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greenegg

09-10-2006, 23:27

OK guys I am not trying to appear as a Racist here but basically I was just thinking about who the best black 11 of all time were and also the best white 11 of all time. Then they play each other and who would win. So put up your choices and see who would win. Also do it for present times aswell. I will do mine tomorrow when I am not tired.

Dragonfly

09-10-2006, 23:31

I've thought about this a few times. I'll do mine tomorow too, and I'll try to finally post my dream film in your film thread. ;)

wrigh2uk

09-10-2006, 23:32

Good thread, i'll do mine after work tomorrow

-Deki-

09-10-2006, 23:35

All time White side:

--------------------Zoff---------------

--Beckenbauer--Baresi---Scirea---Vogts

------Cryuff------Platini------Maradona---

-------Best----Van Basten---Muller-------

Jonny2J

09-10-2006, 23:35

Just had a gander in Photoshop and made the badges for both teams.

http://www.leksikon.org/images/bpp.gif

http://www.stanford.edu/~rtracey/IHUM/images/swastika.JPG

Eric Clyde

09-10-2006, 23:35

This has never came across my mind before. :mellow:

EDIT: Brilliant Jonny! :D

Dragonfly

09-10-2006, 23:38

There's gonna be some uncertainty tough. Would you class Romario as black? Same with other Brazilians. Some are clearly black (love the paradox) like Pele, then you have Cafu, Robbie Carlos...

greenegg

09-10-2006, 23:39

Just had a gander in Photoshop and made the badges for both teams.

http://www.leksikon.org/images/bpp.gif

http://www.stanford.edu/~rtracey/IHUM/images/swastika.JPG

:laugh: Cunt

Jonny2J

09-10-2006, 23:39

There's gonna be some uncertainty tough. Would you class Romario as black? Same with other Brazilians. Some are clearly black (love the paradox) like Pele, then you have Cafu, Robbie Carlos...That's what I was thinking mate, alot of players with latin origins as well maybe classed as neither here nor there.

greenegg

09-10-2006, 23:40

There's gonna be some uncertainty tough. Would you class Romario as black? Same with other Brazilians. Some are clearly black (love the paradox) like Pele, then you have Cafu, Robbie Carlos...

White is white and then Half cast, black and other light tones are under black, now I look like a right racialist

-Deki-

09-10-2006, 23:40

There's gonna be some uncertainty tough. Would you class Romario as black? Same with other Brazilians. Some are clearly black (love the paradox) like Pele, then you have Cafu, Robbie Carlos...
I'd class Carlos, Cafu, Romario as black. I can't see Carlos getting into the side though, nor Cafu! Probably not Romario aswell!!!

greenegg

09-10-2006, 23:40

That's what I was thinking mate, alot of players with latin origins as well maybe classed as neither here nor there.

I suppose Latin is white and asian or indian is black but will we get that far?

-Deki-

09-10-2006, 23:41

All time White side:

--------------------Zoff---------------

--Beckenbauer--Baresi---Scirea---Vogts

------Cryuff------Platini------Maradona---

-------Best----Van Basten---Muller-------
Maradona qualify?

I suppose Latin is white and asian or indian is black but will we get that far?
Agreed.

Dragonfly

09-10-2006, 23:43

White is white and then Half cast, black and other light tones are under black, now I look like a right racialist
You racist twunt (get in there Nath) :tongue:

I'd say Maradona is white. Maybe you should change it to straight hair vs curly. :tongue:

greenegg

09-10-2006, 23:47

Haha OK I think we are all Racist enough to judge between black and white and categorise other variations. I know these arent the only two football player types but if in doubt just ask or even leave out players that are neither definitive black or white. (greenegg not a racist)

Karaoke29

10-10-2006, 00:22

mufcsean

10-10-2006, 00:51

What a great idea i will post mine tomorrow

Yi-Long

10-10-2006, 01:07

Maradona qualify?

We know the inside of his nose is white ... ;)

Anyway, White team has Bergkamp and Cruyff, so OBVIOUSLY they'd win ;)

I think you could make winning teams with both colors... and if they'd play in real-life (which isnt possible, but IF) it would just be 50-50 I think... one time black team would win, next time white team would win...

50!

10-10-2006, 01:43

There was a thread like this for the England team:

http://www.pesinsight.com/showthread.php?t=14656

But because this is all players, I'll keep it open.

