Arsenal

[JoeyM]

Gallas was excellent, had little to do defensively, but got forward well and could of scored in the first half but shot wide. His goal was good, Henry chipped Cesc in, who took a touch, then Gallas burst in front of him and volleyed it into the top corner from 6 yards.

[Nturtle]

seol plays for reading


What the hell was I drinking?!?!?! HAHA! Sorry...off the ball on that one...

Finally a win...great! I think Fab is back to being an impact player and distributing well, and surprisingly...Eboue did one good pass/cross...for Henry header...odds on that one must have been good!

[Ronaldo_is_fat]

Great score but we did had hard times. Lets hope our final touch improves when Henry is fit.

[Viperized]

:laugh:

Anyway, 3-0 for you guys is a very positive result. Maybe a changing point of the season, really glad about Gallas scoring. Was he good overall? And how was his goal like?
Gallas was superb. His goal opened the game up.

Henry chips the ball in the penalty box, beating two defenders. Fabregas then has a touch on the ball but Gallas steals it off him and smashes the ball in the roof of the net.

[Ronaldo_is_fat]

Again I never knew what Wenger sees in Ljungberg. He is not the player he used to be. Losted a bag of pace after his injury and was never successful in taking players. Having him on the wing will absolutely bring no end products. He has done absolutely nothing in the passed few games and should be dropped for Hleb or Rosicky.

[Dundon's]

Anybody know what station/link that is covering the Gunners game tonight?

SKY, RTE and ITV are all showing the UTD for fucks sake. :angry:

[Barry]

Nederland 3, but it's Dutch. When a Dutch team isn't playing, it either picks out the topfixture or what could be most interesting for us Dutch.

[Dragonfly]

It's on ITV4, Dundon.

[Dundon's]

It's on ITV4, Dundon.

Have you got a code for it dude I ain't tuned it in yet. :no:

EDIT:Ok I just found this so I'm gonna check it out and see if I get it...

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds25688.html

EDIT2: Ok it works :)

frequency:10.758, V, 22.0, 5/6 ;)

[Stella Artois]

Got to say it's got boring now. We're well worth the 2-0 so far and hopefully we keep it defensively sound until the end.

Absolutely brilliant by Eboue and a decent goal by Hleb too. :cool:

[Viperized]

Can't see the damn game as my Sky box isn't working. :(

[Jonny2J]

Cheers lad currently winning my accumulator. ;)

[Stella Artois]

Can't see the damn game as my Sky box isn't working. :(

Should of used the site I gave you. Prat!

[fluke88]

Whats the game been like Stella? you had the game from the start?

[Rossy Boy]

hopefully we dont let in a goal in the 5mins like last time

[Stella Artois]

First five minutes we were absolutely electric then they came into the game until the 20th minute without actually doing anything. Van Persie missed an absolute sitter and we had a few long range shots until Eboue delivered the best cross I've seen for many a year and Henry scored a great header back across the box.

We then scored a few minutes after the restart and generally we've been in control without them ever threatening to do much.

[Viperized]

Eboue's cross was absolutely brilliant. It has to be one of the best crosses I've seen. I have no idea how he pulled that one out, especially with the defender right on him.

Hleb's goal was great too. Great build-up play between Gallas and Henry led to the goal. It was a fine finish.

[Jonny2J]

Nice to see Hleb shooting, wish he'd do it more often.

[Stella Artois]

Did you see the left foot effort he had? :S

I agree though, he always seems to want to cut inside.

[fluke88]

Got a good crack on him has he?

[Jonny2J]

Did you see the left foot effort he had? :S

I agree though, he always seems to want to cut inside.Nar mate i'm watching the highlights now though.

[wrigh2uk]

Did you see the left foot effort he had? :S

I agree though, he always seems to want to cut inside.


I saw it :crymore:




Great win for us though, Did you see the yellow Card Rosicky got for a perfectly timed slide tackle. I think the refs want to use your P's and Q's to get the ball these days.

[Dundon's]

2 headers in two weeks for Henry, WTF is going on with our club!!!!

All jokes aside we played a solid game and rarely looked troubled, could of been 3 or 4 if we didn't just toy with them for the last 20 minutes.

4 wins on the trot now peeps...

[Jake Small]

I wonder if Gallas will start taking a liking to playing on the side if he keeps linking up with Henry on offense :D

In the WC he was great as CB (I don't remember him playing there much at Chelsea TBH but I know he prefers it)... but he is playing very well as a fullback, IMO!

[papa]

What happened to Djourou in the warm up?

[Viperized]

I wonder if Gallas will start taking a liking to playing on the side if he keeps linking up with Henry on offense :D

In the WC he was great as CB (I don't remember him playing there much at Chelsea TBH but I know he prefers it)... but he is playing very well as a fullback, IMO!
Gallas was playing as a CB. Hoyte was at LB.

[Jake Small]

Doh! I didn't watch the game, but he's looked good on the side so far. No djourou? Are they going to try to move Gallas into the middle and continue with Hoyte? :erm:

[Stella Artois]

Djourou was injured in the warm-up so Hoyte was brought into the side at the last minute.

[Nturtle]

It appears Eboue has taken a few minutes to think...and work on his crosses in training! Good job sir! Defensively he still needs to work harder, but attacking wise...he is getting as agressive and effective as Lauren in his prime.

Hoyte apparently deserved a mention for playing solidly, and Hleb was mentioned by Wenger I think, saying that it should give him more confidence to shoot for the rest of the season.

Gallas truly sounds like a class act now, and it is not only reputation..he has made a significant impact on the team. Ashley cole on the other hand...not heard much about him.....hahaah! To score one, help start the run and pass to Henry, then for Hleb to score...that is classy!

I reserve a moment for Rosicky, who I feel has come into the team REALLY quickly. He works hard, and almost is a combination of Reyes and Ljungberg, but of course not in the extreme fast runner or poacher sense...if you know what I mean. At the end of the day...he works damn hard, gets into good positions...and likes a few shots too!

I'm looking forward to Baptista getting fit, and muscling his way through defenses like he did at Sheffield and almost scoring!

Charlton's up next!

[Dragonfly]

I fucking love Rosicky. He's a top class midfielder, and one of my fave CMs in the world!

[Ronaldo_is_fat]

I think Wenger will rest some of his players in the next league game and hopefully Baptista will start.

Again Henry scored with his head.

[Viperized]

Nturtle, Eboue put in some good tackles and looked pretty good defensively from the highlights I've seen.

Van Persie's miss is shocking. It's unbelieavable how he missed that. Other than that miss, he looked quite productive.

[Ronaldo_is_fat]

Cause he shoot with his right foot?

[Nturtle]

Nturtle, Eboue put in some good tackles and looked pretty good defensively from the highlights I've seen.

Van Persie's miss is shocking. It's unbelieavable how he missed that. Other than that miss, he looked quite productive.

Thanks for that Viperized...didn't see the whole game...but glad that he's getting there. A bit more confidence and composure up and down the pitch...and he's then really world class (Eboue). A bit of shooting training might help too!!!!

VP is working hard...and even with no goals...he's learning and playing more this season. Adebayour has given him some good competition...and he's feeling it. He'll get there I'm sure!

LOL....2nd header in 2 games for Henry...any bets on a 3rd at Charlton?

[Dundon's]

Lads I know you probably cover this but I'm still in a state of shock over Gallas wearing Bergkamps number 10 shirt so much that I can't take the bloke serious.

Surely Rosicky should of gotten it, he wore it for his 2 previous clubs and his country FFS, can't imagine Gallas 10 selling many shirts either now can you?



P.S. Am I alone in thinking this? :ninja:

[Viperized]

Gallas wanted the number 10 shirt for reasons he didn't want to reveal.. :\

It doesn't bother me anymore. I would've liked Rosicky to taken it instead but then again, its only a shirt number.

[jthk2004]

Lads I know you probably cover this but I'm still in a state of shock over Gallas wearing Bergkamps number 10 shirt so much that I can't take the bloke serious.

Surely Rosicky should of gotten it, he wore it for his 2 previous clubs and his country FFS, can't imagine Gallas 10 selling many shirts either now can you?

P.S. Am I alone in thinking this? :ninja:
well, gallas 10 shirts may not be the bestseller but it should have no probs beating boulahrouz 9...

[Dundon's]

It doesn't bother me anymore. I would've liked Rosicky to taken it instead but then again, its only a shirt number.

What? Are you crazy Son?

Maradona, Baggio, Pele, Zidane, Totti, Ronaldinho, Romario and Bergamp all wore that number so I kinda think of it as the God number in the squad, a defender having it is silly and stupid, why didn't he just keep the fudging number 3 .:angry:

Hleb: 7
Rosicky: 10
Gallas:13 (like he wanted)

Everyones happy no?

