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On occasions, I can get unnecessarily aggressive when I'm playing a football videogame, especially if the person who I'm playing against scores the same goals over and over by using the same techniques and tactics. Thankfully, due to better physics engines and improved AI, Pro Evo and FIFA have managed to iron out the majority of these scenarios and my blood pressure has seen a decrease in recent years as a result. But, after playing my first two matches on the new Pro Evolution soccer game at the Games Convention last week, I'm extremely worried that my frustrations may boil over once more unless preventive measures are put in place to stop players diving in order to push a match in their favour.
In PES2008 there is the introduction of a brand new tactic of being able to execute a fake dive (watch Ronaldo on Match of the Day for tips on how to perfect your dive). In the first game I played, this resulted in three penalties being awarded to my opponent – for blatantly cheating! I understand diving is a tactic that players use in the real world of football and some would argue that it will give the game a more realistic feel, but personally I found it extremely irritating. If you can't beat them, join them you may think. Well, I did. But, when I tried the diving tactic for myself the referee gave me the red card! The cheek of it!
So, it appears that diving will be an extreme gamble in PES2008, something to use as a last resort should you be a couple of goals down with only 10 minutes left on the clock perhaps, but still, if this type of foul play doesn't go your way and the referee turns a blind eye to the opposition's foul play, but seemingly watches you like a hawk like he did in my first PES2008 experience, then there's going to be some angry gamers online this year exchanging some severe verbal blows; and I'll be one of them. Bizarrely though, I can't wait! Bring it on!
In all seriousness, PES2008 looks and plays better than ever before, but there must be an option in game to turn off diving when the game is released.
This new diving tactic has also caused a bit of debate amongst friends and long term fans of the Pro Evo series, who have long thought that the game is the best and most true to life footballing experience in a videogame. That debate revolves around the question that, while FIFA and the FA are actively trying to discourage diving in the real world of football, should Konami have included this under-handed diving tactic in their extremely popular football series? Are they not actively encouraging our future footballers to use these dirty tactics? Or are these people being far too over sensitive, after all it's just a game?
Thoughts on this new feature in PES 2008?
Personally I think it is a terrible choice by Konami. First of we are trying to get rid of this crap from football, and now here we have it appearing in football video games, not exactally sending out the right message.
Second, online play is going to be full of wee you know whats, constantly hitting whatever button it is whenever they get within a 25 yard radius of your goal.
I have also seen video footage of the dive, and you can do it when someone isn't even close to you, and it looks totally ridiculous.
I hate diving, and this is a totally poor choice by Konami to include this in the game, somthing against the rules of football. Its like having an athletics game where you can take performance inhancing drugs before a race.
Others thoughts?
pro evo 11
31-08-2007, 10:48
hey i think its a good idea butit could go either way we want the most realistic game and sadly this is now what is happening to the beautiful game
nickpring
31-08-2007, 10:50
I think it's a good idea, as it is more realistic. I'd only use it while playing against a friend though.
mufcsean
31-08-2007, 12:13
I dont think i'll ever use it, stupid addition to the game if you ask me, how will it work, will it be like, sometimes you get the free kick/penalty and sometimes you get booked
I don't like it. I don't like to cheat.
Aaronarid
31-08-2007, 17:11
I hate the idea.
Unless, it was an option that could be turned off, maybe something you could unlock in the shop.
I could see it being fun for a few games as a novelty, but beyond that I don't think it warrants inclusion.
i will probarbly use it against mates as a laugh and when in poor shooting areas in the area,maybe even to timewaste at the end of an important masters league game,im happy for it to be there so long as its implemented right,how many times have you been slid on pes6 in the area and your guys stayed on his feet instead of going down and getting a pen then a golden chance is gone.fact is refs dont seem to give decisions to honest people i rarely very rarely see somebody fouled in the area and a penalty given unless there on the floor.
FutebolArte
31-08-2007, 19:30
I'll use it
its about time... this game is all about malice... thats why there are no video replays
I hope you could turn it on or off , especially online. With all the cheating online already its silly to have such features that will allow people to cheat more. I'm sure the cheaters will figure out a way to always get the call and penalties for online play, its only a matter of time ! This is the only thing about the new game that is disapointing IMO, everything else looks good!
dont like it one bit, is PES turning into fifa? i hope not
McGregor
31-08-2007, 21:31
It could be great at times but then again it could be absolutely terrible. I remember playing some other footy game a while back, sadly the name has slipped my mind at this time but I remember it being highly entertaining every so often winning a pen by diving and seeing the priceless look on my mates face, :laugh:
However this option tends to slow down the play, cause a lot of cards, look unrealistic at times and be irritating.
If there is an option to turn it off that would be perfect but I'll not let it bother me too much either way.
Killerkey
31-08-2007, 21:48
It could be great at times but then again it could be absolutely terrible. I remember playing some other footy game a while back, sadly the name has slipped my mind at this time but I remember it being highly entertaining every so often winning a pen by diving and seeing the priceless look on my mates face, :laugh:
However this option tends to slow down the play, cause a lot of cards, look unrealistic at times and be irritating.
If there is an option to turn it off that would be perfect but I'll not let it bother me too much either way.
was it This Is Football on the PS1? I remember that game had it, I got a penalty almost everytime, very unrealistic, seeing as though its going to be in the new PES lets hope they've done it well, or include an on/off feature for it.
McGregor
31-08-2007, 22:59
was it This Is Football on the PS1? I remember that game had it, I got a penalty almost everytime, very unrealistic, seeing as though its going to be in the new PES lets hope they've done it well, or include an on/off feature for it.
Aye, thats the very one. Enjoyable for all of about two minutes then just became a nuisance as it looked terrible.
Dragonfly
31-08-2007, 23:11
I don't like "cheat" moves, like the cut-back goals, but I think I might play with this early on. When there's a new addition to the game, I usually like to try it out, but if it gets too easy to do, then I'll leave it. I wonder if the computer will be diving too.
I can see it being really annoying when done to you, but I'd feel very cheeky if I used it. :D
I don't really like this feature, I hope it can be turned on/off or can be unlocked in the PES-Shop. I might use it early on but if makes the game too easy I'll get bored and I don't like cheating either.
SonofRambo
01-09-2007, 11:19
Its cheating but i can see how tempting it might be to press the dive button particularly towards the end of a match.
Some matches can turn into a farce if everyone is diving and becomes the whole focus of the game. Im hoping Konami have thought this through and made this aspect of the game quite tight before implementing it ie chances of getting away with a blatent dive being quite low with a yellow given hence to stop people abusing it, chances of getting a penalty from diving in the last 10mins diminishes etc.
hazman79
01-09-2007, 11:54
Does anyone remember Fifa 95 on the Mega Drive? You could dive on that and everyone thought it was fucking hilarious, you could also blatently just push someone over when 'defending' using the same button combination as the dive, B+C I think.
If left in perminantly this feature will undoubetedly add to the farce that is online play, as many of you have already pointed out some benders will learn to use it effectively enough to use as a regular game wining tactic (see cut back goals, ridiculous through ball goals, exit game strate-gay etc.)
I think shirt pulling is in this version as well, what do we think to this acceptable or not?
Lorenzinho
01-09-2007, 20:21
Stupid, stupid inclusion. As everyone else has said, I hope you can turn it on/off. Preferably off. Forever.
Anyone know if there's going to be a dive stat? I'd like to see the difference between a 99 dive and a 15 dive. Lol.
I'll be using this especially when I have to. Flame the haters, let them play the you want them to play. They can't beat you, they'll join you.
I think it's a great idea for multi player games, but thinking about it, it adds to the realism even more.
Imagine going 89 minutes battering the oppo but still 0-0, then they take a tumble in the last minute and win and score the penalty...you cant tell me that sort of thing doesn't happen in real life.
I say great addition and i can't wait to cheat my brother out of several games...
Hopefully, it'll be something that doesn't work 99 times out of 100, so the people who try to use it too much will get sick. I can imagine it being quite fun to execute in the last minute of a tense cup final against a mate however.
Trance_Allstar
09-09-2007, 11:21
I can see myself using this alot in the beginning to see how it is programmed and what the criteria are for getting busted and getting away with it.
But I can see myself using it in desperate times.
BrandonBett02
09-09-2007, 19:54
the portugues are going to love this future! ; P
Jk!!
FutebolArte
09-09-2007, 20:59
fuckin porks
I think I will use it, as annoying as it will be to get swindled out of a game by one, the satisfaction of inflicting the same sort of irritation to someone else warrants its use it my book.
Yep i think thats its a good addition too, it happens in real life football so why not?.
Though hopefully it wont be too easy to get penalties and free kicks...
Trance_Allstar
10-09-2007, 13:51
Well, reports say that atleast 90% of dives result in a card. And to avoid exploitation of this (for example, someone finding a way to make it work every time), they probably have hardcoded that only a certain % of dives will be successfull wherever you do them (atleast that would be a good system to ensure noone can abuse it).
i dont agree that that would be a good system in the slightest,perhaps a luck factor or referee stats and linesman stats so that if you do dive certain refs are more likley to see it.its easy to make a dive convincing and if theres contact theres not many refs who dont blow there whistle,so if the ref is miles away,theres a bit of contact,he goes down,from the refs view its a pen but the hardcoding says NO.sounds poor,some minor ref stats,judgment,vision and the angle they see should influence,not every 1/20 or something........
is this really confirmed as a feature? I hope not. It smells like a rumor.
i think it will be good as long as there doesnt become a way to make it work everytime you do it. if that happened it wil be so annoying almost as annoying as the people who just pass across your goal to score when online
also maybe if a player did it and got booked they should become a target for the other team for harder tackle and more protests in to what they do during the game, maybe not getting as many decions for other things from the ref
plus never mind diving i wish they would just give free kicks and pens when the computer hacks you down and the ref plays on
Is it just a rumour that this diving thing only will be available for ps3/xbox 360, and not for the ps2-version?
Trance_Allstar
13-09-2007, 10:43
I am not sure how many features will be in the PS2 version.
But I don't see any difficulties in translating the Dive-feature to the PS2 version, so I would guess it is in there aswell.
hulkamaphone
19-09-2007, 05:07
I'm just rehashing what everyone else has already said but I'm still in two minds about this new feature...
On one hand anything that increases the realism of a game, to me is a good thing, thats what PES is known for. On the other hand, diving is something that in my opinion, should be actively discouraged in the game (real or virtual).
The developers said that they will field the public reaction to the new feature once implemented and then decide if they are to include it in the next pes (2009). So maybe they have been in two minds whether to include it or not aswell
Jake Small
19-09-2007, 05:19
The only thing I'm worried about is the potential for abuse. Will people be able to figure out times when diving is the right thing to do? Or will it always incur a huge risk?
Hopefully it won't be a situation where a good player at the game can wander into the penalty box, 'do the thing', hit the dive button, and reap the rewards of his penalty kick...
I think this addition is absolutely brilliant from Konami, I was wishing for it a long time ago. There's not a single football weekend in the world where players don't dive to get cards, attacks that noone is there except this one guy trying to win a fault. I just hope it's not 99% of the times a yellow card and that you can sometimes manage to cheat, football is as it is. I wouldn't care for an on/off feature but since you guys don't really like it, would be good for you.
As long as its not as easy to dive and get free kicks and penalties like it is in the this is football games it would be acceptable.
I'm kinda looking forward to this Diving Feature and Shirt Pulling. But the Diving Feature doesn't look like an bright idea at all.
Overall it should something interesting. :D
not to sure about the diving feature, i know i personally wont be using it but it could add another interesting aspect to the gameplay and some heated arguments over pissed pro sessions.
PESFan92
24-09-2007, 20:05
The diving function will be helpful at times but anoying the times, for instance how many of you are playing Master League, Cup game final, and really want to get a penalty, i for one think the addition is good, i just hope for the sake of Pro Evolution Soccer that Konami, realise that it will ruin online play and disable it. Here are how i think the dive feature could work:
Only used in Exhibition(that way you have nothing to lose)
Have a limit number amount of dives per match(like 3 or 2)
Disabled online.
what do you guys think?
i think you should be able to use it as much as you want and there should be an on off feature if it becomes a problem.
hulkamaphone
25-09-2007, 06:01
The diving function will be helpful at times but anoying the times, for instance how many of you are playing Master League, Cup game final, and really want to get a penalty, i for one think the addition is good, i just hope for the sake of Pro Evolution Soccer that Konami, realise that it will ruin online play and disable it. Here are how i think the dive feature could work:
Only used in Exhibition(that way you have nothing to lose)
Have a limit number amount of dives per match(like 3 or 2)
Disabled online.
what do you guys think?
I think if its going to be in the game (offline) its has to be accessible at all times. I dont think it should be disabled totally onilne, maybe just have lobbies or game options to turn it off for those that dont want it to be an option.
It's a fair comment to say that diving is cheating, and I wholeheartedly agree, but so is tackling from behind and no-one complains about that particular feature. I know that's a fairly shit comparison, but you can see the angle I am trying to come from here.
Ive played the demo and i think the diving feature is a good addition.
I noticed the AI tried to get a penalty against me in the dying minutes of the game when they were 1 goal behind LOL, happened twice too :laugh: both times they got booked.
Dragonfly
25-09-2007, 13:19
Does a successful dive depend on the referee's position? Say, if you dive while surrounded with lots of players, the ref's vision might be blocked, and he might either give the foul, book the diver, or give nothing since he couldn't see anything. Has anyone noticed if that's the case? Also, does playing at home put more pressure on the ref to give a decision - either book the away player for diving, or give a penalty for the home team?
hitmanuk2k
25-09-2007, 15:52
Well thats 2 yellow cards from 2 attempts for me. Quite like it though.
First 4 dives I pulled got me 4 yellow cards. First two were blatant Gilardino attempts to see how it would work, but the last one was a genuine attempt. I do hope they leave this out of the online option, although I fear the worst.
my 1ts few times were just testers really,it would be better if generally outside the area in non threatining positions the ref just played on instead of almost always coming and yellow carding.the position of the ref doesnt really seem to matter either.
shoulder to shoulder dives have worked once in god knows how many attepmts and the best way to get them seems to be to wait for the challend and then its just about reacting!
my worry is that ive been diving at good openings instead of going for goal!
I'm worrying about Master League. When the AI are loosing by a goal, they'll dive to win a penalty right at the end of the game.
That will leave ALLOT of people pissed off.
AI havent dived for me yet,i could see when they were gonna when they started joging along side of ball like when you press both rb n lb,but a disposesed em before they had chance.
PeSpRo mkII
25-09-2007, 21:04
I'm not sure yet, maybe an On/Off setting in General Settings. I was thinking of a Stay Down button too. Get taken down in a challenge, stay down. But bring the Dive on. Maybe a Diving Success stat in players ability. Like 1 to 8, like Condition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPBh06kPrsA
some blatent diving and still getting a free kick! seems too easy.
timsmith10000
27-09-2007, 15:30
I've tried to dive about 20 times and not managed it once!
Eric Clyde
27-09-2007, 23:52
After numerous attempts in the 5 minute demo, finally after 10 yellow cards and 3 red cards I had finally received a free-kick from a dive. Ironically it was right in front of the referee at the centre-half but other than that, it barely works.
It's a fair comment to say that diving is cheating, and I wholeheartedly agree, but so is tackling from behind and no-one complains about that particular feature. I know that's a fairly shit comparison, but you can see the angle I am trying to come from here.
your right dude.....we want a realistic game dont we....well diving is very much a real part of football....people go on about how terrible it is....but frankly players have been trying to con the ref long before this dive culture hit...wether it be appealing for a throw or corner that a player knows has come off him last...a keeper picking the ball up from behind his goal line and claiming a clearence (Roy Carrol v Spurs comes to mind). Dont get me wrong sometimes its pathetic....(Drogba v Lehman)....but sometimes its tactically well used..all the stick C.Ronaldo gets for diving....i have Never seen Ronni Dive...just goes down easily.
Then again....i am watching games through a Big Fat pair of United Glasses :rolleyes:
Dragonfly
30-09-2007, 01:09
Are there different diving styles? For example, you have the Platoon dive where it looks like you've been shot, or are they all tumbling dives?
mufcsean
30-09-2007, 01:13
:lol: i havn't noticed but i will look out
I was just playing right now with the demo, one of the opposition players made a dive in my penalty box. The ref. motioned him to get up and gave him a yellow card. HA!!!
trunkadelic
24-10-2007, 10:37
So, is the feature for next-gen consoles only? Because I can't get it to work on my PS2 (I also forgot the controls for it, so it would be nice if someone brought it up).
HannibleL316
24-10-2007, 10:42
LOL
How can you know if something doesnt work if you dont even know how to do it?
I think its not on the PS2 version anyway.
AgentZero
24-10-2007, 11:01
its the same as EARugby adding in collapsing the scrum/maul and handling in the ruck ....9/10 you get penalised for it, theres the off chance you will get lucky. If thats anything to go by, the sneaks out there will use it but theyll get pulle dup for it.
trunkadelic
24-10-2007, 11:03
HannibleL316: You didn't understand, I was trying the L1+L2+R1 command (along with numerous other L+R combinations) and it didn't work, so I thought maybe I forgot the exact command but couldn't find it anywhere again.
copa_mundial
24-10-2007, 11:19
On the nex gen consoles it's L1+L2+R1 but i don't think it has been included in the PS2 version.
trunkadelic
24-10-2007, 11:30
Well, that's just craptastic.
FolkertBelt
24-10-2007, 12:02
Thoughts on this new feature in PES 2008?
Personally I think it is a terrible choice by Konami. First of we are trying to get rid of this crap from football, and now here we have it appearing in football video games, not exactally sending out the right message.
Second, online play is going to be full of wee you know whats, constantly hitting whatever button it is whenever they get within a 25 yard radius of your goal.
I have also seen video footage of the dive, and you can do it when someone isn't even close to you, and it looks totally ridiculous.
I hate diving, and this is a totally poor choice by Konami to include this in the game, somthing against the rules of football. Its like having an athletics game where you can take performance inhancing drugs before a race.
Others thoughts?
Well I've received my copy of PES 2008 on monday (PS3) and it's a great feature. You should be really careful using it as you will get a yellow card for every fake. It's good and not a spoiler at all.
lamba105
14-11-2007, 22:55
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AgentZero
14-11-2007, 23:00
i think the dude who Deki quoted needs to learn how to adapt to different tactics (reference to the 1st paragraph)
AnD3RSon
15-11-2007, 00:08
Diving is really hard anyway, i earned a penalty out of 1 in like 30 attempts
and when you fail you get a yellow so is not exactly rewarding for diving, pes just introduced something that's real in football.
i think the success and fail line they got spot on, no complaints.
and it adds another small dimension to the game.
craiglfc
15-11-2007, 16:03
Does anyone have any tips that can help me win a free kick when diving as I haven't managed to successfully dive yet, have ended a game with 9 men a few times though due to excessive theatrics on the pitch!
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