The Dubes

10-10-2006, 04:03

Kirby#9

10-10-2006, 04:11

Maybe you need to add a third Latin team???? A fourth Asian team???? A fifth Arabian Team??? A sixth Ladies team??? A seventh Dwarfs team???? Then we might headed somewhere...... Just a thought.:happy:

otobot

10-10-2006, 06:30

what about the portugese n the spaniards?! white? or black like the mexicans n the puerto ricans?

AgentZero

10-10-2006, 06:52

hahaha brilliant thread eggy!!!
is this an afro-caucasian game of players in the epl or worldwide?
if it was an EPL game:

Caucasian Team (current crop)
Cech-Keeper
Terry-Defenders
Senderos
Ferreira
Heinze
Ronaldo-Midfielders
Gerrard
Parker
Joe Cole
A.Johnson/Rooney-Forwards
Crouch

Afro-Allstars
Tim Howard-Keepers
wesley Brown-Defenders
Rio Ferdinand
Sol Campbell/Ledley King
Ashley Cole
Shaun Wright Phillips-Midfielders
Claude Makele
Manuel Fernandes
Michael Essien
Thierry Henry-Forwards
Didier Drogba/Louis Saha

Joel Rojo

10-10-2006, 08:12

I suppose Latin is white and asian or indian is black but will we get that far?

Can't be. Look at Ronaldinho, Pelé, whomever, they wouldn't be classed as white. Then what do you do with Maradona, Trezeguet, Adriano, fuck, I think even C. Ronaldo would be classed by most as caucasian, but his skin tone isn't far from that of Trezeguet, whom I would guess would be classed as black.

I don't want to rain on your parade, but you need better rules. I fear this might end up as Caucasians vs. The World.

Glavisted

10-10-2006, 09:12

All-Time White Side

----------------------- Yashin (RUS) -----------------------
- Vogts (GER) - Baresi (ITA) - Moore (ENG) - Maldini (ITA) -
--------------------- Beckenbauer (GER) ------------------
---- Maradona (ARG) --- Cruyff (HOL) --- Zidane (FRA) ----
------------- Ronaldo (BRA) --- Di Stéfano (ARG) ----------

Substitutes: Zoff (ITA), Passarella (ARG), Marzolini (ARG), Matthäus (GER), Sócrates (BRA), Charlton (ENG), Zico (BRA), Platini (FRA), Best (NIR), Van Basten (HOL), Puskas (HUN), Müller (GER).

All-Time Black Side

-------------------------------- N'Kono (CAM) ---------------------------------
- Carlos Alberto (BRA) - Thuram (FRA) - Da Guía (BRA) - Roberto Carlos (BRA) -
--------------------------------- Vieira (FRA) ----------------------------------
--------------- Garrincha (BRA) ------------- Ronaldinho (BRA) ----------------
---------------------------------- Pelé (BRA) ----------------------------------
---------------------- Eusebio (POR) ------ Henry (FRA) -----------------------

Substitutes: Higuita (COL), Desailly (FRA), Chumpitaz (PER), Cafú (BRA), Rijkaard (HOL), Davids (HOL), Gullit (HOL), Didí (BRA), Rivaldo (BRA), Cubillas (PER), Romario (BRA), Weah (LIB).

Disco Pants

10-10-2006, 09:20

This thread has lost the plot; I mean I wouldn't class Ronaldo as white!! And there seems to be more disagreement than actually posting teams.

Ronaldo_is_fat

10-10-2006, 09:31

Brazillians are considered black but except Kaka.

greenegg

10-10-2006, 10:12

There was a thread like this for the England team:

http://www.pesinsight.com/showthread.php?t=14656

But because this is all players, I'll keep it open.

Thank you Mr Hawaii very admirable of you ;)

flash dan

10-10-2006, 10:46

didnt big ron once have a game of all black footballers vs all white footballers as some ones testomonial back in the 70s you know when racism was still seen as good wholesom entertainment anway hears my go with premiership players

Black

-----------------james--------------------
chimbonda----campbell----ferdinand------a. cole
----------------------------------------------
lennon-------jennas-------makelele-------wright-phillips
----------------------------------------------
-----------henry---------drogba-------------

white

----------------cech-------------------------
g neville--------terry-------senderos-------bridge
-----------------------------------------------
gerrard-------lampard---------parker-------j cole
-----------------------------------------------
--------------johnson------rooney-------------

i think the good thing about the black team is it has campbell and makelele in it which instantly dispells the 70s myth that black players were skilled but lazy neither of them has any skill at all. was also thinking of putting crouch in the white team to prove white men do have rhythm but cant jump

AgentZero

10-10-2006, 10:51

is it because he can dance a little?

