abate were in acres of free space on the right. Mix it up a bit and Ronaldinho will get more room on the left, no?
Barry hopefully you'll see this and its a Huntelaar question. Have you ever watched him and thought he was two yards behind where he should have been? Not quite on the last man, a bit slow getting into the area that sort of thing? He was given the right-sided role of our front three though with a slightly greater central focus to the one Pato has and Flamini was asked to go outside him so it isn't all down to that though it is a partial factor.
Guess Mourinho is happy...
I saw the first half and the last ten minutes of the second half. From what I saw, no one really pushed hard for the win.
Huntelaar should have buried that chance at the death, but if I saw a boot coming into the same direction as my head was going, I'd be a bit apprehensive too.
Edit: I agree Sweey. Beckham should have been on both of those late free kicks. The Ronaldinho one gave me a "what the fuck" expression, while the Pirlo one that went tamely into the wall is kind of the norm these days.
Guess Mourinho is happy...
I saw the first half and the last ten minutes of the second half. From what I saw, no one really pushed hard for the win.
Huntelaar should have buried that chance at the death, but if I saw a boot coming into the same direction as my head was going, I'd be a bit apprehensive too.
Edit: I agree Sweey. Beckham should have been on both of those late free kicks. The Ronaldinho one gave me a "what the fuck" expression, while the Pirlo one that went tamely into the wall is kind of the norm these days.
The Pirlo one had me wondering if he'd screw it up so badly it'd accidentally fall to one of our players but no, he couldn't beat the wall for the second or third time in the match. That must be why Thiago Silva appeared to be interested in taking it before being told he wasn't going to get a chance.
Speaking of Thiago Silva, immense once again. Absolutely love him.
Original?
06-03-2010, 21:59
I can't believe no one has taken Pirlo aside and said you're shit at free kicks, stop it. It's almost like Galliani is making them let Pirlo have a kick of the ball in much the same way an overbearing mother might force you to let your retarded cousin play.
'Awww... let him have a go!' they might say.
It's unbelievable to think he was once so consistent.
I can't believe no one has taken Pirlo aside and said you're shit at free kicks, stop it. It's almost like Galliani is making them let Pirlo have a kick of the ball in much the same way an overbearing mother might force you to let your retarded cousin play.
'Awww... let him have a go!' they might say.
It's unbelievable to think he was once so consistent.
Notice how it stopped once he won a World Cup?
The ONE thing Beckham gives you is set-pieces. He's likely to also give you dangerous crosses. That is his lot. If he's coming on and not being given the main reason he's on, why bring him on at all?
commandos
08-03-2010, 14:09
We were lucky last night. Inter didn't won, and race for Scudetto continues. I think Inter are playing vs Catania next match. It would be a difficult one for them.
20:17
I can see Flamini getting sent off at some stage if he isn't substituted early enough. He's doing well but lacks the discpline/common sense to stop being aggressive when he's on a booking...especially this season for some reason.
21:37
A decent result but not as good as it should have been. We brought Beckham on for the last 15-20 and as such I fail to understand why he didn't get either of the two promising free-kicks we were awarded nor why the ball was repeatedly played to the left when he and Abate were in acres of free space on the right. Mix it up a bit and Ronaldinho will get more room on the left, no?
Barry hopefully you'll see this and its a Huntelaar question. Have you ever watched him and thought he was two yards behind where he should have been? Not quite on the last man, a bit slow getting into the area that sort of thing? He was given the right-sided role of our front three though with a slightly greater central focus to the one Pato has and Flamini was asked to go outside him so it isn't all down to that though it is a partial factor.
I watched the game and was disappointed by the lack of support he got, though I was surprised that he was indeed half a step slower than usual on certain things.
I must say that posting him in right-wing kind of role is not a great tactical move. He's neither a crosser nor a dribbler and he just doesn't adjust too well to anything other than a center striker.
Is there really nothing a referee can do when a boot is that near to the face?
I watched the game and was disappointed by the lack of support he got, though I was surprised that he was indeed half a step slower than usual on certain things.
I must say that posting him in right-wing kind of role is not a great tactical move. He's neither a crosser nor a dribbler and he just doesn't adjust too well to anything other than a center striker.
Is there really nothing a referee can do when a boot is that near to the face?
Seemingly not and as annoying as it was I can't exactly blame him for pulling out of that. He wants to be fit for some games in the near future after all.
The right-wing experiment....it was a tad odd but Leonardo allowed him to move to a slightly more central role with Flamini going wide of him. It did force him away from his comfort zone though.
Pato is in Manchester but we don't know if he's fit enough to start or not.
commandos
10-03-2010, 11:09
AC Milan chief executive Adriano Galliani has revealed that Alexandre Pato’s hamstring injury is expected to keep the Brazilian striker out of tonight's Champions League last 16 second leg tie with Manchester United at Old Trafford.
“It’s unlikely that Pato will make it and I think [Marco] Borriello, [Klaas-Jan] Huntelaar and Ronaldinho will play up front,” Galliani told Sky Sport 24.
Milan trail 3-2 from the first leg and the Italians face an uphill battle to book their place in the last eight of the competition, but Galliani is cautiously confident.
“We can do it, this is the feeling I get after that first leg,” he said.
“We think we can put up a fight, but I won’t make predictions. It is an exciting game, like many that we have faced throughout this club’s history.”
http://www.goal.com/en/news/1716/champions-league/2010/03/10/1826092/adriano-galliani-ac-milan-star-alexandre-pato-unlikely-to
It will be difficult without Pato, but we can win it, I know we can.
14:37
As things stand at this very moment Nesta, Antonini and Pato will all miss the game with injury.
Bonera will move into central defence, Abate will go to right-back and Jankulovski will play at left-back. Huntelaar will play in a front three with Borriello and Ronaldinho as he did in the 0-0 draw with Roma on Saturday night.
18:58
Manchester United: Van Der Sar; Neville, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra; Fletcher, Scholes, Park; Valencia, Nani; Rooney
Subs: Kuszczak, Berbatov, Rafael, Evans, Obertan, Gibson, Diouf
Milan: Abbiati; Abate, Bonera, Thiago Silva, Jankulovski; Flamini, Pirlo, Ambrosini; Huntelaar, Borriello, Ronaldinho
Subs: Dida, Gattuso, Inzaghi, Seedorf, Zambrotta, Favalli, Beckham
Oh dear.
uA - 1905
10-03-2010, 19:13
Pato not playing is a blow. I'm confused about the line-up though, is it an Ancelotti-esque 4-3-1-2? Or is Borriello a winger, and Leonardo hasn't changed anything tactically? Interesting shit indeed.
Pato not playing is a blow. I'm confused about the line-up though, is it an Ancelotti-esque 4-3-1-2? Or is Borriello a winger, and Leonardo hasn't changed anything tactically? Interesting shit indeed.
Huntelaar will be asked to play wide right but float to a central position with Flamini overlapping him.
No Pato is a huge offensive blow. No Nesta is a huge defensive one. Thiago Silva has to play in defence alongside a potential clown, a natural-born winger and a youngster who never reached the heights that were expected of him.
