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Mumpleaser
06-12-2006, 08:21
I was playing online last night and I always play either as Real or England. You can slate me all you want for choosing two great teams but that is not the subject I wanted to discuss. It is the cut-back goal I would like to talk about.
I played about 6 matches last night and every single player I played against (most choosing Brazil or Barcelona) scored every single one of their goals using the cut-back method. For those of you who do not know what a cut-back goal is I will explain. You get as close to the by-line as possible with a quick winger/forward and then you run straight upwards or downwards towards the goal mouth. You then just press pass :x: across goal and 9-times out of 10 you will score.
Now I can score a cut-back as well as any man but I simply refuse to. I would rather hang up my digital boots that score like that. It can't be fulfilling or fun to win games that way, can it? I won maybe 4 of the 6 games I played last night but I was just so annoyed that I couldn't defend that type of goal that I was forced to write this rant!
Please discuss!
A goal is a goal mate. It doesnt matter how you score them
yeah that is how i look at it sull a goal is a goal i do not play online but still when i play with mates if they do it they do it, it is your job to stop them from getting down to the by-line to pass it back. :)
Mumpleaser
06-12-2006, 08:44
Well it does though, doesn't it? Is it fun or rewarding or skillfull to score in that way? Isn't that what playing videogames is all about, having fun, being creative and a dash of escapism? Is winning really that much fun that you would rather win than have fun and play good, decent football? I know I wouldn't.
proevo_15021975
06-12-2006, 08:53
i dont like it either but i dont mind those who do.i always shoot instead of passing it accross goal.
I just think a goals a goal. I hardly ever do them but thats what I prefer to do. If someone likes scoring with them its fine with me
Well it does though, doesn't it? Is it fun or rewarding or skillfull to score in that way? Isn't that what playing videogames is all about, having fun, being creative and a dash of escapism? Is winning really that much fun that you would rather win than have fun and play good, decent football? I know I wouldn't.
well i have fun when i play the game as i never do them shots unless it is 90 mins and i need a goal. :tongue: i do not get to play the game that much so i have fun any time i get to play it. i think it is still fun when people do them to you. i mean if you are not doing them it is you who is going to be getting the good goals and the other peorson that is going to get the boreing goals, so all that in mind i think it is still fun. :)
proevo_15021975
06-12-2006, 09:20
i played a guy the other night who used barca and the 1st game was laggy as f**k so when i pass back to my keeper and try and pass it to one of my other defenders the keeper turns and walks it into my net.so im pissed of with the lag and tell him so.the game finished something like 6-3.the guy said his connection was fine and we had a bit of a slanging match him saying i was shit and me saying your a lager.anyway we play about 5 or 6 more games and they were very close but he won everyone i think and we were saying c u to each other when he says this to me "sorry about the 1st game my step dad was on the other computer doing some downloading" i was furious.cheating twat and all the goals he scored were cutbacks nothing else.which infuriated me even more.
Mumpleaser
06-12-2006, 10:11
It is infuriating to say the least when you cannot defend this type of goal due to lag. I was convinced that Konami would have removed this from the game as it was almost a bug in PES5 and it seems to be no different here in PES6. I mean it rarely happens in real life so why is it so prevelant in the game?
I watch a lot of football and I can say that about 10% of all goals are scored in this way because defenders just don't leave strikers on their own in the box waiting for passes! I have even tried man marking all the strikers but my defenders still leave the buggers to stand still and shoot.
proevo_15021975
06-12-2006, 10:52
I think the best way to defend this is either to try and win the ball running shoulder to shoulder with the attacker or/aswell press square button to make annother defender come over to help you.also sometimes its best to concentrate on not who's go the ball but to where its going to get passed to.crowd that area.whats your thoughts on this mumpleaser.
