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And you're not allowed to slag people off based on what they say either.
- I hate Radiohead. I've tried listening to OK Computer and Kid A etc... thinking I'll eventually like it, but it doesn't happen. I think they're just plain dull. Weirdly, I really like bands like Muse, Hope Of The States and The Cooper Temple Clause - who are all quite Radiohead-like.
- The Beatles are hideously over-rated. A decent band, some good songs. But shut up about them already.
- I don't like Metal. I try, but no, it's not happening. It just hurts my ears. Not even the old stuff.
- I think Anti-George Bush sentiments are ruining music, especially in punk music. It's just a gimmick now to shift CDs, I can't really take it seriously anymore.
- The Jam and The Cure were better than The Clash, who in turn were better than The Sex Pistols - but everyone else thinks it's the other way around.
- Hiphop is in a pretty terrible state. Too many talentless idiots writing lyrics about the same tedious things over and over again.
- Punk rock music is excellent. Punk rock culture is a bit ridiculous.
- The 90s was probably the worst decade for popular music.
- I hate RnB (not from when RnB meant actually Rhythm and Blues, I mean since the genres been highjacked by Usher and co)
Let's have yours.
- Oasis haven't made decent album since "...(Morning Glory)"
- Kaiser Chiefs are shite
- Pixies were a criminally underrated band
- James Blunt is a shit songwriter
- Blur are also underrated
- I can't get into all this new-wave indie genre, as much as i try, there's just too many new bands who I feel don't say wnything different.
Can't be arsed to think of anymore at the moment.
- Most of the new indie British bands sound the same, I can't make out whether I'm listening to band A or band B.
- The Black Eyed Peas are the worst thing to happen to music, along with those lesbians who raped eachother and an excellent The Smiths's song. The rasta like guy is a terrible rapper, terrible singer and a terrible entertainer. The girl sounds like she's done some heavy jodeling in Austria for a while and looks terrible.
-U2's shit nowadays, and Mariah Carey is still shit.
-Rolling Stones should quite while they are behind.
- Robbie Williams is terribly annoying, and hailed by everyone.
- The Beatles are hideously over-rated. A decent band, some good songs. But shut up about them already.
Agree
- I don't like Metal. I try, but no, it's not happening. It just hurts my ears. Not even the old stuff.
Agree, with the exception of Motorhead, who kick ass.
- Most of the new indie British bands sound the same, I can't make out whether I'm listening to band A or band B.
Well said.
As for my own:
-Oasis are an entirely boring and unoriginal band who've never released an album that's more than competent, and even their crowning achievement, DM, is an average brit rock album. And contrary to popular opinion, they have awful, generic lyrics, and I cringe whenever I hear people say that Live Forever is meaningful. Blur are miles better.
-My Bloody Valentine, specifically Loveless, is vastly overrated, I simply can't enjoy it.
-The Talking Heads are vastly underrated are far too often overlooked.
-Indie Pop is rubbish, including The Shins, I'm yet to hear an Indie Pop song that doesn't sound like every other indie pop song.
Think of more in a bit.
Muse are the best british band around today.
That is all :tongue:
- Hiphop is in a pretty terrible state. Too many talentless idiots writing lyrics about the same tedious things over and over again.
Unorthodox?
I opt for this thread to be deleted before i get banned for dishing out some abuse
Unorthodox?
I reliased that after I posted, unorthodox perhaps not the right word, but I couldn't think of a more apt one.
And, well, it's my thread. I should be allowed to move the goalposts!
One more off the top of my head....
- The Stroke's Room On Fire was better than Is This It.
- Santana is highly overrated. He hasn't evolved since the 70's!
- Despite the fact that Brazilian music is one of the best in the world, it is very much underrated.
Bravoboy
29-06-2006, 21:58
Radiohead - Finally, I've found someone else who doesn't like them. Now I know there's a lot of controversy with certain cultures that Radiohead are associated with, but trust me, I take no notice of it. I know they've influenced a lot of new bands of the same genre evolving in the UK, but I just cannot enjoy their music, there's no solid reason for it - I've given it a try, and all my friends love them, so it's not as though I've hardly heard any of their stuff. Sorry, they don't do it for me.
Muse - I know there are a lot of people out there who will despise me for this, but Matt Bellamy probably has to have one of the most antagonising voices I have ever heard, it ruins their music in my opinion. The whining, and groaning just really gets on my nerves, and again - I really struggle to enjoy their music.
Also, Craig David's debut album 'Born To Do It' was quite fantastic. :ninja:
Original?
29-06-2006, 22:09
Nirvana - One of the worst mainstream bands ever, however hailed often as one of the best rock bands ever. They were in actual fact, not good, but utter wank with thirteen year old's lyrics, poor guitar work and a voice more annoying than nails on a chalkboard.
The Darkness - They are actually not crap, they're fun, a lot of people liked them until it became fashionable not to like them. They're nothing spectacular but they hardly take themselves seriously so maybe others shouldn't.
Nirvana - One of the worst mainstream bands ever, however hailed often as one of the best rock bands ever. They were in actual fact, not good, but utter wank with thirteen year old's lyrics, poor guitar work and a voice more annoying than nails on a chalkboard.
Best post I've ever seen.
My favourite band are Xutos & Pontapes
Original?
29-06-2006, 22:16
Nirvana Mk. 2 - The fact that they're also thought of as definitive grunge when Soundgarden and Pearl Jam were also labelled grunge, but were obviously infinitely better as they actually made music.
My favourite band are Xutos & Pontapes
Really? No way. Are you portuguese?
The Bee Gee's earlier work before they converted to D-I-S-C-O was absolutely fantastic
Really? No way. Are you portuguese?
No, but I spend a lot of time in Portugal and absolutely love them...I played some to a friend and he just looked at me like I was crazy
Tigermen
29-06-2006, 22:20
Radiohead - Finally, I've found someone else who doesn't like them. Now I know there's a lot of controversy with certain cultures that Radiohead are associated with, but trust me, I take no notice of it. I know they've influenced a lot of new bands of the same genre evolving in the UK, but I just cannot enjoy their music, there's no solid reason for it - I've given it a try, and all my friends love them, so it's not as though I've hardly heard any of their stuff. Sorry, they don't do it for me.
Muse - I know there are a lot of people out there who will despise me for this, but Matt Bellamy probably has to have one of the most antagonising voices I have ever heard, it ruins their music in my opinion. The whining, and groaning just really gets on my nerves, and again - I really struggle to enjoy their music.
Also, Craig David's debut album 'Born To Do It' was quite fantastic. :ninja:
Whilst I do have a soft spot for the bends and OK computer, the wank released after that irritates me no end. Making weird music for the sake of it doesn't make you a genius. Take note Thom.
Also, Muse are massively overrated. Note that calling a band overrated doesn't mean that they're not good, just that they don't deserve the cock lickings they get. Muse are talented individuals, but they're nowhere near as good as most people make out. Matt Bellamy is also a poor man's Jeff Buckley I'm afraid, one of the main reasons I could never get into them.
No, but I spend a lot of time in Portugal and absolutely love them...I played some to a friend and he just looked at me like I was crazy
I don't love them. Honestly I think they're overrated. If you come often to Portugal I'm sure you know Ornatos Violeta, Pluto and Supernada. But I guess that also depends on your age. Ornatos rule but they're extinct. However their vocalist and guitarist formed Pluto. Afterwards, the vocalist and the drummer formed Supernada. Those are really good bands who are completely underrated in Portugal!:angry:
Original?
29-06-2006, 22:37
Also, Muse are massively overrated. Note that calling a band overrated doesn't mean that they're not good, just that they don't deserve the cock lickings they get. Muse are talented individuals, but they're nowhere near as good as most people make out. Matt Bellamy is also a poor man's Jeff Buckley I'm afraid, one of the main reasons I could never get into them.
Have you seen them live? They're twice the band live, awesome live shows, I was goingdown to London with my mates to see them and was actually wondering whether it was going to be worth... I was considering that until the lights went down. One of the best gigs I've ever been to.
Bravoboy
29-06-2006, 22:43
Have you seen them live? They're twice the band live, awesome live shows, I was goingdown to London with my mates to see them and was actually wondering whether it was going to be worth... I was considering that until the lights went down. One of the best gigs I've ever been to.
I can imagine. They're playing Reading, as I'm sure you know, so I'll probably go check them out, just for the experience.
Dragonfly
29-06-2006, 22:44
- I hate Radiohead. I've tried listening to OK Computer and Kid A etc... thinking I'll eventually like it, but it doesn't happen. I think they're just plain dull. Weirdly, I really like bands like Muse, Hope Of The States and The Cooper Temple Clause - who are all quite Radiohead-like.
They seem to be an aquried taste. Sold around a million copies of OK Computer, yet, it was still voted the UK's favourite album, but half a million voters, and The Bends made it in the top 25, and it wasn't even in the short-list :shocking:
- The Beatles are hideously over-rated. A decent band, some good songs. But shut up about them already.
You don't know how right you are. I like them, don't get me wrong, but no way are they the greatest band ever.
- Hiphop is in a pretty terrible state. Too many talentless idiots writing lyrics about the same tedious things over and over again.Yep. I used to like it in the 90s. Well, I say like. There were only a few songs, and they all were covers (or sampling as they call it).
- Punk rock music is excellent. Punk rock culture is a bit ridiculous.
- The 90s was probably the worst decade for popular music.
Woah there!!! I think the 90s was the best ever, closely followed by this decade. I'm a 90s lad, so I guess it was my time, but it was still excellent. My two favourite bands (that got me into Indie music) started around the same time - Oasis and Radiohead. Suede were shit though. My favourite songs are from he 90s, as are my favourite albums.
- I hate RnB (not from when RnB meant actually Rhythm and Blues, I mean since the genres been highjacked by Usher and co)
Shit also. Just like Hip Hop and Rap, it's repetative and very boring. However, modern Indie and Rock music is getting like that too. It's VERY rare to find something good and original.
