Arsenal

[Meyyappan]

Flameboy wanted to leave

[Viperized]

The pundits claiming Arsenal must change their style of play to win is laughable. We attempted to MATCH Stoke physically by putting on the likes of Bendtner, Song and Diaby, and we lost. You see, we weren't playing with our usual style of play.

Had we won that game, no one would have said a thing about our style of play. We are more effective when we pass the ball around quickly.

I personally think Arsenal need to play with a quicker tempo and have to be more direct (i.e. no more sideway passes between our midfield and to pass forwards instead. Does not mean hoofing the ball up front - we fail at this.)

[I.N Extasy]

Care to remind me why you began supporting Man United?

The first few things I heard about football (mainly from my cousin and father who both support Manchester) were David Beckham, Ryan Giggs and Zidane. I have always supported Manchester United and will keep on doing so.

Your defence really needs sorting, I agree Bishop. And this has been the case for quite a while... You need a strong defender who is determined and that can control the defensive line properly. I'm not saying Galas is not good, he just attacks way too much for my liking.

[ThierryHenry14]

We need a Keown/Adams type defender.

[Viperized]

The first few things I heard about football (mainly from my cousin and father who both support Manchester) were David Beckham, Ryan Giggs and Zidane. I have always supported Manchester United and will keep on doing so.
Or the fact that United won the treble.

[vanNistelrooy]

A fuck ugly one? You shouldn't have offloaded Senderos then!

[I.N Extasy]

Or the fact that United won the treble.

Your stupidity baffles me.

[mufcsean]

Your stupidity baffles me.

8v9yUVgrmPY

[CaptainCabinet]

8v9yUVgrmPY

:lol:
Best use of Alanis I've ever seen

[I.N Extasy]

In general, people tend to think that others think on the same level as they do. And that applies to most of us here, including you two. (mufcsean and CaptainCabinet)

I may be naive and to a certain extent unwise, but I am definitely not stupid.

[Viperized]

In general, people tend to think that others think on the same level as they do. And that applies to most of us here, including you two. (mufcsean and CaptainCabinet)

I may be naive and to a certain extent unwise, but I am definitely not stupid.
Yes you are.

[CaptainCabinet]

In general, people tend to think that others think on the same level as they do. And that applies to most of us here, including you two. (mufcsean and CaptainCabinet)

I may be naive and to a certain extent unwise, but I am definitely not stupid.

Fancy contradicting yourself a bit more there? It's just, I don't think you quite covered it enough.

[mufcsean]

In general, people tend to think that others think on the same level as they do. And that applies to most of us here, including you two. (mufcsean and CaptainCabinet)

I may be naive and to a certain extent unwise, but I am definitely not stupid.

Make up your mind son

[ThierryHenry14]

Get this spam talk outta here.

[Barry]

Make up your mind son

I don't think he is contradicting himself here. You can be intelligent and still a bit naive.

And wisdom...well who knows when we get that?

[wrigh2uk]

A fuck ugly one? You shouldn't have offloaded Senderos then!

Yes we should.

[I.N Extasy]

I don't think he is contradicting himself here. You can be intelligent and still a bit naive.

And wisdom...well who knows when we get that?

Thank you. I was felt way too sleepy at two in the morning to reply to that.

[Meyyappan]

This week has been horrible. I felt sick against Spurs and today deflated against Stoke. Our title bid is all but out the window with the game left to save our domestic season being at home to Man Utd. It seems impossible. But we are Gooners. We never know when we are beat. 1970 vs Anderlecht 3-1 down from the 1st leg and we charged back to win at Highbury to win our 1st European trophy. 1989 those boys never knew when to give up and got their reward. 1998 13 points behind the dominant force of English football and we charged them down and won the double. 2005 in the face of adversity we held on and with a backs against the walls job we secured our last mahor trophy. 2008 vs Bolton 2-0 down in shocking weather and 10 men we showed all our character and grit to win and hang in the title race. That is what being an Arsenal fan is all about. Even when all seems lost, sometimes we can pull it out of the bag.

We're just gonna have to do it again. Starting with Man Utd. Us fans must get behind the players. They are down and need our help. They may be on astronomical wages but they are still human. With our backing and the passion we will inject into the game, we can save our season. The players, the manager and the fans are in this together. Together we will succeed. We Gooners will pull through. We always do.

I maintain that with just two players Arsenal would be an unstoppable force in the Premiership, and I'm sure we could get these players for £20-30 million. We need a domineering CB and a ball-winning CM. My suggestions:

Centre-Back
Name: David Wheater
Club: Boro
Expected value: £8-12 million

At 6ft5 (195cm), he would be the perfect solution to our defence's aerial frailties. Furthermore his youth (21) would make him a perfect fit in our young squad. He also boasts captainship of the England U21s, marking him out as a possible dominating leader of the future. Oh yeah, and he's English.

And Yaya toure or more realistically:
Centre-Midfield
Name: Lorik Cana
Club: Olympique Marseille
Expected value: £10-15 million
Pros: This tough-tackling, hard-working CM is the perfect foil to the rest of the Arsenal midfield, and would provide the kind of backbone the Arsenal side have been lacking in recent weeks. Furthermore his familiarity with a francophone environment would remove any 'settling in' problems.

[nath_scfc]

Another thing, your lot looked as though they wanted a good dinner down them. There were a few tall players, but across the board all of the players looked very skinny.

[BarnDoor]

Another thing, your lot looked as though they wanted a good dinner down them. There were a few tall players, but across the board all of the players looked very skinny.

As opposed to the too many good dinners most of your fat cunts have had down them?

[nath_scfc]

Dom Matteo hasn't played in ages. You lads seem to be missing Abdoulaye. Must've been high on crystal meth when you agreed the £2m fee.

[BarnDoor]

Its called 'Dennis Wise is a useless tampon' syndrome.

[mufcsean]

This week has been horrible. I felt sick against Spurs and today deflated against Stoke. Our title bid is all but out the window with the game left to save our domestic season being at home to Man Utd. It seems impossible. But we are Gooners. We never know when we are beat. 1970 vs Anderlecht 3-1 down from the 1st leg and we charged back to win at Highbury to win our 1st European trophy. 1989 those boys never knew when to give up and got their reward. 1998 13 points behind the dominant force of English football and we charged them down and won the double. 2005 in the face of adversity we held on and with a backs against the walls job we secured our last mahor trophy. 2008 vs Bolton 2-0 down in shocking weather and 10 men we showed all our character and grit to win and hang in the title race. That is what being an Arsenal fan is all about. Even when all seems lost, sometimes we can pull it out of the bag.

We're just gonna have to do it again. Starting with Man Utd. Us fans must get behind the players. They are down and need our help. They may be on astronomical wages but they are still human. With our backing and the passion we will inject into the game, we can save our season. The players, the manager and the fans are in this together. Together we will succeed. We Gooners will pull through. We always do.

I maintain that with just two players Arsenal would be an unstoppable force in the England League, and I'm sure we could get these players for £20-30 million. We need a domineering CB and a ball-winning CM. My suggestions:

Centre-Back
Name: David Wheater
Club: Boro
Expected value: £8-12 million

At 6ft5 (195cm), he would be the perfect solution to our defence's aerial frailties. Furthermore his youth (21) would make him a perfect fit in our young squad. He also boasts captainship of the England U21s, marking him out as a possible dominating leader of the future. Oh yeah, and he's English.

And Yaya toure or more realistically:
Centre-Midfield
Name: Lorik Cana
Club: Olympique Marseille
Expected value: £10-15 million
Pros: This tough-tackling, hard-working CM is the perfect foil to the rest of the Arsenal midfield, and would provide the kind of backbone the Arsenal side have been lacking in recent weeks. Furthermore his familiarity with a francophone environment would remove any 'settling in' problems.

Dunno where you copied that from but anyway, Lorik Cana is a great player, he always stands out for me when he plays for Marseille.

[Meyyappan]

Dunno where you copied that from but anyway, Lorik Cana is a great player, he always stands out for me when he plays for Marseille.

You idiot always blaming me for coping instead of taking up the dabate or giving opinions.:fplm:

[pistolpete]

I wathced Valencia at the weekend, and David Villa was excellent, his movement was opening up oppertunities accross the front line and it struck me how little movement we have up front. Playing Ade because he is good in the air is all well and god but the ball needs to go in to him high cause he hasnt got it on the ground.

If only AW wasnt so quick to dismiss speculation aboout Villa in the summer.