Guillermo
06-12-2006, 10:57
I just think a goals a goal. I hardly ever do them but thats what I prefer to do. If someone likes scoring with them its fine with me
Something tells me you're one of these cut-back bastards. :angry:
I never do it, unless it's a 2v2 game where my teammate attempts it and passes it to me. At which point I usually turn round and dribble back outside the penalty area. It pisses him off, but I don't give a fuck.
proevo_15021975
06-12-2006, 11:10
At which point I usually turn round and dribble back outside the penalty area. It pisses him off, but I don't give a fuck.
hahahahhaha thats class.take a bow mr.harribo
CaptainCabinet
06-12-2006, 12:04
Having never played online I can't give much of an opinion but the way I see it, some people are far happier when they win by whatever means, and if this means scoring "cut back" goals the so be it. They are not bothered by scoring fancy goals and are more desperate to win than have a decent encounter with one maybe two cracking goals.
Mumpleaser
06-12-2006, 13:59
Something tells me you're one of these cut-back bastards. :angry:
I never do it, unless it's a 2v2 game where my teammate attempts it and passes it to me. At which point I usually turn round and dribble back outside the penalty area. It pisses him off, but I don't give a fuck.
Great move! All rise against the cut-backers! Joking aside, a defender would never leave a striker on his own. I can understand a strong forward pushing a smaller, weaker defender out of the way to score, but they just stand there without a marker.
Allot of goals in real-life are cut backs. It's tactics not cheating.
Think of it this way. People complain about people scoring against them instead of lagg now, eh?
Something tells me you're one of these cut-back bastards. :angry:
Ask the egg if thats true
Dr. Bob Kelso
06-12-2006, 18:24
As long as it is not the only kind of goal people try to score then I have no problem with it.
As long as it is not the only kind of goal people try to score then I have no problem with it.
Agreed.
I will try and find other methods of scoring but I see a winger in space then I'm not going to refuse passing to him. My tactic isn't to score using cutbacks but a goal is a goal and if I can get one like that then I will. But they are just one of the many methods of scoring, it just so happens that this one is more effective than the others thats why all the brainless 14 year old Barca fan boys constantly use them
I always get to the bye line with my winger but cross it - I love headed goals and volleys. In real football, especially in the British game, the winger would cross the ball more often than dribble in to the box.
Mumpleaser
07-12-2006, 10:22
I always get to the bye line with my winger but cross it - I love headed goals and volleys. In real football, especially in the British game, the winger would cross the ball more often than dribble in to the box.
Good to hear it! I don't mind a cut-back goal, but the fact that the defenders leave the strikers on their own every time is what annoys me.
Good to hear it! I don't mind a cut-back goal, but the fact that the defenders leave the strikers on their own every time is what annoys me.
Thats what annoys me too. Use of the cut-back goal in my opinion signals that you cant play properly (i mean every attempt on goal is a cut-back) People try it and normally - for example - Ronaldo is standing on his own 6-8 yards out. Cut-back is fine but i would like to see a defender marking the striker.
If im spain - they have 3 or 4 good defenders and 2 or 3 good defensive midfeilders. When im defending a cut-back goal - why do all these players flock to the ball even if i control them not too. If you set up marking in tactics - it still doesnt stop them leaving players on their own! Annoying. Saying all this - i went 6 games without conceeding recently. But i have to be in the zone to do that.
chaddyru
07-12-2006, 15:27
Use 4-4-2 with 4 CB's. With your two outside CB's (the ones who are normally SB's), aggressively man mark his wing players. And, with one of your central CB's, aggressively man mark his CF. You will be amazed how much this eliminates cut-backs.
proevo_15021975
07-12-2006, 17:36
CHEERS for info chaddyru.
manutdfan1999
09-12-2006, 19:22
the cut back is very annoying. its a goal yeah, but those type of goals come from low quality teams. with the likes of barca and brazil goals should not be scored like that as they have the talent to score better goals. i play with man utd and get in the position to cut it back with ronaldo but i would rather shoot than pass it back. i like beautiful goals not regular one's
Yeh I can't stand them either. The way I look at it is that it is cheating. There shouldn't be one type of goal thats a lot easier to score than any other. Konami have said this and say that they try to remove these types of goal.
