View Full Version : Matrix game
Has anyone got enter the matrix.
If so tell me wot u think, if not get it!
I haven't seen much from the game. Is it a bit like Max Payne as in terms of the gaming engine? It had almost 5million pre-sale copies which is one of the most pre-sales of any game
check out some matrix screenshots (http://www.ps2fantasy.com/scripts/screenshots.php?gid=201)
hitmanuk2k
18-05-2003, 18:51
looks cool, but generally games of movie are rubbish.... this any different?
It is going to be very special the game. For the game their is 30 minutes extra movie recorded which you dont see in the movie. So if you play the game you will understand the movie better. Cool isnt it.
This game is the best (obviously for my xbox).
Its quite hard aswell because most fighting games could be done in about 2 days or so.
If anyone want any cheats just ask me i have some great ones.
Gooner_Harmer
23-05-2003, 23:47
Originally posted by Marshy
This game is the best (obviously for my xbox).
Its quite hard aswell because most fighting games could be done in about 2 days or so.
If anyone want any cheats just ask me i have some great ones.
It is a brilliant game, the fight scenes are absolutely amazing. I would recommend buying the game although I got it for £5 ;).
Gooner_Harmer
23-05-2003, 23:49
Originally posted by hitmanuk2k
looks cool, but generally games of movie are rubbish.... this any different?
Thats true. But this game is an exception. Maybe you should rent it first, as it is definetly a game well worth buying.
Lisbon67Seville03
24-05-2003, 01:26
hitmanuk2k looks cool, but generally games of movie are rubbish.... this any different?
well this one isnt, it is very very very(on and on) very awesome. focus time is way cooler than bullet time, and the graphics are bellisimo!!!
Zygalski
24-05-2003, 09:58
Where can you get it for £5?
Gooner_Harmer
24-05-2003, 10:01
Originally posted by Zygalski
Where can you get it for £5?
Chipped off a mate.
Lisbon67Seville03
25-05-2003, 02:41
thats sort of cheating the company who put all of that effort into developing such a great, fast-paced game that meets the needs of anyone needing some matrix euphoria or something.
Zygalski
25-05-2003, 03:46
I don't think the makers of the Matrix will be worrying about a lack of money any time soon, or ever.
But the less said of warez, the better.
Gooner_Harmer
25-05-2003, 15:31
Originally posted by Zygalski
I don't think the makers of the Matrix will be worrying about a lack of money any time soon, or ever.
But the less said of warez, the better.
Is what I said regarded as Warez? If so, WOOPS!
Well it's not me doing it therefore I do not have the guilty conscience.
Has anyone seen the film yet?
It's so much quality,the architect scene was a bit head bending though,could anyone shed any light on it?
Gooner_Harmer
25-05-2003, 15:40
Originally posted by NIBOD
Has anyone seen the film yet?
It's so much quality,the architect scene was a bit head bending though,could anyone shed any light on it?
DON'T READ THIS BIT IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE FILM!
I myself saw the film yesterday, but what architect scene is this? The most vivid scene in my mind is where you have the duplicate Agent Smiths' and Neo on his own, just after he has talked to the oracle. But unfortunately that scene looks too computerised in certain bits. If you have seen it you may know what I mean.
DON'T READ THIS BIT IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE FILM!
I myself saw the film yesterday, but what architect scene is this? The most vivid scene in my mind is where you have the duplicate Agent Smiths' and Neo on his own, just after he has talked to the oracle. But unfortunately that scene looks too computerised in certain bits. If you have seen it you may know what I mean. [/QUOTE]
The architect scene is where Neo goes back to the source and speaks to that old dude,the father of the Matrix. He tells Neo about "the one" and how "the one" came to be,he said anomaly a lot,you must know which scene i'm talking about. I know what you mean about the agent smith scene though,it does look a bit too computery but the film as a whole blew my mind
Gooner_Harmer
25-05-2003, 15:54
Originally posted by Gooner_Harmer
DON'T READ THIS BIT IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE FILM!
I myself saw the film yesterday, but what architect scene is this? The most vivid scene in my mind is where you have the duplicate Agent Smiths' and Neo on his own, just after he has talked to the oracle. But unfortunately that scene looks too computerised in certain bits. If you have seen it you may know what I mean.
