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Maybe Hleb was afraid to shoot before, because he knew if he missed, he would get a dirty stare from Henry.
Rossy Boy
16-08-2007, 04:05
:huh: Gallas still has the captains armband
:huh: Gallas still has the captains armband
You seem surprised?
Stella Artois
16-08-2007, 20:20
:huh: Gallas still has the captains armband
Yeah funny that, doesn't a captain normally give it to someone else for a laugh?
Prat.
pistolpete
16-08-2007, 21:38
Just seen the goals and what a run by Clichy for the 1st goal and Sagna for the 2nd.
Thats 2 excellent run and assists from Clichy already this season - i read on arsenal.com that he wanted to add goals and assists to his game and he is already doing that, seems like a decent pro as well.
Really good result last night, should be reasonably comfortable finishing the job at home.
Hleb seems to be doing well in his free role, he has already matched his goal tally in each of the last 2 seasons! Question is - when Eduardo and/or Ade are fit - where will Hleb play or will he warrant a place up front?
Stella Artois
16-08-2007, 21:42
You've got to assume that Hleb will be back as a right-winger. Hopefully his little stint at number 10 has given him more confidence going forward as we need him to add more goals to his game.
Just got hold of a season ticket for the rest of the season! :D:D:D
£750 however.
pistolpete
17-08-2007, 06:55
Thats what i hoped, maybe AW will use him there in europe with one upfront, i would think that position is better suited to Rosicky though, id be surprised if he doesnt get a chance in that position.
£750 not that bad when a lot of people pay £50 per game, at that price you get the next 15 home games at £50 each, and the rest of the games, plus europe and cups thrown in for free.
Viperized
17-08-2007, 09:21
Hleb upfront leaves Van Persie isolated. Sticking Hleb on left wing is a better idea, as he seems to be a lot better there.
Viperized
17-08-2007, 09:22
Just got hold of a season ticket for the rest of the season! :D:D:D
£750 however.
Nice.
I'll be lucky to go to one game this season thanks to my AS results. ¬_¬
Thats what i hoped, maybe AW will use him there in europe with one upfront, i would think that position is better suited to Rosicky though, id be surprised if he doesnt get a chance in that position.
£750 not that bad when a lot of people pay £50 per game, at that price you get the next 15 home games at £50 each, and the rest of the games, plus europe and cups thrown in for free.:ohmy:
Nifty1Pound50
17-08-2007, 18:19
Jonny - I think you misunderstood, mate.
He's hypothesising about what sort of value-for-money Stella's getting. They don't throw in the cup games for "free" on the season tickets - you do pay for them in the overall price.
Stella Artois
17-08-2007, 19:43
:ohmy:
Its £1200 normally...
The bloke I'm getting it off is moving to Australia and obviously wants to make some money back.
I worked out that I will get a minimum of 21 games, which still works out at £35 a game; which is hardly cheap when you factor in everything else.
Still, I couldn't turn it down!
pistolpete
17-08-2007, 22:37
i think you've done alright there as there is no way that we will be knocked out of all the cups before you get a home game.
Also think of it in terms of the quality of football being played in front of you -imagine how chelsea fans feel, at double the price, watching long ball, and lining the pockets of someone who has more money than anyone can even imagine.
i think you've done alright there as there is no way that we will be knocked out of all the cups before you get a home game.
Also think of it in terms of the quality of football being played in front of you -imagine how chelsea fans feel, at double the price, watching long ball, and lining the pockets of someone who has more money than anyone can even imagine.
That's damn good value Stella!
But PistolPete...chelsea are looking a bit better this season...not as bad as before...haha! Stilll can't argue with you about value, as long as our boys do some shooting as well as passing! :w00t
van Persie just loves to play against Blackburn.
Exciting game that. Highly entertaining, although not very high standing technically.
vanNistelrooy
19-08-2007, 17:23
:no: Jens :no:
You sound as if you care?
Viperized
19-08-2007, 23:28
Jens you fool, you cost us 3 points!
AgentZero
19-08-2007, 23:50
laughable keeping, roy carroll eat your heart out!!!!!
Awful Jens.
:no:
Why on earth isn't Fabianski even on our bench? Almunias even worse then Lehmann, and now looks like a gay latino bitch too with his new hair-do.
Can't help but feel bitter about this game, we very nearly won one of our supposed 'problem games'.
Agh.
Viperized
20-08-2007, 10:27
Almunia has looked impressive for us during pre-season. Surely he cannot do any worse than Jens - 2 games, 2 fuck-ups.
Edit:
Gallas injured for 2/3 weeks! :( He'll miss games against Man City, Portsmouth and Sparta Prague.
I would love to see Fabianksi get some games as he also has looked impressive, though I doubt he'll have a major role this season, if any.
Jens you fool, you cost us 3 points!
Technically...cost us 2 points Vip!!! HA! But agree with the sentiment that he's really not doing himself or the team any good...last thing we need is a underconfident shot stopper.
Disagree about throwing him out straight away...but it's Wenger's call...if it was me...I'd put Almunia on straight away or blood Fabianski...can't be any worse than Jens at this point.
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I wonder why Wenger still bother to put Jens as the 1st choice keeper?
Give Fabianski a shot!
Maybe he will do better than Jens! :smug:
Gooner10
21-08-2007, 17:16
A monkey with one arm and a limp would do better than Lehman. Ok overexaggerated a bit! But still at least he should be dropped after those mistakes and let Almunia come in for him. Also it seems Gallas may be out untill October...and still no new signings this month to cover any of these positions. Theres only so many lucky stops Senderos can make
vanNistelrooy
21-08-2007, 19:57
He's still a class shot stopper, better than Aluminium.
Fabianski may need time to get used to the English game, so maybe Carling Cup games or home games vs easy teams would be the best way to slowly get him into the team?
Keyser Soze
21-08-2007, 20:02
Fabianski may need time to get used to the English game, so maybe Carling Cup games or home games vs easy teams would be the best way to slowly get him into the team?
How the fuck do keepers have to adapt to different styles of football?
He's still a class shot stopper, better than Aluminium.
Fabianski may need time to get used to the English game, so maybe Carling Cup games or home games vs easy teams would be the best way to slowly get him into the team?
Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?
Scarface
21-08-2007, 20:27
Jens Lehmann has whined ever since joining us about goalkeepers not receiving as much protection as they do in the Bundesliga or other European leagues which has predictably led to English teams constantly trying to wind him up, but hopefully Fabianski isn't such a prat and doesn't make a meal out of things to the same degree.
I actually rate Faulty Manuel an equal, occasionally superior shot-stopper to Jens. I have no concerns with Almunia as far as that goes - he has excellent agility and reflexes and pulls off some top saves - but he leaves me even more concerned than when Jens is in goal (as he lacks pretty much everything else a top goalkeeper needs), and that takes some going.
It's a shame Wenger didn't pick up Timo Hildebrand on a free transfer, having long been linked with him, so we'd have someone we can be very confident has the right attributes to be our long-term #1, but fingers crossed Fabianski will prove his quality.
vanNistelrooy
21-08-2007, 20:28
How the fuck do keepers have to adapt to different styles of football?
Not so much the style, but the standard. He prolly played with less-quality players, therefore was kept busy. Being at a big club like Arsenal he's going to have to get used to making only 3 or 4 saves a game, and making sure he makes those saves.
Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?
Hopefully not as stupid as your username.
James why you disagreed that Fabianski will prove his quality?
Hildebrand was gash last season and it amazes me Stuttgart won the leauge despite his best efforts to fuck it up, i'm not sure why anyone would still want him considering he only had one good season.
Scarface
21-08-2007, 20:41
James why you disagreed that Fabianski will prove his quality?
I have only seen a very limited amount of him, so don't have a good idea as to how reliable he is, but I hope he performs very well when called upon, as we need more security between the sticks.
Viperized
21-08-2007, 22:59
Not so much the style, but the standard. He prolly played with less-quality players, therefore was kept busy. Being at a big club like Arsenal he's going to have to get used to making only 3 or 4 saves a game, and making sure he makes those saves.
Good communication with the defence is also important.
RB14 ARSENAL
22-08-2007, 10:58
I think it's time to kick Jens out of the team.
Tbh, I would've got rid of him last year and it's time to get him on his bike to Germany and get Viera from Villareal!
Hildebrand was gash last season and it amazes me Stuttgart won the leauge despite his best efforts to fuck it up, i'm not sure why anyone would still want him considering he only had one good season.
It is true, he was quite shite last season.
Dragonfly
22-08-2007, 12:02
I think people are being a bit hasty with Jens. It's not like Alex Ferguson should be sacked for having a poor start. This is his last season with us isn't it? He should stay for the season, and if he continues to fuck about, then maybe Wenger should either give Fabianski a chance, or look for someone else during the January transfer window.
Goalkeepers are also not so sensitive in terms of age...the young ones should really bide their time if possible. There are few world class young goalkeepers who last the distance!
In terms of "adapting" read the Guardian Unlimted piece of Sunderland's new keeper...its a matter of concentrating ALL the time in the EPL and there IS a difference. The problem is Jens has NOT been concentrating properly...
Scarface
23-08-2007, 00:54
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/17075/Wenger-agrees-9million-deal
ARSENE WENGER has agreed a new three-year contract with Arsenal.