[Tigermen]

What? Are you crazy Son?

Maradona, Baggio, Pele, Zidane, Totti, Ronaldinho, Romario and Bergamp all wore that number so I kinda think of it as the God number in the squad, a defender having it is silly and stupid, why didn't he just keep the fudging number 3 .:angry:

Hleb: 7
Rosicky: 10
Gallas:13 (like he wanted)

Everyones happy no?

I think Gallas didn't want the no3 shirt as he didn't want any comparisons to Ashley Cole, especially considering how acrimonious the transfer was. I remember reading an article on an Arsenal fansite at the time of the transfer talking about this, and they brought up the example of Freddie (a midfielder) being given the no8 shirt after Wrighty left. If the no8 shirt was given to another striker, then the inevitable comparisons could be seen as extra pressure, likewise if the number 10 was given to Rosicky, he'd have been lumped with the title of the "new" Bergkamp and people might've had unrealistic expectations. Gallas, being a defender in the no10 shirt, doesn't have to worry about this.

I agree with Vizperised though, they're just shirt numbers. I don't care if Gallas wears 10 or 100 as long as he keeps playing as well as he has been.

[Viperized]

What? Are you crazy Son?

Maradona, Baggio, Pele, Zidane, Totti, Ronaldinho, Romario and Bergamp all wore that number so I kinda think of it as the God number in the squad, a defender having it is silly and stupid, why didn't he just keep the fudging number 3 .:angry:

Hleb: 7
Rosicky: 10
Gallas:13 (like he wanted)

Everyones happy no?
Since we're talking about club football, Zidane wore no.5

Thats a defenders number. Did that make him any less special? Not at all.

[Dragonfly]

I'm sure Romario wore 11.

[Karaoke29]

What? Are you crazy Son?

Maradona, Baggio, Pele, Zidane, Totti, Ronaldinho, Romario and Bergamp all wore that number so I kinda think of it as the God number in the squad, a defender having it is silly and stupid, why didn't he just keep the fudging number 3 .:angry:

Hleb: 7
Rosicky: 10
Gallas:13 (like he wanted)

Everyones happy no?

This is the first time in my entire life to see a defender wears no.10. It is not classic at all beside being absurd. I completely agree with Dundon's. No.10 suits the team playmaker, an attacker but not a defender at all.

If Gallas wants to make something unusual so he could take for example 99 like Vitor Baia, any number for gode sake but not no.10........

[Rossy Boy]

i know at first on the arsenal website his was put down for number 3 shirt in the player profiles then wen i next checked it said gallas 10 is was like wtf

[Scarface]

Hleb: 7
Rosicky: 10
Gallas:13 (like he wanted)

Everyones happy no?

That's what I was expecting to happen once Gallas joined. I'm disappointed Rosicky didn't take #10. I'd been looking forward to getting Rosicky 10 on the Arsenal home shirt, as that really suits him, but never mind, 7 will do.

[Rossy Boy]

:lol:, i agree with them numbers aswell

[Dundon's]

Zidane was 10 for France and Romario also wore 10 for Barca and Brazil but my point was (like mentioned) the playmaker should wear 10.

P.S. Platini anyone?

[Viperized]

Zidane was 10 for France and Romario also wore 10 for Barca and Brazil but my point was (like mentioned) the playmaker should wear 10.

P.S. Platini anyone?
Maybe its because Gallas wanted to copy Zidane.

Zidane, a playmaker, used a defenders number for his club (no. 5)
Gallas, a defender, used a playmaker number for his club (no. 10).

:ninja:

[Joel]

Maybe its because Gallas wanted to copy Zidane.

Zidane, a playmaker, used a defenders number for his club (no. 5)
Gallas, a defender, used a playmaker number for his club (no. 10).

:ninja:

Does Gallas use 5 for International level?

[Scarface]

Does Gallas use 5 for International level?

Oui

http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/ng/sp/empics/3756820

[Viperized]

My theory appears to be correct. :ninja:

[Stella Artois]

Question is, does it actually matter?

You should all have Toure 23 on your backs anyway.

[Rossy Boy]

why should we?

[-Rafa-]

Because Toure is your best defender

[Viperized]

Question is, does it actually matter?

You should all have Toure 23 on your backs anyway.
Toure is number 5. But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter as its only a shirt number.

By the way Gallas may be fit to play against Charlton. :)

[Stella Artois]

Sorry was thinking of Campbell's old number for some reason. ;/

Hopefully Gallas is fit, would be a huge boost.

[Dundon's]

He's having a late fitness test in the morning.

[Tigermen]

Just you boys wait til you see Van Persie's second tonight. What a belter! Hleb was outstanding today too. All in all another very promising performance from the lads.

[Rambo]

You guys better not miss MOTD, RVP scored a great volley

[Tigermen]

You guys better not miss MOTD, RVP scored a great volley

Er....I believe the word is......JINX! How did we manage to post pretty much the same thing at the same time. Crazy shit.

[Scarface]

Just you boys wait til you see Van Persie's second tonight. What a belter! Hleb was outstanding today too. All in all another very promising performance from the lads.

Superb goal. Van Persie was good today, after a disappointing performance against Porto.

This was an important win. Last season, this was the kind of game we were dropping points in, so it's pleasing that we came from behind to claim the 3 points.

Hasselbaink was offside for the Charlton goal, so it shouldn't have counted, but to be fair, van Persie was lucky not to have been sent off, before he scored the winner.

Eboue has drastically improved his crossing. He's providing even more of a useful outlet thesedays. Let's hope it continues.

[Rambo]

Er....I believe the word is......JINX! How did we manage to post pretty much the same thing at the same time. Crazy shit.
Great minds think a like :tongue:

[theowalcott#32]

Superb goal. Van Persie was good today, after a disappointing performance against Porto.

This was an important win. Last season, this was the kind of game we were dropping points in, so it's pleasing that we came from behind to claim the 3 points.

Hasselbaink was offside for the Charlton goal, so it shouldn't have counted, but to be fair, van Persie was lucky not to have been sent off, before he scored the winner.

Eboue has drastically improved his crossing. He's providing even more of a useful outlet thesedays. Let's hope it continues.

Or before the first. :tongue:

[Top Gun]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfCwcKVKl_A

Link to the goal, not bad.

[Singh]

Fucking hell what a goal, V.P. is amazing...

[Viperized]

Poor performance, especially in the second half. It looked like Charlton dominated and had most of the possesion. Henry did have quite a few chances and I thought he should've scored at least once, but Carson did have a very good game.

A nice first goal and a cracking second goal by Van Persie though. I was hoping he would get a goal sooner or later, and now it looks like his confidence is restored. Van Persie is capable of scoring more goals on a regular basis and I always thought he was one of the best finishers at the club.

Hleb was truely outstanding. He was running at defenders, controlling the ball in the tightest of situations, creating things..... everything. He was just sensational and was easily the best player in an Arsenal shirt today. My man of the match.

Hoyte was the worst player on the pitch and looked out of depth in the Premiership again, which isn't much of a surprise. Ljungberg was also absolutely useless when he had the ball and the only thing he did was pass to the ball backwards. He can't run at players any more, he can't make those runs anymore, he can't beat his marker any more. The only thing left in him is his stamina. He isn't going to improve and all those injuries he had last season didn't help at all. Personally I would try and sell him in January and buy Ribery who is the far better player. He WILL cause problems to opposition defences. He is strong, quick and will always run at defenders. Ljungberg is clearly past it and has offered NOTHING at all this season. Rosicky done more than him in his 10 mins than Ljungberg did the whole 90 mins he played in!

[Tigermen]

Poor performance, especially in the second half. It looked like Charlton dominated and had most of the possesion. Henry did have quite a few chances and I thought he should've scored at least once, but Carson did have a very good game.

A nice first goal and a cracking second goal by Van Persie though. I was hoping he would get a goal sooner or later, and now it looks like his confidence is restored. Van Persie is capable of scoring more goals on a regular basis and I always thought he was one of the best finishers at the club.

Hleb was truely outstanding. He was running at defenders, controlling the ball in the tightest of situations, creating things..... everything. He was just sensational and was easily the best player in an Arsenal shirt today. My man of the match.

Hoyte was the worst player on the pitch and looked out of depth in the Premiership again, which isn't much of a surprise. Ljungberg was also absolutely useless when he had the ball and the only thing he did was pass to the ball backwards. He can't run at players any more, he can't make those runs anymore, he can't beat his marker any more. The only thing left in him is his stamina. He isn't going to improve and all those injuries he had last season didn't help at all. Personally I would try and sell him in January and buy Ribery who is the far better player. He WILL cause problems to opposition defences. He is strong, quick and will always run at defenders. Ljungberg is clearly past it and has offered NOTHING at all this season. Rosicky done more than him in his 10 mins than Ljungberg did the whole 90 mins he played in!

