Cup Competition Information

[Highway Penguin]

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The trophies...

WCL CUP DRAW

Group A:
Rangers Fureva
Yossi
Nedy
HP
Poffeman

Group B:
Cranie
Hunter
Preki
Reyes0fPenguin
Muad

Group C:
Ronaldo9
Barry
Rafa
Reyes9
Colt

Group D:
Phat
Figo10
David P
Nikos24
The G


Quarter-Finals:
Group A Winners vs Group B Runners Up
Group B Winners vs Group A Runners Up
Group C Winners vs Group D Runners Up
Group D Winners vs Group C Runners Up

Semi-Finals:
Game 1 Winners vs Game 4 Winners
Game 2 Winners vs Game 3 Winners

Finals:
Game 1 Winner vs Game 2 Winner

DIVISION 1 CUP

Group I
Reyes
Phatmann
Muad
Nikos
Figo

Group II
Hunter
Ronaldo
The G
Colto
HP

Semi-Finals
Winner of Group I vs Runner Up of Group II
Winner of Group II vs Runner up of Group I

Finals
Winner of Match 1 vs Winner of Match 2

DIVISION 2 CUP

Group I
Rangers
ReyesofPenguin
Preki
Martin
The Rafa

Group II
Barry
Yossi
Nedy
Dave
Poffeman


Semi-Finals
Winner of Group I vs Runner Up of Group II
Winner of Group II vs Runner up of Group I

Finals
Winner of Match 1 vs Winner of Match 2

[nikos24]

Cool stuff, im fine wid it. :)

[Keyser Soze]

Its looking good, London Lions are ready. ;)

[Nedy]

Yeah Chacarita FC too....

[Yossi]

Will there be any squad rotation required for this? If there is, will it interfere with the amount of league games a player can play?

[dee-dee]

Can anyone have a team in this? If so how do you join and how does it work?

[Yossi]

No vacancies at the moment. There is a thread knocking about where you put your name down for a team.

[dee-dee]

Could you post a link up please Yossi? I would appreciate it.

[Yossi]

Here ya go (http://forum.pesinsight.com/login.php?do=logout&logouthash=26b0f8b59b1fc137847 d84ff42bd09cf)











































That was harsh.

Real link (http://forum.pesinsight.com/showthread.php?t=31777)

[Highway Penguin]

It's in the main section of the forum. Easy to find. ;)

-Yossi, I'll talk to Colt and Reyes to see what they think about squad rotation. Good question, I should've thought about it. :)

[dee-dee]

Thanks Yossi.

[Rangers_Fureva]

I'm all for squad rotation in the seperate cups, e.g D1 & D2 but what about the WCLC ? It could mean a weaker D2 side might come up against a D1 side that could still be pretty strong. Just enquiring;)

[Usul]

Squad rotation should count for the entire season. Cups and regular league games combined.

[Yossi]

I see your point, and I would agree, but for one problem. We've agreed that every player must play a minimum amount of games (was it 6?) and the teams who progress well in the cups would have more games so it would be different (probably an advantage) for them.

[Highway Penguin]

I've finised the Division Cups and the draws are in the first post, James will be posting the WCL draws in a bit.

Congrats to all. :)

[Scarface]

WCL CUP DRAW

Group A:
Rangers Fureva
Yossi
Nedy
HP
Poffeman

Group B:
Cranie
Hunter
Preki
Reyes0fPenguin
Muad

Group C:
Ronaldo9
Barry
Rafa
Reyes9
Colt

Group D:
Phat
Figo10
David P
Nikos24
The G


Quarter-Finals:
Group A Winners vs Group B Runners Up
Group B Winners vs Group A Runners Up
Group C Winners vs Group D Runners Up
Group D Winners vs Group C Runners Up

Semi-Finals:
Game 1 Winners vs Game 4 Winners
Game 2 Winners vs Game 3 Winners

Final:
Game 1 Winners vs Game 2 Winners

[-Rafa-]

hmmm, interesting draw, gonna be good, can't wait :D

[Keyser Soze]

How did we determine the draw? Was it random? :mellow:

[Highway Penguin]

I wrote down a load of names on paper then put them under a sheet and drew. So yes, it was random. :)

[martin_cranie]

Good looking draws all round - should make for some great games :)

[nikos24]

Christ, that's one very hard group.

