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Lithuania 0 Italy 2 (Quagliarella 31, 45)
Goals can be downloaded here (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IBTA6H09)
-The Trooper-
06-06-2007, 22:26
The thread is titled Italy and I want to know a good Itallian holiday destination - with beaches and cool stuff to look at. :ninja:
Lorenzinho
07-06-2007, 00:25
Calabria is nice.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1e/CapoVaticano02.jpg
That's the coast at Capo Vaticano.
Quagliarella (Kwa-lia-rella) is some player.
*Tagliatelle is also not Tag-li-a-telle, it's Talia-telle. Fucking pisses me off so that does.
-The Trooper-
07-06-2007, 10:48
Calabria is nice.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1e/CapoVaticano02.jpg
That's the coast at Capo Vaticano.
Quagliarella (Kwa-lia-rella) is some player.
*Tagliatelle is also not Tag-li-a-telle, it's Talia-telle. Fucking pisses me off so that does.
Dude that place looks nice.
Calabria is nice.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1e/CapoVaticano02.jpg
That's the coast at Capo Vaticano.
Quagliarella (Kwa-lia-rella) is some player.
*Tagliatelle is also not Tag-li-a-telle, it's Talia-telle. Fucking pisses me off so that does.
Didn't he score a scorcher against Chievo from 40m out?
Just saw the Italy v Lithuania highlights earlier today on Eurosport. Quagliarella scored two great goals. What position was he playing exactly ? RWF ? (As I'm taking it that Pippo played Centre Forward), as he seemed to cover the Right hand side well.
Baring in mind that I've only seen the highlights and not the full match.
Quagliarella can play on either wing or in his natural role as a striker.
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Ahead of our under-21 game against Serbia which is about to kick-off I want to say I have no idea how we're favourites to win the tournament.
With Pierluigi Casiraghi in charge we probably don't have a prayer of winning the tournament and some of the recent performances have shown this. We've got excellent attacking potential but since Casiraghi has appointment we've tended to struggle for goals - just like he did in his career - and I worry about relying on the defence though it is of a pretty good standard.
Tonight's game should be a very interesting one and we've picked an intriguing starting line-up:
Curci; Raggi, Mantovani, Andreolli, Chiellini; Nocerino, Aquilani, Montolivo, Rosina, Palladino; Pazzini.
Quagliarella can play on either wing or in his natural role as a striker.
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Ahead of our under-21 game against Serbia which is about to kick-off I want to say I have no idea how we're favourites to win the tournament.
With Pierluigi Casiraghi in charge we probably don't have a prayer of winning the tournament and some of the recent performances have shown this. We've got excellent attacking potential but since Casiraghi has appointment we've tended to struggle for goals - just like he did in his career - and I worry about relying on the defence though it is of a pretty good standard.
Tonight's game should be a very interesting one and we've picked an intriguing starting line-up:
Curci; Raggi, Mantovani, Andreolli, Chiellini; Nocerino, Aquilani, Montolivo, Rosina, Palladino; Pazzini.
Indeed you are favourites because of the talented forwards, plus a decent defence (like you'd expect different from Italy).
Casiraghi's impressive run continues :rolleyes:. The sooner he and Zola fuck off the better. They're both clueless but the players must take responsibility too.
Pazzini should've expected the ball to reach him at the end and bypassing the midfield time and time again when you're behind is not the way to go about it. Played long ball for too long and that simply isn't the way to do things. Did Graziano Pelle even touch the ball? He was brought on to CROSS the ball to, not to hoof it up towards in the hope he'll somehow get it. Rossi was an absolute waste of space when he came on and Aquilani has been playing long enough to take responsibility the way Pirlo used to in the 90s.
Disgusting.
greenegg
11-06-2007, 21:39
That last one that spunked him in the head he still should have buried that. The English will beat you if you behave like that come Thursday.
I'll go to Holland and put Casiraghi and Zola six feet under if we play like that on Thursday. I've hated them both for a long time, they were overrated as players and they were an abysmal choice to take charge of the under-21s.
Fair play to Serbia and a great goal from Milovanovic. Nice to see some Red Star lads doing well.
greenegg
11-06-2007, 21:46
Yeah lucky it fell to him mind but that finish was a dream. I am looking forward to Thursday. I can't call it because both have an abundance of talent but also the ability to fail.
I'm putting a contract out against those thick shits Zola and Casiraghi, both of whom will hopefully be unceremoniously sacked.
Disgraceful performance against England for the first half hour and deserved to go home. Claudio Gentile, though defensively-minded, would've taken us much further with the talent we have. It was the perfect attacking line-up to play fast counter-attacking football.
Spastics.
Totti has ended his Italy career. You were right all along Musso.
You were also right about Casiraghi. Even my granny could've done better.
Squad for next week's friendly with Hungary:
Goalkeepers Amelia, Buffon, Curci
Defenders Barzagli, Cannavaro, Grosso, Materazzi, Oddo, Zaccardo, Zambrotta
Midfielders Ambrosini, Aquilani, Diana, Gattuso, Palombo, Pirlo
Forwards Del Piero, Di Natale, Inzaghi, Quagliarella, Toni
Is this Aquilani's first call up to the Senior squad?
It is indeed. Curci's too.
aw no de rossi or perrotta?
quagliarella is gonna be an awesome player
Original?
18-08-2007, 19:54
Squad for next week's friendly with Hungary:
Goalkeepers Amelia, Buffon, Curci
Defenders Barzagli, Cannavaro, Grosso, Materazzi, Oddo, Zaccardo, Zambrotta
Midfielders Ambrosini, Aquilani, Diana, Gattuso, Palombo, Pirlo
Forwards Del Piero, Di Natale, Inzaghi, Quagliarella, Toni
That looks a fair selection, with those to keep an eye on highlighted! ;)
Luigi, I don't think Quagliarella has quite shown the potential to be a 'great player' if he carries on where he left off he'll be on the way, but he still has a lot to prove and to be honest I can't see him living up to the hype. Though I hope I'm proved wrong...
i agree he's not there yet, but if he keeps on progressing and playing well he will be on his way
Roberto Donadoni is on the ropes.
What is the current score?
3-1 to Hungary.
Hahahahaha, thats a good one you little comedian.
Original?
22-08-2007, 22:55
lfc what are you on? :unsure:
Holy crap it true Hungary actually beat Italy. I just have one thing to say then. Hahahahahah..........
Holy crap it true Hungary actually beat Italy. I just have one thing to say then. Hahahahahah..........
Of course a humiliating defeat but who are the world champions? Allow me.....hahahahahahaha :huh:
Holy crap it true Hungary actually beat Italy. I just have one thing to say then. Hahahahahah..........
Jackass, Get out.
Marco Materazzi, Toni and Gattuso are not going to be playing for Italy vs the Ukraine Wednesday. Pirlo might be out as well picking up a knock in the france game. :no: Iaquinta has been put in the squad.
I'm fucking scared for them. :crymore:
A good win for Italy in the Ukraine tonight.
Was Shevchenko's goal any good? :ninja:
Drilled low from inside the area after the ball rebounded to him. Also smashed the underside of the bar with a long-range free-kick and forced a difficult save from Buffon from another thunderous free-kick.
He scored off of a set piece...Voronin crossed it in from the right of the box, the ball bounced around in the box and Shevchenko pounced and hit it for the goal.
Italy's second goal was very nice on the counter attack. When they are uploaded, definitely check out the highlights from this game. Also, Shevchenko hit the crossbar within the first five minutes off of a beautifully taken free kick.
Drilled low from inside the area after the ball rebounded to him. Also smashed the underside of the bar with a long-range free-kick and forced a difficult save from Buffon from another thunderous free-kick.
Yet Mourinho doesn't even put him on the bench :realmad:
Things are very tight in this group. It may come down to both 3 teams neading wins in the final fixture.
Original?
12-09-2007, 22:56
Antonio Di Natale with a brace? Make note people! Good result but there's still a long way to go yet.
I thought Italy needed to drop Del Piero for Di Natale it looks like doing so was the right choice. I think Italy will go through.
Wasn't a good game for Italy I felt. A wins a win tho. even if its not the best performance.
Squad for Scotland and Faroe Islands:
Goalkeepers Amelia (Livorno), Buffon (Juventus), Curci (Roma);
Defenders Barzagli (Palermo), Bonera (Milan), Cannavaro (Real Madrid), Chiellini (Juventus), Grosso (Lyon), Oddo (Milan), Panucci (Roma), Zambrotta (Barcelona)
Midfielders Ambrosini (Milan), Camoranesi (Juventus), De Rossi (Roma), Gattuso (Milan), Perrotta (Roma), Pirlo (Milan);
Forwards Di Natale (Udinese), Gilardino (Milan), Iaquinta (Juventus), Lucarelli (Shakhtar Donetsk), Palladino (Juventus), Quagliarella (Udinese), Toni (Bayern Munich).
I hope he goes for this in the Scotland game:
Buffon; Zambrotta, Barzagli, Cannavaro, Grosso; Pirlo, De Rossi, Gattuso, Perrotta; Di Natale, Toni. Then I'd want Iaquinta and Camoranesi to feature at some point due to their pace.
He'll likely go for the safer option - Zambrotta to left-back, Panucci in at right-back but not going forward and then Camoranesi on right wing with Perrotta on the bench.
I thought Materazzi was available? :unsure:
Original?
11-11-2007, 18:59
Squad for Scotland and Faroe Islands:
Goalkeepers Amelia (Livorno), Buffon (Juventus), Curci (Roma);
Defenders Barzagli (Palermo), Bonera (Milan), Cannavaro (Real Madrid), Chiellini (Juventus), Grosso (Lyon), Oddo (Milan), Panucci (Roma), Zambrotta (Barcelona)
Midfielders Ambrosini (Milan), Camoranesi (Juventus), De Rossi (Roma), Gattuso (Milan), Perrotta (Roma), Pirlo (Milan);
Forwards Di Natale (Udinese), Gilardino (Milan), Iaquinta (Juventus), Lucarelli (Shakhtar Donetsk), Palladino (Juventus), Quagliarella (Udinese), Toni (Bayern Munich).
I hope he goes for this in the Scotland game:
Buffon; Zambrotta, Barzagli, Cannavaro, Grosso; Pirlo, De Rossi, Gattuso, Perrotta; Di Natale, Toni. Then I'd want Iaquinta and Camoranesi to feature at some point due to their pace.
He'll likely go for the safer option - Zambrotta to left-back, Panucci in at right-back but not going forward and then Camoranesi on right wing with Perrotta on the bench.
I wouldn't mind seeing him play Palladino on the left and Camoranesi on the right against Scotland, as it's a style they've haven't had to play against with width and pace on both flanks. Perhaps in the second half however, as you said though Iaquinta's pace and power can cause problems as well.
