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mufcsean
09-03-2008, 20:18
Yeah but they had/have,
van Persie
Toure
Song
Eduardo
Rosicky
Almunia at one point
Eboue has been suspended
all in the last month, not saying they're the only ones, just they are the ones who have been most effected by injuries
vanNistelrooy
09-03-2008, 20:21
Yeah but they had/have,
van Persie
Toure
Song
Eduardo
Rosicky
Almunia at one point
Eboue has been suspended
all in the last month, not saying they're the only ones, just they are the ones who have been most effected by injuries
Look who they've had to play in that period. If they were good enough they would have been able to cope.
Stella Artois
09-03-2008, 20:37
Luck is irrelevant, they were poor and Wigan could have even won it.
Whilst we were shit, Wigan didn't have a single chance of note in the entire match.
Bryan, losing Neville is a blessing. It means you have one less cunt on the pitch.
We only drew purely and simply because we did not have "traditional" wingers out on that pitch today. There was a reason Valencia was the most dangerous player on the pitch and that reason was because he quite literally hugged the touchline. We were too busy cutting in, congesting the play and not being able to pass on that ridiculous excuse for a pitch.
ThierryHenry14
09-03-2008, 20:39
The F.A should really make Wigan make there pitch of a premiership standard...
vanNistelrooy
09-03-2008, 20:39
Not when Wes Brown is his fucking replacement!
Keyser Soze
09-03-2008, 20:42
Whilst we were shit, Wigan didn't have a single chance of note in the entire match.
Bryan, losing Neville is a blessing. It means you have one less cunt on the pitch.
We only drew purely and simply because we did not have "traditional" wingers out on that pitch today. There was a reason Valencia was the most dangerous player on the pitch and that reason was because he quite literally hugged the touchline. We were too busy cutting in, congesting the play and not being able to pass on that ridiculous excuse for a pitch.
They should have made more though and had several chances on the break but just never made anything of 'em. I wasn't saying it to be a cunt btw, I was just stating you weren't really 'unlucky', which I'm sure you'll agree with.
To be fair, that pitch wasn't fit to play Sunday football on - it was never going to be too pretty.
Stella Artois
09-03-2008, 20:44
TH14: It's a shit pitch yes, but we knew that before we turned up. It was the same for both teams and we didn't adapt to the conditions.
They should have made more though and had several chances on the break but just never made anything of 'em. I wasn't saying it to be a cunt btw, I was just stating you weren't really 'unlucky', which I'm sure you'll agree with.
To be fair, that pitch wasn't fit to play Sunday football on - it was never going to be too pretty.
No, I'd definitely agree that we weren't unlucky, but even when they were breaking I never felt worried. They did their job well and a point against us is what they would have taken before the game, so well done to them.
As I said, the pitch was bad, but we didn't adapt well enough.
Bollocks, can someone merge these posts? Clicked quote instead of edit.
Phil W.A.F.C
09-03-2008, 21:37
Valencia raped Clichy. Fabregas is a cheatin little basterd. Flamini is the biggest moan arse in Football at this time Brown gave him what he hasnt had all season and thats a challenge. Scharner & Boyce kept Adebayor quiet. Oh and theres only 1 Martin Taylor! :tongue:
Bammers05
09-03-2008, 21:39
Enjoy the Championship, Phil...
Oh and theres only 1 Martin Taylor! :tongue:
Is that really relevant?
Phil W.A.F.C
09-03-2008, 21:46
Is that really relevant?
Aye is it :tongue: :laugh:
Stella Artois
09-03-2008, 21:58
Valencia raped Clichy. Fabregas is a cheatin little basterd. Flamini is the biggest moan arse in Football at this time Brown gave him what he hasnt had all season and thats a challenge. Scharner & Boyce kept Adebayor quiet. Oh and theres only 1 Martin Taylor! :tongue:
Behave.
Flamini pissed all over Brown. :erm:
As for that Taylor comment, well you're proving yourself to be a right cunt lately.
Phil W.A.F.C
09-03-2008, 22:04
Behave.
Flamini pissed all over Brown. :erm:
As for that Taylor comment, well you're proving yourself to be a right cunt lately.
Clichy couldnt cope wi Valencia are you not going to admit it? :tongue:
Surely you must be joking about the Flamini quote?
Well yeah i admit was abit harsh sorry Stella
Did you get to the game?
Stella Artois
09-03-2008, 22:09
No. I decided to play some Poker last night and went all in with £50 quid. The lucky git won on the river card and it cleaned me out. :(
I'm poor as it is anyway and had planned to just go to Manchester as I usually do without paying, unfortunately they were doing bus replacements on the train service so I would've had to pay.
Seeing that shambles though, I'm glad I didn't. Hopefully we get you in September/October next year when the Rugby hasn't begun and I'll make sure I go.
Sorry mate, but I remember at most two occasions in which Valencia beat Clichy. Even then he did little with it. As I said, what did you create? Nothing, therefore how could he have "raped" Clichy?
As for the Flamini comment, yes, I was being serious.
Phil W.A.F.C
09-03-2008, 22:14
No. I decided to play some Poker last night and went all in with £50 quid. The lucky git won on the river card and it cleaned me out. :(
I'm poor as it is anyway and had planned to just go to Manchester as I usually do without paying, unfortunately they were doing bus replacements on the train service so I would've had to pay.
Seeing that shambles though, I'm glad I didn't. Hopefully we get you in September/October next year when the Rugby hasn't begun and I'll make sure I go.
Sorry mate, but I remember at most two occasions in which Valencia beat Clichy. Even then he did little with it. As I said, what did you create? Nothing, therefore how could he have "raped" Clichy?
As for the Flamini comment, yes, I was being serious.
What a bummer. No point in explaining your poker night as i havnt got a clue how to play.
i remember on atleast 5 occasions Valencia beating Clichy and only three of them having an end product which came to waste with Palacios on a couple of occasions.
Mickey B had Flamini in his back pocket.
Cannon ball
09-03-2008, 22:36
Valencia raped Clichy. Fabregas is a cheatin little basterd. Flamini is the biggest moan arse in Football at this time Brown gave him what he hasnt had all season and thats a challenge. Scharner & Boyce kept Adebayor quiet. Oh and theres only 1 Martin Taylor! :tongue:
You talk absolute Uncle Joe's Mintballs.
Phil W.A.F.C
09-03-2008, 22:42
How?
Cannon ball
09-03-2008, 22:47
Valencia looked Wigan's most threatening player, but he hardly raped Clichy, Fabregas isn't that much a cheat, the challenge by Brown on Flamini was pretty snidey, it wasnt really a challenge, so he had the right to moan, and the Martin Taylor comment isnt necessary.
Phil W.A.F.C
10-03-2008, 19:08
Valencia looked Wigan's most threatening player, but he hardly raped Clichy, Fabregas isn't that much a cheat, the challenge by Brown on Flamini was pretty snidey, it wasnt really a challenge, so he had the right to moan, and the Martin Taylor comment isnt necessary.
I seen it again last night and i must be the only one on here that thought Valencia bettered Clichy. How isn't Fabregas not much of a cheat? He tried to get Heskey sent off. I said that Brown gave him a challenge not the 1 challenge he made on him. Iv said im sorry about the Martin Taylor comment i made. Just that a section of the East Stand was singing it :tongue:
Cannon ball
10-03-2008, 20:15
He may make a bit of a meal of things, and act a bit petulantly, but thats not really cheating. I haven't seen him punch balls into the oppositions net, or go down dramatically in penalty areas.
Keyser Soze
10-03-2008, 21:15
He may make a bit of a meal of things, and act a bit petulantly, but thats not really cheating. I haven't seen him punch balls into the oppositions net, or go down dramatically in penalty areas.
Bollocks. What's the difference between pretending to be fouled and pretending to be hit in the face? It's practically the same thing.
Cannon ball
10-03-2008, 21:30
Pretending to be fouled is more diving. I wouldn't really class holding your face after minimal contact diving.
Keyser Soze
10-03-2008, 21:36
Pretending to be fouled is more diving. I wouldn't really class holding your face after minimal contact diving.
Are they both not forms of cheating though? More or less.
Phil W.A.F.C
10-03-2008, 22:20
Cesc Fabregas is a cheat. He does it every weekend. Likes to give it shown yesterday by pushing Heskey into the camara, but when given it with by minimal contact to the face he tries to get them sent off. Fuckin cunt!
AgentZero
10-03-2008, 22:28
whats all this word that Wenger is going to get a 70M transfer kitty? Fabrications or Fact?
whats all this word that Wenger is going to get a 70M transfer kitty? Fabrications or Fact?
"I think we are in a very good position," Edelman said. "Clearly Arsene's performance and the team's performance on the pitch has been outstanding, obviously backed up by our very strong financial position.
"We have got plenty of financial firepower to makes the transfers Arsene wants to make. We had over £70million of cash at the end of the year and if Arsene wants to spend that money we will make it available."
.
70 mil, he only needs a few million to buy some quality youngsters
AgentZero
10-03-2008, 23:51
thats pretty promising but the squad doesnt require much of a facelift.
mufcsean
11-03-2008, 01:41
70m can't hurt though, can't see Wenger even wanting to spend that much though to be honest
somegooner
11-03-2008, 14:32
In a few years we would have 100 mil to spend but Arsene won't go all Ferguson-like and use it to create a first XI only.
Well that's good for the club and football is now all for money.
somegooner
11-03-2008, 18:08
I personally hope he donates it to me.
