Arsenal

[Rossy Boy]

was a brilliant take down by Aliadiere think it was Dudeks fault again

[martin_cranie]

ALIADIERE!!!

1-0!!

I'm fucking pissed off though, because I can't watch the damn game. My Sky satellite dish is fucked up.

Weren't you going to stream it? If so, and assuming it works, where from?

[greenegg]

Fowlers goal was a nice finish. Wouldn't mind him down here :w00t

[PEM]

2-1 baptista free kick

[Viperized]

It's 4-1 to Arsenal now.

Weren't you going to stream it? If so, and assuming it works, where from?
stream isn't working.

http://www.live-footy.org/tue9.1/Liverpool_Arsenal.html

[PEM]

arsenal are on fire!

[greenegg]

pro why are you praising a team who are smashing your own team?

[PEM]

pro why are you praising a team who are smashing your own team?


lets get this clear ok!

pro evo master no liverpool fan :( :crymore:
pro evo master yes birmingham fan!:D

[Viperized]

pro why are you praising a team who are smashing your own team?
He probably just likes Arsenal, and he supports Birmingham, not Liverpool.

[vanNistelrooy]

I thought I'd make a post here as Arsenal are now my second team purely because they always smash the Scouse :):)

[PEM]

He probably just likes Arsenal, and he supports Birmingham, not Liverpool.

thank you!:D have some rep and i like arsnal coz they loan all there best youngsters like bentdner and muamba and we will buy s.larrson off them later!

[PEM]

I thought I'd make a post here as Arsenal are now my second team purely because they always smash the Scouse :):)

vn's in the house now we have a party! all we need now is -rafa- and then the flames start!

[vanNistelrooy]

Your kids, your kids, are smashing them to bits! Arsenal, Arsenal!

:D

[martin_cranie]

stream isn't working.

http://www.live-footy.org/tue9.1/Liverpool_Arsenal.html

I was trying to use that site as well. There are 3 other links on the page before that are supposedly working. You have to download things to get them going though, and as my virus subscription ran out yesterday, I won't be risking it.

[Viperized]

Baptista missed a penalty.

Could've been 5.

[vanNistelrooy]

Julio :)

[PEM]

Julio :)


u got ur 5-1
bappa

[vanNistelrooy]

We want 6, we want 6.

[Viperized]

5-1. Baptista!!! Hat-trick.

Sky just had to fuck up today, didn't it?

[PEM]

We want 6, we want 6.

oooooooo good chant

we want 6 !
we want 6!

[PEM]

5-2 crap

[Canadian, Eh?]

A stream on PPMate is working.

5-2 now.

[Viperized]

Arsenal 5-2 Liverpool.

Gerrard scores.

[vanNistelrooy]

Gerrard's a prick.

How bad was the Gonzalez incident?

[Viperized]

He's got a deep scar on his ankle, and has apparently broken it.

[vanNistelrooy]

Shame it wasn't Gerrard.

Garcia injured now.

[PEM]

Shame it wasn't Gerrard.

Garcia injured now.

shame it wasent dudek......................... wait it would be a good thing if dudek got injured sorry lets stick with yours................

[vanNistelrooy]

Don't burn Dudek, I think he should be their number 1. Good penalty save.

[Viperized]

:laugh:

[PEM]

yeah but, he has good leting in goals for arsenal so arsenal will pay him skills, 1 save dont make 11 goals dissapear 12 do, but still better than raina remeber that goal when raina thumbled it and then aj headerd it in clasic

[Yi-Long]

Lee can't even get in the Sp*rs side.

Hmmm... that's weird, cause back at PSV he was easily one of the best players that year in the Eredivisie, and was just a very very good player, who defended very well, and also put in lots of GOOD crosses.

Didn't he also pretty much play most of the games last season for T'ham?

I have no idea then why Jol isnt fielding him. He isnt injured, is he?

Anyway, I always felt he was an excellent player. A shame to hear he now doesnt play that often anymore...

edit: Ow yeah... I was just slacking Baptista for not having shown anything yet since joining Arsenal, and he goes on and scores 3 against Liverpool. What a tosser(!) :P

[vanNistelrooy]

yeah but good leting in goal for arsenal so arsenal will pay me skills 1 save dont make 11 goals dissapear!
I was being sarcastic. I'm not sure if you noticed? I find it really difficult to make sense of your posts.

[PEM]

I was being sarcastic. I'm not sure if you noticed? I find it really difficult to make sense of your posts.


i know sorry my english is poor i know but so was i so...........

[Viperized]

5-3 now.

[vanNistelrooy]

i know sorry my english is poor i know but so was i so...........
Well you are from Birmingham, so I understand.

[ThierryHenry14]

whats the score

[Viperized]

5-3 to Arsenal.

[PEM]

hey! i take offence to that! hyypia nooooooooooo!

[Viperized]

6-3!!!

Four goals for Baptista. Sp*rs, here we come!

[vanNistelrooy]

Hahahaha.

[ThierryHenry14]

5-3 to arsenal whey bloody hey

[ThierryHenry14]

5-3 to arsenal whey bloody hey
baptista with a hat-trick

[PEM]

6-3!!!



now

[BlueScouse]

Over the moon with that result! Surprised though, had a gut feeling Liverpool where gonna win tonight. 3-0 to the Gunners so far this season, lets hope you can do it again in the league meeting at Analfield.

[PEM]

4 bapa

[Viperized]

Full time:

Arsenal 6-3 Liverpool.

I can't wait until I see the goals. All goals scored today sound like they were worth watching.

Its true Liverpool have fielded a weakened side, but we fielded a bunch of kids today.

[pistolpete]

Wow what a result for us - apparently Liverpool were awful.

Listened to the game on radio, how comes every time i listen to or watch a game i get Mark Lawrenson?!

Ive not got skysports so anyone got the goals? Yes i know its only just finished.

Congratulations to the team today, top drawer.

Maybe we should move Anfield down to North London, were better there than at Emirates!

[greenegg]

Great match and can we loan in a few of your youth please. Thank you.

[vanNistelrooy]

Yep. That's Liverpool's season over. If they can't beat a bunch of kids I doubt they'll turn Barca over. Then again this is football, so I wouldn't be surprised if they did somehow!

Gerrard's was easily the best. Baptista's free kick was good, but Dudek fucked up. Aliadiere did great for the last goal.

[ThierryHenry14]

6-3
great result can we make it 4 out of 4 wins against liverpool next time in the premiership

[Rossy Boy]

Aliadiere was the best player on the pitch imo

[vanNistelrooy]

6-3
great result can we make it 4 out of 4 wins against liverpool next time in the premiership
Of course you can, it's only at Analfield.

[PEM]

Great match and can we loan in a few of your youth please. Thank you.

cant b ham are taking them!

[ThierryHenry14]

can't wait until my dad gets home cause he supports the pool and so do some of my friends at school

[PEM]

Analfield.


and people say i can't spell

[Joel]

Yep. That's Liverpool's season over. If they can't beat a bunch of kids I doubt they'll turn Barca over. Then again this is football, so I wouldn't be surprised if they did somehow!


You know how those cunts act on big European nights...

[Viperized]

Liverpool fans:

"Rafa has lost the plot. sack him!"
"Absolutely disgraceful performance. Benitez is to blame."

etc.

[martin_cranie]

I can't wait until I see the goals. All goals scored today sound like they were worth watching.

Its true Liverpool have fielded a weakened side, but we fielded a bunch of kids today.