Originally posted by Nibod
The architect scene is where Neo goes back to the source and speaks to that old dude,the father of the Matrix. He tells Neo about "the one" and how "the one" came to be,he said anomaly a lot,you must know which scene i'm talking about. I know what you mean about the agent smith scene though,it does look a bit too computery but the film as a whole blew my mind
I agree the film was amazing!
Well as far as I know 'The Matrix' is a program designed for everyone to live in. It seems that Neo was an anomaly to this program and subsequently feel outside of 'The Matrix'. This was 'The One's' cause for concern and was the reason they attempt and will continue to attempt to destroy him.
I hope this helps a little bit, because like yourself I found it a bit confusing at times.
Zygalski
25-05-2003, 16:05
Please do continue to write something like
"DON'T READ THIS BIT IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE FILM!"
or
"Movie Spoiler Warning"
so people who haven't seen it yet don't read something they shouldn't.
Gooner_Harmer
25-05-2003, 16:12
Originally posted by Zygalski
Please do continue to write something like
"DON'T READ THIS BIT IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE FILM!"
or
"Movie Spoiler Warning"
so people who haven't seen it yet don't read something they shouldn't.
No problem. Have you seen it yourself?
Zygalski
25-05-2003, 16:21
Not yet. Hopefully on Tuesday.
Lisbon67Seville03
25-05-2003, 20:56
to go back to gooner's idea on smiths vs. neo, it was kinda computerized but it is probably the most realistic thing they could do, plus, imagine george lucas, circa 1977, seing the matrix. wouldnt he be wondering how the hell they got the rigs and men to do those scenes. i myself though that the graphics were breathtaking.
DO NOT READ IF NOT SEEN FILM OR DO NOT WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i did, however, love and hate the ending. i loved it because it was so good and cliffhangery, but i hated it cuz i wanted more, like agent smith. did anyone else stay to the end for the revolutions ad? its not that great. the ad on enter the matrix is much much better(complete the game, then you'll see, i just saw it a few hours ago). also, did anyone else have a mindbending sleep after seeing it? my mind was frazzled after because of the whole neo-sentinels thing. is he in a coma to master his new-found one-ness? or is he dying, along with everyone else eventually? either way a great film. i thought the architecht scene was the best non-action scene in the film.
Gooner_Harmer
25-05-2003, 23:55
Originally posted by Lisbon67Seville03
to go back to gooner's idea on smiths vs. neo, it was kinda computerized but it is probably the most realistic thing they could do, plus, imagine george lucas, circa 1977, seing the matrix. wouldnt he be wondering how the hell they got the rigs and men to do those scenes. i myself though that the graphics were breathtaking.
DO NOT READ IF NOT SEEN FILM OR DO NOT WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i did, however, love and hate the ending. i loved it because it was so good and cliffhangery, but i hated it cuz i wanted more, like agent smith. did anyone else stay to the end for the revolutions ad? its not that great. the ad on enter the matrix is much much better(complete the game, then you'll see, i just saw it a few hours ago). also, did anyone else have a mindbending sleep after seeing it? my mind was frazzled after because of the whole neo-sentinels thing. is he in a coma to master his new-found one-ness? or is he dying, along with everyone else eventually? either way a great film. i thought the architecht scene was the best non-action scene in the film.
DO NOT READ IF NOT SEEN FILM OR DO NOT WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT!!!!
I agree the scenes are amazing.
I also was left on a clifthanger and gagging for more! The Matrix Revolution should explain a few things in my mind.
Was that the best film you have ever seen?
Originally posted by Gooner_Harmer
DO NOT READ IF NOT SEEN FILM OR DO NOT WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT!!!!
I agree the scenes are amazing.
I also was left on a clifthanger and gagging for more! The Matrix Revolution should explain a few things in my mind.
Was that the best film you have ever seen?
It has to be up there,I was reading an article on an unofficial Matrix website and the writer posed a very good hypothesis.He proposed that the "real world" was yet another Matrix to give complete control over the humans so they think they have already escaped but haven't really.If you've seen the film there are cetain scenes which could back this up,especially the last scene with neo and the sentinels where he manages to stop the sentinels like he stopped th bullets at the end of the first film.Its all very mind boggling,and I'd love it to turn out this way.