Keyser Soze
11-03-2008, 18:11
I, personally, hope you stop posting.
Phatmann
11-03-2008, 18:15
I, personally, hope you stop posting.
:laugh:
Arsene Wenger rates Cesc Fabregas and Mathieu Flamini as the best midfield duo he has worked with at Arsenal.
It is a bold statement from a man who nurtured Patrick Vieira and Emmanuel Petit into world-class performers during the early years of his reign.
The French duo were the driving force behind the Gunners' 1998 double-winning side and helped their country to World Cup glory on home soil the same year.
Wenger acknowledges that Vieira and Petit were a fine partnership, but believes that his current combination just have the edge.
Fabregas has enjoyed a meteoric rise to prominence since making his debut in 2003, while Flamini has made the holding midfield berth his own this season.
Technical
"Yes, this is the best partnership," Wenger told Arsenal's official website.
"Going forward they are technically good and very mobile. Before we had players with impact and now the players' strength is in mobility.
"Maybe they are less physically strong in the challenge than Vieira and Petit but they have a good understanding and they cover each other well."
Wenger also feels that the emergence of the young duo is testament to the club's policy of nurturing their own talent as opposed to paying over-inflated transfer fees for the finished article.
"We build a team over years, being very restrictive about our spending and you are only rewarded if you can keep the team together," he said.
Arsenal fans, do you agree that Fabregas and Flamini have been your best central midfield partnership in the last 10 years?
Nifty1Pound50
11-03-2008, 18:23
Cesc Fabregas is a cheat. He does it every weekend. Likes to give it shown yesterday by pushing Heskey into the camara, but when given it with by minimal contact to the face he tries to get them sent off. Fuckin cunt!
...whereas Emile Heskey is the benchmark in staying on your feet? :D
somegooner
11-03-2008, 19:16
I haven't seen much of Petit but Cesc and Matt look a more complete partnership than Viera and Gilberto.
mufcsean
11-03-2008, 19:26
Vieira and Petit ftw
vanNistelrooy
11-03-2008, 19:43
Vieira and anyone (whilst he was at Arsenal, not now, he's gash now).
ThierryHenry14
11-03-2008, 19:45
Vieria and Gilberto during the season unbeaten , that was the best CM combo..
Bammers05
11-03-2008, 19:49
IMO, the Vieira-Petit partnership was the best one we've had, although Fabregas and Flamini are both young, so they could still equal or surpass that partnership.
Well if neither of them leaves though.
Phil W.A.F.C
11-03-2008, 21:01
...whereas Emile Heskey is the benchmark in staying on your feet? :D
eh? :unsure:
Nifty1Pound50
13-03-2008, 23:54
eh? :unsure:
Well, claiming that Fabregas makes a meal of things is one thing, but then insinuating that Heskey is the be-all and end-all when it comes to staying on your feet after a challenge is completely incorrect. I'm not going to get into a war of words with you, because you'll only use that gay tongue smiley excessively and tell me about how Emile H and Antonio V started spittin' some game down at the VIP for the Mickey B and the Chrissy K for rizzle while the skies opened up and rained on dem with some hippity hop drizzle. Or something.
I'd have to go ahead and say that Vieira and Fabregas were the best midfield partnership I've seen in Arsenal shirts. Although they didn't play many times together.
Keyser Soze
13-03-2008, 23:59
I'd have to go ahead and say that Vieira and Fabregas were the best midfield partnership I've seen in Arsenal shirts. Although they didn't play many times together.
Are you only saying that because it's Fabregas though as he's a top class player now? At the time, he was a decent player with great potential but in no way better than Petit in his prime.
I think Petit and Viera complimented eachother so well too, they had such a good understanding.
Nifty1Pound50
14-03-2008, 00:02
Are you only saying that because it's Fabregas though as he's a top class player now? At the time, he was a decent player with great potential but in no way better than Petit in his prime.
I think Petit and Viera complimented eachother so well too, they had such a good understanding.
I think that, as good as Petit and Vieira were together, they got far more help from their back four and Overmars (in particular) than Fabregas gets at the moment. Fabregas is a lot closer to being a "playmaker" (by which I mean someone that everything goes through) than either of those two were at the time, and I think that although they were the centrepiece of an excellent (and successful) team, their contribution may be slightly over-valued.
Also, Fabregas looked like the dog's bollocks from the first time he put an Arsenal shirt on.
Stella Artois
14-03-2008, 01:24
Exactly, it's only Chelsea fans who forget the game in which a 17 year old Fabregas and a 20 year old Flamini ran Makelele and Fat Frank ragged.
For a club who has wasted vast amounts of money in the past on players who could not cut it over here, believe me it's certainly not boring seeing Wenger do what he does.
Please knock them out.
I have faith in you. London power!
Stella Artois
14-03-2008, 13:17
Please knock them out.
I have faith in you. London power!
I'll strip naked in the fountain at my Uni if we do.
I firmly believe we'll knock those scouse cunts out. We should have thrashed the bastards at Anfield and if we get everyone fit, as long as we go 4-5-1 we'll run rings round them again.
Dragonfly
14-03-2008, 14:06
We've got Liverpool 3 games in a row - CL (Home), League (Home), CL (Away) - then Man Utd away. That's going to be our biggest test of the season.
I actually would've preferred Man Utd to Liverpool, because they'll probably somehow manage to knock us out of the Champions League, but then get shat on by us in the League. We should beat them, but they seem to be a completely different entity in Europe.
Bring on April!
greenegg
14-03-2008, 15:35
We've got Liverpool 3 games in a row - CL (Home), League (Home), CL (Away) - then Man Utd away. That's going to be our biggest test of the season.
That is a very PES-esque fixture list. I always get cup and league same team matches.
somegooner
14-03-2008, 15:39
Rosicky will be fit for those three right??
Dragonfly
14-03-2008, 15:40
That is a very PES-esque fixture list. I always get cup and league same team matches.
Haha. I know what you mean. I get it every season.
liljovi93
14-03-2008, 16:36
We've got Liverpool 3 games in a row - CL (Home), League (Home), CL (Away) - then Man Utd away. That's going to be our biggest test of the season.
I actually would've preferred Man Utd to Liverpool, because they'll probably somehow manage to knock us out of the Champions League, but then get shat on by us in the League. We should beat them, but they seem to be a completely different entity in Europe.
Bring on April!
Its going to be 5 tough matches for Liverpool.... Man utd, Everton then arsenal 3x.
Great timing :(
Still should be good matches though
mufcsean
14-03-2008, 16:52
3 games with Liverpool in the space of 8 days bloodyhell, i'm so glad they were paired with you as i really do believe Arsenal will batter them in Europe
Not the worst draw ever, we're a far superior team but it's going to take 180 minutes of total concentration.
And blob123, please never post here again.
Phil W.A.F.C
14-03-2008, 17:29
Well, claiming that Fabregas makes a meal of things is one thing, but then insinuating that Heskey is the be-all and end-all when it comes to staying on your feet after a challenge is completely incorrect. I'm not going to get into a war of words with you, because you'll only use that gay tongue smiley excessively and tell me about how Emile H and Antonio V started spittin' some game down at the VIP for the Mickey B and the Chrissy K for rizzle while the skies opened up and rained on dem with some hippity hop drizzle. Or something.
I'd have to go ahead and say that Vieira and Fabregas were the best midfield partnership I've seen in Arsenal shirts. Although they didn't play many times together.
That my friend is nothing but a load of shit! Emile H, Antonio V, Chrissy K what a load of toss u speak. Can you make the post more readable because i dont understand the 'gangster' shit such has 'rizzle' hippity hop drizzle'.
I'll strip naked in the fountain at my Uni if we do.
Of course we'll need pictures and/or video's of that event should it occur. I now realize that the previous sentence sounds rather strange so I'll just top it off with a smiley :unsure:
RB14 ARSENAL
14-03-2008, 18:02
I really do believe we can beat Liverpool in the Champions League and the League over those 3 games.
Bring on the Scousers, and then Chelsea in the semis !!!!
mufcsean
14-03-2008, 18:03
You need a new poll in this thread.
How many/Which trophies will Arsenal win this season?
Dragonfly
14-03-2008, 18:07
More than Man Utd. :smug:
RB14 ARSENAL
14-03-2008, 18:09
You need a new poll in this thread.
How many/Which trophies will Arsenal win this season?
Can't you stick to your own thread ????
Dragonfly
14-03-2008, 18:10
Can't you stick to your own thread ????
:laugh: The nerve!
Tigermen
14-03-2008, 18:11
Who is as fade up as me with Arsenal's long term strategy. All this crap about youth policy and building gems has got to me and I think it is going to cost us the title. Rosicky and RVP are always in the treatment room and will most probably always get injured. You can't rule it out.
We need replacements and not kids. We need finished products. AW needs to go after the likes of Joaquin, Quaresma, Diego and not 17yr old Bosnians.
Our squad is quality no doubt but when the injuries and games start to pile up, the replacements are inadequate. They are too raw, unready, unequipped, too young, e.t.c.. but we are forced into playing them anyway.
Every now and then I see articles about Arsenal's wealth and healthy finances. Even the Arsenal board have claimed there is an excess of 71m to spend but just you wait.. Same shit, different day
I know that no quality player is going to want to come and play second fiddle to either Rosicky, Hleb, van Persie or Adebayor but Rosicky and RVP can't go a full season. Its a known fact now and am sure even AW knows it.
