Arsenal

[Viperized]

Thankfully we have adequate backup in Senderos and Djourou, so we shouldn't miss Gallas too much.

[ATH10]

How long is Gallas out for?

[Rossy Boy]

a few weeks

[wrigh2uk]

^ 7 weeks skysports said

[Scarface]

It's a big blow. Seems a certainty he'll miss the clash at Stamford Bridge, which is a considerable loss. Hopefully Kolo Toure will help Philippe Senderos (who I expect to start, providing he's fit) through his duel with Drogba.

[Rossy Boy]

^ 7 weeks skysports said

on arsenal.com it said a few weeks :unsure:

[Strawberry Jam]

BBC says a few as well

[Dragonfly]

Do we any more quality young defenders, mainly CBs, in the reserves? Because, I get anxious when I see Djourou in our back 4. I'm sure he'll grwo up to become an accomplished defender, but he'll make mistakes. I don't feel too worried about Sanderos anymore, except when he has the ball. I'm sure I'll feel more relaxed about Djourou.

[Scarface]

Do we any more quality young defenders, mainly CBs, in the reserves? Because, I get anxious when I see Djourou in our back 4. I'm sure he'll grwo up to become an accomplished defender, but he'll make mistakes. I don't feel too worried about Sanderos anymore, except when he has the ball. I'm sure I'll feel more relaxed about Djourou.

There's young Matthew Connolly, the reserves captain, who's highly rated by many.

I liked Ryan Garry. It's a shame he's had setbacks with injuries, but hopefully he'll get his chance to break through.

[Viperized]

Do we any more quality young defenders, mainly CBs, in the reserves? Because, I get anxious when I see Djourou in our back 4. I'm sure he'll grwo up to become an accomplished defender, but he'll make mistakes. I don't feel too worried about Sanderos anymore, except when he has the ball. I'm sure I'll feel more relaxed about Djourou.
Really?

Djourou has excelled whenever he has played this season, despite his individual error against Boro. He was fantastic against Manchester United. Still, Senderos is a decent defender and its no fluke to achieve a record-breaking number of clean sheets for 10 game, and Toure and Senderos were a big reason why we hold this record.

[Canadian, Eh?]

That sucks...Gallas is steady, steady, steady. Senderos vs. Drogba....I don't like that.

[Nturtle]

That sucks...Gallas is steady, steady, steady. Senderos vs. Drogba....I don't like that.

Brings back memories hey? Damn...I would have enjoyed Gallas steadying the ship against Chelsea...but well...introduce the young ones into the line of fire early...not a bad way to do it.

Connolly is highly rated...having been given the captain's armband for the reserves this season as Reyes says. I reckon he will be a Tony Adams type of guy...with good leadership...AND he is English...so...not a bad place to start.

Hamburg is a big game before the boltons and Chelsea games...so let's do well in that first. The opposition have a host of injuries...so no Vincent Kompany etc Sorin etc. Hopefully we do better and knock a few past them...and Porto to beat CSKA! ;)

[Jake Small]

Any word on Van Persie's foot?

[Barry]

Any word on Van Persie's foot?

Wenger says he can play and that the injury is nothing serious.

[pistolpete]

Does anyone else think Wenger made a mistake letting Birmingham keep Bendtner for the rest of the season - this guy can score goals as can Lupoli. Aliadiere is also a good scorer and having a player staying up there and in the box will take a little pressure off our creative players, henry, rosicky, fabregas and hleb.
Cant stand to think thats what Wenger is thinking when Adebayor plays. When he went clean through against Liverpool i had no confidence that he would score.
I would play all 3 (Aliadiere, Lupoli, Bendtner) before i played Adebayor.

[Nturtle]

Does anyone else think Wenger made a mistake letting Birmingham keep Bendtner for the rest of the season - this guy can score goals as can Lupoli. Aliadiere is also a good scorer and having a player staying up there and in the box will take a little pressure off our creative players, henry, rosicky, fabregas and hleb.
Cant stand to think thats what Wenger is thinking when Adebayor plays. When he went clean through against Liverpool i had no confidence that he would score.
I would play all 3 (Aliadiere, Lupoli, Bendtner) before i played Adebayor.

LOL...nice thought Pistolpete...but remember Bendtner and Lupoli are in the Championship...and Aliadiere has been playing reserve and Carling cup ties only. I think maybe we will see Aliadiere tonight vs Hamburg...instead of Adebayour...and maybe VP will be rested. Don't you recall Adebayour scoring the winner at old Trafford? That has SOME value...even if he didn't score vs. Liverpool. You can't discount the fact that he is also a youngster..and definitely needs to be more clinical in front of goal...headers and all. ;)

[pistolpete]

Yeah i remember it well and yes he did have a good game but imo thats the only time ive seen him play well in almost a year now, he seems to be ok at coming short and passing simple but his 1st touch is poor and we have plenty of players who can do what he does.
I dont want to critisize anyone who wears our shirt but it seems to me that others have earned the right to an extended chance in the side.
The other 3 have all scored a lot of goals and paid their dues in the reserves especially Aliadiere who i think is actually older than Ade.
Im going to the game tonight and i would rest RVP and play Aliadiere.
Maybe im wrong - in Wenger we trust!

[Stella Artois]

I think it's time to say my piece. I've watched quitely from the sidelines and watched people spout far too much shit now for me to not say something. The issue that is pissing me off is the constant moaning of the 4-5-1 system after every draw/defeat. Far too many people in this thread (and you know who are you) are too critical of a system that has worked well for us. In fact, I don't honestly see what anyone can complain about.

If you take last season for example, what games would you highlight as being the pick of our fairly poor season last year? Real Madrid away? Juventus at home and away? Whatever game you pick, I could almost guarentee we played a 4-5-1 - so why is it suddenly OK to criticise it? Even this season our best moments have come with a 4-5-1.

The fact is that the formation is not hindering us at all. Bar two games this season (CSKA and West Ham away) I feel we've dominated every single game home and away and could and should be top of the league. So what's the problem?

I hear time and time again we're not shooting from distance, or we're just not putting the ball into the back of the net full stop. I don't disagree, but then again whose fault is that? Can you honestly blame a 4-5-1 when Rosicky misses a sitter from 4 yards out against CSKA? Of course not. Is it that same systems fault we can't score two of about 26 chances against Everton? Again, no. The fact is the system isn't to blame, it's the players. Poor finishing is down to them, not a formation.

I constantly hear moaning and groaning about how RvP is wasted playing on the left hand side of a 5 man midfield. For starters he doesn't even play there as a conventional winger as he tends not to defend and drifts inside quite a lot. The next thing to consider is how whenever both he and Henry have played up top together, they've looked disjointed and incapable of forming a partnership - despite what happened last season.

Wenger's no mug, if he truly felt they could forge a partnership, that's what they'd be doing. The fact is we miss a Dennis Bergkamp up front. Dennis allowed Henry to play off the shoulder of the last defender in a way Thierry cannot anymore.

Another thing to consider is the midfield players. We don't have a left-winger, that much is clear, so I feel it's essential that we get Rosicky, Hleb and Fabregas on the ball in order to try and create something. It's clear we need a left-winger, but as we don't have one, it's another reason why we need to play the 4-5-1.

Sorry for the long post, but I'm getting frustrated by a lot of this nonsence.

[pistolpete]

quote - Can you honestly blame a 4-5-1 when Rosicky misses a sitter from 4 yards out against CSKA? Of course not.

True at least we are creating chances, id be more worried if we werent creating, that only happened against west ham.

Im a fan of the 4-5-1, but i dont think Henry should be the 1 on his own as he always attracts 2 defenders.

Good post stella, lots of things for people in here to think about.

[JoeyM]

I support the 451 in Europe and against good sides/difficult away games, but it's simply not working in the league against all the sides who come strictly to defend. If we're playing a team who have 8 men behind the ball at all times do we really need an extra midfielder? We're using are best player as a lamp post to bounce passes off of and moved are second biggest goal threat to the flank. Hleb, Rosicky, and Fabregas simply aren't natural goalscorers, they may chip in with a decent amount but we can't rely on them to finish our moves.

Our tempo has been far to slow this season, which I'm going to blame on the 451 as well, it encourages the players to pass sideways more often than forward.