That means that it is a glitch in the game and anyone that exploits that glitch is practicly a cheater. I know thats not really true but thats the way i look at it.
It reminds me of the IW gun in Socom 2. It was twice as accurate than any other gun so people banned it. Some say if its in the game then you can use it, but if one person used it then everyone else had to in order to make the game fair.
Its the same in PES. If someone scores the "cheaty pullback" all the time then the only way you can even out the game is to keep scoring it yourself. What's the point of playing the greatest, most realistic football game in the world if you are both going to keep going for the same goal?
I best go now anyway because i've written too many words, but ask yourself this - You play video games for fun, so why take all the fun out of it for both people, just in order to get a different number next to your name?
And on that note, i'm off.
AgentZero
11-12-2006, 22:38
yeah my cousin use to do taht alot..so i got better at using my defenders effectively hardly thinks about doin that again
Everyone does it... and you have to admit it's the easiest way to a goal. Everyone including you, whether against them or them against you. I'm afraid there isn't much we can do about that, fuck it though, whenever I really need to score I look for a cut-back goal as my saviour.
I'm still not sure what a cut-back goal is? Can anyone explain it?
AgentZero
11-12-2006, 22:59
when the winger runs into the box and cust back to a striekr or an attacking mid...pretty much most of lampards goals
Oh right, from what I gathered from this thread someone gets to the byline presses X and it just goes in. Thanks for clearing it up.
tom pain
12-12-2006, 14:05
Seems like a lot of people have lost matches here due to cut-back goals. Sore losers?
I'd score one if necessary. I'd rather win 1 - 0 and score one than draw 0 - 0. Hell, I'd have no problem scoring one. If it means beating the other person I would do it!
Guillermo
12-12-2006, 15:56
That's why no-one plays you Tom. :erm:
tom pain
12-12-2006, 18:15
That's why no-one plays you Tom. :erm:
No-one plays me because I haven't gone online on PES6 yet.
sakisthegr
12-12-2006, 19:16
Well i don't mind if others use this method cause i find a really nice method to avoid cut back goals...
First of all in the controller menu change from semi-auto to manual. Then you are free to choose with L1 the defender you want and i believe passing and shooting become better(that's my style of play). Now when the winger starts going all the way up, i change with the L1 to a defender somewhere in the middle of my defense and i press the Square button so another defender cuts the winger. If the other defender doesnt get the ball and the winger passes, i am able to cut the pass with my selected defender at least 8 of 10 times.
But surely, scoring with other ways is much better. Yesterday i was playing with Ukraine and after a winger's cross , Shevchenko controlled the ball with his chest and then he made a side scissor shot that crashed the other guy's net !!!! Simply beautiful .....
Mumpleaser
12-12-2006, 19:23
Well i don't mind if others use this method cause i find a really nice method to avoid cut back goals...
First of all in the controller menu change from semi-auto to manual. Then you are free to choose with L1 the defender you want and i believe passing and shooting become better(that's my style of play). Now when the winger starts going all the way up, i change with the L1 to a defender somewhere in the middle of my defense and i press the Square button so another defender cuts the winger. If the other defender doesnt get the ball and the winger passes, i am able to cut the pass with my selected defender at least 8 of 10 times.
But surely, scoring with other ways is much better. Yesterday i was playing with Ukraine and after a winger's cross , Shevchenko controlled the ball with his chest and then he made a side scissor shot that crashed the other guy's net !!!! Simply beautiful .....
Now that's what I'm talking about, ways to stop the 'bug'! And the way Shevie scored there is what PES is all about, beautiful football.
AgentZero
12-12-2006, 20:27
i thought everyone used manual, i have been since i first started playing PES i hated how the ai dictated which player i was
if you guys let a winger free to roam into the box you deserve to concede... I played indoor soccer for real and its bloody hard to stop attacker from taking a shot from a cutback.. half a meter or so is enough space for attackers to take a shot..