At the start of the season the Czech physio revealed that Rosicky has an irregular muscle structure hence the reason for the recurring injuries. He also stated that the only way for Rosicky to recover was through exercises over a long period of time. Now knowing this AW still chose to go with Diaby.
I lmao when Toure came on for Gilberto to play on the right flank. I know he has played there before but surely that is beyond being desperate.
Our squad is so thin such that if 2 players are removed from the equation we suffer. A top four side should be able to cope under such circumstances.
. AW on the other hand goes for half-baked players such as Baptista. Torres could have been bought maybe 2 years a go for half the price but policy is policy as AW puts it. He doesn't want to upset the balance, the players and e.t.c.. (kiss ass)
It's boring!!
What I am "fade" up with is cunts like you.
There's so much wrong with what you said but let's just pick on the obvious one.
"Liverpool went and broke the bank for Torres (a finished product) and it paid off"
Yes, Torres has done well and scored lots of goals. But has it paid off for Liverpool? This is the team,dont forget, who are way off the pace in the league and got knocked out of the FA cup by Barnsley.
Baptista had an excellent scoring record in Spain; you only get to call him "half-baked" with the benefit of hindsight. In fact, this only goes to disprove your argument further, because it shows that signing established players doesn't always work.
I don't even know why I'm bothering to reply to you, anyone that suggests we sign Jaoquin is clearly a retard. If Wenger's policies bore you so much, you're more than welcome to fuck off and support Chelsea. At least then you won't embarrass the rest of us Arsenal fans who have to be lumped in with imbeciles like you.
We've got Liverpool 3 games in a row - CL (Home), League (Home), CL (Away) - then Man Utd away. That's going to be our biggest test of the season.
I actually would've preferred Man Utd to Liverpool, because they'll probably somehow manage to knock us out of the Champions League, but then get shat on by us in the League. We should beat them, but they seem to be a completely different entity in Europe.
Bring on April!
And the two games before that are Chelsea and Bolton away.
Dragonfly
14-03-2008, 18:17
Yep, but I think we should beat Bolton. They're not the same side that used to cause us trouble under Allerdyce. I think we could get at least a point at Chelsea.
Meyyappan
14-03-2008, 18:41
Wish fernabce somehow knockout chelsea while we beat the scouse giving us an easy semi-final while hopefully man u win on penalties and get barca(tough matches) and then we shall do the dream final Barca-Arsenal
And if it goes like this for man ure they might lose the league to us as well.But its far too wishful to come true.
Viperized
14-03-2008, 21:26
And the two games before that are Chelsea and Bolton away.
Hmm it's going to be an exciting month.
I'm very happy with the Liverpool draw. The potential semi's are also pleasing.
What I am "fade" up with is cunts like you.
There's so much wrong with what you said but let's just pick on the obvious one.
"Liverpool went and broke the bank for Torres (a finished product) and it paid off"
Yes, Torres has done well and scored lots of goals. But has it paid off for Liverpool? This is the team,dont forget, who are way off the pace in the league and got knocked out of the FA cup by Barnsley.
Baptista had an excellent scoring record in Spain; you only get to call him "half-baked" with the benefit of hindsight. In fact, this only goes to disprove your argument further, because it shows that signing established players doesn't always work.
I don't even know why I'm bothering to reply to you, anyone that suggests we sign Jaoquin is clearly a retard. If Wenger's policies bore you so much, you're more than welcome to fuck off and support Chelsea. At least then you won't embarrass the rest of us Arsenal fans who have to be lumped in with imbeciles like you.
What an angry man!!!
I retract my comments. They certainly were uncalled for and I know ultimatums like mine are normally loaded with a lot of bull. As much as there is very much wrong with what I said, they is a little truth though its irrelevant given the summary.
Of course I'd support no team rather than Arsenal. My comments were a reaction to an article saying "Le Boss not to make panic buys"..
Obviously by this time I should no better than to overreact to media and to what AW says.
I can't imagine supporting a club like Liverpool whose ownership is messed and their manager is so unpredictable you never know who he going to buy. i.e. Crouch. Liverpool spend over 20mil per window but they can hardly make top 3. That goes to show that they have no plan. I had no right to bash AW's plan. There's no better manager
Keyser Soze
15-03-2008, 03:47
What I am "fade" up with is cunts like you.
There's so much wrong with what you said but let's just pick on the obvious one.
"Liverpool went and broke the bank for Torres (a finished product) and it paid off"
Yes, Torres has done well and scored lots of goals. But has it paid off for Liverpool? This is the team,dont forget, who are way off the pace in the league and got knocked out of the FA cup by Barnsley.
Baptista had an excellent scoring record in Spain; you only get to call him "half-baked" with the benefit of hindsight. In fact, this only goes to disprove your argument further, because it shows that signing established players doesn't always work.
I don't even know why I'm bothering to reply to you, anyone that suggests we sign Jaoquin is clearly a retard. If Wenger's policies bore you so much, you're more than welcome to fuck off and support Chelsea. At least then you won't embarrass the rest of us Arsenal fans who have to be lumped in with imbeciles like you.
Glad someone has said it. Nice one.
Tigermen
15-03-2008, 17:43
What an angry man!!!
I retract my comments. They certainly were uncalled for and I know ultimatums like mine are normally loaded with a lot of bull. As much as there is very much wrong with what I said, they is a little truth though its irrelevant given the summary.
Of course I'd support no team rather than Arsenal. My comments were a reaction to an article saying "Le Boss not to make panic buys"..
Obviously by this time I should no better than to overreact to media and to what AW says.
I can't imagine supporting a club like Liverpool whose ownership is messed and their manager is so unpredictable you never know who he going to buy. i.e. Crouch. Liverpool spend over 20mil per window but they can hardly make top 3. That goes to show that they have no plan. I had no right to bash AW's plan. There's no better manager
Yeah fair play mate, sorry I shouldn't have replied in such an angry manner, but there are so many fans out there who just don't appreciate what they've got and believe me, we've got a helluva lot more than most teams out there.
@ Keyser, do you get many Chelsea fans doing the same? I'd imagine there must have been a lot of bandwagon jumpers coming aboard the last few years, who probably will abandon the ship if you go trophyless this season...
vanNistelrooy
15-03-2008, 17:59
Just for the record, Joaquin is wank.
Viperized
15-03-2008, 18:49
Ouch. Former Arsenal man Aliadiere scores and makes it 1-0 to Boro.
Heh. We've still got an hour to go, but it is looking more likely we'll get second place, week by week.
vanNistelrooy
15-03-2008, 19:09
Here he goes again...
wrathchild_uk
15-03-2008, 19:15
Ouch. Former Arsenal man Aliadiere scores and makes it 1-0 to Boro.
Heh. We've still got an hour to go, but it is looking more likely we'll get second place, week by week.
I'm sure you guys will score in the last minute again ;)
somegooner
15-03-2008, 19:21
We can turn this around if the ref finds his brain.
vanNistelrooy
15-03-2008, 19:22
Two goals in last 10 minutes for Arsenal to win.
wrathchild_uk
15-03-2008, 19:24
More like two goals in the last minute of added on time...
somegooner
15-03-2008, 19:30
The commentator sounds gay.
Our entire team is in their half lol
Viperized
15-03-2008, 20:03
Here he goes again...
Are you even watching the game?
The players aren't playing particularly well and haven't been done so in the league over the past few weeks.
We'll probably gain the draw in the last minute, but this is probably the final game deciding who will win the league title. It's a bit early to say this, but I personally think this is the case.
I'm not sure how many minutes are left but this stream has to be 10 minutes behind. But still, it looks very, very unlikely we'll win. 'Title challengers' Arsenal should be winning games like this if they really want to win the league, especially at home.
If we lose this game, it'll mean we've lost 7 points over the month. The dropped points just keep on adding up. ):
But of course I hope we do win...
somegooner
15-03-2008, 20:05
Goal!!!
EDIT: Fucking Mido!! What a fucking way to waste good time!!
Middlesbrough are just bus packing. One lucky goal and they sign out.
Fat MIDO has just been sent off. Bloody cunt has kicked Clichy in the face.
Viperized
15-03-2008, 20:10
Fucking hell. Van Persie returns from injury. Clichy goes out.
We're never going to have a fully fit starting 11. Hopefully it's nothing serious.
4 minutes of added time.. a win is a possibility.
edit:
1-1 FT. 4 games, 4 draws. Not good enough.
somegooner
15-03-2008, 20:15
Fuck the fucking ref.
Middlesbrough are the luckiest cunts alive. I have to admit Adebayor has been rather useless in most of the drawn games. Maybe he needs a breather.
vanNistelrooy
15-03-2008, 20:18
Whoever thinks the Mido sending off was rthe correct decision has lost the fucking plot.
somegooner
15-03-2008, 20:18
And they call us a team of cheats.
Troaré vs Joe Cole
I'm shaking.
vanNistelrooy
15-03-2008, 20:28
And they call us a team of cheats.
Troaré vs Joe Cole
I'm shaking.
No, just Eboue. Hleb dived in the game which upset me, because I enjoy watching him play and didn't think he had that in him :(
Why the Traoré bashing? He's had one bad game ffs!
Keyser Soze
15-03-2008, 20:31
Are you even watching the game?
The players aren't playing particularly well and haven't been done so in the league over the past few weeks.
We'll probably gain the draw in the last minute, but this is probably the final game deciding who will win the league title. It's a bit early to say this, but I personally think this is the case.
