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Lisbon67Seville03
21-05-2003, 22:44
How can that man who "refereed" the ceeltic-porto game be considered a fifa referee. he is disgusting, a man of slime. his terrible job cost celtic a trophy of a lifetime. pardon me, but he should be shit on by pigs he is that aweful. why in god's name was pierluigi collina not refereeing that game?!? he is the worlds best, that is his game! why would you let swamp shite referee a game as badly as that while collina is sitting at home washing his tights. and porto's tactics deserved 4 or 5 red cards. their scorer of two, i dont know his name, was diving like it was a god damned olympic swimming pool. they make me sick and are what is wrong with the footballing world today. the referee will be lucky to live thorugh the night with his aweful performance!!! i almost threw up when he sent off balde. if balde deserved a red, hitler deserved a sainthood!!! i am horrified! please tell me that ref will be sacked and that player will be given a red card ban for incesant diving. if you'll excuse me, i have to go be sick at the sight of those shitheads lifting their trophy unjustly...if they adnt dove all over the pitch and cheated, i would have accepted it, but they were aweful.
Zygalski
21-05-2003, 23:39
Sorry mate.
That's the way most of the continentals play it these days.
Do we reckon a British ref would have done better?
I'm sure Collina is getting ready for the Champion's League final.
He can't do both.
I didn't watch it all. Who was that guy on the pitch at the start of the second half?
He looked like he would have been a good ref!
:D
Lisbon67Seville03
21-05-2003, 23:41
i suppose, but collina cant do the champions league cuz there is an italian(well two) team in there. hes ineligible, thats why i was wondering where he was. but cest la vie! theres always next year.
Zygalski
21-05-2003, 23:50
I didn't know he couldn't do it 'cos of that.
Isn't that racist?
If anything, he'll know them better than anyone and will handle it the best.
Lisbon67Seville03
21-05-2003, 23:56
its pretty stupid, i know, but they're afraid he might be biased. which, if you watch serie A, is not true in any way. i suppose it is kinda racism, but then, would you like it if man utd made it into the final and got mike reilly to be ref at old trafford, lets just say the box would be crowded...ahem.
Zygalski
21-05-2003, 23:58
If it was Italian versus another country, it would make a little sense but if it's an all Italian final, how can he be biased based on his nationality?
Lisbon67Seville03
22-05-2003, 00:05
i know, but UEFA say that thats the fairest way. i say they should go with the best referee, not the best nationality. anders frisk couldve done the UEFA cup, or maybe Kim-Milton Nielsen, some one less whistle-happy than that waste of space Michel.
Gooner_Harmer
22-05-2003, 21:26
Michel was truly awful. I am a referee myself and although this does not qualify me as someone with a better judgement than any of you, I would personally have let the game flow a lot more. But thats just my opinion.
Anders Frisk is not that great a referee, Kim Milton-Nielsen is good, but Collina is the nuts!
I understand that it would be better to have a neutral ref, who would never have reffed the players before, simply because they wouldn't have been able to form an opinion of the players/team.
Lisbon67Seville03
22-05-2003, 22:07
im only going off frisk as he is fairer than a lot of refs, like michel. i want to know what did you, as a ref, think of Balde's double bookings? me, as a lifelong football watcher of everything from brazilian to chilean to conference to russian, i think it was artrocious to give a booking for either foul, the second one might have been acceptable because at pace, it looks bad, but when you slow it down, balde doesnt even touch the man. that might just be the opinion of a lifelong celtic fan, but thats just what i though. and also, is there not a rule that if a player is stratchered of more than once, he has to be subbed? cuz capucho and derlei were both stretchered off at least 3 times each.
Gooner_Harmer
22-05-2003, 22:25
Erm as far as I'm aware that has never been a rule. Where did you hear it?
As for the contact: Continental players are continental players. They have temper tantrums and are play actors. Face it.
Lisbon67Seville03
22-05-2003, 22:31
mustve been an urban legend, oh well. i know that continental players are play-actors, so, maybe if their gonna dive about and get players sent off, then we should send in a tom boyd(for celtic) or a martin keown(maybe not, i cant think of anyone else who is old and who's career is coming to an end soon) to really actually hurt them to teach them a lesson. but then that might be perceived as assualt.
PES Master
23-05-2003, 07:24
The streaker gave me something to laugh about.