[Stella Artois]

I've no idea how you can say that when we create nearly 20 chances per game at home.

Other than the CSKA and West Ham game we should have won every game. It's been down to nothing but poor finishing. I guarentee if we were top playing 4-5-1, there wouldn't be a single complaint.

[Pierre]

Haha, it was only last season people were saying we need to play 4-5-1 because our centre midfield is too lightweight!!

The formation is irrelevant, we need to improve our finishing...

I still believe Baptista can play in the Pires role, he is more effective coming into the box late, undetected...

Maybe play Rosicky just behind Henry.....

[Yi-Long]

I greatly oppose ANY 4-5-1 system. especially when you have a team like Arsenal that has the speed and the capabilty to play attacking, fast-moving, passing football.
Why play a defensive system with a team that has all the qualities needed to be a great offensive playing team!?
I know in the match it should drop to a 4-3-3, with midfielders and defenders joinng the attack, but personally i feel you should either just go for a 4-4-2, or perhaps a 4-3-3 IF you have the players. Right now though, I'd go for a 4-4-2, to relief some of the pressure of Henry's shoulders.

It's a shame Arsenal isnt doing very well at the moment, as they have a nice team with a bunch of very talented players. But hardly anyone of them stands out week in week out it seems.
I'd definately play Van Persie in a free role behind Henry, OR Fabregas. Both have the quality to link-up well with Henry, plus both have a nice shot, and a nice drible.

[Ronaldo_is_fat]

A traditional winger will be a great option to improve our team's pace.

I do agree with the aspect that we are too slow. For example in the game against Newcastle we didn't give enough pressure on their defense at the beginning. We should of expose their weakness in their defense as early as we could instead of waiting for them to settle down.

Usually If we don't score in the first 20 minutes, the same scenario appears, dominating possession but losing one goal due to the only defensive lapsy. We did improve in the second half simply because we are one goal down. I do hope Wenger will improve in our main weakness which is our piss poor finishing and not being dynamic enough.

It will be time for Henry to abandon his current role and be his old self again

[Viperized]

Yi-Long, although 451 is seen as a defensive formation, Arsenal play a very attacking game. In attack we have Henry, Van Persie, Fabregas, Rosicky, Hleb, Clichy and Eboue present. The only players who stay back are Toure, Gallas and Gilberto. Even the two CBs sometimes join in attack.

I support the 451 in Europe and against good sides/difficult away games, but it's simply not working in the league against all the sides who come strictly to defend. If we're playing a team who have 8 men behind the ball at all times do we really need an extra midfielder? We're using are best player as a lamp post to bounce passes off of and moved are second biggest goal threat to the flank. Hleb, Rosicky, and Fabregas simply aren't natural goalscorers, they may chip in with a decent amount but we can't rely on them to finish our moves.

Our tempo has been far to slow this season, which I'm going to blame on the 451 as well, it encourages the players to pass sideways more often than forward.
I completely agree.

The slow tempo only works well in Europe. However, the Premiership is a different story. There is no way we can break through a 10 man defence with a slow tempo. During the time of Vieira, we played at a high tempo and constantly pressured the opposition, allowing us to kill of a team in the first 30 minutes. This does not seem to be the case anymore. This system just seems to be about possession football, and only helps against the top sides as opposed to the poorer sides who will bring every man behind the ball.

For 451 to work, we'll need a goal scoring midfielder and an out and out winger. Perhaps we have found a fix to one of the problems as we may have found a goalscoring midfielder in Baptista. But is Wenger going to pick him ahead of Fabregas or Rosicky? Tonight we'll play Hamburg and Baptista is probably going to start, as I think Rosicky is still injured.

Wenger MUST buy a left winger in January if he continues to use the 451 system. That would help us stretch out defenses - Ribery could beat his marker all day long. He would certainly be an improvement over Van Persie at left wing. For the good of the team, I'd drop him for a better player in the left wing position, to those of you who are going to mention his potential/talent.

I hear time and time again we're not shooting from distance, or we're just not putting the ball into the back of the net full stop. I don't disagree, but then again whose fault is that? Can you honestly blame a 4-5-1 when Rosicky misses a sitter from 4 yards out against CSKA? Of course not. Is it that same systems fault we can't score two of about 26 chances against Everton? Again, no. The fact is the system isn't to blame, it's the players. Poor finishing is down to them, not a formation.
Thats true, poor finishing has cost us games.

But playing a slow tempo doesn't help either. It seems like we are using the exact same system in Europe and the Premiership.

[Stella Artois]

Is it possible to have a fast tempo when teams refuse to move out of their half? I personally don't think so.

We've never experienced it to this extent before.

[ATH10]

Porto have beaten CSKA in Russia 2-0 which means they go top for the moment, just puts a bit more pressure on you.

[Stella Artois]

Ah well, we proved we're capable of handling the big games, unlike you tossers.

[Jonny2J]

Is it possible to have a fast tempo when teams refuse to move out of their half? I personally don't think so.

We've never experienced it to this extent before.We tried on Saturday which I was quite surprised at, but as soon as Henry came on we were completely outclassed and no matter how hard we tried just couldn't get out of our own half as we were completely outplayed.

[Stella Artois]

Believe me mate, I'm not blaiming the opposition, I'm just commenting on the fact it's near impossible to play with the tempo we have in the past when you're playing against a wall of 11 players.

[ThierryHenry14]

1-0 to hamburg van der vaart scored in the 4th minute

[Jonny2J]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpMpwD4dwtk

:shocking:

[papa]

That is a quality goal!

[vanNistelrooy]

Not bad for his weak foot!

[Viperized]

Hooray! We're losing!

Fucking hell. Henry is isolated and has been non-existant. Our crosses are going no where, we aren't shooting at all.

Firstly I'd switch to 442. Henry is isolated, and thanks due to the 451 formation. 451 doesn't bring the best out of Henry, and you know that Stella. He is a lot more active in 442 and sees more of the ball, and doesn't have his back to the goal. Secondly I'd take of Flamini and bring on Gilberto.

IF we continue to play 451, we should take off Ljungberg and bring on Baptista. But I'd still like to see Gilberto replacing Flamini. We could've done better in defending Van der Vaart's goal and Flamini isn't playing a disciplined role. I wouldn't say he is a defensive midfielder either - Flamini is a box to box midfielder. Gilberto will add midfield stability.

There were 3 occasions we could've had a crack on goal from range, but as usual, we decided to pass it. It doesn't hurt to hit it from range a few times during a match, and Van Der Vaart's goal has proved this. That was a quality goal though.

I don't remember us troubling the Hamburg keeper either.

Not bad for his weak foot!
Van Der Vaart has an equally strong right foot.

[ThierryHenry14]

1-1 boys come on mister van persie right bottom corner

[Rossy Boy]

What a win all we need now is a draw against porto shame henry misses it though

[vanNistelrooy]

Why, is he suspended? Should make a good game. Porto will want it as much as you, but have home advantage and the fact that the greasy bastards will dive all over the place AND get the decisions.

[JoeyM]

Why, is he suspended? Should make a good game. Porto will want it as much as you, but have home advantage and the fact that the greasy bastards will dive all over the place AND get the decisions.

Nah, we both only need a draw to qualify, so don't be surprised if it's 0-0.

[Strawberry Jam]

Even If Arsenal do progress,they will not win the comp

[Rossy Boy]

Why, is he suspended? Should make a good game. Porto will want it as much as you, but have home advantage and the fact that the greasy bastards will dive all over the place AND get the decisions.

Too Many silly yellow cards, i know i dont see how they get away with the diving i saw a few dives tonight

who do you think should start against porto seeing as no henry i bet it will be adebayour taking his place i would rather see walcott start he had a blinder of a game and caused their full backs problems

[vanNistelrooy]

If Arsenal do progress they will not win the comp
Too true. They'll probably bring in a couple of Argentinians, completely destroy team morale, sell out, and finish in the bottom half of the league.

[Rossy Boy]

Even If Arsenal do progress,they will not win the comp

how do you know we play great football and have a good defence, you never know what is going to happen so you cant just say that

[Strawberry Jam]

Too true. They'll probably bring in a couple of Argentinians, completely destroy team morale, sell out, and finish in the bottom half of the league.