Group D looks the toughest.

[Figо10]

How did we determine the draw? Was it random? :mellow:
Hm... Four D1 teams in our group, doesn't look as if we've been drawn by pots isn't it :mellow:

On the other hand, four D2 teams in one group too ;)

[Barry]

Great, the group of death.

Nice draw hand you got there :tongue:

[nikos24]

Figo does have a point. :(

[Barry]

They'll meet eachother anyway in the next stage, now you'll have the strongest D1 teams facing the strongest D2 teams in the next round.

[Scarface]

This season it was a random draw where anyone could meet anyone in the groups to make it more interesting and open. You'll see that Group A has only 1 D1 team, 2 in Group B, 3 in C, 4 in D.

[Figо10]

Group D looks the toughest.
That's a fact ;)

[Keyser Soze]

Hm... Four D1 teams in our group, doesn't look as if we've been drawn by pots isn't it :mellow:

On the other hand, four D2 teams in one group too ;)
I didn't mean it like that.

HP's an honest guy, hes not cheating.

[martin_cranie]

I think it's fine. No matter who we were to draw, it would always have been a tough game, so we may aswell draw some big guns. HP is honest so I don't see the need to worry.

Oh and Asgard Utd officially launch their bid to host the Division 2 cup final. A lucrative game at the Dragao will suit us nicely :)

[Figо10]

I didn't mean it like that.

HP's an honest guy, hes not cheating.
I knew it was random and I never said he cheated, just replying to you that it was clearly a random draw, just thought maybe it would have been better to make the draw more like those in international tournaments.

[Highway Penguin]

Round One of the WCL and Division Cup Fixtures

WCL Fixtures

Group A
Yossi vs Rangers
Nedy vs HP

Group B
Hunter vs Martin
Preki vs RoP

Group C
Barry vs Ronaldo9
Rafa vs Reyes9

Group D
Figo10 vs Phat
David vs Nikos

Division 1 Cup

Group I
Phat vs Reyes
Muad vs Nikos

Group II
Ronaldo vs Hunter
The G vs Colt


Division 2 Cup

Group I
RoP vs Rangers
Preki vs Martin

Group II
Yossi vs Barry
Nedy vs David

If you haven't got a match this week, don't worry, you will next week. Since there are 5 teams we've got to do it this way.

Matches for WCL will be on Tuesday the 21st.
Matches for Division Cups will be on Tuesday the 28th.

[Yossi]

Are both competitions this week?

[Highway Penguin]

No, sorry. WCL will be this week and then the next week Division Cups.

[Keyser Soze]

Is there a rotation for the Cup games?

[Yossi]

I don't think so.

[Scarface]

Is there a rotation for the Cup games?

Nope.

Victor, are you able to post a complete set of fixtures now?

[Highway Penguin]

Possibly, but it'll take me a second or two.

I'll have them done in the next hour or so, as I'm doing homework right now.

[martin_cranie]

So when setting out our teams this week/today, we're doing so for the following set of fixtures (With squad rotation not occuring):


WCL Fixtures

Group A
Yossi vs Rangers
Nedy vs HP

Group B
Hunter vs Martin
Preki vs RoP

Group C
Barry vs Ronaldo9
Rafa vs Reyes9

Group D
Figo10 vs Phat
David vs Nikos

No league game, just WCL right?

[Yossi]

I feel it would be beneficial to have a 'Cup Formation Thread' in the Match Area as to avoid confusion.

[martin_cranie]

Probably a good idea Yossi. However I think that the most beneficial thing to do would be to draw up a proper timetable, specifying dates for matches. I'm happy to do this, all I need is a rough idea from HP and Reyes9 as to when they want this season finished.

[Scarface]

No, the formations in the formations thread are for the League games this weekend. The Cup games will take place on Tuesday, i'll create a new sticky thread for posting the formations for the Cup games.