My Unorthadox Opinions
- The Rolling Stones are overrated. From what I've heard, which to be honest isn't much more than the 10 songs that are always played on radio, I don't think they're all that. They're good, but not great. I'll be getting "40 Licks" the best of album soon, so my opinion may change.
- Keane are great, and their debut album is in my top 10 greatest ever (No. 6). I think they're unfairly put down coz of who they are. People I know that saw they hate them use the same reason - "they're posh" - or they comment on the wasy they look. Stupid really.
- "Revolver" by The Beatles is a good album. Nothing more. Nothing less. Probably not in my top 30 or 40 albums.
- Arctic Monkey's debut album is my 7th favourite album of all time.
- Guns 'n' Roses are shite. Sorry fas, but I've never liked their music much. I can understand why peole would like them, but they're not my kind of music.
Arctic Monkeys debut album is pish
..in reply to Tigermen's comment..
I liked Muse more when they were a kind of unknown band, but it seems that ever since Absolution came out peolpe who love 'pop' seem to think they are that kind of pop style band. Muse are superb live, mesmorizing(sp?), and are not the kind of band people think they are.
Jeff Buckley Yes he is a legend too. Sometimes people say its music to slit your wrist to, and I can see where they are coming from + Matt can be seen as looking up to Jeff but I cant compare the two.
Papa Lazarou
29-06-2006, 22:57
-R&B is all wank
-I prefer Syd Barrett Pink Floyd to stuff after him
-i'm not a fan of Oasis...they're mediocre (apart from a few songs)
-i like Andrew W.K
-Some Slipknot and Korn is actually good
The Stone Roses 2nd Coming is one of the most underrated albums of all time
Bravoboy
29-06-2006, 22:58
-R&B is all wank
-I prefer Syd Barrett Pink Floyd to stuff after him
-i'm not a fan of Oasis...they're mediocre (apart from a few songs)
-i like Andrew W.K
-Some Slipknot and Korn is actually good
Supergrass were very overshadowed by the likes of Oasis, Blur and The Verve in the 90s I feel, would you agree with that?
Papa Lazarou
29-06-2006, 22:59
Supergrass were very overshadowed by the likes of Oasis, Blur and The Verve in the 90s I feel, would you agree with that?
hell yes my friend!! Supergrass are probably the best singles band ever!! Although Blur are still, in my opinion, the kings of Britpop
Dragonfly
29-06-2006, 23:00
The Stone Roses 2nd Coming is one of the most underrated albums of all time
Totally agreed.
I know will treat me like a lepor from now on, but I actually prefer it to the self-titled debut
*DUCK!!!*
RHCP have been shite ever since Blood, Sugar, Sex, Magic
RHCP have been shite ever since Blood, Sugar, Sex, Magic
I have to agree with that, I do not like there new album at all, too samey.
Dragonfly
29-06-2006, 23:03
RHCP have been shite ever since Blood, Sugar, Sex, Magic
They've always been shit, except for the Californication period.
Bravoboy
29-06-2006, 23:04
I've just not liked RCHP ever since I aquired what I think is a good taste in music, to be honest. I remember enjoying By The Way, for some unknown reason. I know there are a fair few on here who enjoy their music though.
Kula Shaker we're fantastic yet you never here a mention at all of their contribution to britpop
greenegg
29-06-2006, 23:43
Totally agreed.
I know will treat me like a lepor from now on, but I actually prefer it to the self-titled debut
*DUCK!!!*
Jesus wept this is the first time I have seen somebody say this but hey it's your opinion I cant have a pop and both albums are fecking great.
Morrissey, Ian Brown and Noel Gallagher are the best singer/songwriters of my time.
The Beatles arent overrated but simply brilliant. It's such simple music but works so well and always has me singing along and cheering myself up
Ash were one of the top bands of the mid-to-late 90's.
FookinChef
29-06-2006, 23:46
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-Maynard James Keenan is the greatest hard rock/metal vocalist of all-time
-Helmet are among the world's most underrated bands
-Red Hot Chilli Peppers have never produced good music
-Nirvana are herrendously overrated and were blatantly outclassed on all accounts by a vastly underrated Alice In Chains
-Drum and bass should not, under any circumstances, have vocals
Dragonfly
29-06-2006, 23:49
Ash were one of the top bands of the mid-to-late 90's.
OH YEAH!!! That they definitely were. (you see what I done there :tongue: )
Also, Tim Wheeler is one of the greatest song-writers ever.
I forgot to mention, Idlewild are one of the best bands ever, in my opinion.
Original?
29-06-2006, 23:53
Savatage are one of the greatest bands ever yet you'll struggle to find someone who has heard of them, let alone knows their music.
The Charlatans are vastly underrated by popular culture
The Charlatans are vastly underrated by popular culture
The Charlatans are awesome especially the song `City of the Dead`
Tigermen
30-06-2006, 00:16
Savatage are one of the greatest bands ever yet you'll struggle to find someone who has heard of them, let alone knows their music.
Maaaaaaadnessss reeeeeeeeeeeeeigns.....In the hall.......of the mountain king.
Amazing.
And yeah, Muse are meant to be exceptional live, so fair play to them for that.
Kevthedrummer
30-06-2006, 00:17
this thread is great, it has stirred up a lot of passion in me... but I've spent the last 3-4 years of my life slagging off music and I'm bored of it now hehe so I'm having to read some of these with a clenched fist or a slight applause... not sure what my point is, probably just that I'm holding back a lot.
Just found a new respect for other peoples tastes in music and how slagging it is more like a dig at the person ya know??
RHCP have been shite ever since Blood, Sugar, Sex, Magic
I'm going to see them in concert next week:no:
My Opinions
Franz Ferdinand have created 2 albums which have a grand total of 3 songs i dont like. They are catchy and amazing in every part of the band.
The Killers appeal to me more and more everytime i listen to them.
Oasis' Dont Believe The Truth took a while but it grew on me.
Pete Doherty is a genius, no matter what anyone says. However, i so agree he is falling of the rails now, and it may not be too long before we see the end...
Dirty Pretty Things are average (but good live).
Coldplay make music that i think will last over time, it sounds great now, and will do in 20 years time.
Eminem has only made one good song, 'Without Me'. The rest are either shit as parodies, or shit for him trying to be serious.
I Am The Walrus by Oasis is better than the original by The Beatles.
The Arctic Monkies are shit lyricists...and all they can do is form catchy guitar riffs
Ritz To Rubble is the most over-rated song ever.
Ian Brown isn't recognised as the genius he is
Red Hot Chili Peppers have just produced their 2nd best album, behind Californication.
Sex and Bird Migration, They're the reason for the 21st century
Aeroplane is RCHP's best song
Punk Rock in USA is not music, it is a way of life for 14 year olds in the UK wanting to be American. And in America, 14 year olds wanting to be 20 year olds.
Bryan Adams = Shit, as does Summer Of 69
Bohemian Rhapsody starts and ends really shit
Dont Stop Me Now is Queen's best song
Nirvana weren't that good, and neiter are those who copy them.
Morrissey (and The Smiths) are lyrical geniuses
- No other singer/songwriter has even come close to match Jeff Buckley, for both vocal and songwriting talent. And, where death normally makes people out to be better than they actually ever were (i.e. Cobain) I think Buckley's death had the opposite effect. I think he'd have got even bigger if he'd stayed alive.
- At the risk of sounding like a massive scenester, The Libertines were the best band this county's produced since the 70s.
- I despise how many songs are based upon a failed relationship. (and I appreciate the irony of me saying this in the same post where I confess my undying love for Jeff Buckley)
- At the risk of sounding like a massive scenester, The Libertines were the best band this county's produced since the 70s.
I'll let it off as a drug induced moment of madness ;)
I'm going to see them in concert next week:no:
Me mate's are in Ipswich, i told them too ferk right off at 50 notes a ticket or whatever extortionate price they were charging
That's where Dirty Pretty Things are the support band isnt it? :angry:
£30 for the last two tickets of Manchester 2nd night...only my third concert though...
I'll let it off as a drug induced moment of madness ;)
Fraid not. And I'm a big fan of a lot of British music in the last twenty years.
Could be worse though...like my friend declaring Panic At The Disco a better band than Pink Floyd during one particularly messy drinking game!
I don't love them. Honestly I think they're overrated. If you come often to Portugal I'm sure you know Ornatos Violeta, Pluto and Supernada. But I guess that also depends on your age. Ornatos rule but they're extinct. However their vocalist and guitarist formed Pluto. Afterwards, the vocalist and the drummer formed Supernada. Those are really good bands who are completely underrated in Portugal!:angry:
I agree with you about Xutos and Pontapés being overrated. I know that they were one of the bands that revolutionized portuguese music but I think they only have 5 or 6 musics that are worth listening.
Ornatos Violeta are my favourite band ever. They are brilliant, shame they are completely underrated. It's quite worrying the fact that today's kids only listen to shit music like D'ZRT and Boss AC.
Pluto are excellent, but nothing beats Ornatos and I still didn't listen to Supernada, but if Manuel Cruz is their vocalist they must be good.
Do you like Mão Morta? They are also a great band, and I'm not saying this because I am from Braga.
Gun_Runner
30-06-2006, 04:18
Hiphop is in a pretty terrible state. Too many talentless idiots writing lyrics about the same tedious things over and over again.
Couldnt agree more, sometimes it all gets too much and you have to sit back and listen to Common, Rakim or even Masta Ace:D
loving...
Common - I Used to Love H.E.R. (absolute belter of a track, could just put this on repeat all night)
Masta Ace - Beautiful (yet again, beautiful song)
and Im also listening to Rakim - The Master(album) few great tracks on that!:D
TQ - Westside is an absolute MUST for anyone who loves hip-hop, he sort of sings his lyrics in this as though hes and R'n'B artist, but the lyrics are hip-hop...just listen:)
Bravoboy
30-06-2006, 08:27
OH YEAH!!! That they definitely were. (you see what I done there :tongue: )
Sometimes.