How have West Ham finished in the bottom half of the league,it's only November mate

[Strawberry Jam]

how do you know we play great football and have a good defence, you never know what is going to happen so you cant just say that

Indeed they do play some nice stuff but their are plenty of teams that are stronger in the comp and you can say what you like,threads like this are for discussion and discussion involves people giving their opinions,feel free to say what you like about West Ham and i will happily take your opinion into account

[vanNistelrooy]

How have West Ham finished in the bottom half of the league,it's only November mate
You will do though. I believe there's atleast 10 teams that are much better than you.

[Rossy Boy]

i hope west ham do very well this year all they have to do is pick up the pices and points and i say they could atleast come in the top ten

[Strawberry Jam]

You will do though. I believe there's atleast 10 teams that are much better than you.

That's fair enough but if i were you i wouldn't write the hammers off just yet

[Stella Artois]

Good result in the end, I thought we dominated from start to finish and the scoreline wasn't flattering.

It was nice to see Hamburg tried to win the game, it's been a long time since anyone has done that against us.

@SJ: Fuck off cunt.

[Rossy Boy]

yeah we totally dominated the whole game and we deserved that win by far

[ThierryHenry14]

i though we could of lost that but much like arsenal do the never say die until the end great goal by everyone i liked eboue's and baptista's was good aswell

[Strawberry Jam]

Good result in the end, I thought we dominated from start to finish and the scoreline wasn't flattering.

It was nice to see Hamburg tried to win the game, it's been a long time since anyone has done that against us.

@SJ: Fuck off cunt.

Dont worry im not offended,you probably said that without thinking,that's how you do most things

[Stella Artois]

I said it because your comments were stupid and unfounded. You were probably spouting that shit last year, yet we got to the final.

Think before you type.

[Rambo]

Henry's yellow card was ridiculous

[Viperized]

3-1.

What a fucking performance in the second half.

[Rossy Boy]

Henry's yellow card was ridiculous

i totally agree

[Pierre]

I think we should play the same team that played at Old Trafford at Porto.

Also hope we play "the Beast" against Bolton, take that Kevin Davies you block-head muther-fucker!!!

[Strawberry Jam]

Who would you Arsenal fans like to see your club sign if anybody in January?

[Strawberry Jam]

What did Thierry Henry get booked for then?

[Viperized]

Even If Arsenal do progress,they will not win the comp
Fuck off moron.

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

Booing your side at halftime for conceding a wonder goal and then proceeding to attacka side that had 11 men behind the ball.

Wow Arsenal fans are special.

[Viperized]

What did Thierry Henry get booked for then?
He barely touched Mathisan but the ref gave him a yellow.

[Viperized]

Who would you Arsenal fans like to see your club sign if anybody in January?
A goal keeper and a winger

[Stella Artois]

Booing your side at halftime for conceding a wonder goal and then proceeding to attacka side that had 11 men behind the ball.

Wow Arsenal fans are special.

The suits do that, not the real fans.

[Strawberry Jam]

He barely touched Mathisan but the ref gave him a yellow.

Do you mean Mathijsen moron

[Strawberry Jam]

A goal keeper and a winger

Anyone in particular?

[Viperized]

Do you mean Mathijsen moron
Wow, incorrect spelling.

Who gives a fuck?

[Stella Artois]

Strawberry Jam, stop double posting and shut the fuck up.

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

The suits do that, not the real fans.

How convenient. Seemed loud enough to warrant a good portion of your "support". Even if you could put that down to them the lack of noise was as per usual pathetic and you always know when Arsenal are struggling because you hear that weak rendition of "come on Arsenal" which sounds like you are crying into your warm shandy while you sing it.

[Pierre]

Rafalutionary, what satisfaction can you really get from winding us up after a win?

We aint perfect, but Liverpool are'nt exactly shit-hot either...

Just chill, son..

[Stella Artois]

Well given the cost to go to Highbury, I'd say the suits make up a huge part of the crowd.

Still, you're so bone idle trying to discuss something with you is a waste of time. I'll let you believe what you want.

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

Rafalutionary, what satisfaction can you really get from winding us up after a win?

We aint perfect, but Liverpool are'nt exactly shit-hot either...

Just chill, son..

Point is Highbury was bad enough for generating an atmosphere but the Emirates is a fuckin nightmare. Call me old fashioned but as well as going to watch the game I go to be part of something, an atmosphere and a setting that send chills down your spine. Suppose when you start with half assed fans it doesn't make your task any easier. Not to say you don't have some good fans but they seem to be well in the minority. Our club is suffering from an influx of the "new fans" but we will still make Anfield rock when it matters.

[Stella Artois]

Well you have to do something when you have to watch the shite you lot serve up, don't you?

I'd worry more about your side than our atmosphere, if I were you.

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

Well you have to do something when you have to watch the shite you lot serve up, don't you?

I'd worry more about your side than our atmosphere, if I were you.

Then your a fool. :)

There is one constant in Football and that is the fans.

Players and Managers come and go but we remain.

We are the most important thing in Football.

[Stella Artois]

Clearly you misread what I wrote - and not for the first time.

The atmosphere at Arsenal FC's ground, is the concern for those who have a true interest in the club. It shouldn't matter to you in the slightest. What should matter is the pile of shit your side is serving up.

[Ronaldo_is_fat]

By looking at the player rating in skysports it seems Hleb had a great game.

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

Clearly you misread what I wrote - and not for the first time.

The atmosphere at Arsenal FC's ground, is the concern for those who have a true interest in the club. It shouldn't matter to you in the slightest. What should matter is the pile of shit your side is serving up.

I understood what you said and replied in kind. You can rip us all you want but we are something you will never be and you have to live with that. No amount of foreigners will ever have you come close to Liverpool F.C.

So we lost a few games, so what ? Do you not remember the shit you were serving up yourself last season? Things can change very quickly in this game.

As for why I care about Arsenals new stadium it is the same reason I cringe when I see music played after a goal.

[Pierre]

I liked his game alot, because it showed that when we lose the ball we can fight just as hard as the opposition....

We can win dirty....just like in the Vieira days were the whole team would follow his example of nasty tackling....and then skill when we win the ball back

[Viperized]

Hleb played fairly well, but the Skysports ratings are generally a load of bollocks. Over the past few weeks he has received poor ratings when he was highly influential in attack.

[Stella Artois]

Rafalutionary, luckily we don't care too much for your opinion.

I think the reason you care is so you can pretend to ignore what's going on at your club. That's fair enough, I'd be doing the same if I were in your shoes.

Moving on...tough game this weekend. Any predictions? What formation would you like to see?

[Pierre]

Baptista to score.....

Leaving a trail of trampled, contorted, Bolton bodies in his wake....

Plus dumpling should be fit...

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

Rafalutionary, luckily we don't care too much for your opinion.

I think the reason you care is so you can pretend to ignore what's going on at your club. That's fair enough, I'd be doing the same if I were in your shoes.

Moving on...tough game this weekend. Any predictions? What formation would you like to see?

Wow almost as arrogant and wrong as Wenger proclaiming Ferguson the greatest British Manager ever.

I have cared what is happening to the game long before I came on this site. I have written in numerous posts about the state of the game in certain places and how sadly tradition thesedays means nothing to these people who crave success at all costs even their own identity.

You think what you like though, I mean Wenger does.

[Scarface]

A much improved second half showing. Cesc Fabregas was looking back near his best, which is a great sign for the important upcoming weeks. When Alexander Hleb hit the underside of the bar, I thought it was going to be another frustrating night, but fortunately, it wasn't to be.

[Nturtle]

Baptista to score.....

Leaving a trail of trampled, contorted, Bolton bodies in his wake....

Plus dumpling should be fit...

Well...grandstand finish...the interesting part from readint the reports...was about Walcott...surprising that nobody has mentioned him yet. The boss says a few things about him, especially his mentality that he can "change the game" as a sub. It's great learning for the youngster in a pressure cooker environment. For the Baptista goal..I read that he "ignored" a lay-off to Henry...and put it on Baptista's head instead....now THAT is impressive stuff...to ignore the captain! HA! But I seriously believe it is a good thing...we cannot expect TOO much of the Henry...and other players need to pull their weight up front..otherwise Henry is neutralised early on.

