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Ok, here talk about England National Team ;)
Didn't know where to put it, so I decided to put it in Club Threads :)
so, what do you all think about England?
So your from manchester with a Kaka avatar...owned you
So your from manchester with a Kaka avatar...owned you
;) Yes. Don't support Manchester United though, support Tottenham, recently moved from there...
They have one of the best squads in the world but don't perform.
a national team in the club section :huh: im sure there is a thread like this
So awesome they continued with their impressive streak of putting me to sleep before the end of the first half.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Cannon ball
06-06-2007, 22:43
So your from manchester with a Kaka avatar...owned you
Don't assume everyone from Manchester is a United fan.;)
Yeah, the majority are faggots, sorry, City fans ;)
Cannon ball
06-06-2007, 23:00
Right on que, its the cockneys and southerners that support the American Team.;)
Queue
Those Southerners can spell, too ;)
Cannon ball
06-06-2007, 23:27
And they know how to bandwagon jump.;)
Bammers05
07-06-2007, 17:18
So awesome they continued with their impressive streak of putting me to sleep before the end of the first half.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
:laugh:
So awesome they continued with their impressive streak of putting me to sleep before the end of the first half.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Lol ;)
AgentZero
09-06-2007, 00:08
wtf is stuart pearce coaching th u21s!
AgentZero
09-06-2007, 11:34
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/4283/pearaceget4122ai8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
i wonder who hes telling off?
Cannon ball
09-06-2007, 11:45
Its a good thing he's U21 boss, means Onouha and Hart will play, I wish him well and hope the young lions win the whole thing. Good chance they will.
i think England would be class if they performed. they have lots of decent players. i hope they get into euro 2008
do not put england with penalty's, :laugh: lita you clown
AgentZero
21-06-2007, 00:06
Karma anyone? The netherland scored when there was an english player down.
Stella Artois
21-06-2007, 18:11
Karma in what way? Did we act like animals when it happened? No.
Think, then type.
Cannon ball
21-06-2007, 18:35
Karma anyone? The netherland scored when there was an english player down.
The 2 incidents can not be compared. Taylor didnt lie on the ground for 2 minutes like that Serbia player did, at least he got up and tried defending. England didnt all charge towards Rigters like Serbia did to Derbyshire.
AgentZero
21-06-2007, 23:53
well it just seems unfortunate doesnt it that the dutch scored when you had a player down and they were aware of it aswel + the supposed high foot being overlooked.
EDIT: Anyways i never implied England deserved it, just the circumstances were similar, that what i ment by 'karma'.
Original?
22-06-2007, 00:36
well it just seems unfortunate doesnt it that the dutch scored when you had a player down and they were aware of it aswel + the supposed high foot being overlooked.
EDIT: Anyways i never implied England deserved it, just the circumstances were similar, that what i ment by 'karma'.
Well unfortunately what happened and what you intended appear to differ substantially. I do wonder why... :rolleyes:
AgentZero
22-06-2007, 00:43
Fair go. Although what I implied it at first was in a semi-sarcastic manner.
The phrase 'what goes around comes around' seemed rather appropriate, so I typed 'Karma anyone?'.
Anyone watching u21 England vs Romania?
Yah who scored the goal for England.
1-1 Romania score off a free kick.
I haven't been sleeping well lately, so hopefully England can keep up their impressive record of making me fall asleep for the twelth consecutive game.
Yah who scored the goal for England.
Derbyshire.
Half time right now. Its kinda boring.:(
Cannon ball
21-08-2007, 23:15
I can imagine the England game tommorow very well. It will be a dull, low scoring defeat or draw, Michael Owen playing, not fully fit and doing nothing, Jermain Defoe coming on for the last 5 minutes and doing bugger all, Keiron Dyer playing in god only knows what position and at the end of it all McClaren droning on about how we've learnt more things about the players and some invisible positives to take heart from. Thats how England friendlies are.
The problem for England is the horrible midfield. Lampard goes up way too much and when he gets the ball he kicks it out of the stadium. He forces the rest of the midfield to stay back and defend. England also need a real left midfielder. I would probably prefer Lennon but Joe Cole is great for Chelsea. Without Gerrard in the middle, I think the final score will be 1-1 against Germany. As for the Euro 2008, maybe England will qualify next time around.
AgentZero
22-08-2007, 01:40
who was the bloke that had the rant in the homepage, good read that.
Robinson was horrible against Germany. He gave the ball to Kuranyi to score. He was the most hilarious goalkeeper out on the pitch. That is not easy to do considering that Lehmann was also on the pitch.
Over the past year, James, Carson, Foster and Green have all been better than Robinson in my opinion.
Prefer Carson to start...then robinson.
I think James has two more years left in him. After that its all Carson.
Over the past year, James, Carson, Foster and Green have all been better than Robinson in my opinion.
Aye, agreed.
Robinson's a one save wonder.
To be totally honest, the best all-round keeper England have is either Carson or Foster. They don't seem to have any standout weakness.
I'd say James deserves the #1 shirt the most following his Pompey performances. However his purple patch will surely come to an end in the near future with him ageing I feel. Plus, I'm still not 100% confident in him, dodgy kicking at times and isn't always reassuring coming off his line. But good on him for earning his recall though.
What did you guys think of Micheal Owen against Germany. I thought he was a bit rusty. He missed an open goal after that monkey Lehmann gave him the ball. Other than that, I thought he did rather well.
Owen, to me did alright.
I like Owen, grew up as a young lad watching him (I'm only 17 now like, but still). I felt he was quite sharp, and had a real poacher feel about him. Yeah big deal he missed the open goal, but in that situation, on the angle and on the turn we have seen many other players miss too.
For me it's a great releif to still see him getting on the end of passes/crosses and the goals will come anytime soon. Don't forget the goalbound header that Lehmann did very well to save. He'll be fine will Michael.
England played well just unlucky on the first goal conceded and a bit at fault in the second. They had better of the attacking position I felt. I think because Gerrard was not in the side as well as Rooney the side moves the ball better. Sometimes small named work horses like Richards and Shorey are good for the team.
Edit: And I'm not singling out Gerrard and Rooney. I meant that if Lampard is in, then Gerrard out. If Rooney is in, then Owen out.
Preki-USA
23-08-2007, 04:35
McClaren is a fucking disaster! Kieron Dyer as a striker? Make Becks fly all the way to play on his injured ankle!? If Hargreaves and Gerrard could have the night off I don't see why Beckham had to play.
Kevthedrummer
23-08-2007, 10:12
Can't get my head around Kieron Dyer as a striker... It makes absolutely no sense at all!
He has good pase but he cannot finnish... at all!
And our goalkeeper situation is also a nightmare.
wrathchild_uk
23-08-2007, 10:30
Why play Dyer as a striker when Defoe was on the bench..
Why play Dyer as a striker when Defoe was on the bench..
I couldn't understand that either. I think McClaren to be honest is 'clueless'. Dyer has over 30 caps and yet to score. Why the fuck do you play him as striker ? is it to break his duck?
AgentZero
23-08-2007, 12:57
while defoe is on the bench
EDIT: Funny enough that friendly was game of the world cup assistants, Loew wins in every department, especially looks.
wrigh2uk
23-08-2007, 13:34
How does Dyer EVEN get in the England squad everytime!!!!
