View Full Version : Who finds it boring seeing the same team win all the time.
PES Master
05-05-2003, 06:00
For example Man U have won 8 of the last 11 titles in England, its the same thing over.
timedwins7
05-05-2003, 10:25
They may win it all the time, but its still an exciting league. Where anything can happen. Its just unpredictable.
Zygalski
05-05-2003, 11:32
Is the Champions League boring too?
And the FA Cup?
And the World Cup?
timedwins7
05-05-2003, 17:21
lol.
Zygalski
05-05-2003, 17:47
You do have to admit that the same old teams win those too.
timedwins7
05-05-2003, 19:33
Yeah, sometimes, but its not boring football!
PES Master
06-05-2003, 09:26
Mate im not saying that the champions league, fa cup or world cup are boring because the same team dosnt win all the time, Man U is like the Shumacher of soccer winning 2000,2001,2002 unmatched just like Man U for 8 seasons, cant any other team match them, in Italy you got Juve, AC, Inter etc, Spain has Real, Sociadad etc, get the flow dudes.
I know where you're coming from..... Not that I'm complaining about my lads winning all the time. (Though it aint happend for 2 years now and looking more likely like 3's coming)
Mau U were Lucky this season, In a sense that Arsenal Really Blew it. The Gunners had a massive lead and all they had to do was keep the good football coming. Just as Man U got into it Arsenal Lost their way. It's unfortunate but anyone who end up top after a season in the premiership deserves it.....
The Gunners Will be back next season.
For all of those who couldn't care less. Rangers are throwing the SPL away. A dissapointing Draw at Dundee could prove costly.
Not that this happens in The Premiership so often, but Dont you hate it when your club, a decent club, Buy's crap players for the sake of it.
Kevin Muscat is a Twit.....
Jerome Bonnissell is never used....
Dan Eggen is AWOL....
There must be some Idoits running these clubs???
Zygalski
08-05-2003, 23:10
I don't know how anyone can say Man Utd are like Schumacher when they only went to the top of the league late in March for the first time in the whole season.
Arsenal were in a superior position for at least 7 months of the season.
And you forget that Man Utd also lost the Worthington Cup final to Liverpool this year too.
The league was decided on Sunday, one week before the end of the season. If Arsenal hadn't lost to Leeds, it could have gone to the final match of the season.
And you call that boring?!
Try the Bundesliga.
What you say about the other leagues is true to an extent but they have the same old clubs competing for the top.
And Real Madrid are dominating and will do for a while.
Almost all the European leagues have sides that dominate.
At least in England it is exciting to watch and is usually a close battle between the top 2 or 3.
sure, it would be a bit more interesting if a team like newcastle, chelsea, liverpool would win the league every so often but i do think these teams are getting closer and will continue to get closer in the next couple of years - for example, i think newcastle are gonna make it a true 3-horse race next season as i think they have the capacity to win the league
anyway, the premiership is one of the most exciting leagues because of the mini-leagues and the competitiveness. nearly all the teams have real quality international players. the premiership had the most players at the 2002 world cup because our 'smaller' teams like southampton, tottenham, middlesbrough, villa have international players filling their squads - as opposed to those small squads in spain and italy where they have little-known italian players and the odd south american or eastern european.
i think in terms of depth, the premiership is the best league. so put a team like middlesbrough up against a team like villareal in la liga and i bet 'boro would do 'em.
as for excitement, i also think we've got the best league - perhaps just behind la liga. serie a is a really boring league IMO. the matches all end in draws and mostly 0-0 or 1-1. it's just too defensive. i must admit the best teams have some real class and have more depth than the premierships top 5 but a juve-lazio game isn't half as exciting as a manu-chelsea game imho
Zygalski
17-05-2003, 17:11
The premiership should be reduced by between 2 and 4 teams.
But not everyone will agree to this as they think they will lose money if they are the ones to get relegated.
But doing this would be much better for the England team and all the English clubs in Europe. But selfishness will continue and English teams will continue to under-achieve as they play many more matches than anyone else in Europe.
Going back to the boredom point, why do they bother playing the FA Cup final at Cardiff any more? They make the draw for the dressing room and that's it. The team with the 'lucky' one (due to Feng Shui or withcraft or whatever) always wins.
There has been like one team EVER from the unlucky one who won a match, which was a match I don't remember but nothing involving a big team.
It's a big shame as it's not down to football at the end of the day. Forget the teams, players, managers or tactics, just hope you get the lucky dressing room!!
Not trying to put down their recent achievements but this could also have something to do with the dramatic improvement of the Wales team. I'd like to see what happens if they or any other home nation were to play in Cardiff and were given the away dressing room.
I can't wait for the final to go back to Wembley.