In PES, It happen to me several time... but most of the time, I manage to stop the winger ...
anyway, if I'm in that cutback sitiation, try and crossing the ball by double tapping cross... sometime the ball goes to a free player at the other side of the penalty box... sometime I got a header out of it .. or a cracking volley..
ma-gi-co-
13-12-2006, 21:57
I was playing online last night and I always play either as Real or England. You can slate me all you want for choosing two great teams but that is not the subject I wanted to discuss. It is the cut-back goal I would like to talk about.
I played about 6 matches last night and every single player I played against (most choosing Brazil or Barcelona) scored every single one of their goals using the cut-back method. For those of you who do not know what a cut-back goal is I will explain. You get as close to the by-line as possible with a quick winger/forward and then you run straight upwards or downwards towards the goal mouth. You then just press pass :x: across goal and 9-times out of 10 you will score.
Now I can score a cut-back as well as any man but I simply refuse to. I would rather hang up my digital boots that score like that. It can't be fulfilling or fun to win games that way, can it? I won maybe 4 of the 6 games I played last night but I was just so annoyed that I couldn't defend that type of goal that I was forced to write this rant!
Please discuss!
i know the feeling mate as 1 of my buddys does that and it pisses me off because he trys to do it the whole game if you'r gonna do that then play fifa,pro evo is for playing fantasy football and its dead boring to play against some1 who just does cut backs althougth i can stop the majority of them its still defeats the purpose of pro evo its not just about wining its about wining and losing in style i and all my mates who are good prefer to lose to a great goal although i hate conceding a great goal as well as youl never hear the end of it
ma-gi-co-
13-12-2006, 22:13
i thought everyone used manual, i have been since i first started playing PES i hated how the ai dictated which player i was
i use manual too and type 5 cross.the thing that annoys me most about cut backs is thats its always the crap players who do it and its basically hit and hope as you dont have time to aim or controll the shot but when you take a great shot with good power the player skys it or when its an open goal and konami reward these shitstabbers instead of the quality players
tom pain
14-12-2006, 14:30
konami reward these shitstabbers instead of the quality players
Should the quality players be able to score than the crap player does though? Thus making any cut-back goals consolations?
Should the quality players be able to score than the crap player does though? Thus making any cut-back goals consolations?
I think this post needs an edit. Are u missing the word - More?
If u mean should they b able to score more - then no.
People are just saying - the poor style of play gets more rewards. In real life you dont see too many cut back goals, this is because, defenders dont let you walk round them and into the box. Nor does the goalkeeper dive before a shot is taken.
In PES, the cutback goal is not down to poor human control of a player, it is the fact it is too easy, and whatever formation u play it is nie on impossible to get players in the right positions. As you can only control one player at a time, if you fail to stop the man from getting past you, or only put him off a bit, as soon as the ball is passed into the box there is an attacker standing unmarked.
From my point of view, this is a bad way to play - its just no fun. Its ok to score he odd cutback goal, but for some ppl, its all they look to do, making the game very one dimensional and thusly boring. Some ppl call it skill, but it is just a routine that you learn and then use over and over and over and over and over and over...
Now I'm starting to get a bit annoyed...
yesterday night I was beaten 3 times in a row...
Once I was using Fiorentina beaten by Barcelona twice... then Villareal beaten by Inter ...
and they were all using cut backs to beat me...
I mean ... bloody hell... if you're using barca playing against fiorentia you should be able to shred me to pieces... without resorting to cut backs...
This inter guy is the worse... He just pass the ball to adriano and he just start spraying shots from outside the penalty area... and worse he manage to score from a cut back as well...
From my point of view, this is a bad way to play - its just no fun. Its ok to score he odd cutback goal, but for some ppl, its all they look to do, making the game very one dimensional and thusly boring. Some ppl call it skill, but it is just a routine that you learn and then use over and over and over and over and over and over...
I agree 7ames, the cut back goal is one dimensional and tedious BUT a chimp could learn the cut back goal.
It is fair enough to score the odd cut back goal or even concede one or two but your average cut back player can be predicted and therefore gives you the upper hand in knowing what he is going to do next.