I'm not sure how many minutes are left but this stream has to be 10 minutes behind. But still, it looks very, very unlikely we'll win. 'Title challengers' Arsenal should be winning games like this if they really want to win the league, especially at home.
If we lose this game, it'll mean we've lost 7 points over the month. The dropped points just keep on adding up. ):
But of course I hope we do win...
Tbh you don't deserve success when you react like that after literally every point lost.
Disappointing really. not enough depth in the squad and the players look very worn.
Somehow we're still in the title race though, and anyone who says otherwise at this point is a fool.
somegooner
15-03-2008, 20:35
Hleb looked out of sorts. I'm expecting many new signings despite what Wenger said because our squad looked stretched and next season there will be 7 subs on the bench so we need more depth. If I know that Wenger knows that too.
Stella Artois
15-03-2008, 20:41
Please go and "support" someone else Viperized.
You're an absolute embarrassment.
Viperized is so fickle, it's actually quite funny.
Viperized
15-03-2008, 21:02
There is absolutely nothing wrong with what I've said.
Had someone like JoeyM or Stella said the same they wouldn't say anything.
"View Post
Are you even watching the game?
The players aren't playing particularly well and haven't been done so in the league over the past few weeks.
nothing wrong here. It is true that we haven't played particularly well in the league recently.
We'll probably gain the draw in the last minute, but this is probably the final game deciding who will win the league title. It's a bit early to say this, but I personally think this is the case.
again, nothing wrong with this
I'm not sure how many minutes are left but this stream has to be 10 minutes behind. But still, it looks very, very unlikely we'll win. 'Title challengers' Arsenal should be winning games like this if they really want to win the league, especially at home.
again, whats wrong with this?
If we lose this game, it'll mean we've lost 7 points over the month. The dropped points just keep on adding up. ):
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS?
But of course I hope we do win..."
I think everyone is just attacking me at every post which has the slightest bit of negativity.
Keyser Soze
15-03-2008, 21:06
There is absolutely nothing wrong with what I've said.
Had someone like JoeyM or Stella said the same they wouldn't say anything.
1) There really is, a lot of it is actually cringe-worthy.
e.g.this is probably the final game deciding who will win the league title
2) You are constantly speaking like this after every point dropped - it's not even just them comments alone, is it?
Viperized
15-03-2008, 21:08
1) There really is, a lot of it is actually cringe-worthy.
e.g.
2) You are constantly speaking like this after every point dropped - it's not even just them comments alone, is it?
Consistently dropping points while your rivals are gaining points is NOT a positive sign, especially when the fixture list is becoming increasingly difficult.
ThierryHenry14
15-03-2008, 21:22
With clichy looking injured what do you guys think of this formation??
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/4125/squaja3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Nifty1Pound50
15-03-2008, 21:32
I would really have thought that, if any game were going to be called "decisive," it would be the one between Arsenal and Manchester United.
Stella Artois
15-03-2008, 21:42
You're a baby Viperized.
Grow up, unless we win every game 5-0 you're not happy.
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1152/80262123ct5.jpg
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9554/gallasanchormansc0ck3.jpg
:laugh:
Stella Artois
15-03-2008, 23:36
Oh, if only I could photoshop.
pistolpete
16-03-2008, 00:35
Very disappoiting last few performances in the last few games, especially in the first halves of games.
Personally i am very pleased with where we are this season, if you look at last season, and compare where we and ManUtd finished, then at the summer transfer activity of both clubs - i am mighty proud of our season, we just need a few huge performances in the games to come.
Heres a nice video to cheer everyone up,
Carlos Vela, who hopefully will be with the first team next season, performing against Real Madrid for Osasuna.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuIJkWbKI7U
Looks like the lad has real talent, although he seems to be getting the 'Arsenal treatment' already! (2.35)
mufcsean
16-03-2008, 00:56
85% possession you had bloodyhell. Was a bit harsh the Mido sending off, surely Clichy won't be out til next week ThierryHenry14.
I feel Middlesbrough didn't deserve a point. They hardly put in a performance. They lay in their half from the time they scored to the end to the extent that Arsenal were playing more of a 1-1-8 formation rather than 4-4-2. And since most of the crucial decisions were made poorly they really got lucky
A win for Chelsea against Tottenham puts them level on points with us. Tottenham need to do as a serious favour with a repeat carling cup final performance. Or we'll have it all to do against Chelsea themselves.
I think Clichy will be fine. A few stitches should do the trick
Nifty1Pound50
16-03-2008, 12:35
Was a bit harsh the Mido sending off
It depends what stance you take. I have had this argument so many times, after Robin van Persie was dismissed for a similar offence last year some time, with my mates down the pub.
At the time, I argued to the death that van Persie should not have been sent off, as he had no idea that the player was there and, as such, his offence could not be considered one that endangered an opponent more than the regular partaking in the game does.
The counter-argument remains that a top-flight footballer should have enough awareness about him as to make the correct decision on when it is appropriate for him to pull a ball out of the air with his foot at that height. Making the incorrect judgement here can lead to kicking someone in the face.
The fact is, in both cases (van Persie last year and Mido yesterday), the player in question kicked another in the face. Red card.
vanNistelrooy
16-03-2008, 12:50
The counter-argument remains that a top-flight footballer should have enough awareness about him as to make the correct decision on when it is appropriate for him to pull a ball out of the air with his foot at that height. Making the incorrect judgement here can lead to kicking someone in the face.
So if someone from the lower league did it, they should not get a red card?
At the end of the day it wasn't a red card.
Will Boro appeal the red card I wonder? :/
Nifty1Pound50
16-03-2008, 13:24
So if someone from the lower league did it, they should not get a red card?
Being a Sunday-league footballer myself, I think it would be more quickly forgiven at that level (i.e. not penalised with red). You're getting bogged down on my wording rather than the point itself.
Although you do have to take into account the standard these guys play at. Reckless endangerment of an opponent, as I said, is more likely to be forgiven at a much lower level, where clumsiness is part-and-parcel of the game. For tens-of-thousands of Pounds a week, I think it's safe to say you can expect to feel that your fellow competitors will conduct themselves as safely as possible.
I wasn't necessarily saying that the decision was the right one - but I think what has to be considered is whether or not Mido could've avoided giving Clichy a kick in the face by being more aware of his surroundings. If the answer to that question is yes, then it's dangerous play and a red card.
At the end of the day it wasn't a red card.
The record books would suggest otherwise. ;)
vanNistelrooy
16-03-2008, 13:30
The record books would suggest otherwise. ;)
Which are formed on the back of bad refereeing decisions, which seem to happen more regularly nowadays.
I personally am convinced he shouldn't have been sent off. It was an accident, plain and simple.
Phil W.A.F.C
16-03-2008, 13:47
Mido shouldnt of seen red. Like Alan Shearer said last night, if that is a red card then anybody that attempts the over head kick should see red.
CaptainCabinet
16-03-2008, 13:52
Mido shouldnt of seen red. Like Alan Shearer said last night, if that is a red card then anybody that attempts the over head kick should see red.
The way I see it the problem is with the law, not with the interpretation of it.
Just to get things out the way, Shearer is talking nonce-sense;
Cross comes in, everyone in the centre of the box, the ball is cleared, player on the edge of the box with no-one around him goes up for an over head kick. Sending off? I don't think so.
The fact is, anyone jumping about like Mido last night is dangerous play, regardless of whether he meant it or not, it is dangerous. This means, by the letter of the law, it must be a red card.
However, I don't think the law is right, most cases are just not as black and white as dangerous and not dangerous.
Everybody here got it wrong, AGAIN, even after the Eduardo-Taylor incident.
Punishment for an action is not based solely on intent or solely on the outcome, but on a combination of both. That's why if you are negligent, and decide to play with your CD-changer in your car, and run over a 6-year-old, you go to prison. If you just play with your CD-changer, and nothing happens - then you didn't commit an offense.
It goes the opposite way as well: If you contemplate to kill a person, and execute your plan, you get life, for murder. If your plan is foiled, and you are caught before, you get attempted murder which is not mandatory life sentence. Mind you: if you shoot, and miss, you don't get mandatory life sentence.
So the logic says this: If your boot is flying high, and it caught someone in the FACE, you get a red. Simple. If it's just obviously dangerous, you'll get a yellow. And if it's just theoretically dangerous, it's nothing. It's actually quite moral, in my opinon: there is a difference between something that could-have-been dangerous, to something that was in fact dangerous and harmful. If you are truly a great professinal footballer, and can go for high balls with your leg up high, and will always get the ball and not your opponent's face - good for you. But if you mess up, get the fuck out, because this is football, not Kung-Fuckin-Bruce-Lee-Fu.
By the way, that's why I argued that Taylor should serve a very, very long ban, regardless of his intent (or claimed lack of it, which I find quite hard to believe... he's a good bloke bullshit.... bleh. Makes me sick. It only took one glance at his face, the second after the foul, to see he was all intent.)
CaptainCabinet
16-03-2008, 15:47
So the logic says this: If your boot is flying high, and it caught someone in the FACE, you get a red. Simple. If it's just obviously dangerous, you'll get a yellow. And if it's just theoretically dangerous, it's nothing.
Any kind of dangerous play, SHOULD be a red card. It generally isn't though by the letter of the law it should be regardless of contact.
Any kind of dangerous play, SHOULD be a red card. It generally isn't though by the letter of the law it should be regardless of contact.