Pato not playing is a blow. I'm confused about the line-up though, is it an Ancelotti-esque 4-3-1-2? Or is Borriello a winger, and Leonardo hasn't changed anything tactically? Interesting shit indeed.
Huntelaar was more of a right sided striker against Roma. Borriello was central.
No Nesta, Antonini (you could have really used his attacking nature in this must win game) and Pato is a nightmare though.
If you somehow get through tonight, then it could be bigger than the 7 times you won the competition.
If the line-up i've just seen is correct, Neville is going to start. Isn't Fergie underestimating Ronaldinho with such a move? I think so.
Huntelaar was more of a right sided striker against Roma. Borriello was central.
No Nesta, Antonini (you could have really used his attacking nature in this must win game) and Pato is a nightmare though.
If you somehow get through tonight, then it could be bigger than the 7 times you won the competition.
Only if we went on to win it again :> - which we won't. If we somehow got through we'd get Inter in the next round and go out over two legs without scoring.
I almost don't want to watch tonight because I can't see anything good coming of it but of course I'll watch every second of it anyway.
If the line-up i've just seen is correct, Neville is going to start. Isn't Fergie underestimating Ronaldinho with such a move? I think so.
Can only fucking hope so Usul. He's never going to get back to his Barcelona form but he has been superb lately - the one thing missing from his game early in the season, those driving runs forward to attack a defence are used a lot more frequently and that coupled with his high number of assists this season (over 20) shows he's been a regular threat.
Only if we went on to win it again :> - which we won't. If we somehow got through we'd get Inter in the next round and go out over two legs without scoring.
I almost don't want to watch tonight because I can't see anything good coming of it but of course I'll watch every second of it anyway.
What you trying to say, Sweey? :crymore:
Even though it is feint, at least the Scudetto is still a possibility.
chelsea11
10-03-2010, 19:34
Only if we went on to win it again :> - which we won't. If we somehow got through we'd get CHELSEA in the next round and go out over two legs without scoring.
I almost don't want to watch tonight because I can't see anything good coming of it but of course I'll watch every second of it anyway.
Corrected. ;)
What you trying to say, Sweey? :crymore:
Even though it is feint, at least the Scudetto is still a possibility.
Ha trust me, if we went through they'd go through to spite me and then give us a pasting just to fuck me off even more.
Do knock them out next week though please. Can't let the scum travel to more European cities.
Mjällharth
10-03-2010, 20:30
Judging by tonight I'd rather even have Dida in goal than Abbiati, but I've a feeling it's something to do with form with him having only recently returned from injury (I think it is so).
20:45
I've defended Huntelaar so very much since he joined but there's no way I'm letting him off with not scoring early on. Not a fucking chance is anyone getting off tonight.
Borriello is working hard, Ronaldinho is trying to create things and Pirlo is controlling our momentum.
Jankulovski is living up to being the clown I alluded to him being at the start, Bonera to his "once a youngster with so much promise but hasn't fulfiled it", Abate's crossing is atrocious for a winger which is what he is and Ambrosini and Flamini...well they're just not dynamic enough.
I'm going to go back to it time and again until we fix the problem: Berlusconi was a fool to pull out of the deal for Aly Cissokho.
20:47
I disagree with Ferguson there. 1-0 or 2-0 makes no difference to us. 2-0 won't kill the tie because we need three goals regardless. The fact United can score one and it not affect us simply means we're allowed one massive error.
Original?
10-03-2010, 20:48
Seedorf on for Bonera, how is that one working?
Not well...
There goes the massive error flying out of the window :faceplm:
Ambrosini at centre-back, tight-fisted Berlusconi rubbing his hands with glee.
ThaReaper01
10-03-2010, 20:49
There goes the massive error flying out of the window :faceplm:
Ambrosini at centre-back, tight-fisted Berlusconi rubbing his hands with glee.
hahaha:lol:
hahaha:lol:
Kindly fuck off to the United thread.
ThaReaper01
10-03-2010, 20:53
Kindly fuck off to the United thread.
A bit butt hurt are we? Understandable.
A bit butt hurt are we? Understandable.
Never have I gone to an opponent's thread during or after a European game and disrespected them. Perhaps you could learn something called class. You don't hear me pulling out the stats of how we're more successful than you even though I could do so with fucking ease.
Why is Thiago Silva our central defender being forced to run down the right? Abate turned into a lazy cunt?
Jonno394
10-03-2010, 20:58
Just turned it on to see hunterlaar miss a really good chance, is that what the story of the game has been/ Man U taking their chances but AC having plenty but missing?
ThaReaper01
10-03-2010, 20:59
Never have I gone to an opponent's thread during or after a European game and disrespected them. Perhaps you could learn something called class. You don't hear me pulling out the stats of how we're more successful than you even though I could do so with fucking ease.
Why is Thiago Silva our central defender being forced to run down the right? Abate turned into a lazy cunt?
The fuck are you talking about? I was laughing at what you said, not at your team. I wanted to laugh at your team I would. Grow up.
Original?
10-03-2010, 21:00
Never have I gone to an opponent's thread during or after a European game and disrespected them. Perhaps you could learn something called class. Don't hear me pulling out the stats of how we're more successful than you even though I could do so with fucking ease.
Class from one of the United troglodytes? Unlikely, there are few United fans with it and you know the vast majority at a glance. TheReaper isn't one of them, quite obviously.
This one looks beyond you and unfortunately I think it was lost in the first half of the first leg when you failed to take your chances.
Just turned it on to see hunterlaar miss a really good chance, is that what the story of the game has been/ Man U taking their chances but AC having plenty but missing?
Not at all. We had two early chances after a half chance for Rooney and should have scored. Thiago Silva played a ball over the defence right onto Huntelaar's foot and he tried to control it instead of volleying it. After that, we conceded and died.
Class from one of the United troglodytes? Unlikely, there are few United fans with it and you know the vast majority at a glance. TheReaper isn't one of them, quite obviously.
This one looks beyond you and unfortunately I think it was lost in the first half of the first leg when you failed to take your chances.
Most definitely and now we're 3-0 down. The defence is laughable but I'll spare Thiago Silva.
Leonardo won't stay beyond this summer which is good and bad - good because he's been shown up in European games and bad because it may prolong the stay of Gattuso and other useless individuals who are clearly not in his plans.
Jonno394
10-03-2010, 21:02
I rate Park, but that defending to let him in was abysmal
ThaReaper01
10-03-2010, 21:03
Class from one of the United troglodytes? Unlikely, there are few United fans with it and you know the vast majority at a glance. TheReaper isn't one of them, quite obviously.
This one looks beyond you and unfortunately I think it was lost in the first half of the first leg when you failed to take your chances.
Yes. Of course. Because you know me so well and you can justify an opinion. Good job.
:thumbsup:
I rate Park, but that defending to let him in was abysmal
With Jankulovski involved its always going to be abysmal. He's only a shade better than bloody Favalli.
Jonno394
10-03-2010, 21:06
I was gonna ask where favalli was, has he died, or has Leonardo come to his senses?