Gooner_Harmer
26-05-2003, 19:09
Originally posted by NIBOD
It has to be up there,I was reading an article on an unofficial Matrix website and the writer posed a very good hypothesis.He proposed that the "real world" was yet another Matrix to give complete control over the humans so they think they have already escaped but haven't really.If you've seen the film there are cetain scenes which could back this up,especially the last scene with neo and the sentinels where he manages to stop the sentinels like he stopped th bullets at the end of the first film.Its all very mind boggling,and I'd love it to turn out this way.
Thats a very philosphical way of looking at the universe. Could you give me the link please?
I personally enjoyed the 'Car Chase' the most.
Lisbon67Seville03
26-05-2003, 21:39
i would say that, since i actually cannot name the best film of all time(depends on the mood) that it certainly was the best sci-fi movie i've ever seen(sorry star wars, just not as inventive as the matrix) but i think that end would be very good, but i would, personally, not like it because, well, it just wouldnt feel right. but then, its not up to me.
Zygalski
28-05-2003, 00:57
I saw the Matrix Reloaded tonight and thought it was very good.
We will see how much I think about it tonight when sleeping!
A few of the scenes in the matrix seemed to be overloaded with technical speak which didn't mean much. Foreign people I know who don't know English so well said they would have to watch it again to try to understand it (maybe that was the intention of the makers!). Let me absorb the movie and I may bring up some points later.
How many people, when leaving the cinema, get of the feeling of being as cool and powerful as Neo?!
I would say that you should watch 28 Days Later as it is original and so different and since it's based in England it makes many of us feel a part of it. Great stuff.
!!!!WARNING DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVEN"T SEEN THIS FILM!!!!
OK I really enjoyed the movie, it had great fighting seens, however this is were my problem with the film lies. Ok going back to the end of the first film Neo was able to destroy these agent/programs without fighting, example: when he destoryed Smith. SO jumping ahead to Reloaded, why did Neo have to use his karate to fight these programs when he supposedly figured out how to "break the code" and destroy the programs in seconds? I guess they just wanted the extra action scenes. Also I would have to agree that the ending made thing intresting with Neo stopping the sentinal and makes me ask alot of questions.
Cheers,
Ken
Zygalski
28-05-2003, 07:33
----------DO NOT READ - SPOILER-----------
I think right at the start, when Neo first fought the agents, he said something like "Hmmm, upgrades" or something like that which suggests that the Matrix figured out the old agents weren't good enough so it started using these new advanced versions which caused them a few more problems.
I liked the scenes where Link was making comments and reacted to what the stars were doing.
I did stay till the end and thought it was worth it.
-------------END SPOILER---------
PLEASE DO READ THIS:
BTW if you go to watch, you should stay till the end of the credits.
I did and it was worth it, despite that fact that it looks like half the people on the planet are in the credits!
When I watched it last night, about 98% of the people left as soon as the credits started.
Originally posted by Gooner_Harmer
Thats a very philosphical way of looking at the universe. Could you give me the link please?
I personally enjoyed the 'Car Chase' the most.
the address is http://www.thelastfreecity.com, although I tried to find the article again but there is no search facility,if you find it let me know
Lisbon67Seville03
29-05-2003, 15:34
SPOILER DO NOT READ IF YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE FILM!!!
the twins were extrememly underused, agreed? will they play a bigger part in the next one? or are they dead? cuz they were invisible you know.
Originally posted by Lisbon67Seville03
SPOILER DO NOT READ IF YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE FILM!!!
the twins were extrememly underused, agreed? will they play a bigger part in the next one? or are they dead? cuz they were invisible you know.
who knows, we'll have to wait and see. They were never really alive in the first place.
Zygalski
29-05-2003, 18:45
I think maybe the movie was a little too 'naughty' for a 15 rating.
Lisbon67Seville03
30-05-2003, 18:23
SEMI-HORNY SPOILER, DONT READ IF YOU WANT TO KEEP A GREAT BIT UNDER WRAPS
i loved the um, chocolate cake bit. pure class. i loved it. and that chick was frickin' hott!!!:p anyway, the twins have to be in the next one and take on neo, they were way too reluctant.
Zygalski
30-05-2003, 18:42
SPOILER BELOW
Seems the best way to stop Neo was to slam a door in his face....