Cannon ball
23-08-2007, 15:52
It was a typical, England friendly performance.
There were some positives. Richards and Joe Coles performances were very good, should Richards now be first choice right back because Neville has been so injury hit? Joe Cole looks to be coming back to his best. Lampard played well, but only because Gerrard wasnt there and Shorey played alright. Shaun Wright-Phillips played very well on the left flank when he came on, took on players, beat them, this kind of flair is what England are sorely lacking.
Robinson has got to be dropped. His clownish atics are just embarrasing, first the Croatia show, starring Gary Neville and Borat, now this. Beckham looked jaded and unfit, and I dont think should be in the squad, his international days are over and SWP should play on that right side. Wes Brown is crap and only gets in the team because he plays for a big club, Dyer is only in the squad because of McClaren's obssesion with players who have/playing for/have connections with North East based teams, Alan Smith is useless upfront and Defoe shouldnt even be in the squad. The guy is not a first team regular at club level and hasnt started a game this season, you should only have players who are playing regularly. Get rid of Dyer and Smith, who are both idiots to boot. I would rather have Heskey in the team then Smith, who I think gets alot of unfair stick.
Keyser Soze
23-08-2007, 15:59
The thing that pissed me off was the one main positives to come from the first half was Micah Richard's bombing down the right hand-side into the box, so Mclaren changed it - for Wes Brown who is the definition of average. Joe Cole, probably England's best player going forward on the night, was taken off for SWP to play out of position for 20 minutes when there was a half-fit Beckham struggling to finish the game. Have some fucking ambition man, even if it is a friendly. Wright-Phillips deserved a half of football playing on the right-hand side to show Mclaren what he can do.
Jesus christ. Don't even get me started on Dyer either.
Even as a Liverpool fan, I still think Andrew Johnson should start up front with Peter Crouch. Dyer is utter shit and Defoe doesn't even get to start for Spurs. Don't understand Wes Brown is in there in the back. Mclaren getting fired is long overdue but the stupid FA is too stubborn to admit they made a mistake putting Mclaren as manager in the first place.
It was a typical, England friendly performance.
There were some positives. Richards and Joe Coles performances were very good, should Richards now be first choice right back because Neville has been so injury hit? Joe Cole looks to be coming back to his best. Lampard played well, but only because Gerrard wasnt there and Shorey played alright. Shaun Wright-Phillips played very well on the left flank when he came on, took on players, beat them, this kind of flair is what England are sorely lacking.
Robinson has got to be dropped. His clownish atics are just embarrasing, first the Croatia show, starring Gary Neville and Borat, now this. Beckham looked jaded and unfit, and I dont think should be in the squad, his international days are over and SWP should play on that right side. Wes Brown is crap and only gets in the team because he plays for a big club, Dyer is only in the squad because of McClaren's obssesion with players who have/playing for/have connections with North East based teams, Alan Smith is useless upfront and Defoe shouldnt even be in the squad. The guy is not a first team regular at club level and hasnt started a game this season, you should only have players who are playing regularly. Get rid of Dyer and Smith, who are both idiots to boot. I would rather have Heskey in the team then Smith, who I think gets alot of unfair stick.What's that I hear? Oh yes it's someone talking shit.
Cannon ball
23-08-2007, 17:36
Did I touch a nerve here?
Hmmm, North East players in the squad? Taylor, Dyer, Smith, Downing, Owen. Yeah, its all my head, one who knows all.
Did I touch a nerve here?
Hmmm, North East players in the squad? Taylor, Dyer, Smith, Downing, Owen. Yeah, its all my head, one who knows all.Touch a nerve? you're talking shite.
Downing was in a few times under Sven, Dyer has been a regular in the squad for the past decade, Smith was in when he was at Man Utd, oh and that Owen fella, obviously he wouldn't be picked if he wasn't playing in the North East.
Fair enough Taylor has never been picked before but so what? I could say oh he's only picking players in and around the North West due to his Man Utd connections, but guess what? I'd also be talking as much as shite as you are.
wrigh2uk
23-08-2007, 17:52
It was a typical, England friendly performance.
There were some positives. Richards and Joe Coles performances were very good, should Richards now be first choice right back because Neville has been so injury hit? Joe Cole looks to be coming back to his best. Lampard played well, but only because Gerrard wasnt there and Shorey played alright. Shaun Wright-Phillips played very well on the left flank when he came on, took on players, beat them, this kind of flair is what England are sorely lacking.
Robinson has got to be dropped. His clownish atics are just embarrasing, first the Croatia show, starring Gary Neville and Borat, now this. Beckham looked jaded and unfit, and I dont think should be in the squad, his international days are over and SWP should play on that right side. Wes Brown is crap and only gets in the team because he plays for a big club, Dyer is only in the squad because of McClaren's obssesion with players who have/playing for/have connections with North East based teams, Alan Smith is useless upfront and Defoe shouldnt even be in the squad. The guy is not a first team regular at club level and hasnt started a game this season, you should only have players who are playing regularly. Get rid of Dyer and Smith, who are both idiots to boot. I would rather have Heskey in the team then Smith, who I think gets alot of unfair stick.
Nope.
Shaun Wright Phillip and Lennon for that instance are good players to bring on when your oppostion is nackered or when you need to change your style of play, but 90mins? don't think so.
They'd both run out of ideas and energy after 45mins. Beckham on the other hand knows how to pace himself over 90 minutes plus is experienced to say the least.
Cannon ball
23-08-2007, 17:54
Dyer was dropped towards the World Cup and Downing didnt play that much under Eriksson. McClaren comes along, Dyer is recalled and Downing has played alot under him, alot more then he did under Eriksson.
Dyer was dropped towards the World Cup and Downing didnt play that much under Eriksson. McClaren comes along, Dyer is recalled and Downing has played alot under him, alot more then he did under Eriksson.The same Sven who used to always bang on about Dyer and how much he always wanted him to be fit? Oh no it must have been that other one. Dropped towards the World Cup? ah right that must have been because he wasn't fit.
Or am I wrong? or are you making up facts again such as claiming McClaren picks players because they are from the North East?
I wonder what's the specialties of North east players?
I wonder what's the specialties of North east players?Obviously their ties with North East clubs.
With that in mind in the next squad expect Michael Chopra, Nyron Nosworthy (Cannon Ball's dream ticket), Nicky Butt, Shola Ameobi, Andrew Davies and Dean Whitehead all in the next squad.
Cannon ball
23-08-2007, 18:30
Dyer was dropped because of better players ahead of him like SWP, Beckham and Joe Cole, and probably because he wasnt that good. I dont think fitness had anything to do with it, I cant remember him being injured then. Seeing as McClaren did most of his management in the North East, he could easily show bias to players based there. Im not saying his whole England squad is players who play for the likes of Sunderland, and so on, but he shows bias towards some players from there.
Dyer was dropped because of better players ahead of him like SWP, Beckham and Joe Cole, and probably because he wasnt that good. I dont think fitness had anything to do with it, I cant remember him being injured then. Seeing as McClaren did most of his management in the North East, he could easily show bias to players based there. Im not saying his whole England squad is players who play for the likes of Sunderland, and so on, but he shows bias towards some players from there.No Dyer wasn't actually considered fit enough to go to the World Cup. SWP also never made the WC 2006 squad if you don't remember that.