You and me both! :)

Liverpool only had 4 truly 'reserve' players in their whole squad from what I know, whereas all but 4 of our squad was reserve or fringe at best. Not to mention that Anfield has undoubtedly the best atmosphere in the Premiership. Our kids and fringe players took it on and brushed it aside.

Very, very pleasing.

[greenegg]

cant b ham are taking them!

:huh:

[PEM]

Liverpool fans:

"Rafa has lost the plot. sack him!"
"Absolutely disgraceful performance. Benitez is to blame."

etc.

ive been saying that all the time!

[vanNistelrooy]

and people say i can't spell
:no: Nevermind

[wrigh2uk]

Can see the back of the papers now :

Liverpool Baptisted

[vanNistelrooy]

Can see the back of the papers now :

Liverpool Baptisted
Shame you're rep is disabled, you'd have some from me for that!

Very nice :cool:

[Canadian, Eh?]

Great goal by Gerrard, only thing good from the night for Liverpool.

What a long ball display by Fabregas. And Baptista nut megging someone at the end was also great.

[Jonno394]

Lol what a game; stick that up your pipe rafalutionary!!!!!

That was for Luton and Birmingham!!!

[Jonny2J]

You and me both! :)

Liverpool only had 4 truly 'reserve' players in their whole squad from what I know, whereas all but 4 of our squad was reserve or fringe at best. Not to mention that Anfield has undoubtedly the best atmosphere in the Premiership. Our kids and fringe players took it on and brushed it aside.

Very, very pleasing.What Anfield is this then? ;)

[Jonno394]

What Anfield is this then? ;)

The one that isn't in Liverpool and filled with morons.

[martin_cranie]

What Anfield is this then? ;)

I've never been, but I think I'm right. :tongue:

[Jonny2J]

I've never been, but I think I'm right. :tongue:On this occasion Mr Cranie I think you are wrong, the atmosphere at Anfield is pretty shite.

[GG1]

Well done Arsenal. As a united fan it's been fun watching you destroy the scousers twice in 4 days.

Tomas Rosicky is class you gooners are lucky to have him.

[martin_cranie]

I certainly could be wrong, but going on what I see week in week out in the Premiership (on the tv of course), I believe that when the Anfield massive get going, the noise they generate, and the longevity of it, is unparalleled.

[Jonny2J]

I certainly could be wrong, but going on what I see week in week out in the Premiership (on the tv of course), I believe that when the Anfield massive get going, the noise they generate, and the longevity of it, is unparalleled.They rarely get going though being my point, when we played them earlier on this season the atmosphere was probably the worst away ground we've been too.

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

On this occasion Mr Cranie I think you are wrong, the atmosphere at Anfield is pretty shite.

How many teams would be sang off the field after watching that shite?

End of the day lad I knew we were gonna get twatted as soon I saw the team sheet.

Dudek in goal ? He shouldn't even be at the club anymore. Istanbul and all that fair enough but time waits for no man.

Hyypia is in his last season.

Paletta as my mate said got a pure culture shock.

Peltier was alright but he isn't ready for the big time.

Gonzalez as I have said over and over is the stupidest player in the league.

Guthrie IS NOT A CENTRAL MIDFIELDER, LET ALONE A DEFENSIVE ONE!

Gerrard can not play without a defensive midfielder, it just does not work!

Aurelio is NOT NOR HAS HE EVER BEEN A RIGHT WINGER !

Bellamy is quality but with the shite he had to work with today he never had a prayer and he had a very poor game.

Fowler still has the finishes but come on he has no pace and he holds the ball FAR too long.

Benitez was shocking tonight, his subs were pathetic and this was an embarrasing night for the club.

All that said as the KOP clearly sang You'll Never Walk Alone.

Oh and as much respect as I have for Wenger and the Football and players their fans are about as classy as Chelski.

Oh and that fat alchy Merson can suck my dick, who the fuck is he to laugh at Liverpool beating Barca. Benitez has a very good record in both Europe and against Barca and he also has won a European Cup with a MUCH worse squad.

[Jonny2J]

How many teams would be sang off the field after watching that shite?

I've even heard you say how bad the atmosphere is at Anfield nowadays.

[vanNistelrooy]

How many teams would be sang off the field after watching that shite?
Never got anything good to sing about though have you?

Only messin'.

Can yous beat Barca then?

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

I've even heard you say how bad the atmosphere is at Anfield nowadays.

When it is at it's best no where comes close but like I said it isn't always so.

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

Never got anything good to sing about though have you?

Only messin'.

Can yous beat Barca then?

Yes.

[vanNistelrooy]

When it is at it's best no where comes close but like I said it isn't always so.


Says the guy that's visited every football ground in the world :)

Who's Rafa gonna bring in then? You need a couple of players. Then again the quality of player you need will probably be cup tied for Europe, which is all you have left to play for. Well I suppose 3rd/4th place but one of them should be yours easy.

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

Says the guy that's visited every football ground in the world :)

Who's Rafa gonna bring in then? You need a couple of players. Then again the quality of player you need will probably be cup tied for Europe, which is all you have left to play for. Well I suppose 3rd/4th place but one of them should be yours easy.

Players we bring in have to be LEFT FOOTED! We need a Left back and a Left Winger more than anything.

[vanNistelrooy]

Well Gonzalez (although he's not good enough anyway) will probably be out for a while. Aurellio doesn't seem good enough.

Who'd you like in?

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

Well Gonzalez (although he's not good enough anyway) will probably be out for a while. Aurellio doesn't seem good enough.

Who'd you like in?

No idea. Baines would be quality at Left Back. No idea for Left Wing.

[PEM]

nice sub name vn "scousers "baptised" very clever

[pistolpete]

Maybe Benitez should try to get some of our youngsters on loan!

[PEM]

Maybe Benitez should try to get some of our youngsters on loan!

we have got 2 of your best

[kallum]

:shocking:

I was really expecting a defeat too...

Great, great result. Made up for Baptista:w00t

Ahh...

College is going to be a ball tomorow. Silent Scousers- nothing beats it.

[pistolpete]

we have got 2 of your best

who do you mean?

Doubt the scousers will be quiet tomorrow, ive already had a few texts talkibg about how many times they have won the European cup compared to us!

[PEM]

bentdner,muamba

[pistolpete]

Oh Birmingham i thought you ment Liverpool!

Yeah Bentdner looks like he will be a great player, not heard much of Muamba.

How is Larsen doing?

[PEM]

Oh Birmingham i thought you ment Liverpool!

Yeah Bentdner looks like he will be a great player, not heard much of Muamba.

How is Larsen doing?

i dont support liverpool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

oh and larrson may sign for a perminate deal, muamba is probabily going to be the next viera world class dm

[Rambo]

Well done, you guys were excellent, although I wont be suprised if you dropped points in your next match, only joking.

Just one questiong where does Denilson play? I was suprised that Denilson was playing on the left as I thought he was a DMF.

[Viperized]

Yeah, Denilson is a defensive midfielder, but the fact he was playing so well out of position is very, very impressive.

[mufcsean]

Great game, baptista was awesome, best performance yet in Arsenal colours

[Talyn]

Can we have Baptista back now? :D

[pistolpete]

No - Youve got Reyes - the opposite end of the strength scale.

[martin_cranie]

muamba is probabily going to be the next viera world class dm

I've heard he's good, but do you really think he can be that good?

[Canadian, Eh?]

Just one questiong where does Denilson play? I was suprised that Denilson was playing on the left as I thought he was a DMF.

Meh Kolo Toure was also a midfielder at once. ;)

[Ronaldo_is_fat]

It seems that Aliadiere had a good game scored one and created the sixth goal. The Scouse's defense are sucking balls, they are being out muscled by this lad and not to mention conceding six goals at home.