The Gunners boss has been stalling on signing an extension to his current deal, which runs out at the end of this season.
But Wenger has now given his word that he will commit his future to the North London club until 2011. The new contract is worth around £3 million a year.
There had been speculation that the Frenchman would want get-out clauses, allowing him to leave Arsenal at the end of each year – but that is not the case.
Wenger’s agreement is a major boost to Gunners chairman Peter Hill-Wood, who saw vice-chairman David Dein leave the club in April. Dein’s departure upset the manager and led him to consider his future.
Wenger’s relationship with his captain, William Gallas, however, could become strained as another club versus country row brews.
Gallas is out of action for three weeks after damaging a hamstring against Blackburn last Saturday. And France boss Raymond Domenech wants him to join them for treatment on the injury.
Domenech said: “William wants to spend 10 days at our Clairefontaine HQ to have treatment. I hope Arsenal will agree.”
Wenger is almost certain to reject the idea and insist his own staff treat Gallas.
Hurrah, if true.
:dancer:
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/17075/Wenger-agrees-9million-deal
Hurrah, if true.
:dancer:
Are you a Miz-fit now? :p
If true...
:w00t
http://funkyheart.com/images/stories/Borat/verynice.gif
Also, was nice to Jens come on top over fatboy Robbo tonight I reckons, even if he still looked shakey. :happy:
RB14 ARSENAL
23-08-2007, 08:53
http://youtube.com/watch?v=R-Hmu689NO0
Nice work by Micah Richards to set up Lampard, but what the hell is Jens doing there??? He should've saved that easily, Lehmann's weakness must be that he can't save near-post shots...
BTW, what u think the score will be this Saturday vs Sven's City???
I think 2-1 to us, goals from Hleb, Eboue & Bianchi the scorer for the visitors.
I think it will be a draw.
Maybe 1-1.
Jens maybe make some error again.
ThierryHenry14
23-08-2007, 12:06
city have had a good start to the season so they could pose a bit of a problem for us we shouldn't underestimate them
wrigh2uk
23-08-2007, 13:39
Jens looking confident as ususal last nite.
RB14 ARSENAL
23-08-2007, 22:17
Luckily, Jens picked up a knock vs England and will be out for at least 2 weeks.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/6961025.stm
Hopefully Almunia will have a cracking game on Saturday and we will win thanks to his heroics, which will persuade Wenger to drop Lehmann and play either Manuel or give Fabianski a shot!!!
I would really like to see Fabianski plays..
Only had watch his performance on YouTube..
Seem to be impressive..
Dragonfly
24-08-2007, 11:38
I think the main problem we'll have is scoring, especially with the form of City's defence. But, I can see RVP scoring a long distance strike past the Schmeichel.
Viperized
24-08-2007, 11:49
With Eduardo back, I don't think we'll struggle as much as you are suggesting.
He played very well against Blackburn and was unlucky not to score.
But it will definitely be a tough game.
Davor Suker claimed Eduardo will outscore Fernando Torres this season :laugh: From what I have seen of him i think Da Silva faces a tough battle keeping Adeboyor out of the starting XI.
wrigh2uk
24-08-2007, 12:30
Davor Suker claimed Eduardo will outscore Fernando Torres this season :laugh: From what I have seen of him i think Da Silva faces a tough battle keeping Adeboyor out of the starting XI.
Yeah because Liverpool strikers are known for hitting atleast 20 goals a season :rolleyes:
It would make a decent bet for a bookie, who scores the most; either Eduardo or Torres. Both new to the Premier League, both strikers, both at a top team etc.
Could post it up, anyone care to make up any odds?
Torres is leading so far :w00t
Dragonfly
24-08-2007, 12:46
It would make a decent bet for a bookie, who scores the most; either Eduardo or Torres. Both new to the Premier League, both strikers, both at a top team etc.
Could post it up, anyone care to make up any odds?
According to William Hills' website, Torres is 12/1 and Eduardo 20/1 to be top scorer.
Viperized
24-08-2007, 13:38
Torres is leading so far :w00t
With his extra league appearance, yes.
I'll be pretty sure Van Persie will finish ahead of Torres though.
2 goals in 2 apps. :w00t
Gooner10
24-08-2007, 18:23
Eduardo looks quality and it is only his first season here, to be honest apart from the one goal Torres has looked pretty boring and just keeps falling over and losing the ball..but still it's only his first season..i'd prefer anyone to be top scorer apart from Drogba
Davor Suker claimed Eduardo will outscore Fernando Torres this season :laugh: From what I have seen of him i think Da Silva faces a tough battle keeping Adeboyor out of the starting XI.Yes because it's not as if you're anti-Arsenal and pro Torres now is it? For such an outlet on a striker you'd expect Torres to have a great goalscoring record now wouldn't you?
Are you kidding, Torres has been class since he came. He played superb against Villa and Chelsea. He does seem to fall over a lot which I think he needs to stop. Other than that, he's been far better than Eduardo.
Are you kidding, Torres has been class since he came. He played superb against Villa and Chelsea. He does seem to fall over a lot which I think he needs to stop. Other than that, he's been far better than Eduardo.Am I kidding? at one point did I say that Torres hadn't had a good start? quote me and prove it, because I simply didn't.
All I'm saying is if you've spent that much on a striker wouldn't you want him to have perhaps one of the best strike ratios around for that price?
Viperized
24-08-2007, 21:22
Are you kidding, Torres has been class since he came. He played superb against Villa and Chelsea. He does seem to fall over a lot which I think he needs to stop. Other than that, he's been far better than Eduardo.
Have you ever seen Eduardo play? By the way, he has only played about 50 minutes of football in the Premier League.
As a matter of fact I have. I saw him play in those 50 minutes. He wasn't that impressive. I'm not saying he is a bad player. He's just not as good as Torres. But I think he will definetly be a star for Arsenal.
Viperized
24-08-2007, 21:56
He wasn't that impressed despite being having a major involvement in Arsenal's only goal. ok.
http://xs118.xs.to/xs118/07345/1156822123_icspatrick.jpg
Gooner10
24-08-2007, 22:35
But he was all over the place helping out and getting in there which is perfect for what we need. But Torres just didn't seem that great...he'll improve I kno and he's a good striker just a bit overated I think
I can say both striker are new to Prem and maybe need a few weeks to show their true abilities..
Yes because it's not as if you're anti-Arsenal and pro Torres now is it? For such an outlet on a striker you'd expect Torres to have a great goalscoring record now wouldn't you?
All I have to say to those that are so critical of Torres' record is compare it to both Shearer and Henry when they were his age. And I only laughed at Eduardo because the Arsenal fans are making him out to be some sort of savior when to me he is no better than what they already had.
Anyway time will tell but from what I've seen of the two players my money would firmly be on Torres to outscore Eduardo.
All I have to say to those that are so critical of Torres' record is compare it to both Shearer and Henry when they were his age. And I only laughed at Eduardo because the Arsenal fans are making him out to be some sort of savior when to me he is no better than what they already had.
Anyway time will tell but from what I've seen of the two players my money would firmly be on Torres to outscore Eduardo.Both of the players you mentioned though did actually play on the wing up until Torres' age. Eduardo for me is more value for money due to the fact Torres is no way worth that huge price, but then again I'm sure if he does, and it's a big if, ever does fire Liverpool to the title then I'm sure the dippers will think he was worth every penny.
Scarface
25-08-2007, 13:07
And I only laughed at Eduardo because the Arsenal fans are making him out to be some sort of savior when to me he is no better than what they already had.
The reason most of us are excited about Eduardo is he offers something we haven't had in years. We'll have to wait and see if he's better than what we already have, as he still has a lot to prove, but he undoubtedly has different qualities to Van Persie, Adebayor, Bendtner etc, and qualities that we were very much in need of.
I don't find Suker's prediction so outlandish considering he has been watching Eduardo for several years, seeing him develop an incredible goalscoring record and then move to Arsenal, who create a hatful of chances in most games and need a player like Eduardo to make runs for Fabregas, Denilson, Rosicky and co. I'm not so confident about this season, as I expect it will take Eduardo longer to settle in and find his feet, due to the level he is used to playing at in comparison to Torres, but i'd back Eduardo to outscore Torres over 2 seasons.
Both of the players you mentioned though did actually play on the wing up until Torres' age. Eduardo for me is more value for money due to the fact Torres is no way worth that huge price, but then again I'm sure if he does, and it's a big if, ever does fire Liverpool to the title then I'm sure the dippers will think he was worth every penny.
So now you consider circumstance when before you and many others were so quick to base you opinion of the player entirely on his goalscoring record. Factors you should consider for Torres are:
1. He was/is a developing player, many great goalscorers had worst records than Torres at his age Vieri, Batistuta, Inzaghi, Henry, Shearer and many more.
2. He never had a consistant striking partner and always was having to adapt.
3. He played for an average team. And before any says otherwise consider that for Torres' entire career at Athletico Madrid they never once qualified for the Uefa cup and were once relegated from the top division.
Funny how you brought up value for money when that was never an issue. The only issue is the quality of the two players with regard to Suker's comments.