It's no secret I don't like Kieron Dyer, it's no secret I don't rate Kieron Dyer, but the fact is you were saying McClaren only picked him due to his North East ties which I've proved is not the case.
Preki-USA
24-08-2007, 06:12
Johnny you're on the defensive and I don't know why. There are some truly awful players in your squad and McClaren has shown no reason for who he picks. You guys have a great league, but all the players are overrated and it seems McClaren is buying right into it.
England have arranged a friendly with Austria ahead of their final Euro 2008 qualifier with Croatia in November.
The Football Association has confirmed England will meet the Euro 2008 co-hosts in Vienna on Friday 16th November.
The match comes five days before the Wembley qualifier with Croatia, which could determine whether England reach next summer's tournament.
Steve McClaren, whose side lost 2-1 to Germany on Wednesday, is looking forward to the match at the Ernst Happel Stadium.
"It's an exciting opportunity to play against good opposition ahead of what will be a tough qualification game against Croatia," said McClaren.
"We have a busy autumn ahead of us, with four qualifiers at home and Russia away and we remain confident that we will still have our Euro 2008 fate in our own hands in November."
Austria drew 1-1 with Czech Republic in midweek and coach Josef Hickersberger feels a game with England will provide his squad with vital experience ahead of Euro 2008.
Hickersberger said: "I'm really looking forward to this game against England. It will be a very important experience for our team.
"Steve McClaren's squad is one of Europe's best teams, the game will be the highlight of the year - for our players and also for the Austrian supporters."
I wonder how much friendly they have in a year?
I wonder how much friendly they have in a year?
By the way they play and communicate with each other, you'd think only one or two.
Johnny you're on the defensive and I don't know why. There are some truly awful players in your squad and McClaren has shown no reason for who he picks. You guys have a great league, but all the players are overrated and it seems McClaren is buying right into it.Because Cannon Ball is talking shite that is why. :happy:
I wonder how much friendly they have in a year?
Too many- we need the Home Nations back as a biennial event. Home and away, six games, eliminating a few friendlies.
I see.
That's why English are restless.
Cannon ball
24-08-2007, 23:02
Because Cannon Ball is talking shite that is why. :happy:
Perfect sense to me.
SWP scored. Looked offside to me.
AgentZero
09-09-2007, 05:28
ditto but it was marginal defo benefit of the doubt.
CaptainCabinet
09-09-2007, 10:26
SWP scored. Looked offside to me.
ditto but it was marginal defo benefit of the doubt.
Ladies and gentlemen, the offside rule;
If any legal part of the attackers body is behind or level with any legal part of the defenders body this is onside.
SWP was more than completely level when he scored, not even a question of offside. Brilliantly timed run and finish from the little lad.
jak barz
09-09-2007, 10:30
Well said. SWP to start on wed ;)
I liked the england team that played vs Israel and i thought the players came in did very well (SWP, Barry, Heskey)
I would like to see the england football team selection done like the cricket teams selection. I was watching England vs India and there was a batsman in the england line up id never seen playing for england and he got over 100 in one innings and the commentators said that he had been in form for his county.
If england picked in form players it would benifit the whole team. The players coming in would try hard (heskey, Richards) and start to force the players that were replaced to work hard to get back in. Will neville play again if Richards is fit? he will have to work damn hard.
If i was McClaren, i would pick the same team (injury permitting) as they have had a game now, played well and their confidence is high. Leave Lampard out and keep heskey. I'll be at the game on wednesday COME ON ENGLAND
Duke Dick
12-09-2007, 22:20
I'll repost seeing as sweey likes acting like a gash:
Yeah right; but I forgot, nobody gives a shit abput ROI barn you cunt.
Now back to england. My match analysis (not all players included):
Barry was damn good all game; if mclaren drops him for Lampard or Hargreaves then he really is a daft shaft eating bell
Being a blues fan, I've always had a soft spot for Heskey even though he is shit, so i'm glad to see him doing the business again. plus Crouch was shite when he came on
Micah Richards is shit hot
Ashley cole must have been getting anally assaulted during the half time interval because for the first 10 minutes of the second half he looked comfortable getting raped by a russian winger
Guus Hiddink is a fat cunt who should have kept his mouth shut in the build up; as they say; the fatter the cunt, the harder they fall.
Wright Phillips was wank second half, well most game tbh, but the overall performance made him look decent
Michael Owen will be the highest scoring English goalscorer by the end of euro 2008
Gerrard is better than Lampard. PERIOD
I agree with Duke apart from Wright Phillips who was poor all game, he flatters to decieve. Owen is class but it will probably next season that he is Englands record scorer.
Posted this in the Man Yoo thread about Richards so might as well copy it into here as well.
I think he's a lot better at right-back than centre half IMO even though that's were he has starred for Citeh this season. At least at full-back his pace and power can get him out of sticky situations that he can get himself into at times, as I feel he doesn't read the game that great and sometimes makes rash decisions, where at full-back these aren't exposed as much as they would be playing as a centre half internationally. Plenty of time on the lad's side though. A physical monster though, there's no doubt about that.
Richards has come in and not let England down so doesn't deserve to be dropped, Neville has been one of the best full-backs of the past decade and has never let the side down, so it's a tough one.
Dragonfly
13-09-2007, 18:33
What about Rooney for Heskey? It may seem like an obvious choice to have Rooney start with Owen, but I've never really been to convinced with that partnership. Maybe it's not their fault, maybe it's the instrucions given to the midfielders and defenders, because they seem insistent to send long balls up to them, when they're clearly too short to play like that. We don't seem to be too good at playing the ball on the ground and feeding balls to the forwards, so I think Heskey and Owen up front is more effective partnership. I think Owen prefers to play with a big man.
Well, there's a month or so until the next game, so the performances in the Premiership could change minds. Heskey has more to prove still, since Wigan's fortunes could change for the worse, and it's as easy for Man Utd's to change for the better - people would say it's down to Rooney.
What about Rooney for Heskey? It may seem like an obvious choice to have Rooney start with Owen, but I've never really been to convinced with that partnership. Maybe it's not their fault, maybe it's the instrucions given to the midfielders and defenders, because they seem insistent to send long balls up to them, when they're clearly too short to play like that. We don't seem to be too good at playing the ball on the ground and feeding balls to the forwards, so I think Heskey and Owen up front is more effective partnership. I think Owen prefers to play with a big man.
Well, there's a month or so until the next game, so the performances in the Premiership could change minds. Heskey has more to prove still, since Wigan's fortunes could change for the worse, and it's as easy for Man Utd's to change for the better - people would say it's down to Rooney.You'd think though that Rooney would be the ideal foil for Owen due to his vision and reading of the game, but you're completely right with the long ball style we do tend to play not playing to both players strengths. I think this all stems down to the fact our midfield as individuals don't possess that technical guile if you will to play the possession game, the one touch style that negates to being a top team at International football, they don't have neither the patience or ability to do so. Well that's my opinion anyways, we do have one player who can do this who is playing for Manchester United, thanks for that Sven.