[Highway Penguin]

We'll be having WCL and Division Cup games midweek. I haven't calculated out how many games there will be for the cups, but I'm guessing we'll have the games each week, rotating Division Cups and WCL games.

Try and get your formations for the WCL matches in by Sunday. That way you've got no worries.

Good luck.

[Scarface]

all I need is a rough idea from HP and Reyes9 as to when they want this season finished.

I'll speak to Victor about it later, i'm sure we can come up with a schedule for all the League and Cup matches. I'll try and get it posted over the weekend.

[martin_cranie]

Sounds good mate. Like I say though, i'm happy to help out with it all so if you want a hand just give me a bell.

[Highway Penguin]

Next Rounds

WCL Fixtures
Group A
Poffe v HP
Nedy v Rangers fureva

Group B
RoP v Cranie
Preki v Muad

Group C
Barry v Reyes
Ronaldo v Charlie

Group D
Phat v David P
G v Nikos

Division Cup Fixtures

D1| Group I
Reyes vs Muadster
Figo vs Nikos

D1| Group II
Hunter vs Da G
HP vs Charles

D2| Group I
Rangers vs Preki
Rafastic vs Martin

D2| Group I
Barry vs Nedster
Poffemonster vs Dave

Good luck to everyone, we're having the WCL this week and the others the week after.

[Scarface]

Are the D1/2 Cup Matchday 3 and 4 fixtures going to be posted soon? Matchday 3 is next on the schedule.

[Highway Penguin]

I'll post them after the game.

[Highway Penguin]

D1 Cup

Group I
Figo - Reyes
Nikos - Phat

Group II
HP - Hunt
Charlie - R9

D2 Cup

Group I
Rafa - Rangers
Martin - Rash

Group II
Poffe - Barry
Dave - Yossi

Sorry, I've been very busy lately.

[Figо10]

WCL

Group A
Poffe - Rangers
HP - Yossi

Group B
Muad - Martin
Rash - Hunt

Group C
Charlie - R9
Reyes - Barry

Group D
The G - Phat
Nikos - Figo

D1 Cup

Group I
Figo - Reyes
Nikos - Phat

Group II
HP - Hunt
Charlie - R9

D2 Cup

Group I
Rafa - Rangers
Martin - Rash

Group II
Poffe - Barry
Dave - Yossi

Sorry, I've been very busy lately.
It says this on the Schedule:
WCL Fixture 3

Group A
Yossi v Poffe
Rangers v HP

Group B
Cranie v Preki
Hunter v Muad

Group C
Reyes v Ronaldo
Rafa v Charlie

Group D
Figo v G
Nikos v Phat

[Scarface]

Also, some of those WCL fixtures have already been played. I know i've already faced Barry, and i'm sure some of the others have also been played. I think all the D1/2 Cup Fixtures are fine.

So there's no confusion, these games will be played this weekend:

WCL Fixture 3

Group A
Yossi v Poffe
Rangers v HP

Group B
Cranie v Preki
Hunter v Muad

Group C
Reyes v Ronaldo
Rafa v Charlie

Group D
Figo v G
Nikos v Phat

[Charlie: 9]

Thank you, James. From what HP posted I thought that I had to play Ronnie again, haha. Cheers. Goodluck Rafa.

[Highway Penguin]

Yes, you may have, but this is the way it worked last year and I'm using the same schedule, I'd appreciate it if you consulted me prior to making these decisions.
No point in talking about it now, as you've posted the games.

[Scarface]

Yes, you may have, but this is the way it worked last year and I'm using the same schedule, I'd appreciate it if you consulted me prior to making these decisions.
No point in talking about it now, as you've posted the games.

You've got to be taking the piss. I'm doing it exactly the same way as last year, and showed you the schedule I took the time to make months ago, so don't try to pretend i'm the disorganised one. Using the same schedule? What of facing the same team twice in a group stage? We decided I was in charge of the WCL and you were in charge of the D1 and 2 cup. I made the whole schedule for the WCL group stage matches before the first fixture had even started, while the D1 and 2 Cups are still waiting for one. The lack of appreciation here is ridiculous.