Any comments on this?
well Southampton were in the 'lucky' dressing room for today's FA cup final and we all know what happened there - I don't mind the final's being at cardiff, its a lovely stadium (i should know, i've been ;)) but i want football to come home to wembley asap - the new stadium is gona be awesome and seat 90,000 or thereabouts.
the finals played at cardiff have nothing to do with which dressing room the teams get selected in - its just down to coincidences
and that other final you were on about zygalski was the ldv vans final i think between brentford and port vale :D brentford were drawn in the 'lucky' end but lost the final
Zygalski
17-05-2003, 18:37
I was quite sure I heard that Arsenal had the 'lucky' dressing room.
I would like to find a list of results at the stadium based on dressing room to know for sure, but can't find anything.
hitmanuk2k
17-05-2003, 20:46
southampton were definatley in the lucky dressing room.... but arsenal were in the lucky hotel..... its all bull shit if you ask me....
yeah the saints were definitly in the lucky dressing room- but anyway it's just bull that the media hype up. i bet the players know nothing about whether they are in the lucky dressing room/hotel
hitmanuk2k
18-05-2003, 18:55
im sure they will do! they cudnt really avoid all the talk of it in the papers and on tv really cud they!
rebusrahman
20-05-2003, 13:32
I reckon it's been quite an exciting season really. I mean, ok, Man U seem to win it all the time with a bit of Arsenal in the mix. But Newcastle are catching up. And if Chelsea can get rid of their home for old euro footballers image and Liverpool can buy some decent players it could stoke it up. You musn't forget that to a certain extent money wins the league. Man U have five/six players who didn't cost them anything who have been there for ages and done them proud. They are also the richest club in the world. So when they need players they just buy them! Guess that's one of the reasons they win the league a lot.
I know there are other reasons so don't get upset people :-)
Zygalski
21-05-2003, 10:43
That may be but Arsenal have been the better team over MOST of the season. They are always more likely to win the double.
But they do talk a lot of crap in saying they were the best over the whole season.
If Arsenal improve their defense and mentality, they will be favourites again next season.
rebusrahman
21-05-2003, 13:14
"If Arsenal improve their defense and mentality, they will be favourites again next season."
Yeah but... the same goes for Man U?
Gooner_Harmer
22-05-2003, 22:53
Originally posted by rebusrahman
"If Arsenal improve their defense and mentality, they will be favourites again next season."
Yeah but... the same goes for Man U?
I'm not sure. But what a game it would be if they sorted out their defences!
We need John Terry.
Zygalski
22-05-2003, 23:08
Yes, but that was mostly the reason Arsenal lost the Premiership after they were in a great position. It was theirs to lose and they did.
Man United finished with the best defensive record in the league so they can't improve by that much.
For a historically strong defensive side, Arsenal are not looking good in that department.
Lisbon67Seville03
22-05-2003, 23:33
arsenal need someone other than henry up front who can score goals(well, not as much as a better central defender) they rely too heavily on him. sure he produces, but what if those million pound studs get caught in grass, SNAP!!!!!!!its all over there.
rebusrahman
22-05-2003, 23:38
That's the thing about Man U. They have so many players who can score from all over the park. They do not necessarily have to rely on RVN like Arsenal do on Henry. And yeah, they need a CB... but I reckon Man U need one too
Lisbon67Seville03
22-05-2003, 23:40
actually, man utd rely heavily on RVN, especially from the pen. spot. id like to see his goal tally without penailties, im guessing itd be pretty low compare to what it is now. and also, who is europe's top goalscorer now? is it larsson or is there someone even higher?
Zygalski
23-05-2003, 00:58
It might depend on if you include all goals or just league goals.
van Nistelrooy scores a lot for Man United but then so did Andy Cole so it's a service thing there.
Arsenal are over-reliant on Henry who creates a lot as well as scoring.
Plus, we all know Henry and other strikers take penalties too so it's unfair to say Ruud is the only one. It is about 6-8 penalties for him this season. If Henry had the bottle to take all of Arsenal's or actually convert them when he does take them, he would be getting more goals too.
It's like Ruud is being accused of being a good penalty taker as if it's a bad thing! It's a skill that Henry lacks.
rebusrahman
23-05-2003, 14:22
Anyway if RVN didn't then they have Scholes and Beckham to take them. Henry does need to polish up on penalties though. Just like Batty, Southgate and Waddle... and some of the Eire boys.
Lisbon67Seville03
24-05-2003, 01:34
im not criticising him for being a good(good doesnt describe it enough, he just never misses)penaly taker, im saying that his record(and most premiership goalscorers except henry cuz he doesnt take them)would not be as impressive. so maybe van nistelrooy should stop diving when he thinks hes about to get tackled and winning(and subsequantly scoring)a penalty and just go for the shot.
Gooner_Harmer
24-05-2003, 10:16
RVD is essential to Man U's team. They really on him as much as Arsenal do. We also have other players who score so it's incorrect to say that we really on Henry to win.