The reason most of us are excited about Eduardo is he offers something we haven't had in years. We'll have to wait and see if he's better than what we already have, as he still has a lot to prove, but he undoubtedly has different qualities to Van Persie, Adebayor, Bendtner etc, and qualities that we were very much in need of.
I don't find Suker's prediction so outlandish considering he has been watching Eduardo for several years, seeing him develop an incredible goalscoring record and then move to Arsenal, who create a hatful of chances in most games and need a player like Eduardo to make runs for Fabregas, Denilson, Rosicky and co. I'm not so confident about this season, as I expect it will take Eduardo longer to settle in and find his feet, due to the level he is used to playing at in comparison to Torres, but i'd back Eduardo to outscore Torres over 2 seasons.
If you don't want to take the view of a former Croatia and Arsenal on a current Arsenal and Croatia player with a pinch of salt then you obviously won't find thier opinion so outlandish.
He "offers someting you have not had in years" I remember you paid a similar fee for another player with those qualities. Francis Jeffers never did very well. You may have high hopes for the lad but I can't see a player good enough to take either Adebayor's or Van Persie's place.
RB14 ARSENAL
25-08-2007, 15:16
Shame that Gilberto to start as CB after Senderos injured himself in the warm-up.
Now the decision to loan Djourou out is a mistake and hopefully Philippe will recover fully for the 2nd leg vs Sparta on Wednesday or next Sunday for the Premier League game vs Pompey. Otherwise we're in some trouble.
Sounds like Sagna has gone off an'all now.
RB14 ARSENAL
25-08-2007, 15:54
yet again at the emirates, according the radio 5 live commentators, arsenal are trying to walk the ball into the net and are not shooting often enough.
hopefully eduardo will come on for the 2nd half and score a couple.
Rossy Boy
25-08-2007, 16:09
Stream if you want it..
http://livefooty.doctor-serv.com/sat25.8/Arsenal_ManchesterCity.html
RB14 ARSENAL
25-08-2007, 16:45
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fabregas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1-0. Who Are Ya!!! Who Are Ya!!
Thank God For That!!!!!
Rossy Boy
25-08-2007, 16:48
Yeah.. nearly 2-0 from Hleb
ThierryHenry14
25-08-2007, 17:07
van persie's penalty should of been taken again according to sky sports news cause schmicheal was off his line so should of been 2-0 honestly i thought it was going to be another draw
van persie's penalty should of been taken again according to sky sports news cause schmicheal was off his line so should of been 2-0 honestly i thought it was going to be another draw
All keepers do that. Also if he did score it, who's not to say city could of went and won 2-1?
RB14 ARSENAL
25-08-2007, 17:42
true, but didn't happen cos arsenal scraped the win :D
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fabregas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1-0. Who Are Ya!!! Who Are Ya!!
Thank God For That!!!!!
:doh:
Dragonfly
25-08-2007, 19:06
Just came back from the game, and I must say it was frustrating at the amount of times we gave away the ball. We made it too easy for City, and for their counter attacking tactics. Hleb seemed to be incredibly indecisive, and tended to run in to players. None of our players were especially good, but neither were any of City's, except for maybe Richards. If they had a better striker than Mpenza, or if Johnson had any pace, they could've beaten us. We made it hard for ourselves; harder than it should've been. Despite having two defensive midfielders playing in defence, we weren't too bad in defence, but City did get some easy through passes past our back four. Luckily, City were as bad as us at finishing.
Anyway, that's three points in the bag, and we're still undefeated. :)
Viperized
25-08-2007, 21:20
All I have to say to those that are so critical of Torres' record is compare it to both Shearer and Henry when they were his age. And I only laughed at Eduardo because the Arsenal fans are making him out to be some sort of savior when to me he is no better than what they already had.
Anyway time will tell but from what I've seen of the two players my money would firmly be on Torres to outscore Eduardo.
Henry, at Torres' age (and in his first season when he was 21), scored 17 Premiership goals. In the following season he was the league's top scorer.
How you can say Henry's record was worse than Torres at the same age is rather unbelievable. The stats state otherwise.
Gooner10
25-08-2007, 21:24
Henry, at Torres' age, scored over 17 league goals. In the following season he was the league's top scorer.
Let's see if Torres can do that then! :)
And Cobinho of course he's not better than what we already HAD, we HAD Henry...nobody is better...but my money is on Eduardo just of what i've seen so far and the amount of chances we need someone to get on the end of...he'll score alot
Henry, at Torres' age (and in his first season when he was 21), scored 17 Premiership goals. In the following season he was the league's top scorer.
How you can say Henry's record was worse than Torres at the same age is rather unbelievable. The stats state otherwise.They probably were on a games per goal ratio, but that was due to Henry playing on the wing at Juve and Monaco. Same with Shearer playing on the wing at Southampton as well for a lot of the time.
Viperized
25-08-2007, 21:32
Good result by the way.
Didn't catch any of the game since I was at Thorpe Park. I'll check out the game on Football First in 45 mins.
I hear both Toure and Denilson were excellent. Not surprised to read Gilberto struggled at CB. Any news on the Senderos injury? I really do not want to see Gilberto at CB.
All keepers do that. Also if he did score it, who's not to say city could of went and won 2-1?
All keepers don't do it, some do, like Dudek for example..anyway, it's against the rules and just because 'all keepers do it' doesn't make it legal.
Also, if Arsenal did score the pen...the chances are you're prediction would be reversed. City would have to chase the win, giving Arsenal even more oppurtunities than they were already getting- they would've been torn apart.
AgentZero
25-08-2007, 23:40
why on earth does RVP gets zero points, in fantasy league?
Rossy Boy
25-08-2007, 23:47
Because he missed a penalty
AgentZero
25-08-2007, 23:49
he still played should at least be worth 3points
When is Eboue out for?
Scarface
26-08-2007, 14:36
If you don't want to take the view of a former Croatia and Arsenal on a current Arsenal and Croatia player with a pinch of salt then you obviously won't find thier opinion so outlandish.
I've already provided reasons for his opinion not being so outlandish, other than just saying his opinion should be dismissed due to him having connections to Croatia and Arsenal.
This is the quote I've found from Davor Suker. It doesn't seem to include his prediction that Eduardo will outscore Torres (unless that was purely an eye-catching headline), but I don't see much wrong with what he's saying.
"Arsenal fans can be completely relaxed that Wenger has got this signing spot on - Da Silva is a great buy.
Once he has settled in he will show he has all the talent and quality in the world to score a lot of goals - and be one of the best strikers in the world.
He is just as good as Torres and we will see which player makes the bigger impact. They have got a big year ahead of them.
Arsenal could have tried to sign Torres but I believe Wenger and Arsenal have got it right again.
Da Silva is a great player with big potential.
He is quick and can hold the ball up well and he's got a great left foot - and that always makes things a little bit harder for his rivals."
He "offers someting you have not had in years" I remember you paid a similar fee for another player with those qualities. Francis Jeffers never did very well.
Hardly. Jeffers cannot be compared to Eduardo, a striker who has been excelling for both club in country and with a goal ratio that Franny Jeffers could only dream of. His only vaguely similar qualities was his movement around the box and goalpoaching ability, but neither were of the same level as that of the Croatian. In any case, he can offer us much more than that.
You may have high hopes for the lad but I can't see a player good enough to take either Adebayor's or Van Persie's place.
What are you basing that on? His limited time on the field for Arsenal, or have you seen much of him performing for Dinamo Zagreb or Croatia?
RB14 ARSENAL
29-08-2007, 13:16
Wenger has been offered Adriano on loan, but has said no!!!
http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?thisNav=News&article=480793&lid=NewsHeadline&Title=Wenger+-+I+was+offered+Adriano+and+sai d+%27no%27
Tbh, I'm glad that Arsene has turned him and says that Inter wanted an 'unnamed player' on loan to swap with Adriano.
About 2 years ago, he was awesome for Inter and Brazil but now he's a bit pants and we don't need another striker now Adebayor is fit and we have Bendtner and Eduardo as well as RVP or even Walcott.
RB14 ARSENAL
29-08-2007, 13:19
What u think will be the score 2nite vs Saprta Prague at the emirates????
I think 1-0 to Arsenal and Hleb will score and that will mean a 3-0 Arsenal aggreagate win.
BTW, its on ITV4 tonight at 7:30 and kick off is 8:05.
I will be watching it for definite.
ThierryHenry14
29-08-2007, 13:54
cool itv4 defo watch tonight
i reckon 2-1 to use
Van Persie , Fabregas
Keyser Soze
29-08-2007, 14:26
cool itv4 defo watch tonight
i reckon 2-1 to use
Van Persie , Fabregas
English. Use it.
Viperized
29-08-2007, 15:43
English. Use it.
http://wiki.urbandead.com/images/thumb/4/4f/PulpFiction.jpg/105px-PulpFiction.jpg
Viperized
29-08-2007, 22:43
3-0. Good to see Eduardo being involved in both of the goals too - grabbed a goal and an assist. But it was a fairly boring game and they hardly threatened us. Almunia only had to make one save in the entire match from what it seemed like. Overall I'd say it was a good result but the performance was hardly inspiring. We were very lazy at times and showed no sense of urgency.
