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Viperized
18-02-2007, 07:05
If you had an IQ over 5 you wouldn't say half the shit that you say.
Invalid theory.
Since you originally ignored what I said:
"What the fuck are you on about?
I didn't call the team shit. At least read my posts, moron. I called the performance 'shit' (and it was). Can you read? I said Henry's diving was disgraceful. Can you read? I said Henry's work rate has been shocking. Can you read? I said Ljungberg and Flamini aren't good enough. Can you read? I said Ljungberg is past it. Can you read?
To answer that for you, of course not.
As I've said already, only two of those players who played against Bolton started against Blackburn, so I can't exactly see how the players were tired. The fact is we played at a slow tempo without any urgency cost us, and missing those sitters didn't help at all. We only seem to play with real urgency once we concede the first goal. But it also doesn't help when the ref ignores a blatant penalty call."
calculus
18-02-2007, 11:48
Invalid theory.
Since you originally ignored what I said:
"What the fuck are you on about?
I didn't call the team shit. At least read my posts, moron. I called the performance 'shit' (and it was). Can you read? I said Henry's diving was disgraceful. Can you read? I said Henry's work rate has been shocking. Can you read? I said Ljungberg and Flamini aren't good enough. Can you read? I said Ljungberg is past it. Can you read?
To answer that for you, of course not.
As I've said already, only two of those players who played against Bolton started against Blackburn, so I can't exactly see how the players were tired. The fact is we played at a slow tempo without any urgency cost us, and missing those sitters didn't help at all. We only seem to play with real urgency once we concede the first goal. But it also doesn't help when the ref ignores a blatant penalty call."
Please don't blame the ref for the penalty call because that is not why we did not win the game! Its obvious Blackburn came to do a job and so we had to up our tempo its our fault not the ref's the penalty shout...these things tend to even themselves out though big clubs get a better rub of the green than your smaller clubs.
You can't blame the ref for our performance and I am sure all who watched the match will agree it wasn't good enough!
I think the fact that Gilberto and Hleb were missing hurt us more than most because Walcott can't dictate a game the way Hleb can and Flamini lacks the control and discipline as a DM which I am sure affected Fabregas! His running is good but he doesn't hold as much as Silva!
Fabregas' class showing once again yesterday with his petulance towards Mark Hughes.
Stella Artois
18-02-2007, 13:58
I can't see what he did wrong myself. He made an observation about the way in which Hughes' team played, so why the fuss?
Nice to see us getting screwed over yet again this season by a referee.
martin_cranie
18-02-2007, 14:37
Fabregas' class showing once again yesterday with his petulance towards Mark Hughes.
Nice of you to point it out yet again. He's a veritable C. Ronaldo isn't he? :tongue:
Nice of you to point it out yet again. He's a veritable C. Ronaldo isn't he? :tongue:No I shall let Fabregas off as I do like him but his attitude at times has a lot to be desired. Whereas that fucker Ronaldo... :realmad:
Stella Artois
18-02-2007, 14:38
Jonny seems to have some sort of anti-Fabregas agenda going on. Very strange.
Jonny seems to have some sort of anti-Fabregas agenda going on. Very strange.See above post.
Stella Artois
18-02-2007, 14:44
See above post.
Meh all I ever see from you is a comment about Cesc's attitude every time he does something wrong - though in this case I can't see how it was?
Meh all I ever see from you is a comment about Cesc's attitude every time he does something wrong - though in this case I can't see how it was?Well the refusal to shake Hughes' hand 4 times in my eyes is wrong, if Souness and Bellamy can shake hands then surely Fabregas can shake Hughes'?
I think he is a sensational young talent and probably the finest young midfielder we've seen on these shores since a young Paul Gascoigne stepped out at St James' Park, I just think he needs to sort out the petulance in his game that is all.
Stella Artois
18-02-2007, 14:53
I rarely shake my opponents hand after a game if I'm annoyed, I don't see that there's anything wrong with it. I walk off the pitch, shower, calm down then speak to them afterwards. For all you know Cesc did exactly that, but because its not on camera you assume he's being a petulant little tosser.
I rarely shake my opponents hand after a game if I'm annoyed, I don't see that there's anything wrong with it. I walk off the pitch, shower, calm down then speak to them afterwards. For all you know Cesc did exactly that, but because its not on camera you assume he's being a petulant little tosser.Actually fair play to the lad he did actually apologise for his behavior afterwards.
calculus
18-02-2007, 19:43
Leave Fabregas alone he has sorted out his attitude he hardly reacts after being fouled any more and boy does he get fouled he has sorted his temprement has improved! Nobody's tean us full of angels!:ninja:
Champions league coming and we need to step our game up! Liverpool should happy Barce are out of sorts and Eto'o will probably not play! We need to get our game in gear if we are to beat PSV because they will make it tough I'm sure!
Well....Hughes seems to have no problem with an apology...and Cesc needs to NOT learn from Henry and become his own man - his decisions, his life to live and his image to set up. Petulance is probably not the best quality to start on!
Interesting article this...talking about the seamless integration of the team:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/sport/2007/02/19/sfnsmi19.xml
greenegg
19-02-2007, 01:15
Cesc needs to learn some respect and also realise not everything will go his way. In fairness he apologised and he is still young and always learning. Plus he has a great deal of pressure but still he needs to curb that side of his game.
calculus
19-02-2007, 10:33
I can't believe everybody is jumping on Cesc like him did something really bad along the lines of Wayne Rooney proportions! :no:
Since the Teddy Sheringham incident he has been brilliant and he hardly reacts to being tackled/fouled like say a Beckham or Vieira would! Lay off him!:angry:
Team just announced for Champs League vs. PSV
1 Jens LEHMANN (GK)
4 Cesc FABREGAS
5 Kolo TOURE
6 Philippe SENDEROS
7 Tomas ROSICKY
8 Fredrik LJUNGBERG
9 Julio BAPTISTA
10 William GALLAS
13 Alexander HLEB
14 Thierry HENRY
15 DENILSON
16 Mathieu FLAMINI
19 GILBERTO
20 Johan DJOUROU
22 Gael CLICHY
24 Manuel ALMUNIA (GK)
25 Emmanuel ADEBAYOR
30 Jeremie ALIADIERE
calculus
19-02-2007, 16:34
Team just announced for Champs League vs. PSV
1 Jens LEHMANN (GK)
4 Cesc FABREGAS
5 Kolo TOURE
6 Philippe SENDEROS
7 Tomas ROSICKY
8 Fredrik LJUNGBERG
9 Julio BAPTISTA
10 William GALLAS
13 Alexander HLEB
14 Thierry HENRY
15 DENILSON
16 Mathieu FLAMINI
19 GILBERTO
20 Johan DJOUROU
22 Gael CLICHY
24 Manuel ALMUNIA (GK)
25 Emmanuel ADEBAYOR
30 Jeremie ALIADIERE
LEHMANN
GALLAS TOURE SENDEROS CLICHY
HLEB GILBERTO FABREGAS ROSICKY
HENRY ADEBAYOR
I like the look of that team no Walcott/Hoyte/Diaby I guess they are being rested to face Chelsea on Sunday :rolleyes:
I can't believe everybody is jumping on Cesc like him did something really bad along the lines of Wayne Rooney proportions! :no:
Since the Teddy Sheringham incident he has been brilliant and he hardly reacts to being tackled/fouled like say a Beckham or Vieira would! Lay off him!:angry:Must have missed that against us then when he nearly broke Craig Moore's leg. ;)
Viperized
19-02-2007, 17:18
LEHMANN
GALLAS TOURE SENDEROS CLICHY
HLEB GILBERTO FABREGAS ROSICKY
HENRY ADEBAYOR
I like the look of that team no Walcott/Hoyte/Diaby I guess they are being rested to face Chelsea on Sunday :rolleyes:
Switch Toure with Gallas and thats my team.
Toure > Gallas at RB. He offers us explosive pace and has a thunder of a shot of him, so it could make him shoot more!
Rossy Boy
19-02-2007, 17:23
Hoyte has hamstring Problem thats why he aint in the team
calculus
19-02-2007, 17:40
Switch Toure with Gallas and thats my team.
Toure > Gallas at RB. He offers us explosive pace and has a thunder of a shot of him, so it could make him shoot more!
Don't know about Toure at right back because he always seems more comfortable at Centre back!
Hoyte has hamstring Problem thats why he aint in the team
That's a shame hope he is fit for Sunday!
Canadian, Eh?
19-02-2007, 17:57
I would assume Gallas wants to play this coming weekend against Chelsea, he played against Blackburn. I wouldn't be shocked to see Flamini at right back.
calculus
19-02-2007, 18:01
I would assume Gallas wants to play this coming weekend against Chelsea, he played against Blackburn. I wouldn't be shocked to see Flamini at right back.
I think Flamini is a better full-back than he is a midfielder! :happy:
ThierryHenry14
19-02-2007, 19:53
looks quite a good team and it's on itv4 at 7.30 if im correct
Id rather Cesc's spiky attitude, than be like Gerrard who used to do 2-footed lunges in his youth days......
English on-eyedness
Stella Artois
19-02-2007, 21:31
Cesc needs to learn some respect and also realise not everything will go his way. In fairness he apologised and he is still young and always learning. Plus he has a great deal of pressure but still he needs to curb that side of his game.
You need to shut the fuck up. And I'm deadly serious about that.
I'd imagine you didn't say a word when Mourinho came out and accused Blackburn of parking a bus in front of their goal, did you? The whole thing has been blown out of proportion purely because Hughes acted like a big baby.
You're probably one of those idiotic few who decided to have a moan and a whinge when Henry taunted Kirkland - it's amazing how that dominated the news despite the fact that Barton intentionally stamped on Mendes.