I agree 7ames, the cut back goal is one dimensional and tedious BUT a chimp could learn the cut back goal.
It is fair enough to score the odd cut back goal or even concede one or two but your average cut back player can be predicted and therefore gives you the upper hand in knowing what he is going to do next.
Well to be honest, i am very good at cutting out this kind of goal. I only comment on this section because it is clearly annoying others and the one dimensional aspect of it is really annoying. I played with spain a few days ago, in 6 matches. ALL the games were against Brazil and all the ppl tried the cutback goal. I won all six and kept six clean sheets. I also needed my camera alot as i scored at least one special goal in every game. I spose it only annoys me when im on a good streak or im just playing well and having good games, then a stupid cutback mperson tries the cutback 100 times in a game and i let 2 past me and lose or draw. Its just a poor way to play.
ma-gi-co-
16-12-2006, 22:39
Should the quality players be able to score than the crap player does though? Thus making any cut-back goals consolations?
sure i still win but the point is it gets so boring and they wouldnt do it all time if didnt work so well,i dont mind people doing it but its the fact that that is their plan of attack every time they get ball every game get the ball run run run cut back shoot get the ball again run run run cut back shoot and a hit and hope shot aswell mite i add what the point of playing a simulation if you'r gonna play like that i only play my mate who does that if i got know 1 else to play
ma-gi-co-
16-12-2006, 22:40
Should the quality players be able to score than the crap player does though? Thus making any cut-back goals consolations?
so i guess you're one of those players then that just do cut backs
ma-gi-co-
16-12-2006, 22:47
I think this post needs an edit. Are u missing the word - More?
If u mean should they b able to score more - then no.
People are just saying - the poor style of play gets more rewards. In real life you dont see too many cut back goals, this is because, defenders dont let you walk round them and into the box. Nor does the goalkeeper dive before a shot is taken.
In PES, the cutback goal is not down to poor human control of a player, it is the fact it is too easy, and whatever formation u play it is nie on impossible to get players in the right positions. As you can only control one player at a time, if you fail to stop the man from getting past you, or only put him off a bit, as soon as the ball is passed into the box there is an attacker standing unmarked.
From my point of view, this is a bad way to play - its just no fun. Its ok to score he odd cutback goal, but for some ppl, its all they look to do, making the game very one dimensional and thusly boring. Some ppl call it skill, but it is just a routine that you learn and then use over and over and over and over and over and over...
whats worse about it is that you dont even need skill to doit you just press x and shoot and point towards the goal and its usualy on target yet if you are a good player and you shoot from close range even open goal sometimes the shot goes miles over the bar even if you give it the slightest touches
I do agree that cut-backs get annoying...very quickly, and that is why I try to avoid playing new people. I usually can find 10-15 friends (people I have played previously) that are usually online, who I know enjoy playing a more tactical, sophisticated game. Some of these players are far superior to my skills and can beat me regularly, I will admit, but they beat me because they are better tacticians, they build-up their attacks extremely well, they score gorgeous goals, they know the nuances of the games and their teams. These are the games and players I enjoy playing, win or loose. I don't care if I loose all my games really...I enjoy matching skills and wits agains some great players.
If you hate playing people who are just looking for an easy Win regardless of how cheap, then try to find quality oppenents, and populate yoru friends list
dezmontutu
31-05-2007, 12:35
its cos they cant knock the ball about and score from 20 yard... let them do it..........
easy way to defend it is to use super cancel to drop off (stand off) and give them a decision to make (while calling for second defender).
bless the amatuers
liverpool1287
02-06-2007, 23:37
i agree with you but surly if you let all the way to the by-line you need to;
a)choose a better tactic to prevent this.
or
b) work on your defending.
im sure its not b) you need so try a) i did that before and now when i play they try it ast first and eventually find out it aint going to work :)
dec28291
02-06-2007, 23:45
the only way you can reduce cut back goals is to rather than have a lb or rb have a cwp. these guys stay back longer and allow you to tackle the player before they can execute this dirty little trick.