My earlier prediction wasn't too bad...Porto also won to keep the pressure on in the Champs league...all three sides (Arsenal, Porto and CSKA) could go through...although a draw in the Porto v Arsenal game kills off CSKA...I don't think we'll play for a draw though.

For Bolton...well...what can I say...I think it is HIGH TIME we beat them up badly...so I will go for a 3-0 win again...Walcott to score! HA! :laugh:

[Canadian, Eh?]

Walcott, tiny man against Bolton away....errrr.

Nice to see Baptista break the onion bag.

[Stella Artois]

Wow almost as arrogant and wrong as Wenger proclaiming Ferguson the greatest British Manager ever.

I have cared what is happening to the game long before I came on this site. I have written in numerous posts about the state of the game in certain places and how sadly tradition thesedays means nothing to these people who crave success at all costs even their own identity.

You think what you like though, I mean Wenger does.

Suck it up big man.

Nturtle, I'd be amazed if Walcott played much of the Bolton game. They're a team of thugs and they'd snap him in half.

[pistolpete]

Went to the game last night and i saw that it was a sell out, yet there were loads of empty seats, from where i was sitting (quite high) you could see groups of 5 or 6 seats empty.
There were plenty of touts outside the ground.
Could it be that he touts are finding it easier to get hold of tickets but harder to sell them?
Its such a shame that so many people would love to go to the game but cant afford it or cant get hold of a ticket, and then theres empty seats inside the ground.

Nice win anyway, the lads really picked up in the 2nd half and when Walcott came on he really influenced the game and gave us another dimension.

[Ronaldo_is_fat]

Walcott will do fine because he works his arse off each game and is always praised. I am more worried about Fabregas and Hleb. Fabregas usually gets bullied off the pitch and Hleb is totally shut down against tough opponents like Bolton.

[Nturtle]

Walcott, tiny man against Bolton away....errrr.

Nice to see Baptista break the onion bag.

LOL...and yes...I saw your comments Stella...well, it's half tongue in cheek...but Walcott needs some tough games as well...Cesc hasn't snapped in half yet...and he's a small lad as well. Given Wenger's comments....a quick team against a physical team may not be a losing side...and Bolton's reputation has been dented a couple of times with losses again not so rock hard teams already. ;)

RE: empty seats Pistolpete...let me know when you've got a spare ticket! Damn...I'd love to watch the Gunner live! Fair comment...but there's probably some reason for lack of attendance...as long as the club make money...I'm not sure they will be too bothered.. :realmad:

For those who didnt' get to watch the game last night (like me):

Van der vaart's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpMpwD4dwtk

VP's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvyo9Jb-Sfw&mode=related&search=

Eboue's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vV4ZSckZQ3I&mode=related&search=

Baptista's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0cALfixUKY&mode=related&search=

[Stella Artois]

I can give you a few sites that have more indepth highlights if you want them?

I agree about Walcott, but I'd prefer to get the Beast playing as he needs the games.

[Nturtle]

I can give you a few sites that have more indepth highlights if you want them?

I agree about Walcott, but I'd prefer to get the Beast playing as he needs the games.

Appreciate that Stella :w00t - would love a good look at our matches from time to time when I can't get live matches broadcast where I am.

Definitely agree with the Beast needing to play...he's a bit of a Gallas...got experience...and only needs some fitness to show us that he too can be a Freddie/Pires player...contributing to some fine goals and headers. ;) An astutue choice by Wenger, if by the end of the season he has done his bit in contributing to the team. I see him interchanging with Rosicky or Cesc, and perhaps Hleb with Walcott, now that the boss has figured out young Theo is a little better on the right.

[Stella Artois]

You can always get live streams at the very least. I'll pm you with the info I have.

[pistolpete]

[QUOTE=Nturtle;865687]

let me know when you've got a spare ticket! Damn...I'd love to watch the Gunner live! Fair comment...but there's probably some reason for lack of attendance...as long as the club make money...I'm not sure they will be too bothered..


Hard enough to get hold of one myself mate - im only a red level member - we get the dregs that the bigshots dont snap up!

In fact i think Arsenal maybe one of the few teams that do care about empty seats which is why i presume they bought in the ticket/card service.
Im sure after a while they will have it down to a fine art

[Nturtle]

Hard enough to get hold of one myself mate - im only a red level member - we get the dregs that the bigshots dont snap up!

In fact i think Arsenal maybe one of the few teams that do care about empty seats which is why i presume they bought in the ticket/card service.
Im sure after a while they will have it down to a fine art

Yeah...well...hopefully they sort it out...it's good to know fans aren't really that bothered about what seat they...and just want to get to the match! ;)

P.S. Thanks for the PM Stella! ;) :ninja:

[Tigermen]

I understood what you said and replied in kind. You can rip us all you want but we are something you will never be and you have to live with that. No amount of foreigners will ever have you come close to Liverpool F.C.

So we lost a few games, so what ? Do you not remember the shit you were serving up yourself last season? Things can change very quickly in this game.

As for why I care about Arsenals new stadium it is the same reason I cringe when I see music played after a goal.

I think I can live with us not being shit, yeah.

[only1Franck]

[QUOTE=pistolpete;865619]Nice win anyway, the lads really picked up in the 2nd half and when Walcott came on he really influenced the game and gave us another dimension.[/QUOTE

wow you can run aswell as pass now, nearly as good as yeovil, shame your lads can't grab the concept of variety

[Dragonfly]

Fabregas!

[Jonny2J]

Fabregas is a dirty little twat!:)

[Dragonfly]

I wish a could give Fabregas a blow job.
:ninja:

[only1Franck]

Fabregas!

Fabregas to you too

[Strawberry Jam]

Walcott, tiny man against Bolton away....errrr.

Nice to see Baptista break the onion bag.

It would be nice to see him lose a few pounds as well!

[only1Franck]

a few???????, i think he has swallowed fatty ronaldo

[Jonny2J]

Behave lads, that's all muscle on Baptista without a doubt, 100% ticket to the guns show.

[Dragonfly]

I wouldn't be surprised if America sold him to a sleeper cell :rolleyes:

[wrigh2uk]

a few???????, i think he has swallowed fatty ronaldo


So what did Viduka eat ?

[Canadian, Eh?]

Appreciate that Stella :w00t - would love a good look at our matches from time to time when I can't get live matches broadcast where I am.

Definitely agree with the Beast needing to play...he's a bit of a Gallas...got experience...and only needs some fitness to show us that he too can be a Freddie/Pires player...contributing to some fine goals and headers. ;) An astutue choice by Wenger, if by the end of the season he has done his bit in contributing to the team. I see him interchanging with Rosicky or Cesc, and perhaps Hleb with Walcott, now that the boss has figured out young Theo is a little better on the right.

Yeah 3/4 of the Arsenal matches I watch are streamed over the Internet, its a godsend when you are half way around the world.

[only1Franck]

So what did Viduka eat ?

god knows but it must have been big, a load of kangaroos possibly?

[Viperized]

Funnily enough our performance considerably improved when we switched to 442. The players have said it themselves (Fabregas) and Wenger has mentioned this in his post match interview.

[only1Franck]

any team that can play football will play better in a 4-4-2 formation, just gives the team more balance

[CaptainCabinet]

IMPORTANT NEWS

I feel you should all be aware of this:

The sound of the ball hitting the post/bar at the Emirates :wub:.




Not a jibe or anything, it just had to be said.

[Montana & Co]

ahh a fellow arsenal thread, gr8 win against hamburg eh? boyz :)

[Nturtle]

IMPORTANT NEWS

I feel you should all be aware of this:

The sound of the ball hitting the post/bar at the Emirates :wub:.




Not a jibe or anything, it just had to be said.

Thank you for that contribution...very useful! :no:

The latest newspaper articles relate to Cesc (don't get a hard on Dragonfly) saying Walcott is as good as Messi...is the Barca player really that great? I haven't watched too many games with him playing so it was REALLY a question...not about me questioning his ability. ;)

[Stella Artois]

Well Cesc has seen both up close, so you'd like to think he knows what he is talking about.

Also, is it me or does Theo look a lot stronger physically? Been working out with the Beast methinks.

[Viperized]

Yes he does look a lot stronger on the ball than he previously was.