THE BEAST IS UNLEASHED!!!!!!!!

EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCbjuHvhOoI <---- Baptista's panna

[mufcsean]

cheeky bugger

[-Rafa-]

I didn't know that fat guy Baptista could even play football :ninja:

[Ronaldo_is_fat]

I didn't know that fat guy Baptista could even play football :ninja:

Frankly, he totally demolished the whole Liverpool side so it is unjustified to say that he can't play at all.

[-Rafa-]

Frankly, he totally demolished the whole Liverpool side so it is unjustified to say that he can't play at all.
I wasn't being serious, but I didn't think he is that good, even though he smashed us.

[Ronaldo_is_fat]

I wasn't being serious, but I didn't think he is that good, even though he smashed us.

;)

[-Rafa-]

;)
He's still fat though :ninja:

[Jonny2J]

He's still fat though :ninja:He looks like he's built like a boxer man, no fatness at all.

[-Rafa-]

He looks like he's built like a boxer man, no fatness at all.
Can he box better then Luis Fabiano?

[Jonny2J]

Can he box better then Luis Fabiano?I'll let you be the judge of that. ;)

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/8161/flamencasoz2.jpg

[pistolpete]

Just seen 3 of the goals from last night on the news, would be nice to see the rest - anyone know where i can find them? link?

[-Rafa-]

I'll let you be the judge of that. ;)

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/8161/flamencasoz2.jpg
:laugh:

[Jonny2J]

It must be so frustrating being an Arsenal fan when Liverpool haven't been able to live with you in the past two games yet go to places like Sheffield United and you get beat.

Glad for The Beast as I'm a huge fan of his and given time he can be a fantastic asset not just to Arsenal but to this league as a whole.

[Stella Artois]

Baptista transformed from a lame duck back to The Beast in one glorious performance last night - keep it up!

Aliadiere was easily the best player on the park and I enjoyed seeing Cesc keep Mr. MBE in his back pocket. Highly entertaining!

The future's bright, the future's Arsenal.

Jonny, were referee's to do their duty, we wouldn't suffer away to those sort of teams.

[calculus]

Now I know our futures bright we just need to follow it up next week and the week after that and so on and so forth! I would like a steam roller end to the season!:cool:

[Dragonfly]

Just seen 3 of the goals from last night on the news, would be nice to see the rest - anyone know where i can find them? link?

It'll be on ITV1 tonight, about 11pm.

But if you're not from the UK, it'll appear on YouTube soon, or someone will post a link from soccerblog.com (not sure of site name).

[pistolpete]

Oh it wasnt that hard to find,
All the goals and the penalty are here
http://www.soccerblog.com/

Great football, especially Aliadiere and Baptista, look a good pairing.

[Rambo]

I wonder who Wenger is going to choose to play next with Henry...

[calculus]

I wonder who Wenger is going to choose to play next with Henry...

RvP:cool:

[nikos24]

I thought I was watching a replay of the Liverpool-Arsenal FA Cup game last night, but when I saw the scoreline at 2-5, what the?!? To win two times straight in Anfield is significant, but to score 9 goals within two games against the same team is something spectacular. Benitez undone again. 6-3! :mellow:

[calculus]

I thought I was watching a replay of the Liverpool-Arsenal FA Cup game last night, but when I saw the scoreline at 2-5, what the?!? To win two times straight in Anfield is significant, but to score 9 goals within two games against the same team is something spectacular. Benitez undone again. 6-3! :mellow:

The first time Liverpool have lost at home this season and it happens twice!

[Jonno394]

I was hoping for headlines close to 'Beast Breaks in Liverpool Yougnsters'.

[PEM]

I've heard he's good, but do you really think he can be that good?


oh yes he is really good at such a young age he can oly improve if he stays at the right club i.e arsenal,(birmingham:D)

[Jonno394]

The fact is, Bendtner may have talent, but he has the Julian Gray attitude whereby when things aren't going like he wants, he appears disinterested, is unwilling to change his play style and basically looks like he doesnt wanna be on the pitch.

Bright Talent, but oft times laziness creeps in imho.

[PEM]

The fact is, Bendtner may have talent, but he has the Julian Gray attitude whereby when things aren't going like he wants, he appears disinterested, is unwilling to change his play style and basically looks like he doesnt wanna be on the pitch.

Bright Talent, but oft times laziness creeps in imho.

vert true but seb and muamba are still class

[Stella Artois]

The fact is, Bendtner may have talent, but he has the Julian Gray attitude whereby when things aren't going like he wants, he appears disinterested, is unwilling to change his play style and basically looks like he doesnt wanna be on the pitch.

Bright Talent, but oft times laziness creeps in imho.

I'd say he's pretty arrogant as well. I've read a number of interviews where he seemingly believes he'll just walk into the side once his loan is over.

I can't say he's won me over yet.

[PEM]

I'll let you be the judge of that. ;)

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/8161/flamencasoz2.jpg

have a look at the man in the backgroung with the helmet he looks like he is going to save the day like superman!

[Stella Artois]

A helmet? That's his hair you pleb.

[PEM]

no hes holding one

[Stella Artois]

Whatever you're on, I want some.

He's holding the ball.

[PEM]

thats a ball? im on pixy sticks

[Stella Artois]

Yes, you know, the thing you play football with?

Christ, let's keep this Arsenal-related, shall we?

[calculus]

Arsenal have had some amazing left wingers over the years but now we dont have 1! I think thats the only thing we need to add to our squad!

[PEM]

ok arsenal beat liverpool 6-3 in the carling cup

[Dragonfly]

Arsenal have had some amazing left wingers over the years but now we dont have 1! I think thats the only thing we need to add to our squad!

Henry, maybe? It's a long shot, but maybe we could play him on the left as part of a front 3.

[Stella Artois]

I don't think we've ever had an out and out winger since Overmars. Freddie and Pires always tended to drift inside as opposed to skinning their men on the outside.

Interesting selection dilemma coming up. Do we reward Baptista or allow Van Persie to continue his brilliant record against Blackburn?

[Viperized]

I'd rather not.

Rosicky has looked fine on the left anyway.

[calculus]

I don't think we've ever had an out and out winger since Overmars. Freddie and Pires always tended to drift inside as opposed to skinning their men on the outside.

Interesting selection dilemma coming up. Do we reward Baptista or allow Van Persie to continue his brilliant record against Blackburn?

I think Pires you could class pires as a winger not ljungberg though hes a wide man! And pires could skin players remember Gerarrd at anfield when we had 10 men in a 2-1 victory!

And I would go with RvP and Henry upfront no doubt, I almost forgot about Adebayor after yesterdays mauling:cool:

I'd rather not.

Rosicky has looked fine on the left anyway.

Yeah your probably right I'm being picky, he can play that sort of wideman out to in play maker role with clichy pushing forward!

[calculus]

:realmad: Alright why is it whenever I click on a topic in the football forum I see Stella Artois' avatar its freaking me out a bit!

[ATH10]

The Beast? He wears gloves for fuck's sake.

[Bammers05]

I don't think we've ever had an out and out winger since Overmars.

José Reyes?

Also I'd just like to point out to everyone that are aggregate score of all the matches we've played against Liverpool, this season, is 12-4:laugh:

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

oooooooo good chant

we want 6 !
we want 6!

Ooooo we got 7, we got 7.

[PEM]

Ooooo we got 7, we got 7.


stop living in the past mate this is 2007 and u lost 3-1 and 6-3 do the maths and it is 9-4 in 3 hours of football another 3 hourd and it will be 18-8!