So, biased towards the big teams? Yea fucking right Greenegg.
alpine goal
19-02-2007, 22:01
LEHMANN
GALLAS TOURE SENDEROS CLICHY
HLEB GILBERTO FABREGAS ROSICKY
HENRY ADEBAYOR
I like the look of that team no Walcott/Hoyte/Diaby I guess they are being rested to face Chelsea on Sunday :rolleyes:
Jens
Djourou Toure Gallas Clichy
Helb Cesc Gilberto Rosicky
Adebayor Henry
Think your right about the players not playing as being saved for Sunday.
Would expect this team to come away with at least a goal or more ! Dont think the tie will be over after this game.
vanNistelrooy
19-02-2007, 22:03
I know Wanger has come out and said Henry won't be playing on Sunday, but do you think he'll have them on the bench as backup?
Stella Artois
19-02-2007, 22:03
No.
Quite simply.
vanNistelrooy
19-02-2007, 22:04
Suggested starting line up and bench?
Stella Artois
19-02-2007, 22:06
Almunia
Hoyte Senderos/Djourou Toure Traore
Walcott Diaby Denilson Rosicky
Baps Aliadiere
Adebayor
Hleb
Djourou/Senderos
Poom
Fabregas
It's too difficult to say. He might want Gallas to play as we have some big games left and I'd find it strange if Gilberto wasn't included as we'd have no recognised captain then (I'd imagine Toure would do it).
Plus the team could be shuffled around in a variety of ways.
vanNistelrooy
19-02-2007, 22:11
That Traore looks half decent, you obviously got the Traore that can actually play football!
I would love it if you won it, hopefully it would dent the Chelski players' confidence losing to Arsenal's reserves in a final.
To be honest I just want to see a good game of football (well, to be REALLY honest I just don't want Chelski to win anything!)
COME ON YOU GOONERS!
Stella Artois
19-02-2007, 22:16
I'm still torn between who I want to win the title. I'm hoping we ruin Chelsea's dream in some respects, but I don't want you lot to have the gloating rights...
Hopefully both squads contract aids and die.
vanNistelrooy
19-02-2007, 22:18
Well with Ashley Cole around anything's possible.
You want us to win it, just admit it :tongue:
Would be funny if Chelski finished empty handed. I think we'd be saying "Bye bye Jose!"
Stella Artois
19-02-2007, 22:21
Its Ashley Cole vs Ronaldo and Rooney unfortunately. Your team has two cunts in it whilst Chelski's has one absolutely massive cunt in it.
Still, it doesn't bother me too much. As long as we finnish above the bin dippers I'll be content.
alpine goal
19-02-2007, 22:38
I know Wanger has come out and said Henry won't be playing on Sunday, but do you think he'll have them on the bench as backup?
YEH you have 7 on the bench for cup finals
calculus
19-02-2007, 22:53
Thinking about it I don't think Gallas will be in the team for the same reason that Henry won't be in the team because they haven't played any part in the competition up till now and we don't seem to bad injury wise!
Viperized
19-02-2007, 23:35
Almunia
Hoyte Senderos/Djourou Toure Traore
Walcott Diaby Denilson Rosicky
Baps Aliadiere
Adebayor
Hleb
Djourou/Senderos
Poom
Fabregas
It's too difficult to say. He might want Gallas to play as we have some big games left and I'd find it strange if Gilberto wasn't included as we'd have no recognised captain then (I'd imagine Toure would do it).
Plus the team could be shuffled around in a variety of ways.
Hoyte won't be available. He has a hamstring injury.
Gallas will start at RB, and will score the winner in the 90th minute (hopefully!) What a moment it'll be!
I know the Carling Cup is considered as a worthless cup, but should Arsenal win it, I would be very pleased. Why? We done it with a team with an average age of 20-21. No doubt Chelsea will field their strongest team against us.
calculus
20-02-2007, 11:18
Champion's League tonight I can't wait! I hope we win but I know the scouts at PSV will have them do a Blackburn which is probably a sensible thing for them to do!
alpine goal
20-02-2007, 17:24
Hoyte won't be available. He has a hamstring injury.
Gallas will start at RB, and will score the winner in the 90th minute (hopefully!) What a moment it'll be!
I know the Carling Cup is considered as a worthless cup, but should Arsenal win it, I would be very pleased. Why? We done it with a team with an average age of 20-21. No doubt Chelsea will field their strongest team against us.
Hoyte is ok for sunday
Viperized
20-02-2007, 17:26
A hamstring injury doesn't heal in 3 or 4 days.
Where does it say he is ok?
Stella Artois
20-02-2007, 17:30
He was at the FA Youth Cup game at the Emirates last night and I know for a face that he told people he was merely being rested for Sunday.
Rossy Boy
20-02-2007, 17:33
Justin Hoyte has been ruled out with a hamstring injury. "Hoyte is out with a hamstring problem, but he should be back for [the Carling Cup Final on] Sunday," explained Wenger
From Arsenal Site
http://www.arsenal.com/injury.asp?thisNav=news
alpine goal
20-02-2007, 17:43
A hamstring injury doesn't heal in 3 or 4 days.
Where does it say he is ok?
Depends on what type of injury it is. If it was a tear out for 6 months if its a strain couple of days with rest.
I think he will be playing Sunday
alpine goal
20-02-2007, 18:21
Wenger has said that Robin could be back with 5-6 weeks dated today. He said its looking better than first thought.
alpine goal
20-02-2007, 18:35
Tony Adams on ITV 4 talking about the Arsenal dont wait till 730 to watch boys !
Stella Artois
20-02-2007, 18:41
I'd rather wait myself, I hate the build-up to games. Makes me so tense!
Whens Gallas coming back then? He's been out for sometime. Is he still injured from that training ground insident (sp).
Stella Artois
20-02-2007, 18:46
He played 60 minutes against Blackburn you tool. :P
He's in the squad tonight, and I'd hope he'd start.
Right, i had a feeling but weren't too sure. Who the fuck you talking to you furking southern bastard.
Hope he doesn't start.
Come on the PSV.
alpine goal
20-02-2007, 19:35
Happy with the team put out will be happy with 1-0
Zoolander
20-02-2007, 21:04
Come on PSV!
Rossy Boy
20-02-2007, 21:11
Grrrr UNDESERVED
Zoolander
20-02-2007, 21:18
LOL, don't worry we look like we'll lose against Lille.
Rossy Boy
20-02-2007, 21:22
We have no spirit like usual
Wow... good performance by PSV. Gomes and Alex were just truly magnificent, and most of the others were pretty good as well.
Tardelli should be fucking shot though. What an idiot. Useless player.
It was a good game to watch. Both teams were playing good football (fast precise passing, lots of movement), but PSV's defense and midfield was sharp as a knife today.
Too bad PSV didnt have much power up front. It started out well with Cocu pushing forward all the time, but once he got a bit of an injury he layed back in midfield a bit more.
Hopefully in 2 weeks we'll have Kluivert and Afellay back in the squad.
Rossy Boy
20-02-2007, 21:40
Only cos there big tall cunts ;)
calculus
20-02-2007, 21:49
:realmad: I only saw the second half and I can't say much why are we playing so slowly the young boys will put in a better performance for the cup final but I don't think we will win through in the end! Chelsea's power will tell in the end!
alpine goal
20-02-2007, 21:52
Fuck !
We Can Over Turn This
calculus
20-02-2007, 21:58
Fuck !
We Can Over Turn This
Remember Liverpool last season against Benfica? They lost against Benfica away and couldn't win at home. The manager...Koeman!
We are in big trouble PSV will come and park the bus no doubt! And if we play as slowly as we did today then :no:
Scarface
20-02-2007, 22:02
Both teams were playing good football (fast precise passing, lots of movement), but PSV's defense and midfield was sharp as a knife today.
Good football? We were shocking. Completely lifeless performance, and if it wasn't for the fact we were up against the most average team left in the competition, we could have been dead and buried by now.
It was a good game to watch.
I definitely must have been watching another game. It was so dull I needed to slap myself a few times to keep awake. Senderos and Toure managed to pass it between themselves a record 60 times during the match. Truly rivetting stuff.
I only saw the second half and I can't say much why are we playing so slow
First half we were well in control, but still lacked a cutting edge.
We were meant to be building up to this game by resting players and now look where it's got us. We made hard work of it against Bolton and were took right to the end, put in a dire performance against Blackburn and now face a tough replay at Ewood Park when they may have Pedersen and McCarthy back, and find ourselves in an uncomprimising position in the Champions League. 2-1 would not have been too disastrous, but with no away goals and a goal deficit, this is going to be a tricky one to get out of, unless we manage to find a good early passing rhythm at the Emirates, and hopefully an early goal.
calculus
20-02-2007, 22:07
Good football? We were shocking. Completely lifeless performance, and if it wasn't for the fact we were up against the most average team left in the competition, we could have been dead and buried by now.
I definitely must have been watching another game. It was so dull I needed to slap myself a few times to keep awake. Senderos and Toure managed to pass it between themselves a record 60 times during the match. Truly rivetting stuff.
First half we were well in control, but still lacked a cutting edge.
We were meant to be building up to this game by resting players and now look where it's got us. We made hard work of it against Bolton and were took right to the end, put in a dire performance against Blackburn and now face a tough replay at Ewood Park when they may have Pedersen and McCarthy back, and find ourselves in an uncomprimising position in the Champions League. 2-1 would not have been too disastrous, but with no away goals and a goal deficit, this is going to be a tricky one to get out of, unless we manage to find a good early passing rhythm at the Emirates, and hopefully an early goal.