worked for me
AgentZero
02-06-2007, 23:46
great way to score a injury time goal!
theres way to defend against it, so its legit
dec28291
02-06-2007, 23:55
yeah but there should be ways to make the ai more responsive based upon player position, ability and difficulty. from Beginner to Top Player I ahve always been able to score 2 or 3 cut-back goals and win by a goal. In real life a team like barca or real or even Man Utd wouldn't allow this to happen more than once. Note the words Real Life. It's just a game move on
liverpool1287
03-06-2007, 14:41
set your RB and LB players to strong defence and postion them just behind your CB(s) this should make it harder for them to excute this tricky to defend against move :) lol
djrobinmac
31-07-2007, 02:20
cut backs are 4players who cant play evo, its great 2c a great 30yarder or a volly/header, instead of cutbacks, an odd 1 is fine, but wen u play sum1 who does it alllllll the time, they are a bad pes player FACT!!!!!
great way to score a injury time goal!
theres way to defend against it, so its legit
That comment is disgusting.
The cut-back goal is known worldwide for being "gay", that is the correct name for it in many parts, 'A Gay Goal'. There is ways to defend it, but it's still a cheap goal, mainly due to the defenders seemingly going walkies whenever some cheap crap player attempts this sly trick. The goalkeepers always seem to leap out of the way leaving a wide-open goal for the more than likely Adriano to tap it in. In my view, it's cheating to be fair and in the League I play in (PELLUK) it is frowned upon more than rape.
I prefer to play with Paris Saint German since they're my team in the League, and I need to find their best formation and adapt to them. Plus they're not a "slag team" as it's called, they're an average side with a few nice gems. I sometimes just click Random as well, as it makes it far more enjoyable when you find shit teams who surprisingly play well and score the odd cracking goal. Whereas constantly playing with someone like Inter, Brazil, Chelsea, Barcelona, Real Madrid etc, I find horribly cheap.
I'd rather punch myself in the face than score a cut-back goal, thank you.
greenegg
31-07-2007, 12:13
In my part of the world the goal is known as "The Cheeky cu(n)t back"
I avoid doing it against mates and online but if some bell end does it to me I will do it back, revenge is sweet. Also on top player in an important game if I am frustrated I will whip out the cut back. I know it is wrong but at times I have to fall foul of it. I think I need to go to a support group.
cut backs are for slags that can't play real football!! theres nothing better than rippin a defence apart with 1-2s an great teamwork or seeing a header or volley fly in!!
any muppet can run down the wing with robben, ronaldinho, messi, robinho, kaka, adriano, etc but its just too easy and is exploited by the t*****s in ranked mode whose rank is everything. You can always spot them a mile off too as they'll play 424 or 433, they go all out defend then when they get the ball switch to all out attack and go straight for the flanks!
Anyone who wants to play good football go to www.pelluk.co.uk and join a great community which is all about good football.
djrobinmac
02-08-2007, 02:14
cutbacks out, ur pro evo lge sounds and looks good, is there nethin like that 4 ps?
cutbacks out, ur pro evo lge sounds and looks good, is there nethin like that 4 ps?
Theres not mate, sorry. but theres loadsa PES chat on there if you wanna join up. You should buy a 360!
djrobinmac
05-08-2007, 18:52
all well, am playin my evo on ps3 so kinda skint lol
I was playing in an ML cup today and in all of my 3 games i played, i was against ppl will a full or near full classic team and with 3 or more ppl upfront. All three opponents ONLY tryed the cutback, nothing else. I won 1 game, drew 1 game and was drawing the third. I was all over him and then he got a cutback goal against the run of play. I d/c'd straight away as it is no longer fun to play online. I dont care what ppl say about how easy it is to defend against the cut back goal, the point is, in order to enjoy the game, which is all i wanna do, i have to try to cut out this stupid game fault goal and the game should not be about this. All the high ranking players either cheat or use the cut back goal and this makes the game 1 dimensional and boring so i dont care if i defend for the whole game and not conceed. Watching the right and left wings run down the line, turn and then try to pass along the box is boring - simple as.