Oh wait, Beckhams here to save the day.....bet you're well happy sweey
Inzaghi to score five in 22 minutes :/
The use of Favalli was because Jankulovski was unfit Jonno but still, would've picked our youth player De Vito.
Jonno394
10-03-2010, 21:12
If you were being serious i'd say you were almost as bad as a liverpool fan!!
If you were being serious i'd say you were almost as bad as a liverpool fan!!
:laugh:
It is essential that in the summer Dida, Favalli, Oddo, Jankulovski, Zambrotta, Gattuso and Inzaghi at the very least leave the club.
Gattuso's replacement would need to be a dynamic all-action midfielder, Inzaghi's replacement would need to be Paloschi and then we could look at sorting out our wing-back roles and likely replacing Huntelaar with someone.
Edin Dzeko looks out of our price range at €40m; perhaps we should have just stumped up the €25-30m Wolfsburg wanted last summer and saved ourselves so much fucking trouble. A man who is desperate to play for the club he's always supported and we use it as a tool to try and get him on the cheap. Hats off to Berlusconi...I wonder if he converted to Judaism and didn't tell anyone.
Will some of our ultras give Hunter a kicking or are they saving it all for Galliani and Berlusconi? Thoughts.
muscularmatt
10-03-2010, 21:25
Well Milanites, what's gone wrong? I'm not talking about tonight, but the picture in general. Milan have slipped from being one of the most feared in Europe to what we see now.
Is it the beautiful, yet inexpirienced coach? The core of the playing staff doesn't seem that radically different from the terror inspiring side of 2004, so what is it?
Where's the motherfucking right-back?!
Jonno394
10-03-2010, 21:30
I think sweey answered your question already in his post. Milan are the old guard of european football....(fletcher just made it 4), they have too many players whose legs cannot keep up the pace with european football.
Plus they have Ronaldinho who thinks defending is beneath him.
Dont worry sweey, Real are shit too.
I think sweey answered your question already in his post. Milan are the old guard of european football....(fletcher just made it 4), they have too many players whose legs cannot keep up the pace with european football.
But Berlusconi thinks they can so he won't buy anyone...and if we lose he blames the coach or even Galliani...anyone but himself.
BarnDoor
10-03-2010, 21:32
Sweey why is your team so shit? I thought Newcastle were bad but Milan are really something. If you didn't have such a bwoar manager you'd really be in the shit.
You better hope Phat hasn't got a mic in clubs later. If he has, just tell him he's a cunt and should fuck off and die.
Sweey why is your team so shit? I thought Newcastle were bad but Milan are really something. If you didn't have such a bwoar manager you'd really be in the shit.
You better hope Phat hasn't got a mic in clubs later. If he has, just tell him he's a cunt and should fuck off and die.
I will, trust me.
We're this shit because we made the mistake of winning the 2007 Champions League. That success immediately stopped the board making any changes to the team and now three years later we're out of money and scraping a team together, mixing youngsters who need time with old players who just aren't good enough anymore (yes Favalli, Oddo, Zambrotta, Jankulovski, Gattuso and Inzaghi, I'm talking about you).
Leonardo has made the critical error of telling the front three not to defend which you can get away with domestically but never in Europe. Class from Leo there, congratulating Rooney who is clearly at this moment in time one of the two best players in the world.
Jonno394
10-03-2010, 21:37
Who would the other be? Messi or Ronaldo?
Surely being so thoroughly embarrassed like this should show the board the team just can't cut it?
If he has, just tell him he's a cunt and should fuck off and die.
I'd say do this most of the time tbh
Who would the other be? Messi or Ronaldo?
Surely being so thoroughly embarrassed like this should show the board the team just can't cut it?
Messi.
The board (Berlusconi) will blame Leonardo for his naive tactics and Galliani for poor signings. He'll say he's invested more than enough in team (yes on the likes of flipping Gilardino) and that we can't afford to keep spending big.
Aly Cissoko goes on, Kaka is out with us. That does please me as its two fingers up to Real and four fingers up to our board (two on each hand, obviously).
Tonight you saw our defence when Alessandro Nesta is missing. Thiago Silva is going to be magnificent but at the moment controlling the whole back four in a game like this is too much for him, especially when they're all farcical.
BarnDoor
10-03-2010, 21:41
Sweey, I think, given that you're the main representative of Milan on this board, you should resign your position as Admin in shame. I for one am embarassed to have a fan of such a shit team as the figurehead of this forum.
And you forgot Pirlo in that list of bollocks players, I didn't realize he was this shit-smelling until I saw him tonight; I always rated him based on beforehand, but of course I based that on virtually nothing. Well, that spin in the Confederations Cup last year was pretty special.
Jonno394
10-03-2010, 21:41
When your left back is being left 2 vs 1 and hasnt got the pace, I think you're always going to struggle.
Club anyone?
Sweey, I think, given that you're the main representative of Milan on this board, you should resign your position as Admin in shame. I for one am embarassed to have a fan of such a shit team as the figurehead of this forum.
I second that motion! Good day sir!!
Barn :laugh:
I'll be on for clubs in 5-10. If we come up against United I'll be getting sent off early.
CDDRodrigo
10-03-2010, 21:44
Shit. The two teams I was rooting for today are not good. Especially the aging Milan, which capitancy is given to AMBROSINI, a guy worse than Neville technically. Pirlo is utterly crap. Abbiatti is even worse than Dida. Ronaldinho is not a big-game man. Pato and Nesta were missing. Leonardo isn't the best of the coaches either.
Resuming: Or Milan change ALL their squad bar Pato, or they won't win anything anymore.
Resuming: Or Milan change ALL their squad bar Pato, or they won't win anything anymore.
Nesta? Thiago Silva?
Pretty much everyone else can fuck off though.
BarnDoor
10-03-2010, 21:46
I probably won't be on until about 11; you better make sure you're still on then.
Leonardo gave credit to Manchester United and confessed “the psychological aspect” was crucial in Milan's collapse.
“I think there are many things to analyse and it's not the right time. Apart from the fact the first half could've been a different result, but it was a clear victory for Manchester tonight and that is obvious,” he said of the 4-0 defeat, 7-2 on aggregate.
“We knew it took an incredible performance to overturn the first leg, but Manchester United got off to a very strong start and scored an early goal.
“This match was strongly affected by the psychological approach of the two teams. I don't think it can affect us in Serie A, as the team is very mature and we will discuss it between ourselves.
“This side has done some great things this season, including in the Champions League, and we are doing very well in Serie A with a four-point gap from the lead. I think we should consider this match for what it is and that goes for the first leg too.”
It was always going to be tough to overturn a 3-2 home defeat, but it became even trickier once Alexandre Pato, Alessandro Nesta and Luca Antonini were ruled out through injury.
“In all honesty, straight after the home game I had a strong belief, as the way we played was very good, aside from the result,” maintained Leonardo.
“Here the game started in a strange way and we were faced with a team on a great night with real talent who expressed themselves. The 4-0 has to be tied to the fact we needed three goals and so the belief drained out of us.
“We cannot deny that the Champions League was one of our targets. This is a heavy defeat against one of the main contenders for the title and are in great shape right now.”