Did you watch the game mate? Cos your assessment is very different to mine.

[Yossi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfCwcKVKl_A

Link to the goal, not bad.
It was good, but I was expecting more from how everyone is raving about it. It just seemed like he was trying to not get hurt and just direct anywhere towards goal.

[Viperized]

I thought it was much better than 'it was good'.

It was a super volley.

[Yi-Long]

MOTD didnt show the foul Van Persie made which could have had him sent off before he made his first goal... so what kinda foul was it?

Nice goals by VP. In the end it could have gone either way, but luckily this time Arsenal were the one who got the 3 points.

[Rossy Boy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfCwcKVKl_A

Link to the goal, not bad.

that goal is class

[The Stig]

Just seen RVP goal on MOTD and I take my hat off to the lad.

[theowalcott#32]

MOTD didnt show the foul Van Persie made which could have had him sent off before he made his first goal... so what kinda foul was it?

Nice goals by VP. In the end it could have gone either way, but luckily this time Arsenal were the one who got the 3 points.

Kicked out at Hasselbaink off the ball. :no:

[Yi-Long]

Kicked out at Hasselbaink off the ball. :no:

Aw oki, thanks. Too bad MOTD didnt show it. You'd think such a thing would deserve to be shown...

[theowalcott#32]

Aw oki, thanks. Too bad MOTD didnt show it. You'd think such a thing would deserve to be shown...

Didn't watch MOTD, did it show fair coverage i.e. end to end stuff?

[Yi-Long]

Didn't watch MOTD, did it show fair coverage i.e. end to end stuff?

Don't know if it was a fair portrayal of the game, as I wasnt there, but they showed the handball by Gallas and the big miss by Hasselbaink.
It seemed like it could have just as well ended in a draw, with both sides missing a couple of big chances...

[Stella Artois]

We absolutely dominated. Charlton were fucking shit and couldn't string a few passes together before giving the ball away. They had a few chances, but it would have been daylight robbery had we not taken the three points as far as I'm concerned.

[Rossy Boy]

has anyone put the highlights up on youtube? i missed MOD

[Viperized]

We absolutely dominated. Charlton were fucking shit and couldn't string a few passes together before giving the ball away. They had a few chances, but it would have been daylight robbery had we not taken the three points as far as I'm concerned.
I thought we were rather poor especially in the second half.

Henry was wasteful infront of goal. He had so many glorious opportunities.

[Canadian, Eh?]

I have to agree with the above, it wasn't our most dominate performance. We managed more against say Villa and City.

That being said these are the types of games that we wouldn't win last season. And the fact that we can have say an off day and still walk away with three points means we are on the right course.

Here's hoping Internationals bring no injuries! *crosses fingers*

[Stella Artois]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qe_-JhL97P0&mode=related&search=

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Scarface]

has anyone put the highlights up on youtube? i missed MOD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYbcPxCYZ8Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfCwcKVKl_A&mode=related&search=

[The Stig]

I can't wait till we get Carson back off Charlton then Benitez will hopefully drop Reina.

[Karaoke29]

It seems that Eboue makes an assist every match. Eboue is Wenger new brilliant discovery.

I can't wait till we get Carson back off Charlton then Benitez hopefully drops Reina.

Reina is fine. Regarding Bolton match, he made no mistakes I think.

[Rossy Boy]

yeh eboue is a great player, lauren will have competition when he gets back from injury

[wrigh2uk]

I can't wait till we get Carson back off Charlton then Benitez will hopefully drop Reina.

Reina isn't even better than Dudek technically, Reina has pace though. Hes very quick off his line.

[Karaoke29]

yeh eboue is a great player, lauren will have competition when he gets back from injury

I think that Eboue has already surpassed Lauren. Eboue has all the abilities to shine more in Emirates stadium.......

[Canadian, Eh?]

Lauren was always the gritty player, Eboue is more of a big baby. However I think it will be an interesting little battle for place. Both are good in my books.

[Billy Minof]

Lauren was always the gritty player, Eboue is more of a big baby. However I think it will be an interesting little battle for place. Both are good in my books.

Lauren is rock hard, Eboue is better going forward and defending IMO but not as commited...

[Canadian, Eh?]

Lauren is rock hard, Eboue is better going forward and defending IMO but not as commited...

I agree with you but Lauren had the goal production (not alot but some) and the killer crossing. Not to mention that classic cracking tackle on Ronaldo! :)

Eboue is better going forward and since it seems that he has add the crossing the sky is the limit for that young man. But how could you not give it your all next to Kolo Toure.

[Dundon's]

For me Lauren is fucked and he knows it, didn't wenger already try to sell him in the summer to a spanish club?

Don't get me wrong it'd be nice to keep both as I do rate Lauren but I can't see him sitting on the bench for long when he comes back, Eboue is like A.Cole on the right but with a killer cross on him.

[JoeyM]

didn't wenger already try to sell him in the summer to a spanish club?

Nothing I've heard about.

Anyway, I can't really see Lauren winning his spot back until Eboue goes throught another bad patch/needs a rest. I love Ralph, but the only thing I'd say Lauren is better at than Eboue is his positioning, Eboue often gets beat by balls over the top or fails to track his marker.

I could see Lauren playing a bit of a utility man this season, RB, LB, and maybe some midfield if needed.

[Dundon's]

Maybe but our midfield is packed out, Hleb, Fab, Fred, Beast, Gilberto, Diaby, Flamini, Song and Rosicky are way ahead of him.

[-Rafa-]

Song :huh:

[Canadian, Eh?]

For me Lauren is fucked and he knows it, didn't wenger already try to sell him in the summer to a spanish club?

Sevilla was where he was rumoured.

There is also something going around we get a bid from Milan for him.

But I don't get why we would let him go as it was. He can play right back and in the midfield.

And Song is not, I repeat not ahead of Lauren.

[Karaoke29]

Tactically, Eboue just needs to share more in the center defence beside his wide role as right wing back. That's all what he needs to surpass Lauren in terms of defence. No doubt that he surpassed Lauern in the attacking role with his killing crosses.

[Stella Artois]

Lauren is actually quite poor defensively as it is anyway. I've heard a lot of talk about how any ball to the back post and Eboue is often caught wandering, yet that's also Lauren's biggest fault.

I'd play Eboue as he gives us a better attacking option.

[Karaoke29]

Lauren is actually quite poor defensively as it is anyway. I've heard a lot of talk about how any ball to the back post and Eboue is often caught wandering, yet that's also Lauren's biggest fault.

I'd play Eboue as he gives us a better attacking option.

Plus he is still young and he still has the time to develop and gain more experience......

[Viperized]

Some of you are underating Eboue's defensive abilities.

He has kept the likes of Robinho, Nedved, Mutu in his back pocket. His pace is a valuble asset against wingers such as Ronaldo.

Lauren usually struggles against 1 on 1s against pacey wingers. See Ronaldo in F.A. Cup Final 2005. See Babel in Amsterdam tournament.

My only bite with Eboue is that he gets forwards too much and should be more disciplined. Still, he managed 3 assists in 3 games and thats fantastic.

Keep in mind we also have a promising right-back in Gilbert, who has impressed when Eboue was out to the African Nations. Although I love Lauren and his attitude, I feel Eboue is a better right back than him and since he is now 30 I think it would be wise for him to move on. Gilbert can then our second right-back next season.

[ATH10]

when was the last time lauren actually played?

[Viperized]

Sometime last season, but he got injured in January I think?

[Stella Artois]

Clichy and Senderos return tonight for the game against West Ham's reserves! Finally! Welcome back lads!

[Scarface]

And Song is not, I repeat not ahead of Lauren.

I believe Arsene Wenger would beg to differ on that, unfortunately. I'd like to see Lauren used as backup to our midfield (and right back, while Kerrea Gilbert is out on loan) but I can't imagine Wenger playing Lauren ahead of Alexandre Song, if we needed to change things in midfield.

[Jonny2J]

Some of you are underating Eboue's defensive abilities.

He has kept the likes of Robinho, Nedved, Mutu in his back pocket. His pace is a valuble asset against wingers such as Ronaldo.

Lauren usually struggles against 1 on 1s against pacey wingers. See Ronaldo in F.A. Cup Final 2005. See Babel in Amsterdam tournament.

My only bite with Eboue is that he gets forwards too much and should be more disciplined. Still, he managed 3 assists in 3 games and thats fantastic.