I don't agree with you. If ANY dangerous play is a red card, we'll have too much discretion for judges to decide what was "red" dangerous and what wasn't; it can bring the game to unwanted levels of sissiness and generally decrease the level of intensity. It's like saying that whenever you fiddle around with your cd-player in your car you should have your license taken away. It just doesn't work that way. Sometimes it's ok to let people get away with stuff, because enforcing the law solely on intent will bring ridiculous results.
CaptainCabinet
16-03-2008, 16:13
I don't agree with you. If ANY dangerous play is a red card, we'll have too much discretion for judges to decide what was "red" dangerous and what wasn't; it can bring the game to unwanted levels of sissiness and generally decrease the level of intensity. It's like saying that whenever you fiddle around with your cd-player in your car you should have your license taken away. It just doesn't work that way. Sometimes it's ok to let people get away with stuff, because enforcing the law solely on intent will bring ridiculous results.
I don't agree with me either. I was quoting the official Fifa law on the subject.
greenegg
16-03-2008, 16:15
The way I see it the problem is with the law, not with the interpretation of it.
Just to get things out the way, Shearer is talking nonce-sense;
Cross comes in, everyone in the centre of the box, the ball is cleared, player on the edge of the box with no-one around him goes up for an over head kick. Sending off? I don't think so.
The fact is, anyone jumping about like Mido last night is dangerous play, regardless of whether he meant it or not, it is dangerous. This means, by the letter of the law, it must be a red card.
However, I don't think the law is right, most cases are just not as black and white as dangerous and not dangerous.
Cahill scored an Overhead against Chelsea, he had a defender attempting to head it away. This must be dangerous play by your definition?
CaptainCabinet
16-03-2008, 16:18
Cahill scored an Overhead against Chelsea, he had a defender attempting to head it away. This must be dangerous play by your definition?
Once again, not my definition, the one given by the FA law makers. Which I would like to point out that I do not agree with.
This is the problem we face, what is dangerous play and what isn't? Each ref will see it differently, just as every fan does. I'm inclined, on this one, to say it was a goal though. Simply because it was against Chelsea.
@ Captain - there are a lot of rules, laws and regulations that are (happily enough) not enforced according to the exact letter of the law. BTW I am sure that you are aware that the term "dangerous" is open to interpretation, and thus, discretion.
@ greenegg - thanks. My point exactly.
CaptainCabinet
16-03-2008, 16:21
@ Captain - there are a lot of rules, laws and regulations that are (happily enough) not enforced according to the exact letter of the law. BTW I am sure that you are aware that the term "dangerous" is open to interpretation, and thus, discretion.
@ greenegg - thanks. My point exactly.
Oh yes completely, that is why the game is in the dire state it is at the moment. The trouble is, no law will ever be black and white as no two challenges, passes, tackles or games are ever the same.
I would like to point out that I am completely in agreement with you and Greenegg on this, and was simply giving the point of view from the letter of the law.
Phatmann
16-03-2008, 18:14
Anyone planning on going to Brazil v Sweden at the Emirates? If so, I can get you discount. :shifty:
ThierryHenry14
16-03-2008, 20:56
Hmmm.... Tell us more!!!
Hmmm.... Tell us more!!!
It involves buggery
vanNistelrooy
16-03-2008, 21:24
It involves buggery
I originally read that as "burglery"
:laugh:
Original?
16-03-2008, 22:16
I originally read that as "burglery"
:laugh:
Coincidentally, that too.
Dragonfly
17-03-2008, 00:14
The thing I didn't like most about Mido's dismissal was the referee brought out the red after he saw the damage caused to Clichy's head. I'm convinced that if Clichy didn't have blood on show, or if he was even standing, Mido would've been given a yellow at the most.
vanNistelrooy
17-03-2008, 01:06
I'm afraid you be right.
Stella Artois
17-03-2008, 01:35
It was a sending off...get over it.
Van Persie was sent-off for exactly the same thing, I didn't see any of you running to defend the lad.
Dragonfly
17-03-2008, 01:44
I'm just having a moan at the referees' decision making. If a dangerous hight foot is a sending off, why wait until the physio signals for a stretcher before deciding to give a red card?
Stella Artois
17-03-2008, 01:46
It was a head injury...the first thing you do as a referee is assess the situation. As a former referee myself, he did exactly the right thing. Imagine if he'd have needed immediate attention to stop he swallowing his tongue and instead the referee was writing Mido's name in his book - wouldn't go down too well would it?
Dragonfly
17-03-2008, 01:52
That's what I was thinking, but the ref waited for a little while after the physio was tending too Clichy before taking his card out. If he had already made his mind up, why didn't he give the card as soon as the physio was looking at Clichy?
Stella Artois
17-03-2008, 02:09
Does waiting 5 or 6 seconds make a difference? If he was waiting to make sure there was definitely contact, what's the problem? It was dangerous and clearly in the eyes of the referee dangerous enough to warrant a red card.
I've absolutely no sympathy for Mido. We've been on the wrong end of this, so I couldn't give a toss. Especially as he's an ex-scummer.
Controversy hovers around Mido like second nature. That tackle was careless. Every club Mido has been at there's an incident. He certainly is no stranger to it.
I'm just having a moan at the referees' decision making. If a dangerous hight foot is a sending off, why wait until the physio signals for a stretcher before deciding to give a red card?
You could've saved yourself the pondering and moaning by reading what I've posted above. It's actually very logical that the ref's decision is influenced, among othe factors, by the actual damamge caused, and not solely intent. If it takes 6 seconds to make that assement, then the ref made an even better decision.
AGAIN: If you try to take off someone's head, it's one thing. If you take off their head, it's another thing. End of.
Dundon's
17-03-2008, 18:05
Lets just hope the return of Rosicky will get us them extra goals and flair we're lacking in the league over the last few months.
He must be fresh out, bloke has hardly kicked a ball this season.
somegooner
17-03-2008, 18:16
But out of the 14 odd times he's kicked the ball he's scored six. :D
Cannon ball
17-03-2008, 23:53
Why has the man named after an alcoholic beverage, banned?
mufcsean
17-03-2008, 23:55
Apparently he asked to be, as he needs to revise.
Cannon ball
17-03-2008, 23:57
Ahhh... so he can't give into temptation and post. Kudo's to him.
Dundon's
19-03-2008, 03:13
Serious question, do we still think we'll go on to lift the title?
I want to believe it and my heart tells me we will, but my head is telling me another thing. The last 4 league games have been nothing less than a disaster, but the big crunch games are still to come.
So what are we thinking?
I think if we don't win our next game irrespective of who it is we might as well have lost any real chance. A draw wouldn't be such a disaster but a loss would be another story. I can't see Bolton holding the mancs and unless Tottenham can somehow hold or better yet beat Chelsea, a win for Chelsea would mean they are level on points with us.
From that point any slip up would be catastrophic. So am hoping Tottenham play like derby did against the mancs having lost their last 2 games, uefa and league.
Dundon's
19-03-2008, 06:14
Well our next game is against Chelsea in the big super Sunday, hopefully regardless of the other results in between it proves to be a good weekend for us.
It all comes to down to motivation and will in the closing games of the season. Someone needs to step up and take charge.
Lead by example, if you will.
It all comes to down to motivation and will in the closing games of the season. Someone needs to step up and take charge.
Lead by example, if you will.
I've been meaning to write about this issue for a while, but thank you Barry for setting it up.
The pendolum theory. Going from one extreme to the other. This is what happened to us, and someone who will step up, will save us.
Remember the invincibles? It was probably the most balanced team of the last 10 years that I can remember. And balance was the key: tactical balance, combined with a balance of egos. After that season, we became imbalanced - the team was Henry, and Henry was the team. Some manouvers were played only to get the ball to Henry, which in turn, created and contributed a lot. It crippled our team, and that's why we looked a whole lot better after his departure.
In the first half of the season we saw an amazing Arsenal - playing like a well organized machine, egoless, everybody chipping in, everybody knows what to do. And it worked wonderfully. But then came injuries - to Cesc, RVP and Rosicky. But more importantly - the opponents learned us. Being predictable, is the first step in getting yourself into an inferior position.
Right now, looking at us play, I wish someone will just take the ball and try to dribble past a few enemy defenders. Better yet, shoot from 25 yards. But it hardly ever happens, because there is no one who has enough standing, or enough balls, to do it - and not fear failrue. Look at Bendtner (who has a big ego) - when he tried to take things on himself, and failed, he got yelled at. Right now, no one takes the responsibility. We are TOO collective, and not individualistic enough.
The pendolum swung. From being a team that is a single player, we became a team that has a few amazing players (Cesc, Adebayor, RVP) - but they are not STARS. They don't demand the ball and just take it on themselves, come what may.
And that's what we need right now.
RB14 ARSENAL
19-03-2008, 20:11
I agree totally; We need the big players to step up to the plate and rise to the occasion. We will need to play just as we did vs. milan to have any chance of a win at Stamford Bridge and an end to this frustrating patch of league form. A win at Chelsea would definitely give us our confidence back.
But, its like 3 years since Chelsea have been beaten at home; we beat them at the Emirates, so its about time we did the double over Chelsea and brought an end to that formidable home record for Chelsea.
COME ON ARSENAL!!
Please Discuss...
Regards,
RB14 ;)
Keyser Soze
19-03-2008, 20:28
I've said it for a long time time, Man United have been my favourites to win the title probably since Christmas now but it is completely open now. HUGE game on Sunday though, anyone going?
Please Discuss...