But despite what went down on the pitch didn't the fans make celtic and football in general proud? OK the booing was unfortunate but understandable
rebusrahman
23-05-2003, 13:49
We shouldn't have to just say continentals are play-actors. FIFA were meant to back a directive to stamp out play-acting (just like the 6-second rule with keepers) and it's hasn't really worked as it's down to the ref's interpretation. Before I forget, Lisbon67Seville03, sorry about the ref...only saw bits and that wasn't good.
It needs to be tackled with more conviction and hard fair tackles should not be punished because the ref is continental. What else? I do not like Nielsen, I'm afraid, but we all know Collina is the man. Why he doesn't do a video, "The Pierluigi Plan" for £14.99 or €25 I dunno!
Lisbon67Seville03
24-05-2003, 01:28
id buy that video, and then send it to Lubos Michel.
Gooner_Harmer
24-05-2003, 09:57
Well I speak from experience when I say this:
I have played in a total of 7 overseas tournaments, ranging from my local district side to the county and the area of East Anglia, it's been a real priviledge. But one thing I notice when we go there is the blatant disgust for the 'English' I myself do not understand, it seems we play fair tackle hard, but we are hated? It's strange.
Anyway, this particular tournament I played in called the 'Dana Cup' is an international tournament with teams ranging from Saudi Arabia to South Korea and Brazil to name a few. Remeber people from Peru etc (The third world, that sort of area, are the best because you do not pay all that travelling money to a tournament if you are a poor team.)
Anyway we had got to the last 4 of this 128 club tournament and we were due to play the Saudi's, who before the game tried to 'jump' our players in the local town. So tempers were high and when we started the game with our newly acquried friends from Norway (At least someone liked us!) we noticed how physical they were and they had a blatant disregard for our safety so we did the same. Except when they are tackled badly they do 12 rolls crying, but when they take you out you are then subjected to abuse for being on the floor.
We then got one of their players sent off :). My friend took a dive after literally being touched on his face. He roll around holding it and the ref was suckered into sending the poor boy off.
In the end we lost on penalties after a 4-4 draw.
But the point im trying to make is that no matter what, We the British are hated. It's a fact of life and unfrotunately we try to play a fair game. But when the opposition don't, it makes fair football hard.
Lisbon67Seville03
25-05-2003, 02:39
well said, i agree that the british are hated. but does that excuse make it proper for them to do that, its pretty disgraceful and fifa and uefa should look into it and sort it out.
Zygalski
25-05-2003, 03:50
Sorry to hear of those foreigners attitudes.
It kind of sucks if they act way when young people play.
It could be political too.
Great Britain - Nil Points.
Gooner_Harmer
25-05-2003, 15:29
Originally posted by Zygalski
Sorry to hear of those foreigners attitudes.
It kind of sucks if they act way when young people play.
It could be political too.
Great Britain - Nil Points.
The Eurovison song contest was decided purely on polictical views. Look at how we and Spain did.
GB are hated politically and in general, it's sad to see.
at least we came in a close second after turkey :D
not my cup of tea though
Gooner_Harmer
25-05-2003, 16:41
Who heard the Russians being booed because the Turks absolutely hate them? lol.
Well it was a disgrace that it is now politcal rather than based on the singers.
Lisbon67Seville03
25-05-2003, 20:49
how did we get from referees and players discriminating brits to the eurovision song contest?i thought that was over now, like for good!
Zygalski
25-05-2003, 23:37
To be fair, the British team gave an awful performance and were singing so badly and really off-key.
No doubt they will get in the top ten over here soon!
Gooner_Harmer
25-05-2003, 23:39
Originally posted by Zygalski
To be fair, the British team gave an awful performance and were singing so badly and really off-key.
No doubt they will get in the top ten over here soon!
In the end I was hoping we would have no points it looked quite funny!
We got on this line of conversation, simply because we are victimised at everything now! I may convert and become an Aussie like my mom!
Zygalski
25-05-2003, 23:56
Then you'd have to play cricket...
Gooner_Harmer
25-05-2003, 23:59
Originally posted by Zygalski
Then you'd have to play cricket...
I do anyway. I suck but we all play for the school simply for the journeys and to take the piss out of the 'posh' boys.
Lisbon67Seville03
26-05-2003, 21:41
if you're an aussie, you could play anything and you'd be better than the english.