Silva played okay. Arsenal won 3-0
Well there are a few things to be mentioned. First, too bad Weng didn't get a backup fullback, as Senderos is absolute crap. No pressure, still making very stupid mistakes, that any team in England would've capitalized on. Second, Diaby is not a 50-50 midfielder (if anyone thought he is). We knew Gilbo is a destroying midfielder, but we thought Diaby could create and not just destroy. WRONG. The guy couldn't take the ball forward, even though he is just so powerful controlling the ball (at one stage controlling it vs. 4 sparta players). All in all, we need at least one creative player playing at the anchor, be it Cesc or Denilson. Third. Arsene's experiment of putting either Hleb or Rosicky in the wings has failed. You could see Hleb blooming in the matches where he played in the hole, and you can see Rosicky going astray in the left wing, and only doing meaningful things when coming into the middle. Theo is just not smart enough or his football brain isn't well developed or whatever. But he lacks creativity to the point where it hurts, and it does - because his pace and technique are amazing. Da Silva will just give us the extra edge, the sharpening of the blade that we needed - that karate kick into goal was something I haven't seen for a very long time happening for the Arsenal.
Tigermen
30-08-2007, 18:03
[QUOTE=gollan;1087825]Well there are a few things to be mentioned. First, too bad Weng didn't get a backup fullback, as Senderos is absolute crap. No pressure, still making very stupid mistakes, that any team in England would've capitalized on.
Why would it matter if he bought a backup fullback, as Senderos is a centre back? And Senderos is not absolute crap at all. He made one error on the ball, which admittedly was stupid. But he's a defender, he's not supposed to be great on the people. The boys should just not pass the ball to him, simple as.
Dragonfly
30-08-2007, 18:21
Why would it matter if he bought a backup fullback, as Senderos is a centre back? And Senderos is not absolute crap at all. He made one error on the ball, which admittedly was stupid. But he's a defender, he's not supposed to be great on the people. The boys should just not pass the ball to him, simple as.
Are you joking? We shouldn't have to have a player that we shouldn't pass the ball to. He's a clumsy player and has poor concentration. I've never rated him and I think we should look for someone else to start ahead of him.
Viperized
30-08-2007, 18:41
I think we got a very good draw - I would say its the best draw especially if you compare it with the other British sides.
Sevilla, who are most likely to qualify for the group stages, will be our toughest opponants but that should be a great game to watch - two open, attacking sides.
ThierryHenry14
30-08-2007, 19:23
i think the attackers played the best cause i would've of thought that they would try and run the ball into the goal but i felt that they took there chances and the scored
Dragonfly
30-08-2007, 19:35
David Dein has sold his share of Arsenal to an organisation co-owned by a Russian billionaire. Dein is also the chairman of the organisation.
David Dein has sold his 14.58 per cent stake at Arsenal to a firm co-owned by a Russian billionaire.
Dein, the club's former vice chairman, left in April due to 'irreconcilable differences' with the board, believed to have related to his support for a foreign takeover.
And he has now sold his stake in the club for £75m to Red and White Holdings Ltd, co-owned by Alisher Usmanov, a 52-year-old who made his money in metal.
"I have always had the best interests of Arsenal at heart - I've had a love affair with the club since I was six," said Dein in a statement to the stock exchange.
"I firmly believe that the involvement of Red & White with a significant stake and the long-term commitment of Arsene Wenger are absolutely the best outcome for the club, fans and shareholders alike.
"I am delighted to have found, in Farhad Moshiri and Alisher Usmanov, individuals who share my vision for Arsenal and of where it needs to go to be the world's leading football club."
Dein is chairman of the Red and White group.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_2696037,00.html
ThierryHenry14
30-08-2007, 19:40
yeah i saw that before the champions league draw started
Gooner10
30-08-2007, 20:53
Don't know what to make of that to be honest...could be good with investment but most people would want to make money off of the club in sales of something. Could be okay..wonder if David will get his job back!?
Viperized
30-08-2007, 21:46
David Dein has sold his share of Arsenal to an organisation co-owned by a Russian billionaire. Dein is also the chairman of the organisation.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_2696037,00.html
Haha - thats all very clever.
AgentZero
30-08-2007, 22:30
take over talk is still ripe.
Tigermen
30-08-2007, 22:59
Are you joking? We shouldn't have to have a player that we shouldn't pass the ball to. He's a clumsy player and has poor concentration. I've never rated him and I think we should look for someone else to start ahead of him.
He's a centre back, his job is to head the ball clear and tackle people. His job is not to look good on the ball (his passing is actually fine though).
Dragonfly
30-08-2007, 23:08
He's a centre back, his job is to head the ball clear and tackle people. His job is not to look good on the ball (his passing is actually fine though).
He should still be trusted with the ball. Many times he's been passed the ball, but has not controlled it, and either gave away the ball or made it more difficult to pass it on to another player. He doesn't have to look good on the ball, just not look shit.
Viperized
30-08-2007, 23:29
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/08_04/ManuelAlmuniaL_468x399.jpg
Clichy's expression... :laugh:
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/08_04/ManuelAlmuniaL_468x399.jpg
Clichy's expression... :laugh:
Look at Alumnia(excuse the spelling). It almost looks as if he is laughing at Clichy.
Dragonfly
30-08-2007, 23:34
It looks like Almunia is delighted with his save. :laugh:
LOL!
Well...all new teams that Arsenal haven't met huh?
Slavia Prague
Shakata Donetesk
Sevilla/AEK
Good stuff...should be interesting...but maybe we won't get much TV coverage...unless Sevilla get through...
Viperized
31-08-2007, 10:24
By the way, that Russian billionaire who has the 15% stake in Arsenal has an estimated worth of £4 billion. Dein is also part of that company. They will supposedly put a bid to takeover the club, with Dein presumably gaining control of the club.
Gooner10
31-08-2007, 17:47
As long as Wenger stays and it doesn't affect the club in a bad way I couldn't give a shit, might even gove us some spending money. If anything if Dein gets back in the club there may be more chance of Wenger staying
ThierryHenry14
31-08-2007, 17:48
who would you guys prefer david dean or the current guy as the owner
K.1.N.G.
31-08-2007, 21:12
As long as Wenger stays and it doesn't affect the club in a bad way I couldn't give a shit, might even gove us some spending money. If anything if Dein gets back in the club there may be more chance of Wenger staying
Yeah, so we can leave that sitting in the bank as well?!
He HAS money to spend if he wants it, but he wont spend it!
Dragonfly
01-09-2007, 00:33
Maybe he's planning to use Diarra as a right back, and Hoyte as a back up left back.
I imagine Diarra will get a fair bit of time in the middle. He's better than Flamini, Song, and probably Diaby (at the moment, at least). Add to that the fact that he's our only true holding midfield cover apart from Song.
Dragonfly
01-09-2007, 00:43
We don't have a proper back up left back do we, apart from Troare? Unless he moves Gallas there and brings in Sanderos to play in the centre.
You're right about him being a more natural defensive midfielder though. I guess that means Gilberto can get rested more, and I guess Flamini will be used as a back up full-back, then he'll be off in January.
Viperized
01-09-2007, 00:49
I'm not sure why we signed Diarra. While he is a good player, signing another central midfielder is completely pointless.
Cesc, Gilberto, Denilson, Diaby, Flamini, (Song).
We need wingers, not more central midfielders!
Our options on the wings?
Hleb, Rosicky, Walcott.
I won't regard Eboue as a winger.
I'm not sure why we signed Diarra. While he is a good player, signing another central midfielder is completely pointless.
Cesc, Gilberto, Denilson, Diaby, Flamini, (Song).
We need wingers, not more central midfielders!
Our options on the wings?
Hleb, Rosicky, Walcott.
I won't regard Eboue as a winger.
Hleb has been class and Rosicky has done a good job. But the transfer market is pretty much closed now.
Viperized
01-09-2007, 01:03
No, but we only have 3 wingers. One too short.
An injury to either Hleb or Rosicky will hurt us hard.
Scarface
01-09-2007, 15:06
I'm glad he's signed, despite us having a glut of central midfielders, as I like the guy. He has a lot of promise, and we now have a proper long-term replacement for Gilberto Silva. I wouldn't count Diaby or Denilson as such, as they aren't as defensively sound as Lassana, although they are slighly ahead of him, in terms of what they can give to Arsenal at the moment, I feel. Hopefully this will signal the end for Flamini and Song.
I won't regard Eboue as a winger.
Why not? He's made a good start there and can become a real force. He's already began to form a good understanding with Sagna, and i'm excited about seeing more of him on the wing.
Arsenal Crossbar Challenge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTlwR-Ag5L0)
If this proves one thing, it's that all Walcott's doubters should be ashamed. Look at that technique!
I'm not sure why we signed Diarra. While he is a good player, signing another central midfielder is completely pointless.
Cesc, Gilberto, Denilson, Diaby, Flamini, (Song).
We need wingers, not more central midfielders!
Our options on the wings?
Hleb, Rosicky, Walcott.
I won't regard Eboue as a winger.
Van Persie can play on the wing, just ask Van Basten :w00t
jak barz
01-09-2007, 15:19
[QUOTE=Why not? He's made a good start there and can become a real force. He's already began to form a good understanding with Sagna, and i'm excited about seeing more of him on the wing.QUOTE]
Yep i agree Eboue can wip the ball in as we saw last season.
