PES2008 Edit Mode "Drastically Reduced" [Archive]

OldFirmBlue

04-10-2007, 20:27

* Edit mode on the next gen has been drastically reduced as expected:
* Only 9 sets of boots to choose from and kits styles are also limited to a set number of patterns

Without sounding like a "whiny bitch" :rolleyes:, noticed this on http://www.winningelevenblog.com/....

Why was it expected for the Edit mode to be drastically reduced? :erm:

Surely with the extra storage on Next Gen consoles, it should have been increased? :angry:

Any explination?

djminimaxx

04-10-2007, 20:34

woah...theirs no way dude....u knoe how much space can be put on a blue ray or hd disk 4 u xboxers.i reallllly hope thats false...editing really is needed...and it better be vaster...from what i heard previously...the edit mode is supposedly vaster..from what i heard/read..

Stella Artois

04-10-2007, 21:04

Oh noes, now you won't be able to style Ronaldo's hair to match its every little imperfection.

OldFirmBlue

04-10-2007, 21:14

Oh noes, now you won't be able to style Ronaldo's hair to match its every little imperfection.

I think you will find that my original quote was in regard to kits and boots.......

Couldn't give a fuck about Ronaldo.....;)

zeemeister

04-10-2007, 23:03

Apparently there are only 12 kit templates.
It is a little dissapointing but I mostly care about the gameplay there is no sense in getting all pissed about the lack of hairstyles, boots, kits etc. Its the gameplay that has made WE/PES what it is.
The editors and option file makers do a great job anyway.

mufcsean

04-10-2007, 23:11

The 12 kit templates will be more than enough, i cant think of more than 12 different styles of shirts, though i could be wrong

lfcboy

05-10-2007, 00:11

Dont matter how petty the details are that Konami have decided to leave out...

It is a pretty arrogant show from them to give the game 70% of their efforts and still sit back and watch the hit reviews and the sales records come flooding back in...

Seabass seems to think the game engine is perfect......

.....Its a great fun arcade kick about......and the best footie game around....

...........But its far from fucking perfect......He is obvioulsy happy to sit on his laurels and continuing to tweak the engine; add new features, take old ones away, then add them again for the next release......This smacks of a fucking scam........

I would like to see Seabass retire and pass development of the series onto a more ambitious programmers with the motivation to take the game to a new level instead of the contstant barrage of tweaks and minor modifications to the gameplay

I

That is very rude to say.

Ziss

05-10-2007, 00:22

Very rude, but he offers a valid point.

I'll comment more after I play PES2008, but there doesn't seem to be much more added from one version of PES to the next.

The Dude

05-10-2007, 03:25

can you move players in edit mode or will it be like the 360 edit mode last year.

Alij777

05-10-2007, 14:36

According to an article in www.winningelevenblog.com it states that the editing is limited. Heres the paragraph :

I was like a kid in a candy store when Michael booted up the game on a PS3, connected to a nice 40inch Sharpe TV. After seeing him (and me for a bit) getting beaten by Germany playing as England, I took the opportunity to take a look through the menu's and familiarise myself with the new look. My main interest, like many viewers, was to check out the editing functions available this year. Unfortunately it wasn't what it was lived up to be, editing wasn't a step up from the current gen options. Sure there's the ability to scan your own face in and pop in logo's & sponsors of your favourite unlicensed teams, but the basic functionality just wasn't there.

First off the 9 boots that we've seen are all whats on offer. Along with that the preset boots can't be edited. In PE6 on the PS2 you could at least create boots that resembled other brands, not this year on next gen I'm afraid. Then when checking through kit editing options I realised that the amount of preset designs to choose from have dramatically been decreased. Lets hope the new sponsor/logo import feature makes up for this.

This is a pretty recent version of the game. There's more to the article stating that the gameplay is better than the demo. Its been slowed down and golies are better. Read it for yourself :P.

fick

05-10-2007, 14:43

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo o!

Ah well. Still better than FIFA's bi-annual (or should that be anul?) offering.