Jonny2J

10-10-2006, 10:53

I'd have Bowyer in the white team, as he'd put that extra bit of effort in to ensure the whites win. ;)

Diao

10-10-2006, 10:57

Nobody has Sissoko in their teams :no: Sissoko is better then Jenas :huh:

AgentZero

10-10-2006, 11:23

so far i reckon glavisted has the best teams....

Disco Pants

10-10-2006, 11:23

I'd have Bowyer in the white team, as he'd put that extra bit of effort in to ensure the whites win. ;)

:laugh:

I think he would be sent of pretty quickly though, as he would 'stamp' his authority in the midfield

Glavisted

10-10-2006, 12:32

Brazillians are considered black but except Kaka.
I wouldn't classify Ronaldo as black definitely.

Original?

10-10-2006, 13:28

I wouldn't classify Ronaldo as black definitely.

If Henry is black then I would classify Ronaldo as black also.

fattyronaldo

10-10-2006, 13:35

Brazillians are considered black but except Kaka.
Then what about Edmilson, Cicinho and company? Maybe ya'll should add another side called "Halves" and they will probably be the strongest.

nath_scfc

10-10-2006, 16:59

MON THE HONKIES!

Mr Fly, what's the get in there Nath for? :mellow:

seb121

10-10-2006, 17:08

eeeediats, ronaldo is blak, u cn tell by his hair. da blak team shud b

------------------------hislop----------------------
glen johnson-------cambell-----ferdinand------roberto carlos
wright phillips-------viera-------baptista-------lennon
------------------henry-------saha

vieira and baptista will absolutly leve manz shook!!

Dragonfly

10-10-2006, 17:08

You were the first (and only, I think) to use the phrase "twunt".

nath_scfc

10-10-2006, 17:30

You were the first (and only, I think) to use the phrase "twunt".
I'll level with you, Flipper The Priest used it before me on here. It was when he berated Totti many moons ago.

Sorry to spoil your dreams, son. :( Here... Have a Werthers Original...

Viperized

10-10-2006, 18:10

Premiership black:

..................Hislop...... ....... (The only GK I can think of..)

Eboue....Toure....Gallas....Co le

SWP...Essien...Makelele....Len non

..........Henry.......Saha.... ........

Premiership white:

..................Cech

Neville....Terry....Carragher. ...Riise

Gerrard....Cesc....Alonso....R osicky

..........Rooney.....Johnson

Lorenzinho

10-10-2006, 20:05

I'll level with you, Flipper The Priest used it before me on here. It was when he berated Totti many moons ago.

Sorry to spoil your dreams, son. :( Here... Have a Werthers Original...

I remember that exact moment infact. Ah, good times. Class of 2003/2004.

-Deki-

10-10-2006, 20:41

All time White side:

--------------------Zoff---------------

--Beckenbauer--Baresi---Scirea---Vogts

------Cryuff------Platini------Maradona---

-------Best----Van Basten---Muller-------
Some other class players that could slot in:
Zico, Stoichkov, Rivera, Puskas, Di Stefano, Rossi, Maldini, Kempes, Facchetti, Neeskens, Johnstone.

Glavisted

11-10-2006, 01:34

If Henry is black then I would classify Ronaldo as black also.
Definitely I think they have different colour of skins.

FookinChef

04-12-2006, 19:12

Racist thread of the year. good going egg

mufcsean

04-12-2006, 19:15

Only 2 months behind

Teekay

04-12-2006, 20:13

To me it's too hard to define who is balck and who is white. I mean I consider European latinos white, but then again some Brazilians like Shorty are darker than that...

Ah forget about it... :laugh:

nath_scfc

05-12-2006, 15:58

Some other class players that could slot in:
Zico, Stoichkov, Rivera, Puskas, Di Stefano, Rossi, Maldini, Kempes, Facchetti, Neeskens, Johnstone.
No Matthews? :mellow:

Racist thread of the year. good going egg
I've seen you from Plymouth, so I don't know if you're being sincere with that but if you are, then that comment is arse.

executioner

09-12-2006, 16:48

Have a mixed race XI then to shut everyone up!!

On the ground on who would win or who is better, that will never, and i mean ever be resolved. Look at Pele and George Best, on the field you couldn't say a damn thing seperating them.

Case (Undis)closed.