**But i found out why diarra left chelsea**
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tjgqZHAPno
He looked scared **haha**
I'm glad he's signed, despite us having a glut of central midfielders, as I like the guy. He has a lot of promise, and we now have a proper long-term replacement for Gilberto Silva. I wouldn't count Diaby or Denilson as such, as they aren't as defensively sound as Lassana, although they are slighly ahead of him, in terms of what they can give to Arsenal at the moment, I feel. Hopefully this will signal the end for Flamini and Song.
Why not? He's made a good start there and can become a real force. He's already began to form a good understanding with Sagna, and i'm excited about seeing more of him on the wing.
Arsenal Crossbar Challenge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTlwR-Ag5L0)
If this proves one thing, it's that all Walcott's doubters should be ashamed. Look at that technique!
Also shows you how good Song is!!! :realmad:
RB14 ARSENAL
02-09-2007, 11:15
And they save the best till last! Almunia hits the crossbar. Well funny when Gallas misses and then runs up to the crossbar and throws the ball onto it!
vanNistelrooy
02-09-2007, 11:21
You found that funny? I found him French and annoying.
RB14 ARSENAL
02-09-2007, 14:29
Excellent start from Arsenal vs Pompey. 3 shots and 2 goals!!! Now that's what we should do more often, when we get our opportunities take them and that's what Arsenal did in the 1st half!!! Hopefully there'll be more of that to come in the 2nd half!
Hopefully Eduardo + Walcott will come on in the 2nd half and Walcott will look a threat down the right wing and Eduardo will nod in 2 to make it a comfortable 4-0 win for the Gooners.
Duz anyone know why Lassana isn't in the team today????
I woz looking 4ward to seeing him play but he isn't in the 16.
ThierryHenry14
02-09-2007, 14:34
sounds like a good match so far
lassana might not be playing cause they may still have to do all the stuff which is involved in a player moving clubs or just cuase wenger doesnt want to play him
Zoolander
02-09-2007, 14:35
Looks like an easy match, Pompey aren't pressing hard & fast enough.
CaptainCabinet
02-09-2007, 14:35
We've challenged you hardly at all, poor performance by us. Penalty for you and a good second goal, we should have had a penalty in the first three minutes though. Harry had better given them a kick up the arse. No pun intended.
RB14 ARSENAL
02-09-2007, 14:35
sounds like a good match so far
lassana might not be playing cause they may still have to do all the stuff which is involved in a player moving clubs or just cuase wenger doesnt want to play him
It's on SKY sports 1 right now!!!
U have SKY mate
???
Zoolander
02-09-2007, 14:41
Senderos off. Lawls.
ThierryHenry14
02-09-2007, 14:41
nope got freeview so i have sky sports news is there anywere online to watch it for free
Senderos always seems to have a look of "What? I don't understand"
ThierryHenry14
02-09-2007, 14:44
why did he get sent off has the second half only just begun
CaptainCabinet
02-09-2007, 14:45
Kanu through on goal
Senderos jealous at lack of hair compared to Kanu
Senderos pull down Kanu
Zoolander
02-09-2007, 14:47
CC give me odds on Muntari getting sent off to even things up?
CaptainCabinet
02-09-2007, 14:50
1/1?
3-0. :angry:
Kanu backheels it in, go Almunia !
The Stig
02-09-2007, 14:52
LMAO. What a goal by Kanu :unsure:
CaptainCabinet
02-09-2007, 14:53
Brilliant intentional finish.
ThierryHenry14
02-09-2007, 14:57
[QUOTE=Why not? He's made a good start there and can become a real force. He's already began to form a good understanding with Sagna, and i'm excited about seeing more of him on the wing.QUOTE]
Yep i agree Eboue can wip the ball in as we saw last season.
**But i found out why diarra left chelsea**
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tjgqZHAPno
He looked scared **haha**
thats pratically bullying can't see any arsenal players doing that
The Stig
02-09-2007, 15:08
That's only banter nothing serious.
ThierryHenry14
02-09-2007, 15:10
yeah but cause he couldn't understand what the bald guy was saying and essien wouldn't let him go he looked scared
CaptainCabinet
02-09-2007, 15:15
Utaka should be arrested, 'cos he's raping Clichy! Megalolz!!!11!1
:mellow:
yeah but cause he couldn't understand what the bald guy was saying and essien wouldn't let him go he looked scared
Are you being serious?
Like Dominic said, it's only banter.
nath_scfc
02-09-2007, 15:25
yeah but cause he couldn't understand what the bald guy was saying and essien wouldn't let him go he looked scared
:laugh: Are you for real?
ThierryHenry14
02-09-2007, 15:31
no im a robot
good result for us today takes us to second place
:laugh: Are you for real?
No, like many Arsenal fans he's plastic :ninja:
Viperized
02-09-2007, 18:54
Great result. Scoreline could've been higher if it wasn't for Distin. He was a rock for Pompey and made it very difficult for Adebayor.
AgentZero
02-09-2007, 22:19
the look on Senderos when he got sent off was funny in a sad sort of way. Looked so glum, poor bloke.
Rossy Boy
02-09-2007, 22:29
Clichy looked great again.. glad to see Fabregas is on a scoring run shame about Senderos getting sent off though
Cannon ball
02-09-2007, 22:29
I had a dream last night that Arsenal won the Premier League.
AgentZero
02-09-2007, 22:51
thats a rather plausible dream.
I have been impressed with Arsenal this season but they don't look like they will win the league due to the lack of depth in thier squad. They play more effective football, using the target man a bit more and they have played with better width, putting more crosses into the box. I just think its funny that they could do with another wide man yet Bentley and Pennant are in such good form. Hopefully Spurs will bit a dent in any title ambitions you may have.
RB14 ARSENAL
03-09-2007, 09:16
If we keep most of the key players in the squad and if Cesc keeps playing this well all season, I feel we have a real chance.
We have made a much better start to the season than last season where we drew 2 and lost 1 in the first 3 games, while we've played 4, won 3 and drawn 1, which is an excellent start to the season; I also feel we can continue our good start to the season as our next 6 league games are:
Spurs AWAY
Derby HOME
West Ham AWAY
Sunderland HOME
Bolton HOME
Liverpool AWAY
There, I feel there is at least 4 games that we can definitely win, while the away games to Anfield and White Fart Lane will be very tough but we could definitely scrape the win against the Scum and we will probably draw to Liverpool.
Then after that, we have Man Yoo, which will be an interesting match at the Emirates, as Rooney and Ronaldo should be back for that game. I feel that game will be a 2-1 win or a 2-2 draw.
jak barz
03-09-2007, 10:00
A good result but pompy were a bit all over the place, not saying anthink about the rosicky goal!!!
**NEW SIGNING DIARRA**
http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?p=1090105#post1 090105
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9172/78147kj4.th.jpg (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=78147kj4.jpg)
****Carling Cup draw - Arsenal v Newcastle****
Brilliant intentional finish.
LOL!!! Class from Kanu! :w00t I don't think he knew much about it! :realmad:
RB14 ARSENAL
03-09-2007, 16:21
No...... Still I feel despite the poor Pompey defending, Rosicky's goal was the best:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7JoO68gAKI
Plus, Adebayor's penalty was excellent; as cool as you want.
-The Trooper-
06-09-2007, 11:35
Arsene Wenger has agreed a new three-year contract at Arsenal, BBC Sport understands.
The Gunners are set to announce in the next two days that an agreement has been reached with the 57-year-old French manager.
"The new deal will earn Wenger about £4m a year," said BBC Sport editor Mihir Bose.
"The timing is no big surprise because the last time he signed a new deal was towards the end of his last contract."
Bose added: "Arsenal have enjoyed a revolution under Wenger, he changed their style of play.
"He wants to win the Champions League with the Gunners - make a mark. He wants to stand alongside former boss Herbert Chapman as one of the Arsenal greats.
"There was talk of Real Madrid being interested in him. And now it looks unlikely he will become the next England boss - Wenger does not break a contract."
The speculation over his future at the Emirates Stadium was also fuelled by the departure of Arsenal talisman Thierry Henry in the summer and vice-chairman David Dein, who brought Wenger to the club.
Good new for the Arsenal lads and English football over-all.
Shows that your team wont fall apart just because your best player leaves.
ThierryHenry14
06-09-2007, 18:16
good news but i would feel more comfortable if it was longer than 3 years
mufcsean
06-09-2007, 18:21
You should be glad he stayed at all
ThierryHenry14
06-09-2007, 18:22
i knew someone was going to say something like that
especially someone who doesn't support arsenal
The Stig
06-09-2007, 18:26
Good new for the Arsenal lads and English football over-all.
Shows that your team wont fall apart just because your best player leaves.
Henry was their best player in previous years of course but he wasn't performing to his full capability last year. If he was playing fantastic he wouldnt of been allowed to leave for just £16m.
ThierryHenry14
06-09-2007, 18:27
what , thats a bit random
mufcsean
06-09-2007, 18:33
I was thinkin the same, and i only said that because i was telling the truth
The Stig
06-09-2007, 18:35
what , thats a bit random
I forgot to quote some guys post I'll put it in now. He said it's nice to see your club not fall apart because your best player has left.