-----------------Buffon-----------------
----------Barzagli-----Cannavaro--------
-Zambrotta----------------------Grosso-
--------------Gattuso--Pirlo-------------
-Camoranesi-------------------Palladino-
--------------------Di Natale-----------
--------------Toni----------------------
Something like that.
The teams:
Scotland: Gordon; Hutton, Weir, McManus, Naysmith; Brown, Ferguson, Fletcher, McCulloch; Hartley; McFadden
Italy: Buffon; Panucci, Cannavaro, Barzagli, Zambrotta; Pirlo, Gattuso, Ambrosini; Camoranesi, Toni, Di Natale
That Milan trio in midfield have a shitload of responsibility.
I really hate this Camoranesi dude!
Hahahahaha! Nice goal! Toni!
Hey, Sweey, you support Italy though you are from India?
Nevermind. ;)
Dmitris, I'm part-Italian and part nothing else confirmed so what's the comment based on? I'll also have you known I was born in the western half of Europe and have always lived in that rather large surface area.
A good goal but Camoranesi should've made it two a minute later. We need to get a second as a Scotland goal is going to set us off in a blind panic. How dirty Scott Brown hasn't been carded I don't know.
Ah.. you are of Italian heritage?
Last minute close goal. Pirlo saved Italy from conceding a goal.
Cannon ball
17-11-2007, 17:56
Buffon's hat is legendary!
LarssonIsGhod
17-11-2007, 17:58
Ah.. you are of Italian heritage?
Last minute close goal. Pirlo saved Italy from conceding a goal.
considering he had the presence of mind to get to the line and clear shows true world class
i'm still optimistic though!!
Anyway, I want to see more of this game. Surely it only gets better. I'm wondering what would happen after the game. :no:
Thinking that there will be some fights against the players. Very important matches for the two.
I can't believe the referee gave the freekick to Italy. Fucking joke.
Stella Artois
17-11-2007, 18:55
Ah well, it cancels out the perfectly legitimate goal they had disallowed then, doesn't it?
Ah well, it cancels out the perfectly legitimate goal they had disallowed then, doesn't it?
Precisely.
Now I'm happy with qualification and everything but I do wonder quite when Donadoni's luck is going to run out as our performances in the group have been largely shit. Also thought he was wrong to take Di Natale off as I felt Iaquinta for Toni would've confused the Scotland defence more. Meh, doesn't matter now.
It was very cruel on Scotland though, wouldn't you agree Stella?
Stella Artois
17-11-2007, 18:57
You were hardly mind-blowing in the World Cup but still won that!
It was very cruel on Scotland though, wouldn't you agree Stella?
No.
Scotland had their chance and didn't take it.
LarssonIsGhod
17-11-2007, 18:57
I can't believe the referee gave the freekick to Italy. Fucking joke.
exactly,
i'd love to hear the ref's explanation on why he feels that was a free kick to the italians!!!!!!!!!!!!
You were hardly mind-blowing in the World Cup but still won that!
We had a better coach ;)
Lorenzinho
17-11-2007, 19:18
exactly,
i'd love to hear the ref's explanation on why he feels that was a free kick to the italians!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well I'd love to hear his explanation for the goal that was given to you that was actually OFFSIDE and the goal of ours that was ruled out for offside, when it was onside.
Hmmm. Bitter as usual I see.
Dragonfly
17-11-2007, 19:19
I hope Euro 2008 will still be shown on terrestrial TV even if no British teams make it.
Congrats to Italy. I'd rather watch you than Scotland over the summer.
LarssonIsGhod
17-11-2007, 19:23
Well I'd love to hear his explanation for the goal that was given to you that was actually OFFSIDE and the goal of ours that was ruled out for offside, when it was onside.
Hmmm. Bitter as usual I see.
No bitterness m8, i stated in another thread
Judgement clouded by emotion (i'm calm now lol)
I thought ferguson might have been offside when he scored
I dont know why the second italy goal was chopped off (either offside or i heard a commentator say hand ball)
We had opportunities ourselves which we SHOULD have taken (mcfadden,weir and there was a shot mcfadden took which he should have squared)
I also feel there was a few decisions which went against both teams which were debatable, but hey....That's football!!
Congratultions Italy and France, the teams who deserve to go through went through, but we gave them one hell of a run for their money!
Knowing you I-ties you'll go on and win the competition now :angry:
Lorenzinho
17-11-2007, 19:25
No bitterness m8, i stated in another thread
Judgement clouded by emotion (i'm calm now lol)
I thought ferguson might have been offside when he scored
I dont know why the second italy goal was chopped off (either offside or i heard a commentator say hand ball)
We had opportunities ourselves which we SHOULD have taken (mcfadden,weir and there was a shot mcfadden took which he should have squared)
I also feel there was a few decisions which went against both teams which were debatable, but hey....That's football!!
Congratultions Italy and France, the teams who deserve to go through went through, but we gave them one hell of a run for their money!
Fair enough. That kind of sensibility can only come from the green half of Glasgow though, I suppose.
LarssonIsGhod
17-11-2007, 19:28
Fair enough. That kind of sensibility can only come from the green half of Glasgow though, I suppose.
A smart man i see Lorenzinho haha!!
I'm also not too proud to admit the two best Scotland players on that pitch came from the blue side of Glasgow
Hutton and Ferguson were immense
Things can only get better
Dmitris, I'm part-Italian and part nothing else confirmed so what's the comment based on?
Nah, you have said you're Asian. http://www.pesgaming.com/showpost.php?p=539682&postcount=39
greenegg
17-11-2007, 20:30
Two things, thanks for winning and secondly what was Buffon up to on his head? He looked like a right beaner.
Nah, you have said you're Asian. http://www.pesgaming.com/showpost.php?p=539682&postcount=39
Excellence. How old's that thread? :mellow:
Dragonfly
17-11-2007, 20:49
Excellence. How old's that thread? :mellow:
Why? Are you no longer part Asian? :mellow:
I could've sworn I've seen a picture of you on this site before, wearing black sun glasses.
Why we all love Gattuso:
Gennaro Gattuso has just one cloud over his evening – helping France to reach Euro 2008 and eliminate his beloved Scotland.
“I am proud of the qualification we have achieved with this squad,” said the midfielder after Italy’s 2-1 win in Glasgow.
“But I am really annoyed because I know we also helped France to go through.”
Gattuso spent a year at Glasgow Rangers at the start of his career and married a local girl, but even stronger than his love for the country is his dislike of Les Bleus.
“Raymond Domenech is always being such a pain and he really did not deserve to reach the finals.
“Now I hope to meet France at Euro 2008 so we can teach them all a lesson.”
:laugh:
;) So.. we can change our heritage now.
OK lets put it like this. Discussion of what I am (aside from Italian) isn't in the interests of this thread so if anyone else posts about it in here, I'll give them a nice little booking. Take it somewhere more appropriate.
Raymond Domenech has taken the credit for Italy and France both reaching Euro 2008. “At least they were useful for once.”
The Bleus boss has made a habit of sniping comments towards the Azzurri, especially after the World Cup Final won on penalties in Germany.
Italy’s 2-1 victory in Scotland automatically qualified both Roberto Donadoni’s side and France for the tournament.
“They won because my words motivated them,” smiled Domenech, who had suggested this week that Italy were ‘draw specialists.’
“I didn’t see the game, as I prefer not to force myself to sit through too many ugly things. I feel both relieved and frustrated, as to be honest I would have preferred to play the last game in Ukraine with the need for a result.
“This is the strength of our squad, the ability to hold out under pressure, when we are afraid of elimination. I shall miss that sensation.”
If Italy had drawn in Glasgow, France simply needed to avoid defeat in Kiev on Wednesday evening, but now that tie and the Azzurri’s against the Faroe Islands only serve to decide which of the two teams top Group B.
“I am happy anyway, as if we are qualified today then it means that we deserved it,” concluded Domenech.
The fucking cunt should be murdered.
Domenech has done absolutely nothing to improve my opinion of him ever since he was appointed manager. Arrogant, conservative, overrating his own importance, all the tactical knowledge of a baboon and an eye for talent similar to that of a blind man.
mufcsean
18-11-2007, 00:15
Well even though i would of liked Scotland to get through i must say, Euro 2008 wouldn't be the same without the current World Champions
Adammce05
18-11-2007, 01:16
What a fuck he is, he's so smug yet Scotland bet his team both times.
Fucking clown.
He makes it sound as if Italy didnt beat France either, sorry to tell him, but France arent the superteam he thinks, they can be beat, remember Scotland took 6 points off them ? Also I'm pretty certain Ukraine could have took the 3 off France in the Ukraine if they needed to, as they said they would have done Scotland a favour.
A hope that fuck dies.
carson1912
18-11-2007, 21:33
What a fuck he is, he's so smug yet Scotland bet his team both times.
Fucking clown.
He makes it sound as if Italy didnt beat France either, sorry to tell him, but France arent the superteam he thinks, they can be beat, remember Scotland took 6 points off them ? Also I'm pretty certain Ukraine could have took the 3 off France in the Ukraine if they needed to, as they said they would have done Scotland a favour.
A hope that fuck dies.
Your a clown.
We have been punchin above our weight in the qualifiers. We are not bettr than France or Italy. We rode our luck and tht luck ended.
Cannon ball
18-11-2007, 21:41
Domenech is a cunt of epic proportions. If he were an ice-cream, he would lick himself.
LarssonIsGhod
18-11-2007, 21:42
Domenech is a cunt of epic proportions. If he were an ice-cream, he would lick himself.
nice analagy haha!!
Adammce05
18-11-2007, 22:09
Your a clown.
We have been punchin above our weight in the qualifiers. We are not bettr than France or Italy. We rode our luck and tht luck ended.
Says the prick who's all into the Ulster shit. Get a grip and fuck off cheers.
Hardly punched about our weight, we done well, and that bastards smug claims about how we play is a joke, considering we bet them both times.
I'd say more, but your clearly an arrogant fuck who wont actually read it properly.
Italy have always had a great number 10. Now Totti has retired from international football and Del Piero is past it. Who will wear the legendary shirt? Possibly Cassano or Sebastian Giovinco ("http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_6cTsuX-XY[/url)
Giovinco if he keeps his head and continues to mature. Cassano needs to prove himself again.
Wasn't Montolivo touted to replace Totti not too long ago?
Wasn't Montolivo touted to replace Totti not too long ago?
I wouldn't have thought so. Although decent centrally, he doesn't look comfortable enough and is better in a left-sided role. He's played centrally for the under-21s and not impressed me, often looking harassed.
Interesting article on Italian and Spanish footballing rivalry:
As if going out of the Champions League was not bad enough, as if seeing the dream of a tenth European Cup disappear in smoke was not sufficiently painful, Real Madrid had to go out to a AS Roma, a team from Italy - that most bitter of Spanish rivals.