We're still missing a creative spark at times there's no doubt about that, 20 years ago my team managed to sell Gascoigne, Beardsley and Waddle all in the short space of a few years. Those are the types of player this country needs to start producing again.
PESFan92
13-09-2007, 20:59
I just want to ask you a question. The sqaud for the Qualifyers before yesterday and Saturday was; Robinson, Richards, Terry,Ferdinand,A.Cole, Beckham, Lampard, Gerrard, J.Cole, Rooney, Owen. Well would you drop the current England sqaud for that?. I've asked lots of people this. And the Majority said "Rooney for Heskey eh?" "Barry for Lampard". I said i would drop Rooney and Lampard for Barry and Heskey. Barry & Gerrard can play together in Midfield and Heskey & Owens partnership is Awesome. So Would you drop Lampard and Rooney for Barry and Heskey. For me Yes.
Dragonfly
13-09-2007, 21:36
If they continue the current form, then yes. But, there's a month until the next game, so performances could change. If Rooney was to play brilliantly until the next game, then maybe start him, but definitely have Heskey on the bench.
mufcsean
13-09-2007, 21:40
Wee shouldnt need Rooney for a team like andorra, am i right that we will only be playing one qualifier next time the squad is picked, against Andorra, we could pick the under 21's for that game
yeah i agree we should give the youngsters a try
I assume that youngsters wouldn't get to play very much with all the other players.
Maybe they will play good at U21.
mufcsean
15-09-2007, 17:30
Well heskey has broken his metatarsel (sp?) so i doubt he will be in the next squad
looks like rooney is going straight back into the national team
Keyser Soze
15-09-2007, 18:20
Relief for Mclaren in a way, I guess.
Original?
15-09-2007, 20:36
Relief for Mclaren in a way, I guess.
Agreed, imagine him having to pick a team... the only one he's got right was the one he was forced into by injury.
Ahh yes, the beauty of the injury bug. Barca got it with Eto and now they don't have to worry about rotation between there strikers.
--------------------------Robinson----------------------------
Richards---------Ferdinand--------Campbell------------A.Cole
Wright-Phillips------Gerrard--------Barry---------------J.Cole
---------------------------Rooney--------------------------
---------------------------Owen-----------------------------
There is a good balance in the side, with the exception of Wright-Phillips and Robinson it looks like Englands best possible team even if all players were fit.
Cannon ball
13-10-2007, 13:50
Im not sure about Joseph Cole on the left, he is Englands most technically gifted player and they will never get the best out of him on that flank.
Your right that its not best for Joe Cole but its best for England.
It should be...
---------------------------James----------------------------
Richards---------Ferdinand--------Campbell------------A.Cole
J.Cole---------------Gerrard--------Lampard------------Barry
---------------------------Rooney--------------------------
---------------------------Owen-----------------------------
I hate to put Lampard in there, but he's got to play well for England eventually.
RB14 ARSENAL
13-10-2007, 14:21
Barry should start in the middle alongside Gerrard. He was so effective with Stevie vs Russia and Israel. When Lampard and Gerrard play together, they either both go forward or go too deep, however Barry is a great passer of the ball, has good vision and most important of all can tackle. Also, Lampard has just recovered from injury and should be on the bench until he starts playing well for Chelsea and proving himself worthy of starting again for England. Plus, if he has just come back from a lengthy injury, Chelsea won't want Frank to go and get injured again and be out for an even longer spell and make the injury worse than it was before.
Besides, he cant be match-fit yet, can he??
The thing is Gareth Barry's strengths like composure, decision making, passing and positioning mack him a quality centre midfielder.
His lack of pace unwillingness to get wide and lack of dribbling make him a more ineffective left midfielder.
Should win this game comfortably, I reckon 4-0. Our Under 21 side should be able beat these lot so if we don't it would be a joke.
--------------------------Robinson----------------------------
Richards---------Ferdinand--------Campbell------------A.Cole
Wright-Phillips------Gerrard--------Barry---------------J.Cole
---------------------------Rooney--------------------------
---------------------------Owen-----------------------------
There is a good balance in the side, with the exception of Wright-Phillips and Robinson it looks like Englands best possible team even if all players were fit.
I think it is time to whip out this bad boy - :smug:
RB14 ARSENAL
13-10-2007, 15:19
gr8 goal from swp, if there was a better keeper maybe he wouldn't have scored, but you can't take it away from him; he did make the goal as he made the run and micah slotted him through.
mufcsean
13-10-2007, 15:39
Good goal from SWP, lucky goal for Rooney but they all count and what a header by the Estonian guy, never seen a header go in from outside the box
Freestyle27
13-10-2007, 16:46
People leaving with 10+ minutes left, fecking joke. It might be a nightmare to get out of London but surley you would want to stay till the end when your countrys 3-0 up.
mufcsean
13-10-2007, 16:52
What a poor second half
Cannon ball
13-10-2007, 17:32
People leaving with 10+ minutes left, fecking joke. It might be a nightmare to get out of London but surley you would want to stay till the end when your countrys 3-0 up.
It was a poor second half though.
I think it is time to whip out this bad boy - :smug:
To be fair he took his goal well. After that he was back to his unproductive self. You should have waited then you would not have felt the need to be so smug. :smug:
To be fair he took his goal well. After that he was back to his unproductive self. You should have waited then you would not have felt the need to be so smug. :smug:
To be fair, the whole team didn't do much after the goal. They just saw the game out professionally without waisting anymore energy for the game on Wednesday.
Didn't catch the game, was Fat Lamps playing?
He came off the bench in the second half, Barry and Gerrard started in the middle.
mufcsean
14-10-2007, 14:30
Lampard got booed when he came on :laugh:
Lampard got booed when he came on :laugh:Absolutely disgraceful stuff.
mufcsean
14-10-2007, 14:37
Sorry but i thought is was funny, any news on how long A Cole is out for yet
England fans are far too fickle
Keyser Soze
14-10-2007, 14:45
Agreed. Gerrard the saint has hardly set the world alight enough to put him head and shoulders over Lampard - so booing our highest-scoring midfielder is a joke.
Well the crowd probably had a lot of Arsenal and West Ham fans who will dislike him for there different reasons.
Cannon ball
14-10-2007, 14:52
I may not be the biggest Lampard fan, but booing him is very wrong. Maybe fans are worried that he will walk straight back into the team and Barry will be dropped.
Zoolander
14-10-2007, 18:01
Lescott looked a bit lost. Got As Cole injured. :laugh:
Phatmann2003
14-10-2007, 18:04
Who should we play at left back against Russia? I reckon Phil Neville would be great there.
Zoolander
14-10-2007, 18:05
Who should we play at left back against Russia? I reckon Phil Neville would be great there.
Nicky Shorey.
Phil Neville has the experience but then Joe Cole needs someone who can go down the line and cross with their left to allow him to cut inside, therefore Shorey looks the best bet. I just hope he doesn't move Barry to left back to put Lampard back in the middle.