With Pato absent, Leonardo opted for the same trident attack of Klaas-Jan Huntelaar, Marco Borriello and Ronaldinho that played in the 0-0 at Roma.
“I chose my line-up for Roma, but we also had in mind to experiment something that could be useful this evening. We needed to score early, get back from a deficit and make a real impact without Pato.
“I don't think it was a tactical issue tonight, as many things happened over the last couple of days that affected our preparation.”
He also explained why Clarence Seedorf replaced Daniele Bonera at half-time, mere seconds before Wayne Rooney scored his second.
“We were losing 1-0 and knew we had to score three. I introduced Seedorf, who is not fit to play 90 minutes yet, to push the team up. Bonera got an injury, so he had to be one of them and I opted to put Massimo Ambrosini in defence so we wouldn't lose any more substitutions.”
Leonardo was treated to a glass of wine after the final whistle by Sir Alex Ferguson.
“Obviously for the man who lost the wine will taste a little more bitter. Unfortunately it's football and one wins, one loses, but friendship, fair play and recognising the qualities of the other team is important.”
.
requiem7
10-03-2010, 22:49
Seedorf was great when he came on. He didn't lose the ball much if at all but when he came on there was too much to do.
Beckham also played well. Ronaldinho could have put more effort in. But it was a clinical and classy perfornance from United.
We're this shit because we made the mistake of winning the 2007 Champions League.
I don't want to ever hear you saying this again, Sweey. I understand your development has halted since then, but if you had lost that final, a terrible team would have won it.
You may have had to take one for the team, but to stop that team winning the trophy and telling the world, "they won it 6 times", was more important.
Tonight result really sucks. Hopefully you can use this to fuel your title challenge. Roma aren't going to win it (they have Claudio "always a bridesmaid, never a bride" Ranieri managing them), so I'd love to see Milan winning it. Well, anyone but Inter.
CDDRodrigo
10-03-2010, 23:59
Nesta? Thiago Silva?
Pretty much everyone else can fuck off though.
Yeah, these ones can stay too.
All the rest are TOO old. And without Maldini, Milan seems to have gotten worse.
Meyyappan
11-03-2010, 10:02
I don't want to ever hear you saying this again, Sweey. I understand your development has halted since then, but if you had lost that final, a terrible team would have won it.
You may have had to take one for the team, but to stop that team winning the trophy and telling the world, "they won it 6 times", was more important.
Tonight result really sucks. Hopefully you can use this to fuel your title challenge. Roma aren't going to win it (they have Claudio "always a bridesmaid, never a bride" Ranieri managing them), so I'd love to see Milan winning it. Well, anyone but Inter.
And rafa would have the champions league twice in 2 years,the kop would have become the second team with most champions league..
And rafa would have the champions league twice in 2 years,the kop would have become the second team with most champions league..
Twice in two years? Thought Porto won it in 2006.
The Kop has a team?
:laugh:
Barry, take Huntelaar. I sincerely believe he's ended any chance of staying next season with last night's total fuck-up from Thiago Silva's excellent ball early on. He should have enough confidence at the moment given his recent goals. Should also have netted in the first leg.
Bah!
Bammers05
11-03-2010, 14:00
Twice in two years? Thought Porto won it in 2006.
Actually, Barcelona won it in 2006 :(
Mullet Taylor
11-03-2010, 14:10
oaft. don is human afterall
Sarcasm anyone?
I was lowering myself to Meyyappan's level. A tough task I clearly excelled at!
One day I'll learn sarcasm on the internet doesn't work and just makes me look stupid :>
Twice in two years? Thought Porto won it in 2006.
:laugh:
Barry, take Huntelaar. I sincerely believe he's ended any chance of staying next season with last night's total fuck-up from Thiago Silva's excellent ball early on. He should have enough confidence at the moment given his recent goals. Should also have netted in the first leg.
Bah!
I was surprised he didn't connect on that. I just felt he could have truly established himself, had he scored a goal.
commandos
11-03-2010, 15:47
Shit game for Milan. I can't believe. With results like this those players are embarrassing club.
What we were just 5-6 yers ago, a real powerhouse, and what we're now?
The whole squad needs to be replaced with the exception of Pato, Nesta, Silva, Flamini and maybe Dinho and Abbiati.
Why the fu***ng youngsters aren't playing? I'm sure that most of them would play better than Ambrosini, Gattuso, Pirlo, Favalli (what the f*ck is this guy doing, go and play with your grandchildrens) and the rest of old, slow "players".
Why can't we have young players like Arsenal?
I didn't see any of the game, except the goals at about midnight, so can't comment too much.
That said, I'd find it hard to believe that beating a team 7-2 on agg isn't deserved (not suggesting anyone has claimed otherwise btw).
Did Huntelaar miss at 0-0?
I didn't see any of the game, except the goals at about midnight, so can't comment too much.
That said, I'd find it hard to believe that beating a team 7-2 on agg isn't deserved (not suggesting anyone has claimed otherwise btw).
Did Huntelaar miss at 0-0?
Yes :faceplm:
We deserved fuck all from the game as we did fuck all after he failed to shoot.
The real crisis in Italy has finally hit home - we're going down to fourth in the co-efficient rankings for the 2011/2012 season barring a miracle. That means only three Champions League spots.
So most likely one of Inter, Juventus, Meeeeeelan and Roma won't feature...
So most likely one of Inter, Juventus, Meeeeeelan and Roma won't feature...
Sort of - as its the 2011/2012 season an not next season I personally wouldn't necessarily say Roma will be in contention. I'll be expecting a lot more from Fiorentina and a surge from one of Palermo, Genoa and Napoli.
Of course the way things are going with the age of our squad, we probably wouldn't be in contention either :/
lol, why hasn't one of these billionaires come in for you lot? I mean if Man City can get someone like that, why not Meeeeeeeeelan?
lol, why hasn't one of these billionaires come in for you lot? I mean if Man City can get someone like that, why not Meeeeeeeeelan?
We're in a completely different financial situation in Italy:
-Stadiums are old and owned by councils who refuse to let us rebuild them or buy them.
-TV deals are not yet negotiable in the same model the Premier League has enjoyed for over a decade.
-Taxes are higher.
-There's a lot of crafty accounting going on - Roma would've been bought four years ago but the group severely interested in them uncovered something and ran away.
-We are a supposed target for the very people who own Manchester City but in all honesty, I'd rather we found an Italian owner. If we do end up being owned by rich foreigners, I'd want them to do things sensibly - what's the point in spending tons for a short-term project which cripples the club's financnes long-term?
Reading about the co-efficient; you better start backing Inter in Europe, Sweey!
Reading about the co-efficient; you better start backing Inter in Europe, Sweey!
Already am. See Europa League thread.
Might have to kill myself before the second leg at this rate.
Wayne Rooney effectively mind-fucked Milan with his first goal. Milan started the game well and had a sensational chance to take the lead, only to squander it before looking on as Wayne Rooney, in clinical fashion, headed us into the lead, giving Milan an absolute mountain to climb. Rooney then drained all life out of Milan with his second goal, snuffing out any re-instilled confidence that Leonardo may have achieved at half-time. Trying to combat Manchester United with an in form Wayne Rooney is hard enough but, the timing of the goals certainly made it that much harder. It was unfortunate, too, that every player in a red shirt played their socks off.