Because if there's one thing the Spanish really, really hate, it's the
Italians. In fact, it's become an obsession. Not because of the fashion, the impossibly perfect facial hair, or even the crazy driving and rubbish mopeds: Spain has got its own fair share of those. No, the Spanish hate the Italians because of their football.
And Roma are not your typical Italian side because they attack, because they score goals, because they are worth watching. In Spain, where football has to be aesthetic as much as it is effective, your typical Italian side is plain dull, hideously defensive.
Few people were less impressed with Fabio Cannavaro winning the Golden Ball as European player of the year than the Spanish, even if he had just joined Madrid. "It's a miracle that he didn't boot it into touch when they gave it to him," sniped one columnist.
When Cannavaro played poorly, he was rubbish; when his partner, Sergio Ramos, played poorly he was suffering an injury, having an off day, too keen to win - or dragged down by the Italian playing alongside him.
Likewise, when Fabio Capello was sacked as coach of Real Madrid for being "too boring" despite winning the club's first league title in four years, ending the longest Santiago Bernabéu drought in over half a century, his "anti-football" - and, yes, that is what they called it - was seen as being the logical conclusion of his nationality.
And the day Claudio Ranieri was sacked as Valencia coach after not managing a win in six matches, it was treated as if the Mestalla had been delivered from evil. The Italian coach was a "dictator"; according to one report; Valencia had been freed from "the yoke of Ranierism".
Valencia won their first game after sacking him and employing Spaniard Antonio López. And the locals could hardly contain themselves, especially as López's tactic had been so simple: drop the Italians. By leaving out the Ranieri signings Marco di Vaio, Emiliano Moretti, Bernardo Corradi and Stefano Fiore, Valencia had, the sports daily Marca gleefully said, gone through a process of "de-Italianising" themselves.
Over here, people think Italian football is dirty, cynical, talentless and boring. Few Italians have succeeded in Spain because they are rubbish, they say, while few Spaniards have succeeded in Italy because the football is rubbish - and full of cheats.
When Real Madrid faced Juventus in the 2003 Champions League quarters, a Spanish television trailer used the music and opening credits from Star Wars to announce an apocalyptic clash between Madrid's galactic superstars and the "miserable football" of the evil empire from across the Alps. TVE waved off Madrid's Jedi knights with an Obi-Wan-esque, "May the goals be with you."
A few years earlier, after the Italian press complained about a blatant - and deliberate - handball goal by Raúl in the Champions League, the Spanish press got their knickers in a twist, screaming: "How dare you lecture us?!" The sports paper Marca published a "dossier" on the tricks of the trade of Italian football, "the most unsporting in the world" - tricks such as diving, fouling and, ahem, winning.
And that is, kind of, the point. Because perhaps the worst thing about the Italians is that they are successful, the current World Cup winners. Spain's only international triumph is the 1964 European Championships - a four-team tournament played in Madrid.
Italian football so perfectly fuels the schizophrenic Spanish psyche, that uneasy coexistence of massive superiority and inferiority complexes. The Spanish are convinced they are better than the Italians. But, deep down, they are also convinced the Italians will beat them. By foul means, not fair.
When Tassoti smashed Luis Enrique's nose - in the penalty area - in the last minute of the 1994 World Cup quarter-final, leaving Italy going through, Spain going out and Luis Enrique going to hospital, it was the perfect embodiment of Spain and Italy: one side played all the football; the other smashed an innocent man's nose all over his face - and won.
Those victories are illegitimate, whispered sins. Asked about Italian dominance of the Champions League a few years ago the Real Madrid defender Iván Helguera, a man who had played in Italy and a genuine Italophile, defended the country: "You know what? I'd love it if we [Spain] could say we had three teams out of four in the semis, plus success at international level. That's the bottom line. That's all that matters." The next day, his remarks were nowhere to be seen.
Just as this Madrid will be nowhere to be seen in the draw for the next round of the Champions League. Down to ten men with a contentious decision and out of Europe, slain by Italians once more, there is a familiar ache in Spanish hearts.
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/03/06/you_only_win_when_youre_sinnin .html
Original?
07-03-2008, 21:33
In all honesty, you've just highlighted an article demonstrating the idiocy of the Spanish press.
somegooner
08-03-2008, 04:50
Why's that Original?
08/03:
Why's that Original?
Read the content of the article.
I saw it the day after Real Madrid were knocked out by Roma and sniggered. It simply heightened my pure disgust of sections of the Spanish media. Suffice to say I believe it is the Madrid section most of the time.
21/03:
Right so after months of completely unnecessary discussion, it has been confirmed that any potential contract renewal for Donadoni will only be looked at in July - after the European Championships which is the way it should be.
Of course the Italian media have taken this opportunity to link Ancelotti to the job and Lippi into his Milan seat which. I have to say, I do think it more than likely Donadoni will either leave or be sacked after Euro 2008 and if that happens, I don't see anyone other than Ancelotti taking the job.
"It's a miracle that he didn't boot it into touch when they gave it to him," sniped one columnist.
:laugh: Anyway, I get the feeling the author of the article isn't fully neutral in this dispute.
Squad to face Spain:
Goalkeepers Buffon (Juventus), Amelia (Livorno)
Defenders Barzagli (Palermo), Cannavaro (Real Madrid), Grosso (Lyon), Materazzi (Inter), Panucci (Roma), Oddo (Milan), Zambrotta (Barcelona)
Midfielders Ambrosini (Milan), Aquilani (Roma), Camoranesi (Juventus), De Rossi (Roma), Gattuso (Milan), Perrotta (Roma), Pirlo (Milan)
Forwards Borriello (Genoa), Di Natale (Udinese), Iaquinta (Juventus), Quagliarella (Udinese), Toni (Bayern Munich)
Not pleased with the inclusion of Quagliarella but Borriello certainly deserves the call-up.
somegooner
23-03-2008, 05:50
How good is Paolo Cannavarro??
How good is Paolo Cannavarro??
Why the question? He's neither in the squad nor anywhere near it.
StaVriS92
09-04-2008, 17:48
ANTONIO CASSANO RULES :D:D:D:D:D:D
where is he? why lippi wont call hiiiiiiim....:(
Original?
09-04-2008, 17:59
ANTONIO CASSANO RULES :D:D:D:D:D:D
where is he? why lippi wont call hiiiiiiim....:(
Possibly because Lippi is no longer the manager.
StaVriS92
10-04-2008, 12:42
ha ha funny
and who is the manager then?
ha ha funny
and who is the manager then?
:shocking:
somegooner
10-04-2008, 12:49
ha ha funny
and who is the manager then?
http://italytravelescape.com/news/category/italian-football/
Read this article mate. The read the date that it was posted. I have a feeling that your just a glory hunter and we don't like them on this Forum.
StaVriS92
10-04-2008, 13:08
right, donadoni!
what do u mean i am a glory hunter? :S
Keyser Soze
10-04-2008, 13:14
http://italytravelescape.com/news/category/italian-football/
Read this article mate. The read the date that it was posted. I have a feeling that your just a glory hunter and we don't like them on this Forum.
Says the 13 year old Arsenal fan from Dubai. :laugh:
somegooner
10-04-2008, 17:21
Ahem, 14 mate.
What's so bad about supporting Arsenal?? I think I made a very clear post about this in some other thread. I said that I support Arsenal because they are the first team that I heard about. Btw, I'm not FROM Dubai, I just live there.
Dragonfly
13-05-2008, 11:48
Doni's Provisional 29
Goalkeepers: Abbiati, Amelia, Buffon
Defenders: Barzagli, Bonera, Cannavaro, Cassetti, Chiellini, Gamberini, Grosso, Materazzi, Oddo, Panucci, Tonetto, Zambrotta
Midfielders: Ambrosini, Aquilani, Camoranesi, De Rossi, Gattuso, Montolivo, Perrotta, Pirlo
Strikers: Del Piero, Di Natale, Borriello, Quagliarella, Toni, Rocchi
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/may13d.html
I'm looking at the strikers and feeling somewhat underwhelmed.
Italy have had a world class number 10, I cant see one in that sqaud.
Not even Del P? I know he's getting on a bit, but he's still class.
Keyser Soze
13-05-2008, 12:20
Not even Del P? I know he's getting on a bit, but he's still class.
Personally, I like to open my eyes when reading lists. You should try it. :coffee:
Not even Del P? I know he's getting on a bit, but he's still class.
He is good, not world class.
Original?
13-05-2008, 12:22
Del Piero: 19 league goals, in brilliant form.
Borriello: 19 league goals, hard to argue against his inclusion as he's netting goals in a Pippo-esque fashion.
Di Natale: 17 league goals, creative, quick and direct.
Quagliarella: Shouldn't be there, Iaquinta or Inzaghi should be included.
Rocchi: 17 league goals, strong, quick, good in the air and on the deck.
Toni: Do I need to?
If Del Piero isn't a world class number 10, then there isn't one in Italy at this momment in time including Totti.
Personally, I like to open my eyes when reading lists. You should try it. :coffee:
I did read the list, my comment was not on his inclusion but reffering to him being a 'class' no 10.
If Del Piero isn't a world class number 10, then there isn't one in Italy at this momment in time including Totti.
There isn't one in Italy at the moment with the exception of Totti who has struggled with injuries recently but was brilliant at the begging of the season. There is still hope for Cassano and Giovinco one day.
Dragonfly
13-05-2008, 12:38
Del Piero: 19 league goals, in brilliant form.
Borriello: 19 league goals, hard to argue against his inclusion as he's netting goals in a Pippo-esque fashion.
Di Natale: 17 league goals, creative, quick and direct.
Quagliarella: Shouldn't be there, Iaquinta or Inzaghi should be included.
Rocchi: 17 league goals, strong, quick, good in the air and on the deck.
Toni: Do I need to?
If Del Piero isn't a world class number 10, then there isn't one in Italy at this momment in time including Totti.
There records may be worthy of their inclusion, but what I mean is that we're used to seeing great forwards in the Italian national team. Despite them being good players, apart from Toni and Del Piero, I can't see many people looking back on them and thinking, "they were the best of their time". That's probably being harsh, since a couple of them - Borriello and Quagliarella - have time on their side.
I'm sure Italy will do well though, mainly because of the midfield.
AgentZero
13-05-2008, 13:27
just read that article 50! posted in the previous page, must vent my disgust at the spanish media, fucking clowns.
Original?
13-05-2008, 18:45
There isn't one in Italy at the moment with the exception of Totti who has struggled with injuries recently but was brilliant at the begging of the season. There is still hope for Cassano and Giovinco one day.
I'm just sorry that Sweey has departed as this would possibly be the first time he'd have sided with me on a Del Piero debate.
