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Billy Minof
05-11-2006, 15:07
How the hell we didn't get that penalty (Spector on Hleb) I don't know...
United on Arsenal you mean...:ninja:
BTW, Not happy with your member wars vote. :huh:
United on Arsenal you mean...:ninja:
BTW, Not happy with your member wars vote. :huh:
LOL...sorry Gaffer...I knew I was in trouble...but...I gave it to the most creative this time around...:cool:
CaptainCabinet
05-11-2006, 15:12
Cor blimey, I didn't know Toure had that in his locker.
Sheesh...this game is Arsenal's to lose...almost got caught out again!
Rossy Boy
05-11-2006, 15:14
Cor blimey, I didn't know Toure had that in his locker.
:laugh: i know what a shot
The Stig
05-11-2006, 15:14
Cor blimey, I didn't know Toure had that in his locker.What he do?
CaptainCabinet
05-11-2006, 15:15
What he do?
Lashed one from 25ish yards just past the post. Beautifully hit.
Only swerved out at the last moment...bugger
CaptainCabinet
05-11-2006, 15:21
Only swerved out at the last moment...bugger
You'd have been 1-0 up if that had been me mate :mellow:
Lehmann has skills there...
Ok so you'd be 1-1 if I'd have had that shot.
Billy Minof
05-11-2006, 15:22
Harewood, Who? Harewood.
Rossy Boy
05-11-2006, 15:22
why did toure stand off :angry:
Ah man....bad calls by the linesmen...and crikey...here we go again...another crappy loss...how can flamini not be fouled from behind?!?!??!? ARGH!
Billy Minof
05-11-2006, 15:26
They think its all over...It is now.
CaptainCabinet
05-11-2006, 15:28
To be fair, if your strikers play like that you don't really deserve to win...A draw maybe...but not a win.
The Stig
05-11-2006, 15:28
Arsenal simply need to start taking their chances. Any other day that chance Rosicky had where he was clean in he would of buried it.
vanNistelrooy
05-11-2006, 15:31
No plan B, simple as that really.
At first viewing I thought Spector had cought the top of the ball, but I'm not sure. If I was the ref I would have given a penalty though.
Nice to see some class Arsene ;)
CaptainCabinet
05-11-2006, 15:31
With me up top you'd have had ten today lads :mellow:
The Stig
05-11-2006, 15:33
With me up top you'd have had ten today lads :mellow:
Captain Cabinet - The most prolific goalscorer in the world. Erm I mean Thierry Henry - The most prolific goalscorer in the world. :tongue:
What an awful performance, Henry was wank, Fabregas played probably the worst I've seen him, and Hleb was invisible. We had no penetration at all, no zest, no movement, just knocking the ball around. Our fucking left back was our best player.
CaptainCabinet
05-11-2006, 15:35
What an awful performance, Henry was wank, Fabregas played probably the worst I've seen him, and Hleb was invisible. We had no penetration at all, no zest, no movement, just knocking the ball around. Our fucking left back was our best player.
Spot on mate. If you could keep it up 'til after you play Portsmouth it'd be much appreciated.;)
Billy Minof
05-11-2006, 15:37
What an awful performance, Henry was wank, Fabregas played probably the worst I've seen him, and Hleb was invisible. We had no penetration at all, no zest, no movement, just knocking the ball around. Our fucking left back was our best player.
Baptista anyone???
Karaoke29
05-11-2006, 15:44
I think that the players lacked the win spirit. I do not know the reason and I think this was their worst match of the season till now.
ThierryHenry14
05-11-2006, 15:44
great another rubbish result whats happening
vanNistelrooy
05-11-2006, 15:45
Yeah, where the hell is he?
mufcsean
05-11-2006, 15:45
Why did Wenger and Pardew kick off i missed what was happening
CaptainCabinet
05-11-2006, 15:47
Wenger got pissed off with Pards celebration... (I think)
ThierryHenry14
05-11-2006, 15:48
we still have a good league position just i don't think we will win the championship i reckon 3rd or 4th position we had a great line up
Karaoke29
05-11-2006, 15:49
This was directly after Harewood goal, I'm not sure what happened, but after awhile, Wenger tried to apologise to Pardew but after the match Pardew refused to shake hands with Wenger.
Stella Artois
05-11-2006, 15:50
Difficult to argue with the result, we were shite unfortunately - I mean Marlon Harewood scored for fucks sake.
Is it just me, or did anyone else feel that Etherington fouled Flamini in the build-up?
Oh and I thought Wenger was a bit immature myself, but then again, I'd kick the cunt in (Pardew) if he celebrated like that in front of me.
Yeah, where the hell is he?
Still injured, along with Freddie.
Karaoke29
05-11-2006, 15:52
we still have a good league position just i don't think we will win the championship i reckon 3rd or 4th position we had a great line up
I insist, Arenal still have a chance to win the title. If Arsenal win the two matches in hand, the points gap will be 7 only. What is more, we are still in the beginning of the season.
CaptainCabinet
05-11-2006, 15:54
I insist, Arenal still have a chance to win the title. If Arsenal win the two matches in hand, the points gap will be 7 only. What is more, we are still in the beginning of the season.
They've just lost one of them mate ;).
ThierryHenry14
05-11-2006, 15:57
we will still have 2 games in hand i think
CaptainCabinet
05-11-2006, 16:00
Nope you've now played 10 according to BBC.
vanNistelrooy
05-11-2006, 16:02
Nope you've now played 10 according to BBC.
Yep, 10 points behind us with the one game in hand.
for a moment there i wished AW had a baseball bat under his jacket, so he could beat the shit out of that cunt pardew for whatever reason .. as for the performance, well, i can't believe iam watching ARSENAL play like that so far this season, it's so frustrating!! beatin by westham?!! i mean whats next?? spurs?? for fucks sake get u're act together AW!! that's all i can say ......
Karaoke29
05-11-2006, 16:04
You are wright CC, I've just checked skysports. However, if Arsenal win the only match in hand, so the points difference will be just 7.
CaptainCabinet
05-11-2006, 16:06
But they won't because then they'd be above Portsmouth which would not be good ;).
Karaoke29
05-11-2006, 16:08
Are you still a Portsmouth fan, matey? :D
CaptainCabinet
05-11-2006, 16:12
What do you mean still? You cut me I bleed blue son.
Karaoke29
05-11-2006, 16:23
So, I'm happy to find a weirdo fan as well like that Ahmedios. Cut me and certainly you'll enjoy the black and white coloured blood of mine. ;)
Stella Artois
05-11-2006, 16:42
Jesus Christ it's bad enough you're on Insight, but surely you don't need to be in this thread? ;/
Keep it Arsenal related, ladies.
Oh, and just to show how shit the Scottish league is, Anthony Stokes, who is at Falkirk, (he's online from us, if you don't know...) is the leagues top scorer with 9 goals...
Karaoke29
05-11-2006, 16:46
Mind your own business....
The Stig
05-11-2006, 16:52
Jesus Christ it's bad enough you're on Insight, but surely you don't need to be in this thread? ;/
Keep it Arsenal related, ladies.
Oh, and just to show how shit the Scottish league is, Anthony Stokes, who is at Falkirk, (he's online from us, if you don't know...) is the leagues top scorer with 9 goals...
Never even heard of him oh and don't you mean onloan? I thought you meant he was online here for a minute. :laugh:
Stella Artois
05-11-2006, 16:54
Woops, typical stupid error from moi.
Yes, I meant on loan.
This was directly after Harewood goal, I'm not sure what happened, but after awhile, Wenger tried to apologise to Pardew but after the match Pardew refused to shake hands with Wenger.
It was the other way round wenger refused to shake with pardew.
Scarface
05-11-2006, 20:10
What an awe-inspiring performance.
Joey summed it up pretty well.
The whole performance and Wenger's reaction was embarrassing. He shouldn't stoop to Alan Pardew's level. Likewise, the referee's performance was a joke. I said this before his decision not to give us a clear cut penalty, so this is not just sour grapes. He gave us some decisions he shouldn't have, and he gave them some decisions he shouldn't have, but when a "top-level" referee can't spot a blatant hack when a player is through on goal, from 5 yards away, you have to wonder.
Anyway, that doesn't cover the fact it was an abysmal performance, and we didn't deserve the win. How many shots did we manage on goal today? 2 efforts (and powder-puff ones, at that), was it?
Joel Rojo
05-11-2006, 23:54
I think the best chance may have been the bounce-shot Van Persie took, which Green covered beautifully, or Touré's shot, which for a second I had thought it was a goal. Anyway, it was sad, and it was sadder because I have to wake up at 6-7 am every Sunday to watch the games live.
At least I think Henry is now periodically trying to do his thing. I found him to be more lazy the first games of the season. Now he just goes and crashes onto random defenders, but they shouldn't be able to restrain him for long.
Viperized
06-11-2006, 00:22
Another shit performance by us. Henry was abysmal, Hleb was poor, Fabregas has never played this bad in an Arsenal shirt and Rosicky should've buried a chance but yet again, we missed a chance we should've scored. The ref was a cunt anyway. That was a clear cut penalty. Once again, decisions have not went our way.
Why the fuck are we continuing to play 451? The formation is cancer FFS. Van Persie and Henry are suffering because of this system. 442 is the way to go and I honestly believes it brings the best out of our players.