Dan

05-10-2007, 15:02

If you can't register players, I doubt I'll be buying it tbh. :unsure:

zeemeister

05-10-2007, 15:50

Really? thats quite drastic, we need more people like you, it outta show that 'cheapass' that we the consumer are the ones who hold the power......so good luck with that. I been waiting too long to give up now.

axhat

05-10-2007, 16:38

I wont be buying the new release, not until I find it for a bargain on amazon or elsewhere. As stated above, there has been little to no effort put into this release. WE2007/PES is still plenty of fun and the issues I have with it are still present in the 08 version.

Unfortunately there is NO other option. This series had the potential to be as close to a real "sim" as possible, but they chose to head in the easier "arcade" direction. Hopefully they get this turned around, it isnt completely ruined yet.

Cheers!

P.S. That same site now has a video of gameplay on the PC. Cant tell if it has been slowed down, but the teams arent available in the demo.

http://www.pcaction.de/?article_id=615980

HogWild

05-10-2007, 16:56

Hang on, hang on. That review was about the PS3 version wasn't it? Does that mean that you can also put your face in the PS3 version?

If you can do that then I wouldn't be bothered if there was just one kit template and one bright pink pair of boots.

Stella Artois

05-10-2007, 17:44

john4

05-10-2007, 17:54

Just download a bootleg copy...

If they aint gonna bother their arse developing the game why should the consumer pay £30 time and time again for the exact same game with a few mods and gameplay tweaks?

Bootleg Multiplayer will be an option also using Hamachi.

PES2008 is still gonna be the best soccer game around...but fuck Konami and their arrogance...dont fund their scams.

hows bootlegging the right way to go?you take funds away from konami they have less to develop the next installment,then less,and if everybody bootlegged it guess what,there wouldnt be a PES2009 thats for sure.as for the boots thing i love my boots and i dont know why there cant be a simple edit mode and 100s of slots for storage,but so long as i can change what players wear i should be content.plus i can make myself so that makes it all bettre

and generally PES has always been arcady thats why most like it,its easy to pick up and play,unlike the slow perhaps more realistic but definently alot more boring FIFA so quit whinging god dam

Stella Artois

05-10-2007, 18:06

Good post.

I agree with you about a lot of what you have said, but to me the minor details are irrelevant so long as the game is up to standard - which it hasn't been of late.

As I'm sure you'll agree, you'd sacrifice the sounds for a better quality game of football, but Konami have yet to really improve anything at all with their last few releases.

I haven't played the demo as I don't own either an Xbox or a PES3 and I'm at Uni so wouldn't be able to connect them anyway.

Suffice to say we're not going to get a perfect game, but I'd rather that than a brilliant editing mode.

Konami need to step it up, but perhaps people should spend more time moaning about the game play, before worrying about who should be wearing which boots.

Miggy

05-10-2007, 18:07

I can't believe some of you.

I play the game as I enjoy playing football games against my mates over a few beers. I couldn't give a fuck if Fabregas is wearing Nike boots when it should be Addidas'.

I don't see why any of you do either.

When I was 15 it mattered but, like yourself, now I couldn't give a flying fuck.

It be nice if pro went back to being more underground like it once was. Everyone moans about it these days.

Dragonfly

05-10-2007, 18:19

The kit editing mode was a fantastic mode and was missed from PES6, but I got over it pretty quickly. I would prefer if PES2008 did have a full editing mode like in PES5, but 12 kits and 9 boots is fine by me, as long as you can change colours of the kits, which I'm sure you can. Of course gameplay comes first, but it is frustrating when you've been given a great feature, then it gets taken away without explanation. It's (exactly) like third world countries being given aid then it being taken away.

Miggy

05-10-2007, 18:22

Dragonfly

05-10-2007, 18:24

I'm sure I've still got AIDS.

:ninja:

http://students.ou.edu/S/Forest.D.Sharp-1/ninja%20eyes.jpg

PacMan

05-10-2007, 19:00

and generally PES has always been arcady thats why most like it,its easy to pick up and play,unlike the slow perhaps more realistic but definently alot more boring FIFA so quit whinging god dam

PES arcadish? FIFA more realistic? I'm at a loss for words. You must be waay younger than me. Ever played FIFA 99 or 2000? Just think that those games were around at the same time as PES 2, and even PES 3. You can see there was NO comparison there, really, PES was more FAR more realistic.

