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CaptainCabinet

12-11-2008, 11:33

Eeeeee, every year we hear the same then they get to the latter stages get knocked out by Chelsea or last year it was the eventual winners, Tottenham then Wenger gets slated for playing the young ones.

Anyway good performance by the young lads but the first team needs to start winning things not just the "kids". I'd like to say i could take positives out of tonights game but there are only little ones such has De Ridder's performance and Koumas being taken off. Very frustrating again by Bruce by playing Zaki alone.

What, like when they lost both years and every one stuck by him because he didn't bottle it? No-one with any sense slated Wenger after the past two years exits.

Was I watching a different game? I only ask because De Ridder looked average at best. If we're taking a sexual metaphor on the whole thing, his foreplay was good but came as soon as he saw the target, let alone got anywhere near to it. His final balls (bar the obvious couple) were absolutely dire and he wasted far too much time over and over again.

I did like the fact that in the first 20 minutes, it could be said that the Arsenal team should have passed more. The two Two-On-One's being my cases in point.

There's one simple reason I don't take Phil seriously, how can any man openly admit that they are going to see The Killers?
He has mention of The Courteneers in his sig not to mention a Pigeon Detectives set that will no doubt contain something from their second album, yet you mention The Killers?

Jonny2J

12-11-2008, 12:01

He has mention of The Courteneers in his sig not to mention a Pigeon Detectives set that will no doubt contain something from their second album, yet you mention The Killers?Young Knives my friend.

Dundon's

12-11-2008, 14:39

It was a great save but he is headless when it comes to balls coming in from crosses....sorry but it has to be said, he is young though and may learn.

I wouldn't go as far as headless but he did make a few drastic decisions during the match. Still... I can see great potential in him.

Billy Minof

12-11-2008, 14:57

I wouldn't go as far as headless but he did make a few drastic decisions during the match. Still... I can see great potential in him.

Thats because you have the Blinkers on....:erm:

Meyyappan

12-11-2008, 15:47

CaptainCabinet

12-11-2008, 15:55

Karma's a bitch, eh?

Billy Minof

12-11-2008, 16:04

If Barca came and took Wilshere from us for £500,000 as per what happened with us and Cesc.

I know there are differences in contracts and clubs protection of young players etc in Spain compared to England but I think I am right in saying Jack cannot sign a professional contract until he is 17.

Can you imagine how gutted you'd be if this happened and then he became a world star like Cesc has?

I would go fucking maddddddd!!!!!!!!!!!

Dont worry, Arsenal have him signed on a pro contract and it cannot happen, Wilshiere is safe for now.....there are also 3 young Irish kids and a Welsh kid playing for Arsenal that are still 16 but Wenger wont play them because they dont have pro contracts yet, they are supposed to be amazing talents but he doesnt want to introduce them to the World until he has them all tied down, you will see them next season in the same competition though.

Cannon ball

12-11-2008, 16:19

No one here seems to be talking about Simpson, two very well taken goals, deserved of a place in the team?

TheBishop

12-11-2008, 16:56

No one here seems to be talking about Simpson, two very well taken goals, deserved of a place in the team?

Fair point. I've liked what i've seen of him in the past year. Did very well on loan at Millwall.

Definitely deserved his start. He's probably just behind Vela in the strikers pecking order. Another striker with great pace as well. I'd like to see him go out on loan maybe next season to another prem team and hopefully get some 1st team action.

Phil W.A.F.C

12-11-2008, 19:46

Young Knives my friend.

Young knives are whack Jonno, The Killers are legends.

AgentZero

12-11-2008, 20:22

No one here seems to be talking about Simpson, two very well taken goals, deserved of a place in the team?
was about to say for a young lad he finishes it very calmly, vela again was quality.

Meyyappan

13-11-2008, 08:49

Dont worry, Arsenal have him signed on a pro contract and it cannot happen, Wilshiere is safe for now.....there are also 3 young Irish kids and a Welsh kid playing for Arsenal that are still 16 but Wenger wont play them because they dont have pro contracts yet, they are supposed to be amazing talents but he doesnt want to introduce them to the World until he has them all tied down, you will see them next season in the same competition though.