We had no fight and hunger today. Our midfield was bollocks. Henry was pissing me off - Clichy and Toure were running their arse of whilst Henry as walking around like a cunt. Not saying Henry is one, but It made me mad when he was playing like a lazy twat. Two seasons ago he would've run for the ball and had a greater work rate, but now he just seems to think everyone should pass the ball to him as he is captain.
The only positives out of this match were Toure and Clichy's performances. Its great to see Clichy at left-back. He was excellent, making many brilliant tackles. Toure's performance was typical, and I really believe he is the best defender in the league. That was an awesome shot from 35-40 yards. Its a shame they are always 'so close'...
Joel's post said it all...our best player was Clichy...
We didn't deserve very much...but it was a very boring game to tell the truth....10 men behind the ball is a great tactic these days...we should have played 2-5-3 or something!!!
Bah...I'm not sure how the ref didn't give the penalty on a clear foul from behind by Spector...gave Clichy a yellow card for keeping his eyes on the ball and headbutting Spector accidentally...should have sent Spector off for his challenge on VP...cripes...the linesmen conspired to keep out forwards off side every time...despite photo replays showing some good chances when they were ONside...sheesh...
Can't moan...we didn't do enough...and Rosicky should have scored when put through. Bad game all round...at least Chelsea also lost...bah...
Strawberry Jam
06-11-2006, 17:51
Let me get two things straight,No way did Jonathan Spector foul Alexander Hleb and No Way Did Matthew Etherington foul Mathieu Flamini
Let me get two things straight,No way did Jonathan Spector foul Alexander Hleb and No Way Did Matthew Etherington foul Mathieu Flamini.
There was clear contact with Alexander Hleb
ManUtd4ever do you think Dejan Stefanovic fouled Wayne Rooney on Saturday ?
Lets not go off topic but i'll answer it anyway
No there was minimal contact
Viperized
06-11-2006, 22:20
Let me get two things straight,No way did Jonathan Spector foul Alexander Hleb and No Way Did Matthew Etherington foul Mathieu Flamini.
Did you even watch the match? Spector chopped off Hleb's legs for fucks sake.
Strawberry Jam....
Sir/Madam...I don't begrudge the win since you appear to be a West Ham fan...but...I think a little REASON would be good...and evidence pls!! The replays clearly showed Spector going into Hleb. :realmad:
Ethrington came at Flamini FROM BEHIND...with no contact on the ball...normally...that is called a foul.. :no:
Stella Artois
07-11-2006, 11:38
Strawberry Jam, you're a twat.
The clash between Arsene Wenger and Alan Pardew on the touchline at West Ham on Sunday left me breathless. I was so shocked when they squared up to one another and I have to admit that I was a bit embarrassed for Arsene because it looked so bad.
You can't knock Pardew for celebrating and I don't think he was that close to Arsene when he did it, either.
The West Ham manager has been under severe pressure all season and was just letting off a bit of steam. If he had just stood there and not shown any emotion, the fans would say that he didn't care.
I'm sure Arsene will look back and think, 'what have I done'? He should now come out and say publicly, "It was heat of the moment and I was wrong to behave like that". That's what I would do.
The Arsene Wenger I saw ranting on the sidelines was not the Arsene Wenger that I played 30 times for at Highbury. I never once saw him get the hump and he was always super cool before, during and after matches.
I remember getting beaten at home by Wimbledon soon after he took over as manager and we were expecting him to go ballistic afterwards - especially after being so used to George Graham's tantrums - but he never said a word to us. Not a thing.
That was the way he was, always so calm. I never once saw him get mad but that was nearly 10 years ago now. So what has changed? Why does he now seem ready to boil over?
You can understand why he was frustrated on Sunday. His team were about to lose the game and had not hit the heights they reached against CSKA Moscow in midweek. Even then, they failed to beat a team that were there for the taking after more than 20 shots on goal.
What will be consuming Wenger's thoughts more than anything now is that Arsenal are virtually out of the title race. They beat Manchester United at Old Trafford and yet they are still 10 points behind them.
Arsenal have failed to beat Aston Villa, Middlesbrough, Everton, Manchester City and now West Ham - a game Wenger would have looked at and thought, 'we have to win that match'.
Their problem at the moment is consistency. Sometimes they play the most phenomenal football - they were superb against CSKA even though they did not win and sublime at Reading - but they have to be up for every game because all teams want to beat them and against West Ham too many players were strolling around and getting robbed of the ball.
Ultimately, though, Arsene needs to be a sportsman - he has to remember that above all else. He looked petulant not shaking Pardew's hand because by that stage, he'd had five minutes to calm down and collect his thoughts following his clash.
It is not on to refuse to shake hands. He is manager of Arsenal Football Club, a great club with high standards. When I was manager of Walsall and we got dumped out of the FA Cup by nonleague Slough I still accepted their manager's hand afterwards and said, 'good luck'.
They were running up and down the line and celebrating madly. I thought, 'why not'? They had just won and knocked a league team out of the Cup.
In rugby, the players rip each others heads off and stamp all over each other but when the final whistle goes, they still shake hands. So why can't two football managers standing on a touchline do it?
All good teams don't like losing and you are going to get the hump occasionally but you have to be bigger than that.
I also thought Arsene was wrong not to explain his actions. Sky ploughs so much money into the game that they deserve a few minutes of the manager's time and if it wasn't for them, players wouldn't get top wages, neither would managers and the English game would not be what it is.
It is all a big headache for Wenger but that goes with the territory. Despite what happened at the weekend, I still have huge respect for him. He is one of the best managers in the world and I would have thought he has a job for life at Arsenal for what he has done for that club but sometimes he needs to draw breath.
An article by Paul Merson in the Daily Mail...
Honestly, why doesn't he shut up? I realise he wants to become a decent TV pundit and has to be seen to be neutral, but he's talking out of his arse now. Doesn't he realise that if Wenger has never reacted like that in 10 years, then something must have been said or done to make him do so.
Paul, you were a fantastic player for us, but you're being a prat. Shut it.
Oh, and the rumours going round speculate that the reason Wenger got angry was Pardew supposedly said, "Made in England". I find that slightly ironic given they don't have a single player in the England side.
Why don't people just shut the fuck up about AW not shaking padrew's filthy hand. That's a personal thing and arsene was offended, i'm sick and tiered of people saying if i was arsene i would've shaken pardew's hand or accepted his apology blah blah .. well u're not arsene so fuck off!! The guy was clearly offended and he isn't pleased with whatever happened, its totally up to him weather to accept apologies or not .. easy!!
alpine goal
07-11-2006, 20:23
We got to remember the type of football we once played. As Arsenal fans we have been so lucky over the Wenger years, we play football like none of us ever dreamed of . We have no right to win ever game we play and if we did it would be boring. But we have seen some of the best one touch football ever from his side's. Remember when we were happy to win 1-0 and even sing about it. Dont get me wrong when we lose I could eat barb wire and piss brick acid. But we play the most wonderful football now. I,ve been every where to watch the Arsenal and I would rather watch us now than at any other point in history. Remember the Terry O'Neil days when 0-0 at home to West Brom would have sent you home happy, cause I do (and payed for it). When fans boo at home games I just want to kick their arse's, but I must be good now. So now I just shout have you ever been away ! If they say yes then they don't understand the and 2nd I would remember them. You get to know the faces at away games. But Mers should pipe down, but still love him. So be greatful for what we got.
Joel Rojo
07-11-2006, 22:13
Carlos Vela is at the moment tied for second place as top scorer for the Spanish second division, one goal away from the top spot. He also has the number nine shirt, I'd never noticed.
On other youngster related news, Fran Merida has been called to first team for the fourth round of the Carling Cup, meaning he'd debut at the same age as Cesc did. (Cesc debuted at 16 years and something like 140 days, and Merida is 16 years old with 200 and something days).
Stella Artois
07-11-2006, 22:20
Good news for both of them, just a shame I can't find highlights of Vela anywhere on the Internet.
Viperized
07-11-2006, 22:26
How many goals has Vela got? I hear Stokes is doing extremely well at Falkirk. He is only 17 and is the top scorer in the Scottish League, which sounds promising.
Scarface
07-11-2006, 22:32
How many goals has Vela got?
6 goals in 10 appearances, last I heard.
Stella Artois
07-11-2006, 22:33
How many goals has Vela got? I hear Stokes is doing extremely well at Falkirk. He is only 17 and is the top scorer in the Scottish League, which sounds promising.
He scored tonight in the CIS Cup at Parkhead against Celtic as well...
He scored tonight in the CIS Cup at Parkhead against Celtic as well...
He scored TWO consecutive hatricks in the previous league games as well...not bad...haven't seen any videos of stokes...but he's turning out to be an interesting fella for the Scottish league.
Vela sounds like a class player as well...we just have to see how it works...maybe we need to go 4-3-3 more...if these youngsters come back in a few years time.
Joel Rojo
08-11-2006, 08:24
Vela is still at 6 goals at 10 appearances, as Reyes commented, and Stella, I found links to a couple of his goals at his Wikipedia entry ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Vela ), I guess they will keep updating that with newer goals every once in a while.
Stella Artois
08-11-2006, 09:10
Thanks for that. :)
Everton captain Phil Neville has accused Arsenal of showing a lack of respect ahead of the meeting of the two sides in the Carling Cup.
Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger was unhappy with Everton's tactics during the 1-1 draw at Emirates Stadium last month accusing them of time-wasting.
Wenger's accusations upset Neville and the England international believes Arsenal should show Everton a little bit more respect.