Del Piero: Juventus Pld: 36 Gms Started: 31 Gls: 19 (2)
Totti: Roma Pld 25 Gms Started 25 Gls: 14 (3)
Del Piero does not have the team built around him and plays the trequartista role for Juventus, Totti does not. He plays as a lone forward in a somewhat unique system, in which he plays further forward than Del Piero. Del Piero has been the single most impressive player this season, after some poor performances in the first three months and strained contract negotiations he's performed brilliantly, consistently and both created and finished.
Totti has actually created far less this season despite being the focal point of the team and I'm afraid injuries aren't an excuse for Del Piero's poor seasons, why should they excuse Totti now then? Totti edges the goals to games ratio, however Del Piero's goals to starts ratio is far better. Del Piero's dribbling is more direct, his set pieces are by far superior and his passing is as good as Totti's especially his erratic and over elaborate style he's moved into this season.
Del Piero at the top of his game is as good as any number 10 about at this point in time, he's also better than Totti right now... and at their respective peaks Del Piero was superior. Del Piero is widely considered to be in the best form of his career, since his first few years at Juventus at which point he was arguably one of the best players in the world. Right now, Del Piero would be the first name on my team sheet at both Juventus and Italy.
As for the rest Toni is unquestionable, but Dragonfly if you think about it you rarely have more than two that have the potential of going down in history. You usually have the cream of the crop, then the rest are generally just very good.
Why do Italy never seem to have any top wingers?
Original?
13-05-2008, 21:27
Why do Italy never seem to have any top wingers?
Wingers aren't the Italian way.
Spot on :) It's the same with Brazil too.
Original you have claimed the Roma team is built around Totti and that Del Piero is an equally good passer. Firstly despite be effective as a striker Totti's best used behind a number 9. As for being a better passer, Riquelme is the only player on Totti's level in this department. He does try the killer pass often but thats how Roma open up team, his decision making is excellen when its time to keep possession he does.
Now you can go on about Del Piero and his peak but the fact is for the best part of a decade Totti was Italy's number 10 and Del Piero was either accommodated somewhere else or his understudy. Even after retirement Donadoni try to convice him to return. And its no coincidence that Italy often play a 433 without thier tradmark number 10 since Totti's retirement, something they have never been without for as long as I remember. The only logical reason for this is a lack of quality available to fill the void Del Piero inculded.
Original?
14-05-2008, 00:23
Original you have claimed the Roma team is built around Totti and that Del Piero is an equally good passer. Firstly despite be effective as a striker Totti's best used behind a number 9. As for being a better passer, Riquelme is the only player on Totti's level in this department. He does try the killer pass often but thats how Roma open up team, his decision making is excellen when its time to keep possession he does.
Now you can go on about Del Piero and his peak but the fact is for the best part of a decade Totti was Italy's number 10 and Del Piero was either accommodated somewhere else or his understudy. Even after retirement Donadoni try to convice him to return. And its no coincidence that Italy often play a 433 without thier tradmark number 10 since Totti's retirement, something they have never been without for as long as I remember. The only logical reason for this is a lack of quality available to fill the void Del Piero inculded.
Sorry mate, but that's crap.
Totti's passing is over-rated... yes he picks out some killer passes but he attempts so many it's a likelihood, his pass completion and assists tallies are very similar to Del Piero.
Del Piero played wide as Totti is incapable of playing wide, where as Del Piero is not. Otherwise they have shared the trequartista role fairly evenly. Del Piero 85 caps since 96, Totti 58 caps since 98.
My point about Totti's current role is that he should be scoring more goals than Del Piero, from their current respective positions... he's not. Also you claim that Totti's best position is the trequartista yet, he's had arguably his best season ever in his new lone striker position and struggles to play the trequartista role when Vucinic partners him which would argue against your point.
Donadoni has tried to use the 4-3-3 system as that is his preferred system, Del Piero was in poor form at the start of the season and has also had some issues with Donadoni's use of him.
My point about Del Piero's peak is that it was higher than Totti's, Del Piero is playing close to his peak where as Totti is not currently which would indicate that at this moment in time Del Piero is the superior number 10. Yet despite being superior to Totti currently and at his peak he is not world class, yet Totti is.
I'm afraid you're talking bollocks and I question the last time you watched a fair amount of either.
[Edit] As for persuading someone to come out of retirement, I would expect a manager to want a player of Totti's calibre regardless of whoever else you have available.
AgentZero
14-05-2008, 01:10
what are your thoughts on montolivo? he looks like a promising young player. From the UEFA cup games ive seen him play hes been pretty much fiorentina's creative outlet.
Original?
14-05-2008, 01:13
In a word, elegant.
He can pick up the ball and hold onto it, he sweeps the ball about casually and holds onto possession yet can then break forward and his a great shot. Montolivo, De Rossi and Aquilani will be a big part of Italy's future.
AgentZero
14-05-2008, 01:22
Yeah i do hope he does fulfill his great potential. Fio was quite good to watch, shame rangers knocked them out in the way they did.
Lorenzinho
14-05-2008, 10:29
I quite like Fiorentina, they play good football.
Del Piero's peak was how long ago though? I don't see how that is relevant to the current debate.
It's relevant as Del Piero is still playing well enough to be considered for national duty.
It's relevant as Del Piero is still playing well enough to be considered for national duty.Which is why he should be in on merit based on his current form, not how good he was 10 years ago.
Why do Italy never seem to have any top wingers?
Donadoni and Conti were. But I can see where you are coming from. Had they won very little I would have chastized them right here and now, but history isn't too cooperative with me on that subject ;)
Original?
14-05-2008, 18:33
Del Piero's peak was how long ago though? I don't see how that is relevant to the current debate.
I'm glad to see reason hasn't swayed your blind hatred of Del Piero. His peak may have been ten years ago and early in his career, however by all reports he's currently playing close to that peak and judgement I'd agree with. So if he's currently playing close to it his peak is relevant.
Sorry, but I know you've hardly watched any Serie A this season.
Which is why he should be in on merit based on his current form, not how good he was 10 years ago.
He is included on merit, but if Del Piero's peak was higher than Totti's and he's currently playing better than Totti how can he not be 'World Class' if Totti is not. The only way Del Piero got back into Donadoni's plans was by giving him no choice but to select him, Donadoni did all he could not to take Del Piero as the two seemingly don't get along and have had differences in the past.
I'm glad to see reason hasn't swayed your blind hatred of Del Piero. His peak may have been ten years ago and early in his career, however by all reports he's currently playing close to that peak and judgement I'd agree with. So if he's currently playing close to it his peak is relevant.
Sorry, but I know you've hardly watched any Serie A this season.
He is included on merit, but if Del Piero's peak was higher than Totti's and he's currently playing better than Totti how can he not be 'World Class' if Totti is not. The only way Del Piero got back into Donadoni's plans was by giving him no choice but to select him, Donadoni did all he could not to take Del Piero as the two seemingly don't get along and have had differences in the past.My point as indicated in the 2nd post was he should be picked on merit not reputation, and due to his form being outstanding then that's what he should be judged on. Not on what he has done in the past, what he is doing now. Which to me seems like a fair comment and has nothing to do with this blind hatred that you call it.
I was making the point that 10 years ago shouldn't be relevant compared to today, yet he's in sparking form, so that's why he should be getting picked, on current ability, not on past form. Fair comment? No?
Original?
14-05-2008, 19:23
My point as indicated in the 2nd post was he should be picked on merit not reputation, and due to his form being outstanding then that's what he should be judged on. Not on what he has done in the past, what he is doing now. Which to me seems like a fair comment and has nothing to do with this blind hatred that you call it.
I was making the point that 10 years ago shouldn't be relevant compared to today, yet he's in sparking form, so that's why he should be getting picked, on current ability, not on past form. Fair comment? No?
No. As it was a different debate.
If anyone is arguing on whether he should be included, then they are a fool.
The debate was whether he is a 'world class' player, in which every aspect of his career should be taken into account.
No. As it was a different debate.
If anyone is arguing on whether he should be included, then they are a fool.
The debate was whether he is a 'world class' player, in which every aspect of his career should be taken into account.Easy tiger. I wasn't saying he shouldn't be in or anything like that, I was going on about current day that's all and not the past.
You Juve fans get so defensive over Del Piero, it's ridiculous like. :tongue:
I'm talking rubbish yet you claim Totti's passing is over rated, his vision and execution of passes both long and short is amazing, I would be suprised if many would disagree. Regarding creativity Del Piero is a level below.
If Del Piero was a better Trarquatista than Totti he would have played there more often. Its like Alan Smith really, he would play up front more often. He is quite ineffective in midfield like Del Piero is wide, would it be bollocks to suggest they cant be that good in thier preferred role. Or at least not as good as those occupying them. Del Piero played a lot of games from the bench when Totti was available so I don't see how you came to the conclusion they would have shared the number 10 role. And that fact puts your statistic about games in years in that and a four advantage Del Piero has.
I rember when Juve played Roma early in the season need I say more. After 6 months of outperfoming Totti Del Piero becomes world class, you have a short memory.
Why do Italy never seem to have any top wingers?
Our Full backs are our Wingers...they do the job just as good as Wingers and still fullfill there defenseive duties. :cool:
Also Del Piero > Totti for a while in my eyes. Totti is great but Del Piero amazes me.
Quagrella is in poor form so he should ge the boot.
I'm talking rubbish yet you claim Totti's passing is over rated, his vision and execution of passes both long and short is amazing, I would be suprised if many would disagree. Regarding creativity Del Piero is a level below.
If Del Piero was a better Trarquatista than Totti he would have played there more often. Its like Alan Smith really, he would play up front more often. He is quite ineffective in midfield like Del Piero is wide, would it be bollocks to suggest they cant be that good in thier preferred role. Or at least not as good as those occupying them. Del Piero played a lot of games from the bench when Totti was available so I don't see how you came to the conclusion they would have shared the number 10 role. And that fact puts your statistic about games in years in that and a four advantage Del Piero has.
I rember when Juve played Roma early in the season need I say more. After 6 months of outperfoming Totti Del Piero becomes world class, you have a short memory.
Totti, as a playmaker has the ability to be better than Del Piero. I emphasise the has. I'm no Juve fan, but i'd much rather Del Piero than Totti.
As for comparing to Alan Smith :laugh:, did you ever see him play DMF for Utd? I'm guessing not. He covered the role for quite a while, with more success than anyone expected. As a striker, he's not acheived anything since leaving Leeds. Even there he was a poor second to Viduka.
Which is why he should be in on merit based on his current form, not how good he was 10 years ago.