Jonny2J

09-12-2006, 16:53

Oleg Blokhin delivering his team talk to get the guys geared up for the match.

http://kkk.wanted.eu.org/obrady.jpg

executioner

09-12-2006, 16:54

:no: :laugh:

greenegg

09-12-2006, 19:31

Haha Jonny great choice of manager there for me it was between him and Big Ron.

For the non-whites I would put up Martin Luther King as their manager.

The Messiah

09-12-2006, 19:38

Funny how you don't really get many top quality black managers. A bit like black swimmers.

TheAlchemist

10-12-2006, 00:50

Funny how you don't really get many top quality black managers. A bit like black swimmers.

Ruud Gullit;)

calculus

15-12-2006, 16:23

Funny how you don't really get many top quality black managers. A bit like black swimmers.

A bit like you dont get many top quality English managers:cool:

I'm not having Maradona(Native american-ask him about the racist abuse he got in Spain and then ask him if he thinks hes white), Zidane(morrocan-arabic yes, black more than white maybe ask the french if they think hes white), Ronaldo(ask them in brazil if hes white or hes classed with the 100million plus mixed race 'black' underclass in brazil)

LATIN European = White

LATIN American = White e.g. KAKA. Leonardo(ex brazil, bbc WC pundit)

Mixed race = Black(skin colour i guess)

A team based on players current playing in the EPL:

1. Cech

2. Neville 4. Terry 5. Vidic 3. Riise

6. Fabregas 7. Alonso 8. Gerrard

9. Rooney 10. Johnson 11. Ronaldo

Subs: 13. Van der Saar, 14. Carragher 15. Giggs 16. Berbatov 17. Robben

1. James

2. Eboue 4. Toure 5. Ferdinand 3. Cole

6. Essien 7. Makelele 8. Sissoko 11. Lennon

10. Henry 9. Drogba

Subs: 13. Hislop, 14. Gallas, 15. Gilberto, 16. Saha, 17. Anelka

Barry

15-12-2006, 16:34

Ruud Gullit;)

:laugh:

greenegg

15-12-2006, 19:27

Funny how you don't really get many top quality black managers. A bit like black swimmers.

I am not being a racial-est here but the reason we don't get black swimmers is because they have bigger sweat pores so they are not as aero dynamic through the water, as I say it isn't racial just FACT!

Jonny2J

15-12-2006, 19:32

I am not being a racial-est here but the reason we don't get black swimmers is because they have bigger sweat pores so they are not as aero dynamic through the water, as I say it isn't racial just FACT!There big cocks may also not be a bit easy on the eye, kind of Linford Christie style.

TheAlchemist

16-12-2006, 02:30

:laugh:

Whats so funny? :huh:

The Messiah

16-12-2006, 02:46

I'm sure Chapelle has done a skit on this but the reason why there are no good black swimmers is because there's not a lot of money in Swimming. Add to that it's not a cool sport.

Diamond Joe

16-12-2006, 09:58

Funny how you don't really get many top quality black managers. A bit like black swimmers.

Yeah just like you dont get any black paedophile's.

Henry is black you idiots(i Know it hurts because he so good) his parents are from the Caribbean nob heads, also if some one of maradonna complexion lived next door to you cunts i dare say you would think of him has a paki and its clear he aint white. Black people have bones that are more thickset thats why there isn't any black swimmers!(Remember when gazza broke his arm on george boteng's face, george walked off gazza went to hospital). Apart from rocky there hasn't been any great white boxers, um i wonder why?. thats why you rednecks like WWF so much its the only chance you'll see a white heavy weight champion. You nerds are so funny!

Diamond Joe

16-12-2006, 10:20

I'm sure Chapelle has done a skit on this but the reason why there are no good black swimmers is because there's not a lot of money in Swimming. Add to that it's not a cool sport.

Heres a quote from a white man who got some sense.

Diodorus, the Greek historian of the first century A.D., wrote of the Kushites ("Ethiopians") that they were the first men on Earth, the people closest to the sun (which was why their skin was "burnt"), and that their offerings were the most favored by the gods because these people were the purest of men. Legends said that the gods all preferred to go there for their feasts.

"Race meant nothing to these people," said William Y. Adams, an archaeologist from the University of Kentucky. "

The Messiah

16-12-2006, 10:24

You don't get many Black gays don't you? Not that i've been looking.

Miggy

16-12-2006, 10:27

Apart from rocky there hasn't been any great white boxers, um i wonder why?. thats why you rednecks like WWF so much its the only chance you'll see a white heavy weight champion. You nerds are so funny!