[Nturtle]

Yes he does look a lot stronger on the ball than he previously was.

He's probably taking a hint from Cesc as well...since Cesc now also looks stronger...and I remember the first game of the season...Cesc was giving opposing players a "come hither" look and shrugging off challenges!! HA! Playing and training with a group of very athletic sportmen...I think it gives you a huge challenge to be very fit!!

I think it would be good for Walcott to get better at defending as well, aka Hleb who has improved a lot in coming back and helping Eboue. Even Henry has his moments in helping the midfield and defence...mainly with his pace...and a few clumsy challenges... Helping defend also improves your attacking mentality and gives you new tricks to work with...I'm sure Walcott gets it!

Onto Bolton again...and I've not heard too much news except that Anelka will probably play...and interesting one for sure...we will hear boos or applause for Le Sulk?

[Nturtle]

Mmmmm...bugger...lots of reports coming in saying Henry is out of Bolton game with a neck injury...well...I'm not fussed...we have enough quality to win it...and maybe Baptista or Aliadiere can get a good run...and of course we have VP and Adebayour....I think the team can actually play better without Henry...as they dont' constantly pass TO him all the time...and for him to get stuck or lose the ball...we'll be fine...and kick in a few teeth...like Diouf's who says "Arsenal are running scared" and Fat Sam who says "we know how to kill them" etc...lol...fighting words for a side who has lost to teams like Everton...

[pistolpete]

Nothing on bbc website or Arsenal.com about Henry being out??
If its true i can see Weneger setting up the team the same as ManUtd away - 4-5-1 adebayor at the top.
Think this might work better against Bolton especially if the Baptista plays, i think Wenger had this type of game in mind when he bought him. Diaby would also suit this game - anyone know when he's due back?

[Stella Artois]

Some time in the New Year. Same with Lauren.

Fat Sam is a cunt.

[Viperized]

Nothing on bbc website or Arsenal.com about Henry being out??
If its true i can see Weneger setting up the team the same as ManUtd away - 4-5-1 adebayor at the top.
Think this might work better against Bolton especially if the Baptista plays, i think Wenger had this type of game in mind when he bought him. Diaby would also suit this game - anyone know when he's due back?
Skysports.com

Check it and it shows Henry has a slight injury.

[Nturtle]

Sorry guys...forgot the link. In any case, we might do what we did at Hamburg in terms of formation...4-5-1...then a switch to 4-4-2 when they are tired...OR...start with Theo....in the 4-4-2 attacking formation!

Wenger apparently is thinking of it...from the Mirror...

Walcott may start for Arsenal

LONDON (Reuters) - Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger says the time may have come to give teenager Theo Walcott a start in the Premier League.

Walcott impressed in midweek when he came off the bench to help Arsenal beat Hamburg in the Champions League and with captain Thierry Henry missing Saturday's game at Bolton through injury, Wenger is considering playing Walcott in his place.

"I don't know whether I will start with Theo. It depends on what inspiration I get in Bolton before the game," Wenger told reporters on Friday.

"Theo is getting closer and I understand people's desperation to see him start but it's up to me to manage him well and at the moment he is making a good impact off the bench."


Despite Walcott's progress, Wenger feels too much is being expected of him after his shock selection in England's World Cup squad.

"There's a lot of expectation. I feel the boy is under a lot of pressure, because if he plays and doesn't deliver, people are very, very aggressive with him. That was already the case," Wenger said.


"There is a strange attitude with Theo. People can quickly be negative about him because they still think as he went to the World Cup at 17 years of age he must be a superstar.

"He is surprisingly level-headed. He makes no demands on you. He is a very intelligent boy because he analyses very well what happens with him. He's humble, listens and wants to learn so it is positive."

EDIT - ah...shit...didn't realise VP was banned!!! Oh well...the Beast will be unleashed then...and Aliadiere may get a good chance.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/sport/2006/11/25/sfnwal25.xml

[Ronaldo_is_fat]

--------------------------------lehmann----------------------------

eboue------------toure---------------------senderos-----------clichy

-------------------cesc-----------------------gilberto--------------

walcott---------------------------------------------------------hleb

-------------------baptista------------------adebayor---------------

Something like that will be good but the finishing really worries me.

[Nturtle]

--------------------------------lehmann----------------------------

eboue------------toure---------------------senderos-----------clichy

-------------------cesc-----------------------gilberto--------------

walcott---------------------------------------------------------hleb

-------------------baptista------------------adebayor---------------

Something like that will be good but the finishing really worries me.

You could be right Ronaldo - in terms of formation...but I think we'll be ok with finishing...got enough there to get in a few goals. I predicted Walcott would score...and probably Senderos from a corner or something. 2-0 to the gunners!

[Stella Artois]

Baptista will be an attacking midfielder, he won't be up top - I wouldn't have thought.

I'd also expect Walcott to start on the left. Eboue and Hleb have a decent partnership going down the right.

[Nturtle]

wholly crap...again...1-0 down...no Hleb...freddie...but Walcott starts...Mmmm...big corner defensive error.

Bah...playing like fairies...Bolton are passing and doing VERY well.

EDIT...far out...why flamini ahead of baptista?

Wow...what a goal...by Anelka...shit...and great gilberto header...sheesh...it's going to be a good second half!

[only1Franck]

Bolton have worked out how to play the Gunners

[Nturtle]

Bolton have worked out how to play the Gunners

Heh...I think almost EVERY team has!!! Dammit :realmad:

[Nturtle]

Far out...offside by Anelka...and he scores...Arsenal have the half....but Bolton have the score...#$!%!@#$!^!^

[ThierryHenry14]

Heh...I think almost EVERY team has!!! Dammit :realmad:
:realmad: :realmad: :realmad: :realmad:
exactly the way they do it is that if arsenal play a 4-5-1 formation and Mr.Wenger tends to do that the other team play a 4-5-1

[Nturtle]

Bloody ridiculous....unlucky is only an excuse...having hit the woodwork 3 times...shit is the expression...and the law of the "Ex" comes to haunt the Gunners...and there goes the title...perhaps...

[Viperized]

Pathetic. We lost 3-1. I'm completely ruling out the Premiership title now.

Ljungberg, Adebayor and Flamini are complete waste of spaces.

[ThierryHenry14]

i think it's time for mabye a new goalie come january and better strikers

[JoeyM]

Poor defending for the first and third goals, but the second half was encouraging, played at a much higher tempo than normal and we created plenty of chances. Overall we were missing a spark, only Theo looked like making something actually happen, but his decision making was inconsistent, though maybe you could put that down to Rosicky's and Henry's absence.

[kallum]

Thierry, Lehmann is sitll good enough for us I think- but yeah ideally he should be gone by the end of the season, or have some serious, younger competetion.

As for the match...

Anybody want tea? :mellow:

[Scarface]

As for the match...

Anybody want tea? :mellow:

I need something stronger that that, much stronger. :crymore:

I haven't seen the match (and doubt i'll put myself through the suffering, now) but it comes as no surprise to hear that we hit the woodwork on 3 occasions, create more chances than Bolton, and see ourselves on the end of another beating.

Only positive thing I can come to think of, is that Walcott is getting some playing time, and looking lively.

[ibz]

this is the season of misery for arsenal fans!!

[Scarface]

It's a bit early to say that. To say it's not been going to plan would be an understatement, but there's still the domestic cup competitions, which we usually fare very well in, and we're looking good in the Champions League again, despite frustrating results against CSKA.

Theo Walcott is starting to show glimpses of true promise.

Fabregas is proving, once again, he is a unique talent, and will become one of the best midfielders in the world, perhaps the best.

The Gallas and Toure partnership is blossoming, and should serve us well for years.

Hleb and Eboue have made us very strong down the right, which is an area we haven't been strong in for yonks.

Tomas Rosicky is settling in well, and looks likely to become a key player.

Obviously there are several concerns aswell, but it's not all doom and gloom. There's a lot to play for, and it could still turn into a successful season, but it's just a shame our chances of Premiership success seem well and truly out of the window - by November, again - when in many Arsenal fans eyes, our squad looked good enough to compete this season.

[Viperized]

I hear we hit the woodwork three times, and that cunt Davies floored Eboue yet he got a yellow.