END SPOILER
Lisbon67Seville03
01-06-2003, 14:08
SEMI-SPOILER
i thought those mountain scenes were cinematic majesty. absolutely brilliant camera trickery/other black magic. also, the freeway scene, the most breath-taking use of special effects that ive ever scene in my puff. woah!
END SPOILER
rebusrahman
04-06-2003, 14:36
Didn't like it...it's not the Matrix
Zygalski
13-06-2003, 20:14
No.
It's The Matrix Reloaded.
LFC4EVER
13-06-2003, 22:41
I have it but its a bit linear.
rebusrahman
14-06-2003, 03:37
Originally posted by Zygalski
No.
It's The Matrix Reloaded.
I meant that figuratively speaking...
Absolutely loved the film and am loving the game.
----------------------------CONTAINS SPOILERS-----------------------------
Someone asked to clear up the architect thing:
Neo is in fact the 6th 'One,' although he is the only true 'One.' The original Matrix was perfect but didn't work as no-one excepted accepted (Shock horror!) the architect designed another matrix based upon a world in the history of mankind (i.e. the time we live in now as the film is set like 100-200 years in the future).
Now still not everyone accepts it, 1% do not i.e. Neo, Morpheus etc. When this 1% become aware what the matrix is and freed by the resistance, that is enough to threaten the existance of the Matrix. Thus Zion must be destroyed and the Matrix 'Reloaded'. So Zion has been destroyed 5 times before (notice in the game a tramp says to Niobe "72hours it took for Zion to fall last time") and the matrix reloaded 5 times.
Neo makes up part of the Matrixs prime code and thus the Matrix cannot be reloaded without him. This is why he is the real 'One'. None of the previous 'Ones' had experienced what Neo has - Love. his love for Trinity helps him make the correct decision of going through the right door (as in not left door and correct door). So whereas past 'Ones' reset the Matrix, making the resistance futile, neo has given them a chance to save themselves or the extinction of the human race - probably more desirable than the Matrix anyway.
Zion now has 24 (or 48 can't remember) hours to mount a resistance and will be the time period the third film is set in.
Theories
There are many theories as to what the hell is going on. One being the one mentioned about the real world being another Matrix, designed for the 1% that do not accept the Matrix. I personally do not belive this to be true. this seems too obvious to me and also so much action takes place, what is the real real world going to be like then? it wouldn't make sense. Also, how come Neo can't see the Matrix code in the real world? There are things that support this though. For example, the spoon given to Neo in the real world, probably by the orphan monk kid (as so implied) from the first film. This would seem to indicate thet Neo is still in the Matrix, remember "There is no Spoon"
Other theories floating around work around the given names in the film. Morpheus is the name of the Greek God of sleep able to assume any human form. In the film he visits Neo in his 'sleep' ie the Matrix, but the "any human form" bit could suggest he may not be what he seems. I wouldn't like this to be true though. I prefer him as the crazy, loyal mentor. The name of their (noe ex) ship (don't ask be to spell it) implies betrayal for some reason of a religous story involving the same name or something.
------------------------------------SPOILERS END-----------------------------
Congratulations to those that managed to read that if anyone bothered! Didn't mean it to be that long when I started. Otyher views welcome (constructively of course).
loved the "Hmmmmmmm Upgrades" and "He's doing his Superman thang" bits. Couldn't help getting a shiver down my spine early on when Neo was fighting. He's now the daddy
The driving bits in the game btw are a bit poopy, and I would welcome any help on Ghosts mission in the Police Land Rover where you have to follow the airplane and keep it in sight. There are no shortcuts and I am going flat out. It still manages to get away though.
If you're contemplating getting the game DO, as the fighting bits are superb. the storyline intertwines with Reloaded and has references to the Animatrix which I think is cool. The two playable characters have similar paths, sometimes the same levels, but they branch off and meet each other along the way which I think is damn clever and brings great longetivity.
Right, I'm off, my fingers are bloody aching.....
rebusrahman
26-06-2003, 09:00
Mambo... fair enough if you liked it. You seemed to really dig it but I thought it was all poop... although there were some good ideas in there.
Zygalski
26-06-2003, 13:16
Very deep, Mambo mate.
Good stuff.
============SPOILERS AHEAD============
I don't think Morpheus actually visited Neo in his sleep, while he was still in the Matrix. He sent Trinity to bring Neo to him.