Cannon ball
14-10-2007, 19:42
Lescott!
mufcsean
14-10-2007, 23:36
Lescott looked too scared that he was going to do something wrong, he kept letting the ball bounce and making mistakes, isn't Shorey injured and that's why he wasn't in the squad on Saturday
wrigh2uk
15-10-2007, 12:19
lol for Cashley
AgentZero
16-10-2007, 11:58
ive been playing a lot of pes and the formations menu song is Lightning seeds + Baddiel Skinner - Three Lions 98
theres this bit
Talk about football coming home
And then one night in Rome
We were strong, we had grown
And now I see Ince ready for war
Gazza good as before
Shearer certain to score
And Psycho screaming
id like to switch it to more contemporary lyrics(i.e switch the players names) came up with this.
Talk about football coming home
And then one night at home
We were strong, we had grown
And now I see becks ready for more
Owens good as before
Gerrard certain to score
And Wazza screaming
thoughts, please be constructive
Stella Artois
16-10-2007, 12:04
Calling Rooney "Wazza", instantly makes you a twat in my eyes.
Plus I honestly hope we've now seen the last of Beckham.
AgentZero
16-10-2007, 12:07
oh cmon...well its either wazza or Rio...and i dont think Rio screaming has th esame impact as wazza.
Also with the becks line... few players has a one syllable name or nickname (lamps but my biased took over)
The Stig
17-10-2007, 20:09
Fucking rubbish. McClaren went that negative after being 1-0 up Rooney ended up at LB and giving away a penalty.
Original?
17-10-2007, 20:21
ive been playing a lot of pes and the formations menu song is Lightning seeds + Baddiel Skinner - Three Lions 98
theres this bit
Talk about football coming home
And then one night in Rome
We were strong, we had grown
And now I see Ince ready for war
Gazza good as before
Shearer certain to score
And Psycho screaming
id like to switch it to more contemporary lyrics(i.e switch the players names) came up with this.
Talk about football coming home
And then one night at home
We were strong, we had grown
And now I see becks ready for more
Owens good as before
Gerrard certain to score
And Wazza screaming
thoughts, please be constructive
How about you have your tongue cut out and your fingers marmalised? That way we need hear no more of this drivel, even the one you quoted was pretty crap compared to the original.
Kevthedrummer
17-10-2007, 20:26
Today I wonder if any of the players realize there are three lions on the shirt?
Russia looked much, much more aware of the task at hand.
Good post Kev, i'd give you rep but i cant just now cos of the old booking hanging over me like Chris Leppard's shadow :no:
Kevthedrummer
17-10-2007, 20:35
It's the thought that counts ;)
PESFan92
17-10-2007, 20:42
What worrys me is Russia have a game in hand over England and are 2 points behind. If England beat Croatia and Russia win their last 2 games.
ENGLAND ARE OUT!!. Fuck knows what would have happend if Scotland and England were swapped over.
Kevthedrummer
17-10-2007, 20:43
What worrys me is Russia have a game in hand over England and are 2 points behind. If England beat Croatia and Russia win their last 2 games.
ENGLAND ARE OUT!!. Fuck knows what would have happend if Scotland and England were swapped over.
They would still have lost.... :unsure:
AgentZero
17-10-2007, 22:12
engalnd needs to beat croatia and hope for israel to draw with russia, the latter seem very unlikely
The Stig
17-10-2007, 22:14
To be honest I hope we don't get through so ginger pubes gets sacked.
Zoolander
17-10-2007, 22:26
I hate his interviews (McClaren). He always comes across as a dirty old man.
mufcsean
17-10-2007, 22:36
Yeah does look like a pervert, i seriously can't see us qualifying :no:
AgentZero
17-10-2007, 22:50
i think its the balding that makes him look dodge
Kevthedrummer
18-10-2007, 00:44
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4140/campbellrooney585544hr9.jpg
How tall is Sol Campbell??
Stella Artois
18-10-2007, 00:46
Anyone else thought Sol played well tonight?
McClaren is the perfect example of a manager who knows how to have interviews. He's a PR puppet.
Best thing is he's English, so the excuses are over now for all the xenophobes.
Kevthedrummer
18-10-2007, 00:49
Sol did well yes, but yeah McClaren's interviews have always made me laugh. I agree with being positive to a degree but he really pushes it. It's usually like he has been watching a completely different game.
Stella Artois
18-10-2007, 00:52
The worst thing is having to see his cheesy grin afterwards. It's like he's a kid in a sweet shop and can't believe he's England manager.
God I hope he dies.
Keyser Soze
18-10-2007, 00:52
Anyone else thought Sol played well tonight?
Definately, but it didn't suprise me. Campbell has always stepped up when we've needed him.
Stella Artois
18-10-2007, 00:57
Never saw why he was dropped personally. He's always had his problems, but he's a guy for whom you can truly say, "for is temporary, class is permanence".
Naturally Terry will jump straight back into the team, but I don't necessarily see why.
Kevthedrummer
18-10-2007, 01:55
hang on......
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/9876/mcsvenju2.gif
doh shame this sorta backfired when I had to compress it down... But Macca seems to have the Sven hair do, maybe he is sven?? :shock:
zer0faith
18-10-2007, 05:07
Atleast Sven got us through qualification
Atleast Sven got us through qualification
good point...its not over yet though.
But lets be honest, when this group was drawn, despite the intense pressure an England manager is put under and the huge expectations, there was no way we should have been, with one game remaining, hoping for a favour from Israel, or any team for that matter.
AgentZero
18-10-2007, 12:09
Sol did well yes, but yeah McClaren's interviews have always made me laugh. I agree with being positive to a degree but he really pushes it. It's usually like he has been watching a completely different game.
hes been playing pes
Cannon ball
18-10-2007, 18:36
Im sick of all the England fans moaning about the penalty, and that Abramovich probably paid the ref. Lets all conveniently forget Rooney's goal was offside and the legitimate goal Russia scored at Wembley which would of made it 1-1.:rolleyes:
And Im really sick of the "plastic pitch" excuse. There was no complaints about it when we winning, was there?
Its just all the usual excuses that irritate me. England were poor yesterday, gave away possesion far too cheaply as always and were very negative. Russia knew the job they had to do and England looked as if they would just sit back, defend, boot it out and hope for a draw.
"Euro 2008 - Face it: England are second-rate
Eurosport - Thu, 18 Oct 15:38:00 2007
Former England international Paul Parker delivers a few home truths about the rotten state of the national team after Wednesday's defeat to Russia.
More StoriesBarwick backs McClaren
Mac savaged in press
Don't blame me, blame the ref
Steve McClaren won't be sacked unless England fail to qualify for Euro 2008, and even though I don't like him, that is the right decision.
If we somehow get through, it wouldn't be wise to go into a tournament with another manager, although I can't see England getting far with the current situation.
The harsh reality is we are not good enough. When things go wrong all we get is spin and beaming teeth. But smiles are not going to help us face up to our failings, and will only perpetuate the myth that we are a top international side.
It might be helpful if we don't qualify. Then we can stop papering over the cracks and start afresh with a new manager, take the opportunity to mix the side up a little bit, maybe change the formation to make the team more adaptable.
McClaren was very keen to show he was different from Sven-Goran Eriksson but he doesn't seem to have brought in many new ideas.
England were unfortunate with a poor penalty decision, but if you sit back on your lead you invite pressure. If Russia have the ball around the box there is always a chance they will get lucky.