Keep in mind we also have a promising right-back in Gilbert, who has impressed when Eboue was out to the African Nations. Although I love Lauren and his attitude, I feel Eboue is a better right back than him and since he is now 30 I think it would be wise for him to move on. Gilbert can then our second right-back next season.Can we have Lauren please?

[Nturtle]

Clichy and Senderos return tonight for the game against West Ham's reserves! Finally! Welcome back lads!

Hear hear! Clichy lasted 45 mins (as planned) and Senderos the whole game. Good to see competition for the first team...and confident bench players. I just hope Aliadiere gets a chance too, perhaps for carling cup/league cup games, otherwise it might be another potential blip in Arsene's academy.

N

[Canadian, Eh?]

I believe Arsene Wenger would beg to differ on that, unfortunately. I'd like to see Lauren used as backup to our midfield (and right back, while Kerrea Gilbert is out on loan) but I can't imagine Wenger playing Lauren ahead of Alexandre Song, if we needed to change things in midfield.

Yeah poor Gilbert, it was too bad we lost him to injury last year as he was quite the talent.

Also it seems Lupoli and Bendtner are scoring plenty of goals on loan.

And good to see Clichy back on the pitch!

[Nturtle]

Yeah poor Gilbert, it was too bad we lost him to injury last year as he was quite the talent.

Also it seems Lupoli and Bendtner are scoring plenty of goals on loan.

And good to see Clichy back on the pitch!

Definitely good to see Gilbert, Lupoli, Bendtner and Larsson on the pitch for the Championship teams they play in...I've got a funny feeling Larsson might leave...since we now have too many midfielders of good quality. Gilbert I thought was class, and similarily...Armand Traore of the left also looks good...so good talents to have...and both ENGLISH I think...or was Traore French? As long as he doesnt play like Djimi Traore...it'll be fine! Heh heh...

It's a shame Vito Mannone our young keeper at Barnsley is having a torrid time...maybe it is good learning!! Dropping catches and letting the opposition score in injury time isn't he best thing to do...18 only however...half the age of Buffon...he's got time on his hands...

Muamba is the other who I expected to feature more...but not so much at the moment...

[Stella Artois]

Muamba is at Cardiff mate, and you might not know, but they're flying high as their top of the Championship.

Of all those online, I'd imagine Bendtner and Gilbert to definitely make it, Larsson is 21 so it's make or break time and I've honestly no idea how Lupoli will get on. He's 19 now so you'd imagine he'll either get games or be moved on.

Couldn't possibly comment on Vito Mannone. I understand he's made mistakes, but he's only 18 so to make a judgement on a keeper as young as he is would be foolish.

[TheBishop]

Muamba's at Birmingham.

From what i've heard, Lupoli is doing very well at Derby. Has been on the scoresheet regularly.

[Stella Artois]

Good point, I confused him and Gilbert! Gilbert is at Cardiff, my apologies. ;o

Lupoli has score 4 so far, two against Col U and 2 the other day. He has also made a few assists, but I fear he's too lighweight, we'll see.

[Joel]

You all are winning now and now with the return of Senderos and Clichy, you all will be very strong. I can't see much points being dropped by Arsenal right now.

Still early days, but I would not be surprised if you all regain the title this year.

[Stella Artois]

Trying to lift the pressure off Chelsea, eh? ;)

Technically you lot should win it at a canter, but I've a good feeling about this year. If we can continue to grind out the wins away from home at the likes of Charlton, we should do well.

[Scarface]

...I've got a funny feeling Larsson might leave...since we now have too many midfielders of good quality. Gilbert I thought was class, and similarily...Armand Traore of the left also looks good...so good talents to have...and both ENGLISH I think...or was Traore French? As long as he doesnt play like Djimi Traore...it'll be fine! Heh heh...

I'm sure Larsson will leave. I don't think he's good enough for Arsenal. A decent, reliable squad player, but we already have enough of those, and he's not of the same calibre as the likes of Mathieu Flamini. He may well take the same route as Steve Sidwell (not in the same league as him, mind) and end up signing permanently for a Championship club.

Traore is French. Two very good young full backs there. In a year or so, add them the squad alongside Eboue and Clichy, and things will be looking excellent in that department. Still a bit concerned about the left back issue at the moment, though, but it's good to hear that Clichy is progressing well.

It's a shame Vito Mannone our young keeper at Barnsley is having a torrid time...maybe it is good learning!! Dropping catches and letting the opposition score in injury time isn't he best thing to do...18 only however...half the age of Buffon...he's got time on his hands...

Buffon's only 28, mate, but I understand your point, there's plenty of time for Mannone to improve.

[Viperized]

Aliadiere sure looks impressive for the reserves. He reminds me of Henry with his pace and strength. Hopefully he'll impress in the Carling Cup as he could be an excellent super sub.

Good point, I confused him and Gilbert! Gilbert is at Cardiff, my apologies. ;o

Lupoli has score 4 so far, two against Col U and 2 the other day. He has also made a few assists, but I fear he's too lighweight, we'll see.
The Lupoli Leightweight Theory is complete bullshit in my opinion.

Although he is small, he is actually rather strong and his pace will help him get away from defenders. I've seen him match strength against Neill of Blackburn, who is hardly weak. The Championship is also a more physical league than the Premiership, so if he does well in the Championship he should have little problems with the Premiership.

I would love it for Lupoli to make it but Bendtner looks more likely out of the two.

[mufcsean]

You that Gilbert kid, where is he on-loan and how old is he

[martin_cranie]

Try reading the page. You may just find an answer.

[Viperized]

He's a manc, so clearly he'll need help.

He is on loan to Cardiff City and is 18 years old.

[Nturtle]

LOL...thanks for the correction Reyes on Traore and Mannone vs Buffon - and I understand Stella's point...it's a bit too early to tell how good he is.

I found this a bit interesting from Portugoal.com (I think)


Young Portuguese starlet making his mark at Arsenal
Sixteen-year-old Rui Fonte living a dream in London

Rui Fonte is a name to remember. At just 16 years of age Fonte has signed a three-year contract at Arsenal and Arsene Wenger has been so impressed with the striker he has already called up the former Sporting youth to train with the senior squad.

While still in his mid-teens, Rui Fonte took the courageous decision to leave his home, family and friends behind him to seek fame and fortune in a foreign country.

“This is what I want. Book the tickets because I’m ready!" Fonte told his parents upon being offered the chance to play for one of Europe’s biggest clubs.

Sensational start

Stepping onto the pitch for the Gunners’ under-18 team, the forward did not ask for a second opportunity to impress. Two goals and four assists in his first two matches convinced Wenger to select Fonte for the reserves against Southampton on Tuesday.

Fifteen minutes on the pitch, alongside names such as Senderos and Almunia, left the youngster in dreamland. But things got even better the next day, as Fonte explains.

“They called me up to train with the seniors. It was a unique experience, words cannot describe it. I was training with the stars. Wenger told me to stay calm and to do my best.”

His work pleased the legendary French manager, and Fonte was told to train again with the first-team players the following day.

An incredible week in the life of the starlet was only prevented from being perfect by the absence of his boyhood hero, Henry.

Idol Henry

“That was the only thing lacking. He has been my idol since I was a nipper and just being able to train with him would leave me speechless. To play alongside him would be perfect!”

Next Tuesday the reserves play again, possibly featuring the Portuguese youngster with a glittering future before him.

Now you know why Rui Fonte is a name to remember.

[article abridged and translated from this Friday’s A Bola; original author, Pedro Mendonça]

[Nturtle]

Well...a bit more from Sky Sports to back this story up:

Rui Fonte's brother says the Portuguese starlet has the talent to succeed in England after making a promising start to his Arsenal career.

The 16-year-old joined The Gunners on a three-year deal at the start of August after impressing on trial from Sporting to become the latest in a long line of young talents recruited from the continent by Arsene Wenger.

Fonte has already found the scoresheet for Steve Bould's academy side and, like fellow young summer recruits Fran Merida, Vincent van den Berg and Joe O'Ceaurill, has also made an impact on the reserve side at Emirates Stadium.

The striker made his debut for the second string in the 2-1 win over West Ham on Tuesday, and following his cameo role has been invited to train with Wenger's first team squad.

Jose Fonte, currently playing for Estrela Amadora on loan from Portuguese giants Benfica, now says his younger brother has the talent and work ethic to make a name for himself in The Premiership.

"He is a great talent," Jose Fonte told Correio da Manha.

"But he knows that he has to work to arrive at the top.

"With my father we try to advise him in the best possible way and are very satisfied for what he can achieve in England."

Fonte is the first Portuguese talent to be taken under Wenger's wing since his early acquisition of Luis Boa Morte, and his brother says the chance to train with players such as Thierry Henry gave his younger sibling hope of making a future impression on his new boss.