[Highway Penguin]

I don't see how that's taking a piss, you made a decision without asking me what I thought or if it were all right. I think you are reading into it a bit too much.

I don't recall the incharge business, but I do remember talking about who would post which games. But that doesn't even happen, as you've got a fire under your butt.

As I said, it doesn't matter because you've all ready posted the matches.

[Preki-USA]

ladies please, keep the hand bags at your sides...

[Scarface]

I don't see how that's taking a piss, you made a decision without asking me what I thought or if it were all right. I think you are reading into it a bit too much.

I don't recall the incharge business, but I do remember talking about who would post which games. But that doesn't even happen, as you've got a fire under your butt.

As I said, it doesn't matter because you've all ready posted the matches.

Do you actually listen to anything or read? I have told you plenty of times now about the schedule and you were fine with it. I've got a fire under my butt? Thanks, i'll take that as a compliment, i'd rather get jobs done than not post 4 sets of cup fixtures in 2 or 3 months. Maybe I should have left it for you to waste your time posting games that have already been played.

You've had an attitude problem for a while now, who cares which one of us posts the games aslong as they are posted? It's been mentioned a couple of times that you've been busy and can't find much time lately, so how me saving you time is such a big concern to you is somewhat odd.

It obviously does matter, or you wouldn't mention it.

[Highway Penguin]

This is the way I did things when Colt and I ran it and it was fine. Thanks mom. Run it the way you want, I'm inferior to you I suppose, from how you talk.

As I said earlier, I just would like it if you would talk to me before making decisions. I'm finished now. :mellow:

[Scarface]

This is the way I did things when Colt and I ran it and it was fine. Thanks mom. Run it the way you want, I'm inferior to you I suppose, from how you talk.

As I said earlier, I just would like it if you would talk to me before making decisions. I'm finished now. :mellow:

You mean before you left after game 6 or 7 for months, and I was left to pick things up for almost the whole remainder of the season? You're extremely ungrateful, child. If you'd like to do more in the Fantasy League, be my guest, i'd enjoy the extra help. You make me laugh, if anyone should be complaining, it's me. You're rarely on msn to talk to, and aren't as active as you used to be, so I have to get on with most of the Fantasy League myself and dedicate more time to it. I've never complained once about this, and nor would I, but then you have the nerve to come on and complain about me, when all I did was save you time because you're supposedly busy? Obviously not busy enough to stop you making a fuss over fuck all. You must have an inferiority complex, because I have never pretended or acted as if i'm superior to anyone.

For the hundredth time, I told you about the schedule, and I run through every single decision with you, name one case where I haven't?

[Highway Penguin]

Jesus, it's not just about the schedule. I looked over it and in general it was fine, I didn't go through each week and make sure it was ok, I haven't got that time. Who does? Unless they spend all their time surfing the net.

We talked about doing games, but you don't give me any time. Last week before the Cup games I said I'd post them, but when I got on you'd posted them all ready. I still don't understand your reasoning. You've also always had them up when I get online. The time difference makes it difficult, etc.

I don't feel inferior to you as this is an internet forum, it'd be ridiculous to. :mellow: What about the whole setup prior to that? The hardest part of the whole league is getting the squads picked. Anyone can post 10 games each weekend, but to keep everything together before that is a bitch.

[Preki-USA]

guys what are we really trying to prove here?

i say we just let it all slide...

[Rasheed Sharq]

Yes, let's take it down a level. Easy easy people.

[Scarface]

Jesus, it's not just about the schedule. I looked over it and in general it was fine, I didn't go through each week and make sure it was ok, I haven't got that time. Who does? Unless they spend all their time surfing the net.

We talked about doing games, but you don't give me any time. Last week before the Cup games I said I'd post them, but when I got on you'd posted them all ready. I still don't understand your reasoning. You've also always had them up when I get online. The time difference makes it difficult, etc.

I don't feel inferior to you as this is an internet forum, it'd be ridiculous to. :mellow: What about the whole setup prior to that? The hardest part of the whole league is getting the squads picked. Anyone can post 10 games each weekend, but to keep everything together before that is a bitch.