See what I did there? :tongue:
- Curtis Mayfield's "Move On Up", in my opinion is one of the greatest songs ever written.
They seem to be an aquried taste. Sold around a million copies of OK Computer, yet, it was still voted the UK's favourite album, but half a million voters, and The Bends made it in the top 25, and it wasn't even in the short-list :shocking:
You don't know how right you are. I like them, don't get me wrong, but no way are they the greatest band ever.
Yep. I used to like it in the 90s. Well, I say like. There were only a few songs, and they all were covers (or sampling as they call it).
Woah there!!! I think the 90s was the best ever, closely followed by this decade. I'm a 90s lad, so I guess it was my time, but it was still excellent. My two favourite bands (that got me into Indie music) started around the same time - Oasis and Radiohead. Suede were shit though. My favourite songs are from he 90s, as are my favourite albums.
My Unorthadox Opinions
- The Rolling Stones are overrated. From what I've heard, which to be honest isn't much more than the 10 songs that are always played on radio, I don't think they're all that. They're good, but not great. I'll be getting "40 Licks" the best of album soon, so my opinion may change.
- Keane are great, and their debut album is in my top 10 greatest ever (No.
- Guns 'n' Roses are shite. Sorry fas, but I've never liked their music much. I can understand why peole would like them, but they're not my kind of music.
:crymore:
- I do think the Rolling Stones are overrated as well, apart from a few decent songs.
- Panic At the Disco,Taking Back Sunday and Fall Out Baby are the worst bands ever produced. Terrible leadsingers, terrible lyrics, terrible music. Words cannot describe it correctly. This would:
http://www.marxists.org/glossary/people/d/pics/darwin.jpg
(If you don't get it, it's a step down in evolution. Meh.
- Old school music is the shit.70s,80s, even a bit of 60s ; love it.
- Linkin Park is decent.
- Hip Hop is dead now. It's just glorified ghetto kids flaunting money and girls on their videos and rapping about money and girls too. 2Pac wrote songs about his life and they meant something.
- Agree with Villene, Pete Doherty is a genius, and anyone who'd take time out to listen closely to his music would realise that, rather than just reading the Sun and hearing about his drug problems and making their assumptions from there.
- Love Will Tear Us Apart by Joy Division is the greatest song ever written. Every single word means something and so many people can relate to it.
- Although they're a big band (not so much in the USA) The Strokes are still a lot more talented than they get credit for.
- Dance music is shoddy and painful to listen to.
- Elvis was overrated.
Bravoboy
30-06-2006, 08:56
It's very hard to dislike the Strokes though, they appeal to so many of us over here in Britain. But yeah, I feel they don't get as much credit as they should, for releasing one of the most unique debut albums to be made over the last decade. Is This It? will always be in my top 10 albums, no matter what.
Still can't see why people love 'Love Will Tear Us Apart' so much though, it's top of every VH1 singles programme, and I just can't understand why. A very overrated song, yet an underrated band. But that's my opinion.
Still can't see why people love 'Love Will Tear Us Apart' so much though, it's top of every VH1 singles programme, and I just can't understand why. A very overrated song, yet an underrated band. But that's my opinion.
And thats exactly what this thread is about so you're entitled to it.
Love Will Tear Us Apart lyrics are so close to the truth at what happened between me and my ex-girlfriend, thats why i think its so great, but then i always have anyway......
......but yeah, a hugely underrated band, many people only remember them for this one song and they were so much more than that.
R.I.P. Ian Curtis.
The Meat Puppets are a great band
-Some Slipknot and Korn is actually good
Ahaha once again I'm mortally wounded by your rapier wit.
Blur's Think Tank was actually really good if you give it a chance, especially Crazy Beat and Jets.
I don't rate The Strokes at all
Pete Doherty is not a genius as portrayed by NME
Stella Artois
30-06-2006, 10:29
All these new popular Indie bands are only popular as a result of everyone wanting to move away from the pop scene.
It makes me sick to see people who feel as if the music they listen to is “real” music - everyone has a right to listen to what they want to.
Metal isn’t about shouting loudly through a microphone.
The Libertines are shit and Pete Doherty deserves to die.
Metal isn\'t about shouting loudly through a mic.
Fully agree with that.
ACDC are criminally underrated by the majority of new music fans today
I hate how the majority of young un's now think it's cool to be into 'Indie Music' or whatever as it's the thing to do
Pricks
Stella Artois
30-06-2006, 10:36
I love you more now Jonny than ever.
I love you more now Jonny than ever.Didn't think that was possible mate ;)
Stella Artois
30-06-2006, 10:38
This hard-on suggests otherwise.
I hate how the majority of young un's now think it's cool to be into 'Indie Music' or whatever as it's the thing to do
Pricks
There are a lot like that Jonny i agree, but there are also a lot who have a genuine passion for music. In hull there are a stupid number of indie kids, i myself dress as someone you'd probably despise, skinny jeans, scruffy hair, all stars or pointy shoes and scruffy t-shirts. Not because i think i should but because i want to. Like i said i agree to an extent what you're saying as i know a lot of people who are 'scenesters' if you will, who just follow the trends but not everyone who you may think is your stereotypical indie lover is copying styles.
We're practising with our instruments all the time in our band and are hoping for a demo soon, but we dont think we're the average indie band, for a start my brother matt who's the drummer is a chav who's got about 25 tattoos and i've got tattoos too, something you wouldn't expect someone in this scene to have, and people like that cos we're different.
Just don't wanna see people be categorised when its unnecessary, like i've said i know a lot of people who follow the scene and want to keep up and i hope they're the ones you're having a dig at and calling pricks.
There are a lot like that Jonny i agree, but there are also a lot who have a genuine passion for music. In hull there are a stupid number of indie kids, i myself dress as someone you'd probably despise, skinny jeans, scruffy hair, all stars or pointy shoes and scruffy t-shirts. Not because i think i should but because i want to. Like i said i agree to an extent what you're saying as i know a lot of people who are 'scenesters' if you will, who just follow the trends but not everyone who you may think is your stereotypical indie lover is copying styles.
We're practising with our instruments all the time in our band and are hoping for a demo soon, but we dont think we're the average indie band, for a start my brother matt who's the drummer is a chav who's got about 25 tattoos and i've got tattoos too, something you wouldn't expect someone in this scene to have, and people like that cos we're different.
Just don't wanna see people be categorised when its unnecessary, like i've said i know a lot of people who follow the scene and want to keep up and i hope they're the ones you're having a dig at and calling pricks.
I'm not having a dig at people like you mate as it's quite clear you have a huge passion for music
I'm not having a dig at people like you mate as it's quite clear you have a huge passion for music
in that case i fully agree with you. Like i've said there are scenesters and these are the people i dislike too. we drink with the Paddingtons sometimes and although most of the people we see are fans of theirs, they try to dress like them and honestly its sad.
So fully agree with you, hate the fact myself that kids are trying to look like people, like i said i'm sure many people would see me like that but it's the way were are and we always have been, Matt hasn't changed one jot to "fit in" he's still a chav now, spends all his money on stella, smokes and duck and cover gear!
I hate how the majority of young un's now think it's cool to be into 'Indie Music' or whatever as it's the thing to do
Pricks
I know what you mean...I like indie music but i hate the term 'indie'. Indie should mean 'Individual' as in without a label. I hate people saying 'Listen to this band' and later say 'Nah, they've sold out'
:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
What do you think the aim of making music is? Greenday is a perfect example. This is an extract from a friends blog;
The Arctic monkys have bin put down. They are finished now theyve had number 1.
First the subways, now this.
Babyshamble probs next imo
:no: Is that what you were talking about Jonny?
I know what you mean...I like indie music but i hate the term 'indie'. Indie should mean 'Individual' as in without a label. I hate people saying 'Listen to this band' and later say 'Nah, they've sold out'
:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
What do you think the aim of making music is? Greenday is a perfect example. This is an extract from a friends blog;
:no: Is that what you were talking about Jonny?Babyshambles we're never quite there to be considered 'finished' as they've always been fucking gash ;)
ACDC are criminally underrated by the majority of new music fans today
Pricks
Amen and halleluja.
Villene i think i know what you're saying.
A lot of new bands keep coming out with no longevity about them.
A catchy single, then an album, and then nothing.
- Why the fuck have people started calling alternative rock indie?
- The word indie has about as many meanings as the word rock these days.
- The British seem to be the only nationality that can understand Joy Division. When you mention them here, you will probably just get: "What?", and a confused impression.
- The amount of good records realeased in 2006 is alarming?
- I hate it when people that say no good music has been made since the 70s.
It just shows that they don't know shit about music.
- Why do the Brits always turn against their bands after they have hyped them to death. For example Coldplay & Arctic Monkeys.
- Pavement are terribly underrated.
- My Bloody Valentine's Loveless actually is a very good record.
- The Strokes' Is This It might be the best album of 2000s so far.
- The Strokes will never again do an album as good as Is This It.
- Bloc Party's debut album was fantastic, better than 99% of the shit that gets hyped for nothing.
- There really isn't a reason why The Verve & Blur are less rated than Oasis.
- Oasis are (were) a superb band, but no matter how hard it is to realise, they are actually overrated.
- Q magazine. They keep their ass up Radiohead & The Beatles' ass when there is actually new bands coming up.
- NME magazine. They hype a band, and when their album actually is released they give it a 6 because they too realise the band is no better than the stuff that comes from your ass.
- The Stone Roses are overrated.
- XTC is very underrated, which is at the same time very strange.
- People who can't listen to music from different genres are really annoying.
- People who think they know more about hip-hop than anyone else are idiots.
- The Beatles aren't overrated. You shouldn't really ponder if their songs are better than for example some Oasis songs. What you should realise is that the music of today would be very much different if the Beatles had never existed.