"The coach still did not have a talk with Rui, but during the training it is always to stimulate him and to boost his morale," Jose Fonte added.

The 16-year-old will be hoping he gets the chance to make his first team bow in the Carling Cup against West Brom on October 24, as Wenger is notoriously committed to blooding his young charges in England's secondary cup competition.

[Jonny2J]

How's Vela progressing lads?

[Viperized]

Vela is on loan to Celta Vigo I think, but I don't know how well he is doing.

[Scarface]

Well...a bit more from Sky Sports to back this story up:

Rui Fonte's brother says the Portuguese starlet has the talent to succeed in England after making a promising start to his Arsenal career.

The 16-year-old joined The Gunners on a three-year deal at the start of August after impressing on trial from Sporting to become the latest in a long line of young talents recruited from the continent by Arsene Wenger.

Fonte has already found the scoresheet for Steve Bould's academy side and, like fellow young summer recruits Fran Merida, Vincent van den Berg and Joe O'Ceaurill, has also made an impact on the reserve side at Emirates Stadium.

The striker made his debut for the second string in the 2-1 win over West Ham on Tuesday, and following his cameo role has been invited to train with Wenger's first team squad.

Jose Fonte, currently playing for Estrela Amadora on loan from Portuguese giants Benfica, now says his younger brother has the talent and work ethic to make a name for himself in The Premiership.

"He is a great talent," Jose Fonte told Correio da Manha.

"But he knows that he has to work to arrive at the top.

"With my father we try to advise him in the best possible way and are very satisfied for what he can achieve in England."

Fonte is the first Portuguese talent to be taken under Wenger's wing since his early acquisition of Luis Boa Morte, and his brother says the chance to train with players such as Thierry Henry gave his younger sibling hope of making a future impression on his new boss.

"The coach still did not have a talk with Rui, but during the training it is always to stimulate him and to boost his morale," Jose Fonte added.

The 16-year-old will be hoping he gets the chance to make his first team bow in the Carling Cup against West Brom on October 24, as Wenger is notoriously committed to blooding his young charges in England's secondary cup competition.

He looks a good prospect on Football Manager, so he must be good in real life :tongue:

I haven't had a chance to see him in action yet, unfortunately.

Carlos Vela joined Salamanca in the end, as the loan move to Celta had a hitch. He scored on his debut, that's all I know. I don't think he's scored since.

http://info.wohoo.co.uk/2006/09/carlos-vela-scores-on-salamanca-debut/

[Viperized]

http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=420550&CPID=8&clid=3&lid=2&title=Gunners+get+first+option +on+Ribery

Please be true...

[ATH10]

i wouldn't get your hopes up

[Nturtle]

Ribery is interesting...I've always thought Reyes did his job...but now with Jose gone...mmmmm...

[Scarface]

i wouldn't get your hopes up

We have reason to get our hopes up. He's hot property, but we've got a lot going in our favour, and many things that could tempt him. I feel the odds of him signing for Arsenal at the end of the season are pretty good.

[ATH10]

We have reason to get our hopes up. He's hot property, but we've got a lot going in our favour, and many things that could tempt him. I feel the odds of him signing for Arsenal at the end of the season are pretty good.

and where do you suggest the 17.5 million comes from if your already in debt from the stadium.

[greenegg]

arsenal=arse hole l;lolololol;,.zz do ya geddit skilz in all dat stuf

[Scarface]

and where does the 17.5 million come from if your already in debt from the stadium.

The cost of the stadium won't put a further limit on the transfer funds, which have been reserved for Arsene Wenger.

[ATH10]

The cost of the stadium won't put a further limit on the transfer funds, which have been reserved for Arsene Wenger.

but do the transfer funds cover 17.5 million and would wenger want to spend all the funds on 1 player, would he spend 17.5 million on 1 player anyway. Other big clubs will surely be interested e.g real madrid who have more financial muscle, would he choose arsenal over real madrid for example.

[Original?]

but do the transfer funds cover 17.5 million and would wenger want to spend all the funds on 1 player, would he spend 17.5 million on 1 player anyway. Other big clubs will surely be interested e.g real madrid who have more financial muscle, would he choose arsenal over real madrid for example.

Quite possibly, the offer from Arsenal is unlikely to be financially poor, and they have a much more promising team for a younger player to join, then there's the french factor. He's more likely to bed in well with the team at Arsenal with plyers he's played with before and a french manager, if he's clever he'd choose Arsenal for sheer playing time alone. Madrid for example have players in that position already; Reyes, Cassano, Robinho etc.

[Viperized]

and where do you suggest the 17.5 million comes from if your already in debt from the stadium.
Over the past 10 years, Wenger has spent on average £5m a year. You may not believe this, but Arsenal's transfer kitty is huge. If we wanted to, we could spend £25 million on one player.

Arsenal made a £10m bid for Ribery this summer too, and Ribery has dropped many hints about playing for Arsenal. For example, he said 'I would love to play for the Premiership club under a French manager'. Which club in the Premiership has a French manager? ;)

He is also very good friends with Henry, and that'll help considerably.

[ATH10]

Quite possibly, the offer from Arsenal is unlikely to be financially poor, and they have a much more promising team for a younger player to join, then there's the french factor. He's more likely to bed in well with the team at Arsenal with plyers he's played with before and a french manager, if he's clever he'd choose Arsenal for sheer playing time alone. Madrid for example have players in that position already; Reyes, Cassano, Robinho etc.

if arsenal did make an offer for ribery next summer i'm sure it would be the amount to get ribery, not a repeat of the poor 10 million pound offer which they made in the summer just gone. there are a lot of factors that would favour a move to arsenal i agree. i just used real madrid as an example of another big team that could make a move.

[ATH10]

Over the past 10 years, Wenger has spent on average £5m a year. You may not believe this, but Arsenal's transfer kitty is huge. If we wanted to, we could spend £25 million on one player.

Arsenal made a £10m bid for Ribery this summer too, and Ribery has dropped many hints about playing for Arsenal. For example, he said 'I would love to play for the Premiership club under a French manager'. Which club in the Premiership has a French manager? ;)

He is also very good friends with Henry, and that'll help considerably.

If arsenal have a huge transfer kitty which i'm not totally convinced they do why don't they use it. I know nobody has mentioned it but i've never actually said i don't think he'll go to arsenal i'm just trying to bring both sides of the argument to the table.

[martin_cranie]

If arsenal have a huge transfer kitty which i'm not totally convinced they do why don't they use it.

Why spend big when you don't need to? £30m+ for Sheva or £500,000 for Toure; you decide which makes more sense.

[Nturtle]

I think we can speculate all we like...but Arsene is pretty clued up in terms of spending most of the time. You can also point to his failures...Jeffers etc...but look at his successes...Anelka...0.5M sold for 20+M (?)...on average he gets the better end of deals.

In all honesty...Ribery is probably too hyped now...and hyped players we have bought have not succeeded too much in the long term (ok...maybe Reyes is a bad example...but brings back memories...he was also 17M or so)...Ribery may be different...but we do have Walcott to develop too you know...fast, direct...pacey...remember him?

Nobody would like to REFUSE Ribery...but...it's kinda strange to do a summer transfer this early on...or hint at first options etc..

[Ronaldo_is_fat]

I have good hopes that Ribery will offer something different to Reyes.

Reyes might not be an angel because of his failure to adapt and his weak mentality . Ribery will definitely find it easier to adapt because he has showed great passion in games and not to mention the amount of French players we got.

[Viperized]

If arsenal have a huge transfer kitty which i'm not totally convinced they do why don't they use it. I know nobody has mentioned it but i've never actually said i don't think he'll go to arsenal i'm just trying to bring both sides of the argument to the table.
Maybe its because we don't want to spend £25m on one player?

[ATH10]

Why spend big when you don't need to? £30m+ for Sheva or £500,000 for Toure; you decide which makes more sense.

there are only so many deals like the toure deal sometimes you do have to spend big

Maybe its because we don't want to spend £25m on one player?

but this is exactly it you are going to have to spend big to get ribery

[Rossy Boy]

but this is exactly it you are going to have to spend big to get ribery

you have a point there

[Scarface]

but this is exactly it you are going to have to spend big to get ribery

Rather than spend for the sake of it for a big name or world class player, Arsene Wenger would only spend 15m+ on a player if he thought they'd take Arsenal to "the next level". He thought Reyes would do that, which unfortunately turned out not to be the case. The way he talks about Ribery, I think it's safe to assume he expects great things from him in the future, and Thierry's recommendation and friendship with the guy would also mean something to him, add that to the fact he's French, and we are lacking an out and out winger, Wenger would probably be more willing to stump up the cash.