Seems like luck doesn't go out way.. :\

[Jonny2J]

I hear we hit the woodwork three times, and that cunt Davies floored Eboue yet he got a yellow.

Seems like luck doesn't go out way.. :\It's ok because Fabregas can get away with his little antics all the time so it evens itself out. :)

[Rambo]

What a time for Anelka to score his first goals. His first goal was a beauty

[RichB_33]

I hear we hit the woodwork three times, and that cunt Davies floored Eboue yet he got a yellow.

Seems like luck doesn't go out way.. :\

He didn't really floor him mate, just a little push to the chest that wouldn't even have knocked over Paul Alcock, Eboue went down rolling around in agony like he'd been battered, then when the yellow was given he shot right back up and complained.
He's lucky, some refs would've given him a yellow too for unsportsmanlike conduct.

Again Bolton seem to have a lot of luck on their sides, also 2 great goals from Anelka.
Just hope Arsenal can finish well and get a champion's league spot by season's end, always love watching your brand of football in European games.

[Pierre]

Guys, were just too inconsistent and weak, signs of a very young squad.

I kinda miss the menace and grit if players like Vieira, Keown, Parlour, Lauren.....

I think we really need a really horrible character on the pitch.....

[Canadian, Eh?]

Unlucky, we don't seem to get any luck. I have seen Henry in the same position as Anelka and get called offside most of the time...but thats football.

Hit the woodwork three times, well thats status quo.

And Davies flooring Eboue....well I remember last season Shearer chocked Lauren and threw him to the floor and Lauren got a yellow card for it...so I guess we should be happy that Eboue didn't get carded...

We still have to learn how to defend off corners, its two seasons ago all over again.

[Nturtle]

Pathetic. We lost 3-1. I'm completely ruling out the Premiership title now.

Ljungberg, Adebayor and Flamini are complete waste of spaces.

Those three played particularly badly I think. We should have scored early on and Adebayour again did not finish it...:realmad:

The thing was, we psyched ourselves out...eery tackle we "skipped" out of...we did not commit ourselves to a physical game..and went "cry baby" over every little tackle...credit to Bolton...they never cried wolf like Lehman...Ljungberg etc...stupid stupid mentality...

Tactics may have been part of it...but so many times...we crossed into the box...expecting the lone Gunner....Adebayour to score...NOBODY else was there for f*cks sake!!! Why cross?

Bah...I feel we are pretty unlucky...but that's not an excuse to fans of opposing teams out there. We just couldn't get into a rythym in the first half...had Flamini who was useless and gave away balls...and Ljungberg who did not look match fit.

Theo was quite good....and you can easily see him getting much better...just a bit more confidence OFF the ball will be better...such as collecting throw ins etc. He's a much better crosser than any other player...and I'm glad he has got a brilliant lesson in how NOT to play. Fortune clearly whacked him when the ball was out of play...so that was a shock...but he wasnt' cowed by anyone...

The point is...we suck at defending set pieces...nobody can win headers or direct long balls (Almost EVERY Bolton lob up front was collected superbly by Diouf and Anelka)...and we MUST do something about tactics and planning for attacking corners, set pieces...it's just clueless right now...:realmad:

[AgentZero]

:realmad: :realmad: :realmad: :realmad:
exactly the way they do it is that if arsenal play a 4-5-1 formation and Mr.Wenger tends to do that the other team play a 4-5-1

so the 4-5-1 isnt arsenals formation, i think the problem lies in your squad depth

[Usul]

The latest newspaper articles relate to Cesc (don't get a hard on Dragonfly) saying Walcott is as good as Messi...is the Barca player really that great? I haven't watched too many games with him playing so it was REALLY a question...not about me questioning his ability. ;)
Well Cesc has seen both up close, so you'd like to think he knows what he is talking about.
Maybe Fabregas should keep his trap shut.

[zeemeister]

Maybe Fabregas should keep his trap shut.

Some good advice.

[Jonny2J]

And Davies flooring Eboue....well I remember last season Shearer chocked Lauren and threw him to the floor and Lauren got a yellow card for it...so I guess we should be happy that Eboue didn't get carded...
Convieniently forgetting Fabregas stamping on Shearer's ankle as well then the same match when he won the ball to set up Solano eh? :rolleyes:

[Canadian, Eh?]

Convieniently forgetting Fabregas stamping on Shearer's ankle as well then the same match when he won the ball to set up Solano eh? :rolleyes:

Yes that happened, but if you choke me to the ground, do I get a card?

Don't think so...

[Jonny2J]

Yes that happened, but if you choke me to the ground, do I get a card?

Don't think so...No you don't just as Henry proved last week when he done the same to Titus Bramble.

[Strawberry Jam]

Emmanuel Eboue's a twat,Kevin Davies pushed him in the chest and 1)there wasn't enough contact to make him fall over and 2)he was holding his face.The african minge was trying to get Davies sent off and deserves to be punished

[only1Franck]

or deported

[Scarface]

deserves to be punished

Thanks for reminding me.

[Canadian, Eh?]

No you don't just as Henry proved last week when he done the same to Titus Bramble.

Can't say I saw it...but I see your point.

[Viperized]

Emmanuel Eboue's a twat,Kevin Davies pushed him in the chest and 1)there wasn't enough contact to make him fall over and 2)he was holding his face.The african minge was trying to get Davies sent off and deserves to be punished
You are a fucking moron.

Davies did push him. And whilst Eboue landed, he smacked his head to the ground.

Admins, will this cunt be unbanned again? I'm just wondering.

[ThierryHenry14]

probably and hopefully not

[Stella Artois]

Jonny, shush.

Seems like a poor performance from the lads, will watch the game soon and comment further.

[Canadian, Eh?]

I don't think enough was made out of Eboue tripping and getting up to put in a cross...I was shocked...

[JoeyM]

Yeah that was quite surprising.

I'm trying not to over analyze this game, I see Bolton away as a one off match tbh. Even during the unbeaten season we only managed a 2-2 draw.

[The Stig]

Chelsea's Drogba: I'm better than Henry
tribalfooball.com - November 26, 2006

Chelsea striker Didier Drogba has demanded more respect from pundits after declaring himself as being a better player than Arsenal captain Thierry Henry.

Drogba is the Premiership's joint top scorer with eight goals so far this season, and told the Daily Mirror that "in real life, especially this season, I'm better than him [Henry]."

The Ivorian made his comments in reaction to a computer game that listed him as inferior to Arsenal's French ace.
What a fucking tool. He's in form now but when Henry is at his best he's in a different league.

[ATH10]

What a fucking tool. He's in form now but when Henry is at his best he's in a different league.

The fact his comments were based on a computer game tell's it's own story really.

[Canadian, Eh?]

I thought it was probably one of the best quotes of the year.

'The Henry character'...haha

Edit: Henry finised third in player of the year, behind two cheats, so maybe he can consider it first place. Never gets enough credit in European awards I figure, no suprise really. He could have won the CL and WC and they would have found someway to screw him

[Joel]

What a fucking tool. He's in form now but when Henry is at his best he's in a different league.

I found it quite funny.

Everyone knows who the better player is, so I think it is best to look at it in a funny way.


Edit: Henry finised third in player of the year, behind two cheats, so maybe he can consider it first place. Never gets enough credit in European awards I figure, no suprise really. He could have won the CL and WC and they would have found someway to screw him

:laugh:

How on earth are the two people that finished ahead of him cheats?

[Karaoke29]

Edit: Henry finised third in player of the year, behind two cheats, so maybe he can consider it first place. Never gets enough credit in European awards I figure, no suprise really. He could have won the CL and WC and they would have found someway to screw him
Your description to the World Champions is cheats. The best shot stopper in the world and one of the best goalkeepers ever, also the captain of the Champions are cheaters. I think that your opinion is far below par because:

1)If you are saying so because Canna was an ex-Juve player and Buffon is a Juve player plus you did read about the Calciopoli, so you've proved that you know nothing about the Italian football. Simply, because the players aren't guilty at all.

2)If you are saying so because you like the word "cheat" plus you didn't read well about the Calciopoli, so it is a shame. You must make up your mind before throwing accusations on players of honor. It is disgusting to crucify decent players just because of a vile perverse admin.