Original?
30-06-2006, 11:11
I know what you mean...I like indie music but i hate the term 'indie'. Indie should mean 'Individual' as in without a label.
Perhaps 'Independant' even eh? ;)
The lack of appreciation to Mark Knopfler and Dire Straits needs sorting out
The lack of appreciation to Mark Knopfler and Dire Straits needs sorting out
One of my favourite bands. Amen and haleluja x2
Stella Artois
30-06-2006, 11:13
Block Party are underrated.
Villene, with regards to The Subways i've seen them live more than once and i thought there was something very good about them. Billy had a brilliant stage prescence and the tunes were so catchy. But there's been nothing else from them for a while.
Oh, and I have to mention Razorlight, they're new single is fucking shite compared with tracks from their first album. Got tickets to go see them in October but if 'In The Morning' is anything to go by i hope they play mainly older stuff.
Dragonfly
30-06-2006, 11:13
Oasis have never made a shit album.
Original?
30-06-2006, 11:13
- People who can't listen to music from different genres are really annoying.
I apologize, but while I can listen to Hip-Hop and Rap, I choose not to due to it being rather tiresome and what's the word? Crap. I apologize if this annoys you. ;)
- The Smashing Pumpkins are very under-rated for how good they actually are.
Coldplay are good - at being annoying and flogging the same thing others have done in a non-commercial manner. Waste of time.
Block Party are underrated.
Bloc Party's debut album was fantastic, better than 99% of the shit that gets hyped for nothing.
Totally agree, lyrics mean something in all their songs and thats one of the best debut albums i've ever heard. One of those "I could never get bored of" albums. Absolutely brilliant.
Oasis have never made a shit album.I love dragonfly
Be Here Now...Sit down little boy and go listen to Heathen Chemsitry
I consider Ennio Morricone's scores up there as some of the greatest song's of all time
- Death metal when there's shouting all the way through a song , can't understand a word there saying, is shite and needs to fuck off.
- Ringtones on mobile phones are the reason music, especially in this country, keeps on getting shitter.
- There's way too many Emo bands sounding the same, singing about the same stuff, piss off.
- R & B goes downhill every year.
- Too many Hip Hop songs/artists are the same, only a minority have some meaning to them ( instead of singing bouts ho's, guns, drugs, being a pimp etc)
- Nirvana are overated. They are only considered great because they influenced loads of bands after Cobain died, so in that sense they weren't bad.
Happy Hardcore music is worse than putting your dick over a radiator..... on level 8....
- There aren't enough bands that come out with their own style, just copy whats before them ( thats when i come in!!)
- Being sucessful through quality of music doesn't make you a sell-out.
- Nothing can beat a guitar solo
Be Here Now had 3 songs which i like so maybe shite is a bit strong, i actually like Heathen Chemistry, but once again, not up to ridiculously hihg expectations.
Haddaway is a musical genius
Dragonfly
30-06-2006, 11:26
Be Here Now...
I knew someone was gonna come up with that. Why do think that Villene?
Be Here Now is great!
All the songs on that album are quality. The songs may be on the long side, but that's the only negative.
I knew someone was gonna come up with that. Why do think that Villene?
Be Here Now is great!
All the songs on that album are quality. The songs may be on the long side, but that's the only negative.How many other albums can say Johnny Depp guitared on it?
KURT COBAIN - NIRVANA
TUPAC SHAKUR
AALIYAH
probably sold more albums following their death then when they were alive. Sad really.
Tupac is the classic example there, i'm a big fan of his, always have been and was devastated when he was shot, but he's more known now he's died which is sad.
Another point
- Oasis seem to get some ridiculous criticism. There better than most bands in the world today, other bands that don't get any negatives thrown at them.
My favorite song was on it (D'you Know What I Mean?) butbar a couple of others, i thought it was awful.
Stella Artois
30-06-2006, 11:31
Others think he\'s a moaney twat, but I like Morrissey.
I feel that the Paddingtons are vastly underrated or unknown to the average music fan, but if your a indie/rock fan you probably rate then highly.
Others think he\'s a moaney twat, but I like Morrissey.
I agree. You Have Killed Me is pretty damn good...
123gamer321
30-06-2006, 11:32
- Nothing can beat a guitar solo
I agree with that one!:D
John Frusciante ( RHCP ) is just simply the best. I like RHCP, they have some good songs. I mean they have only good songs:D
I agree with that one!:D
John Frusciante ( RHCP ) is just simply the best. I like RHCP, they have some good songs. I mean they have only good songs:DJohn Frusciante- Murderers :D
I agree with that one!:D
John Frusciante ( RHCP ) is just simply the best. I like RHCP, they have some good songs. I mean they have only good songs:D
Aeroplane + Parallel Universe = Legendary songs.
I feel that the Paddingtons are vastly underrated or unknown to the average music fan, but if your a indie/rock fan you probably rate then highly.
i know them like i said and they don't think they're underrated, Lloyd is the only one with his head screwed on. They've got an arrogance about them but are big in hull so they get away with it.
To be honest they're album is very, very good. I heard some of theire new stuff at a gig at Silouettes and it's not much compared to 'First Comes First'
I apologize, but while I can listen to Hip-Hop and Rap, I choose not to due to it being rather tiresome and what's the word? Crap. I apologize if this annoys you. ;)
- The Smashing Pumpkins are very under-rated for how good they actually are.
Finally found someone else who realises that!! :)
There supposed to be re-uniting soon, hopefully an album out next year sometime.
Dragonfly
30-06-2006, 11:40
My favorite song was on it (D'you Know What I Mean?) butbar a couple of others, i thought it was awful.
:shocking:
Stand By Me
I Hope, I Think, I Know
The Girl In The Dirty Shirt
Don't Go Away
Be Here Now
All Around The World
It's Gettin' Better (Man!!)
Not even these? :shocking:
You probably gonna tell next that you think Pete Doherty is a better song writer than Noel Gallagher :no:
i know them like i said and they don't think they're underrated, Lloyd is the only one with his head screwed on. They've got an arrogance about them but are big in hull so they get away with it.
To be honest they're album is very, very good. I heard some of theire new stuff at a gig at Silouettes and it's not much compared to 'First Comes First'
There album is very good, had it for ages and still havent got bored of it, its class.
Also rate The Rakes extremely highly.
Bravoboy
30-06-2006, 11:43
Jazz, whilst not being a very productive genre, will always be the most important to me.
greenegg
30-06-2006, 11:46
Jazz, whilst not being a very productive genre, will always be the most important to me.
I love Jazz...............magazines aswell
Stand By Me
Don't Go Away
All Around The World
4 songs in the album compared to their normal standards is pretty poor.
:shocking:
Stand By Me
I Hope, I Think, I Know
The Girl In The Dirty Shirt
Don't Go Away
Be Here Now
All Around The World
It's Gettin' Better (Man!!)
Not even these? :shocking:
You probably gonna tell next that you think Pete Doherty is a better song writer than Noel Gallagher :no:Let's not forget Fade In Out with Depp on :happy:
Villene but you think Heathen is amazing so your opinion is invalid :tongue:
123gamer321
30-06-2006, 12:35
From all of your posts nwe can conclude that music is a BIG part of our lives.
Heil Mozart. hahahaha:D
Heathen Chemistry isnt amazing...i think it is their 4th best album.
- Neither of the Gallaghers were particularly great songwriters. They were okay I guess, but when I hear Liam proclaiming himself the greatest songwriter in the world, I can't help but laugh.
- Total agreement with how much the Strokes are under-rated as musicians. The two guitarists, Hammond and Valensi, are incredible. And I think Reptilia is there best song. Followed by Trying Your Luck.
- Nick Drake is criminally underrated as a singer/songwriter/guitarist
- At The Drive-In were one of the best bands of the last decade
- The Mars Volta are more experimental than Led Zepelllin. And Deloused At The Comatorium was one of the most original and detailed concepts for an album ever.
- I like The Paddingtons but I prefer Dirty Pretty Things' cover of Panic Attack. And I think Dirty Pretty Things have proved that Carl's songwriting is very good also, where previously he was always overlooked because of Pete.
wrigh2uk
30-06-2006, 14:26
Most people who talk about music have not the slightest idea where and when to use the terms Over and Under Rated
If eminem was black he'd probably be considered the greatest rapper ever, he'll never get the props he deserves
Redman is an Underated Artist
Biggie is the most Overrated rap artist i've ever heard anyone mention, because after two near flawless, albums people had the nerve to put him alongside the greats.(dead man bandwagoon strikes again)
The fugees where the last of great hip hop groups
The dirty south phase is just pissing me off, when people argue t.i. and other are the king when scarface owned everyones years before the south style was popular.
Premo is the greatest producer in rap ever. full stop
95% of Grime music is boring , similar beats, amature lyricism and hard images
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The fugees where the last of great hip hop groups
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Brilliant. Totally agree with that.....although The Blazin' Squad ran them close :tongue:
Seriosuly though thats 100% true in my eyes, the Fugees were brilliant.
TheAlchemist
30-06-2006, 14:39
Most people who talk about music have not the slightest idea where and when to use the terms Over and Under Rated
If eminem was black he'd probably be considered the greatest rapper ever, he'll never get the props he deserves
Redman is an Underated Artist
Biggie is the most Overrated rap artist i've ever heard anyone mention, because after two near flawless, albums people had the nerve to put him alongside the greats.(dead man bandwagoon strikes again)
The fugees where the last of great hip hop groups
The dirty south phase is just pissing me off, when people argue t.i. and other are the king when scarface owned everyones years before the south style was popular.
Premo is the greatest producer in rap ever. full stop
95% of Grime music is boring , similar beats, amature lyricism and hard images
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:mellow: He IS considerd the greatest rappers. If however he was black would he of had the same amount of success?
The rest I agree with apart from the grime bit.;)
wrigh2uk
30-06-2006, 14:47
:mellow: He IS considerd the greatest rappers. If however he was black would he of had the same amount of success?
The rest I agree with apart from the grime bit.;)
I said GreatTEST, rapper no s :)
hitmanuk2k
30-06-2006, 14:50
Matt Bellamy probably has to have one of the most antagonising voices I have ever heardI have similar problems listening to Creed. His voice annoys me.
- I like The Paddingtons but I prefer Dirty Pretty Things' cover of Panic Attack. And I think Dirty Pretty Things have proved that Carl's songwriting is very good also, where previously he was always overlooked because of Pete.Where does one find said cover? "You and I" by the Paddingtons is a great new track on the old myspace.
- I actually like the new Kelly Clarkson song.
uA - 1905
30-06-2006, 15:14
Kyuss is/was fcuking amazing
So is Karma To Burn
All hail Tool
Phil Anselmo is the greatest metal vocalist ever despite being a twat
Rap is listenable when the rhythm and music is good, otherwise it's crap
%90 of Deftones songs are great, the rest are mediocre
I don't see what Beyonce sees in Jay-Z, that relationship is way beyond my understanding.
Thank god glam is gone.
The theme for Fargo is one of the best movie themes I've ever heard
Josh Homme is the best frontman at the moment.
I don't know what unorthodox means, isn't it something religious?
Josh Homme is the best frontman at the moment.
Maybe not the best but certainly one of. I'm a big fan of QOTSA, Go With The Flow is a brilliant song, excellent video to boot.
I like The Paddingtons but I prefer Dirty Pretty Things' cover of Panic Attack. And I think Dirty Pretty Things have proved that Carl's songwriting is very good also, where previously he was always overlooked because of Pete.
Yeah, as Hitman said, where can we find this cover? I wasn't aware one had been done? Was it recorded or just a gig thing?
If eminem was black he'd probably be considered the greatest rapper ever, he'll never get the props he deserves
Or maybe if he was black none of us would have heard of him? All I know is that Dre has always been a good businessman.
Redman is an Underated Artist
I think he is rated as much as he should be.
Biggie is the most Overrated rap artist i've ever heard anyone mention, because after two near flawless, albums people had the nerve to put him alongside the greats.(dead man bandwagoon strikes again)
I tought you previously said people don't know when to use over/underrated, but you're actually doing the same.
Keep in mind that Biggie never released any other than those two albums. And releasing a second album like Life After Death isn't easy, even for a very gifted artist. Go ask Nas.
I myself consider Biggie one of the best. The most significant thing about him is not his albums or songs, but the heritage he left to other rappers with his style. When you listen to Biggie and compare him to some of the artists of today, you'll see how much ahead of his time he was.
The dirty south phase is just pissing me off, when people argue t.i. and other are the king when scarface owned everyones years before the south style was popular.
Most of the dirty south shit released in the last two years has been rank. Anyway, I'd recommend you not to mix T.I. in there, as he actually is a talented rapper. He is not yet there with Outkast, Scarface and some of the other south legends, but he is still miles ahead of Paul Wall, Mike Jones, Three 6 Mafia and co.
Premo is the greatest producer in rap ever. full stop
That can be argued, but I recognise him as one of the best producers ever.
hitmanuk2k
30-06-2006, 15:38
I have now discovered it was done as part of DPT's Napster Live session.
And wow, it really is rather awesome.
wrigh2uk
30-06-2006, 16:00
Or maybe if he was black none of us would have heard of him? All I know is that Dre has always been a good businessman.
I think he is rated as much as he should be.
I tought you previously said people don't know when to use over/underrated, but you're actually doing the same.
Keep in mind that Biggie never released any other than those two albums. And releasing a second album like Life After Death isn't easy, even for a very gifted artist. Go ask Nas.
I myself consider Biggie one of the best. The most significant thing about him is not his albums or songs, but the heritage he left to other rappers with his style. When you listen to Biggie and compare him to some of the artists of today, you'll see how much ahead of his time he was.
Most of the dirty south shit released in the last two years has been rank. Anyway, I'd recommend you not to mix T.I. in there, as he actually is a talented rapper. He is not yet there with Outkast, Scarface and some of the other south legends, but he is still miles ahead of Paul Wall, Mike Jones, Three 6 Mafia and co.
That can be argued, but I recognise him as one of the best producers ever.
I Jus ask you consider Biggie Up there with legends such as
Rakim - remoulded rap
KRS One - What do i have to say about this guy
Run DMC - Redfine rap
2Pac - Rap with a soul
Dr Dre - A succesful survivor
Biggie - For what i say 2 albums ?
Consistancy makes legends the ability to produce high standing material again and again. i'm not saying every album has to be a classic but atleast a strong release or very very decent!!!. Automatically when an artist dies sales increase so to release a 2nd album after you die like biggie did is pure genius.
But i do get what your saying and in that case he'd be more of a hip hop legend rather than a rap one.
Paul wall and etc suck when i say other i mean people like Chamillionaire and luda. Luda also pisses over T.I but thats another tale.
I should mix T.I because people proclaim this guy to be the king. When the rightful king is scarface and T.I has alot to do to compare to this guy. Scarface was a rapper who again released high quality material each time. You find a track were scarface was rapping about bullshit on, its a very rare thing lemme tell you.
Listen to redmans albums, ALL OF THEM not just the commerical tracks. His flow is insane, lyrical hes sharp. Its just people look at him abit of a clown after how high etc. Plus that song with Aguliera didn't doo much help
You put a black face to eminem lyrcisim and word play skills and you'd have the best technical rapper alive. This is no lie i bet you, Look at all em's collabs with the greats and hes upstaged everyone of them when hes collaberated with them . Even on Biggies dead wrong, to 2pac ft eminem on ghost. Guy was black he'd be considered the best there ever was, Rakim even said the same thing.
Premos is :( lol
Look were the tracks have been
Nas - Illmatic (1994) (3 tracks)
The Notorious B.I.G. - Ready to Die (1994) (1 track)
Crooklyn Dodgers - Clockers Soundtrack (1995) (1 track)
Guru - Jazzmatazz, Vol. II: The New Reality (1995) (1 track)
Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt (1996) (3 tracks)
Nas - It Was Written (1996) (1 tracks)
M.O.P. - Firing Squad (1996) (7 tracks)
The Notorious B.I.G. - Life After Death (1997) (2 tracks)
Buckshot Lefonque - Music Evolution (1997) (8 tracks)
Rakim - The 18th Letter (1997) (2 tracks)
M.O.P. - First Family 4 Life (1998) (5 tracks)
All City - Metropolis Gold (1998) (1 track)
Nas - I Am... (1999) (2 tracks)
Mos Def - Black on Both Sides (1999) (1 track)
Freddie Foxxx - Industry Shakedown (2000) (2 tracks)
M.O.P. - Warriorz (2000) (5 tracks)
Big L - The Big Picture (2000) (3 tracks)
Afu-Ra - Body of the Life Force (2000) (5 tracks)
Nas - Stillmatic (2001) (1 track)
Pitch Black - Pitch Black Law (2004) (2 tracks)
Royce Da 5'9" - Death is Certain (2004) (1 track)
MC Lyte - Wonder Years 2005
Christina Aguilera - Back to Basics 2006
Nas - Hip-Hop is Dead (2006)
I have now discovered it was done as part of DPT's Napster Live session.
And wow, it really is rather awesome.
Hitman i can't get to it cos i'm online at work and stupid company policy garbage won't let me access it. I can make the journey to my old dears house and skank it from her computer but is it worth doing this?
i.e. just how good is the song?
Gun_Runner
30-06-2006, 17:05
I used to think Biggie was overrated, mainly because he doesnt have a lot of material,. but when you listen to songs like Juicy, 1970 Somethin', Hypnotize etc...you realise just how good he was, I still prefer 2Pac though.
hitmanuk2k
30-06-2006, 17:56
Hitman i can't get to it cos i'm online at work and stupid company policy garbage won't let me access it. I can make the journey to my old dears house and skank it from her computer but is it worth doing this?
i.e. just how good is the song?Well it's not going to change your life but it sounds quite nice.
- Neither of the Gallaghers were particularly great songwriters. They were okay I guess, but when I hear Liam proclaiming himself the greatest songwriter in the world, I can't help but laugh.
Noel Gallagher clearly is a brillant songwriter and in particular alot of his earlier work which a full generation could quite clearly relate too
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If eminem was black he'd probably be considered the greatest rapper ever, he'll never get the props he deserves
The complete opposite. He has gained fame and credibility off his skin colour alone. Royce Da 5'9 for an instance, is a rapper who I believe is better than Eminem and always has been, but hasn't got close to his status due to not sharing the same skin colour.
Biggie is the most Overrated rap artist i've ever heard anyone mention, because after two near flawless, albums people had the nerve to put him alongside the greats.(dead man bandwagoon strikes again)
You contradicted yourself. You just labelled his 2 albums ''near flawless'', producing 2 classic albums back-to-back gains you that label of ''greatness''. Deservedly so he is.
hitmanuk2k
30-06-2006, 20:00
alotPardon?
Kanye West is a musical genius, regardless if he samples or not. His music, which at times can be scandalous is still creative and combats modern day issues effectively. Whether it's questioning how we turn a blind eye to the Blood Diamonds of Seirra Leone issue, rapping about Jesus and Gold Diggers. He is an artist of great importance to the current music world.
The majority of those who show animosity towards him, don't base their opinions on his music, but his apparent public persona. Fair enough, keep reading The Sun.
While the rest hate him because he samples music, as if that was ever a crime or decreases the quality or creativity part of producing a song. Sampling is a skill in it's own and a majority of the artists he samples some haven't ever heard of or knew existed. So not only is he giving that sampled artist the admiration they may have never received during their careers, he is also making ageless music.
wrigh2uk
30-06-2006, 21:46
The complete opposite. He has gained fame and credibility off his skin colour alone. Royce Da 5'9 for an instance, is a rapper who I believe is better than Eminem and always has been, but hasn't got close to his status due to not sharing the same skin colour.
You contradicted yourself. You just labelled his 2 albums ''near flawless'', producing 2 classic albums back-to-back gains you that label of ''greatness''. Deservedly so he is.
Times changed dude, two produce 2 classic albums back to back in the 90's side of things was alot easier than it is now. if royce would have dropped death is certain back then it would have been an instant classic!!. Back then you could release two lyrically strong albums with no party tracks and it would sell nicely. Now things have changed record excutives have changed the industry has. Biggie would have changed like everyone style changed. I would have liked to have seen how biggie would have handled things in this era of rap, especially with puff pointing the direction. Nas has struggled in the new era of rap etc. if biggie could have done more albums of that quality or around that, then fine i'd put him up there.
Meh the kanye thing its his arrogance that does it, hes still a great producer.
- Green Day are way too much overrated. They are not that good.
Times changed dude, two produce 2 classic albums back to back in the 90's side of things was alot easier than it is now. if royce would have dropped death is certain back then it would have been an instant classic!!. Back then you could release two lyrically strong albums with no party tracks and it would sell nicely. Now things have changed record excutives have changed the industry has. Biggie would have changed like everyone style changed. I would have liked to have seen how biggie would have handled things in this era of rap, especially with puff pointing the direction. Nas has struggled in the new era of rap etc. if biggie could have done more albums of that quality or around that, then fine i'd put him up there.
Meh the kanye thing its his arrogance that does it, hes still a great producer.After Illmatic Nas struggled in the old era of rap so that excuse if flawed
Tigermen
01-07-2006, 01:53
The lack of appreciation to Mark Knopfler and Dire Straits needs sorting out
If 95% of the praise which is heaped upon Eric Clapton was instead given to Mr Knopfler, then things would be much more just. Though don't forget Jonny, Dire Straits were probabaly the biggest stadium act in the 1980s. I think they did 5 nights straight at Wembley Arena, which is pretty mindblowing when you think about it.
Tigermen
01-07-2006, 02:03
Most people who talk about music have not the slightest idea where and when to use the terms Over and Under Rated
If eminem was black he'd probably be considered the greatest rapper ever, he'll never get the props he deserves
Redman is an Underated Artist
Biggie is the most Overrated rap artist i've ever heard anyone mention, because after two near flawless, albums people had the nerve to put him alongside the greats.(dead man bandwagoon strikes again)
The fugees where the last of great hip hop groups
The dirty south phase is just pissing me off, when people argue t.i. and other are the king when scarface owned everyones years before the south style was popular.
Premo is the greatest producer in rap ever. full stop
95% of Grime music is boring , similar beats, amature lyricism and hard images
.
I fully agree with you about Biggie, which is why it confuses me a little bit that you kind of do the opposite with the fugees. With Biggie you said "two flawless albums" but went on to kind of dismiss him. But the Fugees have only done one album, and you call them great. Is this because they're a group, and you don't consider that any great hip-hop groups have come since the fugees, whereas biggie's competition amongst solo mc's is a lot more stiff?
There have been many great groups since the fugees, I'm thinking Little Brother, Hieroglyphics and the like, but none of them have really crossed over the way the Fugees did. Indeed they showed that crossing over needn't automatically equate with selling out, which in the hip hop world especially is some achievement.
Another controversial opinion - I have no idea why Jay Z is always mentioned when the topic of GOAT is brought up. He's a good rapper, but I just don't get why he is hero worshipped. His voice bores me shitless, he bites biggie way too much (see the spoof track "I'm a biter not a writer") and just doesn't bring anything special to the table for me. I remember when I first hear "one mic" by Nas and my jaw just dropped. I've never come close to feeling like that when listening to Jigga.
I also think that Sean Paul wouldn't sound out of place in a special school for retarded children. He irkes me.
wrigh2uk
02-07-2006, 13:53
After Illmatic Nas struggled in the old era of rap so that excuse if flawed
Nah thats your opinion stillmatic was a good release none were as good as illmatic though or close. But when your first album is considered the best rap album of all time its kind of hard to top;)
wrigh2uk
02-07-2006, 13:56
I fully agree with you about Biggie, which is why it confuses me a little bit that you kind of do the opposite with the fugees. With Biggie you said "two flawless albums" but went on to kind of dismiss him. But the Fugees have only done one album, and you call them great. Is this because they're a group, and you don't consider that any great hip-hop groups have come since the fugees, whereas biggie's competition amongst solo mc's is a lot more stiff?
There have been many great groups since the fugees, I'm thinking Little Brother, Hieroglyphics and the like, but none of them have really crossed over the way the Fugees did. Indeed they showed that crossing over needn't automatically equate with selling out, which in the hip hop world especially is some achievement.
Another controversial opinion - I have no idea why Jay Z is always mentioned when the topic of GOAT is brought up. He's a good rapper, but I just don't get why he is hero worshipped. His voice bores me shitless, he bites biggie way too much (see the spoof track "I'm a biter not a writer") and just doesn't bring anything special to the table for me. I remember when I first hear "one mic" by Nas and my jaw just dropped. I've never come close to feeling like that when listening to Jigga.
I also think that Sean Paul wouldn't sound out of place in a special school for retarded children. He irkes me.
I meant as a group, i hear alot of fugees tracks before they blew though and followed them for awhile. I said flawless because i didn't want people to think i don't appreciate the albums he made
Most people who talk about music have not the slightest idea where and when to use the terms Over and Under Rated
If eminem was black he'd probably be considered the greatest rapper ever, he'll never get the props he deserves
Redman is an Underated Artist
Biggie is the most Overrated rap artist i've ever heard anyone mention, because after two near flawless, albums people had the nerve to put him alongside the greats.(dead man bandwagoon strikes again)
The fugees where the last of great hip hop groups
The dirty south phase is just pissing me off, when people argue t.i. and other are the king when scarface owned everyones years before the south style was popular.
Premo is the greatest producer in rap ever. full stop
95% of Grime music is boring , similar beats, amature lyricism and hard images
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I definatly agree with what you said about Eminem
I understand what you are saying about the dirty south and i agree that scarface is king of the south but Scarface is not the rap game anymore so it is time for someone to step up to the plate
Nah thats your opinion stillmatic was a good release none were as good as illmatic though or close. But when your first album is considered the best rap album of all time its kind of hard to top;)In the old era i said....
And how many did he release between those two?
svendust
02-07-2006, 20:39
ACDC are criminally underrated by the majority of new music fans today
I love AC/DC. The early stuff they did is awesome, just a shame Bon Scott went and OD'd, or drank himself to death or whatever. 'Problem Child' and 'Riff Raff' are my fav too. Although they've made a couple of decent songs since Back in Black most of it is really poor, I like 'thunderstrtuck' though.
Haddaway is a musical genius
Haha! Damn straight :D
The Darkness - They are actually not crap, they're fun, a lot of people liked them until it became fashionable not to like them. They're nothing spectacular but they hardly take themselves seriously so maybe others shouldn't.
I was gonna make that point, didn't expect it to come from you. I've liked them from the start and refused to stop liking them because people who knew shit about music said they were ripping off queen and ac/dc and whoever else and that made them look uncool. They don't take themselves too seriously but that doesn't mean they don't make decent music. I'm not saying they're as good as Queen or AC/DC though as they're clearly not.
- I hate James Blunt and all the other talentless singer/songwriters that are coming out nowadays that appeal to all the mums and dads out there that listen to any old shit and think it's good
- I like Black Sabbath but I'm not depressed, i.e. don't always believe the stereotypes in music
- I like a band/singer for their music not because everyone else likes them or because they have a good reputation. And I don't care if everyone else hates them (Fallout Boy) or if the lead singer is a complete twat (G'n'R), it's all about the music for me.
-I hate people who don't like music beacuse it has been heard by more than 10 people (slight exaggeration but you know what I mean), the sort of people who spend all their money going to every festival and gig around so that they can say they like Sigur Ros a month before anyone else has heard of them
-Everyone likes Bob Marley
-Lost Prophets rock, yet like muse although they've been around ages, they're not really that recognised as great British bands
-Micheal Jackson actually made some decent music
-Motorhead are one of the best metal bands ever and, how the fuck are they still alive and still touring?
-I don't get Trivium
-Why aren't the White Stripes more popular, I think they're really good but haven't met anyone who agrees, at least not to the level I do
-Wolfmother are the best new band of the year
Ok I'm done
- Michel Gondry is a genius, and the best music video director around at the moment
wrigh2uk
02-07-2006, 21:56
In the old era i said....
And how many did he release between those two?
3 or 4 if you include the firm
Michael made great music, far from decent mate @ svendust
Definitely Maybe
03-07-2006, 00:44
Couldnt be arsed to read the full thread, but I agreed with most of Jonny's. Anyway:
- The Smith's are bland as shite and Morrisey is a tosser. How soon is now is a brilliant song, but the rest is dull as dishwater. And the majority of Mozza fans are twunks anarl.
- Kelly Clarkson is class (Im being serious)
- Alot of Ian Brown's solo work is actually better than the Roses
- Cant get into Radiohead either. As much as I try, it just sounds boring and depressing. Same with Pink Floyd, although Wish You Were Here is a good album and a class song.
- All these latest indie bands, bar Kasabian, the Arctic Monkeys, Arcade Fire and the Libertines are absolutely shite. Well not shite, they just dont offer anything different. Like Razorlight for example - 4 good songs, the rest complete dross, and theyre meant to be one of the better ones.
- The Killers and the Kaiser Chiefs are two of the worst bands of the last 10 years.
Thats all for now
I still maintain this needs to be purchased by all....
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/9567/b000001flx01ss500sclzzzzzzzv11 .jpg
Iggy Pop is the best frontman ever, and Raw Power is one of rock music's greatest moments (second part's not really unorthodox, though).
nath_scfc
03-07-2006, 13:53
Dunno if this is particularly unorthadox, but Word Gets Around is the best Stereophonics album ever. When people talk about their first one, they usually haven't realised that they released this before P&C. It's a pity because it's one of my all-time favourite albums too.
Oh, and Johnny Borrell is a fuck-wit.
agree with Nath, Johnny Borrell is an egotistical cunt.
And HARD TO EXPLAIN is the best song the Strokes have ever done.
Bravoboy
03-07-2006, 14:00
Yes, or Someday.
Yes, Johnny Borrell is a twat-face.
Yes, Pink Floyd give me the same dull vibe as Radiohead, DM - but I like a few of Pink Floyd's songs.
And finally, yes - The Killers and Kaiser Chiefs are/were both shite.
After 7 months of deliberating. It's safe to say that Lupe Fiasco's ''Kick, Push'', is the greatest song ever made. No question.
Superb beat, superb writting, super metaphor for life itself, all in all just pure perfection.
And finally, yes - The Killers and Kaiser Chiefs are/were both shite.
Wash your mouth out with a brilo pad! They are brilliant, especially in concert.
Lostprophets are my favourite band but after watching the Rooftops video, Ian Watkins just looks like a poser, compared to his former self where he looked the part, the white leather jackets, a mean...come on!
Bravoboy
05-07-2006, 18:53
Wash your mouth out with a brilo pad! They are brilliant, especially in concert.
I'll let you learn to quote a post first! :tongue:
I've seen both of them live anyway, saw both in 2004, neither of them were terribly brilliant, in my opinion.
Yeah, I've seen The Killers live and they were wank, just played straight through the album in order, and none of them seemed particularly interested in doing anything entertaining other than standing there.
Though I saw them at the same festival as the Pixies, The White Stripes, and Interpol, so they were bound to be poor by comparison.
Dr. Bob Kelso
22-07-2006, 16:03
This song contains the best lyric ever....
"I can bring whole cities to ruin and still have time to get a soft shoe in"
By the way that is the cat doing the dancing. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLyK1YhoGsQ&search=buffy%20musical
Turin Brakes are ghastly under-rated. Thy're brilliant songwriters.
The Arctic Monkeys are average at best.
Pete Doherty is also average.
I can't seem to get into most bands recently with a few exceptions(The Zutons, The Coral etc). Most sound like 80's throwbacks.
Beck is a brilliant and original songwriter.
Turin Brakes are ghastly under-rated. Thy're brilliant songwriters.
The Arctic Monkeys are average at best.
Pete Doherty is also average.
I can't seem to get into most bands recently with a few exceptions(The Zutons, The Coral etc). Most sound like 80's throwbacks.
Beck is a brilliant and original songwriter.
I always thought the Arctic Monkey's made one song and then copied it to fill the album.
The Simple Minds are underrated. They made some quality songs over the years.
Most people who talk about music have not the slightest idea where and when to use the terms Over and Under Rated
You can use them anywhere you wont, because they're meaningless terms.
If eminem was black he'd probably be considered the greatest rapper ever, he'll never get the props he deserves
True.
Redman is an Underated Artist
Very true. Blackout was my shit, and Blackout 2 too.
Biggie is the most Overrated rap artist i've ever heard anyone mention, because after two near flawless, albums people had the nerve to put him alongside the greats.(dead man bandwagoon strikes again)
Get outta here.
The fugees where the last of great hip hop groups
Whaaaaaat
The dirty south phase is just pissing me off, when people argue t.i. and other are the king when scarface owned everyones years before the south style was popular.
True... but Scarface was wack too.
Premo is the greatest producer in rap ever. full stop
Probably true.
95% of Grime music is boring , similar beats, amature lyricism and hard images
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95% of music is boring.
Ok now it's my turn.
Indie rock music is on the whole, one of the most unoriginal and repetitive genres.
The Libertines were an alright band.
Pete Doherty isn't a particularly good/insightful songwriter.
Knophler should be mentioned in the same breath as Vai and Hendrix when talking about the greatest guitarists of all time.
Rory Gallagher is the greatest guitarist of all time.
Listening to Dark Side of the Moon in it's entirety, through a good sound system, whilst absoloutley wasted is something that every kid should do once in their life.
The Rolling Stones were nowhere near as good as Pink Floyd or The Beatles.
The Eagles were a brilliant band.
Ry Cooder was ace.
Infected Mushroom are mega.
I wish the Hacienda was still open.
Madchester was far better than the indie bands that preceeded (and followed).
The Kaiser Chiefs, Babyshambles, Dirty Pretty Things, The Killers, Kasabian and all the other bands of similar ilk might as well be one generic, repetitive indie band.
I always thought the Arctic Monkey's made one song and then copied it to fill the album.
The Simple Minds are underrated. They made some quality songs over the years.
Don't you forget about me...... barry ;)
Indie music is on the whole, one of the most unoriginal and repetitive genres.
Who can say they really know what indie is these days? It's one of those words that really pop in everywhere, but really don't have a lot of meaning.
Who can say they really know what indie is these days? It's one of those words that really pop in everywhere, but really don't have a lot of meaning.
Perhaps I should have been more specific, it's ludicros to say that indie music is generic, I was reffering more to the new wave of UK indie rock.
Kanye West is a musical genius, regardless if he samples or not. His music, which at times can be scandalous is still creative and combats modern day issues effectively. Whether it's questioning how we turn a blind eye to the Blood Diamonds of Seirra Leone issue, rapping about Jesus and Gold Diggers. He is an artist of great importance to the current music world.
The majority of those who show animosity towards him, don't base their opinions on his music, but his apparent public persona. Fair enough, keep reading The Sun.
While the rest hate him because he samples music, as if that was ever a crime or decreases the quality or creativity part of producing a song. Sampling is a skill in it's own and a majority of the artists he samples some haven't ever heard of or knew existed. So not only is he giving that sampled artist the admiration they may have never received during their careers, he is also making ageless music.
Great post. And some people that hate Kanye for sampling tracks just go on and on about Premo being the best producer ever (okay, he probably is, but you get the point).
If anyone dislikes Kanye, I think it's okay because he has a tendency to be an arrogant prick at times. But his music is genious, everyone in their right mind should recognise that.
I Jus ask you consider Biggie Up there with legends such as
Rakim - remoulded rap
KRS One - What do i have to say about this guy
Run DMC - Redfine rap
2Pac - Rap with a soul
Dr Dre - A succesful survivor
Biggie - For what i say 2 albums ?
Yes, I think he should be up there with those guys. Biggie is the rapper that has had the biggest effect on today's style of rapping.
When it comes to 2Pac, pretty much the same applies to him as applies to Biggie. Both of them became larger than life after their deaths. Prior to his death, 2Pac released four albums: two masterpieces, one good album, and one average album. I think that makes him about as good as Biggie?
I'm not sure if you are saying that Dr. Dre should be there as an MC or just as a very important person in hip-hop. As an MC Dre has never really made a big impact.
Turin Brakes are ghastly under-rated. Thy're brilliant songwriters
very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very true.
When it comes to 2Pac, pretty much the same applies to him as applies to Biggie. Both of them became larger than life after their deaths. Prior to his death, 2Pac released four albums: two masterpieces, one good album, and one average album. I think that makes him about as good as Biggie?
I think it's a fucking travesty that people like 2Pac, Biggie and Aaliyah sold more records after their deaths.
Look at Aaliyah - More Than A Woman, went straight in at number 1 about 2 weeks after she'd died, if she was still around it'd probably have just made top 20, i think it's a fucking joke that people that talented are only properley recognised after death :no:
I think it's a fucking travesty that people like 2Pac, Biggie and Aaliyah sold more records after their deaths.
2Pac & Biggie both had several number one's combined between them when they were both alive.
Don't you forget about me...... barry ;)
How could I forget about you? ;)
I don't think the deaths of Pac and Biggie really effected the popularity of their music as much as it effected the popularity of themselves.
The whole dying thing worked brilliantly for Tupac and Biggie, why didn't it work so well in the case of Big Pun and Big L?
Big Pun in particular, he was an awesome lyricist and had an incredible flow. I thought he was almost certain to become the next big, dead thing. Never really happened though. Damnit.
2Pac & Biggie both had several number one's combined between them when they were both alive.
in the UK? No. Tupac's only number one was that shite with Elton John, that was 9 years after he died.
And if my memory is correct Biggie's only number one was Nasty Girl i think, and that was recent, this year anyway.
When did either of them have No.1's before this?
very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very true.
You a fan then? I've been to see them 3 times. Superb live as well.
The whole dying thing worked brilliantly for Tupac and Biggie, why didn't it work so well in the case of Big Pun and Big L?
Big Pun in particular, he was an awesome lyricist and had an incredible flow. I thought he was almost certain to become the next big, dead thing. Never really happened though. Damnit.
Pun's the greatest dead rapper, without a doubt.
in the UK? No. Tupac's only number one was that shite with Elton John, that was 9 years after he died.
And if my memory is correct Biggie's only number one was Nasty Girl i think, and that was recent, this year anyway.
When did either of them have No.1's before this?
They had numerous number ones in the USA.
2Pac:
Singles:
California Love (1996)
How Do You Want It (1996)
Albums:
Me Against The World (1995) (2 times platinum in US)
All Eyez On Me (1996) (9 times platinum in Us)
The Notorious B.I.G.:
Singles:
Hypnotize (1997)
Mo Money, Mo Problems (1997)
Albums:
Life After Death (1997)
Pac's Changes was No.1 for several weeks over here at the time of its release wasn't it ? That aside, charts and No.1's are fairly meaningless in today's Hip-Hop in terms of quality anyway.
Its a shame Big L never got the exposure he deserved, he lacked albums like Biggie but hardly their faults now is it ? Can't set them back from the GOAT lists due to it. Big L though was a genius in my mind as I believe many others believe. Flow was crazy, punchlines, comedy, rawness he shined. Especially on Lifestylz of da Poor and Dangerous which is a classic no doubt.
Dragonfly
25-07-2006, 18:29
Keane are an excellent band!
in the UK? No. Tupac's only number one was that shite with Elton John, that was 9 years after he died.
And if my memory is correct Biggie's only number one was Nasty Girl i think, and that was recent, this year anyway.
When did either of them have No.1's before this?Come back Ads when you've had a look at how much All Eyez On Me, Me Against The World & Ready 2 Die sold.
The amount of Number 1's don't measure the greatness of an artist though.
Dragonfly
25-07-2006, 18:51
The amount of Number 1's don't measure the greatness of an artist though.
Look at Radiohead and The Smiths for proof.
The amount of Number 1's don't measure the greatness of an artist though.It doesn't no, but the way Ads is talking is that 2Pac and Biggie were just a bunch of MC's rapping in clubs before they died.
Aye, it wasn't aimed at you but more towards one of ads' earlier comments.
The amount of Number 1's don't measure the greatness of an artist though.
Absolutely true. Most of the great bands, especially after the 70s never made the number 1 spot.
It doesn't no, but the way Ads is talking is that 2Pac and Biggie were just a bunch of MC's rapping in clubs before they died.
I wasn't saying that at all. I'd heard of both of them and liked what they did before their deaths. All i'm saying is when I was buying albums etc when they were alive they didn't reach anywhere near the popularity they would now, that was my point.
That it's a shame their popularity has risen after death and the new songs (that have been mixed to fuck against poppy backgrounds and Elton John samples) are more popular than the ones Tupac / Biggie had a say on how they were produced.
I'm fully aware of how big they were in the US, that was never my point here. In the UK I was talking about.
If anyone dislikes Kanye, I think it's okay because he has a tendency to be an arrogant prick at times. But his music is genious, everyone in their right mind should recognise that..
Kanye West may be a good producer but, apart from being extremely arrogant, he cannot rap for shit.
Did you see him pick up his Grammy? What a fool he made of himself.
He isn't anywhere near the level that Immortal Technique is at (very few are), and as far as production goes, IMHO, Stoupe, The Enemy of Mankind, is far superior.
It really pisses me off me when guys like Kanye pick up awards and there are much better artists and performers working underground.
TheAlchemist
01-08-2006, 16:29
Kanye West may be a good producer but, apart from being extremely arrogant, he cannot rap for shit.
Did you see him pick up his Grammy? What a fool he made of himself.
He isn't anywhere near the level that Immortal Technique is at (very few are), and as far as production goes, IMHO, Stoupe, The Enemy of Mankind, is far superior.
It really pisses me off me when guys like Kanye pick up awards and there are much better artists and performers working underground.
Thats the thing, if they're underground then they won't get the same amount of recognition of Kanye West.
Ofcourse underground rappers will not get any recognition because they are unknown to the public. Most underground rappers I know are much better than rappers you see on TV
Kanye West may be a good producer but, apart from being extremely arrogant, he cannot rap for shit.
Did you see him pick up his Grammy? What a fool he made of himself.
He isn't anywhere near the level that Immortal Technique is at (very few are), and as far as production goes, IMHO, Stoupe, The Enemy of Mankind, is far superior.
It really pisses me off me when guys like Kanye pick up awards and there are much better artists and performers working underground.
You're right for the most part there mate, but I'm still a fan of Kanye's music, no matter how much of a dick he is. And he is still one of the smarter mainstream rappers. I haven't seen the Grammy ceremony, but you can except anything from this guy.
Anyways, it always takes a lot of luck to get to the mainstream, and there are always artists that don't get the praise they deserve.
I'm glad to see 9th Wonder has gotten recognition, he is a really great producer.
kallem28
03-08-2006, 05:32
- No other singer/songwriter has even come close to match Jeff Buckley, for both vocal and songwriting talent. And, where death normally makes people out to be better than they actually ever were (i.e. Cobain) I think Buckley's death had the opposite effect. I think he'd have got even bigger if he'd stayed alive.
Chris Cornell, one of the finest! Has great talent and even greater voice, he can hit all the notes with massive force!
TheAlchemist
28-11-2009, 01:40
808 & Heartbreaks is Fantastic
As was T-Pains Album
Empire State of mind is nothing special
Rihanna can't sing
Where are you finding these threads man? Good ones though. I have to agree with 808s & Heartbreak, I was also told he did it 3 weeks too.
TheAlchemist
28-11-2009, 02:15
Just checking, my old posts ansd that (some of witch are pretty embarrasing).
808s got too much hate. People were probably expecting Kanye to come with the
college dropout sound.
muscularmatt
11-12-2009, 00:15
Blur > Oasis
FlagHippo
22-02-2010, 21:32
808 & Heartbreaks is Fantastic
As was T-Pains Album
Empire State of mind is nothing special
Rihanna can't sing
Yep, I agree, though I really quite like Empire State of Mind (though it is fair to say it isn't anything special...) :unsure:
I hate Empire State of Mind.
Do you mean MGMT?
Edit: Oh how silly of me! They are, in fact, a totally different band!
I can't believe I would get the two confused tbh.
I hate Empire State of Mind.
I'll pretend I didn't hear that. Well not hear it I mean see that.
Mjällharth
22-02-2010, 21:58
On the contrary to some posts preceding that of mine on this thread, I quite like Empire State of Mind, quite strongly.
Since we're dealing with "unorthodox music opinions" here, my two cents:
*The Rolling Stones are nothing special, indeed I hear but cacophony when I listen to their works.
*2Pac and The Notorious B.I.G. are quite notoriously overrated, I'll never understand how they're being spoken of as the absolute highest echelon of hip-hop (no disrespect and I'm not doubting their influence one bit)
*Chuck Berry > Elvis Presley
The statements might be Captain Obvious, but I'm not sure.
I'll pretend I didn't hear that. Well not hear it I mean see that.
It's massively overrated, hugely overplayed and very annoying.
Some more unorthodoxy:
The 1960s was the best decade for music.
I like almost no hip-hop of the past decade.
(One for those of you who listen to classical music) Schoenberg was a genius.
Elliott Smith > Jeff Buckley.
This may cause some people to cry or get a angry but.
Gorillaz > Blur
In terms of Damon Albarn's songwriting, I find Gorillaz much more of an enjoyable experience to listen to.
nath_scfc
23-02-2010, 14:10
Do you mean MGMT?
Edit: Oh how silly of me! They are, in fact, a totally different band!
I can't believe I would get the two confused tbh.
Are you thinking of Empire of the Sun, the Australian band, rather than the Jay-Z song?
Original?
23-02-2010, 14:21
Je Crois Entendre Encore from Bizet's The Pearl Fishers performed by Alain Vanzo is better than any piece of music mentioned in this thread thus far.
BarnDoor
23-02-2010, 14:28
Original nothing beats Au fond du temple saint and you know it.
Original?
23-02-2010, 14:31
Original nothing beats Au fond du temple saint and you know it.
I'm listening to it as we speak, performed by Jussi Bjoerling and Robert Merrill. It's close and it beats any other version of Je Crois Entendre Encore but Vanzo's voice is unbelievable. :crymore:
BarnDoor
23-02-2010, 14:35
I quite like the version by these fat cunts called the Tenaglia brothers (or suchlike). It's short but you can see it on YouTube. Not the best but I like it.
Je Crois Entendre Encore from Bizet's The Pearl Fishers performed by Alain Vanzo is better than any piece of music mentioned in this thread thus far.
Always preferred Placido's personally.
Original?
23-02-2010, 15:05
Always preferred Placido's personally.
That's because you're tone deaf. ;)
Placido's is good but generic. Vanzo is in a league of his own, have you actually heard his version or do you just mean Placido's is your favourite?
I've heard it but that was a few years ago. I'll go listen and come back to tell you what I think.
Ok, go ahead and disregard my post. That was absolutely beautiful. Much better than I remembered. Voix tendre et sonore indeed!
Original?
23-02-2010, 16:05
Ok, go ahead and disregard my post. That was absolutely beautiful. Much better than I remembered. Voix tendre et sonore indeed!
Indeed, I haven't heard anyone else sing it the same way as he does. When Placido sings it, and other tenors, it sounds like any other good aria. When Vanzo sings it, I can't think of anything to compare!
Jonno394
23-02-2010, 16:25
You cannot deny the beauty of music such as this. I know they are 'classics' per se, and most people will know them, but I thought i'd join in =]
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Something slightly unconventional, but I enjoy it =]
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BarnDoor
23-02-2010, 16:59
Surely fondness for classical/opera music should not be considered 'unorthodox'? I don't think we should turn this into let's wank off over such music thread.
Jonno394
23-02-2010, 17:07
In todays world of gangsta rap, chav music and manufactured acts, I do feel that the amount of people who appreciate true music is declining.
BarnDoor
23-02-2010, 17:26
Well look neither of us are true connoisseurs of classical/opera. And I've heard you listening to 'urban' shit.
ABBA is pretty good, certainly production wise it is among the better that pop music has to offer.
There you have it!
I don't think you can question ABBA. I still hear influences in Pop songs today from them.
Agreed on the ABBA front. Saw Bjorn Again at Glastonbury and they were a laugh.
I have a strong dislike for Oasis, Kings of Leon, Muse, Bloc Party and to a lesser extent, Radiohead.
The Arctic Monkeys latest album is way better than their previous two.
I like The Smiths and they have some great songs, but Morrissey is a diva bell-end.
Sonic Youth have a few great albums, but the bad far outweighs the great.
Dragonfly
24-02-2010, 13:09
I have a strong dislike for Oasis, Kings of Leon, Muse, Bloc Party and to a lesser extent, Radiohead.
Kings Of Leon, because of their current "success"? Their first three albums are great and I even think their latest outing is good.
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