I think Original? covered this one...
fick I never compared the two as players thier situation is similar because they are both used out of position. Don't question if I have seen Alan Smith play, he is a rubbish midfielder and slightly better up front. You think Del Piero is a better playmaker than Totti well Lippi, Trappatoni and Zoff all preferred Totti in that role. Even for Juve Cappello couldn't have thought he was that good there, he played many games on the left or off the bench. You are not a Juve fan so what qualities make Del Piero a better playmaker than Totti?
If Del Piero is world-class and the first name on the team sheet then he will actually perform at a major tournament at the sixth time of asking.
Original?
15-05-2008, 14:04
I'm talking rubbish yet you claim Totti's passing is over rated, his vision and execution of passes both long and short is amazing, I would be suprised if many would disagree. Regarding creativity Del Piero is a level below.
If Del Piero was a better Trarquatista than Totti he would have played there more often. Its like Alan Smith really, he would play up front more often. He is quite ineffective in midfield like Del Piero is wide, would it be bollocks to suggest they cant be that good in thier preferred role. Or at least not as good as those occupying them. Del Piero played a lot of games from the bench when Totti was available so I don't see how you came to the conclusion they would have shared the number 10 role. And that fact puts your statistic about games in years in that and a four advantage Del Piero has.
I rember when Juve played Roma early in the season need I say more. After 6 months of outperfoming Totti Del Piero becomes world class, you have a short memory.
Trequartista, how hard is it to copy? In any case Del Piero is not ineffectual on the wing, he's not at his best but he's still better than any other left midfielder we had for the majority of the period. Any sane person can see that having Del Piero out wide and Totti in the centre is better than having either in the centre and another left midfielder out wide. When selecting a team you don't pick the team on absolute skill, but on the marginal benefit to the team.
Del Piero may not have been in as good form as Totti from around 2000-2005, however since then both have been in very good form and anyone watching Italian football can not deny that. Totti is more creative and has better passing according to you whno has only watched him in Champion's League and International games? I'm afraid the statistics would argue against you. Del Piero has been the sole driving force for Juventus this season, particularly when Camoranesi has been injured. Totti has a lot more creativity around him from the likes of Mancini, Taddei, Giuly, Aquilani and Pizarro. Del Piero has Camoranesi and perhaps Nedved though, he's been very hit and miss over the last few years. I suppose Trezeguet was Juventus' creative spark this season? :rolleyes:
The other thing you've failed to mention is that neither Del Piero or Totti have been particularly good on the international stage. I'm afraid Del Piero has been world class for a long time, now until you actually start to watch Italian football excuse me if I don't take your opinion on it very seriously.
Don't question if I have seen Alan Smith play, he is a rubbish midfielder and slightly better up front.
In reality he has been less than poor at Newcastle in all roles, however his performance for ManU in DMF role was acceptable. Get the videos from that time & see...
You think Del Piero is a better playmaker than Totti well Lippi, Trappatoni and Zoff all preferred Totti in that role. Even for Juve Cappello couldn't have thought he was that good there, he played many games on the left or off the bench. You are not a Juve fan so what qualities make Del Piero a better playmaker than Totti?
I think Original? has this part sewn up, so I'll refrain.
In reality he has been less than poor at Newcastle in all roles, however his performance for ManU in DMF role was acceptable. Get the videos from that time & see...A sweeping understatement if I've ever heard of one. I can quite frankly say he's the worst signing we have made for many a year, and we have bought some absolute shite.
I do rember Cappello using Ibrahimovic and Trezeguet upfront and Nedved on the left I would say his preferred XI would not include Del Piero. Between 2000-2006 Totti was the trequartista for Italy. Only Trappatoni really played them together much and in an important game when Totti was suspended he used Cassano in his position.
I watch Roma and Milan whenever they are on T.V. Udinse and Fiorentina are game aswell but Juve dont interest me much. So I admit I have not seen Del Piero much but when I have he has not looked World-Class, he can prove me wrong this summer and since he is in such great form he cant have any excuses.
Statistics cannot tell how good a passer someone is its actually quite silly to suggest it does, Flamini is a better passer than Gerrard then. You only have to watch a player to see how good thier passing is. I'm sure Totti wins in that department.
Del Piero is World-Class but when was he last considered for an award like the Balon d'Or?
Original?
15-05-2008, 14:44
I do rember Cappello using Ibrahimovic and Trezeguet upfront and Nedved on the left I would say his preferred XI would not include Del Piero. Between 2000-2006 Totti was the trequartista for Italy. Only Trappatoni really played them together much and in an important game when Totti was suspended he used Cassano in his position.
I watch Roma and Milan whenever they are on T.V. Udinse and Fiorentina are game aswell but Juve dont interest me much. So I admit I have not seen Del Piero much but when I have he has not looked World-Class, he can prove me wrong this summer and since he is in such great form he cant have any excuses.
Statistics cannot tell how good a passer someone is its actually quite silly to suggest it does, Flamini is a better passer than Gerrard then. You only have to watch a player to see how good thier passing is. I'm sure Totti wins in that department.
Del Piero is World-Class but when was he last considered for an award like the Balon d'Or?
No, statistics cannot tell you anything yet they can support a conclusion. You've just admitted you don't watch Juventus, you're opnion is rather less than valid I'm afraid. I wouldn't come on a forum and argue with someone over how good Raul was as I don't watch enough Spanish football to have an informed opinion. Think about it.
In reality he has been less than poor at Newcastle in all roles, however his performance for ManU in DMF role was acceptable. Get the videos from that time & see...
I think Original? has this part sewn up, so I'll refrain.
The worst Man Utd teams in recent times had Smith in midfield. He offers commitment and nothing else in that role it you that need to watch the videos not me. You lot drew with Crystal Palace and lost to teams like Norwich with Smith in the middle.
Original? has not convinced me because he has claimed things like Del Piero is as good a passer as Totti and that he has been World-Class for a long time, they are untrue. The fact you avoided the question and decided to hide behind him suggests you don't know what you're on about.
No, statistics cannot tell you anything yet they can support a conclusion. You've just admitted you don't watch Juventus, you're opnion is rather less than valid I'm afraid. I wouldn't come on a forum and argue with someone over how good Raul was as I don't watch enough Spanish football to have an informed opinion. Think about it.
I've seen enough to form an opinion. You don't have to watch a player every week to know how good they are at passing, well I dont. And its not like you become a much better passer in your mid thirties.
The worst Man Utd teams in recent times had Smith in midfield. He offers commitment and nothing else in that role it you that need to watch the videos not me. You lot drew with Crystal Palace and lost to teams like Norwich with Smith in the middle.
Wow. Important fact. Thanks. Lets not forget we are also capable of losing to shit teams with the first 11 on the pitch.
Original? has not convinced me because he has claimed things like Del Piero is as good a passer as Totti and that he has been World-Class for a long time, they are untrue. The fact you avoided the question and decided to hide behind him suggests you don't know what you're on about.
Hide? :laugh: I just happen to agree with him on this 'tis all. Plus it saves me typing...
Edit: Sorry Cobinho, just seen your other post... so you can judge how good a player is from not seeing them regularly? Thank fuck you're not a manger :laugh: Moments ago you blamed Smith for a couple of poor results, what about the games we won with him in the team? Did you not see enough of those to help form an opinion?
You'll be telling me Jason Lee wasn't a pineapple headed muppett next as he scored a goal in a match you once watched.
Wow. Important fact. Thanks. Lets not forget we are also capable of losing to shit teams with the first 11 on the pitch.
Hide? :laugh: I just happen to agree with him on this 'tis all. Plus it saves me typing...
Well I avoided the obvious one like never winning the league and not qualifying for the second round for of the Champions league one year and going out before the quarter finals the next. Or did you forget, it was decision like Smith in midfield that had some of your "support" questioning Fergie's position. You really should watch those videos.
You laugh but out of interest what is it that Original said do you agree with?
EDIT: fick If spent less time laughing and more reading you would know I said "you don't have to watch a player every week to know how good they are at passing "
Well I avoided the obvious one like never winning the league and not qualifying for the second round for of the Champions league one year and going out before the quarter finals the next. Or did you forget, it was decision like Smith in midfield that had some of your "support" questioning Fergie's position. You really should watch those videos.
You laugh but out of interest what is it that Original said do you agree with?
We've failed to win things in other years without Smith in the side. Enough said. As for questioning Fergies position? That's been happening for years on many different subjects. Stam, Ruud, Beckham, need I go on? The time of Smith's midfield stint we had few other options due to injury to Keane and lacking anyone else of quality to cover the role, needs must etc.
Back on topic, Original?'s comments on Del Piero's importance to Juve, the quality he has shown and the fact he has come back from a 'lean' period. He has been more consistant than Totti this season.
Edit: In response to your edit... :laugh: You can only make a valued judgement on a players ability over a season or two, not just a few games here and there. If you only saw the matches that C. Ronaldo drifted out and under performed in, would you still consider him a world class player? My guess is yes.
Its not enough said. In the three years with Smith what did you win? How much did contribute to any of your success? Man Utd never had such a lean period in the last 15 years since Smith was in midfield there. Or is that coincedence?
So coming from a lean period makes you better than a player who out performed you for years. Oh but he was more consistant this despite Totti having a few injuries. Going on that criteria Adebayor is better than Drogba, now thats somthing to laugh at.
I like to say again that you don't have to watch a player every week to know how good they are at passing. Emphasis on passing, its not hard really. I never said you can judge a player overall, I cant understand how you perceived my point that way.
Its not enough said. In the three years with Smith what did you win? How much did contribute to any of your success? Man Utd never had such a lean period in the last 15 years since Smith was in midfield there. Or is that coincedence?
So we've never had 3 barren years before... Smith is the only player to blame and is henceforth to be known as the sole reason. Send him to proverbial Coventry. Or Newcastle. If that's your opinion then OK. I'm due to finish work in ~5 mins so it'll have to do.
So coming from a lean period makes you better than a player who out performed you for years. Oh but he was more consistant this despite Totti having a few injuries. Going on that criteria Adebayor is better than Drogba, now thats somthing to laugh at.
Player inclusion in national sides should be based on current form, not historical. Del Piero is playing better than Totti. I believe you may have alluded to this yourself previously, but I cannot be bothered to check.
I like to say again that you don't have to watch a player every week to know how good they are at passing. Emphasis on passing, its not hard really. I never said you can judge a player overall, I cant understand how you perceived my point that way.
Whether judging a player on individual area of their game or on their abilities as a whole you need a solid basis. A few games just doesn't offer that. Sorry, It's my opinion.
Keyser Soze
15-05-2008, 16:04
I like to say again that you don't have to watch a player every week to know how good they are at passing. Emphasis on passing, its not hard really. I never said you can judge a player overall, I cant understand how you perceived my point that way.
But surely part of how good a passer/player you are, is how consistently you can pick out the pass in competetive matches and/or how often you give it away? If you aren't watching him a great deal, I don't see how you can judge that.