It takes 10-15 minutes to run through the schedule. You have the time to continuously bitch and moan about bullshit, so i'm sure you would have had the time to go through a schedule.

If you check, you might see that you actually posted last weeks Cup games, not me. That was the only time you've ever discussed who should post the games. It's like children squabbling over who gets to sit in the front seat of a car. I don't moan when you post the games, as it's really irrelevant, you don't earn brownie points by doing so. Aslong as the matches are posted at suitable times, and preferrably when the site is active to attract as many votes as possible, I really couldn't care less who does them.

Anyone can post 10 games each weekend? I very much doubt that, and there certainly weren't many offering last season. Posting the games is hardly the sole concern in organising the Fantasy League, there are many other factors involved, you (should) know that.

To Preki & Rasheed: I apologize for continuing this, it should have been brought up in private, but when someone goes on a public outcry and whinges and bitches about me for no good reason, i'm not going to let it slide without having my say.

[Highway Penguin]

Whatever, now you have reduced this to name calling.

-What is harder than the pre-season? This is in reference to last season as that's what you've got into. This season there are many other factors, but last season it was basic stuff. It's nice that you stepped up when no one else would, but I'm saying that you missed out on the hardest part, the regular season is very straight forward.

-Continuelsy bitch and moan, cause that's why I get online, so I can moan at you about random things. Whatever I feel like that day, right? :mellow:

-Sorry, 2 weeks ago or whenever Barca played their last CL game.

[Scarface]

Whatever, now you have reduced this to name calling.

-What is harder than the pre-season? This is in reference to last season as that's what you've got into. This season there are many other factors, but last season it was basic stuff. It's nice that you stepped up when no one else would, but I'm saying that you missed out on the hardest part, the regular season is very straight forward.

-Continuelsy bitch and moan, cause that's why I get online, so I can moan at you about random things. Whatever I feel like that day, right? :mellow:

-Sorry, 2 weeks ago or whenever Barca played their last CL game.

Name calling? Are you off your head? Where have I called you any names?

Once again, you were the one you brought up last season, not me, with this reference, regarding discussing decisions.

This is the way I did things when Colt and I ran it and it was fine.

I suppose the Free agents opening early which created chaos and resulted in a top manager leaving was discussed, as it was so fine and dandy back then?

The start of last season was hardly mind boggling stuff, all that was needed was to wait for people to pick their team, and to go through all the basic rules, nothing overly challenging. The end of last season/start to this season was more complicated with lots of new rules being implemented and managerial changes. What this has to do with anything I have no idea.

[Highway Penguin]

You win.

[Highway Penguin]

Division Cups
Division 1

Group I
Reyes vs Nikos
Muad vs Figo

Group II
Hunter vs Charlie
The G vs HP

Division 2

Group I
Rangers vs Martin
Preki vs Rafa

Group II
Barry vs Dave
Nedy vs Poffe

[Highway Penguin]

Division Cup Fixtures

Division 1

Group I
Phat vs Muad
Nikos vs Figo

Group II
Ronaldo vs The G
Charles vs HP

Division 2

Group I
Sheed vs Preki
Martin vs Rafa

Group II
Yossi vs Nedy
Pauly vs Poffe

[Figо10]

I should be playing Phat in the D1 Cup, already played Nikos :unsure:

[martin_cranie]

Vic, I've already played Rafa.

Are we having return legs? If not then every team should play 4 games in the Division Cup competitions; the following have all done so: Myself, Reyes9, Nikos, Charlie, Hunter, Pauly, Barry, Rangers.

[Nedy]

And I think that I already play with Yossi in the Cup...

[Highway Penguin]

It all works out in the end, as these are the same fixtures from last season.

So no worries.

[Figо10]

Doesn't every team have to play each of the four other teams in their group? We shouldn't be playing the same opponent twice.

Unless like Martin said we're playing home and away matches which might be a good suggestion for both cups, just that more games will be played.