"The only negativity about us after the Arsenal game came from within the Arsenal camp," said Neville.
"I have played against teams before who put men behind the ball and play counter-attack football.
"You have to play that way if you want to get any joy playing at the Emirates Stadium.
"You can't go out and play 4-2-4 and be gung-ho because Arsenal are a great team, a great passing team. They can pass great teams off the park so we had to make sure we gave them no space.
"Maybe a little bit more respect should have been paid to us."
Clearly he is as well versed as Gary in the art of talking bollocks.
pistolpete
08-11-2006, 11:36
hands up who cares what phil neville thinks......
hi im new here so go easy, thought my 1st post should go in the arsenal thread cause im Arsenal through and through.
Love the fact that many of you are as dedicated to the best team in the world as i am.
CaptainCabinet
08-11-2006, 11:38
Love the fact that many of you are as dedicated to the best team in the world as i am.
Thanks man, Portsmouth are doing pretty dam well :mellow:.
pistolpete
08-11-2006, 11:56
pretty well for a team of rejects
CaptainCabinet
08-11-2006, 11:59
1. It was a joke, no need to get shirty.
2. A team of rejects that are above you :ninja:.
pistolpete
08-11-2006, 12:07
ok, ok, mate, my apologies, i actually have a bit of a soft spot for portsmouth, i respect what harry has done there, and your fans are always reasonable and give good support. I remember when we played in the fa cup few years back and were winning 5-1 and your fans were singing right to the end and applauded our players too
No offence, glad you are up there rather than spurs!
greenegg
08-11-2006, 21:46
Hey Gooners, vote greenegg in the member wars. :w00t
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/kingegg/campateam002.jpg
Rossy Boy
08-11-2006, 21:51
Where did you steal that top from Greenegg :lol:
GET IN
83:36 GOAL - Emmanuel Adebayor
Everton 0 - Arsenal 1
greenegg
08-11-2006, 21:54
Check out some other official team threads mate :ninja:
Strawberry Jam
08-11-2006, 22:00
Hey Gooners, vote greenegg in the member wars. :w00t
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/kingegg/campateam002.jpg
No you fat bastard!
martin_cranie
08-11-2006, 22:01
Haha, I'm loving that shirt greenegg.
Good result against Everton by the sounds of it. They fielded a tough team but we still got through. Nice to see Eboue, Senderos and Adebayor back in the team too.
greenegg
08-11-2006, 22:03
No You Fat Bastard!
I am really hurt and would like an apology. Notice how I don't have a Wet spam shirt eh. :w00t
Haha, I'm loving that shirt greenegg.
Good result against Everton by the sounds of it. They fielded a tough team but we still got through. Nice to see Eboue, Senderos and Adebayor back in the team too.
If you love that shirt Cranie my friend you know what to do
http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=44624
where on god's earth was that pic taken greenegg?? 'just curiuos'
greenegg
08-11-2006, 22:05
where on god's earth was that pic taken greenegg?? 'just curiuos'
Haha in my flat which is under going rennovation work as you can see
Rossy Boy
08-11-2006, 22:05
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/5708/42293580mcfaddengetty30yo3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
dont we just love it :tongue:
Strawberry Jam
08-11-2006, 22:06
[QUOTE=greenegg;853782]I am really hurt and would like an apology. Notice how I don't have a Wet spam shirt eh. :w00t
1-0 Mate
Strawberry Jam
08-11-2006, 22:09
I say Arsenal should bugger off out of all of our English cup's and our English Premier League until they get rid of all these Africans and actually get some English players!
Haha in my flat which is under going rennovation work as you can see
u won my vote .. nice shirt :laugh:
I Say Arsenal Should Bugger Off Out Of All Of Our English Cup's And Our English Premier League Until They Get Rid Of All These Africans And Actually Get Some English Players!
I say you should bugger off out of this forum until you can talk sense and not type all in capitals.
Scarface
08-11-2006, 22:11
I Say Arsenal Should Bugger Off Out Of All Of Our English Cup's And Our English Premier League Until They Get Rid Of All These Africans And Actually Get Some English Players!
I say you should not double post again, unless you would like a ban.
1-0 Mate
2 points off the relegation zone mate
I Say Arsenal Should Bugger Off Out Of All Of Our English Cup's And Our English Premier League Until They Get Rid Of All These Africans And Actually Get Some English Players!
people like u make me sick! :realmad:
The Stig
08-11-2006, 22:13
I Say Arsenal Should Bugger Off Out Of All Of Our English Cup's And Our English Premier League Until They Get Rid Of All These Africans And Actually Get Some English Players!
Whats with all the capitals?
Rossy Boy
08-11-2006, 22:14
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8803/42293710adebayorgetty41ir9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
The Stig
08-11-2006, 22:15
I am so glad Andy Johnson didn't score at the end. Because Peter Reid would of shit his kecks and I would of lost £275.
I Say Arsenal Should Bugger Off Out Of All Of Our English Cup's And Our English Premier League Until They Get Rid Of All These Africans And Actually Get Some English Players!
You are a cunt. Simple as.
Viperized
08-11-2006, 22:47
I Say Arsenal Should Bugger Off Out Of All Of Our English Cup's And Our English Premier League Until They Get Rid Of All These Africans And Actually Get Some English Players!
Fuck off you cunt.
edit: You're a cunt.
greenegg
08-11-2006, 22:59
I am so glad Andy Johnson didn't score at the end. Because Peter Reid would of shit his kecks and I would of lost £275.
:laugh:
You are a cunt. Simple as.
:laugh: :laugh:
Fuck off you cunt.
edit: You're a cunt.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Stella Artois
09-11-2006, 00:05
Egg, the man with no shame
Great result tonight, shame we couldn't beat the cunts the other week!
alpine goal
09-11-2006, 00:08
I Say Arsenal Should Bugger Off Out Of All Of Our English Cup's And Our English Premier League Until They Get Rid Of All These Africans And Actually Get Some English Players!
Don't care where they come from as long as they are class. Thats all that counts ! Hope the next time you go to the hospital you get all Africans and they fuck you up you backward bastard. Bet you still shag the cat and beat your wife !
martin_cranie
09-11-2006, 00:25
I Say Arsenal Should Bugger Off Out Of All Of Our English Cup's And Our English Premier League Until They Get Rid Of All These Africans And Actually Get Some English Players!
We're honoured to have you among us, Alan.
I wonder how many English players you'll have in your first XI after the takeover. Expectations will be high and money won't be too much of an object. Who's more likely to win you things; Tevez and Mascherano class players or the Bowyer's and Konchesky's of the world?
Good result....shame the game reporting is about Poll, Mr 3 yellow cards, and giving a straight red to McFadden...
Would have been good to see the kids play...any highlights anyone?
Strawberry Jam
09-11-2006, 16:33
Right guys,i didn't explain my point very well.Im not saying we should kick all foreigners out of English comp's,if we did that English football wouldn't be nowhere near as great as it is today and as it has been for many years.All im saying is i believe there should be restrictions on how many foreigners English clubs have in their starting XI
Viperized
09-11-2006, 21:56
Right guys,i didn't explain my point very well.Im not saying we should kick all foreigners out of English comp's,if we did that English football wouldn't be nowhere near as great as it is today and as it has been for many years.All im saying is i believe there should be restrictions on how many foreigners English clubs have in their starting XI.
You didn't?
Quoting, you: "I Say Arsenal Should Bugger Off Out Of All Of Our English Cup's And Our English Premier League Until They Get Rid Of All These Africans And Actually Get Some English Players!"
Moron.
We actually have quite a few English players. Two or three of them are out on loan, and they'll be put in the first team squad next season hopefully. But as martin_cranie said, you are more likely to win matches with the likes of Tevez and Mascherano as opposed to having the Bowyer's and the Konchesky's.
Its a fact that the foreigners are better footballers than 80-85% of the English players in the Premiership. Additionally, the foreigners are far cheaper - they aren't sold for ridiculous prices such as £30m for Rio or even £12m for Walcott. £12m for a 16 year old Championship player who wasn't even a first teamer! I couldn't believe it when Man Utd signed Carrick for £18m. Carrick is a good player, but I would expect to sign a world-class player with that amount of money to be honest. He is worth no more than £10m, but his nationality boosts his price considerably. In contrast we signed Rosicky, who is the captain of Czech Republic, has loads of Champions League experience, played well in the World Cup and is a damn talented player. He was signed for only £6m. Thats an absolute bargain for a player of his calibre in my opinion. An additional example that I always use is Toure's price - £150,000. He is possibly the best defender in the Premiership, and didn't cost a penny over £150k!
To summerise, the reason we buy few English players is because they're just TOO DAMN EXPENSIVE and many of them aren't good enough.
Stella Artois
10-11-2006, 10:04
I'd like to let anyone who is interested in seeing what Wenger has to say in his traditional Friday conference, that it has been cancelled.
This is the first time in 10 years this has happened, so you've got to wonder just what went on at Upton Park.
I'd like to let anyone who is interested in seeing what Wenger has to say in his traditional Friday conference, that it has been cancelled.
This is the first time in 10 years this has happened, so you've got to wonder just what went on at Upton Park.I heard a rumour that he'd offered to resign. :ohmy:
Stella Artois
10-11-2006, 11:07
I don't doubt he did. Something made him snap, for him to carry on his silence is unprecedented.