Thanks for replying and how do you know Wenger has got Irish kids or whatever?By the way what are your chances of getting C.Ronaldo in January?

Dundon's

13-11-2008, 09:08

Arsenal midfielder Abou Diaby is aiming to force his way back into the France squad so he can learn from his role model Patrick Vieira.

Diaby is now back in the Arsenal team after he missed the opening two months of the season with a thigh problem.

The 22-year-old has impressed in recent games for the Gunners and now has his sights set on an international recall.

He has two senior caps for France to his name and is eager to be given a chance to play alongside former Arsenal captain Vieira.

"I have a desire and ambition to get back in the French team," Diaby told Le 10 Sport.

"I know there is a lot of competition in midfield, notably from Patrick Vieira, who is my role model.

"I have a lot of things to learn from him."

Bit early for that me thinks, but the kid's not lacking in confidence that's for sure. :l

Meyyappan

13-11-2008, 09:43

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Surely people would want to see our victory images though its 5 days late and how do i put one of these pics as my sig,can anyone help please?

Wan

13-11-2008, 09:55

What's that flower thing between your badge and logo?

Meyyappan

13-11-2008, 10:01

I do not know

fick

13-11-2008, 10:12

What's that flower thing between your badge and logo?

I do not know

It's a poppy. It's linked to the tradition of Armistice Day (or Remembrance day) held on the 11th November every year throughout the Commonwealth (as was!). It is to commemorate the fallen soldiers in particular during WW1.

The date of the 11th Nov is the date the Armistice became effective.

The Poppy emblem was adopted specifically because of the poppies that grew in Flanders at the sites of some of the worst battles during WW1.

Basic grade history. Obviously they dont teach John McCrae or Wilfred Owen poetry any more.

Wan

13-11-2008, 10:47

Thanks.

nath_scfc

13-11-2008, 10:51

It's a poppy. It's linked to the tradition of Armistice Day (or Remembrance day) held on the 11th November every year throughout the Commonwealth (as was!). It is to commemorate the fallen soldiers in particular during WW1.

The date of the 11th Nov is the date the Armistice became effective.

The Poppy emblem was adopted specifically because of the poppies that grew in Flanders at the sites of some of the worst battles during WW1.

Basic grade history. Obviously they dont teach John McCrae or Wilfred Owen poetry any more.

In fairness, Wan's from Malaysia so he's not too likely to know it. I can't comment on Meyyappan though.

fick

13-11-2008, 10:52

In fairness, Wan's from Malaysia so he's not too likely to know it. I can't comment on Meyyappan though.

No one can comment for Mayyappan...

TheBishop

13-11-2008, 11:42

Bit early for that me thinks, but the kid's not lacking in confidence that's for sure. :l

Diaby just needs a long run without any injuries. As for France, after watching them in the past year, i don't think he's that far off from a place.

Dundon's

13-11-2008, 11:47

A good run in the side will be great for him, you can see how much he's improved already from last season from the glimpses we've seen.

Billy Minof

13-11-2008, 11:58

Thanks for replying and how do you know Wenger has got Irish kids or whatever?By the way what are your chances of getting C.Ronaldo in January?

Well Charlie Nicholas spoke about them after the game and I know that that is one of the reasons that Liam Brady offered to help out in the Irish job as he knows exactly what talent is coming through at Arsenal and he has spoke about the young Irish players at the Gunners for a while now, I can get you more info on them if you want....

As for Ronaldo, no, I cant see us getting him in January he wont come till the Summer. :happy:

Dundon's

13-11-2008, 12:00

I read there earlier this morning somewhere that he's looking at signing a new deal to keep him at Utd.

Meyyappan

13-11-2008, 17:09

No one can comment for Mayyappan...

I am from India and why did you swap the 'e' in my name for a 'a'?

Well Charlie Nicholas spoke about them after the game and I know that that is one of the reasons that Liam Brady offered to help out in the Irish job as he knows exactly what talent is coming through at Arsenal and he has spoke about the young Irish players at the Gunners for a while now, I can get you more info on them if you want....