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

stop living in the past mate this is 2007 and u lost 3-1 and 6-3 do the maths and it is 9-4 in 3 hours of football another 3 hourd and it will be 18-8!

Neither of those results had fuck all to do with you so stop living off other teams results you blert.

Our past is OUR PAST.

[Stella Artois]

I wondered when you'd come a-knocking Rafa.

Not been hiding have you?

José Reyes?

Also I'd just like to point out to everyone that are aggregate score of all the matches we've played against Liverpool, this season, is 12-4:laugh:

Reyes couldn't beat a man to save his life. Spent half the games we played on the floor.

[Yi-Long]

José Reyes?



reyes has never been a winger. Wenger played him there occasionally (or, left midfield with instructions to go deep), but the guy just isnt a winger. He's a forward, and nothing else. It's a bit of a shame for him that Wenger played him out of his natural position so often. It means he cant show the things he's good at, and we didnt get many chances to see how good Reyes could be...

Anyway, like I said before. Dutch media is reporting that Arsenal is interested in taking over Ryan Babel from Ajax, who often plays on the left wing (although he personally much prefers to be the striker, but right now Huntelaar has that position...), so that could be your left winger right there...

[PEM]

Neither of those results had fuck all to do with you so stop living off other teams results you blert.

Our past is OUR PAST.

ok calm down i will stop because i dont want to get into another arguement so here it goes

liverpool are not rubbish they are a good team when they put there mind in the zone,for e.g like in the champions league and also against bolton.

[Stella Artois]

Reyes was took weak to play upfront for us. Fact is, now he's gone, I'd freely admit he was an absolute cheat. He always went down trying to get fouls when the contact was minimal.

[Viperized]

Ryan Babel is shit.

[vanNistelrooy]

Reyes was took weak to play upfront for us. Fact is, now he's gone, I'd freely admit he was an absolute cheat. He always went down trying to get fouls when the contact was minimal.
He's still owned by Arsenal you know ;)

[Stella Artois]

He's owned by us in a contractual sense, but the only time he'll ever return here is to collect his things and piss off back to Spain.

[vanNistelrooy]

I'd wait till then to say what you did then ;) Shit can still hit the fan.

Lost your Veteran status already???

[Stella Artois]

He will never play for us again. No Arsenal fan would want him back and Rosicky's miles better.

I asked for it to be removed. It's not the be all and end all you know.

[JoeyM]

Reyes was took weak to play upfront for us. Fact is, now he's gone, I'd freely admit he was an absolute cheat. He always went down trying to get fouls when the contact was minimal.

I think the image of Reyes sitting on his arse with a sly smile on his face right after falling over is forever burned in my memory.

http://www.manoramaonline.com/portal/MM_Photo_Galleries/Sports/Fifa_World_Cup_06/002_1.jpg

[Stella Artois]

Normally its ear-to-ear, that picture doesn't do it justice!

[Viperized]

I think the image of Reyes sitting on his arse with a sly smile on his face right after falling over is forever burned in my memory.

http://www.manoramaonline.com/portal/MM_Photo_Galleries/Sports/Fifa_World_Cup_06/002_1.jpg
Reminds me of Ljungberg.

No, seriously.

Ljungberg couldn't beat his marker to save his life. There would be a 99% chance of Ljungberg doing 'The Reyes'.

[vanNistelrooy]

I asked for it to be removed. It's not the be all and end all you know.

I know it isn't, I was just curious to see if you'd lost it in record time ;)

[Stella Artois]

Last time they gave it to me, I lost it that day. ;)

[Canadian, Eh?]

People seem to forget how many goals Reyes has set up over the past few years for us. Much better long ball player than Rosicky or Hleb.

But a diving cheat, well he was also that.

[Rossy Boy]

Yeah he was in most of our attacks and usually had something to do with them

[Ronaldo_is_fat]

We are not a team which uses the width of wingers. We never play crosses as it was never our style. Pires and Ljungberg are attacking midfielders, never a winger easy as that.

It seems to me that Hleb is not penetrable enough on the flank. He cuts in too oftenly or rather passes the ball to the middle. His style doesn't suit our game against the weaker teams, as they'll play like ten men behind the ball. He often causes the team to suffer from the loss of posession and slow down our tempo.

Is Hleb right footed or left footed? I thought Hleb was right footed from PES but he to be a left footed player in real game.

[MZagallo]

But a diving cheat, well he was also that.

I doubt it if you are Arsenal supporters, you lot!!! To call Reyes cheat for "diving", seems to me you lot dont know about football or your memories are short-lived!!! Have you lot forgot about that famous and outrageous 49 games unbeaten run, that came to an end because of 2 things; The f*cking cheat referee that allowed that Gary f*ckin Neville cant play football shit player, to kick and kick again Reyes out of that game??? and that diving cheat f*cking jacket potato face Rooney to dive for a penalti??? You need to take a long and hard look at yourselves.

[Ronaldo_is_fat]

I doubt it if you are Arsenal supporters, you lot!!! To call Reyes cheat for "diving", seems to me you lot dont know about football or your memories are short-lived!!! Have you lot forgot about that famous and outrageous 49 games unbeaten run, that came to an end because of 2 things; The f*cking cheat referee that allowed that Gary f*ckin Neville cant play football shit player, to kick and kick again Reyes out of that game??? and that diving cheat f*cking jacket potato face Rooney to dive for a penalti??? You need to take a long and hard look at yourselves.

A reminder Reyes showed a glimpse of his talent during the start of that season for a short period of time. Sadly, he was never the player again after the Manutd game. It was the old Arsenal team which contributed to the record and made it possible. Reyes had a tiny contribution when he was playing like an untouchable that we managed to overcome Middlesbrough at home. A small refreshment, Reyes has the potential and WAS good but was too mentally weak to be successful.

[MZagallo]

A reminder Reyes showed a glimpse of his talent during the start of that season for a short period of time. Sadly, he was never the player again after the Manutd game. It was the old Arsenal team which contributed to the record and made it possible. Reyes had a tiny contribution when he was playing like an untouchable that we managed to overcome Middlesbrough at home. A small refreshment, Reyes has the potential and WAS good but was too mentally weak to be successful.

How do you know he was mentally weak?? have you measured that? using what? You are talking like those pricks from Gillete soccer saturday!!!
He said the other day in spanish tv,it was after that game that he decided he was going back to Spain, cos he had enough of defenders just trying to kick ,punch and elbow and referees watching and allowing it to happen. Then the supporters come down on him saying he was a diver. Go to a football pitch and see if you can play proper football while being kicked and tackled from behind like Neville did, without even being yellow carded, and see how you react?! Thats why managers are asking for protection for skillfull players like Wenger( complaining against Sheffield U , Morgan punches Van Persie and then here we go again calling Arsenal cry babies), and Ferguson for C Ronaldo. Personally I dont even think protection is the word cos it leaves it open for people to think it is an advantage, the referee just need to aplly the rules, thats it!!!

[Ronaldo_is_fat]

How do you know he was mentally weak?? have you measured that? using what? You are talking like those pricks from Gillete soccer saturday!!!
He said the other day in spanish tv,it was after that game that he decided he was going back to Spain, cos he had enough of defenders just trying to kick ,punch and elbow and referees watching and allowing it to happen. Then the supporters come down on him saying he was a diver. Go to a football pitch and see if you can play proper football while being kicked and tackled from behind like Neville did, without even being yellow carded, and see how you react?! Thats why managers are asking for protection for skillfull players like Wenger( complaining against Sheffield U , Morgan punches Van Persie and then here we go again calling Arsenal cry babies), and Ferguson for C Ronaldo. Personally I dont even think protection is the word cos it leaves it open for people to think it is an advantage, the referee just need to aplly the rules, thats it!!!