Where did you hear it? Unfortunately 95% of Arsenal-related forums piss me off, so I don't know if anyone has seen or heard anything.
I don't doubt he did. Something made him snap, for him to carry on his silence is unprecedented.
Where did you hear it? Unfortunately 95% of Arsenal-related forums piss me off, so I don't know if anyone has seen or heard anything.Remember months ago before it happened I told you Newton was going to get banned for cocaine? will the same lad who told me that.
Rossy Boy
10-11-2006, 11:11
I heard a rumour that he'd offered to resign. :ohmy:
he wouldnt resign from arsenal
Greenegg, you are such a whore.
Greenegg, you are such a whore.
LOL...Muad...where did that come from? Greenegg is nowhere in sight!
Mmmm....Wenger resigning...that's a worry... :no: I don't think he is THAT pissed off about things...but maybe he is just a little ashamed...it's a serious situation...but maybe he just don't want to give much back to the press this time :mellow:
Rossy Boy
11-11-2006, 00:01
hopefully he will be back to himslef soon it is unlinke him keeping himslef quiet, i wonder what actually upset him was it the fact that they scored so late and pardew was celebrating and i took it as he was saying haha in your face
hopefully he will be back to himslef soon it is unlinke him keeping himslef quiet, i wonder what actually upset him was it the fact that they scored so late and pardew was celebrating and i took it as he was saying haha in your face
We'll probably never know!! Well..as soon as the team start winning...he'll start talking good things... ;) I fancy a 3 nil drubbing of the Reds on Sunday!
I heard Almunia and Flamini are starting for us.
I can't see us winning now. Fucking hell. :(
Moved over to the Arsenal thread...
Uh..No.16 has put it in the net for us mate! lol
EDIT - Wow...now Toure our erstwhile no.5! 2-0!
Bravoboy
12-11-2006, 17:51
Gallas and Toure both scoring in one game, superb stuff.
You were always going to win, Liverpool are a fucking mess.
Well done Arsenal, you can actually kick the round yellow/blue thing, Liverpool don't have a fucking hope
Karaoke29
12-11-2006, 17:58
Well done Arsenal, entertaining, convincing and a positive result as well...
CaptainCabinet
12-11-2006, 18:01
Well done Arsenal, you can actually kick the round yellow/blue thing, Liverpool don't have a fucking hope
I think you'll find it's yellow and purple ;).
I predicted 3-0 and Toure to score, not bad :)
We'll probably never know!! Well..as soon as the team start winning...he'll start talking good things... ;) I fancy a 3 nil drubbing of the Reds on Sunday!
Great prediciton ;)
Viperized
12-11-2006, 20:25
Excellent result and a great performance.
Van Persie grabbed two assists, which isn't bad at all. Toure was fantastic, Gallas was fantastic, Hleb was fantastic and so was Fabregas. Flamini proved me wrong and it was good to see he played a good game.
Although Henry was finally running around, working his arse off, he wasn't exactly productive in attack. I blame 451 because of this. He just doesn't have the same free role as he does in 442. In 442 it seems like we have more players in attack.
Adebayor should've scored and I am unable to believe how he missed that. To be frank his finishing is piss poor.
Great prediciton ;)
Thanks mate...damn...I KNEW I should have bet....hahahah! It's always the way huh? When you get it right...you haven't done Jack...lol :realmad:
Excellent result and a great performance.
Van Persie grabbed two assists, which isn't bad at all. Toure was fantastic, Gallas was fantastic, Hleb was fantastic and so was Fabregas. Flamini proved me wrong and it was good to see he played a good game.
Although Henry was finally running around, working his arse off, he wasn't exactly productive in attack. I blame 451 because of this. He just doesn't have the same free role as he does in 442. In 442 it seems like we have more players in attack.
Adebayor should've scored and I am unable to believe how he missed that. To be frank his finishing is piss poor.
Hi Vip - I agree with the Toure, Gallas and Flamini bit...adding in the dynamic Eboue...and improving Clichy...as well as the important Invisible man Gilberto. The whole of the back 6 did well, and except for some defending on set pieces...they could not really be faulted...and for providing 3 goals!
Now with Fabregas...I think the expectation is still too high...he can't provide ALL the winning passes in every game...but I really don't think he played brilliantly yesterday....or ourstanding if you will. He played "normal" if there can be such a word for a teenager playing at the highest level! What was interesting for me...was that I found Flamini, Hleb Fabregas...all interchanging and attacking/defending/passing with very similar styles (excluding Hleb's dribbling). Really good stuff!
The midfield was certainly solid because of that (added to Gilberto)...and I think it worked TODAY...I still don't think it allows Henry to play effectively, without the support and penetration of the Ljungberg's/Bergkamps etc...the support yesterday came from...our defenders and defensive midfielders!! HA! :w00t
Your point about VP is a good one...I forgot about his assists...but I think he is getting better...and only needs to control himself a bit more...learn from Henry young Padawan...silly yellow card for that handball...and Wenger would have "gone to the centre circle to tell the ref if was handball" he said in his press conference...entirely agree! He is getting the a lot of stick though...that silly boy Carragher should have been sent off for that tackle...
All in all, an eciting reminder that...it doesn't always need to be the attackers in the limelight...this is the "Chelsea" way...and I hope they start missing Gallas!! HA! Who needs Cole with Clichy being almost a carbon copy? His mazy run was pretty good to the edge of the Liverpool box too! We definitely got the better deal...and yesterday confirmed it.
Pretty good performance, great result, thought Hleb had an excellent first half, and Toure was superb. Fabregas was only decent imo, his forward passing today was mostly wayward. Eboue was superb, just has this amazing ability to breeze past players with no effort. Van Persie was better on the left than normal, but I still feel he's being wasted.
I was a bit nervous with Almunia in goal, but fortunately Liverpool were super wank.
Canadian, Eh?
13-11-2006, 04:49
Everything seemed to be going through Hleb, which was wonderful. His change of pace, and slik passing was great.
Toure's reaction to Alonso's tackle on him. Classic!
Toure's reaction to Alonso's tackle on him. Classic!
I wouldn't really like to face Kolo in that situation!! :huh: Toure is going to be a classic Arsenal player for sure!
Was reading in the Telegrah(?)...paraphrasing here "[If James McFadden was watching....it's a shame that being lippy gets you sent off as being a cheat; but actually tackiling like a cheat (Carragher) only gets you a yellow]" Damned straight...the ref was great in terms of waving play on...but really should have punished offenders retrospectively...and punished people appropriately (Alonso didn't even get a card)...:realmad:
Stella Artois
13-11-2006, 14:57
Great performance and victory. We reduced one of the so-called "title challengers" to a single shot on-target and I felt we stopped them from playing any decent football whatsoever.
Viperized
13-11-2006, 18:31
Now if only we continue playing as well.
alpine goal
14-11-2006, 00:55
Pretty good performance, great result, thought Hleb had an excellent first half, and Toure was superb. Fabregas was only decent imo, his forward passing today was mostly wayward. Eboue was superb, just has this amazing ability to breeze past players with no effort. Van Persie was better on the left than normal, but I still feel he's being wasted.
I was a bit nervous with Almunia in goal, but fortunately Liverpool were super wank.
Sorry if this has already been posted, not sure what happended.
With you on Almunia nervous every time the ball is 60 yards for goal. Got to be the worst player we have had ( will support him he's got the shirt on ). But good win got to keep it going. Our back line when fit outstanding, got to keep them all playing.
Canadian, Eh?
14-11-2006, 03:13
Congrats to Matthew Connolly who got called up to train with the England national team. And they say we don't have English talent ;)
Congrats to Matthew Connolly who got called up to train with the England national team. And they say we don't have English talent ;)
LOL Canadian...considering he has only ever played in the Carling Cup for us...and out of position at Right back that time...it's difficult to say that's he's going to show up in the friendly or get a cap. However, I also encourage the sentiment that we DO have English players...but perhaps examples such as Muamba at Birmingham on load is a good one...I think he has English nationality too, as does Gilbert who is with Cardiff. Hoyte has been left out...but features for the under-21s a lot, and so we've got some talent coming through. We just have to have time and space to play them all...and that's the problem! :cool:
Canadian, Eh?
14-11-2006, 07:22
Also congrats to Robin Van Persie who will be father in the coming week!
Haha rolling out the odd news ;)
Viperized
14-11-2006, 08:48
LOL Canadian...considering he has only ever played in the Carling Cup for us...and out of position at Right back that time...it's difficult to say that's he's going to show up in the friendly or get a cap. However, I also encourage the sentiment that we DO have English players...but perhaps examples such as Muamba at Birmingham on load is a good one...I think he has English nationality too, as does Gilbert who is with Cardiff. Hoyte has been left out...but features for the under-21s a lot, and so we've got some talent coming through. We just have to have time and space to play them all...and that's the problem! :cool:
Hopefully Muamba will be the successor to Gilberto. He is a defensive midfielder who tackles like Vieira, and makes his presence felt in midfield.
accessgranted
14-11-2006, 14:31
Hleb, Hleb, Hleb, Hleb, Hleb, Hleb, Hleb, Hleb, Hleb, Hleb, Hleb, Hleb, Hleb!
alpine goal
14-11-2006, 21:37
Which pub do you like to vist it before home games ?
For me THE GUNNERS.
Which pub do you like to vist it before home games ?
For me THE GUNNERS.
Unfortunately...I don't ever get to games...:realmad: :no: so...my beer is in hand at home...