[vanNistelrooy]

Drogba better than Henry :laugh:

[Canadian, Eh?]

Your description to the World Champions is cheats. The best shot stopper in the world and one of the best goalkeepers ever, also the captain of the Champions are cheaters. I think that your opinion is far below par because:

You can say that if you want, I would just point out that Henry played in the two finals and scored a total of 41 goals in all competitions.

Also he didn't dive off a team at adversity like Cannovaro did.

It's just my opinion that the best player in Europe last season was not Cannavaro, I would even put a Eto'o who had a great year up there ahead of him.

[Nturtle]

!%#!~%!^%~ Ah well....it's been a bad few days for Arsenal...hopefully the run doesn't continue at Fulham on Wednesday. Big game...before another Derby on Sat with Tottenham...a manic week before Porto.

A tense time fellow Gunners!

[pistolpete]

Why do we still play zonal defence at corners and free kicks, every man should take someone and your biggest guy starts on the goalline and attcks the ball.
Faye ran past 3 players unchallenged.

Unsurprising to see Bolton defending like trojans and kicking us about but when they played Manure, their defenders were just falling over.
I hope they produce the same kind of performance against Chelski as they did us - i wont hold my breath.

A half fit Freddy ahead of Hleb - ridiculous.
Flamini playing instead of Baptista against thugs - even more ridiculous.

[Ronaldo_is_fat]

[QUOTE=pistolpete;869908]

Unsurprising to see Bolton defending like trojans and kicking us about but when they played Manure, their defenders were just falling over.
I hope they produce the same kind of performance against Chelski as they did us - i wont hold my breath.
/QUOTE]

If Bolton played like that against Chelsea, I am sure that they Bolton will get demolished.

[Karaoke29]

You can say that if you want, I would just point out that Henry played in the two finals and scored a total of 41 goals in all competitions.
You are completely off topic. I haven't commeted on Henry, I've commented on using the word "cheats". By the way I can't deny that Henry is one of the best strikers I've ever seen. I pick Cannavaro to be the European Footballer of the year and you pick Henry, I mean every one is free to choose what he wants to choose, generally. Even though, this is not the point that I was talking about.

Also he didn't dive off a team at adversity like Cannovaro did.
You mean that Cannavaro does dive, while Henry doesn't. No Comment.:huh:

[Stella Artois]

Ahmedios, shut the fuck up and get out of our thread.

Fucking cunt.

[Karaoke29]

First of all, I wasn't talking to you.

Secondly, you've just returned back from your sent off. It is so embarrassing.

Thirdly, again I'm going to keep my patience with you, but not for along time. Don't make me angry. UNDERSTOOD?

[Stella Artois]

Don't make you angry? What will you do? Call the mafia?

We don't care for your opinions greaseball. Fuck off back to the Juventus thread and continue to wank over that useless tosser Del Piero.

[Karaoke29]

I'm not going to deal with your shit. The admin will do.

[ronaldo9999]

Arsenal.com and Pro Evolution Soccer 6 teamed up on Thursday to bring you an exclusive live webchat with Cesc Fabregas.

[vanNistelrooy]

I'm not going to deal with your shit. The admin will do.
Yeah they'll do a hell of a lot.

[Viperized]

You are completely off topic. I haven't commeted on Henry, I've commented on using the word "cheats". By the way I can't deny that Henry is one of the best strikers I've ever seen. I pick Cannavaro to be the European Footballer of the year and you pick Henry, I mean every one is free to choose what he wants to choose, generally. Even though, this is not the point that I was talking about.


You mean that Cannavaro does dive, while Henry doesn't. No Comment.:huh:
No, Henry doesn't dive.

The only reason why Cananvaro won the award is because Italy won the World Cup as the captain.

Henry has been robbed off the European/World Player of the Year awards several times.

He definitely deserved to win it this year. Eto'o would be a good shout too, who was fantastic in the Champions League and in La Liga last season. But as Henry had a far bigger impact to Arsenal, leading us to the CL final for the first time ever, I'd say he throughly deserved the Ballon d'or award.

[SENT OFF]

No he has never dived in his career he falls over in a cultured manner

[Dragonfly]

What's up Stella :rolleyes:

[ATH10]

No, Henry doesn't dive.

The only reason why Cananvaro won the award is because Italy won the World Cup as the captain.

Henry has been robbed off the European/World Player of the Year awards several times.

He definitely deserved to win it this year. Eto'o would be a good shout too, who was fantastic in the Champions League and in La Liga last season. But as Henry had a far bigger impact to Arsenal, leading us to the CL final for the first time ever, I'd say he throughly deserved the Ballon d'or award.

Correct me if i'm wrong but I seem to recall a little diving incident involving Henry and Puyol in the World Cup.

[SENT OFF]

that incident is firmly in my memory aswell

[Jake Small]

The only reason why Cananvaro won the award is because Italy won the World Cup as the captain.

That and he played unbelievably well, led the team well and had a great season too.

[Karaoke29]

No, Henry doesn't dive.

The only reason why Cananvaro won the award is because Italy won the World Cup as the captain.

Henry has been robbed off the European/World Player of the Year awards several times.

He definitely deserved to win it this year. Eto'o would be a good shout too, who was fantastic in the Champions League and in La Liga last season. But as Henry had a far bigger impact to Arsenal, leading us to the CL final for the first time ever, I'd say he throughly deserved the Ballon d'or award.
I agree. Henry deserved to be the European Footballer of the Year for more than one time and he still deserves, I did mention that before and also in the previous season he was brilliant as well. I can't deny it. However, Cannavaro did a lot to Italy and to Juventus and thus he has deserved it this year.

Anyways, these are such opinions and every one is free.

Regarding to what happened to that member in this thread, it is justice which, of course, makes this site better and decent as long as there are decent admins who control it. Thanks and this is much appreciated.

To all Arsenal fans, I'm so sorry for being off topic.

[Canadian, Eh?]

You are completely off topic. I haven't commeted on Henry, I've commented on using the word "cheats". By the way I can't deny that Henry is one of the best strikers I've ever seen. I pick Cannavaro to be the European Footballer of the year and you pick Henry, I mean every one is free to choose what he wants to choose, generally. Even though, this is not the point that I was talking about.


You mean that Cannavaro does dive, while Henry doesn't. No Comment.:huh:

To clarify the dive was meant to mean he ran away from Juventus, as in he dove off the Juventus Serie B train...

Stop looking too far into words, you hoser.

[-Rafa-]

Is stella banned for life?

[Karaoke29]

To clarify the dive was meant to mean he ran away from Juventus, as in he dove off the Juventus Serie B train...

Stop looking too far into words, you hoser.
If Cannavaro wanted to join Real Madrid, so he was free to do. He declared that he wanted to leave and of course this is related to him and this has no relation with Juventus been in Serie A or B, he said that before.

Don't use your inferior slang words again. Only use it if you want to be classified with a specific type of members as you can see.

[Canadian, Eh?]

Haha wow, your threats make me wet my pants...

sod off.

[Nturtle]

Calm down boys...one red card is enough. Let's see how we do against Fulham tonight...hopefully enough to put us in a good mood for Tottenham!

[vanNistelrooy]

Fulham 0-2 Arsenal
Arsenal 2-1 Tottenham
Porto 0-0 Arsenal
Chelsea 3-1 Arsenal

[Rossy Boy]

should be a good win tonight

[Viperized]

Henry, Van Persie and Rosicky are back from injuries. This is absolutely brilliant news. Our attack should be far better now, with Ljungberg, the useless sod, returning to the bench.

Hopefully we'll play this team using 442.

Lehmann
Eboue Toure Senderos Clichy
Hleb Fabregas Gilberto Rosicky
Van Persie Henry

However, Cannavaro did a lot to Italy and to Juventus and thus he has deserved it this year.
Henry scored against Juventus with Cannavaro in defence.

Henry 1-0 Cannavaro.

[Canadian, Eh?]

I must say I am excited to see a Lennon-Clichy match up on the weekend.

However, Robert Pires left...so who will score our goals against Tottenham...

[vanNistelrooy]

Henry scored against Juventus with Cannavaro in defence.

Henry 1-0 Cannavaro.
Cannavaro won the World Cup beating Henry's France in the final.
1-1 + better kicker :tongue:

[Canadian, Eh?]