Regards,
RB14 ;)
You haven't said anything worth discussing...
Regards,
KS ;)
Viperized
19-03-2008, 23:30
I predict a draw.
vanNistelrooy
19-03-2008, 23:38
A draw would be good.
Tottenham just did us a favour by holding Chelsea. Now at least we have less of a mountain to climb.
somegooner
20-03-2008, 05:32
We've climbed many mountains this season.
RB14 ARSENAL
21-03-2008, 09:16
Yeah, and this may be too big of a mountain to climb.
Here are our remaining fixtures:
Barclays Premier League A Chelsea 4pm SS1
29 Sat Barclays Premier League A Bolton Wanderers 3pm ATVO
2 Wed Champions League H Liverpool 7.45pm ATVO
5 Sat Barclays Premier League H Liverpool 12.45pm SS1
8 Tue Champions League A Liverpool 7.45pm ATVO
13 Sun Barclays Premier League A Manchester Utd 4pm SS1
19 Sat Barclays Premier League H Reading 12.45pm SS1
22 Tue Champions League H Semi-Final 1L 7.45pm ATVO
28 Mon Barclays Premier League A Derby County 8pm SET 1
(If Arsenal reach the Champions League Semi-Final, this match will revert to Sat, 26 April)
30 Wed Champions League A Semi-Final 2L 7.45pm ATVO
3 Sat Barclays Premier League H Everton 3pm ATVO
11 Sun Barclays Premier League A Sunderland 3pm ATVO
21 Wed Champions League N Final TBA ITV 1
Do we have enough in us to still win the league and possibly the Champions Leagur, or have we blown it by drawing 4 games which we should have won....
vanNistelrooy
21-03-2008, 10:22
Tottenham just did us a favour by holding Chelsea. Now at least we have less of a mountain to climb.
Chelsea are behind you. You're chasing United.
Nifty1Pound50
21-03-2008, 12:29
It's not even that much of a mountain.
For the purposes of hypothesising, I'm going to assume Arsenal, Chelsea and Manchester United win all of their games except the ones involving each other and Liverpool.
Then, it comes down to who beats who - and, the fact is, whoever is brave enough to go out to win those games, will win those games, and go on to win the league.
If we adopt a bold approach at the Bridge, we'll beat Chelsea and effectively eliminate them from the title race. We then take the same attitude to Liverpool, and it effectively comes down to whether we can go to Old Trafford and snatch it away from them.
Have we done it before? Yes. Can we do it again? Yes.
Stop being such a bunch of pessimistic 11 year olds.
Chelsea are behind you. You're chasing United.
I know. But If Chelsea beat Tottenham we'd be level on points with them and knowing us and our lack of experience, we are more than likely of cracking under the pressure than Chelsea are.
At least now we go into the Chelsea game with less pressure.
Keyser Soze
21-03-2008, 15:07
It's not even that much of a mountain.
For the purposes of hypothesising, I'm going to assume Arsenal, Chelsea and Manchester United win all of their games except the ones involving each other and Liverpool.
Then, it comes down to who beats who - and, the fact is, whoever is brave enough to go out to win those games, will win those games, and go on to win the league.
If we adopt a bold approach at the Bridge, we'll beat Chelsea and effectively eliminate them from the title race. We then take the same attitude to Liverpool, and it effectively comes down to whether we can go to Old Trafford and snatch it away from them.
Have we done it before? Yes. Can we do it again? Yes.
Stop being such a bunch of pessimistic 11 year olds.
You do speak a lot of sense and it's mostly good logic but, without sounding real arrogant and cocky, I really don't think we'll lose to you at home. I've got a bad feeling it'll be a draw (1-1), but we'll have to wait and see.
Nifty1Pound50
21-03-2008, 16:17
You do speak a lot of sense and it's mostly good logic but, without sounding real arrogant and cocky, I really don't think we'll lose to you at home. I've got a bad feeling it'll be a draw (1-1), but we'll have to wait and see.
Sitting on the fence? Bah.
I know your run of games at home without losing is impressive, but it has to end some time - and if we want to win the title, we need to set out to try and win this game. If we play our football, and it comes off, we'll demolish whoever is in front of us.
If we don't, then there's a high likelihood that we will drop points.
I'm going to stick my neck out and say 2-1 Arsenal.
somegooner
21-03-2008, 17:04
1-0 Arsenal or maybe 0-0.
Keyser Soze
21-03-2008, 18:33
Sitting on the fence? Bah.
I know your run of games at home without losing is impressive, but it has to end some time - and if we want to win the title, we need to set out to try and win this game. If we play our football, and it comes off, we'll demolish whoever is in front of us.
If we don't, then there's a high likelihood that we will drop points.
I'm going to stick my neck out and say 2-1 Arsenal.
Oh go on then! :blush: 2-1 Chelsea for me. Should be a good'un.
ThierryHenry14
21-03-2008, 19:32
We almost beat Chelsea at home last year , only after a hit and hope goal from Essien...
Even though it was a good goal..
mufcsean
22-03-2008, 02:19
I know. But If Chelsea beat Tottenham we'd be level on points with them and knowing us and our lack of experience, we are more than likely of cracking under the pressure than Chelsea are.
At least now we go into the Chelsea game with less pressure.
Sorry but aren't Chelsea fairly new to all this compared to Arsenal, i could be wrong but i have been watching football for over 3 years and i'm sure i'm right :erm:
Keyser Soze
22-03-2008, 03:25
Sorry but aren't Chelsea fairly new to all this compared to Arsenal, i could be wrong but i have been watching football for over 3 years and i'm sure i'm right :erm:
The current team at Arsenal have more experience than Chelsea's squad? I'm sure you're wrong.
mufcsean
22-03-2008, 18:32
I meant Wenger actually, i should have said
vanNistelrooy
22-03-2008, 19:45
On a number of ocassions Chelski have been there for the taking this season.
I've always thought that either Arsenal or United were capable of being one of those teams who could take their chance.
Glenn Helder is in the nut house apparently :loopy:
somegooner
23-03-2008, 13:48
Who's Glen Helder??
He is, he threatened his girlfriend with this and that. Bit of a nutcase.
RB14 ARSENAL
23-03-2008, 14:09
I'm going to take a stab at 1-0 or 1-1
If we score first, we win. However if they score 1st, then we will nick an equaliser late on like we always do when we go behind.
We have been lucky these past few games to actually get draws. We have took our foot off the pedal as of late.
We need to get back up to top gear and get a much-needed win up at Chel$ea to get right in the thick of the title race.
Hoping Liverpool cause an upset at O.T so we can follow it up with a win.
somegooner
23-03-2008, 14:39
Squad:
-------------------------Almunia--------------------------
--Sagna---------Touré-----------Gallas------Clichy----
--Eboué---------Fabregas-----Flamini--------Hleb-----
-----------------Adebayor-----Van Persie---------------
Subs:
- Lehmann
- Senderos
- Denilson/Gilberto
- Walcott
- Bendtner
Not sure if Clichy is fit though.
Hoping that Walcott starts wide right but I read that Wenger will start Eboué.
ThierryHenry14
23-03-2008, 15:10
Eboue will proabably start but Walcott will come on towards the end I guess.
somegooner
23-03-2008, 15:12
And Clichy??
RB14 ARSENAL
23-03-2008, 15:21
And Clichy??
If Clichy is not fit, then Sagna could play left-back and Eboue could play RB, then if that was the case Theo would start at RM.
somegooner
23-03-2008, 15:43
I have a feeling that Traoré will start if Clichy isn't fit.
Who's Glen Helder??
He's only the player Dennis Bergkamp could have been :shifty:
http://members.lycos.nl/nataschaactie/hpbimg/Glenn%20Helder.jpg
somegooner
23-03-2008, 15:46
http://www.arsenal.com/injury.asp?thisNav=First+Team&Title=Injury+News
Well Clichy isn't on this page so I think that he'll start. Yessssss!
:laugh: Look at Willy Gallas!! Man you all know what he's saying to them..."i aint gettin' on no plane"
RB14 ARSENAL
23-03-2008, 16:49
Predictions for the game vs. Chel$ea lads????
Discuss....
Scroll up to see my post earlier.
Predictions for the game vs. Chel$ea lads????
Discuss....
Scroll up to see my post earlier.
1-1.
it should be tight but if any team wins I think it could be Chelsea.
Really hope the Gooners win it though.
somegooner
23-03-2008, 16:52
1-0 for us.
EDIT: Eboué :doh:
EDIT 2: GOAL GOAL GOAL GOAL GOAL!!!!!!!!!!
Sagna breaks his duck against the perfect oppostion!!!!
EDIT 3: Oh fuck :doh:
EDIT 4: I'm waiting for Viperized to come and rant. I might rant with him.
EDIT 5: We won't win the fucking league.
EDIT 6: JUST FUCKING HOOF IT UPFIELD!!
EDIT 7: Oh Shit. :doh:
EDIT 8: I think I've broken the record for edits on this forum.
EDIT 9: I'm going to bed.
EDIT 10: What is the record for edits anyway??
Now we should try to concentrate on the CL. Forget the EPL it's too far now. Hopefully next season pans out like 03-04 because certainly this season was like 02-03.
vanNistelrooy
23-03-2008, 18:59
So that's Arsenal out of the title race.
Don Sweey
23-03-2008, 19:00
So that's Arsenal out of the title race.