[Rossy Boy]

wenger is good with his transfers, he actually thinks about it and sees if the player will fit in with arsenals play unlike chelsea going out splashing the cash on loads of players they dont need

[Viperized]

Just found out that Lupoli scored on his International debut for the U-21s. He has scored 5 goals for Derby as well as having a few assists.

[martin_cranie]

there are only so many deals like the toure deal sometimes you do have to spend big

If memory serves...

Rosicky & Hleb both picked up for under £10m each. Henry £10m-11m. Gilberto & van Persie £4m-5m. Lehmann £1m-2m. Fabregas, Senderos, Eboue and Clichy all cheap too.

[ATH10]

Rather than spend for the sake of it for a big name or world class player, Arsene Wenger would only spend 15m+ on a player if he thought they'd take Arsenal to "the next level". He thought Reyes would do that, which unfortunately turned out not to be the case. The way he talks about Ribery, I think it's safe to assume he expects great things from him in the future, and Thierry's recommendation and friendship with the guy would also mean something to him, add that to the fact he's French, and we are lacking an out and out winger, Wenger would probably be more willing to stump up the cash.

but do you have the cash

If memory serves...

Rosicky & Hleb both picked up for under £10m each. Henry £10m-11m. Gilberto & van Persie £4m-5m. Lehmann £1m-2m. Fabregas, Senderos, Eboue and Clichy all cheap too.

im pretty sure henry didn't cost that much

[martin_cranie]

im pretty sure henry didn't cost that much

Well you'd be wrong.

[ATH10]

Well you'd be wrong.

prove it

[hedwiges]

Arsenal`s only players worthy of helping them challenge for the title are Cesc Fabregas,Thierry Henry,Robin Van Persie,Jens Lehmann and William Gallas and even with these 5 players they are still way off the big 3 english teams

[Scarface]

Arsenal`s only players worthy of helping them challenge for the title are Cesc Fabregas,Thierry Henry,Robin Van Persie,Jens Lehmann and William Gallas and even with these 5 players they are still way off the big 3 english teams

:laugh: What utter bullshit. "Big 3 English teams"? Please do not tell me you are trying to say Chelsea are a bigger club than Arsenal?

Eboue, Toure, Gilberto, Rosicky? On paper we have the second best team in the country, and while "on paper" doesn't mean much, right now, we're proving what a dangerous team we are on the pitch, with some very promising performances.

prove it

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/euro_2004/france/players_to_watch/3670423.stm

[hedwiges]

Im going nowhere

[Rossy Boy]

you might be if someone bans you

who do you think you are just registering and criticising arsenal

[-The Trooper-]

If memory serves...

Rosicky & Hleb both picked up for under £10m each. Henry £10m-11m. Gilberto & van Persie £4m-5m. Lehmann £1m-2m. Fabregas, Senderos, Eboue and Clichy all cheap too.

I doubt Fabregas was "cheap". A Barcelona youth player would cost more than "cheap" even if he was only 17-18 when you bought him. Then think about the quality he showed even then, "cheap" isn't a word that would come into the deal.

ATH10: I guess its only me who thinks £30 million for Shevchenko was a bargin...

[hedwiges]

if somebody bans me i will return with another account and im allowed to criticise anyone i want everbodys entitled to an opinion,thats why threads like this are set up to find out what people think about different topics.

[Yossi]

I doubt Fabregas was "cheap". A Barcelona youth player would cost more than "cheap" even if he was only 17-18 when you bought him. Then think about the quality he showed even then, "cheap" isn't a word that would come into the deal.
Yeah but he didn't have a professional deal at Barca and Arsenal pretty much stole him, and only had to pay minimal compensation. Correct me if I'm wrong anyone.
if somebody bans me i will return with another account
IP ban?

[Rossy Boy]

you wont return cos your ip will get banned

[hedwiges]

ive had accounts banned in the past and have been allowed to make new ones

[Rossy Boy]

what where the account names?

[Yossi]

You haven't been IP banned then obviously.

[Scarface]

I doubt Fabregas was "cheap". A Barcelona youth player would cost more than "cheap" even if he was only 17-18 when you bought him. Then think about the quality he showed even then, "cheap" isn't a word that would come into the deal.

Could 1-1.5m not be considered "cheap". We only needed to pay Barcelona compensation, as he wasn't tied to a professional contract. To do this, we told them not to worry about the rest of the money they owed us from the Marc Overmars transfer, which was around £1m.

http://www.fcbarcelonablog.com/fcbarcelonablog/fcbarcelonablog.php/2006/5/25/barcaas_laporta_attacks_arsena l_and_chel

[Rossy Boy]

who ever banned him deserves a medal

[-The Trooper-]

Could 1-1.5m not be considered "cheap". We only needed to pay Barcelona compensation, as he wasn't tied to a professional contract. To do this, we told them not to worry about the rest of the money they owed us from the Marc Overmars transfer, which was around £1m.

http://www.fcbarcelonablog.com/fcbarcelonablog/fcbarcelonablog.php/2006/5/25/barcaas_laporta_attacks_arsena l_and_chel

Well there ya go then. Didn't know that, shame Barca didn't dig their heels in and milk Arsenal for every penny...

[The Stig]

Well there ya go then. Didn't know that, shame Barca didn't dig their heels in and milk Arsenal for every penny...
What do you mean shame?

[Rossy Boy]

he is basicly sayin he would like to see arsenal splash the cash on fabregas and go bankrupt, i think:unsure:

[-The Trooper-]

I mean that Barca could have made lots more of him - or kept him!

That link was interesting reading, totally agree with the youth development being better in France and Spain, plus it kinda links in with the England game. If England had better youth player development then we would have far more players to choose from (France & Spains national squads for example) rather than relying on the current crop with is ... not showing true form.

[The Stig]

he is basicly sayin he would like to see arsenal splash the cash on fabregas and go bankrupt, i think:unsure:

He was in the Liverpool thread a few minutes ago criticising how we talk about the past alot just because Rafalutionary said were the most successful english club (don't know why rafa said that) and then he comes in saying it's a shame Barca didn't get more money off Arsenal.

[ATH10]

I doubt Fabregas was "cheap". A Barcelona youth player would cost more than "cheap" even if he was only 17-18 when you bought him. Then think about the quality he showed even then, "cheap" isn't a word that would come into the deal.

ATH10: I guess its only me who thinks £30 million for Shevchenko was a bargin...

yes it is only you

[Yossi]

I mean that Barca could have made lots more of him - or kept him!

That link was interesting reading, totally agree with the youth development being better in France and Spain, plus it kinda links in with the England game. If England had better youth player development then we would have far more players to choose from (France & Spains national squads for example) rather than relying on the current crop with is ... not showing true form.
As for the first point, don't you think Barca tried to keep him? The thing is, they couldn't offer first team football instantly due to the structure of the club, and they couldn't offer him a pro deal at his age. Same with Fran Merida, who Arsenal snatched this summer.

The second point- England produce as many decent youngsters as everyone else. The only thing is, England has more foreigners than anywhere else in the years, and so when they hit 18, they can't get into the teams whereas they can in other countries.

[-The Trooper-]

Yeah, should have slightly re-worded that.

Fabregas is a great player and, in my opinion, Barcelona should have got a lot more than 1 - 1.5 million.

Im a Chelsea fan but my best mate is an Arsenal fan and I spent the begining of the year watching Arsenal's champions League games with him and developed a bit of a soft spot for them. Players like Fabregas are a pleasure to watch. Not trying to stir anything up, thats just my opinion on Fabregas moving to Arsenal. Barca got a bit of a bum deal.

ATH10 - :D

[Viperized]

there are only so many deals like the toure deal sometimes you do have to spend big
Nearly every single signing by Wenger has been under £10m:

Diaby 2m
Van Persie 3.5m
Eboue 1.5m
Henry 10m
Rosicky 6m
Lauren 7m
Senderos 2m
Clichy 250k
Djourou 500k?
Fabregas 1m
Hleb 10m
Adebayor 6.5m
Lehmann 1-2m
Flamini ~500k
Ljungberg 3m
Lupoli 200k
Toure 150k
Denilson 4m
Gilberto 4.5m

Walcott 5m (+7)
Reyes 10m (+7)

Pires 6m
Edu 6m
Vieira 2-3m
Anelka 500k

[Rossy Boy]

He was in the Liverpool thread a few minutes ago criticising how we talk about the past alot just because Rafalutionary said were the most successful english club (don't know why rafa said that) and then he comes in saying it's a shame Barca didn't get more money off Arsenal.

strange person


Viperized- henry was 10.5

[martin_cranie]

prove it

Reyes already did it for me. I'll only consider backing my points up if/when you make a vaguely decent point.