As for Ronaldo, no, I cant see us getting him in January he wont come till the Summer. :happy:

I would love to get more info?Frankly i think we are getting overcrowded with all of them,will we manage to keep em?

And in your opinion ronaldo is coming at least in the next 1-2 years if not in jan?

K.1.N.G.

13-11-2008, 23:02

Thanks for replying and how do you know Wenger has got Irish kids or whatever?By the way what are your chances of getting C.Ronaldo in January?

Billy the K1D knows everything....

He knows people....:ninja:

DJ Clue

13-11-2008, 23:49

Adebayor's got a 50/50 chance playing against Villa in weekend.

Almunia should be back.

TheBishop

13-11-2008, 23:55

We could do with him back, especially with Van Persie still suspended.

Keyser Soze

14-11-2008, 00:33

Vela start!

Dragonfly

14-11-2008, 12:36

Adebayor's got a 50/50 chance playing against Villa in weekend.

Almunia should be back.

I'd actually like to see Fabianski keep his place, to have a decent run of games to test his consistency.

Stella Artois

14-11-2008, 16:40

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I'll never get bored of watching that.

We should win tomorrow. Villa are on a poor run of form and are playing badly too. Hopefully we don't fuck up as usual.

Dundon's

14-11-2008, 16:50

That could arguably be our best save in our new ground. We'd of been waiting a while for Faulty to pull something like that out of the bag.

TheBishop

14-11-2008, 16:56

Almunia has made some top saves, and important ones.(Robbie Keane, Arsenal 2-1 Spurs last season). He's a good shot stopper, but his decision making and jumping for balls into the box, like many other keepers, is really dodgy at times.

Dundon's

14-11-2008, 17:12

I remember the save you're talking about but I think the one Fab made is more on the level of something Seaman would do. Now don't get me wrong here, the kid isn't the finished article yet and does have some dodgy moments, but with time I'm hoping that gets sorted leaving us with one quality goalkeeper.

Time will tell.

Meyyappan

14-11-2008, 17:16

I heard at one time we were linked with Petr Chech before he joined chelsea but could not get him due to work permit problems,is it true?

Wan

14-11-2008, 17:25

Work permit?

Why would Petr Cech needs a work permit as he's from an EU country?

vanNistelrooy

14-11-2008, 17:35

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I'll never get bored of watching that.

We should win tomorrow. Villa are on a poor run of form and are playing badly too. Hopefully we don't fuck up as usual.
As good as a save that was, De Riddler's run was better.

TheBishop

14-11-2008, 18:51

:w00t

Eduardo to play again in ‘two or three weeks'

Arsenal’s long-term injured are getting closer and closer to a return.

At his Friday press conference, Arsène Wenger confirmed that Eduardo will be back in full contact training soon and is “two to three weeks” from playing properly. After that, it will be only match-fitness that holds him back from a proper first-team return. The Croatian striker has not played since breaking his leg at Birmingham on February 23.

Meanwhile Tomas Rosicky went under the surgeon’s knife this week which, at least, means the Czech international can push on and his manager can start talking about dates for a comeback. He has been missing since January 29 because of an unusual hamstring problem.

“Eduardo is close to coming back into full training so he should start to play in two to three weeks maybe,” said Wenger.

“As for Tomas, the surgery went very well. He should be back with us in six to eight weeks but that doesn’t mean that he will play in six to eight weeks.

“He will then start training so I think a reasonable delay is to say that he might be back at the beginning of next year.”

I'm guessing sometime at the start of December he could play one or 2 reserve games before getting back in the full squad, which is looking like being before Christmas :) hopefully.

Dragonfly

14-11-2008, 18:56

I hope he waits until the new year to play. Maybe he could be on the bench for the Christmas backlog, but I don't want to rush him. Many of our players have come back from injury, only to be sidelined for ages later on.

TheBishop

14-11-2008, 18:59

Yeah i'd rather not rush him too. After the injury he's had, i'm sure Wenger will take extra care before putting him back in.

Dundon's

14-11-2008, 19:06

As good as a save that was, De Riddler's run was better.