What did you think about Henry's performance? In the second half I almost forgot he was playing!
alpine goal
20-02-2007, 22:08
Remember Liverpool last season against Benfica? They lost against Benfica away and couldn't win at home. The manager...Koeman!
We are in big trouble PSV will come and park the bus no doubt! And if we play as slowly as we did today then :no:
Yeh but if you dont think you will win dont play
To be the best you have over come these things and i believe we will !
Scarface
20-02-2007, 22:11
What did you think about Henry's performance? In the second half I almost forgot he was playing!
Yep, he was poor again. Could only cringe at him going down holding his face, after someone pushed him in the shoulder fairly hard. What is happening to him? I'm not so worried about his performances, as i'm confident it's only a matter if time before his class shines through, but his attitude and whole behaviour is becoming terrible :no:
mufcsean
20-02-2007, 22:19
You buggers are the only ones that let me down for a £466.03 bet :no:
calculus
20-02-2007, 22:22
Yeh but if you dont think you will win dont play
To be the best you have over come these things and i believe we will !
I'm an optimist I always think Arsenal will win their games no matter who they play. I am just saying that it will be difficult if we play wrongly!
calculus
20-02-2007, 22:24
You buggers are the only ones that let me down for a £466.03 bet :no:
Sorry man don't you just hate it when that happens?!
Rossy Boy
20-02-2007, 22:28
Yep, he was poor again. Could only cringe at him going down holding his face, after someone pushed him in the shoulder fairly hard. What is happening to him? I'm not so worried about his performances, as i'm confident it's only a matter if time before his class shines through, but his attitude and whole behaviour is becoming terrible :no:
bit like in the world cup where henry went down holding his face when puyol elbowed him in the chest trying to get him sent off
Zoolander
20-02-2007, 22:32
You buggers are the only ones that let me down for a £466.03 bet :no:
Ouch!
calculus
20-02-2007, 22:40
Yep, he was poor again. Could only cringe at him going down holding his face, after someone pushed him in the shoulder fairly hard. What is happening to him? I'm not so worried about his performances, as i'm confident it's only a matter if time before his class shines through, but his attitude and whole behaviour is becoming terrible :no:
Don't you find that when he is not playing we seem to play much harder and he seems out of sort to me all of a sudden like he is not quite fit! Hope hit get back on form maybe he needs another 3 weeks off!
Scarface
20-02-2007, 22:43
bit like in the world cup where henry went down holding his face when puyol elbowed him in the chest trying to get him sent off
Yeah. I thought that was a one off to try to sneakily get Puyol sent off, after what he was allowed to get away with in the European Cup Final, but it seems not...
I don't know what it is that's changed him, whether it's the pain of losing the two biggest cup finals within weeks of each other, the whole transfer saga or that, arguably, he isn't our star man now; Cesc Fabregas is. Could be something completely different, but I hope we see the old Thierry back soon, at least in attitude and personality, even if the great performances don't return as quickly.
Don't you find that when he is not playing we seem to play much harder and he seems out of sort to me all of a sudden like he is not quite fit!
Definitely, he seems to be sluggish and lacking full sharpness. Big shame that Van Persie isn't available, as we'd have more opportunity to rest him for a while longer.
Jake Small
20-02-2007, 23:46
Henry for Eto'o doesn't seem like it would've been such a crap deal for Arsenal anymore. Then again Eto'o has been injured the entire season...
You guys look a lot more fiery when Henry is off the pitch. I really don't think he's an appropriate captain..
calculus
20-02-2007, 23:53
I want to see Henry dance again :mellow:
pistolpete
21-02-2007, 00:09
0 goals in 2 games - very disappointing.
Im fed up with the side dominating but not scoring, then conceding a goal from 30yards.
I reckon you could make the whole goal of the season competition out of goals against us.
Step forward Mendez, Landzaat, Essien, VanDerVaart, Anelka, Matt Taylor, Daniel Carvalho and Gerrard
0 goals in 2 games - very disappointing.
Im fed up with the side dominating but not scoring, then conceding a goal from 30yards.
I reckon you could make the whole goal of the season competition out of goals against us.
Step forward Mendez, Landzaat, Essien, VanDerVaart, Anelka, Matt Taylor, Daniel Carvalho and Gerrard
Well maybe your midfield players should be closing down these players quicker.
You guys were unlucky not to at least get a draw from this game. You'll do them over at home ;)
That was like the Arsenal of 2002 in Europe, completely impotent against a decent defence.
calculus
21-02-2007, 01:02
That was like the Arsenal of 2002 in Europe, completely impotent against a decent defence.
Yeah the dark old days we haven't scored for 2 games in a row! Not good! And now we got the meanest defence in the uk to deal with...but you know what 'I would just love it, just love it if we beat them'
Well....it was a bad result...but what loss isn't?!? Ah well....a good wake-up call for everyone.
Good football? We were shocking. Completely lifeless performance, and if it wasn't for the fact we were up against the most average team left in the competition, we could have been dead and buried by now.
I definitely must have been watching another game. It was so dull I needed to slap myself a few times to keep awake. Senderos and Toure managed to pass it between themselves a record 60 times during the match. Truly rivetting stuff.
First half we were well in control, but still lacked a cutting edge.
We were meant to be building up to this game by resting players and now look where it's got us. We made hard work of it against Bolton and were took right to the end, put in a dire performance against Blackburn and now face a tough replay at Ewood Park when they may have Pedersen and McCarthy back, and find ourselves in an uncomprimising position in the Champions League. 2-1 would not have been too disastrous, but with no away goals and a goal deficit, this is going to be a tricky one to get out of, unless we manage to find a good early passing rhythm at the Emirates, and hopefully an early goal.
From a Dutch point of view it was good to watch. Of course they are boring, dull and anti-football, but the chauvinistic part of us enjoyed it.
You had the better part of the first half in control, then in the 2nd half PSV took control. I'm not surprised with Koeman in charge, he puts a heavy emhpasis on defence. Plus it was a good tactical decision to play without a real striker.
You were unlucky that Gomes was on goal and Da Costa and Alex in front of him.
From a Dutch point of view it was good to watch. Of course they are boring, dull and anti-football, but the chauvinistic part of us enjoyed it.
You had the better part of the first half in control, then in the 2nd half PSV took control. I'm not surprised with Koeman in charge, he puts a heavy emhpasis on defence. Plus it was a good tactical decision to play without a real striker.
You were unlucky that Gomes was on goal and Da Costa and Alex in front of him.
You are right that PSV is mostly about a decent defense and organisation. And yeah, with Koeman in charge that wont suddenly change. But I dont agree that we saw boring, dull football. We didnt see time-wasting (although Lehman took his time at times when it was still 0-0) and when PSV got the ball they were constantly looking to set up a move to bring the ball to the flanks and forward.
If there was 1 team that was playing a bit 'dull' it was Arsenal, cause they couldnt find a way through, kept looking for the opening, but Henry and Adebayor were a bit too static and our defence did their job closing everyone down.
So I certainly didnt find yesterday's match boring. Arsenal wasnt their best but we do have PSV to thank for that, cause they made sure Arsenal wouldnt reach the forwards and closed everyone down quick.
And yeah, Gomez and Alex are legendary in Holland, and yesterday they showed why. Da Costa and Salcido had a very good game as well.
It will be interesting to see how PSV will play in 2 weeks, when Kluivert, Farfan (our top-scorer) and Afellay should be back. I really hope Kluivert will play, plus Afellay is obviously a much better option instead of Culina.
calculus
21-02-2007, 12:38
Can you blame PSV for playing the way they did? No it's football and that is the beauty of it...very unpredictable and every team has their own style of play!
It wasnt like PSV just stuck on their own half and built a wall there, was it? They did go forward plenty of times, a couple of shots, etc. I dont think you can accuse them of time-wasting or playing over the top defensively. They just had a very good back four and the organisation was tight and sharp.
If they would have wanted to waste time they could have easily passed the ball around in the back for a while, cause Adebayor and Henry werent doing much to put the pressure on them. But they usually came out fairly quickly trying to set up an attack. I've seen numerous times that Alex was going up front, and the 2 backs joining the attack (Kromkamp and Salcido, and later Sun*). PSV just played very well, and we're lucky we have a great keeper and that shot from Mendez went in.
* how cool is that story btw? Sun just came over a few weeks orso ago, made his debut for PSV last weekend against Excelsior I think, and 3 days later he makes his debut in the CL, being the first chinese player in CL EVER :)
I bet he's now already a legend in his homeland, after having played just 2 games :D
Seems like a decent player.
calculus
21-02-2007, 13:09
It wasnt like PSV just stuck on their own half and built a wall there, was it? They did go forward plenty of times, a couple of shots, etc. I dont think you can accuse them of time-wasting or playing over the top defensively. They just had a very good back four and the organisation was tight and sharp.
If they would have wanted to waste time they could have easily passed the ball around in the back for a while, cause Adebayor and Henry werent doing much to put the pressure on them. But they usually came out fairly quickly trying to set up an attack. I've seen numerous times that Alex was going up front, and the 2 backs joining the attack (Kromkamp and Salcido, and later Sun*). PSV just played very well, and we're lucky we have a great keeper and that shot from Mendez went in.
* how cool is that story btw? Sun just came over a few weeks orso ago, made his debut for PSV last weekend against Excelsior I think, and 3 days later he makes his debut in the CL, being the first chinese player in CL EVER :)
I bet he's now already a legend in his homeland, after having played just 2 games :D
Seems like a decent player.
I was worried about Mendes before the game because I have seen that guy play a few times and he always seems to score long range screamers!
They were solid and controlled without being spectacular and I am not saying the way they played is wrong I'm saying that AW is complaining about the way the home team played but to me that is not what football is about or how it is played! Teams like Chelsa, Valencia, PSV are very organised but that does not mean they are not effective and they don't make for open games but some people myself included can appreciate football when it becomes tactical! I'm just disappointed that we did find the answers to the problems you posed!