I heard about this thread and just had to come and make a post. Unless I discover more hilarity, I won't be back until perhaps August. Might check back for replies though.
This is my second attempt at this post due to the board being a bastard and its entirely different to the first attempt. Enjoy.
I'm just sorry that Sweey has departed as this would possibly be the first time he'd have sided with me on a Del Piero debate.
Well, only to the extent that Del Piero deserves an Italy call-up :tongue: He'll likely fuck it up but his form at the moment is excellent. Three months ago I'd never have included him, even if you'd paid me, but now both he and Inzaghi deserve to go. They've come good at the business end of the season and are superior to Quagliarella who is vastly over-rated and Borriello who despite his performances, concerns me as a one-season wonder who will struggle to make the difference at such a level.
Why do Italy never seem to have any top wingers?
They all realise they will fail in comparison to Bruno Conti, who threatens to turn any youngsters into the next Gianluigi Lentini. Would put anyone off to be honest. It also just isn't the way of our football.
what are your thoughts on montolivo? he looks like a promising young player. From the UEFA cup games ive seen him play hes been pretty much fiorentina's creative outlet.
Excellent player though I feel he needs one final push to take his ability to the top level and then sustain his performances at that elevated level for his own sake as well as Italy's.
Our Full backs are our Wingers...they do the job just as good as Wingers and still fullfill there defenseive duties. :cool:
Also Del Piero > Totti for a while in my eyes. Totti is great but Del Piero amazes me.
Quagrella is in poor form so he should ge the boot.
Zambrotta is the king of that, as a former winger. Grosso has done well in recent times too but Oddo.....:no:
Quagliarella is indeed over-rated.
Now you can go on about Del Piero and his peak but the fact is for the best part of a decade Totti was Italy's number 10 and Del Piero was either accommodated somewhere else or his understudy. Even after retirement Donadoni try to convice him to return. And its no coincidence that Italy often play a 433 without thier tradmark number 10 since Totti's retirement, something they have never been without for as long as I remember. The only logical reason for this is a lack of quality available to fill the void Del Piero inculded.
I do rember Cappello using Ibrahimovic and Trezeguet upfront and Nedved on the left I would say his preferred XI would not include Del Piero. Between 2000-2006 Totti was the trequartista for Italy. Only Trappatoni really played them together much and in an important game when Totti was suspended he used Cassano in his position.
We need to get something straight I'm afraid. Totti did not hold that role from 2000 to 2006. Trapattoni, to the detriment of Italy, moved Totti back into the Pirlo role which he clearly isn't good at in order to accommodate Del Piero in his favoured role. Prior to a major tournament - I'm pretty sure it was the 2002 WC - Del Piero excelled on the left side but told Trapattoni he categorically hated it and wanted to play in the middle. Trapattoni, being a tactical idiot - he kept picking Di Livio for fucks sake - changed the entire system to accommodate Del Boy. Del Piero is better for Italy as a left-sided attacking midfielder or even out-and-out left winger. He has pace and dribbling speed that Totti does not making him a more versatile player. Totti must be positioned centrally and then drifts of his own accord, more in the Baggio mould although Baggio was head and shoulders above both of them.
Donadoni tried to convince Totti to come out of retirement because Italy have only two quality playmakers and as one of them has retired, it leaves only one available for the national side. If Del Piero is out of form or injured, we have none and have to go to 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 with Di Natale on the left side behind Toni. It doesn't suit us considering our best midfielders are "one in ten free-kicks are useful, I can't run and have limited strength...plus I'm tired" Pirlo and the defensive Gattuso and De Rossi. Perrotta is effective in an offensive role when overlapping Totti in Roma's formation, a strategy Italy do not yet employ and likely never will, and Aquilani, though able to play as a defensive or offensive midfielder, is a fringe player for Italy mirroring his role for Roma.
The 4-3-3 is because Donadoni wants to go on the attack but we suffer from poor ball retention. I like Del Piero down the left for Italy and think it is his best position for the national side but as I said, he hates it and has told Donadoni that recently too. That is in stark contrast to one of your posts which I believe suggests Del Piero is poor out wide. He loves playing centrally behind a front duo for Italy but makes attacking runs more frequently than Totti does in such a role and not just through the centre leaving the midfield more exposed. Donadoni will be massacred by the media if Italy lose employing such an outrageously dangerous formation and it is a massive gamble to employ such a formation...4-3-3 isn't working because we shouldn't be playing it. Donadoni has, as Lippi says, tried to move away from the 2006 WC team and formation far too quickly.
I, like you Cobinho, prefer Totti to Del Piero and Original? and I have managed to debate this in a healthy manner twice previously on this board in a very respectful manner, perhaps the best debate I've ever been involved in on this forum. I have my opinion, he has his. You're picking the wrong reasons for choosing Totti as I've hopefully outlined in the above.
As for Cassano who you mentioned in one of your posts...he could be as good as either of them but instead wants to have his temper tantrums and is ruining his career with those, his strange weight problems at Real and his emotional instability. Cassano was an explosive (in every way) player who Capello moulded into an amazing forward alongside Totti in a front duo for Roma that nobody could really handle. It resembled Roma's current formation. He excelled for Italy...but where is he now? I wouldn't take him to Euro 2008 unless you offered me some sort of personal incentive and even then he'd simply cause problems either by throwing a Seedorf/Gullit or being too childish and annoying his team-mates. This is the same man who owes Capello a lot, turned on him after being told off for messing around in training..."You're not Maradona" stated Capello and Cassano stormed off. He then turned on Totti, his best friend at Roma, and the entire club destroying them internally. As soon as he left for Real, Roma recovered from a dire season in miraculous fashion. Cassano wanted Capello at Real...a man who "understood him", who he considered a father and he got him. He was rightly dropped by Capello and turned on him AGAIN. He piled on the pounds, didn't train properly, didn't perform and then ran off to Sampdoria. In Genoa he has broken down on the pitch, had a go at a referee, received a five-match ban....fucks sake what comes next in the Cassano saga? Can't really compare that ridiculousness to Totti and Del Boy.
Finally, what are the last few posts about considering what thread this is?
Italy's provisional Euro 2008 squad:
Goalkeepers: Gigi Buffon (Juventus), Marco Amelia (Livorno), Morgan De Sanctis (Sevilla)
Defenders: Christian Panucci (Roma), Fabio Cannavaro (Real Madrid), Marco Materazzi (Inter), Gianluca Zambrotta (Barcelona), Andrea Barzagli (Palermo), Giorgio Chiellini (Juventus), Fabio Grosso (Lyon)
Midfielders: Mauro Camoranesi (Juventus), Andrea Pirlo (Milan), Gennaro Gattuso (Milan), Massimo Ambrosini (Milan), Daniele De Rossi (Roma), Simone Perrotta (Roma), Alberto Aquilani (Roma), Riccardo Montolivo (Fiorentina)
Strikers: Luca Toni (Bayern Munich), Antonio Di Natale (Udinese), Quagliarella (Udinese), Alessandro Del Piero (Juventus), Marco Borriello (Genoa), Antonio Cassano (Sampdoria)
Lorenzinho
20-05-2008, 22:52
Was just about to post this. Good to see Del Piero included, as well as Montolivo. Small gamble there, which is nice to see.
I am unsure about Cassano's inclusion. If he doesn't go off on one he could be exceptional.
nath_scfc
20-05-2008, 22:57
Was just about to post this. Good to see Del Piero included, as well as Montolivo. Small gamble there, which is nice to see.
I am unsure about Cassano's inclusion. If he doesn't go off on one he could be exceptional.
Yeah, it's one of them. I'm personally of the opinion that you could win it without him so wouldn't take the risk. But it's pretty ballsy to take some so volatile, and in these circumstances fortune often favours the brave so perhaps he could be a star performer.
I like Montolivo a lot, so I'm glad I might be seeing him perform over the summer. It'll be great to have Del Boy at the tournament too.
Keyser Soze
20-05-2008, 22:59
I like Montolivo a lot, so I'm glad I might be seeing him perform over the summer.
Same here, I'd love to see him at an even bigger club. Technically, he's incredible.
Original?
20-05-2008, 23:02
Couldn't be much happier with the selection to be honest, Donadoni taking both Del Piero and Cassano is a very bold move. Quagliarella is the only let down as I would have much preferred to see Pippo Inzaghi, as he will always be one of those with a goal in him. As for Cassano, he may be a fruit-loop but so were many other exceptional talents that did it on the international scene so we will se whether he can prove his genius.
Montolivo is unlikely to actually make the trip, though I'd rather drop Ambrosini I think.
Cassano. :wub:
:crymore: :realmad: :loopy: sums him up better imo.
Still class of course.
Lippi's back.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_3742835,00.html
Which means Materazzi and Panucci won't be playing for Italy anymore.
Original?
27-06-2008, 11:10
Hmmm... not impressed, but hardly surprised.
jedifunk
27-06-2008, 17:32
we need youth in the squad!
Most of them aren't good enough I think except for the likes of Montolivo, Giovinco and some others.
jedifunk
28-06-2008, 21:29
aquafresca seems like an up and comer. and some of the youths that played in the toulon tourney last month, which italy won... but some of them are still a ways away
we need youth in the squad!
Yeah you do. I think Italy have alot of talent between the age of 20-25 they do need a chance.
The Olympic team are doing well so far with 3-0 wins over Honduras and Korea. We've got Cameroon tomorrow and are likely to get Belgium in the next phase as runners-up in Brazil's group.
Paloschi is rocking in the olympics
Paloschi is rocking in the olympics
He's not even there.
He's not even there.
ok then, who is wearing the shirt that says paloschi on it?
ok then, who is wearing the shirt that says paloschi on it?
I'd suggest there isn't a shirt with Paloschi on it. Alberto Paloschi was Milan's lone striker in the first half of last Saturday evening's friendly at Manchester City. He wasn't a part of the squad:
1 Emiliano VIVIANO
2 Marco MOTTA
3 Paolo DE CEGLIE
4 Antonio NOCERINO
5 Luca CIGARINI
6 Domenico CRISCITO
7 Riccardo MONTOLIVO
8 Claudio MARCHISIO
9 Tommaso ROCCHI
10 Sebastian GIOVINCO
11 Giuseppe ROSSI
12 Daniele DESSENA
13 Andrea CODA
14 Robert ACQUAFRESCA
15 Salvatore BOCCHETTI
16 Lorenzo DE SILVESTRI
17 Ignazio ABATE
18 Andrea CONSIGLI
Rocchi and Marchisio are now injured and due back in Italy either tomorrow night or on Thursday morning with Andrea Russotto expected to be called up as Rocchi's replacement.