Also Cana and Yaya both offer height and would protect the defence a little.

If we are going with 2 attacking midfielders i would rather see Ramsey starting than Denilson who seems to think 3 seconds slower than the rest of them.

[CaptainCabinet]

You idiot always blaming me for coping instead of taking up the dabate or giving opinions.:fplm:

Did he not just give his opinions? :rolleyes:

I thought your club have no money, as has been publicised, anyway.

[mufcsean]

You idiot always blaming me for coping instead of taking up the dabate or giving opinions.:fplm:

I know full well you didn't write that yourself, here's why.

1. No spelling mistakes.
2. Too many big words like Furthermore.
3. Perfect English
4. It wasn't a bad point

Also, i did give my opinion on Cana, you sir, no boy, are the idiot.

[Meyyappan]

I know full well you didn't write that yourself, here's why.

1. No spelling mistakes.
2. Too many big words like Furthermore.
3. Perfect English
4. It wasn't a bad point

Also, i did give my opinion on Cana, you sir, no boy, are the idiot.

Yes,you are right but if these articles mean the same thing as me then why not post it as it has been more elaborated.I was thinking of Wheater for a while since Bishop mentioned him.

And you do have a cerebrum.

[mufcsean]

:fplm: So i was right in the first place, i am obviously not an idiot if i'm right.

Meyappan why do you do it.

[Meyyappan]

because they raise good debate and i have been thinking about us getting a new DM.If you search through the Arsenal pages you will find that i raised the Lorik Cana topic a long while ago comparing him to Roy Keane.

From one blogger who was in match

At the Britannia Stadium, I witnessed an incident that sums up the lack of respect for authority among the current crop of players. We had won a corner, and Kolo wished to go up to challenge for it. However, in order to do so, Toure needed the advancing Alex Song to stay back on the halfway line. Several times Kolo barked the order at Song. The midfielder turned around, heard the man wearing the armband, shook his head, and ignored his request.

If it's true then that little moron must be fined and dropped for some games. Another sad thing to know.

From Skysports:

"I have a few people in mind and Martin's one of them," Adams told The News.

"I've spoken to him and had a quick conversation with Arsene Wenger about Martin. Arsene was thinking about taking him himself.

[nath_scfc]

You look at all the quality modern day centre-half pairings, particularly in England, and you've got that balance of one who can play and carry the ball and the other who is rabid and thunderous. Arsenal seem to lack the latter. Wheater isn't good enough yet, either.

[TheBishop]

Agreed Nath. I do like Wheater and i'm sure he will be a top defender. We need to do what we did with Sol Campbell. We brought him in in the peak of his career and he helped us win 2 league titles and 3 FA Cups. If there's another player similar to Sol in size and strength, and at the peak of a centre backs career (27 years+) we have to find him.

[Viperized]

because they raise good debate and i have been thinking about us getting a new DM.If you search through the Arsenal pages you will find that i raised the Lorik Cana topic a long while ago comparing him to Roy Keane.

From one blogger who was in match



If it's true then that little moron must be fined and dropped for some games. Another sad thing to know.

From Skysports:
What a cunt.

[TheBishop]

Bischoff looked good tonight for the reserves.

http://www.arsenal.com/match-menu/3020286/reserves/arsenal-res-v-fulham-res?tab=report

Hopefully get another look at him in the Carling Cup perhaps.

[ThierryHenry14]

Seeing as Adebayor,Walcott and Sagna are likely too miss the next 2 games, what would your starting 11 be?

---------------Almunia-----------------

---Silvestre---Toure---Gallas---Clichy--

--Eboue---Fabregas---Diaby---Nasri----

--------Bendtner---------RVP----------

[Viperized]

Replace Bendtner with Vela and you're good to go.

[mufcsean]

Van Persie will be out as well through Suspension for next weekend, not the Champions league game.

Also, isn't Gallas injured?

[TheBishop]

I've read Sagna might be available.

Looks negative, but i'd pick this team against man utd:

----------------------Almunia----------------------
Sagna (if available)-----Toure--------Gallas---Clichy
Nasri----------Fabregas--------Song------V.Persie-
-------------------------Diaby------------------
-----------------------Bendtner------------------

I'd like to see Vela given a chance soon but against Utd might be too big a game for him at present.

Van Persie got a straight red, meaning he'll be available for one game, then out for 3.

[ThierryHenry14]

---------------Almunia-----------------

---Silvestre---Toure--Djourou----Clichy--

--Eboue---Fabregas---Diaby---Nasri----

--------Bendtner/Vela---------RVP----------

[Viperized]

I've read Sagna might be available.

Looks negative, but i'd pick this team against man utd:

----------------------Almunia----------------------
Sagna (if available)-----Toure--------Gallas---Clichy
Nasri----------Fabregas--------Song------V.Persie-
-------------------------Diaby------------------
-----------------------Bendtner------------------

I'd like to see Vela given a chance soon but against Utd might be too big a game for him at present.

Van Persie got a straight red, meaning he'll be available for one game, then out for 3.
Are you sure Van Persie will be available to play against Man United?

If yes, woah, awesome news.

Our current best 11:
Almunia
Sagna
Toure
Gallas
Clichy
Walcott
Cesc
Denilson
Nasri
Adebayor
Van Persie

I really do hope there is a small chance that the likes of Sagna, Theo and Adebayor only miss the Fenerbache game and not the United match. Adebayor has always played well against United and can cause a few problems.

If no Adebayor, I would love to see Vela starting. But clearly that'll never happen, especially after seeing Bendtner's horrific performance against Stoke.

[TheBishop]

That's what usually happens when someone gets a straight red, there not suspended straight away.

Sagna looks hopeful but Theo and Adebayor don't look like making it.

At least to lift the gloom, Eduardo will be back in training in 2-3 weeks.:wub:

[mufcsean]

That's what usually happens when someone gets a straight red, there not suspended straight away.

Sagna looks hopeful but Theo and Adebayor don't look like making it.

At least to lift the gloom, Eduardo will be back in training in 2-3 weeks.:wub:

You sure because i was listening to the game on the radio and the commentator said it was really silly what he had done, and would miss the big match next weekend. His words not mine

[Guillermo]

You sure because i was listening to the game on the radio and the commentator said it was really silly what he had done, and would miss the big match next weekend. His words not mine

Also mentioned it on MOTD, but I've learned not to trust BBC as they've got things wrong so many times. :fplm:

[Viperized]

That's what usually happens when someone gets a straight red, there not suspended straight away.

Sagna looks hopeful but Theo and Adebayor don't look like making it.

At least to lift the gloom, Eduardo will be back in training in 2-3 weeks.:wub:
For the United game? We're fucked then.

If Theo is out, the best possible midfield is probably:
Denilson
Cesc
Diaby
Nasri


We lack so much depth is fucking unbelievable. We have NO options on the wings. Theo and Nasri and that's about it.

[Calzone]

Rosicky injured or no longer with the team?

[Viperized]

Both. :/

[mufcsean]

Still injured

[TheBishop]

I remember Vieira getting sent off on the opening day 1 season, then playing the 2nd game, and getting sent off again!

I'm pretty sure he will be allowed to play.

Some Champions League news, Alex got injured in Fenerbahce's game during the weekend and looks likely to miss the game on Wednesday.

[Viperized]

http://www.onlinegooner.com/editorial/index.php?id=131

Good read. Agree 100%.

[TheBishop]

http://www.onlinegooner.com/editorial/index.php?id=131

Good read. Agree 100%.

Yeah do agree with a lot of that. We'll find out in January what Wenger is truly thinking.

[Viperized]

Arseblog.com have also got another good read.

The Alex Song thing is probably true too. His arrogance was pretty evident against Spurs. He's a fucking idiot and should be dropped -- not sure why he is even starting in the first place. He has never looked like first team quality. Diaby and Denilson are infinitely better than him. He hasn't won anything at the club and hasn't looked like to do so, and yet has the cheek to completely ignore his captain.

[ThierryHenry14]

Diaby and Fabregas should be our 2 CM.

[TheBishop]

If it is true, then yes he should be dropped. I actually think he's improved quite a bit over the last year, but i think Diaby especially has got more to offer.

Wenger surely bought Diaby as his Vieria Version 2, and nows the time to see what he can really do. As i've said previously, i have every confidence in his ability.

[Viperized]

If it is true, then yes he should be dropped. I actually think he's improved quite a bit over the last year, but i think Diaby especially has got more to offer.