Personally I think you played better football under Hiddink more exciting and attack minded but that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with the way Koeman sets up his team!
I was worried about Mendes before the game because I have seen that guy play a few times and he always seems to score long range screamers!
They were solid and controlled without being spectacular and I am not saying the way they played is wrong I'm saying that AW is complaining about the way the home team played but to me that is not what football is about or how it is played! Teams like Chelsa, Valencia, PSV are very organised but that does not mean they are not effective and they don't make for open games but some people myself included can appreciate football when it becomes tactical! I'm just disappointed that we did find the answers to the problems you posed!
Personally I think you played better football under Hiddink more exciting and attack minded but that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with the way Koeman sets up his team!
Mendes seems like a better version of Seedorf to me.
He has pretty much the same problems as Seedorf, only less bad. And he has the same qualities as Seedorf, only better :)
seedorf and Mendes are both not all that fast, strong physically, are not thinking BFEORE they get the ball, but only start thinking AFTER they get the ball, thei first touch isnt always that good, and positionally both arent outstanding. But in all cases Mendes is just a bit better then Seedorf.
Also in the good points Mendes is better: he's a better passer, and also has a better through-pass. Plus both have hard shots, but Mendes are more often well aimed, where-as Seedorf has problems keeping the ball on target, and usually blasts them high over. Mendes also has a very good freekick.
Seedorf is more vocal on the pitch, but when you're a mediocre player I dont think that's a good thing.
I like Mendes as a player, although his bad points can bother me at times.
I'm like you. I prefer attacking and open and daring football, but when a team plays lik PSV did last night, I can appreciate it. They were the underdogs, but they were extremely sharp yesterday, which is why most dutch fans were so happily surprised I think, cause PSV has had a few rough weeks.
I do think that when a team HAS the opportunity and the players to play offensive, attacking football, they SHOULD. PSV didnt have any offensive options yesterday (we fielded Tardelli for fuck's sake(!) ) so they played as offensively as they could. Kluivert, Farfan and Afellay are the attacking creative people, but they were out injured.
I'm sure it was a more enjoyable game for dutch fans, cause we were happily surprised to see PSV play such a strong match against a pretty much full-strength Arsenal (except Eboue being out). For Arsenal/English fans I can understand if they experienced the game a bit different, cause they were surprised Arsenal couldnt get into their game and create goals against a team from a lesser league. SO it must have been dissapointing for them.
Anyway. I think it's about 50/50 now for the next match. PSV should get some of their players back from injury, but usually Arsenal should be a bit better then PSV.
Neither team played well, PSV defended well and scored a good goal, and we didn't really do anything right. I don't see how it was some tactical victory either, PSV basically did what every other team we've played at home this season has tried to do, but it worked for them because they're a better side than most teams in the league. We need Eboue and RVP so much right now.
Neither team played well, PSV defended well and scored a good goal, and we didn't really do anything right. I don't see how it was some tactical victory either, PSV basically did what every other team we've played at home this season has tried to do, but it worked for them because they're a better side than most teams in the league. We need Eboue and RVP so much right now.
The big tactical idea was to NOT have a striker playing against your 2 central defenders. Like Cruyff said: "these guys are used to playing against a striker. So you should make them play against no-one (with PSV's forward players going on the flanks), they wont know how to deal with it, and they're not good enough technically to fo forward and create things, so you will create a man-more situation elsewhere on the pitch"
Eboue could have indeed been the player to break that open. I'm not sure if Van Persie could have dealt with our defense though. But he would have had a better chance then Adebayor.
Del Piero
21-02-2007, 14:59
Gomes had a great game from what i saw of the game, it was a great goal by PSV in fairness.
Can you blame PSV for playing the way they did? No it's football and that is the beauty of it...very unpredictable and every team has their own style of play!
I can definitely blame them, I see them every week while I could be doing something equally useless and boring instead. Not a fan of Mendez in this game, he ran alot but he lost the ball way too much. T'was a nice goal though.
As for Yi-Long, I wasn't commenting on the match when I said PSV was dull but on them as a whole for the past 5,6 years. The match was exciting for me too as I was rooting for PSV too.
Zoolander
21-02-2007, 18:24
Eto'o for Henry anyone?
martin_cranie
21-02-2007, 18:27
I don't like Eto'o very much, as he's got a pretty bad attitude, and Henry will get back to winning ways soon enough. So no.
Zoolander
21-02-2007, 18:30
Wenger can handle him though. Van Persie & Adebayor being great examples.
martin_cranie
21-02-2007, 18:34
Neither of them are/were as bad as Eto'o in my view. RvP may have been reckless and head-strong, and Henry may be extremely arrogant, but Eto'o actually thinks he's God. He can't stand sharing the limelight with anyone. He puts his own needs ahead of the team. He mouths off in the press. He's an utter twat.
Zoolander
21-02-2007, 18:40
Neither of them are/were as bad as Eto'o in my view. RvP may have been reckless and head-strong, and Henry may be extremely arrogant, but Eto'o actually thinks he's God. He can't stand sharing the limelight with anyone. He puts his own needs ahead of the team. He mouths off in the press. He's utter twat.
:laugh:
Strikers need to be a little bit arrogant. I'm not sure how he acted at RCD Mallorca but he was their best player. I also think he's a twat.
calculus
21-02-2007, 18:58
Eto'o for Henry anyone?
No thank you, eto'o's attitude is a lot worse and would be de-stabilizing to the team!
ThierryHenry14
21-02-2007, 19:10
hmmmmm. pretty poor second half last night we went from having most of the possesion to having pratically none we weren't the cool,calm arsenal we usally are when we are losing i expect atleast a 2-0 win at home
alpine goal
21-02-2007, 20:45
Eto'o for Henry anyone?
NO WAY
Zoolander
21-02-2007, 21:03
Eto'o can head! :ninja:
alpine goal
21-02-2007, 21:07
Eto'o can head! :ninja:
You forgot the word "give" in front of head
The Stig
21-02-2007, 22:15
Eto'o can head! :ninja:
And so can Henry. Who was he done it against? Oh it was Man Utd :happy:
Zoolander
21-02-2007, 22:50
Even Crouch would have scored that header!
Viperized
21-02-2007, 22:55
A crap performance against PSV. I was very disappointed and quite shocked at Henry too. His diving/play-acting is absolutely pathetic. He needs to sort out of his attitude. Before the World Cup, he would be the last person I'd expect a dive from, but now it looks like he is probably going to continue. Is he doing it out of complete frustration? Pooor performance by him anyhow. I'm getting worried... he hasn't played well for a while now...
We were non-existent in attack and didn't do nothing when we had the ball except passing the ball among Toure, Senderos, Lehmann, Gallas. We gave PSV far too much space to attack. Gilberto's passing was absolutely shocking and Hleb lost the ball far too many times.
We miss Eboue and Van Persie.
At least the kids will be playing against Chelsea in the Carling Cup final. Should be exciting to watch Diaby and Denilson against Chelsea's midfield.
Viperized
21-02-2007, 23:28
No wonder Henry has been so poor recently:
"I have been playing with a bad foot for two weeks," Henry said. "I like to go out there, even if I am not 100 per cent. It is affecting my mobility, but I just want to help the team."
That is actually good news. Why?
At least I know his shocking performances and extreme lack of mobility is down to his bad foot. I'd be far more concerned if he wasn't injured.
This has given me confidence Henry of the old will return.
Keyser Soze
21-02-2007, 23:33
:laugh: Good excuse.
Even Crouch would have scored that header!
Are you kidding me?
Viperized
21-02-2007, 23:37
:laugh: Good excuse.
I think he is telling the truth.
He has looked unbelievably sluggish over the past few games.
Zoolander
21-02-2007, 23:38
Are you kidding me?
Okay 50/50 on that one.
calculus
21-02-2007, 23:42
No wonder Henry has been so poor recently:
"I have been playing with a bad foot for two weeks," Henry said. "I like to go out there, even if I am not 100 per cent. It is affecting my mobility, but I just want to help the team."
That is actually good news. Why?
At least I know his shocking performances and extreme lack of mobility is down to his bad foot. I'd be far more concerned if he wasn't injured.
This has given me confidence Henry of the old will return.
Will he be rested then for his foot injury to heal? A week off should do him good!
Well...it's silly for Wenger to let him play then....stupid decision! Aliadiere would have probably done better.
Dundon's
22-02-2007, 02:17
I just think we're missing Van Persie big time and it's only in the last few games we're feeling it. Remember Henrys first game back against Backburn when we had the both of them on at the same time?
Jesus we were awsome.
Just hope the beast has a good day at the office come Sunday, there's a lot lying on his shoulders.
calculus
22-02-2007, 02:29
I just think we're missing Van Persie big time and it's only in the last few games we're feeling it. Remember Henrys first game back against Backburn when we had the both of them on at the same time?
Jesus we were awsome.
Just hope the beast has a good day at the office come Sunday, there's a lot lying on his shoulders.
I like your avatar! And the Beast will be fine if he has Aliadiere to do all the leg work for him!
zerosktz
22-02-2007, 04:46
Wow that sucks for Henry.
Anyways, looks like Terry (and Boulahrouz) is out for Sunday's Final... That can only help Cesc and the boys. Hopefully Aliadiere and La Bestia can pull off something great come this someday.
Read somewhere Ashley Cole might get drafted back into Chelsea's first team for the Final after his injury... Looking to see his wife at the Emirates and a good thrashing for him from one of our guys! ;)
Dundon's
22-02-2007, 16:30
I like your avatar! And the Beast will be fine if he has Aliadiere to do all the leg work for him!