LOL
Congrats to VP (maybe that will have a greater effect on him and mature him faster!)...hope Lehman gets better soon (throat infection)...and Baptista comes back soon from injury...as well as Ljungberg and Lauren...it will be interesting with a FULL team to see how Wenger plays!
Canadian, Eh?
15-11-2006, 03:32
Good on Justin Hoyte for scoring tonight for the Under 21s. :)
fredimaster
15-11-2006, 04:01
yayyyyy more gunners lol, im gonna go back now and read this thread from the start 0_o
I actually went through and read the first few pages of this thread a few days ago. It's interesting to see some of the predictions and how much things have changed in just two years.
Jake Small
15-11-2006, 06:28
i think the squad is in excellent condition..ppl seem 2 b makin a meal out of us releasin/ sellin 17 players but they r not needed! robin van persie is a gr8 addition 2 the squad..i rate him so highly, under wengers guidance i genuinely think he will bcum beta than arjen robben and rafael van der vaart! lupoli is only 17 so his 1 4 the future and we have also signed manuel almunio who was outstandin last season at albacete so even tho i was very happy with the 3 gks we alredy had 9 all of them r of the highest highest quality) he seems 2 b a gud addition neway.hatem trabelsi will b a gr8 signin wen he signs l8a this week 9 if all goes 2 plan :D ) we need sum comp 4 lauren at rite bk until justin hoyte has enuf experience and maturity 2 take ova and bcum 1 of the top rite bks in european football!!
b4 ppl slag off our squad sayin its 'weak' and 'understrength' and all that crap they need 2 check out our squad and c wot talent we have in there..without
bein biased we have far and away the best squad in the country so everythin is jooly gud from where im sittin lol :D
:blink:
pistolpete
15-11-2006, 10:22
i know its been mentioned but how good was clichy against liverpool, actually ive not seen this guy have a bad game and have thought since it looked like cole was leaving that he would be a more than capable replacement.
Also the way cole spoke after the chelsea spurs game saying Poll was against us just because were chelsea was laughable, Gael goas about his work in a quiet and committed way.
I think he is very close behind cole as the best left back in the league.
Heres hoping he's in the team for a long time.
Stella Artois
15-11-2006, 10:26
It's just a shame Chelsea don't come here - unless we get them in a cup - until May.
I'll do anything to get a ticket. The level of abuse that guy gets should be unheard of.
Fucking cunt.
pistolpete
15-11-2006, 10:45
its nice that weve now got 60,000 plus to give him abuse rather than 38,000!
Does anyone know the actual capacity for emirates?
i thought it was 60,000 but we had more than that for the liverpool game.
Take it easy on us on Saturday. :(
Stella Artois
15-11-2006, 10:50
We're away from home, chances are we'll lose 1-0. :laugh:
its nice that weve now got 60,000 plus to give him abuse rather than 38,000!
Does anyone know the actual capacity for emirates?
i thought it was 60,000 but we had more than that for the liverpool game.
It's more than 60,000. It sounds better to say 60,102 as opposed to 59,967...at least I think so.
pistolpete
15-11-2006, 10:58
yeah youre right, maybe because it was the scousers we needed more police, stewards & bartenders!
Id take 1-0 on Sat,
Hopefully we'l score more - surely we cant fail to beat them with their defence.
We're away from home, chances are we'll lose 1-0. :laugh:It's at Ze Emirates on Saturday mate.
Stella Artois
15-11-2006, 11:06
Haha, what a prat I've made of myself. :<
Seem to remember reading it was away, oh well.
Anyway, I still think it is down to who scores first. We seem to struggle badly against sides who take the lead first unfortunately.
Hopefully Bramble starts.
Ronaldo_is_fat
15-11-2006, 12:21
Anyway, I still think it is down to who scores first. We seem to struggle badly against sides who take the lead first unfortunately.
Yup, I think mentallity really put us down in that one.
Hopefully Bramble starts.
Ooooh...that was a low blow...Jonny didn't deserve that! :unsure:
Given is out...and none of their forwards are fired up...especially Luque....I do hope we have a solid game...My prediction...a lowly 2-0 this time...to the gunners of course!
Ooooh...that was a low blow...Jonny didn't deserve that! :unsure:
Given is out...and none of their forwards are fired up...especially Luque....I do hope we have a solid game...My prediction...a lowly 2-0 this time...to the gunners of course!Harper has proved what a good keeper he is once again during Given's absence, we haven't missed Shay at all.
Stella Artois
15-11-2006, 14:37
Provided he has the right footwear on of course. ;)
mufcsean
15-11-2006, 14:41
3-0 to the gunners, newcastle are in dreadful form and Arsenal will be in fine form after their win against Liverpool, thats if nobody gets injured in tonights internationals
Billy Minof
15-11-2006, 14:42
I thougth Given was back, he is playing for the Republic tonight...
northlondon
15-11-2006, 15:53
We are gonna take newcastle out.
4-0 at home easily
henry will score 2, cesc will score 1, and VanPersie will score a free kick
how about that for a prediction
Viperized
15-11-2006, 15:55
I think this should be an easy win against the worst Premiership defence.
3-0 to Arsenal.
northlondon
15-11-2006, 16:00
where are newcastle in the league?
17th?........
northlondon
15-11-2006, 16:02
where are newcastle in the league?
17th?...
I think this should be an easy win against the worst Premiership defence.
Spouting shite there like. :rolleyes:
We should dispose of Newcastle easily. There defence is a joke and in general they're incompetent. Hopefully we won't get complacent and we'll make sure we win the match.
alpine goal
15-11-2006, 16:36
its nice that weve now got 60,000 plus to give him abuse rather than 38,000!
Does anyone know the actual capacity for emirates?
i thought it was 60,000 but we had more than that for the liverpool game.
60432 capacity, but I think we should of had a bigger ground as its still hard to get a ticket. But Cashley Cole will get it for sure !
alpine goal
15-11-2006, 16:54
Take it easy on us on Saturday. :(
Got feeling we may hammer you on Saturday (sorry) if we play as good as we can. 5-0 for me. Don't get me wrong I do like the club. Great fans and the best away ground I've been to in England. Hope you do well for the season but not on Saturday.
Viperized
15-11-2006, 17:01
Spouting shite there like. :rolleyes:
How about one of the worst?
How about one of the worst?Still a better one than Liverpool's though.
Canadian, Eh?
15-11-2006, 18:07
Haha.
I could see just a 1-0 or something like that. Bigger fish to fry on the Tuesday against Hamburg.
Yikes then Bolton away.....
alpine goal
15-11-2006, 21:50
Haha.
I could see just a 1-0 or something like that. Bigger fish to fry on the Tuesday against Hamburg.
Yikes then Bolton away.....
Bolton away not been great there but we got to get a win if we want to fight for the title in May. But I can still see us winning big Saturday and Tuesday. Hamburg not a good side............... famous last words
I disagree with the posts that say arsenal will beat new castel easily, the game will be much trickier than we think "remember west ham"?! The way i see it is the earlier we score the better cuse if we score first there is no stopping us ..
Dragonfly
15-11-2006, 22:19
I disagree with the posts that say arsenal will beat new castel easily, the game will be much trickier than we think "remember west ham"?! The way i see it is the earlier we score the better cuse if we score first there is no stopping us ..
Yeah, I'd have to echo that.
Scarface
15-11-2006, 23:01
I don't think it will be an easy victory, but i'd just be glad if Shay Given misses the game. He's kept Newcastle in so many games against us, single handedly.
Having just checked ESPN Soccernet, he started tonight for Rep Of Ireland :\
Given doesn't deserve to just waltz back in the team in my eyes despite his obvious World Class abilities, Harper has played well and Given should have to earn his way back into the team.
Viperized
15-11-2006, 23:08
Haha.
I could see just a 1-0 or something like that. Bigger fish to fry on the Tuesday against Hamburg.
Yikes then Bolton away.....
Hopefully Baptista will return soon. I'd like to see him get a game against Hamburg, and then perhaps start against Bolton.
Canadian, Eh?
15-11-2006, 23:22
Just coming back from injury and you make him play 2 in one week, ouchy! :p
martin_cranie
16-11-2006, 00:04
I've been thinking a bit about our upcoming keeper problem. Lehmann won't last too much longer, and as gooder cover as Almunia and Poom may provide, I don't want either of them to take over as first choice.
In terms of replacements, the obvious name to mention would be Buffon, but I get the feeling that Juve will keep hold of him. Here's a short list of quality, realistic, alternatives off the top of my head: Given, Akinfeev, Frey, Hildebrand.
My preference would probably be Akinfeev, as he's shown over the last 3 seasons at CSKA that he's arguably the best young keeper in the world. Plenty of experience at almost every level of the game, and at 20, he's only going to get better.
I believe this guy will be one of the best keepers around in a couple of years - he's already fantastic now - so I'm hoping that Wenger made good use of our games against CSKA recently.
What do the rest of you guys think about possible replacements?
Scarface
16-11-2006, 00:11
I'd be happy with any of those you mentioned.
Morgan De Sanctis is another possibility, and i've heard his name linked on more than one occasion.
I would have said Mikael Landreau was a realistic candidate, however after joining PSG this summer, it could prove more difficult.