No

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8c0iRXboo4

Stella Artois

14-11-2008, 20:22

Work permit?

Why would Petr Cech needs a work permit as he's from an EU country?

And, it must be added, no fewer than 13 points healthier than Arsenal, whose manager, Arsène Wenger, attempted to sign Cech, not once but twice, when he was at Sparta Prague. "At that time, I was 19 years old, so I wasn't in a [senior] international team, and the Czech Republic weren't in the European Union then, so I couldn't gain a work permit. That's why I didn't join Arsenal."

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/t itle-in-safe-keeping-of-petr-the-great-485676.html

If I bothered to tell you, you wouldn't believe the quality of players we've been unable to sign for various reasons. Ronaldinho because of work permit reasons, Cronaldo because United offered more money, etc etc.

Stella Artois

14-11-2008, 20:35

I'm jumping the Wilshere bandwagon.

It's no bandwagon mate, I've never, ever been so excited by a youngster. Him, Ramsey and Vela are the absolute future of Arsenal. I can only hope Fabregas decides to see it through with those lads as I really see us being one hell of a team in a few years. The football those lads are capable of playing is incredible.

ThierryHenry14

14-11-2008, 20:58

Fabregas as the future captain with some of the youngsters, what an amazing team.

Meyyappan

15-11-2008, 07:48

And, it must be added, no fewer than 13 points healthier than Arsenal, whose manager, Arsène Wenger, attempted to sign Cech, not once but twice, when he was at Sparta Prague. "At that time, I was 19 years old, so I wasn't in a [senior] international team, and the Czech Republic weren't in the European Union then, so I couldn't gain a work permit. That's why I didn't join Arsenal."

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/t itle-in-safe-keeping-of-petr-the-great-485676.html

If I bothered to tell you, you wouldn't believe the quality of players we've been unable to sign for various reasons. Ronaldinho because of work permit reasons, Cronaldo because United offered more money, etc etc.

Yes,just goes on to show how good we are with young player spotting but i do not remember the Ronaldinho incident and mate please give a solid link to prove these chavs wrong.

The cristiano thing he himself came out and said he had been with us long before but did not join due to that former portugese assistant of SAF having links with sporting.

Armand tarore seems to be doing very well at portsmouth any chance we can have him back at jan?

Ronaldo at Arsenal before Man Utd
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger and Man Utd winger Cristiano Ronaldo
Wenger has established a superb record for spotting talent
Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger has said he was "very close" to signing Cristiano Ronaldo before he joined Manchester United in August 2003.

Wenger believes the Portuguese winger Ronaldo signed for United due to the club's links with Sporting Lisbon.

Wenger said: "He was here much earlier - he could tell you that if he wants.

"Manchester United had a partnership with Sporting Lisbon when United assistant coach Carlos Queiroz moved and that made it very difficult."

Interview: Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger

Wenger added of Ronaldo: "I knew about him yes. We were very close."

But he refused to elaborate any further when questioned about Ronaldo's time with Arsenal.

"I don't want to create any story that isn't needed," the Frenchman told BBC football correspondent Jonathan Legard.

"One day I will tell you more about that story and you will be surprised. You will have to ask him how close it was."

606: DEBATE
Your thoughts on Wenger's revelation

Ronaldo has been in sensational form all season, scoring 27 goals as well as setting up countless others for the England League leaders.

Since joining Arsenal in 1996, Wenger has established an unparallelled reputation for identifying and buying Europe's finest young players.

PESFan92

15-11-2008, 11:40

After seeing Wilkins comments about "Arsenal disrespecting the Carling Cup" i really hope Arsenal the Carling Cup

Barry

15-11-2008, 12:10

It's no bandwagon mate, I've never, ever been so excited by a youngster. Him, Ramsey and Vela are the absolute future of Arsenal. I can only hope Fabregas decides to see it through with those lads as I really see us being one hell of a team in a few years. The football those lads are capable of playing is incredible.

The prospect of them playing together is mouthwatering.