Yet it's interesting that you say what you say, because we, as loyal, hardcore players of PES since the PS1 days may have lost a bit of perspective on how our game has devolved (or rather, just "stayed there"). Looking at next-gen FIFA 08, I can understand why a newcomer or recent player would deem FIFA the simulation and PES the arcade, one-week entertainment. Truly sad, and we owe it to Seabass. The man who made it, broke it.

OldFirmBlue

05-10-2007, 19:19

I can't believe some of you.

I play the game as I enjoy playing football games against my mates over a few beers. I couldn't give a fuck if Fabregas is wearing Nike boots when it should be Addidas'.

I don't see why any of you do either.

Look, you are missing the point completly! :erm:

The original question was why it has been reduced. I'm not too fussed with editing, christ I only used a max drive for the first time last year. You would think that it would be increased with the size of the PS3 and X-Box 360!

Understand now!....It might be completly irrelevant for you cause "you don't give a fuck about Ronaldo's hair or Fabregas boots" but it's certainaly a question that some people would want answered!

reddevils

05-10-2007, 19:52

iam gettin sick of PES and its non improvements

the master league has been the same for 4 years FFS. and now they dont even have a proper edit mode :S so as years go by the features get less or they just stay the same?

and the gameplay on PS2 is better then the 360 version(but the 360 does have better AI)

the gameplay might be great but THATS IT, there is nothing else that is great about it ANYMORE.

lazy developers imo

Dragonfly

05-10-2007, 19:58

I think the Master League has been improved a lot this time round (from what I've seen). Maybe that's one of the reasons the edit modes aren't up to scratch? I think the most annoying thing is that there doesn't seem to be an official statement saying why this is, instead of everyone guessing.

Jake Small

05-10-2007, 20:44

Nope, fuck them, if they are gonna piss about and break something as important as the shooting then they aint getting my cash. UNLESS this crucial feature of the game is FIXED, I will be going BOOTLEG and I would urge everyone else to do the same.

Wait for the full game. First of all, this is very likely a result of some kind of lack of understanding of mechanics on your part that will be explained to you in the full game tutorial or instruction manual.

There is a small chance that it is a demo flaw that will be tidied for the full version.

There is an incredibly miniscule chance that the Pro Evo team has actually "broken" the shooting mechanics this time around.

Maybe freaking out is fun though?

Jake Small

05-10-2007, 20:48

I can understand why a newcomer or recent player would deem FIFA the simulation and PES the arcade, one-week entertainment. Truly sad, and we owe it to Seabass. The man who made it, broke it.

Seriously, what the hell are you talking about? How is PES arcadey at all? How is it broken? Can you explain or are you just another complainer, upset because he has to learn another version?

john4

05-10-2007, 21:40

PES arcadish? FIFA more realistic? I'm at a loss for words. You must be waay younger than me. Ever played FIFA 99 or 2000? Just think that those games were around at the same time as PES 2, and even PES 3. You can see there was NO comparison there, really, PES was more FAR more realistic.

Yet it's interesting that you say what you say, because we, as loyal, hardcore players of PES since the PS1 days may have lost a bit of perspective on how our game has devolved (or rather, just "stayed there"). Looking at next-gen FIFA 08, I can understand why a newcomer or recent player would deem FIFA the simulation and PES the arcade, one-week entertainment. Truly sad, and we owe it to Seabass. The man who made it, broke it.

wtf are you babbling about, "we as loyal hardcore players" youve got like 15 posts ive been on here for a while and playing PES for a while,not that how many posts determines how long youve been playing this game for but i could easily start an account on a halo site and start sayinghow im a veteran and im ace at all the games wheras ive never played them,anyways a bit off point.

but your telling me football is played as fast as PES?or closer to the pace of FIFA?and fuck Fifa 99 or whatever you mentioned thats not what were discussing,football is played at a slow pace in generall with bursts of spead,how often do you pass backwards to defenders and keepers on PES?personally never,they do it all time in football,slow build it working the ball,thats what you gotta do on FIFA but its boring,PES is more direct.i couldnt ever imagine seeing FIFA in an arcade but PES i could.infact i remember some time ago on the front page of this site there was news of a pub machine of PES hitting the streets.anyways ive babbled on a bit,sorry just annoyed me a little

Original?