The difference in desire and workrate between the sides was vast. Every single Manchester United player ran their hearts out, effectively sweating blood for the cause, save for maybe Nani who to be fair did his share as the game wore on. Milan on the other hand had three forwards who ceased to exist outside the final third. And a player in Pirlo who doesn't move around a great deal, anyway, due to his lack of physicality, nevermind looking like a lazy bastard who couldn't care less. Couple that with the fact that Alex Ferguson set up our midfield to directly shut down Milan's heart by putting Ji-Sung Park on top of Pirlo with orders to shadow him everywhere he went, with Fletcher and Scholes occupying his "minders" in Ambrosini and Flamini. Leonardo would have been better dropping Pirlo altogether, as the first leg showed we knew exactly how to counter-act Pirlo doing anything at all.
I used to rate Huntelaar but, over the two legs he really struggled. He had a glorious chance in the first leg, and two solid chances in the second. He should have been taking it first time from Thiago Silva's mesmerising pass. Thiago Silva; what a player, by the way. And the header from all of four yards out, albeit coming at him quickly and awkwardly, could've been taken better. You'd have to think that Rooney, or van Nistelrooy (whom Huntelaar is often compared) would've kept it on target. The chance in the first leg is what all forwards hope for; bearing down on goal with time to pick your spot. I really thought Huntelaar was going to shine at Milan and become a world beater. Under difference circumstances he may well have done so. Maybe he still can.
I think Manchester United would have trumped this Milan side no matter what, but Leonardo is correct to highlight the timing of the goals and their demoralising effect on his side. For this Manchester United side, though, it is a massive moral boost to come away with a win at the San Siro and then thump Milan at Old Trafford. We're far from the perfect side this season but with confidence high and a fit Wayne Rooney we could just come out trumps.
You can guarantee that clubs are going to come knocking for Thiago Silva sooner, rather than later. Get him tied down. And speaking of clubs coming knocking. If Ancelotti and Chelsea come enquiring about Pirlo in the summer. Offer to pay his flight and taxi to see it through.
Oh how I'd love to do so Winger but we've been slapped in the face already with words along the lines of "we don't need revolutionising, we just need a few adjustments".
Er right...so we don't need to rid ourselves of Dida, Favalli, Oddo, Zambrotta, Jankulovski, Kaladze, Gattuso, Inzaghi and perhaps another then? We don't still need two new wing-backs Leonardo desperately wanted last summer? We don't still need a striker who carries a significant, all-round goal threat? We don't need a dynamic, box-to-box midfielder?
Give me a break Leonardo. He started off with a spine and appears to have had it removed by the board.
We lost a European spot already when we all got knocked out last round. Finally Italy and the Netherlands have something in common! We should merge the two leagues together, of course you'll have to learn how not to defend and we'll have drastically downgrade our security standards but I feel it could work. I'll enjoy watching Del Piero's corpse being spit at and his mother insulted at ADO Den Haag.
commandos
12-03-2010, 12:20
Well Bundesliga is very close to Serie A in Uefa coefficients ranking. And I believe it's not Milan's fault. Inter, Juve, Roma, Fiorentina are all shit in Europe.
And it will be even closer if one of the Bundesliga teams wins Europa league, what is highly possible.
12:32
We lost a European spot already when we all got knocked out last round. Finally Italy and the Netherlands have something in common! We should merge the two leagues together, of course you'll have to learn how not to defend and we'll have drastically downgrade our security standards but I feel it could work. I'll enjoy watching Del Piero's corpse being spit at and his mother insulted at ADO Den Haag.
:laugh:!
Can you imagine how low Feyenoord would end up?
17:54
Nesta has a torn knee tendon. Basically, he's out for the season.
Fuck me, if we can't wake up and realise we need more quality central defenders (Bonucci or Ranocchia for example) with this news, we never will.
I wonder what will become of Onyewu this summer. Probably nothing due to our lack of funds to replace him.
CDDRodrigo
12-03-2010, 19:55
I really feel sorry for AC Milan.
Moratti should buy this team. It would work better.
Well Milanites, what's gone wrong? I'm not talking about tonight, but the picture in general. Milan have slipped from being one of the most feared in Europe to what we see now.
Is it the beautiful, yet inexpirienced coach? The core of the playing staff doesn't seem that radically different from the terror inspiring side of 2004, so what is it?
That 'core' has aged 6 years, dumbo.
CDDRodrigo
13-03-2010, 01:58
Playing staff? It's more watch-Rooney-doing-a-C.-Ronaldo Staff.
My post from the Serie A thread which clearly belongs here:
No. I will consider it a victory if we can replace seven players with younger versions. Problems will start arising fast if we sell Flamini or Huntelaar and then claim there will be no more exits from those areas of the team. Huntelaar looks gone, Flamini deserves to stay even if he's been less impressive this season than last - and to be fair he hasn't played much.
The biggest problem in all of this is that the players who need to leave have no value at all. Who would pay to buy Favalli? We couldn't give Oddo away last summer. Jankulovski is clearly a liability. If Rubin Kazan do end up offering around €6m for Kaladze I'll tear their fucking arms off and fly to Milan to pack his shit myself.
I know this isn't the Milan thread but meh, here are the players I think we seriously, seriously need to see the back of this summer:
Dida (his wages are a joke), Favalli, Oddo, Jankulovski, Kaladze, Gattuso, Inzaghi.
I'm even being SO realistic here - Pirlo won't leave even though he should. We won't get rid of Zambrotta and I suppose if he's treated as a backup player only that's fine. A goalkeeper, left-back, right-back, central defender, box-to-box midfielder (Hernanes? Could be a huge risk though...there must be a reason he's 24/25 and still in Brazil) and the successful return of Alberto Paloschi would replace the above. Then we can look at getting in a highly gifted striker. Edin Dzeko is €40m but I'm going to stick my neck out and tell you all right now that I believe he will become a better player than Fernando Torres.
I believe we are counting Dominic Adiyiah as a player for next season - I've seen a lot of Italian news about him the last few days but not read any of it yet. Our youth team coach Giovanni Stroppa was giving him the once over. There's two strikers in our youth squad who are promising (one co-owned by AlbinoLeffe) and I expect Matteo Darmian to either fulfil his potential or get sold. Same goes for Michaelangelo Albertazzi though he's younger. He was supposed to be part of the first team this season but it hasn't happened. Oh and I like our youth team left-back De Vito. The attacking midfielder Simone Verdi not so much.
Mullet Taylor
13-03-2010, 03:05
whats dida's wages ?
commandos
13-03-2010, 11:10
I still can't regret Aly Cissokho. That man is beast :D
If Rubin Kazan do end up offering around €6m for Kaladze I'll tear their fucking arms off and fly to Milan to pack his shit myself.
:laugh:
A very sensible look at the situation. I can see Paloschi being touted as the reason not to buy a new striker, I foresee Beckham being bought out of LA and offered a big contract at Milan, and Inzaghi and Gattuso being kept to back up whoever in attack/midfield.