RB14 ARSENAL
09-09-2007, 08:13
I'm very glad that Wenger is staying for 3 years + the 1 left on his last contract. To be honest, I can't see anyone else managing Arsenal right now and Arsene is the man to get these youngsters to fill their potentials and be the new stars at Arsenal.
He is our most successful manager of all time, so hopefully there'll be plenty more trophies to come.
Here's a link to Arsene's interview about the contract:
http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?thisNav=News&article=481177&lid=NewsHeadline&Title=Wenger+-+I+love+the+Club+and+I+love+th e+job
RB14 ARSENAL
09-09-2007, 08:25
May be just paper talk + gossip but I found this in the BBC gossip section:
Valencia will make a £10m bid for Arsenal's Gilberto Silva in the January transfer window. (The Sun)
Now we have Lassana Diarra and have Flamini and Diaby, would Arsene accept if Valencia did bid 10m in Jan?
jak barz
09-09-2007, 09:33
I read that, i dont think he would go, when he plays you can see that he is enjoying himself.
Glad Wenger is staying :)
pistolpete
09-09-2007, 09:43
I doubt that they would bid £10m, maybe £6m,
I think if AW recieved a bid for that much it would be bye bye Gilberto.
We have plent of cover in that position - it would be interesting to see who Wenger sees as the 1st choice to partner Cesc out of Denilson, Diaby or Diarra?
I would have to go with Diaby, for his presence, although the other two are fine players who could easily deputise for each other.
In my opinion though Diarra has definately been bought to play CM as Sagna was only a recent purchase for RB and we also have Eboue and Hoyte who play there.
Heres one - when Lehmann returns, will he go straight back in or will Almunia keep his place?
RB14 ARSENAL
09-09-2007, 10:08
I hope Manuel keeps his place in goal for the time being, because the only goal he has conceded was that fluke from Kanu in the 3-1 win vs Pompey.
Did anyone see Lehmann play for Germany vs Wales????? All I know is that Germany won 2-0.
There's no doubt that Almunia will be tested against Tottenham next week but Arsene will end up playing Leman :no:
Why won't he give Fabianski a chance? He looks a good keeper to me; some good displays in pre-season.
Scarface
09-09-2007, 19:13
Anyone else see Eduardo's performance for Croatia yesterday? Won a penalty (which Srna missed) and scored 2 very good goals. That brings his tally to 8 in Qualifying, 1 ahead of Podolski, Villa and C.Ronaldo, but still a few behind David Healy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ALL_-08vxc&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fgunnerblog%2 Ecom%2F%3Fp%3D755
Wales feeble attack could only muster 1 shot on goal against the Germans, so Jens had very little to do all game. It was one way traffic and Germany could have won by a couple more.
Rosicky scored one for the Czech's as well as Van Persie showing off some trademark moves on our right wing.
RB14 ARSENAL
10-09-2007, 17:49
Anyone else see Eduardo's performance for Croatia yesterday? Won a penalty (which Modric missed) and scored 2 very good goals. That brings his tally to 8 in Qualifying, 1 ahead of Podolski, Villa and C.Ronaldo, but still a few behind David Healy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ALL_-08vxc&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fgunnerblog%2 Ecom%2F%3Fp%3D755
Wales feeble attack could only muster 1 shot on goal against the Germans, so Jens had very little to do all game. It was one way traffic and Germany could have won by a couple more.
His 1st goal was awesome............ great overhead kick
and his 2nd was very clinical and he has a great shot technique.
Foe some reason now, I want him to start with Adebayor at White Hart Lane next week. Anyone else feel this way~?
Scarface
10-09-2007, 20:22
I'd like to see Eduardo getting more games, but not at the expense of Van Persie. They haven't found an understanding yet, but it's early days. Van Persie is still our main goal threat, so I don't think dropping him for the Spurs game would benefit us, especially considering Adebayor is hardly the most reliable in front of goal or to rely upon turning a game in our favour.
Viperized
10-09-2007, 20:26
I don't think Van Persie will be dropped anyway.
The battle for the second striking spot is between Eduardo and Adebayor. But I'm sure Eduardo will soon be the regular striker. He is yet to start a game in the Premiership and still is adjusting to the league.
He seems to be more at home with the Croatia national team, which is no surprise really. He just needs to adjust with the team and should be banging in goals in no time.
ThierryHenry14
10-09-2007, 20:35
do you guys think that rosicky will always play on the left cause i thought he was a central midfielder
Gooner10
10-09-2007, 21:27
I think he's stronger in the middle but look at the competition
Rosicky's not nearly as good as Cesc in the middle, and it seems Arsene prefers to play the likes of Denilson or Flamini when Cesc is out, so I really doubt he'll get much time in the middle except if we revert to 4-5-1.
Viperized
15-09-2007, 15:08
Fabregas!!!!!!!!!!
2-1.
Screamer.
Wow, great game. Full of goal opportunities.
Spurs keeper kept them alive and doesn't deserve any shit from people.
Viperized
15-09-2007, 15:35
RVP's form is worrying.
I know. But give him a goal, and I'm sure he'll be back on track.
I think Wenger should forget making Van Persie a link-up player. Van Persie would play much better if given a more free role.
ThierryHenry14
15-09-2007, 16:04
good result today will have to watch it on MOTD
i heard on sky sports news that our fans were chanting
"your getting sacked in the morning"
Viperized
15-09-2007, 16:09
http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/forums/thread/206846.aspx
Poor him.
ThierryHenry14
15-09-2007, 16:14
ha ha on the news you'll see loads of spurs fans commiting sucide cause they can't beat us or finish in the top 4
Scarface
15-09-2007, 16:28
When I saw Gilberto at centre back, I have to admit, I was a little fearful and when Bale scored, I would have taken a draw, but an excellent victory in the end.
Top of the league, just as we shall be come the end of May :smug:
Are there any highlights about yet?
Tottenham for the rest of my life but I'm sorry that feeling of why I should support them has been sucked out of me. There is no chance of us finishing 4th. I know that we'll finish 5th, again, but I am just sick and tired of this.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. The problems with Martin Jol can't be good for the club, and Aston Villa, Everton and Blackburn will have something to say about that.
downloadable links to the goals:
http://arsenalclips.blogspot.com/
Viperized
15-09-2007, 20:14
I hope this is the Game Of The Day on Football First, so I can watch the full 90 minutes.
pistolpete
15-09-2007, 20:24
Excellent performance today from the lads, especially Cesc, who was head and shoulders above anyone.
Not to take anything away from the performance but with Gilberto at the back we look shakey, and i was worried when Berbatov had a free volley fro a corner right in the danger area unmarked and where was the defence when Bent went through at the end?
Going forward though we passed the ball very well and always looked like we could come back into the game.
vanNistelrooy
15-09-2007, 22:13
Just saw Yabadabadoo's second goal...
Helloooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooo!
CaptainCabinet
15-09-2007, 22:16
Just saw Yabadabadoo's second goal...
Helloooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooo!
:w00t
Does that not frustrate you that Adebayor can do things like that and then miss the most simplistic of chances?
Dragonfly
15-09-2007, 22:51
Does that not frustrate you that Adebayor can do things like that and then miss the most simplistic of chances?
Yes. But I'll enjoy it for now. :D
Viperized
15-09-2007, 23:21
Adebayor's second goal! :w00t:
Does that not frustrate you that Adebayor can do things like that and then miss the most simplistic of chances?
Of course it does, but I'm willing to put up with it because just about every other part of his game other than finishing is top notch.
Tigermen
16-09-2007, 00:38
Does that not frustrate you that Adebayor can do things like that and then miss the most simplistic of chances?
I know what you mean, my brother goes nuts with him and he says that to him its more frustrating than having a player who's just simply rubbish - at least then you always know what you're gonna get.
I agree with Joey, most other things about him are top quality and what gives me hope about him is that many of these other qualities (particularly his work rate) are things which can't be taught. He can (hopefully) work on his finishing. But as hit and miss as he is, he'll still probably get you a good 15 goals a season and that's certainly nothing to sniff at.
ThierryHenry14
16-09-2007, 00:42
i reckon adebayor's 2nd is goin to get goal of the month and i think that fabregas should of got player of the month last month
i reckon adebayor's 2nd is goin to get goal of the month and i think that fabregas should of got player of the month last month
He's definitely got a bit of Kanu in him!!!!! HAHA! Good and the bad! Consistency is something that probably only comes with experience...
Was surprised that we got some luck to win...could have gone either way really!! :shocking:
AgentZero
16-09-2007, 23:30
whats up with RVP? hes hardly doing anything, got him in my FL and hes not performing
whats up with RVP? hes hardly doing anything, got him in my FL and hes not performing
He has never consitanly performed well in his career, despite what Arsenal fans made him out to be. It should be no surprise that he has not done much in the first month of the season equaly it should be no surprise if he plays very well in the next month.
Viperized
17-09-2007, 15:58
.Arsenal set to announce record turnover figures
By Jonathan Chong on Monday, September 17, 2007
Arsenal are about to announce record turnover figures, making it the world's second richest club, behind only Real Madrid.