Wenger surely bought Diaby as his Vieria Version 2, and nows the time to see what he can really do. As i've said previously, i have every confidence in his ability.
j'nuh: I was in Brazil at the time but i actually overheard Song also say that he thought Wenger was a 'Knobjockey.'
Further evidence that Song is a wanker.

[TheBishop]

Further evidence that Song is a wanker.

Now that i don't believe.

I don't think or can imagine Song even knowing or Saying the word 'knobjockey' :chanlaugh:

[Jonny2J]

http://i38.tinypic.com/2hx6lmr.jpg

:lol:

[mufcsean]

:chanlaugh: What the fuck

[Singey]

Photoshop time!

[Meyyappan]

I've read Sagna might be available.

Looks negative, but i'd pick this team against man utd:

----------------------Almunia----------------------
Sagna (if available)-----Toure--------Gallas---Clichy
Nasri----------Fabregas--------Song------V.Persie-
-------------------------Diaby------------------
-----------------------Bendtner------------------

I'd like to see Vela given a chance soon but against Utd might be too big a game for him at present.

Van Persie got a straight red, meaning he'll be available for one game, then out for 3.

Well the Toffes unleashed Shrek on us some years ago so why not unleash the Vela on them.Hopefully you are right can you please confirm the rvp thing.

[TheBishop]

I can confirm he will be suspended. If the club had decided to appeal the red card, he would of been available, but Arsenal have decided not to. Fuck :(

[AgentZero]

i know it sounds ironic but rightly so. I dislike it when clubs appeal for deliberate fouls.
Also Rooney and Vela are completely different players.

[Meyyappan]

Well then we shall unleash the true potential of EE25 (just keep guessing)

[I.N Extasy]

Well then we shall unleash the true potential of EE25 (just keep guessing)

:lol:

[mufcsean]

Emmanuel Adebayor is 25
Emmanuel Eboué is 27

if thats what you were trying to do

[Meyyappan]

Exactement,i am getting pretty desperate and i don not like the way people are talking about Arsene Wenger.

But then again why do we not try something crazy like:

Djourou is down in the pecking order at centre back so he can play him in the midfield for tomorrow.He gets hyper-motivated knowing CMF is up for the grabs and runs around like the tasmanian we need and Cesc finds freedom again thus slashes united..........

Or why dont all our players wear chech helmets,that will add some inches to the whole team Arsene Knows............

I can confirm he will be suspended. If the club had decided to appeal the red card, he would of been available, but Arsenal have decided not to. Fuck

Well a manager like Mourinho would have done it regardless of being successful with the appeal he would have wanted to get him for this game,Wenger has class.

[Meyyappan]

Now, Faye and Sorensen may be perfectly accurate when they say Arsenal lack a hard man or a spine, but to assume this means that Arsenal are made up of cowards, while Stoke are made of brave warriors, is nonsense. The opposite may in fact be true.

This is Wenger's response:

“When you speak about listening to things, I read about my team not being brave...

"I tell you they are brave. For me, you need to have more courage to play football when you know someone’s tackling you from behind without any intention to play the ball, with only one intention to hurt you and I can show you some tackles where I can prove what I say.

“The one who is tackling is not the brave one, for me the brave one is the one trying to play football.

“It happened at the weekend. Do you really feel that Delap tried to play the ball when he tackled Walcott or that Shawcross tried to play the ball when he tackled Adebayor off the pitch. All the players have been injured deliberately.

“To say that Walcott is not brave and the brave one is the player who tackles Walcott from behind, it’s just not true.

“It is something that I want to establish. The brave one is not the one who tackles from behind the player who tries to play football. That’s the coward.

“When you question the courage of my team, I’m sorry it’s not true. The team that tries to play football and respect the rules is for me the brave one.”

[Meyyappan]

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger is optimistic William Gallas and Theo Walcott will be fit for this weekend's showdown with Manchester United.

The duo, along with Emmanuel Adebayor, are set to miss Wednesday's UEFA Champions League clash with Fenerbahce as they struggle to shake off knocks.

Gallas missed the defeat at Stoke due to injury, while Walcott and Adebayor both picked up knocks at the Britannia Stadium.

All three missed training on Tuesday, but Bacary Sagna, who suffered a thigh injury at the weekend, was able to take part in training.

Walcott was stretchered off after landing awkwardly on his shoulder, while Adebayor sustained an Achilles injury.

Wenger is unsure about the full extent of Adebayor's injury, but is confident Walcott and Gallas will return for the visit of United to Emirates Stadium.

"Gallas and Walcott are short term, Adebayor is a little longer, Eboue as well," Wenger said at a press conference on Tuesday.

"Gallas and especially Walcott (should have a chance to face United)."

[ThierryHenry14]

:fplm: you're going to get booked for triple post.

[Billy Minof]

:fplm: you're going to get booked for triple post.

:spank:

[mufcsean]

:lol: At least now he won't be able to make any more threads

[nath_scfc]

Now, Faye and Sorensen may be perfectly accurate when they say Arsenal lack a hard man or a spine, but to assume this means that Arsenal are made up of cowards, while Stoke are made of brave warriors, is nonsense. The opposite may in fact be true.

This is Wenger's response:

“When you speak about listening to things, I read about my team not being brave...

"I tell you they are brave. For me, you need to have more courage to play football when you know someone’s tackling you from behind without any intention to play the ball, with only one intention to hurt you and I can show you some tackles where I can prove what I say.

“The one who is tackling is not the brave one, for me the brave one is the one trying to play football.

“It happened at the weekend. Do you really feel that Delap tried to play the ball when he tackled Walcott or that Shawcross tried to play the ball when he tackled Adebayor off the pitch. All the players have been injured deliberately.

“To say that Walcott is not brave and the brave one is the player who tackles Walcott from behind, it’s just not true.

“It is something that I want to establish. The brave one is not the one who tackles from behind the player who tries to play football. That’s the coward.

“When you question the courage of my team, I’m sorry it’s not true. The team that tries to play football and respect the rules is for me the brave one.”

Respecting the rules? By elbowing a keeper in the face? Sounds about right.

Shawcross' tackle wasn't the best. But then again, neither was Adebayor's in him, nor when he elbowed Faye in the first half.

As for the Delap one. It's a sensible foul to give a away. He's shouldn't have gone to ground, but the foul itself is one worth giving away. Had he let Walcott continue in a position we were exposed then a penalty, red, or goal could've been given away. Plus, it wasn't the foul what injured him, it was the landing.

Sagna's was little more than a coming together - we were stronger in that tackle. There's nothing wrong with that. As for Eduardo, Jesus H Christ, you're still going on about that?! It's in the past, and it was nowhere near the tackle it's been made out to be.

Stoke had eleven men queueing up to be heroes; Arsenal had eleven men queueing to be subbed. Arsenal lacked battle and spirit. Case in-point, Fabregas' first corner.

[Bammers05]

Well then we shall unleash the true potential of EE25 (just keep guessing)

:fplm::fplm::fplm::fplm::fplm: :fplm:

[TheBishop]

Whilst i would say teams have gone in to games to kick Arsenal off the park, i didn't see anything from Stoke to suggest they were using that tactic. Unfortunately, Wenger coming out with this just shows how desperate things are at the moment.

Walcott got injured more by the way he landed, not Delap's tackle. As for Eduardo's injury, i don't really want to go into that as his comeback is about to happen and it's one thing i'm looking forward to in Arsenal's season so far.

[Meyyappan]

Alumunia,Gallas,Toure,Clichy,S agna(if unfit EE27),Djourou,Cesc,Walcott(Hop eful),Nasri

And Vela and Bendtner(who seems to have great partnership with anyone even Ade)

[Dundon's]

Can the angry mob stop undermining our team and start worrying about themselves please. This is getting ridiculous and borning, we have a well proven manager and a squad of full internationals. Aside from that we play sublime football and can turn anyone over on our day.

If we qualify tonight with a good performance and follow it up by turning over utd on the weekend our season will be back on track, as bad as we're doing we're still only 6 points off the top.

Final note, I agree we could do with a couple of experienced quality players but right now we can't do anything about that so there's really no point in all this shit that's flying around about Wenger, I think the man is smart enough to recognize that a few of the players he held faith in left him down so far and haven't preformed to full expectation.

P.S. Us gunners need to get behind the club and manager right now, if Wenger leaves so will most of the squad, is that what we want? Cop on.