Lets hope so mate, his first touch the other night resulted in him tripping over the ball. :erm:
I also didn't like the fact he took the free kick which Henry clearly lined up for himself, If looks could kill. :ninja:
P.S. Prove me wrong Baptista, please prove me wrong....
I also didn't like the fact he took the free kick which Henry clearly lined up for himself, If looks could kill. :ninja:
I liked that, it shows at least he's got bottle and isn't afraid of Henry's dirty looks like some of our players, besides, Henry had done fuck all the entire second half, so he has no right to be upset.
Viperized
22-02-2007, 22:37
Fuck...
Bad news. Clichy may be injured. I've been reading Robben has done his hamstring, but I'm not sure if this is completely true. If Robben is injured, then I'm slightly relieved as he would rip Troare to shreds. Clichy would be better equipped to handle him.
Looks like Hoyte might not make it either. Eboue is definitely out.
Rossy Boy
22-02-2007, 22:56
All that you just said cant be good for us apart from robben may being injured
What you think the line up will be?
calculus
22-02-2007, 23:11
All that you just said cant be good for us apart from robben may being injured
What you think the line up will be?
Looks like we have a few casualties so I will wait and see what the squad is first?
I think Traore is still a bit raw to be going up against wingers of the caliber that Chelsea have!
Rossy Boy
22-02-2007, 23:15
If Clichy and Hoyte are injured i think gilberto should drop to CB then Djourou go RB and Gallas go LB if we want to stand a chance of them not scoring
calculus
22-02-2007, 23:16
If Clichy and Hoyte are injured i think gilberto should drop to CB then Djourou go RB and Gallas go LB if we want to stand a chance of them not scoring
You should know we don't concern ourselves too much with stopping the opposition scoring!
alpine goal
22-02-2007, 23:18
Looks like we have a few casualties so I will wait and see what the squad is first?
I think Traore is still a bit raw to be going up against wingers of the caliber that Chelsea have!
Totaly agree with "Traore" could be to much for a 17 year old.
I still think Hoyte will play but we know we the kids will play with just a touch of 1st team players.
Rossy Boy
22-02-2007, 23:22
Arsène Wenger has question marks over his two full backs ahead of Sunday’s Carling Cup Final against Chelsea.
As expected the Arsenal manger has ruled out a number of major stars from the game because they did not participate in the earlier rounds.
Justin Hoyte (hamstring) and Gael Clichy (foot) were in line to start but both are struggling with injury. They face fitness tests on Friday. Armand Traore is on stand-by if his fellow Frenchman fails to make it however Hoyte’s possible absence would cause a re-shuffle as Emmanuel Eboue (ankle) is also injured.
"Ljungberg, Gallas, Henry and Lehmann won't play,” confirmed Wenger at Thursday’s pre-match press conference. “Eboue is out. He is set to join in [training] tomorrow so I don't think I will involve him on Sunday.
“Clichy looks like he will be out as well. It's inflammation on his foot after he got a knock and he can't kick the ball. He has a scan and we’ll see tomorrow. Traore plays if he doesn't.
“Justin Hoyte will have a fitness test too because he has been out.”
Looks Like Traore will be playing then looking at what they said bout Clichy
Fuck...
Bad news. Clichy may be injured. I've been reading Robben has done his hamstring, but I'm not sure if this is completely true. If Robben is injured, then I'm slightly relieved as he would rip Troare to shreds. Clichy would be better equipped to handle him.
Looks like Hoyte might not make it either. Eboue is definitely out.
I believe Robben was doing light training today. Chances are he will play.
With you having a full back problem, we may see Willie Gallas starting against Chelsea for the first time :crymore:
calculus
22-02-2007, 23:38
Come on Arsenal!!! A bit early but I'm too ready for this match...I like the underdog feel!
pistolpete
23-02-2007, 11:46
I think Wenger will play Senderos and Toure centre halfs, Djourou or Flamini can fill in at right back, but more likely left wing to protect Traore, im pretty sure Traore will play left back.
My team.
Almunia
Djourou, Toure, Senderos, Traore, Flamini, Diaby, Denilson, Walcott, Baptista, Ade/Aliadiere.
Were in a no lose situation in my opinion, its no disgrace for our 2nd team to lose to a full strength Chelsea.
We can play without fear and hopefully, give them a surprise.
Viperized
23-02-2007, 14:38
The team you have posted will definitely lose. Flamini on left wing?
Viperized
23-02-2007, 14:40
My ideal team:
Almunia
Gallas Toure Djourou Troare*
Hleb Denilson Diaby Rosicky
Aliadiere Baptista
*I'd actually prefer Clichy but seeing as chances are slim, I'd guess I'm alright with Troare, as long as Robben doesn't attack him.
If Baptista starts, then Aliadiere must start. Aliadiere complements Baptista perfectly. His movement and pace is something that Adebayor doesn't offer. Aliadiere gets behind defenders. Adebayor doesn't.
So you think that Wegner won't field the youngsters for the final?
Viperized
23-02-2007, 14:44
That team is still young...
Traore is 17. Diaby and Denilson are both 19/18. Djourou is 20. Clichy is 21. Aliadiere is 22. Baptista is 24. Hleb, Rosicky and Toure are 25. Gallas and Almunia are 29 though.
True, just there is more experiance in there then there has been.
Canadian, Eh?
23-02-2007, 15:15
It will probably be a combination of those two teams. Rosicky will probably be rested. Flamini will probably be in the team as he didn't play at PSV, even if Viperized pouts over it. Hleb or Walcott will play on the right. Of course the bench will be loaded with talent.
Viperized
23-02-2007, 16:05
Why would Flamini play when he didn't play a significant part in any of the games in the Carling Cup?
Denilson and Diaby started against Bolton in the F.A. Cup when Flamini was available. I think its fairly safe to say Flamini may well be below Diaby and Denilson in the pecking order, and rightly so. They are both better players with great potential.
calculus
23-02-2007, 16:12
It will probably be a combination of those two teams. Rosicky will probably be rested. Flamini will probably be in the team as he didn't play at PSV, even if Viperized pouts over it. Hleb or Walcott will play on the right. Of course the bench will be loaded with talent.
Yeah I agree... I think the team will look something like this:
Almunia
Hoyte Djourou Toure Traore
Walcott Denilson Diaby Flamini
Aliadiere Baptista
Bench
Poom
Hleb
Rosicky
Senderos
Fabregas/Adebayor - depending on Hoyte's fitness!
Canadian, Eh?
23-02-2007, 16:13
Actually I think you are right. Lets go with this.
Almunia
Djourou Toure Senderos Traore
Walcott Gilberto Diaby Denilson
Baptista Aliadiere
I wouldn't play Walcott, but I think Wenger will.
calculus
23-02-2007, 16:17
Actually I think you are right. Lets go with this.
Almunia
Djourou Toure Senderos Traore
Walcott Gilberto Diaby Denilson
Baptista Aliadiere
I wouldn't play Walcott, but I think Wenger will.
Yeah he's been in the starting line up all the way to the final AW won't change that now I wouldn't believe! That's a good shout for Gilberto and thinking about it he might give Hleb a rest!
hazman79
23-02-2007, 16:26
My ideal team:
Almunia
Gallas Toure Djourou Troare*
Hleb Denilson Diaby Rosicky
Aliadiere Baptista
*I'd actually prefer Clichy but seeing as chances are slim, I'd guess I'm alright with Troare, as long as Robben doesn't attack him.
If Baptista starts, then Aliadiere must start. Aliadiere complements Baptista perfectly. His movement and pace is something that Adebayor doesn't offer. Aliadiere gets behind defenders. Adebayor doesn't.
Yeah should be alright cus Robben hates attacking.
I agree with the Aliadiere comments, I think he's absolutely quality and he should be playing all the time but obviously can't play in place of Henry or Van Persie. I wouldn't be suprised if he goes elsewhere.
The match on Sunday should be a good game, with the younger players you just never know.
calculus
23-02-2007, 16:33
Not being funny but it will be even better if Arsenal score first!
hazman79
23-02-2007, 16:46
Not being funny but it will be even better if Arsenal score first!
Agreed, otherwise Chelsea will grind the hell out of it.
Dundon's
23-02-2007, 16:57
If we can fire up the kidz one more time we'll give them a good run for their money, but if we're not at the races as in 110% I can't see Chelsea losing.
However I'm hoping for a 2-1 victory. (Rosicky/ Denilson)
P.S. Hazman dude, did you see this weeks dGs match? :rolleyes:
Viperized
23-02-2007, 17:23
Yeah should be alright cus Robben hates attacking.
1 I've heard Robben may be injured, though this may be unlikely
2 Robben usually attacks from the left side
pistolpete
23-02-2007, 17:44
Robben switches wings.
Im quite sure Flamini will play, id play him on the left wing to protect Traore if he plays - like Wenger did with Diaby against Spurs.
I think that Flamini is ahead of Denilson and Diaby in the pecking order - i dont think he should be but its Wengers team.
He started against Blackburn, when Gilberto played CB.
I dont think Wenger should bring in Gilberto - yes he brings experience but he also brings shocking passing and clumsy control.
Viperized
23-02-2007, 18:14
Diaby and Denilson started against Bolton, Spurs.
Flamini was only present against Blackburn to give Diaby and Denilson rest.
I know Robben switches wings, but he usually attacks from the left side, but the fact he switches wings is a reason I'd want Clichy to start.
I'm not sure how Flamini gives protection. Rosicky provides more protection. He wins more balls, tackles more cleanly, defends well whilst providing a vital attacking contribution.
calculus
23-02-2007, 20:13
If you were manager would you play the more senior players like Henry, Lehmann, Gallas etc?