The same with the second goal. It wasn't great goalkeeping by Paul Robinson but if you let your opponent take pot shots from the edge of the area these things can happen.
The manager seems to select whoever the media like at that moment in time, hence the selection of Gareth Barry and Joleon Lescott for the most recent games. Lescott had a poor game but there is no point blaming the player when he is just shoved in and expected to perform.
For a game in a hostile environment in Russia, an experienced head like Phil Neville would have been a much better bet at left-back. Not a big guy who has only played a handful of games on the left and is really a central defender at heart.
You don't feel McClaren is picking a team to win a game, but rather one that the press are going to find acceptable. Successful coaches aren't afraid to ruffle a few feathers. We need someone who isn't scared of taking chances, and is confident in stating his intentions when he gets the job.
Juergen Klinsmann made himself very unpopular in Germany before the last World Cup because he did the job his way and made some unusual decisions like basing himself in the USA. But in the end he was judged on the results during the tournament and he ended up a hero.
As nice as it would be to have an Englishman in charge of our national team, the bravest coaches seem to be foreigners like Klinsmann, Jose Mourinho and Luiz Felipe Scolari. Sam Allardyce probably has the most imagination of any homegrown manager.
England are becoming a second-rate football nation. We might keep on saying we've got the best league in the world, but that is mainly because of the great foreign players that all these millions are bringing in.
Steven Gerrard is the only player we have who is unquestionably world class. Wayne Rooney has his moments but needs to improve his consistency, while most of the rest are decent players made to look better by their foreign team-mates at club level.
Quite simply our players are not as good as they think they are. When you lose to Croatia and draw against Macedonia and Israel the evidence is there, yet still we don't face up to our failings. That unrealistic level of expectancy is still there.
England's players do not realise the hard work and sacrifice needed to succeed at international level. I once played on for England despite having a hamstring strain because I didn't want to come off even if that meant making it worse.
Today's squad would have half an eye on the next Champions League game and would come straight off. Compare that with a Croatian team that earn less money and play for lower-profile clubs - they would die for each other on the pitch and it is no wonder they are so much better collectively.
Nobody seems willing to realise this, especially the players. If we get lucky and qualify, they will all be sounding off about winning Euro 2008 and ending 42 years of hurt. But there is a reason why it is so long since we have won anything.
We need to have English players getting regular football, young players coming through and developing. But with the money and the immediate demands of success in the Premier League it is much easier to spend five million on a foreign player than nurture a teenager.
As much money as the Premier League has generated, it is damaging the England team. Our players are not good enough, and when you couple that with a manager who is tactically poor and cannot seem to motivate his players, you can see why we are in this mess."
The first time I agree with P. Parker.
Kevthedrummer
18-10-2007, 23:21
Yeah spot on, a good read there. It kinda makes me hope we don't get through now, things would certainly have to change.
Not to be prejideuce or anything but it's the norm for European national teams who play in mild weather to complain about a plastic pitch. it's not just plastic (FYI) moulded into grass, they're very well researched fibres, the Russian pitch being the most advanced (or one of) in the world. Some people have to realize that a grass pitch is hard to maintain in some parts of the world, because of the climate, where I live in Toronto being one of those places hence an artificial BMO Feild surface.
Keyser Soze
19-10-2007, 00:05
Im sick of all the England fans moaning about the penalty, and that Abramovich probably paid the ref. Lets all conveniently forget Rooney's goal was offside and the legitimate goal Russia scored at Wembley which would of made it 1-1.:rolleyes:
And Im really sick of the "plastic pitch" excuse. There was no complaints about it when we winning, was there?
Its just all the usual excuses that irritate me. England were poor yesterday, gave away possesion far too cheaply as always and were very negative. Russia knew the job they had to do and England looked as if they would just sit back, defend, boot it out and hope for a draw.
Haven't really heard anyone moaning about the penalty or making any excuses really to be honest.
Stella Artois
19-10-2007, 00:46
Steve McClaren did...
Keyser Soze
19-10-2007, 01:03
What has pissed me off actually is how everyone claims how well we played and how unlucky we were! WE LOST 2-1 TO RUSSIA. We only carved out 2 decent chances; one of them being the goal for fuck's sake, the other being a set-piece. We didn't play well.
Steve McClaren did...
That goes without saying - anything to take the heat off of his back. Doesn't really apply to all of the England fans.
Cannon ball
19-10-2007, 16:07
Haven't really heard anyone moaning about the penalty or making any excuses really to be honest.
Just in various papers, message boards and radio phone ins, which frequently mention the penalty and the artificial surface. Maybe I exaggerated a little by saying "all".
Keyser Soze
19-10-2007, 16:12
Just in various papers, message boards and radio phone ins, which frequently mention the penalty and the artificial surface. Maybe I exaggerated a little by saying "all".
Fair enough then, I'd agree with the original point in that case. If we have got to the point where we are arguing over a 50/50 penalty which "lost us the game" against the Russians, where our goal was just as 50/50 to being offside, then we probably didn't deserve to win anyway.
Russia looked far more aware of what they needed to do and how they would do it.
So England chance to qualify is over right?
Stella Artois
19-10-2007, 18:16
No.
We have to beat Croatia and hope results go our way. They won't and Ginger Nuts will have overseen a failed campaign.
Hmm.
I doubt England will beat Croatia.
Hmm.
The Stig
19-10-2007, 23:11
Paul Robinson needs to be dropped as he's fucking shite. He pushed the ball into the danger zone instead of to the side so it was a pretty straight forward tap in for Pavlyuchenko.
mufcsean
20-10-2007, 01:27
I am always mixed choice when it comes to choosing the England keeper, while i whole-heartedly think it was Robinson's fault for Russia's second goal, but it was still only the 4th goal in which he conceded during the qualifiers, and considering one was one of the most bizarre own goals I've ever seen and another was a Penalty, i feel it i hard to chuck him out of the team, especially when David James always seems to screw it up for himself at international level despite being one of the best goalkeepers in the Premiership, and Carson isn't experienced enough, though i suppose you have to start somewhere, i felt it would have been too much for him to deal with
Stella Artois
20-10-2007, 12:36
Who cares if we've only conceded two? Fact is he's a liabilty as shown by the Russia game as ultimately he cost us it due to a poor mistake. He's terrible, his club form has been poor, and he doesn't deserve a place in the England set-up. Get Carson in for Christ Sake.
Cannon ball
20-10-2007, 12:41
I am always mixed choice when it comes to choosing the England keeper, while i whole-heartedly think it was Robinson's fault for Russia's second goal, but it was still only the 4th goal in which he conceded during the qualifiers, and considering one was one of the most bizarre own goals I've ever seen and another was a Penalty, i feel it i hard to chuck him out of the team, especially when David James always seems to screw it up for himself at international level despite being one of the best goalkeepers in the Premiership, and Carson isn't experienced enough, though i suppose you have to start somewhere, i felt it would have been too much for him to deal with
Don't forget he has a very good defence infront of him and the quality of the opposition he's faced.
I'd like to see Green given another chance personally.