I really hope this 'teamview' or whatever it is - works in HUMAN vs HUMAN games and not only human vs computer games! If this IS the case, it will benifit me as i attack in a variety of ways and the opposition players will not know how to defend and my players will simply tigght mark the cutback wingers of ACTUALLY POSITION THEMSELVES PROPERLY in the box ready to simple hack, or pass the ball away.
Now that I play online I finally see what all the fuss is about. It really annoys me playing against people who use this tactic.
It's very boring. I need to find more people like myself. I also find it annoying that people always seem to pick the big teams. Where's the variety!
Charlie: 9
08-08-2007, 22:13
Now that I play online I finally see what all the fuss is about. It really annoys me playing against people who use this tactic.
It's very boring. I need to find more people like myself. I also find it annoying that people always seem to pick the big teams. Where's the variety!
I hate the square ball goals, theyre utter shite goals for people who cant break down your defence and arent creative. When you confront them about it theyll say that its hard work to break down the right or left flank and get space to make the square ball or 'cut back' - Cunts.
Latino; do you use the 360?
Latino; do you use the 360?
No sorry amigo, Playstation 3 owner.
You're lucky, I would just hand your arse on a plate if given the chance.
I'm good :cool:
Charlie: 9
08-08-2007, 22:21
No sorry amigo, Playstation 3 owner.
You're lucky, I would just hand your arse on a plate if given the chance.
I'm good :cool:
:ok:
Given my recent online form, being pretty poor, I would have to say that I would beat you with just a 1-0 scoreline.
i hate the cunts who always pick inter. then i just bring my A game and completely demolish them
Charlie: 9
08-08-2007, 22:28
i hate the cunts who always pick inter. then i just bring my A game and completely demolish them
I only do Player Matches now, thinking that people experiment and try different teams, formations, players and such; I was wrong.
Inter, Brazil, Chelsea and United are the teams I mainly come up against.
yah, and when you pick a mediocre team, you'd think the guy would have a bit of sense and pick a team of the same ability, but alas, no.
Charlie: 9
08-08-2007, 22:43
November we will see, Latino ;)
yah, and when you pick a mediocre team, you'd think the guy would have a bit of sense and pick a team of the same ability, but alas, no.
I usualy opt for Spurs, Benfica and teams like that, butit would depend on who the other player picks, Id try to at least give them a game of it.
liljovi93
06-10-2007, 21:00
Yeah, i too hate cut - backs... i mostly lose to them, im always chattin to my mate on msn as im playing and i lose nearly every game through that. He must think im crap haha! but even he says its cheating on that. I dont no whether it is like but i do hate it
Original?
06-10-2007, 21:13
For those defending the 'cut-back' goal, the AI is defective it should not occur that frequently and players set up their tactics specifically to exploit that defect. It's very poor form and would be considered cheating in most online games.
herohonda777
06-10-2007, 21:39
I am sure that this was noticed by konami and they stated that it would be harder in pes2008 to do cut backs and it will be totally eliminated somthing like that?
but remember use your tactics dude, I have clearly smashed these cut back people .. i tharsh them will slide tackle after slide tackle its the best option and play them on the counter while there players are down and injured, if they wana play cheap so can you , easy solved.
Original?
06-10-2007, 21:59
I am sure that this was noticed by konami and they stated that it would be harder in pes2008 to do cut backs and it will be totally eliminated somthing like that?
but remember use your tactics dude, I have clearly smashed these cut back people .. i tharsh them will slide tackle after slide tackle its the best option and play them on the counter while there players are down and injured, if they wana play cheap so can you , easy solved.
I'm not saying that I can't, though in a laggy game it becomes far more difficult. Defending against the cut-back is rather simple but it doesn't stop it from being a very cheap tactic.
Charlie: 9
07-10-2007, 09:39
Online games, ranked or player, I wouldnt yse cut backs unless the other person had done it to me first, if I cut back every chance I got Id be undefeated.