05-10-2007, 21:40

Do any of you people think that PES 2008 will have a signifcantly reduced editting mode on the PS2? It won't. Next-gen consoles have never had an extensive edit mode, so they're not technically 'taking it away', when you make advancements in graphics, animation and physics it becomes significantly more difficult to develop an easy to use editor for such graphics.

Give it time, the editting features will return as the next-gen games bed-down on the new systems.

but your telling me football is played as fast as PES?or closer to the pace of FIFA?and fuck Fifa 99 or whatever you mentioned thats not what were discussing,football is played at a slow pace in generall with bursts of spead,how often do you pass backwards to defenders and keepers on PES?personally never,they do it all time in football,slow build it working the ball,thats what you gotta do on FIFA but its boring,PES is more direct.i couldnt ever imagine seeing FIFA in an arcade but PES i could.infact i remember some time ago on the front page of this site there was news of a pub machine of PES hitting the streets.anyways ive babbled on a bit,sorry just annoyed me a little

Against the AI there's very little need to do so as it's rather poor and easy to beat even on the highest setting. Were you to be playing a highly skilled player you'd be struggling to keep possession playing as you would against the AI, and I guarantee you'd be passing it back to your back four and your keeper.

Dragonfly

05-10-2007, 22:04

I think the game is going to turn out to be great (on the 360, it seem the PS3 version is going to be weaker), and people will be raving about it again, but again saying it's not as good as PES4/5.

kashmunny

05-10-2007, 22:10

fink ye, as long as the kits are the rite colours, an the boots are gd enuff, hu cares, u dnt play betta bcoz the kit is perfect, but still it wud be nice :D

Jake Small

05-10-2007, 22:29

I have been playing ProEv since day one and familiar with Konami's habit of adding features and then taking them away again (Remember the throw ins in PES3.....weren't they a huge improvement over every throw in systme since.......SO WHERE ARE THEY??).

Yes I agree with this. This is a feature of ALL game design though and it's not going away.

You seem to have a good handle on your perspective. Every year though these boards are inundated with whining about how horribly bad the new version of PES is, and it's usually because people cannot adapt their style of play.

From playing many releases of PES extensively with friends, I know that the initial perceptions of the versions are often shallow, and the new versions take a lot of getting used to, and always seem like vast improvements in the long run (gameplay wise).

Like you say I think we'll just have to wait and see on the shooting mechanic.

marscay

06-10-2007, 11:00

i don't think it's a matter of adapting the style of play with regards to PES2008, more the drastic gameplay change even from PES6.

i've been playing since ISS Pro 98 on PSX and all i can say is that i hope the final version plays nothing like the demo because it's pretty bad in all seriousness.

way too fast, keepers suck, shooting sucks (it's dumbed down for morons with no skill) and the AI doesn't seem smart it just starts to cheat by intercepting passes and dominating challenges.

john4

06-10-2007, 11:14

in truth if the shooting is soo much easier come final release its thanks to all them twats who complained it was shite last time coz they couldnt hack its physics.only complaint i had last time was the only way to get power and not float it over was to hit it first time.i can see this version been sent to appeal to even more casual gamers due to the beating PES6 360 took.

marvito

06-10-2007, 17:29

The 12 kit templates will be more than enough, i cant think of more than 12 different styles of shirts, though i could be wrong

You reckon?! on my ps2 version with option file my kit for chelsea is not the correct template if this is still a problem i will be fucked off.