Viperized
23-02-2007, 20:36
Baptista and Aliadiere is more than fine.
I'd want Rosicky and Hleb on the bench at the very least, if neither figure in the starting eleven.
I'm actually beginning to get a little bit nervous, and I'm happy we are the underdogs (not surprising though) as we tend to do more well we are underdogs.
This is how I reckon your lot will lineup on Sunday if Clichy and Hoyte are passed fit:
Almunia
Hoyte Toure (C) Senderos Clichy
Walcott Denilson Diaby Rosicky
Aliadiere Baptista
Subs:Poom,Djourou,Traore,Flami ni,Fabregas,Adebayor,Hleb
If they're not passed fit I reckon it'll be Djourou in for Hoyte and Traore in for Clichy with Connolly and Randall filling the two empty spaces on the bench.
Viperized
23-02-2007, 22:29
I think Cesc or Gilberto may even feature in this game.
I think Cesc or Gilberto may even feature in this game.
I didn't think Gilberto was in the squad.
It's Gallas that is out I think. Good luck boys! The neutrals I think will go for Arsenal....Babies vs Bentleys I read somewhere!! HA!
Viperized
24-02-2007, 11:00
Gallas is desperate to play.
http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=450419&CPID=2&clid=3&lid=2&title=Gallas+eyes+starting+spo t&channel=football_home&
I'm routing for yous lads, although it doesn't make a blind bit of difference.
But everyone knows my love for the Arsenal philosophy in how the game should be played.
Dr. Bob Kelso
24-02-2007, 11:08
I'm routing for yous lads, although it doesn't make a blind bit of difference.
But everyone knows my love for the Arsenal philosophy in how the game should be played.
With a Newcastle fan behind you you can't possibly lose. :P
alpine goal
24-02-2007, 11:30
Flamini will play some part in the final I think it will depend on whos fit to where he will play
pistolpete
24-02-2007, 14:44
I think Walcott will start and Hleb will finish, cant see Theo getting much joy against Bridge, he didnt get any change out of Warnock against Blackburn.
Flamini offers protection to the left back if he plays left wing because he has played there - cant see how Rosicky gives more protection but he definately offers more going forward.
I can see us scoring, especially as Chelsea are struggling for defenders, Terry is out and i read somewhere that Bhoularouz is out - looks like it will be Carvalho and Essien or Ferreira.
calculus
24-02-2007, 15:02
Gilberto, Baptista and Denilson playing insturments and dancing samba!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-RiCQZkaF7M#
I think Walcott will start and Hleb will finish, cant see Theo getting much joy against Bridge, he didnt get any change out of Warnock against Blackburn.
Flamini offers protection to the left back if he plays left wing because he has played there - cant see how Rosicky gives more protection but he definately offers more going forward.
I can see us scoring, especially as Chelsea are struggling for defenders, Terry is out and i read somewhere that Bhoularouz is out - looks like it will be Carvalho and Essien or Ferreira.
John Terrance has been declared fit, according to bbc sport.
pistolpete
24-02-2007, 15:09
hmm yeah just saw that, although he cant be 100% fit, he only twisted it on Wednesday,
Viperized
24-02-2007, 15:14
I think Walcott will start and Hleb will finish, cant see Theo getting much joy against Bridge, he didnt get any change out of Warnock against Blackburn.
Flamini offers protection to the left back if he plays left wing because he has played there - cant see how Rosicky gives more protection but he definately offers more going forward.
I can see us scoring, especially as Chelsea are struggling for defenders, Terry is out and i read somewhere that Bhoularouz is out - looks like it will be Carvalho and Essien or Ferreira.
Flamini can't tackle as he often ends up getting a yellow card. Why would Flamini play in the final when he hasn't featured in any of the previous games? It would be unfair on Rosicky, who was the one who changed the game for us against Spurs.
martin_cranie
24-02-2007, 16:07
Gunners keen on Akinfeev
CSKA Moscow goalkeeper Igor Akinfeev claims that Arsenal want to sign him this summer but they must compete with AC Milan.
The Gunners are looking for a long-term replacement for Jens Lehmann as the 37-year-old is out of contract at the end of the season and is stalling on a new deal.
And Akinfeev insists he would welcome the chance to join Arsene Wenger's side
He said: "I am delighted that a club of such calibre are interested in me. You can't have too many chances like that in your career.
"Of course, if they make an offer, I'll take it seriously and will think about it."
However, the Rossoneri are also reportedly lining up Akinfeev as they are likely to let Brazilian Dida leave in the summer.
Source (http://www.itv-football.co.uk/Story/0,14272,6107_1928390,00.html)
:w00t
I hate to break it to you, but I think those quotes are the same ones from that article a few months ago. As a matter of fact I think that's basically the same article except Milan have be thrown in.
Scarface
24-02-2007, 16:19
Gilberto, Baptista and Denilson playing insturments and dancing samba!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-RiCQZkaF7M#
Haha, I was about to post that.
I'll give you odds of 5/1 that Julio Baptista has a #1 single within the year. He's better than Iglesias.
Denilson could be one of his dancers, along with Adebayor and Henry :huh:
calculus
24-02-2007, 16:21
Haha, I was about to post that.
I'll give you odds of 5/1 that Julio Baptista has a #1 single within the year. He's better than Iglesias.
Denilson could be one of his dancers, along with Adebayor and Henry :huh:
I would love to see Henry dancing again! :huh:
Viperized
24-02-2007, 16:23
I wouldn't. Henry and Adebayor dancing is cringeworthy, really.
That is the worst dance, ever.
calculus
24-02-2007, 16:26
I wouldn't. Henry and Adebayor dancing is cringeworthy, really.
That is the worst dance, ever.
If they are dancing it would mean he's scored! ;)
Scarface
24-02-2007, 16:46
Arsenal Mastermind (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALLSjEYbL-8&NR)
Who scored the winning goal in the 1971 Cup Final?
Fabregas: Robert Pires?
:laugh:
martin_cranie
24-02-2007, 16:50
I hate to break it to you, but I think those quotes are the same ones from that article a few months ago. As a matter of fact I think that's basically the same article except Milan have be thrown in.
Damn! Well I'm still excited, as we all should be. If he signs for anyone else, I will cry.
Viperized
24-02-2007, 17:02
Kolo:
"CHELSEA CHELSEA!!"
"Can I start again?"
Here is a video of an interview with Toure:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR9TRB-pFlw
'I can beat Adebayor!'
alpine goal
24-02-2007, 18:04
Flamini can't tackle as he often ends up getting a yellow card. Why would Flamini play in the final when he hasn't featured in any of the previous games? It would be unfair on Rosicky, who was the one who changed the game for us against Spurs.
Right lets nail this down about FLAMINI
Games he played in the league cup this season
W.B.A
90 mins
Everton
90 mins
Liverpool
not in the squad
Spurs first leg
Came on as sub in the 81 min
Spurs second leg
unused sub
Viperized
24-02-2007, 18:18
Randall and Connolly played against WBA and Everton if I can remember correctly.
Do they deserve a place in the final?
alpine goal
24-02-2007, 18:27
Randall and Connolly played against WBA and Everton if I can remember correctly.
Do they deserve a place in the final?
No as they have not played as many mins as Flamini in this seasons comp'
pistolpete
24-02-2007, 18:45
Connoly had 90mins vs WBA, Randall had 10 mins at the end of that game and the Everton game.
I personally dont rate Flamini, but i respect the effort he puts in when he plays and at least he makes runs into the box.
However it is Wengers choice and i think he will use Flamini, we have got a lot of games coming up and not a lot of wingers playing well.
Rosicky made a huge difference against Spurs in the 2nd leg but so dod Hleb in the 1st leg.
I would rather see Rosicky play LW but i think Wenger will go with someone to protect th LB (Flamini, Diaby)
Surely Wenger wont pick the team based on minutes they have played - cant see him in his office now with the teamsheets and a calculator.
alpine goal
24-02-2007, 18:59
Flamini can't tackle as he often ends up getting a yellow card. Why would Flamini play in the final when he hasn't featured in any of the previous games? It would be unfair on Rosicky, who was the one who changed the game for us against Spurs.
Look at this post please pistolpete mainly the bit Flamini HASN'T FEATURED in any of the previous games.
I was putting the FACTS not my dislikes of players.
NO ITS NOT DOWN TO MINS ON THE PITCH BUT VIPERZED WAS SAYING HE SHOULD NOT PLAY AS HE HAS NOT SO FAR.
Hope Flamini scores the winner and when I get back I will be straight on here if I can still see.
pistolpete
24-02-2007, 19:03
My post was directed at Viperized not you, should have quoted, sorry.
Im making the same points as you are!
alpine goal
24-02-2007, 19:15
My post was directed at Viperized not you, should have quoted, sorry.
Im making the same points as you are!
Thats cool I thought you were backing his usless point up.
alpine goal
24-02-2007, 19:20
Randall and Connolly played against WBA and Everton if I can remember correctly.
Do they deserve a place in the final?
Randell played 31mins v WBA and 20 mins v Everton
Connolly played full 90 v WBA and 3 mins v Liverpool
These are FACTS.
pistolpete
24-02-2007, 19:28
No im on your side!
Quoting arsenal.com
vs WBA
http://www.arsenal.com/matchreport.asp?thisNav=fixtur es&fxid=300352&cpid=705&clid=4421
alpine goal
24-02-2007, 19:28
Cant make my mind up on what the score will be. I would be happy to see our boys not get beat big. But I still think we can win it !
1-1 at full time......... Beast
1-1 at extra time
6-5 on pens ........... Alumina to save Lampards pen I hope
alpine goal
24-02-2007, 19:33
No im on your side!