Zygalski
26-05-2003, 22:17
Good point.
Shame really.
The British Government wastes billions on things like war when it could use a small part of it on sports academies like the Aussies.
Would you have more respect for a country with a good army or one with good sporting achievements?
Lisbon67Seville03
26-05-2003, 22:19
these days, since we're in cahoot with the best army, while they are the dumbest, in the world in america. so id say sports.
Zygalski
26-05-2003, 22:34
("ha ha - where's professor Liebstrom?!") :D
Gooner 4 Life
27-05-2003, 18:59
How can english people call foreigners cheats and divers when Michael Owen dived for the penalty against Argentina. Ashley Cole used to dive constantly as do many of the united players. Diving is part of the game, just dont cry bout it, works agaisnt every team.
Zygalski
27-05-2003, 19:30
Diving like Owen did is one thing. He did dive and we all know it.
But most continentals dive all over the pitch and cry like babies after rolling around 7 times pretending to be injured. And most of them do it with the intention of getting opposition players booked or sent off which isn't great sportsmanship.
timedwins7
27-05-2003, 19:37
I dont think Owen dived against Argentina. He fell with style, ill put it. For me there is a difference...
Diving is when there is absolutely no contact
Falling with style is when there is minimal contact, but contact is contact no matter how big or small, and if it stops the attacking player, then its a foul, if its in the penalty box, its a penalty.
Zygalski
27-05-2003, 19:50
Fair enough but some people fall easier than others whether there is a touch or not and some people stay on their feet despite a strong contact.
Owen knew what he was doing and most would call it a dive.
Tim, you're confusing me now!
I don't know what to call what now...
timedwins7
27-05-2003, 19:51
lol! sorry!
Did anyone see in the first 20 seconds of this years FA Cup Final when Henry was blatantly fouled, and couldve easily gone down and got a penalty and the defender sent off, but he didnt, an it goes to show, you dont have to go down, so these people that trip up on a blade of grass are blatantly diving/falling over on purpose.
Zygalski
27-05-2003, 20:06
You read my mind. Henry is who I was thinking about too.
Anyway, back to the continentals.
Boo!!! Cheaters! Hissss!!
And was it Henry that was booked later in the same game for...........diving?
Zygalski
27-05-2003, 20:13
I thinkso, but the point was he did well at the start of the match and that was a good example of staying up when it was easy to go down.
I don't remember but did he complain about the booking?
Sure, Henry seems to be a good honest pro. But the question is, why dive and would he have gladly accepted the free kick/penalty?
I do agree that every team has at least one player that plays onthe edge of dishonesty but,correct me if i'm wrong, there have been very few teams in history where every player has deliberately played outside the law and with scant regard for their fellow professionals. Porto have a nice shiny trophy but Celtic can look themselves in the mirror every day knowing that they are honest.
timedwins7
27-05-2003, 21:08
Henry didn't complain at all, infact, when he was interviewed post match he apologized to football fans and said it wudnt happen again.
Gooner_Harmer
27-05-2003, 21:35
Originally posted by real11
Sure, Henry seems to be a good honest pro. But the question is, why dive and would he have gladly accepted the free kick/penalty?
I do agree that every team has at least one player that plays onthe edge of dishonesty but,correct me if i'm wrong, there have been very few teams in history where every player has deliberately played outside the law and with scant regard for their fellow professionals. Porto have a nice shiny trophy but Celtic can look themselves in the mirror every day knowing that they are honest.
The questions as an honest player that you have to ask yourself are...
A) If others can get away with it, why don't I do it?
B) If they do, I should, it's only fair, isn't it?
I personally try to play the game as far as possible, but absolutely no one plays it 100% honest. Think about it, do you reject a throw-in given to you? Of course you don't, you see it as 'Well it's happened to me before', but by thinking that way, are you not in some way a cheat?
It seems to me the game is very dishonest nowadays and that profesionals are only too happy to see their fellow pro's sent off. That in my view is disgusting.
But, if you see it on TV at thirteen, your going to try it aren't you? It's a bad influence.
I was once told, 'The foreigners do it, so should you', (At a foreign tournament, where they wouldn't stop doing it.) I ignored this advice because my personal pride is enough to allow me to ignore such stupid comments and to play a fair and honest game.