And if you somehow, someway end up with the league title at a long shot, you just know they'll change even less than they are planning.
13:10
whats dida's wages ?
€4m per season. Might not seem like a lot to you at first think that Kaka was on about €7m per season.
:laugh:
A very sensible look at the situation. I can see Paloschi being touted as the reason not to buy a new striker, I foresee Beckham being bought out of LA and offered a big contract at Milan, and Inzaghi and Gattuso being kept to back up whoever in attack/midfield.
And if you somehow, someway end up with the league title at a long shot, you just know they'll change even less than they are planning.
Exactly. Yet I'd still love to win the title but its gotten to the stage where I'm actually not sure what sort of results are best for the club. Gattuso was given a new contract to June 2012 in December/January which just looks like a horrible mistake. Leonardo still isn't picking him much and when he does, Gattuso isn't at all impressive.
14:46
Latest rumours:
-Dida's contract will not be renewed; we will not sign a new goalkeeper instead opting to trust the trio of Abbiati, Storari (currently loaned to Sampdoria) and Roma.
-Favalli will indeed retire this summer
-We will soon enter negotiations with Cagliari president Massimo Cellino for the return of 23-year-old defender Davide Astori who has been in Sardinia in a co-ownership deal since 2008. I'd forgotten about him!
Get yourself registered on some random Scottish football website, Sweey. Start stirring up rumours about Rangers looking to bring Gattuso back to Ibrox. Rangers fans adore him so much they'll be blind to his average ability these days, and he'll be off in the summer! And to be honest, he'd still dominate in the SPL it's that poor of a standard.
Worth a shot!
13/03
Squad for Chievo:
Milan squad: Abbiati, Dida, Abate, Favalli, Jankulovski, Kaladze, Oddo, Thiago Silva, Zambrotta, Ambrosini, Beckham, Flamini, Gattuso, Pirlo, Seedorf, Adiyiah, Borriello, Huntelaar, Inzaghi, Ronaldinho.
We've confirmed that Nesta's season is basically over and that he will undergo knee surgery on Monday. Bonera is out for 10-15 days and Antonini, Onyewu, Pato and Mancini are all out of the Chievo game.
Adiyiah in our front-three from the start? I wish. The boy has pace. In fact, I hear he's faster than Pato.
14/03
When Inzaghi can't score from six yards you know it isn't your night :no:
commandos
14-03-2010, 22:30
I can't believe we can't score a goal.
When on top of that Beckham can't score from eight yards, it underlines the point.
How we need a young creative midfielder. I don't know....someone like Gourcuff? :faceplm:
commandos
14-03-2010, 22:32
We need good CF, Boriello plays like my grandma
chelsea11
14-03-2010, 22:33
When on top of that Beckham can't score from eight yards, it underlines the point.
How we need a young creative midfielder. I don't know....someone like Gourcuff? :faceplm:
And Inzaghi from four or five.
commandos
14-03-2010, 22:35
Shit Shit Shit, I can't believe what Inzaghi is doing
Seedorf!!!!!!!
Fucking brilliant strike!!!
ThaReaper01
14-03-2010, 22:37
Ah that goal made me wet.
commandos
14-03-2010, 22:37
Omg I can't belive, Seedorf piece of magic.
We need good CF, Boriello plays like my grandma
On that note, I can't tell you how much I want your fellow countryman (Edin Dzeko) to join us, despite his ridiculous asking price.
I just hope we can hold on now as we've only got 10 on the pitch following Beckham's potentially very serious injury.
chelsea11
14-03-2010, 22:39
Nice!
Your team is shockingly bad though. Team is too old, and/or lazy. Everytime Chievo take a shot, its heart in your mouth moment. Goalkeeper is very dodgy, lucky enough there haven't been many shots for him to deal with.
commandos
14-03-2010, 22:40
On that note, I can't tell you how much I want your fellow countryman (Edin Dzeko) to join us, despite his ridiculous asking price.
I just hope we can hold on now as we've only got 10 on the pitch following Beckham's potentially very serious injury.
Me too :D
I hope he'll come
We need to hold on just a minute more
Nice!
Your team is shockingly bad though. Team is too old, and/or lazy. Everytime Chievo take a shot, its heart in your mouth moment. Goalkeeper is very dodgy, lucky enough there haven't been many shots for him to deal with.
Things will only get worse - as the injures pile up we're being forced to use players we clearly don't want to. Oddo, for example, was told in the summer to leave as he wouldn't get picked. He's only playing because Jankulovski had another shocker, Antonini, Abate and Bonera are injured and as such Zambrotta who has barely stepped onto the pitch this season is already on at left-back.
Me too :D
I hope he'll come
We need to hold on just a minute more
He'd start walking to Milan right now if it were up to him. We wouldn't offer €25-30m last summer, now we have to offer €40m. No doubt we'll try and offer less hoping he'll force Wolfsburg to sell him because of his desire. I'm sure a team like Chelsea will match the asking price though.
Back to the injures, I do hope we see Dominic Adiyiah soon. He's hardly the finished article but he's a wide forward and shit quick which means he should, invariably, produce some form of goal threat now and then.
chelsea11
14-03-2010, 22:43
Do you not have a youth team? Under 21 or whatever it is in Italy. Surely there is one or two youngsters that can be involved and integrated in with the older experienced players and maybe inject some pace and passion into the team. Tonight was the slowest most tentitive game I've watched in a while.
Do you not have a youth team? Under 21 or whatever it is in Italy. Surely there is one or two youngsters that can be involved and integrated in with the older experienced players and maybe inject some pace and passion into the team. Tonight was the slowest most tentitive game I've watched in a while.
We do have seven particularly promising youngsters in the youth team - target men Giacomo Beretta and Gianmarco Zigoni, midfielder Rodney Strasser, left-back Andrea De Vito, central defender Michaelangelo Albertazzi, attacking midfielder Simone Verdi (he's got a lot of work to do to impress me from what I've seen so far) and foward Andrea Schenetti.
We're actually top of the youth league (for a change) though Inter who are seven points back have three matches in hand.
A necessary win tonight - not for the title but to get away from Roma. We've got plenty of problems to come and we really need to put space between ourselves and the rest.
commandos
14-03-2010, 22:47
Huh the game finished, it was fucking hear attack game.
Inzaghi missed 2 or 3 clear opportunities
We have Aubameyang at loan in Lille, he looks pretty good
Huh the game finished, it was fucking hear attack game.
Inzaghi missed 2 or 3 clear opportunities
We have Aubameyang at loan in Lille, he looks pretty good
I like him a lot, he's only young as well but we don't seem willing to give him or his brothers (we still own Willy but sold Catilina years ago) a chance.
Now in fairness, Catilina has been pretty shit in general through his career and Willy though impressive for the youth team is yet to do well at senior level for any club. Pierre-Emerick, however, strikes me as a player who might become decently dangerous. Will probably spend most of his career in Ligue 1 though.
commandos
14-03-2010, 22:59
That guy Nigerian, Odu looks really impressive, I remembered him when he was playing ws Inter, and of course we need to get Paloschi back.