As a matter of fact, I never opened up his brian and measured it myself. But don't you see that Reyes never stopped whining and crying about how hard the Premiership was and how much he wanted to go back to Spain, whereas Van Persie never wanked about going back to Holland even though he was punched twice already, don't tell me that Reyes is more skillful and such. From the response you written it seems that the idea is skillful players are destined not to be successful because of the referee. Look here, inorder for a player to be successful he has to overcome these obstacles. Explain why Ronaldo a more skillful player than Reyes is able to become so successful? Ronaldo as much as I hate to say has become a better player than Reyes all because he is able to cope with the physicalness of the Premiership and is able to endure the labels of calling him a cheat.

[MZagallo]

As a matter of fact, I never opened up his brian and measured it myself. But don't you see that Reyes never stopped whining and crying about how hard the Premiership was and how much he wanted to go back to Spain, whereas Van Persie never wanked about going back to Holland even though he was punched twice already, don't tell me that Reyes is more skillful and such. From the response you written it seems that the idea is skillful players are destined not to be successful because of the referee. Look here, inorder for a player to be successful he has to overcome these obstacles. Explain why Ronaldo a more skillful player than Reyes is able to become so successful? Ronaldo as much as I hate to say has become a better player than Reyes all because he is able to cope with the physicalness of the Premiership and is able to endure the labels of calling him a cheat.
1st ,he never complained about going back, and please dont follow the newspapers
2 Ronaldo role at Man U is a more proeminent one that Reyes had, and hence his development as such, not because of overcoming any physical barrier,plus a different attacking approach by Arsenal, and dont forget Man U get referees decisions that us at Arsenal would have just to dream about.

[-Rafa-]

Man U get referees decisions that us at Arsenal would have just to dream about.
:rolleyes:

[Talyn]

But don't you see that Reyes never stopped whining and crying about how hard the Premiership was and how much he wanted to go back to Spain

That was his excuse, the real reason he didn’t want to stay in the Premiership was that he didn’t want to stay in England. Reyes as we know, had great difficulties (Understatement of the year) speaking and understanding English. Now wither or not he actually tried or not isn’t the issue but it would have affected his everyday life which in turn would reap psychological trauma/stress. I think he would have done just about anything to get shipped back to Spain. Maybe even not playing to his full potential?

[Dundon's]

People seem to forget how many goals Reyes has set up over the past few years for us. Much better long ball player than Rosicky or Hleb.

But a diving cheat, well he was also that.


Let it go dude,Reyes was a flop, I can't even remember the amount of times he didn't finish a full 90 minutes for us, must be near 80% of the games he started anyways at least. Hleb and Rosicky are world class mate, you seen that in the champions league last season with Hleb and Rosicky doesn't even need comment, you don't know how long the gunners needed a player that can belt one in from outside the box in tight games,plus the fact that they can do it on the international stage too.

Now what about us scoring 12 goals in 3 games against the pool this season, I just wish we could play them every week. :)

I remember a time when we couldn't even take a point off them. :laugh:

[Canadian, Eh?]

We saw Rosicky in the Champions League last season? Thats news to me ;)

[Ronaldo_is_fat]

1st ,he never complained about going back, and please dont follow the newspapers
2 Ronaldo role at Man U is a more proeminent one that Reyes had, and hence his development as such, not because of overcoming any physical barrier,plus a different attacking approach by Arsenal, and dont forget Man U get referees decisions that us at Arsenal would have just to dream about.

It is no use to continue this as your arguments are based on complete imagination.

[Viperized]

We saw Rosicky in the Champions League last season? Thats news to me ;)
He was talking about Hleb.

'Rosicky doesn't even need a comment' is what he meant.

[calculus]

Does anyone think we really need Ribery? And is the reason we selling Ljungberg because of his relationshop or lack of it with RvP according to Cashley?

[Viperized]

If we sell Ljungberg a winger must be brought in.

We can't have another player leaving without a replacement, and Ribery seems to be the most realistic signing. I can't think of many other quality wingers who we are able to buy.

[calculus]

If we sell Ljungberg a winger must be brought in.

We can't have another player leaving without a replacement, and Ribery seems to be the most realistic signing. I can't think of many other quality wingers who we are able to buy.

I said I thought we needed a left winger but then I have a feeling that we are alright with the squad we have! We lost to much experience to fast and thats why I think we started so badly but now the team has gained some good experience which will improve the team I dont want a case of squad saturation!

[Bammers05]

Does anyone think we really need Ribery? And is the reason we selling Ljungberg because of his relationshop or lack of it with RvP according to Cashley?

While I think that Ribery would fit in well at Arsenal, it has to be said that we don't really need him that much after seeing the game against Liverpool:cool:

Also, Wenger has stated that he did not tell Freddie Ljungberg to leave and as for him having a bad relationship with RVP, well, I wouldn't trust too much of what Cashley says:ninja:

[calculus]

While I think that Ribery would fit in well at Arsenal, it has to be said that we don't really need him that much after seeing the game against Liverpool:cool:

Also, Wenger has stated that he did not tell Freddie Ljungberg to leave and as for him having a bad relationship with RVP, well, I wouldn't trust too much of what Cashley says:ninja:

So whats the update with Freddie?

[Bammers05]

I heard that Freddy was was staying somewhere and also, there is this from the Arsenal website

Arsène Wenger has responded to media reports about Freddie Ljungberg's future by insisting that the Swedish midfielder still has "a lot to offer" at Arsenal.

"There has been much speculation about Freddie Ljungberg in the media over the last few days," Wenger told Arsenal.com, "but given his dedication and contribution to the team's success since joining the Club I feel it is important to state that Freddie is a valuable member of our squad.

"Although I can't predict the future, Freddie's experience and winner's attitude means he still has a lot to offer us."

Source: http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?thisNav=News&article=440795&lid=NewsHeadline&Title=Wenger+-+Ljungberg+still+has+%27a+lot+ to+offer+us%27

[greenegg]

Michael Jackson has employed Benitez as his new manager. He said he wants to get spanked at home by 11 kids :laugh:

Posted this 3 times already but in case you happy Gooners miss it.

[Canadian, Eh?]

He was talking about Hleb.

'Rosicky doesn't even need a comment' is what he meant.

I stand corrected

[calculus]

Michael Jackson has employed Benitez as his new manager. He said he wants to get spanked at home by 11 kids :laugh:

Posted this 3 times already but in case you happy Gooners miss it.

:laugh:

[Rossy Boy]

Michael Jackson has employed Benitez as his new manager. He said he wants to get spanked at home by 11 kids :laugh:

Posted this 3 times already but in case you happy Gooners miss it.

:laugh: love it greenegg;)

[Ronaldo_is_fat]

Good news Adebayor is back in the squad against Blackburn. Now Wenger has a difficult decision to make in the striker partnership.

[pistolpete]

bbc sport football - gossip.

Arsenal defender Lauren, whose contract is up in the summer, has held talks with West Ham. (Daily Mirror)

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger axed Freddie Ljungberg after learning the Swede had joined a Hollywood talent agency. (Daily Mirror)

All th ebest to Lauren if he does leave, il miss his attacking down the right and tough tackling especially against ManUre.

Also shoving Van Nistelrooy, and this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKohHsaADeI
lol!

I remember in the FA cup final he did a similar thing to Ronaldo and then grabbed him by the throat as if he'd dived!!!