Viperized

15-11-2008, 15:14

After seeing Wilkins comments about "Arsenal disrespecting the Carling Cup" i really hope Arsenal the Carling Cup
When did he say that?

DJ Clue

15-11-2008, 15:52

Not much going on then in todays game then.

Dragonfly

15-11-2008, 15:54

Nope. We're not really creating anything. Villa have been the most likely to score. We've had good possession in their half, but they're defending tightly and well. We need to move the ball quicker if we're to score. There has been some nice touches though, especially from Diaby.

DJ Clue

15-11-2008, 16:03

Heard they had a penalty saved by Almunia.

Phil W.A.F.C

15-11-2008, 16:09

Heard they had a penalty saved by Almunia.

Yeah Ashley Young took it and not Gareth Barry.

Dragonfly

15-11-2008, 16:28

Bring on Vela.

DJ Clue

15-11-2008, 16:33

1-0 down.

ThierryHenry14

15-11-2008, 16:41

2-0 down now,we have to be the most incosistant team in the England League.

Phil W.A.F.C

15-11-2008, 16:41

1-0 down.

make that 2. :lol2:

Mjällharth

15-11-2008, 16:43

It's really depressing if you compare this bunch of miserable cunts to the team in 2004. Arrogant, weak(physically and mentally I'd say) and arrogant once again.

Viperized

15-11-2008, 16:44

The ref is a cunt. Almunia is shit (should've saved it). Diaby isn't very good (I didn't know he was a striker. Thanks for the heads up though, Wenger). Bendtner had another awful game (currently, he is fucking crap. Couldn't really care less he's still 20 or whatever his age is. You're either good enough, or not.). And we're losing again.

We need Rosicky and Eduardo back ASAP.

We're such an inconsistent side. We'll beat Man United and lose to the likes of Hull and Stoke, and are now getting beat 2-0 at home. Fucking terrible.

DJ Clue

15-11-2008, 16:46

Tell me about it.

RB14 ARSENAL

15-11-2008, 16:47

Typical: We beat Man United 2-1, an awesome performance by us. And now we are losing 2-0 to Aston Villa.

Viperized

15-11-2008, 16:48

It's really depressing if you compare this bunch of miserable cunts to the team in 2004. Arrogant, weak(physically and mentally I'd say) and arrogant once again.
Spot on.

I'd rather play our fucking reserves.

Miggy

15-11-2008, 16:51

Surely people should have known that the result against Man United and the win during the week was only going to cover up the real problems.

Joel

15-11-2008, 16:55

Wenger rushing down the tunnel was a hilarious sight. Won't want to be an Arsenal player right now.

Viperized

15-11-2008, 16:56

Likely scenario:
- We're going to end up winning nothing this season
- Good players will leave
- Poor players will remain (Bendtner, Song, perhaps Diaby, seeing as he is now a striker)
- We'll end up losing to small teams again next season

Miggy

15-11-2008, 16:57

Wenger rushing down the tunnel was a hilarious sight. Won't want to be an Arsenal player right now.

Not the first time he's done that this season.

vanNistelrooy

15-11-2008, 16:57

Ouch! That bump down to Earth must have really hurt.

I.N Extasy

15-11-2008, 16:58

Wenger rushing down the tunnel was a hilarious sight. Won't want to be an Arsenal player right now.

Nor "fan" for that matter. ;)

Dundon's

15-11-2008, 16:59

Extremely disappointing performance, full credit to Villa they were well organized and deadly on the break.

Viperized

15-11-2008, 16:59

Wenger rushing down the tunnel was a hilarious sight. Won't want to be an Arsenal player right now.
He has only himself to blame. He is the one who has control of the team. He picks the team and makes the decisions around the club.

TheBishop

15-11-2008, 17:09

Surely people should have known that the result against Man United and the win during the week was only going to cover up the real problems.

Completely agreed. We're capable of raising our game in a big game but week in week out, we don't have enough.

Villa completely deserved the win. I'm sure we all knew the league was gone anyway after Stoke. We've got a battle now with Villa for 4th.

ThierryHenry14

15-11-2008, 17:10

Hopefully our young guns can win the CC for us and show up the 1st team.