In the end, I think Wenger will opt for Le Mans goalkeeper, Yohann Pele, who has been continously linked and supposedly scouted by both Gilles Grimandi and Martin Keown.
martin_cranie
16-11-2006, 00:16
Ah yes, I forgot about Pele. I know nothing of him except he's great on PES. I've heard/read mixed opinions of De Sanctis, and I've seen little if anything of him, so again I can't really comment.
I'm going to be Mr. Ignorant and stay firmly in the Akinfeev camp.
Viperized
16-11-2006, 00:16
Just coming back from injury and you make him play 2 in one week, ouchy! :p
I didn't mean it like that D:
What I meant was that I hope he would get a good 20 or 30 minutes against Hamburg.
Scarface
16-11-2006, 00:20
I'm going to be Mr. Ignorant and stay firmly in the Akinfeev camp.
He'd be a smart signing, in more ways than one.
I also rate the guy highly. Very agile, great reflexes and a brilliant shot stopper. A couple of years ago, I felt he was too cocky and sure of himself, but he's improving all the time, which is quite scary given how talented he already is, and as he matures, he can surely only improve.
I doubt he'll come cheap, though. I expect CSKA will set a very high asking price.
Viperized
16-11-2006, 00:24
Akinfeev does look like an impressive keeper. He was great in both games against us in the Champions League, but I've not seen him play on other occasions. He sounds like a good keeper though.
Hildebrand was playing very impressive last year and I would've loved to sign him along with Hleb. I still hope Wenger is considering him as he is a rather young keeper who could stay with us for a good 9 or 10 years. I think he is 24?
Given would be a fantastic replacement and is definitely a world-class keeper. Whats more is that he is proven in the Premiership and will obviously have no problems 'settling in'. But we've never been linked with him. He would certainly be my first choice though.
Scarface
16-11-2006, 00:41
Hildebrand's 27 now, but it's about time he joined a top European club.
Hildebrand is reportedly being targeted by Bayern Munich and Arsenal, who view the 27-year-old German shot-stopper as the ideal understudy to their ageing goalkeepers (Oliver Kahn and Jens Lehmann respectively).
I haven't heard any rumours of Hildebrand for at least 12 months now, but that can be a good thing when it concerns transfers with Arsenal, of course.
I've not been following the Bundesliga this season, so i'm unaware of how he's been performing, but I rate him very highly, as i've said in this thread too many times.
Canadian, Eh?
16-11-2006, 00:56
I can't see Akinfeev wanting to leave with all the oil money available for him in Russia...I would assume we would have a better chance at getting one out of France.
martin_cranie
16-11-2006, 01:24
I think if Bayern go for Hildebrand, they'll almost certainly get him. The chance to take over the number one jersey of the most historic club in your nations history, in an incredible new stadium would probably be too much to turn down. Not to mention he'll most likely be first choice for the national team, and staying in the Bundesliga in direct competition with other German keepers may well be an advantage to him.
A French keeper probably would be easiest to get on the face of it, but that's not necessarily a good thing. We shouldn't be looking for the easy signings if there are better to be made, albeit with a bit more of a struggle.
Akinfeev may be tempted to stay in Russia but aside from the money, what else does the Russian league really offer? His profile and competitive opportunities would increase exponentially if he moved to one of the big three leagues.
I'm all for saving money where possible but I think I'd be happy if Wenger went the extra mile to get the best there is (or will be).
Given has a signed a long term deal with Newcastle...so in reality we would never get him. He's also very loyal to Newcastle and so give him some credit.
Akinfeev was great in the two games against us...I too haven't seen too much of Pele...and I do wonder how Mannone and Butcher develop. We don't get much luck with our young keepers making the grade....either injury or wanting to go elsewhere or doing something silly (Stack/Jordan etc)...
I would go for Frey...but it's not easy to pry him away. Akinfeev sounds like the one who can match Casillas in terms of world class young keeping.
Some interesting news ahead of the weekend...Newcastle has only 3 defenders fit for action according to the Sun...
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2006530229,00.html
It's not going to be an easy game if Given plays...he just is a nightmare to play against...for Arsenal...but I'll stick with my 2-0 win for the Gunners.
Arsenal linked with Lyon swoop
16-11-2006 09:38
Arsenal have been credited with an interest in Lyon's French international left-back Eric Abidal, with the player unsure of his future.
Abidal has helped OL to continue their domestic dominance, and was part of the French side that reached this year's World Cup final.
The Ligue 1 champions have offered Abidal a new deal, but the player told AFP he is not certain to stay at the Stade Gerland:
"I haven taken any decision about my future for the moment. I have met with the coach and the chairman. It was an interesting talk.
"They want to propose me a contract extension. I'm not ruling out this offer. I know a number of foreign clubs are following me. I don't have a specific country that I want to play in.
"I am waiting for concrete moves because for the moment I haven't received offers. I am waiting for one from Lyon. For the moment I don't know if I want to leave or stay. I will have to make a choice. I just hope I will make a good one."
Arsenal are thought to be keen to add a quality left-back to their squad to provide cover and competition for the injury-prone Gael Clichy, and Abidal would doubtless be an excellent recruit.
From the reputable Clubcall site...and various others...hopefully this IS NOT true...I thought Abidal played pretty badly in the World Cup. Traore should be given a chance instead and we always have cover in terms of Gallas/Hoyte/Flamini in emergencies... ;)
pistolpete
17-11-2006, 10:38
Hildebrand would be my 1st choice but nobody mentioned Craig Gordon from Hearts yet, didnt Wenger say that he's got a big future and could play at the highes level after he kept France at bay for Scotland?
Quite rare for Wenger to give individual praise to a player other than our own.
Stella Artois
17-11-2006, 11:14
I agree about Abidal, Nturtle. No thanks.
Anyway, I hope whatever problems Gilberto is experiencing in his personal life quickly disappear. It's a shame he won't be playing tomorrow, he's extremely underrated in my view.
As for the French match, well, what a cunt Domenech is.
whats wrong with gilberto stella?
Stella Artois
17-11-2006, 12:20
He has family problems back in Brazil. I don't know exactly.
He has family problems back in Brazil. I don't know exactly.
How long is he out for?
Dragonfly
17-11-2006, 16:47
Anyway, I hope whatever problems Gilberto is experiencing in his personal life quickly disappear. It's a shame he won't be playing tomorrow, he's extremely underrated in my view.
I totally agree with that. He's an indispensible part of our team, and I hope his problems get sorted, not only because I want him to play for us, but he seems like a nice bloke, and I hate it when bad things happen to good people.
Canadian, Eh?
17-11-2006, 16:49
As for the French match, well, what a cunt Domenech is.
What did he do now?
And that sucks that Gilberto is out.
Stella Artois
17-11-2006, 17:30
Played Henry and Gallas for the whole match whilst substituting every Premiership player after 45 minutes.
Billy Minof
17-11-2006, 17:32
Well Freddie is back as is Baptista, maybe this is his chance to shine and prove himself for Arsenal. :)
Stella Artois
17-11-2006, 17:41
Indeed, thank God we got rid of the cry baby!
Anyway, I predict we'll win 2-0 tomorrow...
Scarface
17-11-2006, 20:16
Eric Abidal would be a poor signing. What would honestly be the point when we already have Gael Clichy? In a couple of years, I expect Clichy to be better than Abidal ever was. Not to say Abidal is a poor left back, but Clichy is already showing how talented he is, and will make the left back position his own. For what he'd cost, it'd be a complete waste. Can't see Wenger being interested, in any case.
Canadian, Eh?
17-11-2006, 20:18
If you give Clichy a couple years he could be better than Ashley Cole ever was, let alone Abidal.
Not to mention Traore in the wings.
i think clichy still has a point to prove. i mean i cant remember seeing him play more than 3 games without getting injured or replaced by cole - when he was the #1 left back for arsenal - thats why i think we should sign a left back, maybe not abidal he's not so special. Anyway arsen will not sign anyone at the moment especially in january he talked about that. if he buys though, then i think it will be a very big surprise signing (remember reyes, when he signed for us in january?) ..
Viperized
17-11-2006, 23:08
I'm sure that article about Abidal is a load of bollocks. I'm Wenger has no reason to buy another fullback seeing as Clichy is now fully fit. Moreover Clichy is a class talent and has the potential to become one of the best left backs in the world . He is only 21 but he looks fantastic both defensively and offensively. Clichy has looked like the better left back to me this season in comparison to Abidal's world cup performances.
Hildebrand would be my 1st choice but nobody mentioned Craig Gordon from Hearts yet, didnt Wenger say that he's got a big future and could play at the highes level after he kept France at bay for Scotland?
Quite rare for Wenger to give individual praise to a player other than our own.
Indeed Pistol Pete...but...maybe the cost would be too high compared to a continental European player even...don't know. Complimenting a player doesn't mean we will buy.
The big news is that Henry might be rested for the match..given his exertions. I think it might be right...and I would rest Gallas also..and perhaps give the swiss duo a go.
VP or adebayour up front...or possibly even baptista if needed...or Aliadiere...still very good and close to Henry in style. Will be interesting to see what the boss will do. Toure / Eboue also played against Brazil....don't know how fit they are...anybody know if denilson actually played? Doesn't sound like it...no press on that game really.
Viperized
18-11-2006, 10:25
I'd play this team against Newcastle, given our options. Seeing as we're obviously going to use 451 I might as well pick the team based on that formation.
..............Lehmann......... ...
Eboue...Toure..Gallas..Clichy
...............Song........... ......
.......Cesc.......Baptista.... ...
Hleb.....................Van Persie
...........Henry/Ade..............