S-D-P

08-10-2007, 19:40

it is disapointing the lack of effort konami sometimes show but as a 360 owner it cant get worse than last year. As long as you can edit players boots and register player i wont be to disapointed. Does anyone else recall seabass promising an extensive edit mode last year?

ads

08-10-2007, 20:16

fink ye, as long as the kits are the rite colours, an the boots are gd enuff, hu cares, u dnt play betta bcoz the kit is perfect, but still it wud be nice :D

However much this guys use of the English language pissed me off, he makes a good point and exactly how I feel about it.

CaptainCabinet

08-10-2007, 20:17

However much this guys use of the English language pissed me off, he makes a good point and exactly how I feel about it.

Tenuous if you ask me.

Dragonfly

08-10-2007, 20:21

Tenuous if you ask me.

Not even tenuous. Maybe about fouruous.

ads

08-10-2007, 20:24

...as a 360 owner it cant get worse than last year...

Too fucking right, last year was an absolute disaster.

I remember picking it up on release day and thinking my copy was fucked cos there was no edit mode.

So this year, so long as register player is a feature i'll be happy, I dont ask for much, so long as its playable as all others have been then i'll play it to death im sure.

ads

08-10-2007, 20:26

Not even tenuous. Maybe about fouruous.

In all honesty i'd say it was zerouous.

Dragonfly

08-10-2007, 20:29

I remember picking it up on release day and thinking my copy was fucked cos there was no edit mode.

I was exactly the same. I looked through the game manual and noticed it was a lot thinner than the previous games, and I thought maybe the game you get with the Xbox360 PES6 package is not the complete game, and that I had to buy the complete version. The game play was still really good, but I was disappointed I couldn't create my ML team like in PES5.

S-D-P

08-10-2007, 20:34

Too fucking right, last year was an absolute disaster.

I remember picking it up on release day and thinking my copy was fucked cos there was no edit mode.

So this year, so long as register player is a feature i'll be happy, I dont ask for much, so long as its playable as all others have been then i'll play it to death im sure.

i think the stamford bridge and old trafford mutation ground opitimised everything that was wrong with the game last year. Player registration is a must as the game will be useless when the summer transfers are in full swing,i dont know anything about game development but i fail to see how hard this option would be to implement.

Cellini 16

09-10-2007, 14:27

Too fucking right, last year was an absolute disaster.

I remember picking it up on release day and thinking my copy was fucked cos there was no edit mode.

So this year, so long as register player is a feature i'll be happy, I dont ask for much, so long as its playable as all others have been then i'll play it to death im sure.
you've got a point there, one of my major gripes was not being able to transfer players, like tevez/nani/anderson for example

as long as you can do that, and the kits are pretty close to the real thing, i couldnt give a flying donkey cock about editing the stadiums and so on

wrathchild_uk

09-10-2007, 14:29

Least there was a Old Trafford/Stamford bridge ground on the last version there aint either in the knew one.. :crymore:

heatuk10

09-10-2007, 16:54

I hope we can change the team names hate the merseyside red and north london shit! I understand people dont like edit mode but some like me do! to edit kits gives the game a better look and better expierience for me! and if this is true bout the poor edit mode then il be disapointed! cant see it being as bad as that guy says! but from the gameplay on the demo! I can see it change slightly to the full edition, but and the mo its slick, if a little fast but am sure they will be ironed out for its release! plus the master league has had a overhaul so much work has gone into this! this is where most achievements on 360 will be hiding this year

wrathchild_uk

09-10-2007, 19:45

Be good to see some screenshots of what kit templates are available on pes7..

vagorillas

23-10-2007, 13:00

Don't panic guys. I just bought the game here in Cyprus for PS2.

The edit mode is exactly the same as in PES6.

So no probs for PS2 gamers!!!

Haven't had the chance to "explore" the game even more as I'm back to work. I played the first half of a 10 minute game and it looks similar to PES6. I'm sure there are changes to be found.

Rooney's face is freckled btw!!!

ads

23-10-2007, 13:04

vagorillas

23-10-2007, 14:34

i'm reading the manual as we speak. every move is exactly the same as pes6.

There is no mention of a "dive" move though.

Martin Trick

23-10-2007, 17:11

stop crying its a game if u dont like it then dont buy it simple as

Martin Trick

23-10-2007, 17:13