RB14 ARSENAL

15-11-2008, 17:12

Hopefully our young guns can win the CC for us and show up the 1st team.

Agreed.

Ramsey, Wilshere, Vela FTW!!

Meyyappan

15-11-2008, 17:48

A very good article written on bbc sports which highlights our problems:

This is an absolutely maddening team. Victory in fine fashion over Man U. and then we fall out of the top four with a performance like this against Villa.

The Key Problems:

10. Almunia symbolizes the team's back and forth abilities. Great save on the pen and then he's beaten to the near post for their second, a cardinal sin amongst keeprs.

9. Gallas and Sylvestre both played well at times today, but they did not represent sodity in the back. We waver as a defensive unit and do not have confidence or cohesion.

8. Denilson played very well today, I thought but he lacks the kind of creativity that Cesc usually has, and he still hasn't learned to run the pitch the way Flam used to or the way Sidwell did today.

7. Bendtner was atrocious today. Don't know what the problem was but it was one of his worst games in the shirt.

6. Clichy is an excellent left back but he almost scored an own goal last week in the same fashion he did today. As with Birmingham last year, he's genius prone to incredible lapses of concentration.

5. Injuries...Sagna is down now. Is it me or are players at Arsenal Football Club more prone to injury than those of other clubs. We haven't been free of injury for significant portions of a season for 3 or 4 seasons now. I don't understand it!

4. Even if all goes well. This team is bound to struggle for trophies. These are the kinds of games title winning teams find out how to win. We are too young to understand the keys to unlocking victory in such games. Without the internal do or die motivation of the Man U match last week, we need veteran guile to endure a team like Villa and then pull out a victory in the 2nd half. We are too inexperienced for that at this stage of the team's development.

3. Without wingers that can hold the ball better and attack both from the inside and out, i.e. Rosicky and Hleb, the 5 man midfield becomes a log jam of lateral and back passes as we saw today. Walcott can be incredibly incisive at his best but at his age, he isn't mature enough to produce week in and week out.

2. Wenger must look at his team's spirit and experience. He is loyal to a fault and if he can keep the team together he will be rewarded for it. But major trophies are unlikely with this team this year and he must be prepared for disgruntled fans to mount serious pressure against the lack of trophies. Also, a pattern is developing...when the young guns light up a team in the CC, the first team comes back and is rubbish the subsequent weekend.

...and the big one...

#1. Cesc is playing poorly. He is the heart of Arsenal's team but due to his consistent brilliance over the past couple of years, we forget what a huge ask that is for a 21 year old. He's been playing virtually non-stop for about 18 months and is mentally fatigued. His play isn't hideous, it's just epicly uninspired, and the team has no other leader that inspires the confidence that he does.

...ultimately we are a ship whose engine fires and then stalls leaving us floating aimlessly for a period before firing again, not the stuff of champions my friends.

...not this year anyway...!

Next up guys we will beat city 3-0 and lose to chelsea by the same score.

Whereas for the EPL unless we go unbeaten from now to the end winning atleast 20 games we wont win it so as well forget it now,fourth place for us.

Cannon ball

15-11-2008, 18:27

Next up guys we will beat city 3-0 and lose to chelsea by the same score.

Whereas for the EPL unless we go unbeaten from now to the end winning atleast 20 games we wont win it so as well forget it now,fourth place for us.

With the way you are at the moment, I cannot say I'm as afraid of you guys as before. Since the 04-05 season you're becoming more "beatable". In the days of Viera and co, it was very rare a team other than Man Utd would beat you, now its becoming all too common. Having said that, it would be stupid to write off your chances, Wenger will probably start Vela, and a few of the youngsters, and comfortably cruise past us.

pistolpete

15-11-2008, 18:33

We should expect nothing less when we continue to play Bendtner or Adebayor up front.

Since Arsenal began playing beautiful football we have had lots of movement up front and everyone would get into goalscoring positions and chip in with goals. Now we are incredibly static.

It would be nice if we were learning something from our disappointing results but it seems we are not. We obviously needed to put Villa on the back foot today, we should have learned that from the Stoke game but yet again we created nothing.