[calculus]

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger axed Freddie Ljungberg after learning the Swede had joined a Hollywood talent agency. (Daily Mirror)


Didnt Wenger already say that Ljungberg is a valuable member of the squad?

[martin_cranie]

bbc sport football - gossip.

Arsenal defender Lauren, whose contract is up in the summer, has held talks with West Ham. (Daily Mirror)

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger axed Freddie Ljungberg after learning the Swede had joined a Hollywood talent agency. (Daily Mirror)

All th ebest to Lauren if he does leave, il miss his attacking down the right and tough tackling especially against ManUre.

I don't see the point in getting rid of Ljungberg, and letting Lauren go would be an even bigger mistake. Eboue needs Lauren to push him forwards, as there's no way Justin Hoyte is going to do it.

[Jonny2J]

I don't see the point in getting rid of Ljungberg, and letting Lauren go would be an even bigger mistake. Eboue needs Lauren to push him forwards, as there's no way Justin Hoyte is going to do it.Was hoping we'd have made some noise about Lauren pre-January but since Solano's been outstanding at right-back I can see why not.

[martin_cranie]

Was hoping we'd have made some noise about Lauren pre-January but since Solano's been outstanding at right-back I can see why not.

I've only really seen him in the ManYoo game, and he looked pretty solid. I guess you'd rather get Bridge though, which is understandable.

[Jonny2J]

I've only really seen him in the ManYoo game, and he looked pretty solid. I guess you'd rather get Bridge though, which is understandable.It's not just the fact he's solid, it's his brain as well and his obvious technique and ability on the ball. Makes a change we've got someone who can play it out from the back and makes the right decisions instead of just hitting it up field at every opportunity, he also appears to be a calming influence on the lads around him.

[calculus]

I've only really seen him in the ManYoo game, and he looked pretty solid. I guess you'd rather get Bridge though, which is understandable.


They wont get Bridge! And on Lauren we have Eboue, Hoyte, Lauren, Gilbert, Gallas can play there if needed I think we are pretty covered at right back I think we are a bit short left side though when you think about it because you really wouldnt want Gallas left back unless as a last resort!

[pistolpete]

Solano is a good pro and it always helps when your side backs can get forward.


Personally i dont think we will get rid of either i was merely quoting the gossip

[calculus]

So what do we reckon is going to be the strike force for Blackburn? I think TH14 and RvP11 upfront - Lehmann Hoyte, Toure, Senderous, Clichy, Hleb, Fabregas, Gilberto, Rosicky, the rest of the team! Bench - Almunia, Djourou, Flamini, Baptista, Adebayor!:happy:

Score prediction 0-3 Henry(2), Van Persie:rolleyes:

[Top Gun]

I can't see Almunia being dropped from the starting 11 he has had good games against Liverpool.

[calculus]

I think he was just resting Lehmann he'll be back!:)

[Stella Artois]

Not a chance in hell Almunia will start. I still have nightmares about his performance against you when we lost 4-2.

It'll be interesting to see the team Wenger fields...

[calculus]

Not a chance in hell Almunia will start. I still have nightmares about his performance against you when we lost 4-2.

It'll be interesting to see the team Wenger fields...

Thats why I am surprised hes still at the club but then again hes an ok back up for cup games!

[JoeyM]

Almunia is as good as backup keepers get.

Getting rid of Lauren would be a huge mistake, Hoyte isn't really going to push Eboue, whose performances and attitude haven't been up to standard lately. Plus, how could you want to get rid of this face?
http://www.arsenal.com/images/players/60087.jpg

[Stella Artois]

The lizard eyes!

I'll always love Lauren for that tackle in the 2005 FA Cup final. Nearly broke Ronaldo's legs. :D

[pistolpete]

I think he was just resting Lehmann he'll be back!:)

i agree that he was just being rested but on that subject - do keepers really need resting? I can understand if its a long trip for a meaningless game but surely they could play every game in a season.
I think some keepers get 'rested' so their understudies get an occasional game.

[calculus]

i agree that he was just being rested but on that subject - do keepers really need resting? I can understand if its a long trip for a meaningless game but surely they could play every game in a season.
I think some keepers get 'rested' so their understudies get an occasional game.

He is an old man in football terms though;)

[Viperized]

Ah Lauren... one of my favourite Arsenal players.

He is one of the few tough, committed, gritty and mentally strong players left in the squad. There is no way I'd want him to leave, and Eboue needs a kick up the arse. Lauren is the only player who will challange Eboue for the RB spot. Hoyte is just not good enough.

Ljungberg can leave though, and is completely past it. He has been performing poorly for the past two years. Freddie out, Ribery in would be fantastic.

[pistolpete]

Arsenal Website
Ljungberg will definately be staying Wenger says because he is the only one who runs in behind defences, all the others come to the ball.

Lauren will be allowed to leave as Wenger has many players who can play right back and he is near the end of his contract.

Birmingham Loanees, Larrson will be allowed to leave if an offer comes in for him but Muamba and Bendtner will be going nowhere.

[-Jamster-]

Arsenal Website
Ljungberg will definately be staying Wenger says because he is the only one who runs in behind defences, all the others come to the ball.

Lauren will be allowed to leave as Wenger has many players who can play right back and he is near the end of his contract.

Birmingham Loanees, Larrson will be allowed to leave if an offer comes in for him but Muamba and Bendtner will be going nowhere.

Oh dear, bad decision in my opinion.

Worst thing is, he could leave before the end of the season.

[wrigh2uk]

Sad news, I really don't rate eboue against top class opposition. I generally think Lauren is much better than Eboue. I was hoping when he got fit again he'd take the RB place back.

[pistolpete]

He said that Eboue and Hoyte were his 1st choices and that Djourou could also play there.

At a push Gallas and Flamini could also fill in and Gilbert could challenge too.
I dont think letting him go will hurt us this season but i hate to see a player leave, who gave his all every time he played and also scored a few goals - including 2 important goals against Spurs.

Wherever he goes im sure he will be a credit too them.

[Ronaldo_is_fat]

Sad news, I really don't rate eboue against top class opposition. I generally think Lauren is much better than Eboue. I was hoping when he got fit again he'd take the RB place back.

Not really, Eboue has shown his quality against Robinho and Nedved. But he has gone down the hill a bit this season.

[calculus]

Arsenal Website
Ljungberg will definately be staying Wenger says because he is the only one who runs in behind defences, all the others come to the ball.

Lauren will be allowed to leave as Wenger has many players who can play right back and he is near the end of his contract.

Birmingham Loanees, Larrson will be allowed to leave if an offer comes in for him but Muamba and Bendtner will be going nowhere.

:shocking: but I said it before in a post earlier I think at right back we are covered Eboue, Hoyte, Gilbert its left back that may need strengthening as Traore looks like a super prospect but he is quite young at 17 and very inexperienced! Plus I wouldnt sell Ljungberg either he isnt in top form but he is the experience we need at times!

[pistolpete]

:shocking: but I said it before in a post earlier I think at right back we are covered Eboue, Hoyte, Gilbert its left back that may need strengthening as Traore looks like a super prospect but he is quite young at 17 and very inexperienced! Plus I wouldnt sell Ljungberg either he isnt in top form but he is the experience we need at times!

Well last week it was your opinion,
today it is straight from Wengers mouth and on the Arsenal website - i was merely the messenger dude.

You were right though if you said that.

P.S I also said that we shouldnt sell Fredy, on account of his experience.

[BarnDoor]

The little snatch savage at it again. The sooner he gets his throat cut and gangraped with his body being dumped in the north sea the better.