[mufcsean]

Whilst i would say teams have gone in to games to kick Arsenal off the park, i didn't see anything from Stoke to suggest they were using that tactic. Unfortunately, Wenger coming out with this just shows how desperate things are at the moment.

Walcott got injured more by the way he landed, not Delap's tackle. As for Eduardo's injury, i don't really want to go into that as his comeback is about to happen and it's one thing i'm looking forward to in Arsenal's season so far.

Arsenal have never done that though have they :rolleyes:

I seem to remember a certain FA Cup match against us where you were losing quite heavily and your players repeatedly took out Nani and others.

And going a lot further back, the likes of Keown, Winterburn, Vieira Parlour used to do it all the time

[Dundon's]

And going a lot further back, the likes of Keown, Winterburn, Vieira Parlour used to do it all the time

Orely??

Are you sure you're not getting deliberate fouling mixed up with passionate defending?

[TheBishop]

Arsenal have never done that though have they :rolleyes:

I seem to remember a certain FA Cup match against us where you were losing quite heavily and your players repeatedly took out Nani and others.

And going a lot further back, the likes of Keown, Winterburn, Vieira Parlour used to do it all the time

I do agree about Nani but that was more down to us getting thrashed and being completely outplayed which led to stupid frustration, it wasn't part of the pre-game plan to do it.

I'm not saying Arsenal are the only team to recieve such treatment, i'm sure Ronaldo is targeted by clubs quite a bit.

[Dundon's]

I'm not saying Arsenal are the only team to recieve such treatment, i'm sure Ronaldo is targeted by clubs quite a bit.

As good as he is Ronaldo is a diving cheater, I have no sympathy for him what so ever.

[mufcsean]

Orely??

Are you sure you're not getting deliberate fouling mixed up with passionate defending?

No i'm pretty sure they were dirty bastards :lol:

[Bammers05]

Can the angry mob stop undermining our team and start worrying about themselves please. This is getting ridiculous and borning, we have a well proven manager and a squad of full internationals. Aside from that we play sublime football and can turn anyone over on our day.

If we qualify tonight with a good performance and follow it up by turning over utd on the weekend our season will be back on track, as bad as we're doing we're still only 6 points off the top.

Final note, I agree we could do with a couple of experienced quality players but right now we can't do anything about that so there's really no point in all this shit that's flying around about Wenger, I think the man is smart enough to recognize that a few of the players he held faith in left him down so far and haven't preformed to full expectation.

P.S. Us gunners need to get behind the club and manager right now, if Wenger leaves so will most of the squad, is that what we want? Cop on.

Quoted in agreement. Great post. There's been a lot of negativity from us Arsenal fans recently and, while I agree that some recent performances haven't been great, we should get behind the team rather than moaning.

[TheBishop]

Shall we throw in Roy Keane's attempted leg break on Haaland into this debate? :ninja:

[mufcsean]

Yeah he was a dirty fucker an'all.

Anyway sorry for going on, good luck for tomorrow

[Dundon's]

Nice one fella, we'll see you lot on the weekend. :ninja:

[mufcsean]

This is the best game out of all the "big 4" clashes.

I can never make my mind up on how i feel about the game though, yesterday i was extremely confident, now i'm shitting it as we can't afford to lose, but neither can you so no matter who plays for you i can see it being a strong performance

[TheBishop]

No probs, but i got a feeling Celtic might sneak a draw. :erm:

[Dundon's]

This is the best game out of all the "big 4" clashes.

I can never make my mind up on how i feel about the game though, yesterday i was extremely confident, now i'm shitting it as we can't afford to lose, but neither can you so no matter who plays for you i can see it being a strong performance


To be totally honest I'd be happy right now just not to loose the game, if we suffer a bad defeat it could really end our title chances in more ways than one. That said it's football and anything can happen.

There's talks Theo might be fit.

[TheBishop]

To be totally honest I'd be happy right now just not to loose the game, if we suffer a bad defeat it could really end our title chances in more ways than one. That said it's football and anything can happen.

There's talks Theo might be fit.

Yeah, Sagna trained today and Wenger said Gallas and Theo are short term and could make the Man U game, but Adebayor is expected to be out for longer, as is Eboue.

I'd probably take a draw but i'm hoping to see a good performance more than anything.

[mufcsean]

Unless Theo starts on your left and Rafael is our right back i am not worried.

I seriously hope Adebayor is out as he always scores against us. I'm not sure if there is a way of finding out but i bet if somebody could find out who he has scored all his goals against, i bet we would be top of the list. Gallas always does well against us aswell.

[Viperized]

i know it sounds ironic but rightly so. I dislike it when clubs appeal for deliberate fouls.
Also Rooney and Vela are completely different players.
In what way? If you are talking about natural ability, then you are completely and utterly wrong.

Vela is class.

[pistolpete]

Unless Theo starts on your left and Rafael is our right back i am not worried.

I seriously hope Adebayor is out as he always scores against us. I'm not sure if there is a way of finding out but i bet if somebody could find out who he has scored all his goals against, i bet we would be top of the list. Gallas always does well against us aswell.

He scored 6 against Derby last season.

He has actually scored 2 goals against ManUtd, at Old Trafford at the start of the 06/07 season, and the 'punched in' goal at OT last season

[mufcsean]

I don't just mean last season, i mean as a whole

[Meyyappan]

Respecting the rules? By elbowing a keeper in the face? Sounds about right.

Shawcross' tackle wasn't the best. But then again, neither was Adebayor's in him, nor when he elbowed Faye in the first half.

As for the Delap one. It's a sensible foul to give a away. He's shouldn't have gone to ground, but the foul itself is one worth giving away. Had he let Walcott continue in a position we were exposed then a penalty, red, or goal could've been given away. Plus, it wasn't the foul what injured him, it was the landing.

Sagna's was little more than a coming together - we were stronger in that tackle. There's nothing wrong with that. As for Eduardo, Jesus H Christ, you're still going on about that?! It's in the past, and it was nowhere near the tackle it's been made out to be.

Stoke had eleven men queueing up to be heroes; Arsenal had eleven men queueing to be subbed. Arsenal lacked battle and spirit. Case in-point, Fabregas' first corner.

It was only wenger's response to his team being called cowards

"I read that my team were not brave," he said.

[nath_scfc]

It was only wenger's response to his team being called cowards

And that was my response to the sour, disrespectful, ill-founded bollocks that Wenger was spouting, again. Just out of interest, who was he responding to: Sorensen, Gallas or the global media, all of whom felt his team were lacking in that extra bit of battle?

EDIT: Pulis' response:

Stoke City manager Tony Pulis responds to Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger's comments about Rory Delap and Ryan Shawcross.

"Most managers up and down the country are very protective of their football clubs and that protection is usually at its height in 'after-game interviews', where we defend our team's performances and our players' mistakes in every way possible – from blaming referees not seeing players' indiscretions and so on. We have every angle covered.

In Stoke-on-Trent on Saturday evening, Mr Wenger talked openly about Arsenal's encounter with Stoke, as being a 'typical English encounter'.
He commended my team's organisation, my team's commitment and confessed that, on the day, Stoke City thoroughly deserved to win the game. Very open and very honest.

Over the weekend Arsenal have been criticised by the media over their commitment to not only our game, but also previous games they have been involved in.

In London, 48 hours later, and 150 miles away from Stoke-on-Trent, Mr Wenger changed tact and has tried to rewrite history.

His comments about my team are there for everybody to read and certainly made me smile, along with I'm sure 27,000 supporters at the game and millions of TV viewers and the massed press who interviewed him after the game.

Remember, there was only one red card on Saturday and the last time I watched the game it certainly was not a Stoke City player who received it.
As for Rory Delap's challenges on Walcott and Sanga – Rory is as honest and committed as they come, they were free-kicks, but Rory would never purposely go out to injure a fellow professional – it's just not in Rory's nature.

Don't forget not so long ago Rory was sitting in a hospital bed with a double fracture.

Further, as I recall the game, Adebayor was booked for a chest-high challenge on Ryan Shawcross.

I and my football club have tremendous respect for Mr Wenger and Arsenal Football Club, but as Mr Wenger is such a learned professional and on a great day in American electoral history, I would like to remind him of Lincoln's great quotation: "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time."

Source. (http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/panels/Stoke-City-Tony-Pulis-responds-Arsene-Wenger-criticism/article-451688-detail/article.html)

Have that you cheese-sniffing, beret-wearing, baguette-baking, garlic-muching surrender monkey.