Arsenal's total turnover of all the business the club generate, it will be revealed, has shot up to about £180 million, about £22 million behind Real Madrid, while United's turnover stands at £167 million.
The figures amount to a 50% increase for a single season.
calculus
17-09-2007, 16:35
^^ if that is true why all this take over talk and nonsense about Arsenal being unable to compete in the transfer market???
AW I think is happy with the money he has had to spend and for my money does not like to but players like Crouch or Bent who cost a lot but are at best squad players who will then in turn say the aren't happy about being on the bench therefore cause unrest in the dressing room...we are going to have the kind of season Man U had last time out after they got rid of Ruud....smells like team spirit!!!
Viperized
17-09-2007, 22:20
He has never consitanly performed well in his career, despite what Arsenal fans made him out to be. It should be no surprise that he has not done much in the first month of the season equaly it should be no surprise if he plays very well in the next month.
He is playing too deep. That shouldn't be and isn't his role. Van Persie is simply not the link-up type player.
Wenger is trying to make him more of a team player (his interviews back this point up), which I think is a waste of his talent.
calculus
18-09-2007, 18:22
He is playing too deep. That shouldn't be and isn't his role. Van Persie is simply not the link-up type player.
Wenger is trying to make him more of a team player (his interviews back this point up), which I think is a waste of his talent.
So in other words you think AW has got it wrong?
Viperized
18-09-2007, 18:33
The Brilliance of Bergkamp:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2007/09/18/sfnber118.xml&page=1
ThierryHenry14
18-09-2007, 19:27
anyone get the clothes catalogue yesterday some decent stuff in there , wee bit expensive
Dragonfly
18-09-2007, 20:58
anyone get the clothes catalogue yesterday some decent stuff in there , wee bit expensive
No. Do you have to be more than a red member to get it, or do you have to order it yourself?
He is playing too deep. That shouldn't be and isn't his role. Van Persie is simply not the link-up type player.
Wenger is trying to make him more of a team player (his interviews back this point up), which I think is a waste of his talent.
Thats a poor excuse. In pre season he played there and you were not complaining then, he was going to be you 20 goal player :rolleyes:
He has poor team-work but Wenger is right to play him where he is and when his form picks up I'm sure you will be the first to say so.
I still think he can be the 20 goal player. At least you are not playing him on the wing :tongue:
I still think he can be the 20 goal player.
If a forward starts most games and is his team penalty and free kick taker and can't score 20 goals there is something wrong with him. My point was not doubting Van Persie qualities, I was just highlighting how the Arsenal fans were making out RVP was thier saviour befor the season started and now they are making excuses that he hasn't yet lived up to that.
Stella Artois
19-09-2007, 11:44
If a forward starts most games and is his team penalty and free kick taker and can't score 20 goals there is something wrong with him. My point was not doubting Van Persie qualities, I was just highlighting how the Arsenal fans were making out RVP was thier saviour befor the season started and now they are making excuses that he hasn't yet lived up to that.
Could be worse, we could have wasted the best part of £17m on Darren Bent.
Oh, and in case you've forgot:
Arsenal 1st
Sp*rs 17th
Up yours.
Could be worse, we could have wasted the best part of £17m on Darren Bent.
Oh, and in case you've forgot:
Arsenal 1st
Sp*rs 17th
Up yours.
How much did Reyes cost then?
Football is full of ups and downs so enjoy it. You and I both know the table will look very different by then end of the season. Arsenal trophiless and 4th again seems likely.
Stella Artois
19-09-2007, 12:03
Reyes cost about £15m, but we recouped more than half of that and let's face it, he's one of very few bad signings Wenger has made. If you're going to go down the road of comparing us with you, then that's a very dangerous game to be playing. :)
Then again I imagine you rate Dimitar "I only score against the teams in the bottom half of the league" Berbatov, right?
I've no idea where we'll finish, but it'll be above you. That's not bad considering your summer signings alone cost more than our entire first 11 on Saturday. In fact, from a Sp*rs persective, I'd say that's bloody embarrassing.
Thats a poor excuse. In pre season he played there and you were not complaining then, he was going to be you 20 goal player :rolleyes:
He has poor team-work but Wenger is right to play him where he is and when his form picks up I'm sure you will be the first to say so.
There's a difference between an excuse and a reason you know.:rolleyes:
He's been disappointing, but it's not as if he's giving the ball away constantly and is missing sitters, he's just not having enough of an influence on the match. And one of the reasons is because he's been playing too far away from goal, if you have a player who can be deadly within 25 yards, and is only decent anywhere else it doesn't make sense to have him drop back 40 yards, whether it's Wenger's choice or RVP's. I only remember him having around 2, maybe 3, shots last weekend, he should be having at least twice that number every game.
Reyes cost about £15m, but we recouped more than half of that and let's face it, he's one of very few bad signings Wenger has made. If you're going to go down the road of comparing us with you, then that's a very dangerous game to be playing. :)
For every Henry there is a Cygan, I could name many Wenger flops. Yes you can compare Arsenal with Spurs, I have no shame saying that you lot are better, at the moment but its possible that could change.
Then again I imagine you rate Dimitar "I only score against the teams in the bottom half of the league" Berbatov, right?
I happen to rate him higher than any striker on Arsenal's books. He got more assist than any other player at our club and provides many goals also. Considering he scored many goals in the Champions league your point is both rubbish and if there is any truth in it then it just coincedence.
I've no idea where we'll finish, but it'll be above you. That's not bad considering your summer signings alone cost more than our entire first 11 on Saturday. In fact, from a Sp*rs persective, I'd say that's bloody embarrassing.
There is nothing wrong with spending money that the club generates. I am disappointed with some of the value of some signings but we have not signed one bad player this summer.
Its embarrasing you spend hundreds of millions on stadium and can't get any sort of atmosphere inside;)
Stella Artois
19-09-2007, 12:38
For every Henry there is a Cygan, I could name many Wenger flops. Yes you can compare Arsenal with Spurs, I have no shame saying that you lot are better, at the moment but its possible that could change.
For how long exactly have you been saying that? You've gone backwards in the last two seasons, as you well know. You amassed less points last year, compared with the year in which we pipped you to fourth spot; that's hardly an improvement worth shouting about, is it?
I happen to rate him higher than any striker on Arsenal's books. He got more assist than any other player at our club and provides many goals also. Considering he scored many goals in the Champions league you point is both rubbish and if there is any truth in it then it just coincedence.
Look up the stats yourself. I think the team in question was Everton, but other than them, all his league goals were against sides in the bottom half. Oh, and he scored 11 league goals in total - coincidentally that's exactly the same as Van Persie.
There is nothing wrong with spending money that the club generates. I am disappointed with some of the value of some signings but we have not signed one bad player this summer.
You've not signed one good one either. Basically its been the typical Sp*rs summer of signing average players who will do and achieve nothing of note.
Still, at least you signed up Jenas till 2012. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Its embarrasing you spend hundreds of millions on stadium and can't get any sort of atmosphere inside;)
And you lot do? Sorry, I must have been too busy laughing at your performances this year to have noticed any noise, as the only noise I've heard is booing.
By the way, you do realise your club is an embarrassment that doesn't care for its fans? I'm sure you know of the problems we faced when trying to get you lot to accept concessionary tickets for the CC 2nd leg last year?
For how long exactly have you been saying that? You've gone backwards in the last two seasons, as you well know. You amassed less points last year, compared with the year in which we pipped you to fourth spot; that's hardly an improvement worth shouting about, is it?
Considering Michael Carrick was sold and Ledley King was injured for most of last season I think we did quite well. Tom Huddlestone has the ability to be as good as Carrick was for us and King may get over his injury problems. That and many other factors gives us reason to be hopeful of going better than we did two years ago.
Look up the stats yourself. I think the team in question was Everton, but other than them, all his league goals were against sides in the bottom half. Oh, and he scored 11 league goals in total - coincidentally that's exactly the same as Van Persie.
Statistics are useful but any stat that indicates Van Persie is equal to Berbatov is flawed.
You've not signed one good one either. Basically its been the typical Sp*rs summer of signing average players who will do and achieve nothing of note.
Still, at least you signed up Jenas till 2012. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Gareth Bale, Adel Taraabt, KP Boateng are all very talented young players. Darren Bent has been one of the best strikers in the Premiership for the last two years. Kaboul has also been one of the best defenders in France.
Stella Artois
19-09-2007, 13:16
Considering Michael Carrick was sold and Ledley King was injured for most of last season I think we did quite well. Tom Huddlestone has the ability to be as good as Carrick was for us and King may get over his injury problems. That and many other factors gives us reason to be hopeful of going better than we did two years ago.
The same Tom Huddlestone that was giving the runaround by Fabregas? It's a fact of life that Huddlestone lacks the pace required to succeed at the top. He's a very good passer of the ball, and has decent strength as well as being tall, but he looks like a fish out of water against any top sides.
Statistics are useful but any stat that indicates Van Persie is equal to Berbatov is flawed.
Keep saying that to yourself. The more you pretend you've got the best striker in the Premiership, the easier it is to forget you're 17th, right?
Gareth Bale, Adel Taraabt, KP Boateng are all very talented young players. Darren Bent has been one of the best strikers in the Premiership for the last two years. Kaboul has also been one of the best defenders in France.