[grimmer101]

I know it was bad but forget about it we need to concentrate on fabregas

[vanNistelrooy]

Never a red card.

You've just been "Rob Stylesd". Attention seeking, must be centre of attention twat. My mate's dad (who's also a ref) says he is a prick (watching him on TV I can't disagree tbh!)

[Stella Artois]

2-0... its a shame my computer is shit and I can't watch a stream. ;/

[Viperized]

10 men, 2-0, 3 points.

Great result.

[JoeyM]

Immense performance. Cesc ran the midfield on his own, MOTM. Rosicky and Hleb were both superb as well. Rosicky was tenacious and Hleb's close control was astounding at times. Big Phil and Kolo were rocks, and Clichy was superb. Hoyte was better, but still isn't authoritative enough. Too many times he just stood around when he should have been closing his man down. Van Persie was fine and Henry worked hard and scored a fantastic goal.

Pedersen looks like a shrew.

[Canadian, Eh?]

A very good character building performance. Good win. Typical finish by Henry, and a great free kick to Toure.

[calculus]

I cant believe I slept and didnt get up in time to watch this but the result is the important thing and I really am starting to believe that we are near ready to challenge for honours Prem wise!

[Sagdiyev]

I didn't watch this game but our results in our past few matches, and with Thierry back, we seem to be hitting some great form. The performances against Liverpool, although a few of the players in our line-ups may not have been 'First team starters' we played brilliantly against an almost at full strength Liverpool side. As Calculas said, We are almost ready to challenge for the Premiership title!

[pistolpete]

Great performance by the lads, stunning passing all game by the midfield - maybe Gilberto being sent off helped us?!
Some of the close passing interchanges were unbelievable, in some of those areas a lot of decent premiership players wouldnt dare be that comforatble or audacious on the ball in tight areas.

Henrys goal was as good a team goal as you will see this season - give me that over Matt Taylors oppertunist goal anyday.

clichy was brilliant today, solid and strong at the back and effective going forward and he is lightning quick, he reminds me of road runner when he puts his head down and charges! - he isnt far off the level Cole was at and he must be close to a call up to the French national side - surely better than Abidal. Fast becoming the best left back in the world - in fact i wouldnt swap him for anyone.

[Ronaldo_is_fat]

Fab is immense again and he really showed how much he matured against the rough opponents. Hleb showed his skill on the ball and kept the ball well, the reason we bought him. A nice typical finish from Henry. Van Persie our top scorer had a quiet game today.

The twat Savage deserves to get shot and Gilberto credit to Gilberto for almost killing him. The referee was a joke, it was clearly Savage who provoked and that was never a red card. As a matter of fact, I can't believe that referees are still not monitoring Savage's behavior close enough even with his bad reputation.

No doubt, we'll be a serous contender for the Premier League title next season as our future young players are getting more impressive.

LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE ARE AGAINST MANUTD AT HOME

[calculus]

LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE ARE AGAINST MANUTD AT HOME

That is going to be a game and a half! And Chelsea v Liverpool at Anfield and Liverpool have a serious chance of winning because of all the turmoil surrounding Chelsea that would mean we could(with a win over Man U) close the gap in second place to 6 points:rolleyes:

[Ronaldo_is_fat]

Hard to say, are are missing Gilberto which will be a big blow for our midfield. Who do you think will partner Fab?

[calculus]

Hard to say, are are missing Gilberto which will be a big blow for our midfield. Who do you think will partner Fab?

I think he will go with 3 in midfield to give Fab the protection to weave his magic Van Persie and Hleb on the wings with Flamini and Rosicky making up the 3 in midfield!

[vanNistelrooy]

I can see you beating us. If Chelski lose to the dirt then I wouldn't be as upset with dropping points. That said, we've not lost at your place for a while.

[Joel]

I can see you beating us. If Chelski lose to the dirt then I wouldn't be as upset with dropping points. That said, we've not lost at your place for a while.

Good thing for Chelsea fans that their place is new then ;)

[pistolpete]

we've not lost at your place for a while.

Thats true and although i love the rivalry and hate Man Utd - i look forward to the 2 best footballing teams in the country playing each other.

[Nturtle]

Never a red card.

You've just been "Rob Stylesd".

VERY funny that!!! Thanks RVN!! :w00t

[ferdinand93]

Man U v Arsenal is still the best game of the season even though Chelsea are the champions. Chelsea play crap, unattractive, crowding the referee football.

[pistolpete]

just looking at your avatar Ferdinand93 - MANUre sure have got some ugly players!

[Barry]

Great performance by the lads, stunning passing all game by the midfield - maybe Gilberto being sent off helped us?!
Some of the close passing interchanges were unbelievable, in some of those areas a lot of decent premiership players wouldnt dare be that comforatble or audacious on the ball in tight areas.

Henrys goal was as good a team goal as you will see this season - give me that over Matt Taylors oppertunist goal anyday.

clichy was brilliant today, solid and strong at the back and effective going forward and he is lightning quick, he reminds me of road runner when he puts his head down and charges! - he isnt far off the level Cole was at and he must be close to a call up to the French national side - surely better than Abidal. Fast becoming the best left back in the world - in fact i wouldnt swap him for anyone.


Don't jump on a high horse yet - Abidal is strong,fast, has more experience. Surely it's a bit early to speak about becoming the best leftback in the biz. It takes a few season for anyone to take such a title.

Having said that I haven't seen Clichy regularly.

[pistolpete]

Don't jump on a high horse yet - Abidal is strong,fast, has more experience. Surely it's a bit early to speak about becoming the best leftback in the biz. It takes a few season for anyone to take such a title.

Having said that I haven't seen Clichy regularly.

I am basing my opinion on having watched all of Frances WC games and i thought Abidal was their weak link and distinctly average.

I agree that Clichy will have to perform consistantly to stake a claim for that title - thats why i said becoming. But in my eyes he is not far behind the level Cole was performing at with us and he was widely recognized as the best LB in the world.
He also has a great willing attitude on the pitch.

Great avator by the way - Marlon Brando - Legend.

[Barry]

I am basing my opinion on having watched all of Frances WC games and i thought Abidal was their weak link and distinctly average.

I agree that Clichy will have to perform consistantly to stake a claim for that title - thats why i said becoming. But in my eyes he is not far behind the level Cole was performing at with us and he was widely recognized as the best LB in the world.
He also has a great willing attitude on the pitch.

Great avator by the way - Marlon Brando - Legend.

Well that is your opinion - I myself haven't seen Clichy play enough to form an opinion as to whether he really can become such.

I do frequently see Abidal though; and he is all but a pushover. Anyway cheers, Brando was a legend.

[Stella Artois]

Clichy is class, I'd have him over Abidal any day.

I watched the game on Football first yesterday and I was impressed by the performance. The so-called "babies" won away in the north-west! Cue the stupid comments from the media. :rolleyes:

[kallum]

To follow from Stella,

was a top win, especially with 10 men for the majority of the match. Savages theatrics are simply outragous, Gilberto deserved the red but Savage was already having a fit before he kicked out at him.

On the positive side of things, like I said the other week we're slowly reaching that balance of youth/experience/flair and "solidarity" as quoted by big Arsene.

Looking forward to the United match big time, if they're not in gear I feel our lads could do them over- big time.

[Viperized]

Rosicky, Hleb and Fabregas were simply awesome yesterday. Those three completely dominated Blackburn's midfield.

[Nturtle]

Magnifcent goals too...and if you missed them...thanks again to soccerblog...didn't realise how good Henry's goal was! Great "striker" poacher's goal by Toure as well! Good to see our backline contribute to the attack!

http://www.soccerblog.com/

[Zoolander]

Clichy is class, I'd have him over Abidal any day.