Even against Man Utd, we didnt try to kill the game off at 2-1, like we should have learned from the Spurs game.

Dundon's

15-11-2008, 18:56

If we can get our league form sorted and finish strong I'll be happy enough knowing our side will be a year older next season. In the meantime we should hope to enjoy a good run in the champions league and FA cup considering we can play in the big games.

6. Clichy is an excellent left back but he almost scored an own goal last week in the same fashion he did today. As with Birmingham last year, he's genius prone to incredible lapses of concentration.

If he didn't put it in the goal was stuck anyways.

Viperized

15-11-2008, 19:03

If we can get our league form sorted and finish strong I'll be happy enough knowing our side will be a year older next season. In the meantime we should hope to enjoy a good run in the champions league and FA cup considering we can play in the big games.

P.S. In response to Clichy comments in the post by May, if he didn't put it in the ball was stuck anyways.
Age has got fuck all to do with the fact we're playing awful.

Clearly we need to bolster on the wings, buy a defensive midfielder and get rid of our average players. It doesn't matter that we have Nasri and Walcott. Two players is not good enough, and the latter is incredibly inconsistent. Rosicky is never going to return.

Denilson has had good games, but to be honest, I think we need a better partner for Cesc.

And Almunia needs to be replaced ASAP.

Currently we have 26 points. Last season we had 33 points and had 26 points in 05/06.

Clearly we're battling for 4th place again. I don't think much more needs to be said.

Dundon's

15-11-2008, 19:08

I agree with most of that but the age thing is clearly an issue, we need to mature as a team and that will only happen over time. Lets not forget that we are seeing more new players making the 1st team these days than ever before and as a unite we are weak because of that.

Lets see what happens in the transfer window, right now I'd take a goal keeper over anything else, as promising as Fab is now he's not ready to be number one. I'd like to see us buy a proven goalkeeper in his 30's and try get 2 good years out of him.

Mjällharth

15-11-2008, 19:30

I've been hopeful to see Kameni at the Emirates for quite a few years, but I doubt Wenger will buy him. IMHO he's wasting his career at Espanyol.

Joel

15-11-2008, 19:32

Viperized, you go on and on about buying a winger, but you never give names. Give me one winger that you could possibly buy?

Miggy

15-11-2008, 19:35

I've been hopeful to see Kameni at the Emirates for quite a few years, but I doubt Wenger will buy him. IMHO he's wasting his career at Espanyol.

You'd be getting your own Gomes.

Stella Artois

15-11-2008, 19:38

Viperized, you go on and on about buying a winger, but you never give names. Give me one winger that you could possibly buy?

Please don't give that retard the time of day.

Miggy, £30 for Cesc and you can have him. He's been fucking shit so far this year.

Miggy

15-11-2008, 19:42

Please don't give that retard the time of day.

Miggy, £30 for Cesc and you can have him. He's been fucking shit so far this year.

Haha. I'm sure he'll pick up his form again and you'll be asking for 30 million. His mind does seem else where this year though...

Stella Artois

15-11-2008, 19:43

Its in Barcelona.

He can honestly fuck off if he's going to be like this for the rest of the season. Miserable bastard.

Mjällharth

15-11-2008, 19:43

You'd be getting your own Gomes.

TBH I don't see much better alternatives either. Landreau?Mandanda?Neuer?Adler?

Miggy

15-11-2008, 19:46

Frey off the top of my head.

Mjällharth

15-11-2008, 19:47

Plausible.

Keyser Soze

15-11-2008, 19:51

Don't even have to look past England really - I've always rated Jaaskelainen personally, he'd be a very decent signing imo. Friedel too. I don't understand why it's took so long to realise a top keeper is needed though, should have been a priority years ago.

Mjällharth

15-11-2008, 20:07

True, Given and Jussi J. are great goalkeepers. Even Kirkland to some extent in my opinion.

AgentZero

15-11-2008, 22:49

that mexican keeper Ochoa, he looks alright.

Meyyappan

16-11-2008, 04:30

Please don't give that retard the time of day.