Zygalski
24-05-2003, 13:28
If you say that Arsenal don't rely too much on Henry, that's your view but maybe it is a little biased.
Most people would say they do rely on him very much.
Gooner_Harmer
25-05-2003, 00:05
Originally posted by Zygalski
If you say that Arsenal don't rely too much on Henry, that's your view but maybe it is a little biased.
Most people would say they do rely on him very much.
Where would Man U be without RVD? Nowhere likewise with Arsenal and Henry.
But to pick on just Arsenal is a bit harsh.
Lisbon67Seville03
25-05-2003, 02:43
RVD? rob van dam is at man utd now!?! just kidding u, but man utd rely on RVN as much as Arsenal do with henry, except in a different way. arsenal need henry cuz he scores goals and sets em up, whereas, lets face it, all RVN does is dive and score, not much else.
Zygalski
25-05-2003, 03:40
I don't recall RVN scoring many match-winning goals.
He seems to do well when the opposition are poor or doing very well in Europe (which doesn't make much sense!)
But I may be wrong.
Doesn't Henry take a lot of free kicks and corners too?
Gooner_Harmer
25-05-2003, 15:56
Originally posted by Zygalski
I don't recall RVN scoring many match-winning goals.
He seems to do well when the opposition are poor or doing very well in Europe (which doesn't make much sense!)
But I may be wrong.
Doesn't Henry take a lot of free kicks and corners too?
Yes he take free-kicks but not generally corners. He only takes free-kicks because we do not have a permanent taker who consistently scores them.
Lisbon67Seville03
25-05-2003, 21:02
henry takes corners mroe often than not from what i've seen. but, then again, you're a agooner who watches them all the time, so i cant say. i've only seen about 10-15 arsenal games this season, but when arsenal have a corner on the left-side, it seems to be henry hitting it.
Gooner_Harmer
25-05-2003, 23:50
Originally posted by Lisbon67Seville03
henry takes corners mroe often than not from what i've seen. but, then again, you're a agooner who watches them all the time, so i cant say. i've only seen about 10-15 arsenal games this season, but when arsenal have a corner on the left-side, it seems to be henry hitting it.
Although i'm a gooner, to be honest I cannot remember who takes them! I've had a memory block! But if he does it does not really matter because apart from ol' Sol we possess little or no aerial threat.
Lisbon67Seville03
26-05-2003, 21:47
i think henry should be the regular free-kick taker tho, didnt he score like, three in a row from the same position?
Zygalski
26-05-2003, 22:20
:D OK, he can take all the ones from that exact position on the pitch! :D
OK, predictions for top 5 English teams next season?
I'd wait till the day before the start of the next season before deciding.
But at the moment, I'd say:
Arsenal
Man United
Chelsea
Newcastle
Liverpool
Gooner 4 Life
27-05-2003, 19:03
Bobby Pires, Gio Van Bronckhorst, Henry and Edu take corners for arsenal, and when pennant plays he takes em instead of Pires.
Top 5 Next Year:
Man Utd
Arsenal
Newcastle
Chelsea
Everton
Gooner_Harmer
27-05-2003, 21:48
Originally posted by Gooner 4 Life
Bobby Pires, Gio Van Bronckhorst, Henry and Edu take corners for arsenal, and when pennant plays he takes em instead of Pires.
Top 5 Next Year:
Man Utd
Arsenal
Newcastle
Chelsea
Everton
Their are corner takers!
Top 5:
Arsenal
Man U
Newcastle
Liverpool
Chelsea
Lisbon67Seville03
29-05-2003, 15:42
TOP 5:
i'll go out on a limb and say:
Arsenal
Man Utd*
Newcastle
Southampton
Chelsea
*i really cant decide between man utd and arsenal, at least until i see their squads for next season post-transfers.
rebusrahman
04-06-2003, 14:48
Man U
Newcastle
Arsenal
Liverpool
Boro
Theres only one team going to win next year, Newcastle. Whoa, look at them go!!
rebusrahman
10-06-2003, 22:04
You are having a laugh! It will be much closer next season, no doubt. But I don't think Newcastle can do it.
Try living in Scotland supporting Aberdeen. Where the only teams that have won it four years are Celtic and Rangers. It is an absolute nightmare!
rebusrahman
25-06-2003, 17:34
Yeah! But Aberdeen did win it many moons ago? And the UEFA Cup or was it the European Cup?
We won the european cup winners cup in 1983. The last scottish club to win a european trophy. When there still was a cup winners cup.
rebusrahman
26-06-2003, 08:52
Fergie was in charge wasn't he?
Zygalski
26-06-2003, 13:09
Yes.
I think Madrid should be paying Man United extra dosh as they are their 'feeder club'!
rebusrahman
27-06-2003, 19:02
The rumour is that Man U will get Raul from Real at the end of next season! That would be a good pay-off, eh?
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