According to Wenger, Baptista has been training hard for 5 weeks and looks very sharp. I'd love for him to get a game. And yes, I've put Song in here because he has ball winning capabilities. Flamini will get a yellow card when tackling.
I'd play this team against Newcastle, given our options. Seeing as we're obviously going to use 451 I might as well pick the team based on that formation.
..............Lehmann......... ...
Eboue...Toure..Gallas..Clichy
...............Song........... ......
.......Cesc.......Baptista.... ...
Hleb.....................Van Persie
...........Henry/Ade..............
According to Wenger, Baptista has been training hard for 5 weeks and looks very sharp. I'd love for him to get a game. And yes, I've put Song in here because he has ball winning capabilities. Flamini will get a yellow card when tackling.
Would you not put Denilson in for Song Viperised? I must admit...I have not seen the brazilian play...let's see how it works out... I would rest Gallas to be honest...but Arsene does like stability.
Guillermo
18-11-2006, 13:39
I'm Wenger
:huh: The truth is out.
Canadian, Eh?
18-11-2006, 15:21
Baptista looks quite promising in the early going.
Unfrigging-believable...Newcastle one up due to Eboue not cutting out a booted ball on the break...11 shots to....1....far out..
EDIT - Henry on for VP...second half.
Ah shit...Given on form for an amazing save from Adebayour!
Suspected broken foot for Van Persie.
Suspected broken foot for Van Persie.
Well....you guys have the luck Jonny....damn crappy luck for VP :realmad:
Viperized
18-11-2006, 16:19
Damn.. 1-0.
Expect Newcastle to defend with 10 men behind the ball.
:huh: The truth is out.
o rly?
Man....Given...another great save from Cesc at 6 yards out...sheesh...
EDIT - we should friggin learn to cross properly....1/10 for effectiveness so far...crap!
Damn.. 1-0.
Expect Newcastle to defend with 10 men behind the ball.
o rly?We're getting battered but look dangerous when Martins and Dyer get the ball and are running with it.
2nd half's been class, end to end stuff.
*Martins skinned Clichy twice now with that little dragback.*
Class free-kick from Henry. :(
YES!!! Henry! Well....can't do much about that Jonny.
EDIT: Mmmm...bad action going into Craig Moore by Cesc....but he WAS going for the ball...too bad he got a knee!
Horrible horrible tackle from Fabregas.
Horrible horrible tackle from Fabregas.
Agree....and quite possibly....Newcastle has used up a years worth of lucky bounces...at BOTH ends! :realmad:
EDIT: Let me add lucky deflections to that list!
Ah well....what can you do...well done Given...
vanNistelrooy
18-11-2006, 16:59
So should Fabregas have been sent off?
martin_cranie
18-11-2006, 17:04
ARSENAL - NEWCASTLE
Possession
60% 40%
Shots on target
11 1
Shots off target
13 1
Corners
11 1
Fouls
10 9
LOL.
Charlie: 9
18-11-2006, 17:07
ARSENAL - NEWCASTLE
Possession
60% 40%
Shots on target
11 1
Shots off target
13 1
Corners
11 1
Fouls
10 9
LOL.
I said to a mate earlier that I had a feeling that this was going to be a draw. He backed Arsenal and they let him down on his bet...
So should Fabregas have been sent off?Yup.
Fantastic performance though from Arsenal once again, we were lucky as fuck I won't deny it, Shay Given is the best Shot Stopper in the Premiership quite comfortably, not the best keeper as his distribution, kicking and commanding are shite but he was awesome today.
greenegg
18-11-2006, 17:13
Yup.
Fantastic performance though from Arsenal once again, we were lucky as fuck I won't deny it, Shay Given is the best Shot Stopper in the Premiership quite comfortably, not the best keeper as his distribution, kicking and commanding are shite but he was awesome today.
Fantastic post and good to see some truth, I wish more were like you. We all have bias but sometimes it doesn't do any harm to admit the truths.
Henry's freekick was awesome
:realmad: Shit! Shit! Shit! :realmad: :realmad: :realmad:
Canadian, Eh?
18-11-2006, 19:58
The finishing for us was on, but the Goal Keeping was out this world by Given.
When Henry go on that favourite left side, when he likes to curl in it the back corner, and Given saved...very very few keeps make that save.
Henry looked the best I have seen him since CSKA.
I have no complaints we played very well.
Referee was a disgrace today may I add.
Canadian, Eh?
18-11-2006, 20:05
I also do believe that was Henry's first score off a free kick since last year at Wigan
we are only 2 points better off than the same time last season .. iam afraid if we dont learn from our mistakes pretty soon we'll be out of the title race .. even b4 we lost it last year .. we have to improve .. i really have no idea where exactly but something is not right .. 4 draws in 7 home games, all with identical scenarios .. am i the only one here feeling worried?! :erm:
Scarface
18-11-2006, 20:32
Well, I believe it will improve. Our fortunes should change (to an extent), but our poor finishing has gone on for too long. I don't consider ourselves title challengers this year. While it's not completely unachievable to turn around a 12 point gap with a game in hand, given how much of the season remains, I don't see who's going to step up to the plate and score the goals for us this season.
In the recent past, we've had Robert Pires, Freddie Ljungberg, Jose Reyes and Dennis Bergkamp all there to chip in with goals when Henry isn't on form, but who is there now? Van Persie is probably capable of 10-13 (if he's had a great season), Rosicky and Fabregas perhaps 5, but what is there after that?
This might sound like a strange scenario, but who would you look at in the Arsenal squad, and think "yeah, he's gonna score" when clean through on goal? For me, it's only ever Thierry. The rest are nowhere near clinical enough. Now compare that with Chelsea and Man Utd, and there's about half a dozen from each team i'd expect to score in the same situation. They are far more ruthless, and if they'd have created the chances we have over the past month or so, god only knows the amount of thrashings they'd have dealt out.
wrigh2uk
18-11-2006, 20:47
Well, I believe it will improve. Our fortunes should change (to an extent), but our poor finishing has gone on for too long. I don't consider ourselves title challengers this year. While it's not completely unachievable to turn around a 12 point gap with a game in hand, given how much of the season remains, I don't see who's going to step up to the plate and score the goals for us this season.
In the recent past, we've had Robert Pires, Freddie Ljungberg, Jose Reyes and Dennis Bergkamp all there to chip in with goals when Henry isn't on form, but who is there now? Van Persie is probably capable of 10-13 (if he's had a great season), Rosicky and Fabregas perhaps 5, but what is there after that?
This might sound like a strange scenario, but who would you look at in the Arsenal squad, and think "yeah, he's gonna score" when clean through on goal? For me, it's only ever Thierry. The rest are nowhere near clinical enough. Now compare that with Chelsea and Man Utd, and there's about half a dozen from each team i'd expect to score in the same situation. They are far more ruthless, and if they'd have created the chances we have over the past month or so, god only knows the amount of thrashings they'd have dealt out.
Thats alot of sense your talking there mate. The golden arsenal generation has left. Its like were soo techincal that we've forgot the most important thing of how to score goals.
Even bring back wiltord, time for us to invest in some goal scoring midfielders
Viperized
18-11-2006, 20:55
Martins was excellent and went past Clichy with ease on many occasions. He was a real threat. Given looked superb and is the best goalkeeper in the Premiership and denied us from scoring many times. Given would be my first choice to replace Lehmann, but this seems like an unlikely event.
We create far too many chances we simply do not finish them. Adebayor has shown today he has no finishing ability, and zero composure. His missed chance against Liverpool was very disappointing [ignore the 3-0 lead. A chance is a chance indicates how clinical the striker is] an has again shown he is a woeful finisher. He should not be anything other than a backup player if he doesn't improve his finishing. Van Persie played fairly well but its a shame he got injured. 451 formation is useless against defensive teams. I'm not sure why 451 is supposed to balance out the gap between the attacking and defending attributes of the team. Hleb, Rosicky and Fabregas CAN defend. Hleb was our best player today and he was doing everything. He was defending, attacking, creating... everything. Rosicky has a fantastic work rate and isn't afraid to tackle. Surprisingly, he is a decent ball winner. Fabregas also gets stuck in to win the ball. Henry drops far too deep in 451 and Van Persie's talent is being wasted at the left.
I have no doubt if we played 442, we may have seen a different season. i.e. better results. I'm expecting a re-run of the disappointing 05/06 season to be honest. We simply do not finish our chances. We completely dominate teams yet we don't score.
In attack, this is how our players roughly line-up on the pitch from what I've seen. Yes, I'm aware the diagrams are rather poor, but I hope you understand what I'm talking about.
451:
Van Persie........................ .........................Eboue
........|_____________________ __________|
Clichy......Rosicky ...Henry ......Fabregas.........Hleb
442:
............Henry............. ........Van Persie.......Eboue
Clichy.....|__________________ ________|
..............Rosicky........F abregas.............Hleb
Doesn't 442 look more useful given their are more options ahead of our creative players? In 451 we are relying on our midfielders to get in the box, and we are relying our midfielders to score. No longer Henry's role is to be the goal scoring machine he is.
In 442 we always look for our strikers. But now our game is based on our creative midfielders. Why the hell can't we play Rosicky, Hleb and Fabregas in 442? Don't give me the 'our players are too lightweight or are too attacking to play in 442' bollocks. Rosicky plays in central midfield for Czech Republic and he is more than fine there. Fabregas has played brilliant in 442 during 04/05 when Vieira was injured. We were hammering teams during that period. Fabregas and Flamini played in a 442 formation against Chelsea and we got a 2-2 draw. That isn't a bad result, no?