I think after using his power on the Squiddy at the end of Reloaded, Neo is about to realise an increase in his abilities in the 'real world' so he may soon be about to see the Matrix code there too - if that theory turns out to be correct.
It's interesting how Smith got into the 'real world' and nearly knifed Neo but couldn't get the chance but he has screwed them big time towards the end.
Can't wait for him to wake up!
rebusrahman
26-06-2003, 14:32
Maybe I'll stay awake during the third one!
Originally posted by Zygalski
Very deep, Mambo mate.
Good stuff.
============SPOILERS AHEAD============
I don't think Morpheus actually visited Neo in his sleep, while he was still in the Matrix. He sent Trinity to bring Neo to him.
I think after using his power on the Squiddy at the end of Reloaded, Neo is about to realise an increase in his abilities in the 'real world' so he may soon be about to see the Matrix code there too - if that theory turns out to be correct.
It's interesting how Smith got into the 'real world' and nearly knifed Neo but couldn't get the chance but he has screwed them big time towards the end.
Can't wait for him to wake up!
Definately I agree. Can't wait. I think it's clever how the Wachowskis have left it on such an open cliffhanger, where you really can't be sure what's going to happen next. It's not often that you get a film that inspires so much thinking and discussion.
Zygalski
27-06-2003, 09:44
============SPOILER IDEAS?==========
If Neo can have matrix powers in the 'real world', does that mean that Smith can too - such as his cloning/reproducing ability?
Where do you think that final battle will take place?
In the matrix or the 'real-world'?
rebusrahman
27-06-2003, 18:45
How about this one! They actually throw lots of money at a decent script and idea? Instead of sub-standard CGI that looks worse than a PS1 cut-scene. I know they have already filmed it but they could do re-shoots and some creative editing?
I've just completed the game with Niobe and have seen the trailer for Matrix Revolutions that you see upon completing the game. I've also seen a picture in a magazine taken from the final installment as well. Below is what I think and theories based upon this. So, if you don't want to know anything about the third film at all DO NOT READ ON
--------------------------------------------CONTAINS SPOILERS ABOUT MATRIX REVOLUTIONS---------------
Ok most of what I've seen is extremely fast paced action with little or no time to digest what you are seeing before skipping to the next clip of action. From what I can see the third film takes place a lot in the real world as in guns flying protecting Zion. This leads me to believe that the real world is real. I would prefer it this way, meaning that Neo is more of a superhero as he his realising abilities in the real world.
Secondly, there is a big showdown between Neo and Smith which I think will probably be the final big fight scene at the end (inside the Matrix). This makes sense, as in Reloaded it was said that only Neo can free mankind by going and shutting the Matrix down from the inside. I think that Smith is probably the guy standing in his way. But wouldn't Neo kick his ass? Yes, which would make this fight a very short and boring one. Now one clip shows Neo and Smith punch each other at the same time in the same way and then fly backwards (as in as a result of the impact from each others' fists). These two things coupled together lead me to think that Smith ends up with the same powers as Neo. Would make an amazing finale of an evenly matched fight between Super'humans'.
Upon trying to justify how he ends up with the powers I think that it has something to do with when Neo jumped into Smith at the end of the original Matrix. Smith himself said in Reloaded that they had become "connected," therefore it is plausible that they share the same powers eventually. After all Smith is the main arch enemy, and films like the Matrix do not end without the final 'big boss' fight.
The Oracle (played by a different actress as the real Oracle actress passed away shortly after filming of diabetes. I thought she played the part well :(), tells Niobe in the game how Neo's mind and body have become 'seperated.' As I understand it this is referring to his coma. She mentions Trinity too, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if she played a large part in awaking Neo from his coma, possibly through the Matrix I don't know.
-------------------------------------------------SPOILERS END------------------------------------------
That said, it's looking like the final film is going to be a corker.
Originally posted by rebusrahman
How about this one! They actually throw lots of money at a decent script and idea? Instead of sub-standard CGI that looks worse than a PS1 cut-scene. I know they have already filmed it but they could do re-shoots and some creative editing?