Cannavaro won the World Cup beating Henry's France in the final.
1-1 + better kicker :tongue:

You're an idiot.

[Rossy Boy]

Hopefully we'll play this team using 442.

Lehmann
Eboue Toure Senderos Clichy
Hleb Fabregas Gilberto Rosicky
Van Persie Henry



or we will play 4-5-1 with RVP on left and the 3 Centre mids Fabregas Gilberto playing defensive the Rosicky

[vanNistelrooy]

You're an idiot.
You're Canadian, I guess that makes it 2-1 to me then! :lol: JOKING

Don't know why you lot are so worried, it's only bloody Fulham!

[Canadian, Eh?]

I wouldn't say I am worried, I am more worried for the next two games.

[vanNistelrooy]

I wouldn't say I am worried, I am more worried for the next two games.
Should you be?

Tottenham

The only thing you should worry about is that it's at The Emirates. If this was at Highbury I'd put you down for a 3-0. But as you struggle to win at your new home I expect a close game, 2-1 maybe.

Porto

Them needing to win to qualify is a real bitch for you, all you need to do though is avoid defeat. Am I right? Haven't checked the table but this is what I thought it was like. Then again we were in the same position when we went to Benfica last year, but you're playing much better football now than we were then, so you'll be fine (I think).

[Joel]

Don't make me angry. UNDERSTOOD?

Don't make you angry? What will you do? Call the mafia?



You're an idiot.

You're Canadian, I guess that makes it 2-1 to me then! :lol: JOKING

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I haven't laughed like this in a long time!

Seems as though all the jokes is happening in here now a days.

With Henry, Van Persie and Rosicky back, you should be able to win the game tonight.

[ThierryHenry14]

we better i think we have a better chance though i think we should be more worried about the next 3 matches tottenham on saturday or sunday then porto then chelsea next saturday or sunday

[Dragonfly]

We're gonna win the league this season. You heard it here first.

[vanNistelrooy]

We're gonna win the league this season. You heard it here first.
:laugh:

[Sully]

:laugh:

.

[Canadian, Eh?]

Which league? ;)

[Viperized]

You're Canadian, I guess that makes it 2-1 to me then! :lol: JOKING

Don't know why you lot are so worried, it's only bloody Fulham!
No one is worried.

I'm confident we'll beat them. And I am not worried about Spurs either. As long as we play 442, I have no worries.

[Canadian, Eh?]

Fabregas rested, Song starts.

[Rossy Boy]

oh god no

[Rambo]

Things are not looking good 2-0 already

[Rossy Boy]

i know i cant belive it we need Gallas back!!!!!!!

[Viperized]

Song is a fucking cunt. Worst footballer ever.

Flamini is a waste of space. Hoyte is shit.

Why the fuck did Wenger select three liabilities?! Why the hell did he rest Eboue, Clichy, Fabregas? How the hell did Song get ahead of Baptista? Wenger's decision making is very questionable, and its not the first time either. Song looks completely lost in midfield.

2-0 to Fulham, and are the first team to outplay us; they currently are.

Bring on Fabregas for Song ffs, and quickly.

Song, Flamini and Hoyte MUST be sold. They are talentless footballers.

[Dragonfly]

We're gonna win the league this season. You heard it here first.

:crymore:

[Rossy Boy]

YAY 2-1 RVP freekick

[Viperized]

Song and Flamini are complete waste of spaces.

edit: 2-1... good..

At least we are back in the game..

[Rossy Boy]

i agree we can get some cash for them (dont know who would buy them though)

[Viperized]

We need to take of Song for Walcott ASAP, and then move Rosicky in CM with Gilberto.

Then take of Flamini for Djourou, moving Toure to RB and Hoyte at LB.

[Rossy Boy]

Fabregas is on for song

[vanNistelrooy]

I heard Merson rip into song on SS1. Then again Merson is a bias cunt who I take everything he says with a pinch of salt.

So you can get a draw out of this, do you think you can win it?

[Rossy Boy]

if we get in our groove we can go on and win it

[BOOKING]

if we get in our groove we can go on and win it

Your groove, your groove, are all the players going to start fucking dancing

[CaptainCabinet]

Welcome back.

[Viperized]

A complete joke of a performance.

Fulham dominated from start to finish. We only had a few shots on target while Fulham had like 17.

Fulham were playing like Arsenal... :/

[BOOKING]

oh and west ham...

[BOOKING]

and man city

[vanNistelrooy]

I like it. SENT OFF now BOOKING. A shame you'll be SENT OFF again!

[Viperized]

hahahahaha like arsenal i believe playing like arsenal involves you losing to bolton and fulham
Hahahahahaha.. no.

You are a cunt. Fuck off and die.

btw who do you support?

[BOOKING]

playing like arsenal is the biggest fucking insult you can muster, that's bringing the game into disrepute, that's worse than saying you all played like cunts so now you deserve to get run over by a steam roller, think that should be the arsed up wankers team talk

[Viperized]

playing like arsenal is the biggest fucking insult you can muster, that's bringing the game into disrepute, that's worse than saying you all played like cunts so now you deserve to get run over by a steam roller, think that should be the arsed up wankers team talk
You must be a spurs fan.

No wonder your idiocy is shining through.

[BOOKING]

now he's calling me a fucking jew, first saying a team play like arsenal, now i'm a jew, you really are on fire tonight

[Viperized]

Cheers.

Arsenal play the most attractive football in the Premiership. If you did have some fucking eyes (to watch the game) you would have noticed Fulham were playing a short-passing game at a high tempo.

[BOOKING]

arsenals football may well look attractive but passing sidewards and getting nosebleeds when you get within 25 yards of the goal or in a crossing position isn't exactly wonderful

[Viperized]

o rly?

You are contradicting yourself there, you moron.

[Cookie]

yes i agree that contradicting yourself is fun

[BOOKING]

please explain how you think i am contradicting myself, i think you've spent the last 10 minutes thinking of a come back and that's the best you could come up with

[CaptainCabinet]

Out of interest who do you support?

[ThierryHenry14]

ahh although we lost listening to it on spn we seemed to of played well but like pure bloody usal we can't finish the godam thing
i still think we have a good chance against spurs but wenger needs to play decent players as a starting 11 some crap players

[BOOKING]

my local team colchester utd

[Viperized]

please explain how you think i am contradicting myself, i think you've spent the last 10 minutes thinking of a come back and that's the best you could come up with
No, not really.

You've admitted it yourself Arsenal play attractive football but then you said our style of play isn't exactly wonderful?

:rolleyes:

[ThierryHenry14]

ha
a. he supports a shit team
b. he has now been fooking sent off

[vanNistelrooy]

Chris Iwelumo is a legend! Scored 4 last night did he not?

[ThierryHenry14]

who see i don't even know any of there players

[Scarface]

In future, just ignore the morons. By replying to them, you're giving them what they want, and are encouraging them to act like cunts.

[ThierryHenry14]

well he's gone now lets get back on with our life's

[Dragonfly]

Are SENT OFF & BOOKING both Stella? Also, why did Stella get sent off, the abuse to another member (I forget his name)?

I get a feeling they're all Stella, and Stella if extremely resentful, coz I've noticed that he's been getting more and more impatient with people on this site, and the site in general.

I might be completely wrong though.

[CaptainCabinet]

I think you are, Stella's one of you...that's my thinking behind it.

[ThierryHenry14]

watch out anyone could be him even you

[Scarface]

No, it's only1franck, who was on a 7 day ban, but now will have that made into a permanent. His mate, Strawberry Jam, can have the same. Smart move, children.

[Pierre]

weak willed and simple minded fans boo there own players....

Its an attittude that makes you feel that it isnt normal for youth players to develop...

I hope Song gets a cheer the next time he plays..

[Rossy Boy]

We need Gallas back badly

[vanNistelrooy]

Yes you do. The final UEFA cup spot is starting to look like a distant dream :tongue:

[Rossy Boy]

We will pull it off in the end and will get in the champions league :ninja:

[vanNistelrooy]

We will pull it off in the end and will get in the champions league :ninja:
So this would be the SECOND season in a row it's been Arsenal having to try qualify for a Champions League place :no: