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devolution
04-09-2007, 01:54
I am looking for some tips on defence, inparticuarly in the central midfield area, as when playing against good opponents online of the 550 and over standard, I find it difficult to get my midfielders in the right position, and don't know how to defend against the opposition midfield.

At the moment when I am playing against good opposition, I find they can far to easily pass or run through my midfield. For example they can often pass to the feet of a striker from a deep position, and these quick counter attacks often lead to me conceeding a goal, especially if the striker is someone like adrianno, who I find it impossible to defend against

In general defending near my own goal is not to much of a problem. My philosophy is to try and push the striker, or winger who has the ball outside as much as possible, never let them come inside, and always be on the backfoot, as it were, so if they get in behind I can make a recovery tackle. Then once they are pushed wide I can hopefully block the cross or short pass which I have forced them into playing, and if they do take a shot it is unlikely to be a goal from the wide position.

So what I want to know is, in terms of the formation what should be the position/attacking arrows/defence level etc... I should set, and when I get this right how can I move the midfielder to get tight/intercept the ball when my opponent passes to one of their midfielders or strikers? and how do I know when to tackle, and when to just mark, and block the pass? when do I run out to the player taking the pass, and when do I hold my position?

Should I employ manmarking? and if so who should I set to manmark who, and should it be agressive or normal?

At the moment I generally play a 4-4-2 with one dmf, and one cmf or amf, and two wing forwards. But I do occasionally play 4-3-3, and even more rarely a 3-5-2 depending on what team I pick.

In short, what is your defensive philosophy on these matters?

Thanks.

Matty D
04-09-2007, 11:02
I cannot really help but if you are under pressure revert to 5-3-2 with two pacy forwards for a counter attack!!!

SpArKyCFC
05-09-2007, 16:36
I play 4-3-3. I have the arrows on all defenders going back to goal. defensive midfielder 1 going back, 1 going forward. 2 attacking midfielders have an arrow going towards the center, and then one going towards their respective corner flag. the CF has an arrow going backwards, and the 2 wingers have arrows going diagonally towards goal.

defensively I'm solid, don't condede many, but when I do it's because a player has managed to get behind my defence and no matter what I do i cannot tackle him, usually adriano. Going forward, not great as i play as chelsea, i don't make many chances but tend to score most that i make. My rating potters between 5500 an 5800 at the moment on xbox 360 live.

I find holding down the tackle button whilst the ball is in midfield tends to break up the play very well, but don't do it if the ball is played near your defenders as the forward will 7 times out of 10 turn your defender. Also never use the sprint button when defending, unless they are running clear on goal.

FutebolArte
05-09-2007, 17:23
try setting youur dfence position and offside traps both on A and try using the offside trap strategy

AgentZero
05-09-2007, 23:04
right, i pride my defensive game on PES. I like to have my cursor on manual (so i can change whenever i want) and employ a Backline A with Offside Trap B. This ensures your backs are playing further up the park and not as deep. Also enables you to utilise your wingbacks better (IMO).
The hardest bit is to anticipate where youre opponent is wanting to go and covering it, by holding R2 and zoning that area. I also have found it is rather better for you (if your opponent is running down the wing) instead of chasing after him, run to block and cuts him running insides. And teh best way i find to chase down opponent is to not hold X all the time.

Dragonfly
05-09-2007, 23:07
I have my defence settings both at C, so the defenders play deep. It's so annoying to play at A, because the offside trap doesn't work for me. Since I've played using C, I've let in much less goals, and since I'm comfortable when attacking, it suits me fine.

liverpool1287
05-09-2007, 23:59
right, i pride my defensive game on PES. I like to have my cursor on manual (so i can change whenever i want) and employ a Backline A with Offside Trap B. This ensures your backs are playing further up the park and not as deep. Also enables you to utilise your wingbacks better (IMO).
The hardest bit is to anticipate where youre opponent is wanting to go and covering it, by holding R2 and zoning that area. I also have found it is rather better for you (if your opponent is running down the wing) instead of chasing after him, run to block and cuts him running insides. And teh best way i find to chase down opponent is to not hold X all the time.

i agree with lostgalactico, try to get out of the habit (if your in it) of using X to close down all the time and also i finding jocking is killer when you want to counter because as soon as you have the ball you just belt it up to your forwards and your off ;)

devolution
10-09-2007, 13:27
Thanks for the tips. Not sure what you mean by jocking though, is it when you barge into your opponent, and knock him off the ball?

If so how do you do this? and can you only do it with a bigger/more powerfull player than your opponent's player in possesion?

ads
10-09-2007, 13:52
I really would love to help but I can't defend for shit on Pro, never have been able to.

It probably stems from playing my older brother who used to pick Italy and play fucking 8 at the back, and would bore me through 120 minutes and win on penalties.

Ever since those games I lost all interest in defending.

ads
10-09-2007, 13:53
Although pressing the shoot button when defending works well sometimes, calling a defender over to help you out so you can get into a better position to intercept a pass/cross.

FutebolArte
10-09-2007, 15:59
Thanks for the tips. Not sure what you mean by jocking though, is it when you barge into your opponent, and knock him off the ball?

If so how do you do this? and can you only do it with a bigger/more powerfull player than your opponent's player in possesion?

Jockeying is sort os locking onto the attcker with :R2: or RB on 360 and that button only...

hawkeye76
17-10-2007, 15:49
Try not to get your players pulled out of position.
Close them down using the square button, and run your man to cover gaps and cut out his passing angles. have at least 4 players on full defensive arrows. Keep your man/men in between him and the goal. Dont chase after people unless you are the last line of defence. Change to someone that can cut out the runner.
Slow his attacks down giving your players time to get back.

gollan
17-10-2007, 16:06
This is a very rough descrpition, but here goes:

1. There are different techniques of defending for different places on the pitch.
2. When in the opponents half, try applying pressure with whoever you control, don't switch, and if you have another striker nearby, press square to help pressure. Do not press X at all and just follow your opponents player, standing between him and goal at close range and you might try to steal the ball from him.
3. When the opponent crosses the halfway line, it becomes more complicated. Try to make sure you always see at least 3 of your players. The furthest one down the pitch should be the one controlled by you and should stand in the way of the most obvious pass or route of the attacker. Press square and make sure that ONLY players that are further UP the pitch are helping to close the attacker down, i.e. - you are not pulling a defensive player out of position. If the opponent passes the ball quickly change by pressing L1 and control a player further down the pitch. Press square to apply pressure when you have more than one player close to the opponent.

4. Don't keep your fingers on square or X at all time; be careful with those as they just fuck up the positioning of your defenders. also try not to hold R1 unless chasing down someone.

Good Luck.

St.Zwailla
29-10-2007, 12:07
i like to play with teams like atl.madrid they r perfect for counter.att
i mean everybody can play with barca or real etc :) its just to easy...

1. gk

rb cd cd lb

dmc dmc

AMF

rwf lwf

st

2. high def. all palyers ...
3. dont hit the (X) until u r very very close to player with the ball and when the time is perfect just hit (X) !!once!! u have to practice that remember you have to have perfect timeIN cause if u have messi or the other ``fucks`` in front then you got a prob. if you have situation 1on1 ...

so practice , u have to feel the game :) predict the other player :) put 101% in def. wait for them to open up and then hit em hard :)

I hope this helps :)

SALUTE !

wak10
29-10-2007, 19:59
Hi there.
the answer is simple.
play your defence deep and play offside appropriately but put attacking cursours on both your full backs.that way when you brake with the ball your full backs will go flying forward and just play them in.play one centre back just a bit deeper than the other and a defensive midfielder just infront and close them down once they come in your half but be carefull not let your defnders get dragged out of position.
i usually play with arsenal and have good results with them when i play this way.
I won a pes tournamont playing this way and a 50 inch plasma tv.
nuff said.

Dragonfly
30-10-2007, 13:27
I have to say, I'm struggling to defend on the new PES, especially crosses and corners. I find it difficult to tackle a player without giving away free-kicks and getting booked. Every time I think I'm going to get the ball, the player changes direction and it's a foul. So far, the best way I've found to tackle someone is to pressure them as soon as they receive the ball.

As for defending crosses, I think it's my inability to keep my defenders still. When a cross comes in, I tend to move the CB a bit out of position, leaving a gap for the attacker to score. It's incredibly frustrating, but I'll just have to work at it. Whenever I concede a corner, I literally shit myself.

Tuomine
31-10-2007, 10:01
My biggest problem in new PES is that when I'm closing in front of the running attacker from side, My defender changes its direction when I press X to pressure and misses the ball and usually the attacker too.

It feels like my player is blind or something to miss the opponent completely..

In PES 6 your players made the tackle to the direction you were running and you could do perfect pressure tackles!!

It's like you should now try to take the ball away without pressing X and only run to the ball.

I could've never believed that PES6 would be a better game than PES2008

devolution
05-11-2007, 02:50
Defending is much harder in the new pes, I think the gameplay is allot more realistic now, and any floors you have in defending are easier to exploit.