[Usul]

Barcelona let go of Cesc also because they had Iniesta and Messi. Perhaps they could have sold him for a little more, but you have to remember that he was seventeen at the time and not as developed as he is now.

Francesc will come home one day. Hopefully before he retires.

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

Fabregas still has a Season Ticket at Barca. Lucky bugger!

[martin_cranie]

Barcelona let go of Cesc also because they had Iniesta and Messi. Perhaps they could have sold him for a little more, but you have to remember that he was seventeen at the time and not as developed as he is now.

Francesc will come home one day. Hopefully before he retires.

They didn't really let him go, they simply couldn't keep him. The story was that some Barca official left a dossier on someones desk stating that they'd just let the most talented midfielder they've had in years go, for next to nothing. To say you simply 'let him go' is incorrect.

Also, Messi plays in a completely different position and Fabregas is much better than Iniesta. At the time Iniesta was probably better but if you don't look to the future then you're going to lose out.

[Usul]

Fabregas is much better than Iniesta
I'd like to remind all of you reading this comment, that it's just Mr. Cranie's biased opinion.

[Nturtle]

Heh heh...good to see a very active thread here!

At the end of the day...Barca still have many good players...as do every team really...it's how everyone fits together that counts...and strangely enough...Wenger seems to have done a reasonable job. It's always a moving target, and teams like Chelsea/Liverpool/Man U are still trying things out as well...witness the improvement in Drogba...with competition and company of Shevchenko...and a new 4-4-2 system...it's not always easy to accomodate new players...and that's the challenge.

You have to give credit to Wenger who has brought in Adebayour (for something different up front) or Rosicky (slotted in pretty well so far in terms of style). He did have difficulty even at the start with Cesc...and Viera leaving left a cloud/produced some doubt...so it proves that nothing is foolproof.

[Jonny2J]

I'd like to remind all of you reading this comment, that it's just Mr. Cranie's biased opinion.I'd say Cesc is the more rounded of the two players and is just slightly a better passer of a ball, I also think playing over here has helped his mentality as he isn't afraid to mix it, whereas Iniesta is quicker and more mobile than Cesc and is also faster with the ball at his feet.

[Ronaldo_is_fat]

I'd say Cesc is the more rounded of the two players and is just slightly a better passer of a ball, I also think playing over here has helped his mentality as he isn't afraid to mix it, whereas Iniesta is quicker and more mobile than Cesc and is also faster with the ball at his feet.

Couldn't agree more because both players do have their pros and cons. I will rather have Fabregas in my team because he is clearly more useful than Iniesta.

[Nturtle]

I'd say Cesc is the more rounded of the two players and is just slightly a better passer of a ball, I also think playing over here has helped his mentality as he isn't afraid to mix it, whereas Iniesta is quicker and more mobile than Cesc and is also faster with the ball at his feet.

Good observation...I'd say Iniesta is a bit more direct in style and maybe less creative than Cesc. What is interesting about young Fab is that he has REALLY tried to mix it as you say JohnnyJ...and he's flying into tackles etc a lot more this season...to almost PROVE that he's big enough and strong enough! :laugh: Not bad...but he now also needs to get a bit of speed and shooting power if he can...then he'll be a bit like Rosicky in attack!

[-The Trooper-]

strange person

You have no idea.

[martin_cranie]

I'd like to remind all of you reading this comment, that it's just Mr. Cranie's biased opinion.

Thanks for reminding everyone that what I say is my opinion. It's really easy to forget that.

I don't believe I once expressed any disdain towards Iniesta, I simply don't think he's as good as Cesc.

[ATH10]

Reyes already did it for me. I'll only consider backing my points up if/when you make a vaguely decent point.

you've got the wrong end of the stick here i asked you to prove that henry cost 10 million and reyes did that and i'll admit i was wrong in this case.

[ATH10]

Couldn't agree more because both players do have their pros and cons. I will rather have Fabregas in my team because he is clearly more useful than Iniesta.

how often do you watch barcelona? remember the cl final when iniesta changed the game so he clearly is useful.

[DARK JAK]

how often do you watch barcelona? remember the cl final when iniesta changed the game so he clearly is useful.

Are you saying that you would prefer Iniesta over Fab? :laugh:

[Viperized]

I'd like to remind all of you reading this comment, that it's just Mr. Cranie's biased opinion.
I do think he right - Fabregas is the better midfielder. Iniesta is quicker and is the better dribbler, but I believe Fabregas is the better passer, stronger, more all rounded as Jonny said and more creative than Iniesta.

[ATH10]

Are you saying that you would prefer Iniesta over Fab? :laugh:

probably not, i was just pointing out that iniesta is also a very good player

[Usul]

Thanks for reminding everyone that what I say is my opinion. It's really easy to forget that.

I don't believe I once expressed any disdain towards Iniesta, I simply don't think he's as good as Cesc.
The key word in my post was biased.

Anyway, i disagree. Jonny's analysis seems fair but, clealry, they both have strenghts that the other lacks, which, in my mind, doesn't make Cesc a better player.

[Yossi]

As a central midfielder, Fabregas is better, however as an attacking midfielder I would say Iniesta is better. Fabregas is better physically so he can play in the middle better, however despite some views in this thread, Iniesta is in my opinion a better passer and can play a final ball better.

Andres Iniesta is one of the most underrated players in the world at the moment I may add.

[TheBishop]

There both great young players who will most probably turn into world class players. However, Fabregas justs shades it for me. His performances in the World Cup were brilliant considering it was his first ever international tournament. Iniesta looks nailed on to be the next Xavi.

[martin_cranie]

The key word in my post was biased.

Your speed to throw the bias label at me intimates that I've knowingly said something laughable and completely incorrect. Funny how I can't think of anything that fits the bill.

It's amusing how I'm bias for thinking Fabregas is the better of two very good players when, in all probability, for one reason or another, most English based football fans would say the same. So, in this case at least, how does my being an Arsenal fan make me bias?

[wrigh2uk]

As a central midfielder, Fabregas is better, however as an attacking midfielder I would say Iniesta is better. Fabregas is better physically so he can play in the middle better, however despite some views in this thread, Iniesta is in my opinion a better passer and can play a final ball better.

Andres Iniesta is one of the most underrated players in the world at the moment I may add.

Your gonna be when your in the same team as :

Messi
Puyol
Mr Dinho
and..Eto

[Usul]

Your speed to throw the bias label at me intimates that I've knowingly said something laughable and completely incorrect. Funny how I can't think of anything that fits the bill.
I never said your comment was laughable. If it was, then i would have typed something like " Martin, that's laughable".

The only thing that the "bias label" suggests, is that the fact that you have most probably watched Fabregas a lot more than Iniesta, is what swayed you to say that Cesc is better overall, when i and many others, don't think so. With good reason, i may add. Now i'm not going to say that one is better than the other, although i do prefer Iniesta, because both have different qualities which, imo, make them equally important to any team.
It's amusing how I'm bias for thinking Fabregas is the better of two very good players when, in all probability, for one reason or another, most English based football fans would say the same.
What's amusing is how quickly you took offense at a comment that wasn't meant to be offensive.
So, in this case at least, how does my being an Arsenal fan make me bias?
Forgive my thickness, but are you saying that just because most English would be biased towards Fabregas, because they watch him more, this makes you a biased Englishman rather than a biased Arsenal fan?

You know what. Let's take this outside.

[Jonny2J]

Theo's 2nd goal tonight was so Henry-esque it was uncanny. :huh:

[Rossy Boy]

yes i agree as soon as i saw it henry came straight to my head

[Yossi]

He did look rather special, took both of his goals excellently, he will definitely be a top player very shortly indeed on that showing.

Gary Doherty had him in his pocket and didn't give him a kick all game last season though :)

[Viperized]

Where can I see his goals?

[Yossi]

Well the match is repeated on SS1 from 11:30 until 1:00, however I guess SSN is the best bet.

[Scarface]

You can see his second goal here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIRMKocEHsQ)

Brilliant goal.

[Rossy Boy]

yeh i love that goal, would like to see him do more of that in an arsenal shirt this season

[stuttgart]

ya wont see him in an arsenal shirt much this season

nd why would you want to when youve got the likes of thierry henry,julio baptista and robin van persie that can play up front

[TheBishop]

All in good time mate. I'm glad people are starting to see what all the fuss was about with Theo. Our Carling Cup team is gonna look quite tasty: Walcott, Denilson, Djourou (possibly), Flamini ( maybe) , That young Portugese player.