Gooner 4 Life
28-05-2003, 11:16
But if you had the chance to dive and win your team a penalty to win the cup or stay on your feet and lose the cup, what would you do? Personally I would go down.
timedwins7
28-05-2003, 11:17
If you did dive, you could never look at yourself honestly again, and the guilt that you cheated the other team out, will stay forever. Id stay up
Gooner 4 Life
28-05-2003, 11:20
But youd still have that medal...
timedwins7
28-05-2003, 11:34
youd have a medal and a cup etc, but you know that you havn't WON them. you've cheated to get them.
Zygalski
28-05-2003, 12:17
Would you do if the opposition had just got away with it and you have a great chance of doing the same?
To equalise maybe.
timedwins7
28-05-2003, 12:39
hmm....not sure, it all depends on the spur of the moment for me! i don't dive at all really.
Zygalski
28-05-2003, 14:16
Me neither.
Too honest!
And probably unconvincing if I tried...
Gooner_Harmer
28-05-2003, 21:33
Originally posted by timedwins7
youd have a medal and a cup etc, but you know that you havn't WON them. you've cheated to get them.
I agree, you're medals would be tarnished and you would have to live with the guilt.
i absolutly hate divers :mad: it is a cheatin and timewastin thing. the celtic vs porto game was ridiculous . the amount of time that was wasted by the porto players divin was just stupid. IMO there has 2 b more punishment 4 clear divin !
Lisbon67Seville03
29-05-2003, 15:28
all i know is that divers should just be ignored. sure, owen did dive, but is he famous for diving? i hardly ever see him go down. but a player like derlei or capucho should just be ignored even if it is a foul, bow who cried wolf situation.
Difficult because most hold their heads and ref can't take the chance of serious injury. But look at Del Pierro last night. Took 'accidental' slap in the face, didn't roll around but had nasty cut. Perfect professional.
Zygalski
29-05-2003, 18:44
Don't start on me but someone could argue that he was professional, yes, but he was also on the losing team.
No doubt a Porto player would have rolled around, maybe getting the opposition player booked or sent off. Booked would be bad too as he would have to be careful.
Diving and such is used to gain an advantage over the opposition.
I don't really have a point here.
Just noticed the idea.
"Diving and such is used to gain an advantage over the opposition"
NO Diving and such is cheating, it has no place in football any other sport or in society. Del Pierro was not a loser last night because he failed to get an opponent sent off. He is a winner because he left the pitch with great dignity.
Well my fellow SPL points (but not goal difference achievers) it could have been worse.......
How you aks?
Let me tell you, HUGH DALLAS!!!!, if the old firm games he does is anything to go by, Celtic would have had a couple of penalties agaist..... (Cheers Hugh, He's a true blue)
I was nearly sick on 2 occasions on Sunday
1. When rangers were about to take a (Championship Deciding) penalty... Given their recent record...
2. Chris Suttons Extremey poor sportsman ship, He's saying Dunfermline Lay down, Although thats the 2nd 6-1 of the season against them (they'rejust shite)..... But did Killie????
Well, if it's anything to go by, Porto's tactics were a disgrace, Bobo did deserve his sending off, and if thats the way to beat the tic I hope Big Eck's got it taped!!!!
I'm Sorry.. Is gloating allowed?
Seems like I'mreplying to a post thats a good few pages/topic changes old.....
:(
Didn't read all of the rest but Diving is the most annoying aspect of Football. And I also would be so unconvincing that i would be be booked, not for diving, but for making an arse of myself.....
:P
Zygalski
30-05-2003, 14:53
Of course diving is cheating.
That is what I was impying.
They dive to con the ref to gain an advantage they don't deserve - hence they are cheating.
It shouldn't have a place in the game but it is all over the place from the top to the bottom. Who is going to eradicate it and how?
We, the fans can eradicate it by not going to matches...not buying replica shirts........not subscribing to Satellite....walking out of the stadium in anger. Hit the clubs where it hurts, their wallets. Force the money men to force the coaches to order the players to cut it out or be fired. Football is in crisis with finances and the increase of violence. Clubs have an obligation to the fans not to cheat them any more. Start by the crackdown on theatricals and the fans will gladly watch and enjoy football for many years to come. And give referees more power without constantly criticising them.