I just can't see us qualifying, I think it's shameful that we have to rely on other results to qualify...I can't help looking back to that 0-0 draw at home to Macedonia, that was inexcusable.
Stella Artois
20-10-2007, 12:49
I'd like to see Green given another chance personally.
TV keeper in my opinion. Has a good game infront of Sky so everyone says "pick him!".
He's OK, but Carson is a much better keeper for the future.
I just can't see us qualifying, I think it's shameful that we have to rely on other results to qualify...I can't help looking back to that 0-0 draw at home to Macedonia, that was inexcusable.
Or 0-0 away to Israel. Or 0-2 to Croatia....or every game in which we haven't one.
Remember these players are probably on nearer 10x as much some of the other nations players. It's disgraceful.
mufcsean
21-10-2007, 12:19
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_2815095,00.html
Stella Artois
21-10-2007, 12:20
Probably just realised you can't buy players for £30m when you're a national coach.
mufcsean
21-10-2007, 12:22
:laugh:
i'm glad to be honest, Lampard Terry J Cole A Cole SWP would never be left out of the team
If the FA were to get rid of McClaren, who would be the candidates for the job?
:laugh:
i'm glad to be honest, Lampard Terry J Cole A Cole SWP would never be left out of the teamHave a word.
mufcsean
21-10-2007, 12:30
Jonny shhh
On sunday supplement they were saying the most probable candidates were O Neal, Hiddink and somebody else but i can't remember who
Cannon ball
21-10-2007, 17:35
Jonny shhh
On sunday supplement they were saying the most probable candidates were O Neal, Hiddink and somebody else but i can't remember who
Jurgen Klinsmann?
Jurgen Klinsmann?With the xenophobic nature of this country?
Jonny shhh
On sunday supplement they were saying the most probable candidates were O Neal, Hiddink and somebody else but i can't remember who
Maybe Jonny Wilkinson?
Stella Artois
21-10-2007, 17:44
...
Die.
Cannon ball
21-10-2007, 17:46
With the xenophobic nature of this country?
A German as England coach won't go down well with the public...
Originally Posted by wan109
Maybe Jonny Wilkinson?
Jonny Wilkinson is a Rugby player, not a football manager. Maybe you're getting confused with Howard Wilkinson.
But football in US is football.:naughty:
Stella Artois
21-10-2007, 18:26
What the fuck are you on about?
Cannon ball
21-10-2007, 18:28
But football in US is football.:naughty:
.............................. ..........
Nothing.
Back on topic, I think O'Neill will do well with England.
He beat us 2-0. :crymore:
mufcsean
21-10-2007, 18:33
So because he manages to beat Chelsea that would make him a good England manager :huh:
Cannon ball
21-10-2007, 18:36
So because he manages to beat Chelsea that would make him a good England manager :huh:
Steve McClaren beat Chelsea with Middlesbrough, he must be good...:ninja:
What I mean is just an example.
mufcsean
10-11-2007, 23:31
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11966_2874718,00.html
:no:
Cannon ball
11-11-2007, 19:08
Don't worry, there is always Dudu Aouate...:ninja:
If Russia beat Israel, I can imagine McClaren in an interview after the match, saying: "Well..erm...Andorra could still do us a favour.....it's not over yet..erm....we must still be positive, erm.....we still have a chance....the Croatia game is still a big match, erm.....we must hope...."
Well that is us well and truly fucked now. Time to update football manager 2008 and I'm giving Steve MacLaren the Chris Benoit treatment. I'm wiping his name from existence.
Adammce05
11-11-2007, 20:54
The commentarys gonna be great now. On the news they'll make a passing comment about the Euro, where as if England were in it, it'd be a big 5 minute parade about how yous won.
Fucking funny.
greenegg
11-11-2007, 20:55
:laugh:
Nice Avatar
:rolleyes:
The commentarys gonna be great now. On the news they'll make a passing comment about the Euro, where as if England were in it, it'd be a big 5 minute parade about how yous won
And the Petrusion to the north of England wont be there either. :D
Adammce05
11-11-2007, 21:34
They don't have a Celtic avatar, and I cant be bothered making one.
I do support an English team, fuck I like the English national team, what I don't like is the complete lack of support Scotland and Ireland get from the media, yet when England are in the run, it's gun fucking ho in the media, it's retarded.
United Kingdom my arse.
Er Adam, Ireland isn't in the United Kingdom. Northern Ireland is but not the Republic.
England's the bigger team so naturally they'll get the bigger coverage.
Adammce05
11-11-2007, 21:39
I meant Ireland in general.
You never hear shit about Northern or Republic.
Granted Northern Ireland are nonse, but still.
Wales too you hear fuck all about them, I'm just making the point the only club you hear about in 'British' sports news is fucking England, the other thing that annoyed me was after the Liverpool-Fulham match, they interviewed Yossi and they were going all 'Oh so you going to go out and score against Russia ??' we all know that if England didnt need Israel to win, he wouldnt have got an interview.
Anyway, I've made my point, down with sucking up the national teams !.
AgentZero
12-11-2007, 02:45
Yossi's out and so are Englands chances
Dundon's
12-11-2007, 03:58
That's what you'd be thinking anyways, he's in good form.
What you guys think of the chance of israel beating russia?
About as much chance as Gary Glitter making a comeback.
Zero.
Keyser Soze
12-11-2007, 17:31
Is Benayoun going to be fit for the game?
mufcsean
12-11-2007, 17:32
Nope
Keyser Soze
12-11-2007, 17:35
:no:
It'll be a mountain to climb, I think it's possible for them to nick a draw.
mufcsean
12-11-2007, 17:40
So there is no chance of them scoring, is that what your saying wan?
No, I'm just saying that although Benayoun's unavailable there's still Ben Sahar.
mufcsean
12-11-2007, 17:50
So things are just getting worse, first Benayoun gets injured and is ruled out, now Israel are forced to play Sahar up front, is that what you mean wan
Cannon ball
12-11-2007, 17:56
Yep, an 18 year old is going to save us all.
It's amazing how England has ended up like this. I never really followed the group but I can remember England failing to beat Macedonia at home. But after that, it was a good long run of victories (lots of 3-0's). Now another screw up in Russia and they have to depend on Israel to qualify for the Euro Championships. That's the cruel side of football I guess.
What if Israel draw and England win?
It's just won't feel right if England can't make Euro 2008.
Stella Artois
13-11-2007, 18:52
It'd give this country a huge kick up the arse and ensure Steve McClown is no longer in the job.
Forza Russia!
calculus
13-11-2007, 18:58
England need to do a france and have a look at the whole academy system and how we produce young players. You don't get many kids like Wayne Rooney playing football in the streets. I did see a couple kids the other day and it made me smile but will they make it into a youth team before some other distraction comes along...?
It's just won't feel right if England can't make Euro 2008.
Yup, same with the France and Italy.
There is a real problem and they're going to have to make some major changes. Living over here in Spain I now see how much more serious they take playing football even from a young age compared to back home.
There's something definitely a miss, as if you look at some of the players we had 20 years ago, there wasn't a problem as such with the technique for the likes of Gazza, Barnes, Beardsley, Waddle, Hoddle etc
Hoddle is a fine example of what's wrong with our football culture, yes he may have been lazy and a luxy player if you will. But with the ability he had, we needed to play around Hoddle, not play our way around him. If Hoddle was foreign he would have made a lot more of a mark on the International game, I have no doubt in my mind about that.