Bla bla bla.
So talented you're 17th. Congratulations.
The same Tom Huddlestone that was giving the runaround by Fabregas? It's a fact of life that Huddlestone lacks the pace required to succeed at the top. He's a very good passer of the ball, and has decent strength as well as being tall, but he looks like a fish out of water against any top sides.
I had my doubts about him but his performace at Old Trafford was enough for me. Are they not a top side?
Keep saying that to yourself. The more you pretend you've got the best striker in the Premiership, the easier it is to forget you're 17th, right?
I wouldn't say he is the best in the league although he may well be. I would say that I wouldn't swap him for any other striker in the league. Links play well, finishes off moves and playes with the flair and style that was synonymous with Spurs until Wenger went to Arsenal.
Bla bla bla.
So talented you're 17th. Congratulations.
We will be 5th and you will be 4th by the end of the season. Will you be so happy then?
Stella Artois
19-09-2007, 13:46
I had my doubts about him but his performace at Old Trafford was enough for me. Are they not a top side?
Indeed they are, although I'd hardly say they're playing well at the moment. Fact is you still lost anyway.
That game aside Huddlestone has always looked poor against us and I just believe he lacks that something special to make it at the top. Still, he's only playing for you lot so he's found his level.
I wouldn't say he is the best in the league although he may well be. I would say that I wouldn't swap him for any other striker in the league. Links play well, finishes off moves and playes with the flair and style that was synonymous with Spurs until Wenger went to Arsenal.
Drogba > Berbatov any day of the week. I generally like my strikers to be able to perform against the big sides, so naturally I don't see the fuss about Berbatov.
You could say its style over substance with him.
We will be 5th and you will be 4th by the end of the season. Will you be so happy then?
Shouldn't you concentrate on getting out of your relegation battle first?
I don't see how we're guarenteed only fourth...oh, hang on, you're a bitter Sp*rs supporter, so no wonder you hoping that its the case.
Just remember, £40m for your summer signings alone, against an entire team that cost less...and the score? 3-1 to us at your own ground.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Indeed they are, although I'd hardly say they're playing well at the moment. Fact is you still lost anyway.
That game aside Huddlestone has always looked poor against us and I just believe he lacks that something special to make it at the top. Still, he's only playing for you lot so he's found his level.
So what level are Arsenal on? Don't get carried away now, no trophies and 4th place twice. Not very far away from us, no trophies and 5th place twice. You say he can't make it to the top but any player that plays with his composure and passing range has some special qualites.
Drogba > Berbatov any day of the week. I generally like my strikers to be able to perform against the big sides, so naturally I don't see the fuss about Berbatov.
You could say its style over substance with him.
He can't perform against big sides:rolleyes: He was excellent against Man Utd and was unlucky not to score. He played alone against you lot last year and gave Toure and co all sorts of problems. Had he stayed on the pitch against Chelsea in the FA cup quater final he would have scored again.
Yes you could say style over substunce with him but you would sound like an idiot.
I don't see how we're guarenteed only fourth...oh, hang on, you're a bitter Sp*rs supporter, so no wonder you hoping that its the case.
Considering the fixtures you have had its no surprise you are 1st. I would have thought you would only get a point last saturday though. Anyway Liverpool and Man Utd are both better teams than Arsenal and whilst I think Chelsea are a discrace they are resilient and effective and therefor over 38 games I would expect them to finish above you aswell. Theres nothing bitter about it.
Stella Artois
19-09-2007, 14:45
So what level are Arsenal on? Don't get carried away now, no trophies and 4th place twice. Not very far away from us, no trophies and 5th place twice. You say he can't make it to the top but any player that plays with his composure and passing range has some special qualites.
Our reserve side > your first team. Or have you got selective memory so far as the CC is concerned?
Plenty of players have "special qualities", it's about having them as part of a package. Huddlestone lacks certain elements which means he'll never be a top player. As I said, he's therefore at the right club.
He can't perform against big sides:rolleyes: He was excellent against Man Utd and was unlucky not to score. He played alone against you lot last year and gave Toure and co all sorts of problems. Had he stayed on the pitch against Chelsea in the FA cup quater final he would have scored again.
Utd - Didn't score
Arsenal - Didn't score
Chelsea - scored in an FA Cup game you lost
Wow.
Yes you could say style over substunce with him but you would sound like an idiot.
Yes, after all he's been banging them in against the top sides hasn't he? Err, no, actually he hasn't.
Considering the fixtures you have had its no surprise you are 1st. I would have thought you would only get a point last saturday though. Anyway Liverpool and Man Utd are both better teams than Arsenal and whilst I think Chelsea are a discrace they are resilient and effective and therefor over 38 games I would expect them to finish above you aswell. Theres nothing bitter about it.
Our fixtures thus far have included the team who are currently second, and yourselves and Blackburn away. If those three teams are shite, fair enough.
You might like to take note that Chelsea couldn't beat Blackburn at home though before you scoff at our result. Even more so as it was only a Jens Lehmann special that got them into the game.
Viperized
19-09-2007, 15:22
Thats a poor excuse. In pre season he played there and you were not complaining then, he was going to be you 20 goal player :rolleyes:
He has poor team-work but Wenger is right to play him where he is and when his form picks up I'm sure you will be the first to say so.
Actually he played as the lone striker in pre-season (which isn't a position for him), when he scored against Inter and Ajax. Nice try though.
calculus
19-09-2007, 16:12
How much did Reyes cost then?
Football is full of ups and downs so enjoy it. You and I both know the table will look very different by then end of the season. Arsenal trophiless and 4th again seems likely.
£10.5m which would have gone up to £17.5m depending on goals and appearances of which I don't think he managed so therefore he still didn't cost as mcuh as Bent and let's be honest he had a greater impact in his first few games than Bent has had so far!
So what level are Arsenal on? Don't get carried away now, no trophies and 4th place twice. Not very far away from us, no trophies and 5th place twice. You say he can't make it to the top but any player that plays with his composure and passing range has some special qualites.
Remember in that time we reached the CL and CC finals and lost narrowly late on in both so please do not compare the 2 as there is none!
Considering the fixtures you have had its no surprise you are 1st. I would have thought you would only get a point last saturday though. Anyway Liverpool and Man Utd are both better teams than Arsenal and whilst I think Chelsea are a discrace they are resilient and effective and therefor over 38 games I would expect them to finish above you aswell. Theres nothing bitter about it.
Arsenal's results have been brilliant this season hence the reason for optimsm...bar Fulham we've played Blackburn who are unbeaten, the first team to beat Man City and you wait and see where they end up after Sven spends another £30m in January, Portsmouth who Liverpool and Man Utd failed to beat and Tottenham I don't think that is an easy run of games!
RB14 ARSENAL
19-09-2007, 18:45
Any predictions for the Seville game tonight lads????
I reckon 2-1 Arsenal. Rosicky + Eduardo will score for us while Luis Fabiao for the visitors.
I've put 100 points on Arsenal to win tonight btw.
Right, it's time to put Arsenal on, really spoilt for choice tonight I might add.
greenegg
19-09-2007, 20:20
Right, it's time to put Arsenal on, really spoilt for choice tonight I might add.
Dubious goal panel will be out for the goal. I'd give it to Fabregas, I always credit the attacker and try not to humiliate the defender too much. Both prefer it this way too.
Stella Artois
19-09-2007, 20:42
They've given it to Cesc.
£7 to moi.
Keyser Soze
19-09-2007, 20:43
It's a fact of life that Huddlestone lacks the pace required to succeed at the top.
Just like that Riquelme, my god that guy is the definition of average eh?
Stella Artois
19-09-2007, 20:51
He wouldn't cut it in this league. No.
Anyway, I'm going to watch my team beat a good side at home in the CL. Shame you didn't get that opportunity.
Keyser Soze
19-09-2007, 21:24
He wouldn't cut it in this league. No.
Anyway, I'm going to watch my team beat a good side at home in the CL. Shame you didn't get that opportunity.
You said to succeed at the top...
You're right, but atleast I was watching them play rather than taking digs at strangers over the internet.
Stella Artois
19-09-2007, 21:34
You said to succeed at the top...
You're right, but atleast I was watching them play rather than taking digs at strangers over the internet.
Did I really need to specify that I was referring to our own league? Or are you intentionally being a picky bastard?
Congratulations for you. Unfortunately I can't afford to go as I'm leaving to go to Uni this weekend.
I also have to pay for things myself nowadays. Daddy doesn't buy me tickets. ;(
Edit: EDUUUUUUUUUUUUARDO.
Keyser Soze
19-09-2007, 21:44
Did I really need to specify that I was referring to our own league? Or are you intentionally being a picky bastard?
Congratulations for you. Unfortunately I can't afford to go as I'm leaving to go to Uni this weekend.
I also have to pay for things myself nowadays. Daddy doesn't buy me tickets. ;(
Edit: EDUUUUUUUUUUUUARDO.
Intentionally being a picky bastard. :thumbsup:
Stella Artois
19-09-2007, 21:45
At least you agree.
mufcsean
19-09-2007, 21:50
The goal has been credited to Escude not fabregas Stella,