I assume you're being sarcastic as they're not quite out yet, more on the brink of being out of it ;)
Viperized
23-03-2008, 19:01
somegooner, what the fuck are you on about? I've been right all along. We were never going to win the title thanks to our earlier results.
Drawing four times in a row = severe negative impact on our title chances. We dropped 8 fucking points against average teams such as Wigan and Middlesbrough.
Playing your players out of position is also pretty fucking stupid. Van Persie on the left wing with Hleb up front? Genius. As a result, Adebayor did fuck all tonight, and hasn't done so over the past four games by playing as the lone man up front.
I think it is pretty clear who is going to win the title - United.
Nifty1Pound50
23-03-2008, 19:02
Rasiak > Drogba http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/4997/armsfoldedgv6.png
somegooner
23-03-2008, 19:03
Well we have Bolton away next and we rarely beat them at the Reebok so we are out of it. Liverpool are beatable and then we get Chelsea again so I think we should focus on the CL now.
Well we have Bolton away next and we rarely beat them at the Reebok so we are out of it. Liverpool are beatable and then we get Chelsea again so I think we should focus on the CL now.
They're a different kettle of fish in Europe. I'd be wary of them
vanNistelrooy
23-03-2008, 19:07
I assume you're being sarcastic as they're not quite out yet, more on the brink of being out of it ;)
6 points behind us, with 19 less on goal difference, so it's effectively 7 points.
If we were not to win it I would prefer Arsenal did, but that doesn't look likely anymore.
somegooner
23-03-2008, 19:09
Fair play to Drogba for saying that Gallas should be respected more.
vanNistelrooy
23-03-2008, 19:10
He doesn't deserve any until he stops acting like a fucking child.
Nifty1Pound50
23-03-2008, 19:12
Well we have Bolton away next and we rarely beat them at the Reebok so we are out of it. Liverpool are beatable and then we get Chelsea again so I think we should focus on the CL now.
Are you suggesting that we are more likely to beat Liverpool than Bolton?
We were very poor today - we created next-to-nothing all game. Our goal came from a corner, which was fairly well worked.
Other than that, there was the corner that Gallas strayed offside from, a half-chance for van Persie and very little else.
Eboué's performance once again raised the question as to why he's even at the club - since his outstanding debut season he's been very poor, and as a person he's an absolute waste of skin. It only took the petulent cunt 5 minutes to get booked and start towing the line. Fuck him off as soon as possible.
somegooner
23-03-2008, 19:16
Wenger will find some good players in the summer. We need signings since we will be naming 18 man match squads.
Viperized
23-03-2008, 19:16
Eboué's performance once again raised the question as to why he's even at the club - since his outstanding debut season he's been very poor, and as a person he's an absolute waste of skin. It only took the petulent cunt 5 minutes to get booked and start towing the line. Fuck him off as soon as possible.
Agreed. He has been a waste of space ever since Wenger decided to play him as a right midfielder.
Viperized
23-03-2008, 19:19
Wenger will find some good players in the summer. We need signings since we will be naming 18 man match squads.
He'll probably find some good players but won't buy them.
We'll end up getting an 18 year old from Mozambique and a 16 year old from Bosnia.
He'll probably find some good players but won't buy them.
We'll end up getting an 18 year old from Mozambique and a 16 year old from Bosnia.Arsenal don't deserve your amazing support.
pistolpete
23-03-2008, 19:31
Absolutely gutted with that performance today.
I think we have had a great season but what a time to have our worst run since '94.
even though we didnt create enough in the game - to be ahead with 20 to go and then to throw it away cause we cant defend long balls is heartbreaking.
We showed absolutely no conviction when we got the lead, we didnt change our tactics to preserve it, and Drogba didnt need to do much to get 2 goals, just stand around the penalty box - so why does ade spend so much time poncing around on the left wing when we have a 5 midfield?
One more thing, i think its time to buy a natural centre half who can go and win every header - and use Toure as a midfielder.
Tigermen
23-03-2008, 19:35
He'll probably find some good players but won't buy them.
We'll end up getting an 18 year old from Mozambique and a 16 year old from Bosnia.
To be honest, this whole "Wenger+Kids" characature is getting a bit old. Let's look at our signings from the last two seasons:
06-07 we brought in Gallas (30), Rosicky (26) and Baptista (24) and Denilson (18). So, one kid.
This season we brought in Eduardo (24), Sagna (24), Fabianski (22), Diarra (22) and Nordveit (18). So, again, one kid.
This summer, Wenger will probably do what he's done for the last two seasons now, buy a couple of kids and a couple of players between the ages of, say, 21-26. And that's exactly what he should be doing.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for criticism, but constructive criticism. Not regurgitated media hyperbole which has no real factual basis.
Nifty1Pound50
23-03-2008, 20:00
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for criticism, but constructive criticism. Not regurgitated media hyperbole which has no real factual basis.
Precisely. Who ever heard of a Mozambiquan living to the age of 18? :happy:
Viperized
23-03-2008, 20:57
It's pretty sad that we've played fairly well throughout the main course of the season, being in first place for a good time, and then mess up in the last few weeks only for us to fall to third place.
Wenger believes we are still in the title race.. meh.
ThierryHenry14
23-03-2008, 22:00
I think we should now start to focus on the Champions league...
Dragonfly
23-03-2008, 22:42
I think we should now start to focus on the Champions league...
We still have a very good chance of winning the league.
Viperized
23-03-2008, 23:38
We still have a very good chance of winning the league.
Joke?
Dragonfly
23-03-2008, 23:44
Joke?
No. Except for the Man Utd game, we should win the rest of the league games, and we still have a chance to beat Man Utd.
Nifty1Pound50
23-03-2008, 23:54
Exactly, we win all of our games - including beating Man Utd. Chelsea beat Man Utd, and drop points somewhere else.
Then we just need United to drop points at one other club and we win the league.
The fact is it will still come down to results between the big four. I feel as though it's still just about in our hands.
mufcsean
24-03-2008, 01:09
Was that Sagna's first ever professional goal?
Dragonfly
24-03-2008, 01:13
After a quick search, I think so.
Stella Artois
24-03-2008, 13:51
Mark Clatternburg deserves aids of the face.
somegooner
24-03-2008, 16:59
ManUre will draw a game and lose to West Ham and if they beat Chelsea and we win all of our coming games and manage a draw against them then we will win the league but I'm not sure what the odds on it are.
mufcsean
24-03-2008, 19:42
I doubt we'll lose such a vital game at home unless we already have the league wrapped up by then ;)
I've gotta say i can't see United throwing it away and certainly can't see Arsenal winning their remaining games, losing to Chelsea was a big blow.
The title is man United's to throw away. They are really stable and I just can't see that happening.
As for Arsenal, Drogba showed once again that we are not good enough. Like Crouch before, Drogba a good target man had a ball in our aerially handicapped defense. Senderos/Gallas looks like a better partnership than Toure/Gallas. As much as I want to believe Toure is class he just hasn't looked it all season. Even when he went for the ACN he was being made to rotate, fall, stagger and all that. I know he gives his all. I love his commitment but on a number of occasions he looked like he could easily give away a penalty. He is always been turned and blinded-sided. We can't rely on him next season.
We need a tall, stable centre half if Senderos isn't going to make the cut. Also next season we should not be relying on Rosicky and Hleb for inspiration. They have the quality no doubt and can be breathtaking when on form but when the going gets tough they cower with fear.
Our bench is also too weak. We don't have game changers or rather players to bring on for the off-form-lacking-in-confidence players.
Phatmann
25-03-2008, 04:42
The title is man United's to throw away. They are really stable and I just can't see that happening.
As for Arsenal, Drogba showed once again that we are not good enough. Like Crouch before, Drogba a good target man had a ball in our aerially handicapped defense. Senderos/Gallas looks like a better partnership than Toure/Gallas. As much as I want to believe Toure is class he just hasn't looked it all season. Even when he went for the ACN he was being made to rotate, fall, stagger and all that. I know he gives his all. I love his commitment but on a number of occasions he looked like he could easily give away a penalty. He is always been turned and blinded-sided. We can't rely on him next season.
We need a tall, stable centre half if Senderos isn't going to make the cut. Also next season we should not be relying on Rosicky and Hleb for inspiration. They have the quality no doubt and can be breathtaking when on form but when the going gets tough they cower with fear.
Our bench is also too weak. We don't have game changers or rather players to bring on for the off-form-lacking-in-confidence players.
Senderos and Gallas better than Toure and Gallas? Are you sure?
The title is man United's to throw away. They are really stable and I just can't see that happening.
As for Arsenal, Drogba showed once again that we are not good enough. Like Crouch before, Drogba a good target man had a ball in our aerially handicapped defense. Senderos/Gallas looks like a better partnership than Toure/Gallas. As much as I want to believe Toure is class he just hasn't looked it all season. Even when he went for the ACN he was being made to rotate, fall, stagger and all that. I know he gives his all. I love his commitment but on a number of occasions he looked like he could easily give away a penalty. He is always been turned and blinded-sided. We can't rely on him next season.
We need a tall, stable centre half if Senderos isn't going to make the cut. Also next season we should not be relying on Rosicky and Hleb for inspiration. They have the quality no doubt and can be breathtaking when on form but when the going gets tough they cower with fear.
Our bench is also too weak. We don't have game changers or rather players to bring on for the off-form-lacking-in-confidence players.
Are you serious?
Senderos and Gallas better than Toure and Gallas? Are you sure?