Quoting arsenal.com
vs WBA
http://www.arsenal.com/matchreport.asp?thisNav=fixtur es&fxid=300352&cpid=705&clid=4421
Yeh I put down he played 31 mins I will now go kick myself hard I should have put 11 mins v WBA
thanks pp
Viperized
24-02-2007, 20:06
We're playing Chelsea here, not Aston Villa. Someone to protect the LB? Oh please. If Traore is good enough, he starts. If he isn't then don't pick him. It saves all the hassle altogether.
Rosicky DOES track back and DOES tackle. His work rate is terrific. Didn't you see him run the pitch length of the Emirates Stadium to tackle C. Ronaldo? Honestly, I'm not sure where you get the idea that Flamini will 'protect' the LB.
If we want to win, we'll want to pick a strong side, not a side which has a player who is defensively average and whose attacking game is hardly great, though he might have unlimited stamina. But Rosicky's work rate is excellent and he CAN tackle. (Seems like if you are seen offensively adept then you are defensively inept. Hmm...)
Rosicky is world class. Flamini is not.
I'd just like to add if Flamini was going to start against Chelsea, then why didn't he start against Liverpool and Tottenham, two teams which are off better quality than WBA and Everton?
calculus
24-02-2007, 21:20
We're playing Chelsea here, not Aston Villa. Someone to protect the LB? Oh please. If Traore is good enough, he starts. If he isn't then don't pick him. It saves all the hassle altogether.
Rosicky DOES track back and DOES tackle. His work rate is terrific. Didn't you see him run the pitch length of the Emirates Stadium to tackle C. Ronaldo? Honestly, I'm not sure where you get the idea that Flamini will 'protect' the LB.
If we want to win, we'll want to pick a strong side, not a side which has a player who is defensively average and whose attacking game is hardly great, though he might have unlimited stamina. But Rosicky's work rate is excellent and he CAN tackle. (Seems like if you are seen offensively adept then you are defensively inept. Hmm...)
Rosicky is world class. Flamini is not.
I'd just like to add if Flamini was going to start against Chelsea, then why didn't he start against Liverpool and Tottenham, two teams which are off better quality than WBA and Everton?
I think this is going a bit far this speculation about Flamini...We will see the team tomorrow and enjoy the final and hopefully pull off a shock win against the odds!
vanNistelrooy
24-02-2007, 21:28
At the end of the day you have nothing to lose (playing your reserves) and everything to win.
Flamini can do a good job for you tomorrow (if he plays). He didn't do too bad against Chelski last time did he?
calculus
24-02-2007, 21:32
At the end of the day you have nothing to lose (playing your reserves) and everything to win.
Flamini can do a good job for you tomorrow (if he plays). He didn't do too bad against Chelski last time did he?
Exactly he is not that bad a player as everyone makes out they have qualities that are required in the premiership!
Energy when you are playing football is a good thing! No one likes a lazy tnuc!:angry:
Viperized
24-02-2007, 21:55
At the end of the day you have nothing to lose (playing your reserves) and everything to win.
Flamini can do a good job for you tomorrow (if he plays). He didn't do too bad against Chelski last time did he?
That was in central midfield.
Playing Flamini on the wings is suicidal, especially when you have far better options available.
alpine goal
24-02-2007, 22:01
We're playing Chelsea here, not Aston Villa. Someone to protect the LB? Oh please. If Traore is good enough, he starts. If he isn't then don't pick him. It saves all the hassle altogether.
Rosicky DOES track back and DOES tackle. His work rate is terrific. Didn't you see him run the pitch length of the Emirates Stadium to tackle C. Ronaldo? Honestly, I'm not sure where you get the idea that Flamini will 'protect' the LB.
If we want to win, we'll want to pick a strong side, not a side which has a player who is defensively average and whose attacking game is hardly great, though he might have unlimited stamina. But Rosicky's work rate is excellent and he CAN tackle. (Seems like if you are seen offensively adept then you are defensively inept. Hmm...)
Rosicky is world class. Flamini is not.
I'd just like to add if Flamini was going to start against Chelsea, then why didn't he start against Liverpool and Tottenham, two teams which are off better quality than WBA and Everton?
He was not fit v Liverpool in the LC but he did play in C.M v Liverpool in the FA CUP which we won and in the league at home .............................. .............................. ...................... now who did score the first goal v Liverpool at home ? oh I know the same player who put us 1-0 away at Chelsea
anyone else know ?
Viperized
24-02-2007, 22:03
What position did he play? Central midfield. Was he on the left wing? No. Playing Flamini on the left is absolutely pointless and he would offer absolutely nothing.
I'd rather put Denilson on the left in place of Rosicky with Fabregas partnering Diaby, but I'd prefer Rosicky to start on the left.
alpine goal
24-02-2007, 22:11
He was not fit v Liverpool in the LC but he did play in C.M v Liverpool in the FA CUP which we won and in the league at home .............................. .............................. ...................... now who did score the first goal v Liverpool at home ? oh I know the same player who put us 1-0 away at Chelsea
anyone else know ?
What do you think C.M means ?
cowboy milker
AT NO PIONT HAVE I SAID PLAY FLAMINI ON ANY WING HAVE I
What do you think C.M means ?
cowboy milker
AT NO PIONT HAVE I SAID PLAY FLAMINI ON ANY WING HAVE IQuoted and argued with yourself there like pal. :laugh:
Viperized
24-02-2007, 22:15
What do you think C.M means ?
cowboy milker
AT NO PIONT HAVE I SAID PLAY FLAMINI ON ANY WING HAVE I
You didn't? Then why did you reply to my post about me stating Rosicky should start on the wing.
calculus
24-02-2007, 22:16
Boys, Boys, Boys...what's the fuss? We should laud Flamini like he's a hero...he played left back in the knockout stages of the CL last season only to be left out in the final!
I think he deserves a place in the final where ever he plays...he fills in positions with no fuss! Yes he makes mistakes but even Ronaldinho is playing sh*t at the moment!
He scores against Chelsea and still doesn't get credit...give him a break!
He was not fit v Liverpool in the LC but he did play in C.M v Liverpool in the FA CUP which we won and in the league at home .............................. .............................. ...................... now who did score the first goal v Liverpool at home ? oh I know the same player who put us 1-0 away at Chelsea
anyone else know ?
I know! The same player who apart from those goals offered us absolutely nothing else through the rest of the match. Besides, Flamini was the reason that despite beating Liverpool 3-1 we were under haevy pressure much of the match. When he has the ball he has little ability to retain it and when he doesn't have it he chases it without ever winning it.
I think he deserves a place in the final where ever he plays...he fills in positions with no fuss! Yes he makes mistakes but even Ronaldinho is playing sh*t at the moment!
No fuss? Except when earlier in the season when we were forced to play Hoyte at left back because he refused to do so. Heroic indeed.
calculus
24-02-2007, 22:21
No fuss? Except when earlier in the season when we were forced to play Hoyte at left back because he refused to do so. Heroic indeed.
He's probably traumatised by the CL final! :rolleyes: On a serious note would you deny him a place in another final?
I am not sure he will play though, but you see my poing don't you?
Viperized
24-02-2007, 22:25
I think he deserves a place in the final where ever he plays
Flamini as GK? Hell no.
RB? Nope.
CB? Are you joking?
LB? Maybe, if Clichy isn't available. But Traore looks like he is going to start.
RM: No.
CM: Not when you have Cesc, Diaby, Denilson and Gilberto as your midfield options. Not as good as any of the midfielders mentioned.
LM: No.
ST: No.
If you want to win trophies, you pick a strong team. He was left out the final because Cuntley Cole is a superior LB to Flamini.
IIRC wasn't Flamini injured a few weeks before the CL final and not fully fit for it? I always though that's why he didn't start.
calculus
24-02-2007, 22:34
Flamini as GK? Hell no.
RB? Nope.
CB? Are you joking?
LB? Maybe, if Clichy isn't available. But Traore looks like he is going to start.
RM: No.
CM: Not when you have Cesc, Diaby, Denilson and Gilberto as your midfield options. Not as good as any of the midfielders mentioned.
LM: No.
ST: No.
If you want to win trophies, you pick a strong team. He was left out the final because Cuntley Cole is a superior LB to Flamini.
Wow, you really don't like Flamini?
IIRC wasn't Flamini injured a few weeks before the CL final and not fully fit for it? I always though that's why he didn't start.
He was fit enough but Cole was back and is a natural left back...regardless of the rumours I think it was a good choice!
alpine goal
24-02-2007, 22:41
Quoted and argued with yourself there like pal. :laugh:
fair play when i first read that i didnt get what you ment then it hit me still laughing
Viperized
24-02-2007, 22:43
Wow, you really don't like Flamini?
Read what I've said about LB and CM, then read the other positions. What the hell has this got to do with liking Flamini? He is a completely average footballer. If he was good enough, he'd start in CM (his preferred position), but he isn't. Fabregas, Diaby, Denilson and Gilberto >>>> Flamini. This is reality. As for him starting in any position, Flamini is not a GK, CB, ST, RM, RB and a LM!
calculus
24-02-2007, 22:45
Read what I've said about LB and CM, then read the other positions.
Flamini is not a GK, CB, ST, RM, RB and a LM!!
Read it again!...you :no: like Flamini!
Viperized
24-02-2007, 22:49
lol???? As I said, if he was good enough he'd start.
"I think he deserves a place in the final where ever he plays"
I explained why not. Sadly*for Flamini, he has better players in front of him, in all positions on the pitch. Some may argue that we need a squad player. But why would we have Flamini as we now have Diaby back with the rise of Denilson?
*and happily for me. Lol only joking. Or am I?
calculus
24-02-2007, 22:53
Who's better Ray Parlour or Matthieu Flamini?