[Meyyappan]

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[My Time]

I'm sorry but the Delap challenge was not from behind and the ball was there to be won, Theo was just too quick for him. It was not a deliberate foul in my opinion, and as a couple of people have already mentioned, the landing was what caused the injury.

[CaptainCabinet]

Source. (http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/panels/Stoke-City-Tony-Pulis-responds-Arsene-Wenger-criticism/article-451688-detail/article.html)

Have that you cheese-sniffing, beret-wearing, baguette-baking, garlic-muching surrender monkey.

:chanlaugh: :chanlaugh: :chanlaugh:

[mufcsean]

Adebayor out for 3 weeks

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iVqbY_URSS-C6heONvDEDd31FDTg

[DJ Clue]

His going to miss the next three match and maybe the game with Chelski.

[TheBishop]

Team to play Fenerbahce: Fabianski, Toure, Djourou, Silvestre, Clichy, Ramsey, Fabregas, Denilson, Nasri, Van Persie, Bendtner

Subs: Mannone, Diaby, Sagna, Vela, Song, Wilshere, Gibbs

Almunia is ill, not dropped, apparently. Interested to see how Fabianski, Djourou and Ramsey play.

[uA - 1905]

10-0 please

[vanNistelrooy]

10-0 against Turkey's best club?

Don't be daft :lol:

[uA - 1905]

10-0 against Turkey's best club?

Don't be daft :lol:

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[TheBishop]

Poor result, poor performance. Bendtner, Nasri and Fabregas were dreadful. Van Persie played well, and Toure was our best attacker. Luckily, this result shouldn't stop us from qualifying. No confidence in the team at all at the moment.

[uA - 1905]

Poor result, poor performance. Bendtner, Nasri and Fabregas were dreadful. Van Persie played well, and Toure was our best attacker. Luckily, this result shouldn't stop us from qualifying. No confidence in the team at all at the moment.

Spot on. Is Bendtner really a footballer? He wasn't convincing at all.

[TheBishop]

Spot on. Is Bendtner really a footballer? He wasn't convincing at all.

I've said it before mate, One game he looks strong and elegant, the next he looks like an oath. I lost count the amount of passes he gave away tonight.

[ThierryHenry14]

How did Vela play?

[TheBishop]

Played for about 30 mins, couldn't get into the game.

[Viperized]

Spot on. Is Bendtner really a footballer? He wasn't convincing at all.
He has hardly played well for Arsenal this season.

This team is going to get crushed by Utd on Saturday.

[mufcsean]

I wouldn't be too sure Viperized, we've not played well in ages now

[TheBishop]

Yeah but you've got far better attacking options than us. Our defence is gonna have to have a blinder.

[AgentZero]

i sense that former spurs old boys carrick and berba will play well...wonder if Mikael will start for you lot alongside Gallas..IMO a little experiance at the back could be what may frustrate our attackers.

[TheBishop]

That's if Gallas plays, still recovering from hamstring injury. I don't know which centre back pairing i'd prefer. :erm:

EDIT Silvestre may be out anyway, Semih smashed his nose in.

[AgentZero]

ouch!...i guess his alienhead is quite a rather larget target.

[wrathchild_uk]

I dont think Arsenal's last two performances will have any reflection on sats game, you guys will no doubt up your game on sat..just wondering though will Van Persie be suspended?

[mufcsean]

Yes, van persie is out

[Viperized]

Yeah but you've got far better attacking options than us. Our defence is gonna have to have a blinder.
It's not the defence I'm worried about. I actually think they might step it up. It's just Almunia. You just know he is going to let in two soft goals. He has let in a soft goal almost every game. And his decision making can be horrendous!

[mufcsean]

How did Fabianski do tonight?

[TheBishop]

He made one bad decision when he should of come out but apart from that, he didn't touch the ball.

[Dundon's]

He made one bad decision when he should of come out but apart from that, he didn't touch the ball.

I was thinking the same thing until I thought about it more, what would of been the story if he got caught out in the middle of nowhere?, the way he handled it seemed to work out considering the forward was heading away from goal.

Fabs interview about the players needing a big game was encouraging. A victory over Utd with all the hate press we're receiving could ignite our season.

[DJ Clue]

Saturday is a worrying day for us Gunners.

[wrathchild_uk]

I don't think so as recent form probably doesn't mean much, if you remember 2 years ago when Utd were playing well and Arsenal werent they ended up winning 1 - 0 at Old Trafford..i think its anyones game on sat.

[DJ Clue]

Time will tell.

[TheBishop]

Fabs interview about the players needing a big game was encouraging. A victory over Utd with all the hate press we're receiving could ignite our season.

Exactly what i'm thinking. It might even be good to go into a game where were the underdogs.

[Meyyappan]

When ever we were underdogs we have most of the time won.I am not meaning favourites but underdogs=Inter Milan,AC Milan,Juventus just missing Barca.

[Meyyappan]

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[DJ Clue]

Silvestre? What happened to him?

[Rossy Boy]

Elbow to the face

[DJ Clue]

Ouch!

Is he going to miss Saturdays match?

[Meyyappan]

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[CaptainCabinet]

What the fuck is with all the pictures?

[Phil W.A.F.C]

meyyapan get a life. Your posting pictures of Walcott being carried off on a stretcher, why? Nothing else better to post than them stupid pictures?

[TheBishop]

Arsène Wenger has many major decisions to make on injured players before Saturday’s massive clash with Manchester United at Emirates Stadium.

Speaking to Arsenal TV Online on Thursday afternoon, the manager confirmed Mikael Silvestre did break his nose in the goalless draw with Fenerbahce the previous evening. The 31-year-old defender is still likely to be available against his old side but Wenger suggested it may be “a gamble”.

Goalkeeper Manuel Almunia is over his sickness and trained today. However Bacary Sagna sat out the session. The right back injured his ankle at Stoke on Saturday but was named on the bench in the Champions League tie. He did not come on and his fitness for Saturday was still “a slight concern” for Wenger.

It seems the injuries to Theo Walcott (shoulder) and William Gallas (hamstring) are bigger issues. Both are only rated as 50:50 to feature and Wenger will not be able to make a decision until after Friday’s session. Emmanuel Adebayor (ankle) and Emmanuel Eboue (knee) are definitely out while Robin van Persie is suspended.

“Mikael has a broken nose with an open wound on the side,” said Wenger.

“Basically he should be capable of playing. But in the next 48 hours I will have to decide what we do. You cannot rule him out and I feel he can play. But I have to decide whether I go for the gamble or not.

“We will not know about Walcott and Gallas before tomorrow afternoon. It is 50:50 for both.

“But Manuel Almunia was back in training today so he will be available.

“As for Sagna, there was a gamble on him that I did not want to take [last night]. We could not take it today in training either. He still needed to be out of impact work.

“I think he should be OK for Saturday but there is still a slight concern.”

:erm:

[ThierryHenry14]

I don't see how a broken nose can stop footballers from playing football.

Where's :fplm: when I need it :(

[TheBishop]

:faceplm:

[Viperized]

I blame Wenger; this is exactly what you get when you run in the season with an incredibly weak squad.

Just about every pundit has mentioned this and so have other managers, such as Mourinho.

[mufcsean]

Meyappan, i hate you.

Is Silvestre out for Saturday?

[Viperized]

Nope. Wenger is probably going to play him.

[vanNistelrooy]

I swear I heard somewhere that a someone close to the club said Arsene is contemplating walking away from the club.

Am I the only one I heard something along those lines?

[TheBishop]

Wenger always honours his contracts so i can't imagine that happening at all.

[Gooner10]

I reckon he's taken too long building this team to walk away

I only hope we buy some experience in January, if not just for back-up. This was always going to be a problem when we lose some players, we have no depth in squad

[Dragonfly]

I think he wants to win the Champions League before he leaves. But, I think if he feels he won't win it, he'll leave early, but not necessarily before the end of his contract.

Anyway, I'm not panicking. I just think we need either a defensive midfielder or move Toure forward and get a proper big, ugly, out-and-out centre-back.

[Keyser Soze]

Time will tell.
Have you ever posted more than, like, five words?

Anyway, I'm not panicking. I just think we need either a defensive midfielder or move Toure forward and get a proper big, ugly, out-and-out centre-back.
To be honest, I think you need both; aswell as a goal-keeper.

[Dundon's]

They say young Senderos is playing a stormer for AC. :ninja:

[Dragonfly]

To be honest, I think you need both; aswell as a goal-keeper.

I'd like both, but I can't see it happening.

[Meyyappan]

Meyappan, i hate you.