[Rangers_Fureva]

These fixtures just don't make sense,:unsure:

[Highway Penguin]

Talk about no trust... :mellow:

I used these last season and no one complained, but whatever. I may have made a mistake somewhere along the line, but I doubt that as well because I double checked each fixture to make sure I was posting it correctly.

If you all want me to change it, I'll do so just so everyone plays everyone...

But this hurts guys..not trusting my match making skills. :(


I'll have them up tomorrow or today if I find the time.

[Usul]

I think Victor is right. These are supposed to be the first legs of the semifinals, according to the schedule.

[martin_cranie]

The schedule says that the first games after the window are the WCL fixture 5. The next Division Cup games are labelled Week 5, not Semi-Final. The only reason there should be a Division Cup Week 5 (and maybe Week 6) is for the teams that have only played 2 or 3 games to finish off. Unless we're playing return games, which so far no one has confirmed, then I can only suggest that there's a problem as several teams have already played 4 games and yet are being scheduled to play more.

[Usul]

Didn't we miss one weekend of Cup games...?

EDIT: You're right, Martin, i misread the schedule. We're supposed to have WCL games now.

[Highway Penguin]

These are for the Division Cup games that are next week, we are playing WCL this week.

[martin_cranie]

So are we playing return legs or not? If not then I have no more games to play in the Div 2 Cup and the timetable is wrong, at least in part.

[Highway Penguin]

Here are the new fixtures, I did a bit of research and I must've made a mistake somewhere along the line to cause this confusion, but I'm not sure where. I'm quite sorry for the confusion boys.

Everyone will have played each person once...correct me if I'm wrong.

New Fixtures....


Division Cup Fixtures

Division 1

Group I
Phat vs Figo
Muad vs Phat

Group II
Ronaldo vs HP
The G vs Ronaldo

Division 2

Group I
Sheed vs Preki
Sheed vs Rafa

Group II
Yossi vs Nedy
Yosse vs Poffe

[martin_cranie]

Good stuff Vic. ;)

[Highway Penguin]

Thanks Rich, hopefully this makes everyone all right.

[martin_cranie]

We have a small problem with WCL Group B. Hunter and Preki were meant to play each other this round but haven't. The G vs. Phat was labelled as Group B by accident, when it is infact Group D.

I guess that the up coming Division Cup games should include the final WCL game amongst them.

[Highway Penguin]

Yes, their formations were not up to date from what I saw, so I didn't post the game. I guess a couple other teams didn't have their squads completely up to date, but I didn't know until after the fact.

Their game will be played next week, :).

[-Rafa-]

Also what about my game againest Barry? He had the wrong formation

[Preki-USA]

Yes, their formations were not up to date from what I saw, so I didn't post the game. I guess a couple other teams didn't have their squads completely up to date, but I didn't know until after the fact.

Their game will be played next week, :).

can you take my D2 formation and put it in the cup thread, b/c i can't access my formation right now.

[Scarface]

Division 1 Cup Semi-Finals

Reyes9 vs vanNistelrooy
Figo10 vs Ronaldo9

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Division 2 Cup Semi-Finals

Rangers Fureva vs Yossi
Preki-USA vs Pauly Scholes

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WCL Quarter-Finals

Highway Penguin vs Hunter
Reyes9 vs Figo10
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Rangers Fureva vs Minof
Nikos24 vs Charlie9

[Figо10]

WCL Quarter-Finals
Reyes9 vs Figo10:happy:

[Scarface]

WCL Quarter-Final Results
Rangers 1-3 Minof
Nikos 3-2 Charlie
Reyes 3-2 Figo
HP 2-3 Hunter

WCL Semi-Final Draw
Minof vs Nikos24
Reyes vs Hunter

[Scarface]

D1 Cup Semi-Finals
Reyes 3-1 vanNistelrooy (Agg 6-2)
Figo 2-1 Ronaldo (Agg 3-2)

D2 Cup Semi-Finals
Pauly 3-2 Preki (Agg 3-3)
Rangers 1-2 Yossi (Agg 2-2)

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D1 Cup Final
Reyes9 vs Figo10

D2 Cup Final
??? vs ???