I'd suggest there isn't a shirt with Paloschi on it. Alberto Paloschi was Milan's lone striker in the first half of last Saturday evening's friendly at Manchester City. He wasn't a part of the squad:
1 Emiliano VIVIANO
2 Marco MOTTA
3 Paolo DE CEGLIE
4 Antonio NOCERINO
5 Luca CIGARINI
6 Domenico CRISCITO
7 Riccardo MONTOLIVO
8 Claudio MARCHISIO
9 Tommaso ROCCHI
10 Sebastian GIOVINCO
11 Giuseppe ROSSI
12 Daniele DESSENA
13 Andrea CODA
14 Robert ACQUAFRESCA
15 Salvatore BOCCHETTI
16 Lorenzo DE SILVESTRI
17 Ignazio ABATE
18 Andrea CONSIGLI
Rocchi and Marchisio are now injured and due back in Italy either tomorrow night or on Thursday morning with Andrea Russotto expected to be called up as Rocchi's replacement.
but am really sure i saw him earlier on, maybe it wasnt the olympics, but there is no other soccer match going on expect for club preseason friendly, maybe i saw him in the U-21 matches on UEFA.com
Roma midfielder Daniele DeRossi's brother-in-law has been found dead in Aprilia with gunshot wounds to the head.
The anti-Mafia squad are investigating the death of Massimiliano Pisnoli who is the elder brother of De Rossi's wife Tamara Pisnoli
And apparently it was his father in law who did the killing.
This is after Mexes' wife was carjacked with their daughter still in the back.
Dragonfly
14-08-2008, 01:39
Roma midfielder Daniele DeRossi's brother-in-law has been found dead in Aprilia with gunshot wounds to the head.
The anti-Mafia squad are investigating the death of Massimiliano Pisnoli who is the elder brother of De Rossi's wife Tamara Pisnoli
And apparently it was his father in law who did the killing.
This is after Mexes' wife was carjacked with their daughter still in the back.
It's funny how that post was number 666 of this thread. :devil:
14/08:
Should probably be in the Serie A thread :tongue:
0-0 draw with Cameroon yesterday, a performance which some veterans have blasted. Belgium up next...
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16/08:
I'm furious. We get a penalty, Belgium have a player sent off and Rossi converts it so we're 1-0 ahead and a man up. At half-time we're fucking losing 2-1. Absolutely disgusting.
Cannon ball
03-09-2008, 18:02
Just days before the Azzurri kick off their bid to reach South Africa 2010, FIFA President Joseph S. Blatter, accompanied by a FIFA delegation including Secretary General Jerome Valcke, visited the Italian Football Association (FIGC) Technical Centre in Coverciano to bestow a special accolade upon their hosts.
The prestigious FIFA World Champions Badge was presented for the first time, and Italy will wear it on their jerseys for a maiden time during Saturday's opening qualifier against Cyprus in Larnaca, where they will be guided by the talismanic Marcello Lippi. The 60-year-old masterminded their Germany 2006 triumph and, after a two-year hiatus, is back in the hot-seat.
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1384/868540fulllndnv4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/868540fulllndnv4.jpg/1/w512.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img225/868540fulllndnv4.jpg/1/)
I'm suprised Sepp Blatter didn't hurl the shirt down in disgust, as he seems prejudiced against Italians.
06/09:
That's the difference between Slippy Lippi and Donadoni; with Lippi we've won 2-1 in Cyprus and if Donadoni had been in charge tonight, we'd never have scored that last minute winner.
Well...that isn't exactly the ONLY difference but you know what I mean. The players have more confidence in Lippi and in their ability to serve him. Gilardino is a prime example of that.
05/10:
Squad for World Cup qualifiers against Bulgaria and Montenegro:
Goalkeepers Buffon (Juventus), Amelia (Palermo), De Sanctis (Galatasaray)
Defenders Bonera (Milan), Cannavaro (Real Madrid), Chiellini (Juventus), Dossena (Liverpool), Gamberini (Fiorentina), Santacroce (Napoli), Zambrotta (Milan)
Midfielders Aquilani (Roma), Camoranesi (Juventus), De Rossi (Roma), Gattuso (Milan), Maggio (Napoli), Montolivo (Fiorentina), Nocerino (Palermo), Perrotta (Roma)
Forwards Di Natale (Udinese), Gilardino (Fiorentina), Pepe (Udinese), G Rossi (Villareal), Toni (Bayern Munich).
Materazzi, Legrottaglie, Cassetti, Grosso, Pirlo, Palombo, Iaquinta injured (not sure all would've been called up anyway), Del Piero dropped, Cassano overlooked.
First senior call-ups for Santacroce, Maggio, Pepe and Rossi.
Cannon ball
05-10-2008, 19:03
Has Nesta retired from internationals? Will Totti ever return?
Has Nesta retired from internationals? Will Totti ever return?
Yes and no.
Nesta retired after the 2006 World Cup due to his persistent injuries which have continued.
Totti retired partly due to injuries but was supposedly open to the idea of coming back under Lippi. However, he too is struggling with his fitness hence Roma's dismal start to Serie A which continued today.
mufcsean
06-10-2008, 02:26
Haven't seen a Sampdoria game in a while, has Cassano been a bit quiet lately or is he just generally overlooked?
Haven't seen a Sampdoria game in a while, has Cassano been a bit quiet lately or is he just generally overlooked?
From what I seen, Cassano is there go to guy. I think he is a bit greedy and takes as much shots as he wants with no thought of passing. He fucks up a lot, but people like what he does when tricks and goals come off right.
jedifunk
06-10-2008, 04:56
i take it ambrosini was overlooked... not that i care, but he seems to be a staple of the squad lately
Haven't seen a Sampdoria game in a while, has Cassano been a bit quiet lately or is he just generally overlooked?
He probably deserves a call-up in fairness to him but Lippi clearly has other ideas.
StaVriS92
06-10-2008, 22:19
Cassano was brilliant last year and i think he deserves some improvment! and his character also has been improved, he just not argue with everyone he finds in his way xD
0-0 draw with Bulgaria last night in a game which saw more youngsters given a chance. Toni is suspended for the Montenegro game on Wednesday so Quagliarella is called up and could easily start alongside Udinese team-mates Simone Pepe and Antonio Di Natale in attack.
If we avoid defeat against Montenegro, Marcello Lippi will equal Vittorio Pozzo's record of 30 consecutive matches without defeat.
The under-21s, meanwhile, look in trouble. A 0-0 home draw with Israel and Giovinco plus two others suspended for the second leg along with a couple of injury worries and Casiraghi, who I slated from his initial appointment, could well be out of a job very soon.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_4324033,00.html
Good move. There's no place for violence from our fans.
I.N Extasy
13-10-2008, 13:37
You think that would cause a noticeable (psychological) disadvantage to the Italian national team when playing away?
Not when you notice our next away game isn't until March and that's against Montenegro as opposed to someone like France.
This is Italian football - always look for the catch. The FA gesture actually means sweet fuck all and I guarantee barring any serious incidents in Serie A, we'll take the allocation for the Montenegro game. Abete only came out with those statements because it'll make him look good.
I.N Extasy
15-10-2008, 15:45
Not when you notice our next away game isn't until March and that's against Montenegro as opposed to someone like France.
This is Italian football - always look for the catch. The FA gesture actually means sweet fuck all and I guarantee barring any serious incidents in Serie A, we'll take the allocation for the Montenegro game. Abete only came out with those statements because it'll make him look good.
:chanlaugh:
Supposing that you are allocated a certain amount of fans to travel to Montenegro, I believe only few will be allowed to come. Even if not, Montenegro isn't a side that play any jaw-dropping football. At least not now.
:chanlaugh:
Supposing that you are allocated a certain amount of fans to travel to Montenegro, I believe only few will be allowed to come. Even if not, Montenegro isn't a side that play any jaw-dropping football. At least not now.
They've got players far more technical than their English counterparts. Admittedly that isn't the world's toughest task but expect a lot of jaw-dropping football, just not the results to match it.
Slippy Lippi has the new record: 31 consecutive games in charge of Italy without defeat.
Original?
20-11-2008, 19:37
Slippy Lippi has the new record: 31 consecutive games in charge of Italy without defeat.
Hmmm... ;)
Hmmm... ;)
His break doesn't count ;)
Slippy Lippi is so apt for his achievement...congratulations to him though.
Original?
20-11-2008, 20:56
His break doesn't count ;)
Slippy Lippi is so apt for his achievement...congratulations to him though.
I don't he should hold the record personally, but that's me.
Phatmann
06-02-2009, 11:55
Anyone know if the squad has been announced for the game against Brazil? I've seen the Brazil squad and it looks pretty strong so I'm hoping Italys will be strong too.
Saturday, probably early afternoon before Lecce-Inter (5pm) and Milan-Reggina (7:30pm).
Phatmann
06-02-2009, 12:21
Thanks, I'll have a look out for that. Are there any notable injuries to any of the big name players that will mean they won't be available for selection? I don't keep up with Italian football as much as I should so would have probably completely missed something like that.
Thanks, I'll have a look out for that. Are there any notable injuries to any of the big name players that will mean they won't be available for selection? I don't keep up with Italian football as much as I should so would have probably completely missed something like that.
Chiellini and Gattuso are injured and Buffon has had injuries and viruses so might be overlooked on purpose. I think Materazzi may be injured as I've not seen him for a while although I try to avoid Inter games more often than not.
CDDRodrigo
06-02-2009, 14:49
good luck on it, Sweey.
Hope Del Piero is titular :)
Phatmann
06-02-2009, 14:53
Rodrigo, I'll be cheering on the Brazilians at the Emirates as always.:smug: Hopefully Anderson will play a big part in the game.
Bit of a shame Chiellini won't be playing as from the few times I've seen him I've been very impressed.
Rodrigo, I'll be cheering on the Brazilians at the Emirates as always.:smug: Hopefully Anderson will play a big part in the game.
Bit of a shame Chiellini won't be playing as from the few times I've seen him I've been very impressed.
He would be my first target for a defender in the summer, if I was Wenger. Really rate him. Hardly any chance though.
Phatmann
06-02-2009, 15:07
He would be my first target for a defender in the summer, if I was Wenger. Really rate him. Hardly any chance though.
How many Italian defenders have ever lasted in the premiership though? I think they much prefer to play in Serie A than in the prem. In fact even in other positions there are very few Italians who stay for long in the prem, not necessarily because they're not good enough though. I can see Wenger bringing in a French or African defender from the French leagues for a couple of million in the summer rather than paying big bucks for someone like Chiellini. Out of interest, what's the most Arsenal have spent on a transfer since Wenger has been there?
I think Anderson has pulled out, he hasn't recovered in time.
How many Italian defenders have ever lasted in the England League though? I think they much prefer to play in Serie A than in the prem. In fact even in other positions there are very few Italians who stay for long in the prem, not necessarily because they're not good enough though. I can see Wenger bringing in a French or African defender from the French leagues for a couple of million in the summer rather than paying big bucks for someone like Chiellini. Out of interest, what's the most Arsenal have spent on a transfer since Wenger has been there?