At the moment yes, in some games it is. Toure is very poor in the air. He is at more of an advantage than Senderos because of his pace. But via positioning and reading the game he is very poor. His defending has been going downhill since Campbell's departure.
Gallas is obviously better than Toure given his experience so if you were to drop anyone it would have to be Toure. That is against teams that have players of Drogba's caliber.
Just because Senderos has looked shite is the past, many think its insane to even consider him. But the lad has looked very stable when he has played alongside Gallas.
Keyser Soze
25-03-2008, 04:52
Should have gone in for Woodgate tbh.
Phatmann
25-03-2008, 04:52
Yes in some games it is. Toure is very poor in the air. He is at more of an advantage than Senderos because of his pace. But via positioning and reading the game he is very poor. His defending has been going downhill since Campbell's departure.
Gallas is obviously better than Toure given his experience so if you were to drop anyone it would have to be Toure. That is against teams that have players of Drogba's caliber.
I think Lehmann would do a better job at CB than Senderos to be honest. :mellow:
I think Lehmann would do a better job at CB than Senderos to be honest. :mellow:
Come on that's harsh. Senderos has put in some man of the match performances notably against AC Milan, Blackburn and mostly in the short spell Toure was away with the Ivory Coast.
At the moment yes, in some games it is. Toure is very poor in the air. He is at more of an advantage than Senderos because of his pace. But via positioning and reading the game he is very poor. His defending has been going downhill since Campbell's departure.
Gallas is obviously better than Toure given his experience so if you were to drop anyone it would have to be Toure. That is against teams that have players of Drogba's caliber.
Just because Senderos has looked shite is the past, many think its insane to even consider him. But the lad has looked very stable when he has played alongside Gallas.
Drogba would be a problem for anyone when he plays like that, I remember him doing worst things to Senderos that he did to Toure on Sunday. Toure has some weaknesses but Senderos has far more.
Drogba would be a problem for anyone when he plays like that, I remember him doing worst things to Senderos that he did to Toure on Sunday. Toure has some weaknesses but Senderos has far more.
I was going to mention that. In 05-06 he pretty much dominated Senderos in the games and also in the Carling Cup Final last season. I think it knocked Senderos' confidence, because prior to those occasions he was playing very well.
I think blob is being very harsh on Toure.
somegooner
25-03-2008, 14:56
Touré isn't too bad in the air. He scores many headers and he has such a high jump. He might do better in the Viera role if Flamini leaves because he comes across as VERY attack minded for a CB.
We are being linked with Hatem Ben Arfa. Hope this is true so we can sell Rosicky, buy a backup winger and STILL have cover for Robin van Persie.
Next Season:
----------------------Almunia------------------
--Sagna----Senderos-----Gallas-----Clichy---
---Hleb--------Touré----Fabregas--Ben Arfa--
------------Adebayor------Van Persie----------
Bench:
- Fabianski - Song - Walcott - Bendtner- Dimityov.
Walcott is a good impact sub and Bendtner will do better next season. Dimitryov is quick and could be another good impact sub. Song could play well at CB and DM so if we are winning or need to switch to 3-5-2 .
Lehmann should leave. We are also being linked to another German 'keeper but he's a young one and he plays for Barnsley. Championship watchers can tell me if he's good he is also mentioned in the article I posted a link to.
Randomness.
Senderos could have played for Spain due to his Spanish father. He chose his country of birth.
We dodged a bullet there :tongue:
Also he's birthday is on Valentines day. Fact!
somegooner
25-03-2008, 15:58
Denilson and Diaby on my bench too in my previous post because I forgot that next season we will use 7 subs.
mufcsean
25-03-2008, 20:18
Where is Rosicky in your team somegooner
vanNistelrooy
25-03-2008, 20:20
Treatment room.
Viperized
25-03-2008, 20:51
Arsenal need to do the following:
Sell Senderos, get in a capable backup CB. Toure is fine.
Sell Eboue. Get a winger who can play on both wings, and one that doesn't get injured consistently.
Perhaps a keeper.
Gilberto is probably going to leave - don't mind this. Gilberto is past his best and I'd like to thank him for helping us win the double in 04 and helping us go unbeaten for a season. This would also move Diaby to the centre, as opposed to being stuck on the left wing, a position were he is clearly uncomfortable in. But if Diaby will have a role as a winger next season then I hope he is sold. He should ONLY play as a central midfielder.
Almunia/Fabianski/Keeper
Sagna/Hoyte/Djourou/Toure/Gallas/CB/Clichy/Troare
Hleb/Rosicky/Walcott/Winger/Fabregas/Flamini/Denilson/Diaby
Van Persie/Adebayor/Eduardo/Vela/Bendtner
Seems like an okay squad. I greatly anticipate the arrival of Vela... though he'll probably take quite a bit of time to gel in.
Nifty1Pound50
25-03-2008, 22:22
I really can't see Wenger handing Diaby the extra responsibility that inevitably goes with a central midfield berth until he learns the simple concept that he actually has 10 other players on the field trying to help him at any given time.
Although he's clearly got some talent, he has the most unfootballer-like decision making skills I have seen in years from anyone at the club - by a long way, as well. Most footballers have at least some degree of instinct regarding the best thing to do at any given time - this is what helps them succeed. He seems severely lacking in this most-important of characteristics for someone playing central midfield, especially in the English top-flight where most teams employ at least one midfielder whom is instructed to simply disrupt the game of the opposition central midfielders.
vanNistelrooy
25-03-2008, 22:40
I take it you've never seen Ibrahimovic play then?
Nifty1Pound50
25-03-2008, 22:49
I take it you've never seen Ibrahimovic play then?
Not in centre midfield.
And not very well, either. I've only ever seen him in the Champions' League - but I've never seen him have a good game.
vanNistelrooy
25-03-2008, 22:51
He's just as one minded as Diaby, if not more. I hate watching him play, as he always wants to do it on his own and the bottom line is he isn't good enough.
Wouldn't knock Diaby too much though. He should be coming on to try save games rather than Walcott - or is Diaby injured and I'm not aware?
Viperized
25-03-2008, 22:55
I really can't see Wenger handing Diaby the extra responsibility that inevitably goes with a central midfield berth until he learns the simple concept that he actually has 10 other players on the field trying to help him at any given time.
Although he's clearly got some talent, he has the most unfootballer-like decision making skills I have seen in years from anyone at the club - by a long way, as well. Most footballers have at least some degree of instinct regarding the best thing to do at any given time - this is what helps them succeed. He seems severely lacking in this most-important of characteristics for someone playing central midfield, especially in the English top-flight where most teams employ at least one midfielder whom is instructed to simply disrupt the game of the opposition central midfielders.
He was class against Chelsea in the Carling Cup Final and produced a brilliant display alongside Denilson against Bolton in the F.A. Cup last season, so there is hope.
He also showed flashes of what is capable of towards the end of last season. His injury has set his progress back a bit, but I think he can be a good player if he sorts out his passing and decision making.
Keyser Soze
25-03-2008, 22:57
Diaby has clearly got the talent, and a nice swagger about him on the ball. As Nifty says though, his decision-making is just shocking. For a big lad, he really isn't too keen on a big challenge either.
Nifty1Pound50
25-03-2008, 22:57
Wouldn't knock Diaby too much though. He should be coming on to try save games rather than Walcott - or is Diaby injured and I'm not aware?
It's difficult to have sympathy with a player who's wrong decisions cost your team posession four times out of five.
The simple fact remains that he is entirely ineffectual. The only time he's played well was when we rampaged through a Division-Seventeen-standard Derby County team early on in the season - he happened to score a thunderbolt and everyone went on about it for a week or two.
It's been wrongly-timed passes and getting caught in posession on the half-way line when there's an easy pass on back to your full-back who won't give it away ever since.
Viperized
25-03-2008, 23:10
It's difficult to have sympathy with a player who's wrong decisions cost your team posession four times out of five.
The simple fact remains that he is entirely ineffectual. The only time he's played well was when we rampaged through a Division-Seventeen-standard Derby County team early on in the season - he happened to score a thunderbolt and everyone went on about it for a week or two.
It's been wrongly-timed passes and getting caught in posession on the half-way line when there's an easy pass on back to your full-back who won't give it away ever since.
But in every one of those games he has played on the left wing. I don't think he has played in his proper position at all this season.
TBH....Chelsea had some luck...as did ManU...Pool got scrunched by the ref...we got screwed with poor concentration (self-inflicted) due to 3 of our defenders going off the pitch in one go etc etc....If Sagna kept fit...who knows right?!
Let's not cry over spilt milk or criticise the subs not having much impact...poor Walcott got a SINGLE ball, and Diaby not much better...so as a TEAM Arsenal failed...and Wenger admitted we didn't use the wings properly.
Let's see how Bolton goes...the season hinges on the long run...and now we are at the brink of having a bust season due to the poor run of results that Arsene probably didn't anticipate. Lambs to the slaught...or wolf in lamb's clothing?! We'll soon see.
Keyser Soze
26-03-2008, 15:12
TBH....Chelsea had some luck...as did ManU...Pool got scrunched by the ref...we got screwed with poor concentration (self-inflicted) due to 3 of our defenders going off the pitch in one go etc etc....If Sagna kept fit...who knows right?!
Lol, shutup. You were poor through-out though, you forgot that small detail.
somegooner
26-03-2008, 15:44
Treatment room.
Exactly what I wanted to say.
pistolpete
26-03-2008, 22:40
Lol, shutup. You were poor through-out though, you forgot that small detail.
I dont mean to ju