Never helped him like that he had possibly our finest midfielder of all time vying for his spot in the middle of the park against him though.
Stella Artois
13-11-2007, 19:11
There is a real problem and they're going to have to make some major changes. Living over here in Spain I now see how much more serious they take playing football even from a young age compared to back home.
We take it too seriously.
It's all about winning anyway possible. There's no thought given to playing good football, just ensuring that you get your name on that trophy.
Little kids are forced to play 11 a side games which have absolutely no benefit to them whatsoever.
I'd make it so you don't even begin to play 11 a side until you're 14.
Holland and France are leading the way in how to coach and get youngsters ready for excelling on the big stage.
calculus
13-11-2007, 19:14
There is a real problem and they're going to have to make some major changes. Living over here in Spain I now see how much more serious they take playing football even from a young age compared to back home.
And that's why La Liga is such an exciting and unpredictable league. The only reason Real Madrid and Barcelona have dominated over the last decade is because they are slightly more consistent but look how many games Real Madrid lost last season to win the league. I watched Mallorca versus Real Madrid on Sunday. It was a fantastic match and Mallorca showed real technical ability.
Germany have more forgein players as a percentage than the Premier League and they have done extremely well!
Dragonfly
15-11-2007, 00:55
Should Steve McClaren get the boot even if other results go our way and we qualify?
I'm a bit undecided. I think keeping him would make sense because it could disrupt things and we could lose focus if we make it to the tournament. Then again, McClaren will probably cock it up if we are lucky enough to qualify.
Or he could do a Mike Bassett and fluke it to the semis.
Cannon ball
15-11-2007, 17:47
Should Steve McClaren get the boot even if other results go our way and we qualify?
I'm a bit undecided. I think keeping him would make sense because it could disrupt things and we could lose focus if we make it to the tournament. Then again, McClaren will probably cock it up if we are lucky enough to qualify.
Or he could do a Mike Bassett and fluke it to the semis.
I doubt he will be sacked if England qualify, no matter how unconvincingly they did it. It will be the easiest option for the FA.
I think it will be better if England didnt qualify, or we will all have to endure McClaren and his cheesy grin, saying something like "I genuinely believe with the players we've got here, we can win this tournament, we have a great chance". Then the whole hype machine will start up again.
Here's the starting line-up for tonights game,
Carson
Richards
Campbell
Lescott
Bridge
Beckham
Gerrard
Lampard
J Cole
Owen
Crouch
I'm guessing Carson and Lescott won't play in the Croatia game and Beckham won't unless Shaun Wright Philips isn't fit. I think it's a bit harsh on Barry getting dropped after doing so well.
Cannon ball
16-11-2007, 17:36
Finally Robbo dropped.
I have the horrible feeling he will be back for the Croatia match. If Russia have won, atleast we won't have to worry about his antics screwing up qualification hopes.
Yep, I expect to see Robinson back as well. I think this is just to give Carson some international experience.
Well it depends if Carson give a good performance.
AgentZero
16-11-2007, 21:33
Here's the starting line-up for tonights game,
Carson
Richards
Campbell
Lescott
Bridge
Beckham
Gerrard
Lampard
J Cole
Owen
Crouch
I'm guessing Carson and Lescott won't play in the Croatia game and Beckham won't unless Shaun Wright Philips isn't fit. I think it's a bit harsh on Barry getting dropped after doing so well.
:no:
Viperized
16-11-2007, 22:00
If England do not qualify expect more articles blaming Arsenal for not playing enough English players.
Dragonfly
16-11-2007, 22:03
I hope Lampard gets dropped for the Croatia game and Barry comes back.
Apparently Owen is out for a month. Looks like England have to rely on Crouch. :ohmy:
Cannon ball
16-11-2007, 22:51
And Defoe. :ohmy:
Cannon ball
17-11-2007, 12:26
I'm seriously hoping Russia and Croatia both win today. England do not deserve to be going, and if they do fluke it there, what hope have they got?
I don't know ,cannonball. There must be a part of you that would like to see England there next year. Do you really want to watch an international tournament with your country not being there?
Cannon ball
17-11-2007, 13:01
Failure to qualify will mean a big change from the bottom to the top and in the players attitudes, a huge shake up. Its like an illness, sometimes it has to get worse before it can get better. If England do get there, then I will cheer them on and everything, but it won't get rid of the fact they have really stumbled through their group.
I will of course be watching Euro 2008, whether England are there or not, but I fear if they are there, then what went on the qualifiers would be forgotten. If not being there helps them, then so be it. It will be strange without England, but I could live with it.
Guillermo
17-11-2007, 18:32
Israel lead 1-0 ¬_¬
I must admit it would be slightly amusing to see England qualify.
Guillermo
17-11-2007, 19:26
I must admit it would be slightly amusing to see England qualify.
Bilyaletdinov to the rescue! I hope I never have to say that name again.
LarssonIsGhod
17-11-2007, 19:29
Bilyaletdinov to the rescue! I hope I never have to say that name again.
can you actually pronounce the name thought m8??
Guillermo
17-11-2007, 19:54
Israel 2-1. :huh:
England need Israel to win?
:laugh: This will be hilarious if they pull it off especially after what Guus said before the game.
Over confidence isn't cool.
Or this is all just for dramatical effect.
Edit: It's over! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
laugh if we lost in midweek,it wud be embarrasing
I really hope Israel wouldn't win.
Cannon ball
17-11-2007, 20:00
McClaren is the luckiest fucker on this planet. His Middlesbrough team drew with us (City), with Schwarzer making that penalty save to get the point they needed to get in the UEFA Cup, now this. If Sychev's goal had'nt hit the post it would have been all over.
Lucky twat. It will run out soon.
So what does this now mean? England just need a draw or a win ?
Bammers05
17-11-2007, 20:01
laugh if we lost in midweek,it wud be embarrasing
Don't count it out, Croatia are a decent team and we will probably have Robinson in goal, so anything could happen :huh:
Guillermo
17-11-2007, 20:02
So what does this now mean? England just need a draw or a win ?
Just a draw due to better head-to-head with Russia. And it looks like Croatia will have qualified as group winners, so they'll have nothing to play for :/
Cannon ball
17-11-2007, 20:03
Yeah, and Bilic said that whatever Croatia do against Macedonia, they would play to win against England. Eduardo should be fit.
England play at home, right?
Northern Ireland can qualify still! All they have to do is beat Denmark tonight, then beat Spain in midweek. Easy.
greenegg
17-11-2007, 20:09
Golan is my Hero.
Bit of a shame it came down to relying on some outside decisions but now all we need is a draw. I celebrated like a loon with my bro when Golan went through and scored. I think a draw is achievable especially at home but I have a bad feeling we may fuck up. 'Mon the England.
Edit: Nice to see Hiddinks face afterwards. Daft cunt.
England will qualify now 1,000,000%.
Northern Ireland can qualify still! All they have to do is beat Denmark tonight, then beat Spain in midweek. Easy.
'ang on! What makes you think that's going to happen! :realmad:
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