Ah my bad. Oduamadi is another one of our talented young players.
commandos
15-03-2010, 00:22
I don't know why Adiyah isn't playing?
I should find out this week. Will let you know.
EDIT: Beckham out for season.
Well, tomorrow's game has become huge. When is the last time you have been on top (touch wood), not counting any early rounds (first 5 rounds)?
Round 10 of last season. A 1-0 home win over Napoli (oo-er) put us a point clear of Inter (oo-er) and Udinese.
That's freaky.
Man, I'm looking forward to that game (think I'll choose it over Man Utd vs Liverpool). If you do go top, I just hope you can hold out for the 9 remaining games. You have played all the games that look tough on paper, while Inter still got a few. But Mourinho's teams always become stronger when threatened, so it's going to be exciting.
All the top leagues around Europe are very tight!
CDDRodrigo
20-03-2010, 23:25
Ronaldinho needs to play a bit more of what he knows for Milan to win the Scudetto.
I really hope so. Inter shite.
Man, I'm looking forward to that game (think I'll choose it over Man Utd vs Liverpool). If you do go top, I just hope you can hold out for the 9 remaining games. You have played all the games that look tough on paper, while Inter still got a few. But Mourinho's teams always become stronger when threatened, so it's going to be exciting.
All the top leagues around Europe are very tight!
I fear we will struggle and fail to win.
I fear we will struggle and fail to win.
Tbf, you always do :lol:
CDDRodrigo
21-03-2010, 03:23
I fear we will struggle and fail to win.
Very possible. Depends on the lineup.
Mullet Taylor
21-03-2010, 04:44
doesnt seem like too long ago sweey told me that milan had no chance of mounting a proper title challenge. What has happened to Inter ? are they starting to buckle under the pressure while Milan are battling away.
Roughly how much does the winner of serie A get ?
I heard Inter's win against Chelsea kept a european place in the champions league open for a team in Italy
Meyyappan
21-03-2010, 06:05
doesnt seem like too long ago sweey told me that milan had no chance of mounting a proper title challenge. What has happened to Inter ? are they starting to buckle under the pressure while Milan are battling away.
Roughly how much does the winner of serie A get ?
I heard Inter's win against Chelsea kept a european place in the champions league open for a team in Italy
Sweey tells a lot of things,he told me in pm that i was ridiculous to think arsenal would even mount a title challenge and he knew arsenal's players better than me also that we would drop out of top 4 so ac can end up winning the league.
doesnt seem like too long ago sweey told me that milan had no chance of mounting a proper title challenge. What has happened to Inter ? are they starting to buckle under the pressure while Milan are battling away.
I am not in any way, shape or form thinking about the title and even if we win today and go top, that is not going to change. I just want to finish in second.
Nobody in their right mind expected Inter to pick up just 8 points from 7 games at any stage in the season and despite that they could still be top at the end of today.
Their squad is significantly stronger than ours and it would be just like them to wipe out Roma's challenge with a win against them in two weeks time despite recent difficulties to win games. All of this is only happening because referees are finally treating them like every other team but I don't see it lasting.
I refuse to get lulled into thinking we can do this. I've been let down too much to fall into that trap at this stage.
Sweey tells a lot of things,he told me in pm that i was ridiculous to think arsenal would even mount a title challenge and he knew arsenal's players better than me also that we would drop out of top 4 so ac can end up winning the league.
No I fucking well did not tell you that it was ridiculous to think Arsenal would mount a title challenge. I also never said you would drop out of the top 4. I said anything was possible but things looked unlikely because of the results the club had achieved up until that point. Virtually everyone thought the same about Arsenal at the time as well. Don't even bother asking me anything in future if you can't understand my answers. How many months ago was this: four? five? six?
I also couldn't give two shits about Arsenal. If they went into liquidation I'd laugh because I hate them so do you really think I'm ever interested in answering questions about them? I'd side Inter over them for goodness sake, even in a Champions League final.
Do not respond in here to talk about Arsenal because it is the wrong fucking thread.
Oh hey, there's a chance I may have used the word "ridiculous" even though I'm sure I didn't. Why? Because the PM's were sent August 30th - September 2nd. Fuck off please.
In actual Milan news: our Primavera side lost 4-1 to Inter yesterday, closing the gap to four points in Group B with Inter still having three games in hand. Dominic Adiyiah made his second appearance for the team, scoring our only goal in a 4-2-3-1 formation with Zigoni playing as the lone striker and Adiyiah down the left.
ThaReaper01
21-03-2010, 13:28
I am not in any way, shape or form thinking about the title and even if we win today and go top, that is not going to change. I just want to finish in second.
Nobody in their right mind expected Inter to pick up just 8 points from 7 games at any stage in the season and despite that they could still be top at the end of today.
Their squad is significantly stronger than ours and it would be just like them to wipe out Roma's challenge with a win against them in two weeks time despite recent difficulties to win games. All of this is only happening because referees are finally treating them like every other team but I don't see it lasting.
I refuse to get lulled into thinking we can do this. I've been let down too much to fall into that trap at this stage.
No I fucking well did not tell you that it was ridiculous to think Arsenal would mount a title challenge. I also never said you would drop out of the top 4. I said anything was possible but things looked unlikely because of the results the club had achieved up until that point. Virtually everyone thought the same about Arsenal at the time as well. Don't even bother asking me anything in future if you can't understand my answers. How many months ago was this: four? five? six?
I also couldn't give two shits about Arsenal. If they went into liquidation I'd laugh because I hate them so do you really think I'm ever interested in answering questions about them? I'd side Inter over them for goodness sake, even in a Champions League final.
Do not respond in here to talk about Arsenal because it is the wrong fucking thread.
Oh hey, there's a chance I may have used the word "ridiculous" even though I'm sure I didn't. Why? Because the PM's were sent August 30th - September 2nd. Fuck off please.
In actual Milan news: our Primavera side lost 4-1 to Inter yesterday, closing the gap to four points in Group B with Inter still having three games in hand. Dominic Adiyiah made his second appearance for the team, scoring our only goal in a 4-2-3-1 formation with Zigoni playing as the lone striker and Adiyiah down the left.
*Backs away afraid* Now you've done it, Meyyap guy.
MILAN: Abbiati; Oddo, Thiago Silva, Favalli, Zambrotta; Flamini, Pirlo, Seedorf; Pato, Inzaghi, Ronaldinho.
NAPOLI: De Santis; Grava, Cannavaro, Rinaudo, Campagnaro; Maggio, Gargano, Pazienza; Hamsik; Lavezzi, Quagliarella.
Desperate defensive line-up :faceplm:
*Backs away afraid* Now you've done it, Meyyap guy.
I see you there boy.
WTF :huh:
It's like everyone fell over and allowed the goal to happen.
Fucking amateurs!
A stupid decision to pick Pato if he isn't fully fit and the entire defence went over to one side of the pitch!
Yeah because this bunch of fuckwits can challenge for a fucking title can't they? On top of that we're interested in a central defender - Mario Yepes. Who is 34. Way to rejuvenate the defence Galliani.
ThaReaper01
21-03-2010, 15:23
Fucking amateurs!