I don't mind people using cut backs in games, as it happens in real life.
What I do mind, and I have a friend that used to do this ALL the time...
He'd usually be Arsenal and play 4-3-3, he would play Henry and Wiltord out wide (right in the corner) and would play through balls to them and cut it back to Bergkamp.
Bastard.
Even man marking them and making my full backs super-defensive, the tactic was undefendable.
Stella Artois
07-10-2007, 21:49
Me and my mates have a gentleman's agreement not to do it. One of our friends is a cheap bastard who continually did it, so we all agreed to stop playing him. That soon stopped it. :laugh:
Dragonfly
07-10-2007, 21:55
I don't mind people using cut backs in games, as it happens in real life.
What I do mind, and I have a friend that used to do this ALL the time...
He'd usually be Arsenal and play 4-3-3, he would play Henry and Wiltord out wide (right in the corner) and would play through balls to them and cut it back to Bergkamp.
Bastard.
Even man marking them and making my full backs super-defensive, the tactic was undefendable.
Which version do you play? :unsure:
Well this one was the one we played an awful lot, PES4 I believe.
AgentZero
07-10-2007, 22:53
it is a rather cheap goal but a goal nonetheless. With me and my mates its certainly not replay worthy, except if its those backheel flick finishes
pw121073
16-10-2007, 09:32
I HAVE JUST STARTED PLAYING ONLINE AS i HAVE BOUGHT A PS3 FOR THE RELEASE OF PES 2008. REALLY ENJOYING IT BECAUSE ITS LIKE A NEW GAME I CLASS MYSELF AS A REASONABLE PLAYER BUT WHEN I STARTED ONLINE I WAS GETTING BATTERED I AM NOW GETTING USE TO IT BUT CAN NOW UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN GOING ON ABOUT THE CUT BACK GOOALS ARE FRUSTRATING BUT I THINK I AM LEARNING TO DEFEND THEM BUT WHAT REALLY ANNOYS ME IS THAT WHEN I PLAY SOMEONE WHO IS RANKED HIGHER THAN ME AND I PUT IN A REALLY GOOD PERFORMANCE WHICH GIVES ME A REAL BUZZ COS I WANT TO GET UP THE RANKING THEY JUST DISCONNECT WHICH LEAVES YOU WITH NOTHING. I WAS 4- 1 UP AGAINST A DIV 2 PLAYER WHEN 89 MINUTES WAS ON THE CLOCK HE DISCONNECTED HOW PI**ED OFF I WAS.
Stella Artois
16-10-2007, 13:21
Try tapping the button to the left of the 'A' key.
I HAVE JUST STARTED PLAYING ONLINE AS i HAVE BOUGHT A PS3 FOR THE RELEASE OF PES 2008. REALLY ENJOYING IT BECAUSE ITS LIKE A NEW GAME I CLASS MYSELF AS A REASONABLE PLAYER BUT WHEN I STARTED ONLINE I WAS GETTING BATTERED I AM NOW GETTING USE TO IT BUT CAN NOW UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN GOING ON ABOUT THE CUT BACK GOOALS ARE FRUSTRATING BUT I THINK I AM LEARNING TO DEFEND THEM BUT WHAT REALLY ANNOYS ME IS THAT WHEN I PLAY SOMEONE WHO IS RANKED HIGHER THAN ME AND I PUT IN A REALLY GOOD PERFORMANCE WHICH GIVES ME A REAL BUZZ COS I WANT TO GET UP THE RANKING THEY JUST DISCONNECT WHICH LEAVES YOU WITH NOTHING. I WAS 4- 1 UP AGAINST A DIV 2 PLAYER WHEN 89 MINUTES WAS ON THE CLOCK HE DISCONNECTED HOW PI**ED OFF I WAS.
If he dc dont you just get a 3-0 win? thats what happens on xbox.
MatTheCat
20-10-2007, 14:09
There is a cheating way of DC so the either the 3-0 is not registered or sometimes the honest player is given the 3-0!!!
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