[stuttgart]

shame nobody gives a toss about the carling cup

[Rossy Boy]

ya wont see him in an arsenal shirt much this season

nd why would you want to when youve got the likes of thierry henry,julio baptista and robin van persie that can play up front

yeh but atleast we know he is there if we need him

[stuttgart]

and who is that young portugese player

[TheBishop]

Obviously knowone gives a toss about the Carling Cup, thats why we always put youngsters out. But try telling that to Man Utd last season. Carling Cup is only worth winning for teams other than Chelsea, Man Utd ,Arsenal and Liverpool mainly.

The Portugese player is Rui Fonte
http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=420397&CPID=8&clid=3&lid=&title=Gunners+new+boy+tipped+f or+top

[stuttgart]

or any other team capable of qualifying for the uefa cup through the league

[Rossy Boy]

when did we get him ive never herd of him

[stuttgart]

me neither can you give me some evidence that this player is an arsenal one please

no dont worry ive found some evidence and he joined august last year

[Rossy Boy]

oh i never knew that what is he like bishop is he any good?

[TheBishop]

http://www.arsenal.com/player.asp?thisNav=reserves+an d+youth&PLID=68286&clid=4436&cpid=825&title=Player+Page+Rui+Fonte&LID=Player+Files

I haven't seen him play yet but apparently he's been scoring reguarly for the Academy side and is already in the Reserves plans, so a Carling Cup start looks on the cards.

[Rossy Boy]

cool, we might have a good young striking partnership there walcott and rui fonte

[stuttgart]

arsenal do have some good attacking options but that defence needs a lot of work

[Rossy Boy]

yeh that is what has let us down alot of the times

[Viperized]

You can see his second goal here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIRMKocEHsQ)

Brilliant goal.
Cheers. You got the first goal as well?

That was a brilliant goal. Superb finish.

[Rossy Boy]

very henry like dont you think viperized

[Rambo]

Walcott's goal was very good but it was all about the build up to the goal, the way he breezed past the German player was amazing

[Rossy Boy]

yeh he is a very good talented young player and causes alot of havoc when on the pitch

[TheBishop]

cool, we might have a good young striking partnership there walcott and rui fonte

Plus Carlos Vela. Also have to remember Van Persie is only 23. Great future for us attacking wise.

[Viperized]

Yes. It reminds me of his goal against Liverpool last season, except Walcott was running at full pace.

[Rossy Boy]

yeh just need to improve on our defense

[Scarface]

Then there's Bendtner, Lupoli and Aliadiere (I know a lot of fans have given up hope with him, but he's still young and the talent is there) aswell.

So much attacking potential.

Here's Walcott's first goal. Another very cool finish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5DPxVvwgP8

[Viperized]

We need to improve our defence? No way, Jose!

Our defenders:
Eboue
Lauren
Toure
Gallas
Senderos
Djourou
Clichy

If you ask me, thats a QUALITY set of defenders.

[stuttgart]

it isnt compared to other title challenging defences

[Viperized]

Then there's Bendtner, Lupoli and Aliadiere (I know a lot of fans have given up hope with him, but he's still young and the talent is there) aswell.

So much attacking potential.

Here's Walcott's first goal. Another very cool finish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5DPxVvwgP8
Did anyone see Aliadiere's goal against Charlton reserves (I think?). It was so Henry-esque.

He looks like a very strong player and is also pretty damn fast as well as being a good finisher. Hopefully he'll bang some in the Carling Cup.

Such a cool finish... Walcott is going to be a star.

[Rossy Boy]

i suppose just not that good atm seeing as senderos and clichy are still out

[Scarface]

yeah arsenal just have to hope they dont have peice of defending to do

Yeah, good point, like in the Champions League last year. We're just hopeless defensively.

[Jonny2J]

it isnt compared to other title challenging defencesI rate it higher than Man Yoo's i'd say, especially in central area's. Although Neville and Heinze I believe could walk into your team. But i'd still take your defence.

The main difference for Chelsea and Liverpool (well prior to this season's individual errors) is how well drilled both teams are as a defensive unit. Reina's sweeping abilities as well are a goalkeeper are excellent and are a key part to this.

[stuttgart]

arsenals defence is nowhere near as good as man utds

[Rossy Boy]

yeh thats what let us down in the champions league, also reyes could you put a poll on the Who's the better passer: Alonso Or Fabregas thread

[Viperized]

it isnt compared to other title challenging defences
I'm sorry but thats bullshit. Toure and Gallas are arguebly two of the best defenders in the Premiership. Djourou and Senderos are also two excellent young defenders easily capable of filling in against a big team, if Gallas or Toure are injured.

Chelsea:

Geremi
Ferreria
Bouladrouz
Carvalho
Terry
Cole
Bridge

Only 3 central defenders, and I don't see how their set of defenders is so much better than ours.

[Scarface]

arsenals defence is nowhere near as good as man utds

:laugh:

Don't be silly, Hedwi...er, Stuttgart.

[stuttgart]

just by having 3 good defenders their thats better than what arsenal have and toure IS NOT one of the best central defenders in the premiership,his not even in the top 10

[Rambo]

arsenals defence is nowhere near as good as man utds
I am not sure about that but I think our defence is more flexible than Aresnal's

[Rossy Boy]

we really need to get a good leftback to be honest clichy isnt really the best

[Scarface]

yeh thats what let us down in the champions league

I was being sarcastic. ;)

It was our defence that helped us reach the final. Once Gael Clichy and the balance returns, we'll be fine.

[Viperized]

just by having 3 good defenders their thats better than what arsenal have and toure IS NOT one of the best central defenders in the premiership,his not even in the top 10
Terry, Carvalho and Bouladrouz are not a better set of defenders than Toure, Gallas, Djourou and Snederos. Toure isn't even in the top 10? Hilarious. Here mate, you should really take a visit to this website:
http://www.aona.co.uk/help/drugs

[Rossy Boy]

:laugh:

[Viperized]

we really need to get a good leftback to be honest clichy isnt really the best
Clichy is brilliant. He was fantastic in the F.A. Cup during 2005. He is like a carbon-copy of cole, but he'll need some improvements defensively - he gets caught out of position a few times as he prefers to attack. But that will solve with experiance..

He is only 21 and has plenty of time to become a fantastic LB. If he stays injury-free I have no doubts he'll be an excellent player.

[stuttgart]

i was talking about terry,cole and bridge-thats 3 good defenders,arsenal only have 1 and name me every central defender in the premiership you consider better than kolo toure

[Viperized]

Cole and Bridge aren't CBs..... http://www.aona.co.uk/help/drugs

Its true that Chelsea have a good set of defenders in Terry, Bouladrouz and Carvalho, but thats only three defenders. Once they get a few injuries, disaster will strike. I remember Chelsea played Ferreira at CB this season.

As I said, I'd prefer to have Toure, Gallas, Djourou and Senderos (4 defenders) rather than Terry, Bouladrouz and Carvalho (3 defenders).

[stuttgart]

we were talking about defenders in general

now can you please name me every central defender better than toure

[Scarface]

i was talking about terry,cole and bridge-thats 3 good defenders,arsenal only have 1 and name me every central defender in the premiership you consider better than kolo toure

William Gallas and John Terry.

You class Wayne Bridge as a good defender, and not Kolo Toure? I think that says it all.

[Rossy Boy]

Clichy is brilliant. He was fantastic in the F.A. Cup during 2005. He is like a carbon-copy of cole, but he'll need some improvements defensively - he gets caught out of position a few times as he prefers to attack. But that will solve with experiance..

He is only 21 and has plenty of time to become a fantastic LB. If he stays injury-free I have no doubts he'll be an excellent player.

yeh he needs some improvement

[stuttgart]

yep

[Viperized]

we were talking about defenders in general

now can you please name me every central defender better than toure
I would consider Toure pretty much on an equal wavelength as Gallas and Terry.

[Rossy Boy]

You class Wayne Bridge as a good defender.


:laugh::laugh:

thats got to be the funniest thing ive herd all day

[stuttgart]

what reyes the only central defenders you consider better than toure are terry and gallas

[Jonny2J]

Wayne Bridge is a quality defender. He was in fantastic form at the start of this season and would walk into most teams in the league. Just a shame really as Cole had to play for all the hype and coverage of his move. Bridge is an honest a pro as they come, a good lad, nothing bad is ever said about him. Just his face doesn't seem to fit at Mourinho's Chelsea. I do hope he gets himself a move sorted out in particular to a certain team who reside at St. James' Park. ;)

[stuttgart]

i agree jonny 2j

[stuttgart]

you think me saying bridge is good is funny,viperized thinks toure is on the same wavelength as terry and gallas lmao@u

[Scarface]

what reyes the only central defenders you consider better than toure are terry and gallas

In the Premiership, yes. And even then, it's a close run thing.