A stupid decision to pick Pato if he isn't fully fit and the entire defence went over to one side of the pitch!
Yeah because this bunch of fuckwits can challenge for a fucking title can't they? On top of that we're interested in a central defender - Mario Yepes. Who is 34. Way to rejuvenate the defence Galliani.
Unbelievable. At least Clarence started...
Pipppppppppoooooooooooo!
Quality cross from Ronnie.
We look like we're going to concede every time Napoli come into our half :/
Original?
21-03-2010, 16:27
I cant believe you want rid of Inzaghi, you'd get nothing for him and yet when you've got injuries he comes in and gets you goals. As a fourth or fifth choice striker he's a fantastic option, still. Yes, bring in new strikers but don't get rid of Inzaghi, you should hold him until he retires.
[Edit] Pirlo on the other hand...
Inzaghi only has two league goals Original? and that's not good enough. He also does not want to sit on the bench so how do you propose we keep him while buying other strikers and playing them unless he changes his mind?
This is the first time in a very long time we've played with proper urgency before the 75th minute of a match.
EDIT: Why is Zambrotta trying to score from 35 yards?
Why didn't Mancini place the ball instead of blasting it?
Half the players appear to be low on energy so couldn't keep that level of urgency up :/
Original?
21-03-2010, 16:38
Inzaghi only has two league goals Original? and that's not good enough. He also does not want to sit on the bench so how do you propose we keep him while buying other strikers and playing them?
This is the first time in a very long time we've played with proper urgency before the 75th minute of a match.
What choice does he have? How many league goals does Huntelaar have? If I were you I'd be rather indifferent about his position at the club, if he leaves and is suitably replaced then fine but if he stays it's far from the end of the world. You know one transfer window will not give you the time to fix your array of problems, Inzaghi while not ideal is good enough to keep while more pressing concerns are addressed. By which time he'll be retiring.
It's the same at a lot of clubs at the moment, they refuse to try anything until late on. Pirlo is somehow getting worse still.
Huntelaar has 6 league goals with a similar amount of playing time if not less.
Inzaghi's contract is up this summer and he will not renew it unless we can guarantee him regular football otherwise he's going to Parma. What the fuck are you proposing we do about it?! From what I've read so far, nothing. You say we should keep him but it isn't just up to us and I'm sorry but we shouldn't be guaranteeing him first-team football because he isn't fit enough to play three consecutive games for a top side.
The less said about Pirlo the better.
Original?
21-03-2010, 16:48
Huntelaar has 6 league goals with a similar amount of playing time if not less.
Inzaghi's contract is up this summer and he will not renew it unless we can guarantee him regular football otherwise he's going to Parma. What the fuck are you proposing we do about it?! From what I've read so far, nothing. You say we should keep him but it isn't just up to us and I'm sorry but we shouldn't be guaranteeing him first-team football because he isn't fit enough to play three consecutive games for a top side.
The less said about Pirlo the better.
Nevermind, I thought he had a year left on his contract. No, you shouldn't guarantee him first team football but neither should anyone else. I don't know where Inzaghi thinks he can get first team football at a club willing to pay anything near his current wages. I still wouldn't want to see him leave as a fan.
Nevermind, I thought he had a year left on his contract. No, you shouldn't guarantee him first team football but neither should anyone else. I don't know where Inzaghi thinks he can get first team football at a club willing to pay anything near his current wages. I still wouldn't want to see him leave as a fan.
If he wasn't insisting on first-team football I'd definitely want him to stay because we need to pay Parma whatever they're asking for Paloschi and do what we should've been doing for the last three years - getting Paloschi to train closely with Inzaghi.
We won't win this.
commandos
21-03-2010, 16:55
I was hoping we could win.
whats the score?
Edit:
Ahh 1-1
I was hoping we could win.
We needed to, just to keep Roma at bay.
whats the score?
We drew 1-1.
commandos
21-03-2010, 20:42
What happened to Pato, he got injured? I wasn't watching.
This game was a good chance to get on top of the table.
What happened to Pato, he got injured? I wasn't watching.
This game was a good chance to get on top of the table.
He was struggling with a thigh strain. He constantly has niggling injuries which isn't exactly good news at his age.
Mancini did a decent job but should have done better with a particular chance he had and, of course, isn't Pato.
Mullet Taylor
21-03-2010, 22:54
i'm disappointed ac couldn't win earlier
CDDRodrigo
21-03-2010, 23:16
I said it depended on the lineup. I saw Favalli, and knew Milan would struggle.
Dragonfly
22-03-2010, 13:53
Your defending is almost as nervy as ours. The defending for the goal you conceded was like FIFA Club defending, where everyone chases the ball and go out of position.
22/03
Milan have confirmed that Alexandre Pato suffered another tear to his right thigh muscle.
The striker has barely set foot on the field in 2010 and made his comeback in Sunday’s 1-1 draw with Napoli.
However, he lasted only 10 minutes before pulling up and calling for a substitution.
“AC Milan announce that Pato underwent medical tests to discover a first degree tear in the right femoral bicep, at the junction with the tendon,” read the statement.
“In the next few days Pato will undergo further tests.”
It is not clear how long he will be out for this time, but reports suggest anything up to three weeks.
It is the latest relapse for the young Brazilian, who has been dogged by muscular problems this season.
Since the start of January, he has suffered four different injuries, all relapses in roughly the same area.
If only I were surprised. Milan Lab has been shocking when treating Kaka and Pato the last two years, not to mention others.
24/03
Milan: Abbiati; Zambrotta, Thiago Silva, Favalli, Antonini; Gattuso, Pirlo, Flamini; Seedorf, Ronaldinho; Borriello
Parma: Mirante; Zenoni, Paci, Zaccardo, Lucarelli; Valiani, Morrone, Galloppa; Jimenez; Crespo, Biabiany.
Hmmm.
chelsea11
24-03-2010, 20:38
Thankfully I didn't put any money on AC Milan tonight then. I know they could still win, but that line-up would not give me much confidence.
Hernan Crespo hit the bar after 8 seconds :|
How did he get up the other end of the pitch within 8 seconds? :shocking:
20:32
0-0 half-time, nothing much to talk about. We've had a few instances of being decent up until the final ball.
We could do a hell of a lot worse than signing Daniele Galloppa in the summer. He's 24, has impressed me this season (and many other people in seasons prior to this though I was unsure about him) and is having another good game today. He'd be relatively cheap too.
21:24
Fucking hell Inzaghi. Headed straight at Mirante from eight yards when he could've headed it into the path of the unmarked Huntelaar instead. Earlier he tried to run at the near post when Pirlo was on the other side of the area in acres of space.
Truly shit match this one.
21:31
Like I kept saying, a title run from this bunch of losers? No fucking chance.
21:32
Now Pirlo gets a straight red so both he and Ronaldinho (booked) miss the Lazio game on Sunday night.
CDDRodrigo
24-03-2010, 23:00
Parma :(
commandos
24-03-2010, 23:05
Fuck, now without Ronaldinho we 're going to lose Lazio game too.
Roma caught us.
And now we have very little chance for Scudetto. Fucking CF's, they are INCAPACE.
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