Is Silvestre out for Saturday?

And why is that?

[Meyyappan]

From BBC,this guy who said nothing can be won with kids always predicted slip-ups for us during last season as if he hated us,now this year though he maintains we wont win the title he has not predicted one loss and this is the first draw,remarkable.
Arsenal v Man Utd

I was very surprised by Arsene Wenger's comments after the loss at Stoke and I think he is trying to take the pressure off his side.

I just thought Stoke were the better team and wanted it more, but Wenger's actions will have created a kind of siege mentality in the Arsenal dressing room. The problem is they are missing a few players.

On the other hand, Manchester United got to rest Dimitar Berbatov and Wayne Rooney in midweek. But with both teams not really being able to afford to lose I suspect this is unlikely to be a classic and I am predicting a bit of a stalemate.

Verdict: 1-1

[mufcsean]

And why is that?

1. Your level of stupidity knows no bounds
2. You constantly post shit, why the fuck post pictures of the Arsenal training, and of Walcott getting injured, nobody wants to see that man.
3. You constantly copy and paste things from the internet and try taking them as your own comments.
4. You constantly double post and get away with it, which really gets on my tits as the last time, and only time, i did it i got booked, and that was in the bloody spam thread.

Anyway back to Arsenal. Heard Keown rejected a coaching job for Pompy, and now they want Bergkamp to take a role there, surely he could be doing something for Arsenal, the man is a legend.

[Guillermo]

From BBC,this guy who said nothing can be won with kids always predicted slip-ups for us during last season as if he hated us,now this year though he maintains we wont win the title he has not predicted one loss and this is the first draw,remarkable.

Hansen said "you don't win anything with kids", but Lawro does the score predictions on the BBC website.

[TheBishop]

Anyway back to Arsenal. Heard Keown rejected a coaching job for Pompy, and now they want Bergkamp to take a role there, surely he could be doing something for Arsenal, the man is a legend.

The last i saw, Adams said Bergkamp wouldn't be joining them. He's surely going to join Arsenal, just a matter of when.

Not sure if Senderos is now going to play regularly for Milan, but if he does play well and impresses, i'd think Wenger would want him back. Hopefully playing a season in Italy can make him more defensively savvy.

[Top Gun]

Bergkamp was a coach at Ajax last I heard.

[Viperized]

I hear Martin Keown may return to Arsenal to help out as a defence coach again. I believe he was helping out in 05/06. Could be wrong though.

I think he wants to win the Champions League before he leaves. But, I think if he feels he won't win it, he'll leave early, but not necessarily before the end of his contract.

Anyway, I'm not panicking. I just think we need either a defensive midfielder or move Toure forward and get a proper big, ugly, out-and-out centre-back.
You've forgotten the most OBVIOUS choice - a winger/attacking midfielder to play out wide with the ability to score goals.

[Dragonfly]

You've forgotten the most OBVIOUS choice - a winger/attacking midfielder to play out wide with the ability to score goals.

It's not going to happen. One of our wings will have that sort of player - Walcott for now - and the other will have a more inward facing "winger"/attacking midfielder (Nasri). I think that's how it's always been with Wenger.

[Viperized]

It's not going to happen. One of our wings will have that sort of player - Walcott for now - and the other will have a more inward facing "winger"/attacking midfielder (Nasri). I think that's how it's always been with Wenger.
And then no one after that.

Any one else who steps in that position from our squad is mediocre for that role.

It's an obvious weakness which has not been addressed. Having two mediocre players on the wings hurts us bad.

[ThierryHenry14]

I would say Nasri is a little more than a medicore player tbh.

[TheBishop]

We do have Rosicky still to come in..........eventually. He popped up with quite a few goals last season before the injury. When He and Eduardo are back, suddenly our attacking options look quite strong. Problem is we'll probably be too far behind the leaders by then.

I'd be happy to see Keown as defensive coach. Lets face it, can't really get much worse.

[DJ Clue]

Tomorrow game kick off 12.45 or 5.15?

Anyone know how the starting going to look like.

[TheBishop]

Tomorrow game kick off 12.45 or 5.15?

Anyone know how the starting going to look like.

12:45

I would guess the team might be something like:

-------------------Almunia-------------------------
Sagna------------Toure----Gallas/Silvestre-----Clichy
Walcott/Denilson----Fabregas-----Song--------Nasri---
------------------------Diaby------------------------
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----------------------Bendtner-----------------------

[DJ Clue]

Our Attacking doesn't look good for us.

[wrathchild_uk]

You don't think Vela will start then?

[TheBishop]

I can't see Wenger going 4-4-2 tomorrow. A formation similar to the one we played away against Fenerbahce may work.

[Dundon's]

It's one game and anything can happen, I'm rather looking forward to it now regardless, if we had of been playing away from home on the other hand.....

[Dragonfly]

It's one game and anything can happen, I'm rather looking forward to it now regardless, if we had of been playing away from home on the other hand.....

I'd be less nervous if we were playing away.

[AgentZero]

good luck lads...i know im shitting bricks

[Dragonfly]

I'm shitting houses mate. Good luck.

[Viperized]

I would say Nasri is a little more than a medicore player tbh.
I didn't say he is. He is infact our best player who can play out wide (excluding Rosicky). I'd say he is far better than Walcott too.

Anyhow, starting Song in midfield would be the worst possible idea ever. He is a lazy cunt and hardly looks like he cares how we play.

I would like to see Vela and Bendtner up front. We need at least two competent finishers.

[somegooner]

Anyhow, starting Song in midfield would be the worst possible idea ever. He is a lazy cunt and hardly looks like he cares how we play.


Well Gilberto wasn't exactly a workhorse.

[Viperized]

Team:

Almunia, Sagna, Gallas, Silvestre, Clichy, Walcott, Fabregas, Denilson, Nasri, Diaby, Bendtner.

Okay team, except we're lacking firepower upfront.

Vela and Bendtner would've been better.

[somegooner]

No, I think it's fine. Diaby can help upfront and at the back. He's already won a few headers against Vidic and Ferdinand.

[Miggy]

Is Walcott 100% fit?

[wrigh2uk]

^^ he seems it.. I definately don't trust this 1 goal lead though not at all

[Dragonfly]

We'll need to score before we concede, and we will concede. We need to counter better, using Walcott, especially now Evra is booked.

How good is Clichy? :smug:

[Viperized]

No, I think it's fine. Diaby can help upfront and at the back. He's already won a few headers against Vidic and Ferdinand.
Diaby hasn't really done much.

We need to tighten up in defence. Bendtner, Diaby and Theo have looked fairly anonymous in the later periods of the game.

Great we're leading, but Utd have caused us a few problems.

[AgentZero]

that flick was quite cheeky...from now on i hope wayne features more on the right since sagna is booked and i can seea few clumsy tackles from him

[wrigh2uk]

We'll need to score before we concede, and we will concede. We need to counter better, using Walcott, especially now Evra is booked.

How good is Clichy? :smug:

How Clichy managed not to score an own goal has got to be the unsolved mysterys of the year!!!!

[Dragonfly]

Diaby hasn't really done much.

We need to tighten up in defence. Bendtner, Diaby and Theo have looked fairly anonymous in the later periods of the game.

Great we're leading, but Utd have caused us a few problems.

Walcott's been on the ball plenty of times, it's just that he hasn't used it too well. He needs to try to take on Evra more in this next half, but will need support from either Fabregas or Diaby from the centre, to play one-twos off each other, to free up space. Especially because Park will support Evra.

[Miggy]

Walcott has been quite. Clichy and Nasri have been the pick of the bunch.

[wrathchild_uk]

Nasri doesnt seem medicore to me and he seems to bet chipping in with a few goals for you guys unlike Anderson..

[wrigh2uk]

Nasri I Want Your Babies

[Dragonfly]

Excellent!

We can't concede, or we'll fall apart. Come on lads!

[wrigh2uk]

Excellent!

We can't concede, or we'll fall apart. Come on lads!

Seriously we need another

[wrathchild_uk]

Interesting how you guys actually seem to be a better team when you have a few injuries.. :no:

[Dragonfly]

3/4 of our defenders booked. Not good.

[RB14 ARSENAL]

What a goal by Nasri!! C'mon lads!! Keep going!! You can do it!!

[wrigh2uk]

Just abit worried about when Man Utd eventually go 4-3-3 which will happen, just a matter of time

[Guillermo]

Just abit worried about when Man Utd eventually go 4-3-3 which will happen, just a matter of time

We won't score until at least the 91st minute. If we do at all. Just isn't our day.