I watched the game on Football first yesterday and I was impressed by the performance. The so-called "babies" won away in the north-west! Cue the stupid comments from the media. :rolleyes:

Hmm Evra pisses over both of them ;)

[calculus]

How do you think he'll play the team now that Gilberto is missing next sunday? tight 3 in the middle with Henry upfront on his own or 4-4-2 with Flamini coming in for Gilberto? And will Eboue be back for this game I wonder because although he seems more conffident I am not sure how Hoyte would fair against Man Utd wingers!:cool:

[martin_cranie]

In April 2006, Simon Kuper wrote in the Financial Times:

"One night last year some legends of Dutch football gathered for dinner in an Amsterdam house. Around midnight conversation turned to an old question: who was the best Dutch footballer ever? Dutchmen have been voted European Footballer of the Year seven times, more than any other nationality except Germans. Yet Jan Mulder, a great centre-forward turned writer, chose a player who had never even threatened to win the award nor, at the time, a Champions League: 'Bergkamp. He had the finest technique', said Mulder. Guus Hiddink, the great Dutch manager, nodded, and so the matter was settled."

Just a little something I found on Wikipedia that I couldn't resist posting.

[Stella Artois]

Hmm Evra pisses over both of them ;)

And we pissed all over you. :)

[calculus]

Just a little something I found on Wikipedia that I couldn't resist posting.

Is that a true story? :shocking:

[martin_cranie]

I have no idea, but I assume that Kuper believes it to be true. It's certainly interesting, if a little hard to believe.

[pistolpete]

i wouldnt say it is that hard to believe.

Yes there have been some amazing Dutch players but Bergkamp certainly holds his own in that company.

I think that players of yesteryear are protected by reputation and people alays saying that they were better than the best players now, when in my opinion - Football is a tougher game now than years ago, so the best players have to stand out against a background of some incredible athletes.
e.g, im sure George Best was an unbelieavable player but form the footage i have seen, the defending wasnt of the highest standard.
Nowadays how often does someone beat 5 or 6 men? they cant because the awareness and defensive play of players is better.

[martin_cranie]

Bergkamp can undoubtedly hold his own amongst the top level of Dutch players, but it's still hard to believe that Hiddink et al would so willingly overlook Cruyff.

[Ronaldo_is_fat]

Bergkamp can undoubtedly hold his own amongst the top level of Dutch players, but it's still hard to believe that Hiddink et al would so willingly overlook Cruyff.

and Van Basten

[calculus]

Do we need a player like Bale?

[Yi-Long]

and Van Basten

Well, Bergkamp is most definately a more brilliant football player then Van Basten. Van Basten is definately a better striker though.

But Bergkamp is pretty much on a simular level as Cruyff, as in first touch, vision, creativity, movement off the ball, passing, shooting etc etc...
Cruyff is ofcourse a legend, not just because of his footballskill, but also because of his personality. When he was 17 or something he was brought into the first team of Ajax, and immediately started telling his collegues (many big strong guys in their late 20's, early 30's) where to stand, how to run, and everything else they were doing wrong, during matches. And he was right. Off the pitch he was always very vocal, making sure he got paid well (even mentioning he could always join Feyenoord if Ajax couldnt pay his wages), etc etc etc.

So Cruyff was just absolutely phenomenal on and off the pitch. Maybe you can even say his personality was a bit like Mourinho's: very confident, honestly speaking his mind, etc.

So he just was a legend. He didnt become one over a period of time, but right from the get-go he had this amazing ability plus this amazing sharpness in his mind and personality, that made him stand out.

Bergkamp on the other hand, has always been an amazing football player. Personally I rate him above Zidane and Maradonna and many other 'legends'. Skillwise, I rate him alongside Cruyff, as they are pretty simular players.
It's because Bergkamp is a player that made everyone around him play better, and also he went to 'mediocre' teams, and made them better. Instead of going to Barca or Ac Milan, he went to Inter (where he failed due to the way they played). After Inter he could have gone to any big-name club again, but again he chose to go to Arsenal, who at that time were certainly not the Arsenal they are today.

He always chose to go somewhere where he could play football, and also make a difference and be important to the team and the club.
Zidane went to the big-name clubs, Juventus and Real Madrid, and obviousy won prizes and stuff. It's easier to win major trophies when the rest of the team also consists of brilliant players.

I might even rate Bergkamp's skills higher then those of Cruyff, but I'm not sure. I havent seen enough of Cruyff to really make that judgement. (just highlights, obviously)

[pistolpete]

The great man getting the credit he deserves.

Im sure he could have gone to America for a final payday but consumate proffessional that he is, he ended at the top with the team he loved.

I havnt had the fortune of seeing Maradona, Zidane or Ronaldinho in the flesh but Dennis pretty much tops the impressive list of players i have seen, Nedved, DelPiero, Effenberg, Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, Keane, Shevchenko, Vialli to name a few.

I do miss Dennis - ultimate respect to him.

[Stella Artois]

I'd have done anything to see him in the flesh more often. It's enough when even the Scum would marvel at his brilliance.

Dennis is a guy who is loved by all at Arsenal, and the sort of playing deserving of a statue outside the current stadium when he dies.

[Nturtle]

Do we need a player like Bale?

Good question...no idea! It's not easy to buy british anyway...we'll see.

RE: Bergkamp...damn straight...he's a legend for Arsenal fans anyway...no matter how he is compared re: Dutch players. :cool:

[Dragonfly]

Dennis is a guy who is loved by all at Arsenal, and the sort of playing deserving of a statue outside the current stadium when he dies.

I second that. ;)

Have there been any foreign (non-British including Ireland) players where a statue have been made of them?

[Ronaldo_is_fat]

By looking at the talents we got in our defense we don't need any overhyped Championship side defender, Bale. Plus, he'll be overpriced just like any English players.

I felt that it is not wise to compare Van Basten to Bergkamp, as they're two different players. Van Basten is a natural striker who can finish off anything infront of him but Bergkamp is an artist on the pitch who influences players around him into better players (Henry and most of the Arsenal team like Pires will not achieve and become as great as now without Bergkamp).

Again the Dutch aren't known for their dribbling skills like the Brazilians, but for their simbline technique, and van Basten like Bergkamp had a great technique but not as great as bergkamp, was an aerial threat, a natural finisher, and someone every coach would want because he could excel under pressure, he would demand the ball and take charge. Van Basten on the other hand never got the chance to fulfil his potential due to injury but in the time he was injury free at his peak he was easily better than Bergkamp, however we never had the privilege to see him go on to the next level in terms of achievements.

[Nturtle]

By looking at the talents we got in our defense we don't need any overhyped Championship side defender, Bale. Plus, he'll be overpriced just like any English players.


I did say British...as he is Welsh I think...and that leads onto news saying he'll join Man U...as Giggs is there too! Damn...Oh well...we've got Traore and Gilbert already...no big deal I don't think. ;)

[calculus]

I did say British...as he is Welsh I think...and that leads onto news saying he'll join Man U...as Giggs is there too! Damn...Oh well...we've got Traore and Gilbert already...no big deal I don't think. ;)

If we do get another full back I think it shouldnt be 1 like bale but someone alongside Traore who will come up through the youth side that way they are hungry to succeed not over hyped and over pressured! Other than LB I think we are coming into strength in all areas of the pitch cant wait for sunday :cool:

[Viperized]

Signing Bale would be a waste of money.

We already have two fullbacks - Clichy and Troare.