:laugh:
Truely was a legend of the sport.

Diamond Joe

16-12-2006, 10:35

You don't get many Black gays don't you? Not that i've been looking.

off course you get black gays, its just not tolerated by the blacks has much as it is by white people.So if a black guy is gay he not going to scream about, My own view is i dont care if some one gay

Barry

16-12-2006, 10:39

You don't get many Black gays don't you? Not that i've been looking.

You rarely see black teachers too :mellow:

The Messiah

16-12-2006, 10:43

That is worrying!! You don't get many Indian footballers :O

Miggy

16-12-2006, 10:47

That is worrying!! You don't get many Indian footballers :O
They don't like to shower after games. It's all in this thread http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=45661 :)

Jonny2J

16-12-2006, 10:48

That is worrying!! You don't get many Indian footballers :OPerhaps because they're all shit?

The Messiah

16-12-2006, 10:52

Perhaps because they're all shit?

For the time being!! Soon Chelsea, Manchester United etc will get outsourced to India.

Diamond Joe

16-12-2006, 10:55

That is worrying!! You don't get many Indian footballers :O

It's a culture thing,Their parents encourage them to work or study most of them dont get the freedom we get. I know alot of brilliant asian footballers who if given the chance could of made it pro. That stuff about their diet and them not being strong enough is bollocks, also cricket is far more popular with asian boys.

calculus

16-12-2006, 10:56

You rarely see black teachers too :mellow:

Just like you wouldn't see many white teachers in a country where the majority population is black:cool:

Barry

16-12-2006, 10:58

Cricket......:tumble:

These Asian boys should be saved from a life of tragedy and horror.

Just like you wouldn't see many white teachers in a country where the majority population is black:cool:

OK you've got me there :ninja:

Jonny2J

16-12-2006, 10:58

Cricket......:tumble:

These Indian boys should be saved from a life of tragedy and horror.Barry we'll have a fall out in a minute.

calculus

16-12-2006, 10:59

Cricket......:tumble:

These Indian boys should be saved from a life of tragedy and horror.

OK you've got me there :ninja:

:rolleyes: So when are people gonna start posting more teams!

Teekay

16-12-2006, 11:00

I think Frank Rijkaard is a pretty decent black manager :)

Diamond Joe

16-12-2006, 11:01

Just like you wouldn't see many white teachers in a country where the majority population is black:cool:

LOL!

Miggy

16-12-2006, 11:03

I think Frank Rijkaard is a pretty decent black manager :)

I second that. But very few others.

Diamond Joe

16-12-2006, 11:05

[QUOTE=-Teekay-;883364]I think Frank Rijkaard is a pretty decent black manager :)[/QUOTE

I Agree !!!

calculus

16-12-2006, 11:05

I second that. But very few others.

Can anyone tell when was the last time an english manager won the league?

I got this question from a Scot at work and it got me thinking! Anyone know?

Diamond Joe

16-12-2006, 11:13

I second that. But very few others.

Hang on mate look at the comments in this thread about black people, and you wonder why there isn't alot of black managers. Remember it wasn't that long ago that john barnes was getting a bananna thrown at him and death threats from england fans because they didn't what a black man to play for their country, but their happy to have a german royal family.

calculus

16-12-2006, 11:18

Miggy

16-12-2006, 11:19

Hang on mate look at the comments in this thread about black people, and you wonder why there isn't alot of black managers. Remember it wasn't that long ago that john barnes was getting a bananna thrown at him and death threats from england fans because they didn't what a black man to play for their country, but their happy to have a german royal family.

I'm sorry but I find it hard to take serious anything you say. The fact you think Rocky was based on fact just sums it up for me. I just merely said that Rijkaard is a manager a admire alot, and I don't know many other succesful managers that are of black race. Be it for whatever reasons. Whats Barnes got to do with it anyway? He had a chance at Celtic, failed. Royal Family? :unsure:

Diamond Joe

16-12-2006, 11:23

I'm sorry but I find it hard to take serious anything you say. The fact you think Rocky was based on fact just sums it up for me. I just merely said that Rijkaard is a manager a admire alot, and I don't know many other succesful managers that are of black race. Be it for whatever reasons. Whats Barnes got to do with it anyway? He had a chance at Celtic, failed. Royal Family? :unsure:

Oh my god yoU think i am on about Rocky the film? how old are you, you most be a youth. i am talking about the one and only Rocky Marciano the RAGING BULL you FOOL!