[somegooner]

Bullshit!

[Dragonfly]

Fuck! On 89 minutes again. There's going to be plenty of injury time because of the Almunia injury.

[ThierryHenry14]

That was an unexpected result.

[Dragonfly]

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/7660/feverpitchda9.jpg

[wrigh2uk]

I cannot describe how tense it was watching the last 6 minutes of injury time.

[Dragonfly]

Nasri was brilliant today.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45187000/jpg/_45187077_nasir416.jpg

[wrigh2uk]

This game has definately not changed my opinion of Bendtner though, only worsened it severly

[RB14 ARSENAL]

Get in there :):) Samir Nasri you legend :D:D What a result. Just shows how much we need Adebayor. However, Bendtner is a waste of space.

That ball from Nasri at the end was sublime and Bendtner just didn't know what to do with the ball once he received it :no:

Nevertheless, an awesome result. Our season is back on track. Arsene should play the same lineup next week because we played great.

[Figо10]

Congrats on a quality win in a brilliant match, the best league game in many months.

Though Cesc's through passes to Walcott was a lil predictable.

But what a difference Nasri made today.

[Nifty1Pound50]

Ronaldo seems to be up to his old tricks, again. When he went down under a bit of pressure from Fabregas and then had that silly grin pasted across his face, knowing full well he'd conned everyone.

Still, when Clichy absolutely skinned him by flicking it over him. :smug:

[Dragonfly]

This game has definately not changed my opinion of Bendtner though, only worsened it severly

I've never been a fan, but I think Wenger was right to have a physical presence ahead of Vela. Unfortunately, Bendtner is all we had available.

[AgentZero]

ku-motherfuckin-dos lads. I see how frustrating Bendtner can be for you lot.

[Figо10]

I've never been a fan, but I think Wenger was right to have a physical presence ahead of Vela. Unfortunately, Bendtner is all we had available.
Would've taken Bendtner off rather than Walcott.

[wrigh2uk]

I've never been a fan, but I think Wenger was right to have a physical presence ahead of Vela. Unfortunately, Bendtner is all we had available.

Oh I definately agree that it physical pressence worked well against Rio and Vidic he made a nuisance of himself up there, just his choices and shooting today were awful. But we still won and i'm not going to pick out of negatives in todays performance, i'll leave that to Viperized ;)

[Nifty1Pound50]

I'm a big fan of Bendtner, although his decision-making is pretty atrocious.

A lot of people forget that he's only 20, which is probably testament to how good his off-the-ball movement is, not to mention his first touch. He's a great target man, but certainly one who needs someone to play with him up-front. He's not got enough in his locker to hold the ball up and release it at the right time to play as a lone striker successfully, I feel.

Granted - today, Bendtner had a little bit of a 'mare. Even so, he was at the heart of a couple of our best chances early on. He's great at finding space in between centre-backs, especially to receive the ball aerially. Unfortunately, today, he kept cocking it up.

We still won't be anywhere near Manchester United or Chelsea in the league this year.

[mufcsean]

Congratulations on the win, you fully deserve it.

Bendtner was dreadful though imo.

[wrathchild_uk]

Who was it who said Nasri's mediocre then?? :rolleyes:

[AgentZero]

I take it the mediocre player got the MOTM. FOr someone who hyped as hell in france he hasn't set anything alight, still rate Hleb better than him.

[wrathchild_uk]

He's still pretty young though so given time he'll probably get even better and remember its only his first season in the prem, he's scored more goals today than Anderson has in almost a year and a half..

[wrigh2uk]

I take it the mediocre player got the MOTM. FOr someone who hyped as hell in france he hasn't set anything alight, still rate Hleb better than him.

If im comparing season to season then Nasri first season has started off alot better than Helbs did. Hlebs first season was MEH at best IMO

[Viperized]

Bendtner was fucking awful. Worst decision making ever. Honestly, he hasn't played well in a single game this season (the only possible exception is the Carling Cup match against Sheffield) and does not look like improving.

10 goals in 30 goals is hardly setting the world alight in the Championship when he was on loan at Birmingham.

But other than that, superb result, and Nasri is fucking brilliant.

[AgentZero]

He's still pretty young though so given time he'll probably get even better and remember its only his first season in the prem, he's scored more goals today than Anderson has in almost a year and a half..
nevermind Nasri..RAFA!!! And for all those that after all this time hes suppose to be the next ronaldinho...hes not weve seen how he play and hes more Emerson/Gilberto than Ronaldinho.

[Viperized]

If im comparing season to season then Nasri first season has started off alot better than Helbs did. Hlebs first season was MEH at best IMO
Plus Nasri has scored many vital goals, including the one on his debut.

[TheBishop]

I was at the game, surely game of the season. Arsenal-Man U games are still the best in the league imo.

Wenger summed it up really, we took our chances, Man U didn't. Couldn't easily been a draw but i just thought we had a bit extra going forward at times. I thought Gallas was awesome today, and Denilson probably had the best game he's had in an Arsenal shirt. Nasri overall performance was great, not just the goals.

Getting a result and performance like that just makes me frutrasted that we've lost stupid points to weaker teams, cos these players must be good enough to win the league on that performance, it's obviously a mental issue.

[pistolpete]

Gallas deserves some credit for today, i thought he was excellent alongside Silvestre.

Bendner didnt offer a lot but i suppose their defenders concerntating on him allowed our midfield to bomb forward.
He will also improve the experience of playing against top class opposition.

Would have been nice to see Vela with 15mins to go, he could have worked the wings to give us more options of keeping the ball high up the pitch.

Very proud of the team today - 3pts against Villa next week would be nice please!

[TheBishop]

Yeah Villa will be a tough game too. Glad the players get a week's rest till they play, can now enjoy watching the youngsters on Tuesday.

[Barry]

I'm a big fan of Bendtner, although his decision-making is pretty atrocious.

A lot of people forget that he's only 20, which is probably testament to how good his off-the-ball movement is, not to mention his first touch. He's a great target man, but certainly one who needs someone to play with him up-front. He's not got enough in his locker to hold the ball up and release it at the right time to play as a lone striker successfully, I feel.

Granted - today, Bendtner had a little bit of a 'mare. Even so, he was at the heart of a couple of our best chances early on. He's great at finding space in between centre-backs, especially to receive the ball aerially. Unfortunately, today, he kept cocking it up.

We still won't be anywhere near Manchester United or Chelsea in the league this year.

He played against us for Denmark a while back, he was incredibly dangerous and I think if given the time, he will an excellent striker. For now he doesn't fit in too well with Arsenal's style of play, but all in due time.

[Bammers05]

:D What a result!

[Viperized]

Gallas deserves some credit for today, i thought he was excellent alongside Silvestre.

Bendner didnt offer a lot but i suppose their defenders concerntating on him allowed our midfield to bomb forward.
He will also improve the experience of playing against top class opposition.

Would have been nice to see Vela with 15mins to go, he could have worked the wings to give us more options of keeping the ball high up the pitch.

Very proud of the team today - 3pts against Villa next week would be nice please!
I agree about Gallas. Probably his best performance of the season. He was a rock in defence.

Silvestre wasn't too bad either.

[DJ Clue]

Not bad, not bad at all.

Really proud of Arsenal, just disappointed with Bendtner should got that in from Nasri's pass but i have faith in that lad he just needs time, he'll shine.

Clichy deserves some credit aswell for keeping Ronaldo at bay and the wonderful Gallas.
Overall really, really happy with todays result.
:happy:

[mufcsean]

I agree about Gallas. Probably his best performance of the season. He was a rock in defence.

Silvestre wasn't too bad either.

Probably his best performance in over a year imo.

[Figо10]

Gallas deserves some credit for today, i thought he was excellent alongside Silvestre.

Bendner didnt offer a lot but i suppose their defenders concerntating on him allowed our midfield to bomb forward.

Very proud of the team today - 3pts against Villa next week would be nice please!
Silvestre and Gallas were afterall a previous French defensive partnership. A French back four if you would.

Bendtner certainly has a future but I can't see it being alongside Adebayor. The suitable targetman for a 4-2-3-1. Will be a good backup though, can't see him displacing Adebayor this season at least.

Great win obviously but we will see the next away match ;)

[mufcsean]

That french back 4 worked well, that should be your starting line up and Toure could then move to midfield and fill the void left by Flamini, i do believe that was the role he was brought in for in the first place when he joined

[Figо10]

Surprised that Toure wasn't a starter when he was fit, especially considering Denilson started as well.