Zygalski
30-05-2003, 16:26
I'm not sure that would work.
There were always a few people going to watch Wimbledon despite a fans walkout and stuff.
Fans will always go to matches, even if they are hooligans there to cause trouble.
Maybe if fans boo divers a lot and shine torches at them like a spotlight it may make them think.
As you say there were still a FEW fans going to Wimbledon (mostly away supporters) and don't the opposition fans already boo. And Torches!!! fans would throw the things at the player
Lisbon67Seville03
30-05-2003, 18:21
to go back, you said del piero was on the losing team, he wasnt losing, in fact juventus were never "actually" losing, at that point. he is just a true football man. and yes, hank, from a tim, sutton was out of order to say dunfermline. but then again, he would've said it, whether or not rangers crushed them or barely scraped past. and im sure a rangers player/fan/famous celeb fan would have said the same thing had the hoops won the league that day. so it was always going to happen. and whats happened has happened, we cant change that. rangers are the league champions, but lets just see if they will sacrafice europe for the league for the 31st season in a row(going back to barcelona, 1972, i truely hate that year, but you'll no doubt love it). that was the last great run they had in europe, unless u want to correct me, cuz im not sure.
Zygalski
30-05-2003, 18:48
What I meant about Del Piero was that it could have been interpreted as he did not take an advantage he could have, which full points to him he didn't.
He was on the losing team means his team lost the match.
If he had reacted and got Nesta or whoever it was booked or sent off then that would be an advantage.
But he didn't and I'm glad.
But I did doze off during the first half...
It's true, the real final was Man Utd V Real Madrid.
That would have been a much better final.
And all that dodgy stuff that UEFA ordered Man Utd, such as they're not allowed to open their shop on the night of the final or have any banners which say United showing. That was sad.
The team awarded the final has a right to make something out of it.
What was the deal with those huge balls hung above the pitch?
The match ball could have bounced off one of those causing controversy.
Gooner 4 Life
01-06-2003, 12:23
If someone could kick the ball that high they'd be in the guiness book of records cuz thats quite a way up
Lisbon67Seville03
01-06-2003, 14:06
and im sure that it would go out off play if you hit it above the stadium, maybe. and the banner thing is quite bad, i mean, i hate man utd most out of premiership, but they were the hosts. im sure, during the WC that there would've been japanese flags and s. korean flags at the stadiums in those countries, whether or not s. korea or japan were playing there. so, it is quite unfair.
rebusrahman
04-06-2003, 14:38
Surely though the Man U players had free seats to watch the final?
davybhoy
10-06-2003, 19:02
Firstly let me commend uefa on their fair play stance (sic). Secondly the thing that annoyed me when I was watching the uefa cup final was the blatent cheating of derlai the Brazilian striker , he was stretchered off 3 times before having enough energy to last 120 minutes in strenght sapping heat and humidity to score the winner. Teams like Porto and their ilk dont need to resort to these kind of tactics because teqnically they are far superior to most of the teams that they would meet in european competition, and could easily beat them playing fairly. However I feel they will continue to play like they did in the uefa cup final because they usually win playing that way
rebusrahman
10-06-2003, 22:05
Whatever happened to the FIFA directive to refs to penalise "simulation"!
The FIFA directive states that the player has to be trying to deceive the ref....i.e diving, pretending to be struck. What Derlei did was get the decision of a foul from the ref then feigning injury. He hadn't technically deceived the ref to get a playing advantage. This is the kind of thing that Fifa has to notice and alter their rules
rebusrahman
11-06-2003, 08:40
Real 11, cheers for clearing that up... and you're right FIFA do need to do something.
Gooner 4 Life
11-06-2003, 11:00
The real final was AC Milan Vs Juventus because they were the best 2 teams in the competition because they got to the final. simple as.
rebusrahman
12-06-2003, 13:35
I'm sure whatshisface was only figuratively speaking, Gooner.
would that stupid celtic fan shut up!you lost so face it.scottish refs are just as biased towards celtic so it serves you right you republican!
no surrender!
Zygalski
09-07-2003, 00:17
Less of that please, elmchee.
sorry zygalski but it pisses me off when wankers moan about poor refs and diving foreigners.celtic were outplayed by a BETTER TEAM!
Zygalski
10-07-2003, 06:56
Got no problem with that but try to cut down on the republican stuff.
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