451 is simply useless against defensive teams. It can work well, but only against teams who give us the space to attack. This is why it has worked well in the Champions League - the pace of the game is far slower and space is given.
Amazingly, we continue to use 451 when we don't have the right type of players.
man u came back to score 2 goals after being 1 down today. i think u're right reyes they have far better finishing than us. quality wise however, i dont think any premiership team has better technical skill than arsenal. we just need players that score. perhaps we shoudn't have let pires go and freddie is not that goal scoring midfielder he used to be. but we have to move on and change our style of play to better suit our current players abilities. hopefully AW will figure it out soon.
as for the tiltle challange i dont think we are ready to win it just yet. i just want us to go as far as possible and finish the season on a high. look at man u and how they finished strong last season. it really affected their players belief now they are serious contenders.
Viperized
18-11-2006, 21:01
Well, I believe it will improve. Our fortunes should change (to an extent), but our poor finishing has gone on for too long. I don't consider ourselves title challengers this year. While it's not completely unachievable to turn around a 12 point gap with a game in hand, given how much of the season remains, I don't see who's going to step up to the plate and score the goals for us this season.
In the recent past, we've had Robert Pires, Freddie Ljungberg, Jose Reyes and Dennis Bergkamp all there to chip in with goals when Henry isn't on form, but who is there now? Van Persie is probably capable of 10-13 (if he's had a great season), Rosicky and Fabregas perhaps 5, but what is there after that?
This might sound like a strange scenario, but who would you look at in the Arsenal squad, and think "yeah, he's gonna score" when clean through on goal? For me, it's only ever Thierry. The rest are nowhere near clinical enough. Now compare that with Chelsea and Man Utd, and there's about half a dozen from each team i'd expect to score in the same situation. They are far more ruthless, and if they'd have created the chances we have over the past month or so, god only knows the amount of thrashings they'd have dealt out.
Indeed. But I would add Van Persie, Rosicky and Baptista to the clinical finishers list. Everyone else could not shoot for if their life depended on it - except Toure perhaps; he has a rocket of a shot on him, literally.
In my opinion, the worst finisher in the squad is Adebayor. He has shown today he has zero composure in front of goal. I'm sure any other player in our team would've converted his chances. Honestly... he is an awful finisher.
Scarface
18-11-2006, 21:13
quality wise however, i dont think any premiership team has better technical skill than arsenal.
You're right. Our standard of football is outstanding, but that's not enough to win the title in the modern game, unfortunately.
Viperized
18-11-2006, 21:21
Clinical finishing has cost us many games this season.
If we are going to continue playing 451 I would sell Adebayor and buy Huntelaar ASAP. He is a simply awesome finisher. I would shift Henry to the left (giving him a free role) and put Huntelaar up front. It shouldn't affect Henry's game as he usually moves out to the left in 442 anyway.
But the quicker fix is to switch to 442, and we have the right type of players for the formation too!
vanNistelrooy
18-11-2006, 23:23
MoTD didn't show the Fabregas challenge on Moore, probably scared of showing the "wonderkid" in bad light. Does anyone have a video of it? Please don't say it's that little scuffle they had off the pitch, with the handbags and sort.
Hey guys
Im not buying this "Given had an amazing game" bullshit....
He's like the 3rd or 4th keeper thats been "amazing", its just plain poor finishing!
Alot of the shots Henry had parried would have been followed in by Pires back in the day, were not physical or clinical enough.
We will do okay in the premiership, but forget about winning it..
Canadian, Eh?
19-11-2006, 01:08
Clinical finishing has cost us many games this season.
If we are going to continue playing 451 I would sell Adebayor and buy Huntelaar ASAP. He is a simply awesome finisher. I would shift Henry to the left (giving him a free role) and put Huntelaar up front. It shouldn't affect Henry's game as he usually moves out to the left in 442 anyway.
But the quicker fix is to switch to 442, and we have the right type of players for the formation too!
I am sorry I do not understand how 4-4-2 makes us achieve what I think the consesus is of bad finishing.
We played a 4-5-1 with basically two strikers, Van Persie just on the wings. So by moving him up front, we finish better?
Martins was excellent and went past Clichy with ease on many occasions. He was a real threat. Given looked superb and is the best goalkeeper in the Premiership and denied us from scoring many times. Given would be my first choice to replace Lehmann, but this seems like an unlikely event.
As I've said he's the best shot stopper in the Premiership but not the best goalkeeper as his distribution and commanding of his box is poor.
Viperized
19-11-2006, 10:48
I am sorry I do not understand how 4-4-2 makes us achieve what I think the consesus is of bad finishing.
We played a 4-5-1 with basically two strikers, Van Persie just on the wings. So by moving him up front, we finish better?
With 442, we'll have two strikers upfront. This will help Fabregas has he has more options to pass ahead of him. In 451 he always seems to pass the ball to Hleb instead. Also, Van Persie being isolated on the left wing isn't going to help him at all and Henry's role in 451 is to play as a target man. He is NO longer the real source of our goals. In 451, we are relying our midfielders to score, hence the reason why Henry hasn't scored as many goals. In 442 we always look out for our strikers. Henry is dropping far too deep in 451 too. In 442 he has more freedom. I'm convinced better performances would happen from our strikers if we played 442.
Playing Van Persie on the left is just as bad as playing Fabregas wide right. Playing Henry as a target man is just as bad as playing Gilberto as a striker.
Hey guys
Im not buying this "Given had an amazing game" bullshit....
He's like the 3rd or 4th keeper thats been "amazing", its just plain poor finishing!
Alot of the shots Henry had parried would have been followed in by Pires back in the day, were not physical or clinical enough.
We will do okay in the premiership, but forget about winning it..
Read a few more of the posts mate...and watch the game again...a one handed save from cesc....point blank from Adebayour...these Arsenal players are TRYING...Given is doing SOMETHING in most cases...11 shots on target...that should yield a few more goals I agree...but Given always ups his game against us.
All in all...we didn't play that badly...just yet another defensive error at the back....grrr.... :no: :realmad: :huh: :angry:
vanNistelrooy
19-11-2006, 11:47
just yet another defensive error at the back....grrr.... :no: :realmad: :huh: :angry:
I really don't know what you're mad about. You didn't have Keith Fucking Gillespie score past you did ya!? Then again, you did have a crippled, money grabbing waste of space score past you, so I kinda see where you're coming from :tongue:
I really don't know what you're mad about. You didn't have Keith Fucking Gillespie score past you did ya!? Then again, you did have a crippled, money grabbing waste of space score past you, so I kinda see where you're coming from :tongue:The fucker was giving me grief at work on Thursday for them beating us the other week the twat!
People have forgotten how strong Pires used to be....
And his off the ball movement was fantastic!
I think we need to play Baptista as a second-striker or in the Pires position.
Karaoke29
19-11-2006, 13:11
Roeder: Arsenal boss Wenger best talent spotter in Premiership
Newcastle United boss Glenn Roeder rates Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger as the best talent spotter in the Premiership.
Ahead of yesterday's 1-1 draw with the Gunners, Roeder said: "I've been up against Arsene on a number of occasions and what I admire about him so much is his ability to recruit.
"His recruitment is undoubtedly the best in the country by a long way.
"Arsene has got this fantastic ability to unearth players none of us have heard of, pay little money for them and 18 months later they're household names.
"That is the hardest part of being a top manager. Anyone can buy a top international because you know what he's already achieved.
"When he was at Monaco he discovered George Weah. If I asked you who was Liberia's best player I think you'd all get that easily. If I asked you who was the second best, you'd be struggling."
He went on: "Arsene certainly looks for a certain type of player.
"The game's gone athletic and Arsene Wenger started that when he started buying players like Patrick Vieira, Thierry Henry and Marc Overmars.
"If you look at his current squad, the first requirement seems to be the size and athleticism of the young players, allied to football ability.
"He's the top man on that score and a fantastic man manager."
Source: http://www.tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=18714
Scarface
19-11-2006, 13:18
Hey guys
Im not buying this "Given had an amazing game" bullshit....
He's like the 3rd or 4th keeper thats been "amazing", its just plain poor finishing!
Alot of the shots Henry had parried would have been followed in by Pires back in the day, were not physical or clinical enough.
We will do okay in the premiership, but forget about winning it..
I agree with you to a certain extent, but judging from the highlights, Shay Given was very good yesterday. I haven't seen the game in full to see how he performed, but we had some good efforts on goal, which Given did exceptionally well to keep out.
However, many other 'keepers performances in the past season and a half against us have certainly been hyped up, when it was our finishing that was the real problem, not facing an unbeatable goalkeeper, so I can see what you're saying.
Viperized
19-11-2006, 14:06
Some of the shots we had were just destined to fly in the back of the net.
Somehow, Given stopped those shots.
Dragonfly
19-11-2006, 14:17
I feel we need players with fiercer shots. We had enough shots on target to piss on Newcastle, but if the balls are gonna hit the keeper, then at least if we had someone (or some more players) who can consistently smash the ball at goal, there could be more chances of us picking up rebounds etc. I know we have VP, Rosicky and Henry has a powerful shot, but they don't use it that much. Maybe it's just not our style.
Viperized
19-11-2006, 14:31
The only