Good defensive display overall by Arsenal, especially from Clichy, but the number of times Evra got past Sagna on the right was worrying.

[Stella Artois]

A very interesting game to say the least. I thought us going 2-0 up flattered us greatly. United had plenty of chances to break the deadlock first, but fortunately it was us who did so.

The game itself exposed the numerous flaws that I now see in that Arsenal side. For years fans have bemoaned players scoring 25-30 yard rockets against us, yet time and time again today a United player was able to pick the ball up that far out from goal with not a challenge in site. For some reason we seem to have an almost zonal marking type attitude to picking up players. I lost count of the amount of times Clichy was picking up a centre-forward and having to leave Ronaldo out wide. :?

I'm delighted we won, but I felt it was extremely fortunate.

http://i34.tinypic.com/2uoq4bk.jpg

[ThierryHenry14]

I'm watching sky sports news and Tony Cascarino think's Arsene Wenger will never win the premiership again.

[Barry]

These are sad times indeed if anyone takes Tony Cascarino seriously.

[Viperized]

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11670_4482375,00.html

Vela can be world class according to Wenger.

Yeah, maybe... if he ever plays him.

[TheBishop]

Surely you know by now Wenger likes to gradually blood youngsters into the 1st team. Vela will get his chance, don't worry bout that.

[Dundon's]

Have to admit I'm seriously looking forward to tonights game. I think we're more or less starting with the same heads that beat Sheff Utd, there might be one or two changes.


In other news...

Arsenal striker Emmanuel Adebayor has told skysports.com that he believes he deserves to be named African Footballer of the Year.

Four English-based players have been nominated for the accolade, with Wigan Athletic's Amr Zaki, Chelsea duo Didier Drogba and Michael Essien, and Adebayor all in contention.

Togo international Adebayor netted 30 goals for the Gunners last season and has already scored nine in the 2008/09 campaign.

The 24-year-old admits it would be an honour to be awarded such a title, with the winner due to be announced in December.

Adebayor told skysports.com at the Launch of FIFA 09 from EA SPORTS: "I would be very happy (to be named African Footballer of the Year). I think, to be honest, I deserve to be on that shortlist.

"I have come so far. I have never dreamed of playing for Arsenal or being on the shortlist. To win it would make me very happy.

"I think I have done everything to deserve it. I have a chance win it."

Adebayor has publicly had issues with representing his country following a fall-out with the Togo Football Federation over the organisation of matches.

However, the towering forward played for Togo last month, netting four goals in a World Cup qualifier against Swaziland, and he believes the troubles are now behind him.

"It is fine now," Adebayor added. "Everything is going better. We had a lot of problems. But I think there is an understanding now."

:jack:

[TheBishop]

Yeah me too mate. Ramsey, Wilshere, Vela, Merida, to name a few. Should be a good game against a decent Wigan team.

As for Adebayor, from that list, i actually think he's right :huh:

[mufcsean]

Merida :w00t

[Dundon's]

As for Adebayor, from that list, i actually think he's right :huh:

Still thought... What an ego considering the donkey needs 5 chances a match and at that might take one.

[Phil W.A.F.C]

I think we'll go through tonight just like the 05-06 season in that incredible semi-final 2nd leg :w00t. 'Mon Wigan!

[TheBishop]

I think we'll go through tonight just like the 05-06 season in that incredible semi-final 2nd leg :w00t. 'Mon Wigan!

I was at that game, last minute of extra time, Roberts :no:

It'll be an open game, should be good to watch. It's a good test for our youngsters playing against a good PL team.

EDIT Team for tonight:

Fabianski, G Hoyte, Djourou, Song, Gibbs, Wilshere, Randall, Ramsey, Merida, Vela, Simpson.

Subs: Mannone, Bischoff, Coquelin, Fonte, Lansbury, Ogogo, Frimpong.

[Phil W.A.F.C]

I was at that game, last minute of extra time, Roberts :no:

It'll be an open game, should be good to watch. It's a good test for our youngsters playing against a good PL team.

Yes so was i :w00t . Jason Roberts, my favourite ever Wigan player, great guy and a great player.

As for tonights game, that starting 11 doesn't look good enough but who am i to say it isn't? Lets sit back and watch a game that should be a very good one.

[ThierryHenry14]

1-0 Simpson the scorer.

[Barry]

I'm jumping the Wilshere bandwagon.

[TheBishop]

That win gave me as much joy as the 1st team beating Man U. Hope they can go all the way, not so much for the trophy, just so i can se more of them.

I haven't seen a 16 year old so skillful, strong on the ball, full of vision than Wilshere since Rooney. And Vela weighs in with another sublime goal. This is the best group of youngsters we've had under Wenger.

There a joy to watch.

[Phil W.A.F.C]

That win gave me as much joy as the 1st team beating Man U. Hope they can go all the way, not so much for the trophy, just so i can se more of them.

I haven't seen a 16 year old so skillful, strong on the ball, full of vision than Wilshere since Rooney. And Vela weighs in with another sublime goal. This is the best group of youngsters we've had under Wenger.

There a joy to watch.

Eeeeee, every year we hear the same then they get to the latter stages get knocked out by Chelsea or last year it was the eventual winners, Tottenham then Wenger gets slated for playing the young ones.

Anyway good performance by the young lads but the first team needs to start winning things not just the "kids". I'd like to say i could take positives out of tonights game but there are only little ones such has De Ridder's performance and Koumas being taken off. Very frustrating again by Bruce by playing Zaki alone.

[ThierryHenry14]

On ya bike Philly.

[Phil W.A.F.C]

On ya bike Philly.

Very intelligent post there, nice one.

[TheBishop]

Eeeeee, every year we hear the same then they get to the latter stages get knocked out by Chelsea or last year it was the eventual winners, Tottenham then Wenger gets slated for playing the young ones.

Anyway good performance by the young lads but the first team needs to start winning things not just the "kids". I'd like to say i could take positives out of tonights game but there are only little ones such has De Ridder's performance and Koumas being taken off. Very frustrating again by Bruce by playing Zaki alone.

This group looks different. I'm mainly focusing on Ramsey, Wilshere and Vela, who are all already close to 1st team football in the next couple of years.

I never slated Wenger for last year against Spurs. This is their tournament, everyone knows that, even the 1st team know that. Let them play, let them learn. To me, winning the trophy would be a bonus, it's more about the youngsters getting the experience.

I agree about De Ridder. Very good performance and nearly scored a great goal.

[ThierryHenry14]

Very intelligent post there, nice one.

T'was indeed, it means leave, go or simply fuck off!

[Phil W.A.F.C]

This group looks different. I'm mainly focusing on Ramsey, Wilshere and Vela, who are all already close to 1st team football in the next couple of years.

I never slated Wenger for last year against Spurs. This is their tournament, everyone knows that, even the 1st team know that. Let them play, let them learn. To me, winning the trophy would be a bonus, it's more about the youngsters getting the experience.

I agree about De Ridder. Very good performance and nearly scored a great goal.

I aint taking anything away from them by my last post by the way becuase you did actually give our first team bar Emile Heskey (who didn't play) a footballing lesson. Time to take a reality check to the likes of Koumas and Valencia who again didn't do fuck all.

Smashing performance, i hope you go all the way after that because i was really impressed of how you managed to destroy a England League's first team, well done.

EDIT: Henry shagger, these post are very intelligent maybe i should spend a little time with you yeah?

[ThierryHenry14]

EDIT: Henry shagger, these post are very intelligent maybe i should spend a little time with you yeah?
What!?! please stay in Wigan or wherever you live.

[Phil W.A.F.C]

What!?! please stay in Wigan or wherever you live.

Yeah your right, Wigan. I wonder where your from :lol2:.

[DJ Clue]

:lol2:

[ThierryHenry14]

I'm not allowed to release that kind of information over the internet.

[Phil W.A.F.C]

I'm not allowed to release that kind of information over the internet.

Awwwwwwh, has mummy told you not to? Bless.

[ThierryHenry14]

No I just don't want to tell you.

[Phil W.A.F.C]

No I just don't want to tell you.

:lol2:, Clearly not North London then.

[ThierryHenry14]

Why would you think I live there? Just cause I support Arsenal doesn't mean I live in London.

[Jonny2J]

There's one simple reason I don't take Phil seriously, how can any man openly admit that they are going to see The Killers?