Viperized
24-02-2007, 22:55
Ray Parlour.
Stronger, faster, scored a few goals, more assists, better in attack, was able to pass the ball and keep hold of it.
Ray Parlour, by miles. I'm not sure what you're getting at, but Parlour actually made an impact with all his running.
calculus
24-02-2007, 22:58
Ray Parlour, by miles. I'm not sure what you're getting at, but Parlour actually made an impact with all his running.
The key word! I think some fans expect too much from Flamini!
Viperized
24-02-2007, 23:01
Thats the key word because thats all he ever does. Run.
Too much from Flamini? I'm not expecting anything from Flamini. Read my previous posts. As I've said, he offers little and it would be completely stupid to put him on the left, when we have Rosicky, a top class player. He can be a match winner, Flamini can't.
Doesn't matter though. We now have five midfielders. Flamini must be getting worried. Diaby and Denilson are both better, and next season I'm completely sure Diaby and Denilson will get more games. If not, then I'll regard Flamini as the greatest central midfielder we've ever had.not!
calculus
24-02-2007, 23:02
Thats the key word because thats all he ever does. Run.
Too much from Flamini? I'm not expecting anything from Flamini. Read my previous posts. As I've said, he offers little and it would be completely stupid to put him on the left, when we have Rosicky, a top class player. He can be a match winner, Flamini can't.
What has Walcott contributed of late?
Viperized
24-02-2007, 23:06
When coming off the bench, he has pretty much changed games for us. He has got a number of valuable assists to his name.
calculus
24-02-2007, 23:18
When coming off the bench, he has pretty much changed games for us. He has got a number of valuable assists to his name.
Key phrase: of late?
Now what is your answer? :happy:
TBH I don't think Theo should start either, but he's played in every other match so I'm 99% sure he will. Besides, Theo's 17 and has shown glimpses of his talent several times. Flamini is 22 and has only put in a handful of good performances. And I mean good by Arsenal standards, not good by Flamini standards.
calculus
24-02-2007, 23:28
TBH I don't think Theo should start either, but he's played in every other match so I'm 99% sure he will. Besides, Theo's 17 and has shown glimpses of his talent several times. Flamini is 22 and has only put in a handful of good performances. And I mean good by Arsenal standards, not good by Flamini standards.
I'm not a fan of Flamini! I'm just being devil's advocate!
I think Rosicky on the left would be a great move he is absolutely world class...remember Pires in his first season players need time to adjust!
Walcott I think would probably be better off up top but I guess AW wants him to grow a bit more I think he is grooming him in the way he did with Henry in his early years!
Viperized
24-02-2007, 23:33
Key phrase: of late?
Now what is your answer? :happy:
I've already said that Walcott has struggled against fullbacks when starting games, but I think he is far better suited to coming off the bench.
calculus
24-02-2007, 23:37
I've already said that Walcott has struggled against fullbacks when starting games, but I think he is far better suited to coming off the bench.
I think the final will be a good experience for Walcott!
Zoolander
25-02-2007, 01:54
Paper talk saying £20 million for Eto'o!
calculus
25-02-2007, 01:58
Paper talk saying £20 million for Eto'o!
HAHA! Please no! He would be better at United!
Please yes:w00t :w00t I don't give a fuck about any attitude problems, the guy is dynamite.
calculus
25-02-2007, 02:07
Please yes:w00t :w00t I don't give a fuck about any attitude problems, the guy is dynamite.
You will when rains over Henry's parade and they don't pass to each other and start doing childish stuff...Is he really as bad as they say he is?
Zoolander
25-02-2007, 02:10
Hopefully we will see how he handles not being the big fish.
You will when rains over Henry's parade and they don't pass to each other and start doing childish stuff...Is he really as bad as they say he is?
Adebayor and RVP were both supposed troublemakers at their old clubs and they get along just fine with Henry. I wouldn't pass up the chance to sign Eto'o because he might not get along with Henry.
martin_cranie
25-02-2007, 04:07
They were young and inexperienced enough to change. Eto'o has achieved world class status with his attitude problem; in other words he's set in his ways, and unlikely to change. For every goal he scored, he'd create a problem off the field. I don't want him anywhere near our team.
An on form Henry with Adebayor and RvP fighting it out for the other starting role, and Aliadiere, Baptista and Bendtner as backup, is more than good enough to win The Premiership.
calculus
25-02-2007, 04:10
They were young and inexperienced enough to change. Eto'o has achieved world class status with his attitude problem; in other words he's set in his ways, and unlikely to change. For every goal he scored, he'd create a problem off the field. I don't want him anywhere near our team.
An on form Henry with Adebayor and RvP fighting it out for the other starting role, and Aliadiere, Baptista and Bendtner as backup, is more than good enough to win The Premiership.
I like that thought!
Scarface
25-02-2007, 04:18
Who's better Ray Parlour or Matthieu Flamini?
Bit of a no-contest there. Gilles Grimandi or Mathieu Flamini might be a closer run thing ;)
Ray Parlour was a great player for us. What i'd give for a player like him in the squad at the moment.
Flamini, while not as bad as he's made out to be at times, isn't Arsenal standard. He deserves praise for the job he did filling in us our left back in Europe last season, but sometimes it's almost made out as if he was playing out of his skin. Who really put any pressure on him? He did well to shut out Beckham's service, but he's not exactly the only one to succeed there in recent seasons. Camoranesi provided him with no problems, as he was too busy falling over the place and acting like a petulant brat, and Villarreal used a formation which gave him little trouble. I don't mean to be downbeat on the guy's performances, but it's not as if he put in magnificent defensive performances against the likes of Quaresma, Ronaldo and Joaquin, when at times, the way people go on about it, it's as if he did.
It was the right decision to replace him with Ashley Cole for the final, as he coped well with the significant threat Giuly posed, whereas Flamini could and probably would have been really troubled by his pace.
I hope he doesn't start in the Carling Cup Final, either. Denilson and Diaby are more likely to put in positive displays, and they need the experience more than Flamini does. Flamini has a good engine and great work rate but, other than that, what does he actually give us?
calculus
25-02-2007, 04:25
Bit of a no-contest there. Gilles Grimandi or Mathieu Flamini might be a closer run thing ;)
Ray Parlour was a great player for us. What i'd give for a player like him in the squad at the moment.
Flamini, while not as bad as he's made out to be at times, isn't Arsenal standard. He deserves praise for the job he did filling in us our left back in Europe last season, but sometimes it's almost made out as if he was playing out of his skin. Who really put any pressure on him? He did well to shut out Beckham's service, but he's not exactly the only one to succeed there in recent seasons. Camoranesi provided him with no problems, as he was too busy falling over the place and acting like a petulant brat, and Villarreal used a formation which gave him little trouble. I don't mean to be downbeat on the guy's performances, but it's not as if he put in magnificent defensive performances against the likes of Quaresma, Ronaldo and Joaquin, when at times, the way people go on about it, it's as if he did.
It was the right decision to replace him with Ashley Cole for the final, as he coped well with the significant threat Giuly posed, whereas Flamini could and probably would have been really troubled by his pace.
I hope he doesn't start in the Carling Cup Final, either. Denilson and Diaby are more likely to put in positive displays, and they need the experience more than Flamini does. Flamini has a good engine and great work rate but, other than that, what does he actually give us?
I have compared him to Grimandi in this thread before stating that Wenger likes a player of this type...meaning a player with high energy that can fill positions and is essentially a squad player and nothing more there was a player before Grimandi another French guy who was in exactly the same mould can't remember his name at the moment!
Scarface
25-02-2007, 04:37
I have compared him to Grimandi in this thread before stating that Wenger likes a player of this type...meaning a player with high energy that can fill positions and is essentially a squad player and nothing more there was a player before Grimandi another French guy who was in exactly the same mould can't remember his name at the moment!
Remi Garde?
Yeah, he does like to have at least one hard-working midfielder in his squad, and he isn't a terrible squad player to have, but he's been more of a regular starter the past couple of seasons, with the number of appearances he has, and he's shown on too many occasions that he doesn't have the ability to be a regular starter. I hope Abou Diaby and/or Denilson Neves start edging ahead of him. People might point out the important goals he's scored for us this season, and that's all very good but - without wanting to be too unfair on the guy, as I do appreciate the effort he shows and his tremendous work rate - did any of them require a great amount of skill? A Non-League player should have been able to score any of them, and Denilson and Diaby certainly could.
calculus
25-02-2007, 04:43
Remi Garde?
Yeah, he does like to have at least one hard-working midfielder in his squad, and he isn't a terrible squad player to have, but he's been more of a regular starter the past couple of seasons, with the number of appearances he has, and he's shown on too many occasions that he doesn't have the ability to be a regular starter. I hope Abou Diaby and/or Denilson Neves start edging ahead of him. People might point out the important goals he's scored for us this season, and that's all very good but - without wanting to be too unfair on the guy, as I do appreciate the effort he shows and his tremendous work rate - did any of them require a great amount of skill? A Non-League player should have been able to score any of them, and Denilson and Diaby certainly could.
That's the guy!!!!:laugh:
The only reason he has started so much is because of injuries and the inexperience of players like Denilson but the League cup has made them stronger so he will have to take a back seat and let the more skillful players take over!
Scarface
25-02-2007, 04:50
Yep, true, Denilson wasn't around and Diaby had that long term injury, so we didn't have (m)any alternatives, but there's still been enough signs this season that Wenger regards him as our 3rd choice centre midfielder. Hopefully, sooner rather than later, after their impressive Cup performances, they'll both move ahead of him in the competition for a starting place, as they are certainly more suited to the Arsenal style, while also being able to help out on the