You didn't like the film so fine that's your opinion. You talk about sub-standard CGI I agree that you can tell when and when it's not Neo etc fighting, but I will say this. I could see the strings above Virgil in Thunderbirds and yet it did not ruin my enjoyment of the series (classic!). Now the techniques they used for the CGI are new and revolutionary, therefore you cannot expect it to be perfect the first time it is used. Thes whole point of using this was being able to do camera movement (ie 360etc) that is not possible with real cameras which resulted in some awesome camera angles panning around the action with fluid movement.
It depends upon your attitude towards it. A decent script? I'd have to say I disagree with you there. A plot so complex which provokes such thought, discussion, theories and anticipation cannot be a rubbish script. As for the idea, I'd say it's pretty original in terms of the other films you get around today.
rebusrahman
28-06-2003, 00:30
Originally posted by Mambo Jambo
You didn't like the film so fine that's your opinion. You talk about sub-standard CGI I agree that you can tell when and when it's not Neo etc fighting, but I will say this. I could see the strings above Virgil in Thunderbirds and yet it did not ruin my enjoyment of the series (classic!). Now the techniques they used for the CGI are new and revolutionary, therefore you cannot expect it to be perfect the first time it is used. Thes whole point of using this was being able to do camera movement (ie 360etc) that is not possible with real cameras which resulted in some awesome camera angles panning around the action with fluid movement.
It depends upon your attitude towards it. A decent script? I'd have to say I disagree with you there. A plot so complex which provokes such thought, discussion, theories and anticipation cannot be a rubbish script. As for the idea, I'd say it's pretty original in terms of the other films you get around today.
But Thunderbirds was all puppets (so not really a decent comparison as it's not the same genre) and you knew there were strings. In terms of CGI, I appreciate it is new and revolutionary but they didn't exactly have a small budget, did they? LOTR used lots of new techniques but I have little to slag off in the 2 films in that respect. Also I do NOT expect to pay up to £10 for a film that is not finished. They tested new FX in The Abyss (which was used for T2) but I never felt that I was cheated by the effects. The whole reason the 1st film is so good is because the fights have character, purpose and seem very gritty and real. To watch CGI for 5 mins kinda defeats the whole flavour that made them good?
Again the same argument with the script. The 1st film has a pared down and streamline script. Yet is incredibly thought-provoking, funny and full of life. Reloaded has a few moments but no real life. Zion is dull as ditchwater and Morpheus fails to inspire. And as for the Architect... well, it's like the bros wrote a very s-i-m-p-l-e speech and then used the thesaurus on words to find b-i-g words. Yet in the original, certain complexities like that could be expressed thru gesture, movement and a few words.
I won't dispute that it's original (its predecessor did all the hard work for it) and that there are some neat ideas in the film. But to me it was one big wasted opportunity to make something really breath-taking...just like The Pants-on Men-arse and Attack of the Groans.
Ok. Diatribe over!
Mambo, you like the film and I respect that... but nothing wrong with some healthy debate over stuff, eh?
No not at all, that's what forums are all about! I can't help but think that people who were disappointed with th efilm had expectations just way too high. I mean people were thinking it was gonna be a perfect best of all time film ever. Perhaps this is why many were disappointed, films with very high anticipation cannot live up to the hype eg Episode 1, it happens with games all the time too eg Devil May Cry 2.
rebusrahman
29-06-2003, 21:50
My feeling with Ep I & II and Matrix II is that I expected something along the lines of the previous films. I did not expect perfection (I never do) but I did expect to enjoy the films a little (instead of being bored senseless!). Ok, I have high expectations and am very very critical (NB not over-critical) but I should not feel like falling asleep during these types of films. After all, they're made by the same people and they have more time, money and resources and yet the films are not as good as their predecessors?
It's like Blade. I love the first one. Script is good, FX r pretty good and action too. Blade II? Pants! Why bother? Even if any of these films had an extra £10 budget from the previous incarnations I wouldn't care... as long as the film was any good.
Empire is a sequel which, I think, is better than Star Wars. And why? Cos it tells (essentially) a complete and separate story but never tries to seriously outdo Ep IV. It's just different. LOTR II is the same. These films are part of a trilogy of big sweeping story but you can watch them all separately and enjoy as a discrete entity. They do the same thing in a different context. Sorry, starting to ramble now so I'll stop... ;-)
vBulletin® v3.7.1, Copyright ©2000-2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.