Probably the Arshavin deal, which is believed to be around 15,16 million. Reyes' was similar sort of money. Chiellini would definitely be up there in those figures, maybe more.
I agree though, Italian players prefer playing in their own league, why wouldn't they.
Except Barzagli who prefers the Bundeliga as there are more goals - great attitude for a defender :huh:
Original?
06-02-2009, 17:31
The reason that most Italian players don't do as well in England is a mixture of a number of factors:
- If they were among the elite they would be playing for Juventus, Milan, Roma, Fiorentina or in the one spot Inter afford to Italian players.
- If they were very good they would be playing for Palermo, Udinese, Lazio, Napoli or Genoa.
- It takes time to adapt to the different style of football, many of them are not afforded this.
The reason that most Italian players don't do as well in England is a mixture of a number of factors:
- If they were among the elite they would be playing for Juventus, Milan, Roma, Fiorentina or in the one spot Inter afford to Italian players.
- If they were very good they would be playing for Palermo, Udinese, Lazio, Napoli or Genoa.
- It takes time to adapt to the different style of football, many of them are not afforded this.
Very true.
Serie A never missed the likes of Zola, Ravanelli, Vialli, Branca, Casiraghi, Di Matteo and Corradi either because they weren't at their peak when they left or because they were simply never world class. We certainly don't miss Barzagli, Zaccardo and Di Michele now either. Tommasi also went to Spain beyond his peak, Storari is a great shot-stopper for a lesser team but not quite up being first-choice for an elite Italian club. Emiliano Moretti similarly. Obviously I've moved to La Liga here but there are more examples that way.
Christian Vieri proved you can go abroad and remain in the Italy squad if you do well. Cannavaro and Zambrotta have proved it again recently. For all Zola did in England (and he's probably the second best of the players I mentioned in the second paragraph) he wasn't as good as the competition he had for his place in the Italy squad and his continued involvement in the national side was rightly criticised by fans and media alike.
Squad for Brazil:
Goalkeepers: Buffon (Juventus), Amelia (Palermo), De Sanctis (Galatasaray).
Defenders: Bonera (Milan), Cannavaro (Real Madrid), Dossena (Liverpool), Gamberini (Fiorentina), Grosso (Olympique Lyon), Legrottaglie (Juventus), Zambrotta (Milan).
Midfielders: Aquilani (Roma), Camoranesi (Juventus), De Rossi (Roma), Montolivo (Fiorentina), Pepe (Udinese), Perrotta (Roma), Pirlo (Milan).
Forwards: Di Natale (Udinese), Gilardino (Fiorentina), Iaquinta (Juventus), Quagliarella (Udinese), Rossi (Villarreal), Toni (Bayern Munich).
Del Piero and Cassano have been left out.
Phatmann
07-02-2009, 13:42
Is Del Piero fit then? :( Bit gutted I won't get to see him but the squad looks pretty strong and hopefully it'll make for a great game.
Del Piero is fit, he'll be playing tonight against Catania. Lippi must be trying to work out which one he's picked will be dropped for official games when Del Piero is included.
CDDRodrigo
07-02-2009, 14:59
Oh noes, I was hoping to see Del Piero in the azzurri...
jedifunk
07-02-2009, 15:20
lippi has stated that del piero is NOT done with the national team... he is simply looking at other option.
he already knows del piero's quality
That Grosso goal was fantastic and shouldn't have been disallowed.
I think his elbow was offside.
But yeah, fantastic pass and finish.
I think his elbow was offside.
But yeah, fantastic pass and finish.
I'm pretty sure it was his enormous phallus.
1-0 Brazil :faceplm: Legrottaglie was a mixture of unlucky and incompetent.
Lorenzinho
10-02-2009, 20:03
Scum! Scum! Scum!
Original?
10-02-2009, 20:05
Fucking Elano... doesn't do that for City.
Fucking typical Pirlo!! :realmad: Get the fuck out of my club you useless shit.
Lorenzinho
10-02-2009, 20:18
Nearly did it again just there. On a side note, how fat is Adriano?
mufcsean
10-02-2009, 20:24
That Grosso goal was brilliant, shouldn't have been taken away.
Robinho's was just outstanding.
Original?
10-02-2009, 20:39
Disgusting.
Disappointing stuff from Italy so far. I know it's just a friendly but it's not what I'd expect to see from Italy.
Billy Minof
10-02-2009, 20:42
Robinho's was just outstanding.
Indeed, great goal. He always seems to shine for Brazil.
StringerBell
10-02-2009, 20:44
Robinho's goal was amazing he made it look so easy. For Italy its time to put Toni in
Disappointing stuff from Italy so far. I know it's just a friendly but it's not what I'd expect to see from Italy.
Not what we'd expect either.
Good substitutions:
Camoranesi for Pepe
Perrotta for Montolivo
Toni for Gilardino
Rossi for Di Natale
I'm really not sure why any coach persists with playing Montolivo in a central midfield role.
Original?
10-02-2009, 20:56
The answer is sitting at home in Italy.
Now that one was rightly disallowed.
The answer is sitting at home in Italy.
Yes but he's injured, "retired" from international football and showing signs of age is our Totti.
Original?
10-02-2009, 21:16
Now that one was rightly disallowed.
Yes but he's injured, "retired" from international football and showing signs of age is our Totti.
I was talking about Baggio... :unsure:
I was talking about Baggio... :unsure:
You know my post was initially about Baggio but I edited it :chanlaugh:
Because I know who you really mean but I'd rather not give Amauri the time of day
Dragonfly
10-02-2009, 21:19
I thought he meant Del Piero.
What does everybody else think?
I only seen the top of this page, and thought he was on about the world cup :erm:
Whats the score? Good game?
I thought he meant Del Piero.
:faceplm: You ruined it.
Pirlo off - good. Dossena on - bad.
Whats the score? Good game?
Aside from patches, we've been pretty shit. Brazil leading 2-0 and we've had two goals disallowed, one wrongly after three minutes and one rightly in the second half as Toni clearly handled the ball.
Dragonfly
10-02-2009, 21:24
I only seen the top of this page, and thought he was on about the world cup :erm:
Whats the score? Good game?
Those are both half of two separate Bruce Forsyth catchphrases.
It's 2-0 to Brasil and it's been a good game, but the quality seems to be waning a tad.
EDIT:
It is Del Piero? :faceplm:
:shifty:
Holy cow, just checked on skysports, because I didnt beleive you :erm:
To me though, the brazil team looks far better than the italy squad...
Thiago Silva! :w00t Hopefully he'll do us a favour and fuck up twice.
EDIT: Patooooooooooooooooo - and that's just him coming on.
Original?
10-02-2009, 21:34
It's 2-0 to Brasil and it's been a good game, but the quality seems to be waning a tad.
Why must you deceive the lad?
Why must you deceive the lad?
Its been comparable to our match on FIFA last night except I managed to attack more than Italy have tonight.
Dragonfly
10-02-2009, 21:39
Why must you deceive the lad?
The tempo has been pretty good for a friendly. It hasn't been the best game, technically, especially the second half, that's why I said the quality has dipped. I think it's been fairly entertaining, though.
Original?
10-02-2009, 21:39
Its been comparable to our match on FIFA last night except I managed to attack more than Italy have tonight.
Let's not get carried away... :tongue:
Fancy a re-match after we get through this dross.
Let's not get carried away... :tongue:
Fancy a re-match after we get through this dross.
Have to eat now but might be online later. I can't cross to save my life in that game. At least my shooting is less Milosevic-esque.
CDDRodrigo
10-02-2009, 21:47
What happened to the best defense of all time?
Honestly, Italy didn't play what they can. Ofc we had some help of the ref, but anyway...
What happened to the best defense of all time?
Honestly, Italy didn't play what they can. Ofc we had some help of the ref, but anyway...
Some questionable refereeing - obviously the first disallowed goal - but we did nothing to help ourselves and Pirlo is no stranger to being a dick just outside his own penalty area and it resulting in a goal being conceded. You did the job you needed to and well done to you for that.
Its a shame Lippi didn't break the world record for consecutive international games without defeat as a coach.
Italian players didn't look as up for it as the Brazilians, in the 1st half at least. Pirlo's 'effort' for the 2nd goal was pretty poor. Definitely missed Chiellini. Rossi looked lively when he came on.
Grosso's goal should have stood, may have been a different game had that been allowed. Good game though. Good seeing Gilberto and The Beast back at the Emirates. ;)
CDDRodrigo
10-02-2009, 22:02
Yeah, Pirlo surprised me...
Original?
10-02-2009, 23:03
Rossi looked lively but also didn't seem to be aware of anyone else on the pitch, if I didn't know better I'd have though no-one in blue knew each other.
Rossi looked lively but also didn't seem to be aware of anyone else on the pitch, if I didn't know better I'd have though no-one in blue knew each other.
I was sitting there asking myself why he's so up himself he wouldn't pass the ball to anyone.
Original?
11-02-2009, 01:16
I was sitting there asking myself why he's so up himself he wouldn't pass the ball to anyone.
I can't agree more... neither can Toni.
I appreciate the point that Lippi knows what Del Piero can do, however he doesn't know what he can do in this team and is preventing a real partnership developing between anyone if he continues in this vein.
italy need a younger vieri
Original?
11-02-2009, 01:38
italy need a younger vieri
If we're making ridiculous statements, we need a younger Baggio, Maldini and a significantly younger Valentino Mazzola.
Mullet Taylor
11-02-2009, 01:42
getting bent outta shape over a friendly...oh my
sorry, its just that im a huge vieri fan
Original?
11-02-2009, 02:18
getting bent outta shape over a friendly...oh my
Did you watch it?
Mullet Taylor
11-02-2009, 02:45
nah, but end the day, its a friendly - nothing to cry about. too much are made from frindlies. i think friendly games should just be scrapped. having training sessions instead of matches.... but that would mean jo public hold onto more money and companies don't like that idea so whatcha gonna do
Original?
11-02-2009, 03:09
nah, but end the day, its a friendly - nothing to cry about. too much are made from frindlies. i think friendly games should just be scrapped. having training sessions instead of matches.... but that would mean jo public hold onto more money and companies don't like that idea so whatcha gonna do
Then don't come in here and discuss it.
Mullet Taylor
11-02-2009, 03:36
o0o0o0 spat your wee dummy have we ?
i seen italy was the only new post so i wondered in and gave my opinion
friendlies are so pointless. right when the big clubs are heading for crunch time and need every player fighting fit and rested best they can
i know its good for the fans to get a wee look at how their national side is progressing/declining but for season ticket holders, what happens when one of their club players get injured and what for ? a fukin friendly ??
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