Miggy, £30 for Cesc and you can have him. He's been fucking shit so far this year.

But you must understand the lad,he has been playing non-stop for us and his whole midfield form hleb,rosicy,flamini has changed and he gets aninconsistent wally,denilson who loves to attack and Nasri.So he has to adapt to that.Young lads loves to attack and we must appreciate that fab atleast tries to defend.
Plus lets no forget he had a long EURO.

A 2-Game rest for Fabregas will do him good and the team as well,we cannot get any worse can we?

With the way you are at the moment, I cannot say I'm as afraid of you guys as before. Since the 04-05 season you're becoming more "beatable". In the days of Viera and co, it was very rare a team other than Man Utd would beat you, now its becoming all too common. Having said that, it would be stupid to write off your chances, Wenger will probably start Vela, and a few of the youngsters, and comfortably cruise past us.
Yet we were winning titles with 78pts or 85pts so some other teams should have beaten us or it was just draws.Yes it is true we were more feared back then.That team though it failed in europe was consistent domestically so it was less frustrating always challenging for the league and winning consolation F.A cups.
TBH I don't see much better alternatives either. Landreau?Mandanda?Neuer?Adler?

Mandanda,certainly i have seen him loads of times and he is great,is coupet still number one for France?I saw him playing once for le coq sportif.

And another thing is our new team lacks the heart to become winners

And something which may cheer us up as i hear valencia are in the top 2:

Look how the winners of the Spanish League and the England League co-incide with each other.

Year La Liga Champions England League Champions
2007/08 Real Madrid Manchester United
2006/07 Real Madrid Manchester United
2005/06 Barcelona Chelsea
2004/05 Barcelona Chelsea
2003/04 Valencia Arsenal
2002/03 Real Madrid Manchester United
2001/02 Valencia Arsenal
2000/01 Real Madrid Manchester United

Ever since 2000 it's been like that.

Unless Valencia go on an outstanding run, it looks like it may be Chelsea's year this season.

And to all the Liverpool fans out there, I'd start cheering for Villareal if I were you! laugh

I say send Benitez back to Valencia

I.N Extasy

16-11-2008, 04:33

Hugo Lloris is number for Lyon, if that tells you anything.

From what I've seen:

Friedel > Niemi > Jussi

Meyyappan

16-11-2008, 05:02

Hugo Lloris is number for Lyon, if that tells you anything.

From what I've seen:

Friedel > Niemi > Jussi

What number?Once again written fuck all in this thread,how will it tell anything?:no:

I.N Extasy

16-11-2008, 05:04

I believe that's called a typo, mongrel. :)

Lloris is number one for Lyon. I've seen him a couple of times and he's pretty good. I find him to take too much risk when rushing into challenges. And he moves pretty quickly as well.

Meyyappan

16-11-2008, 05:10

I believe that's called a typo, mongrel.

So what if he is number one?You idiot,for your information Gregory Coupet is playing at Athletico Madrid(i am sure you did not know that)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%C3%A9gory_Coupet

I.N Extasy

16-11-2008, 05:35

So what if he is number one?You idiot,for your information Gregory Coupet is playing at Athletico Madrid(i am sure you did not know that)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%C3%A9gory_Coupet

It's fairly obvious that Lyon sold him because they had a better alternative in Lloris, who they spent about 8m euros on. (Coupet was sold for tiny fraction of the amount to Athletico)

Meyyappan

16-11-2008, 11:43

It's fairly obvious that Lyon sold him because they had a better alternative in Lloris, who they spent about 8m euros on. (Coupet was sold for tiny fraction of the amount to Athletico)

I understand what you are trying to say Lloris is the france number 1 and Lyon only Bought Lloris because he was better than Coupet and not because Gregory is 36 years old.Yes completely understand you there.

I.N Extasy

16-11-2008, 12:02

I understand what you are trying to say Lloris is the france number 1 and Lyon only Bought Lloris because he was better than Coupet and not because Gregory is 36 years old.Yes completely understand you there.

Fair enough. :)

What number?Once again written fuck all in this thread,how will it tell anything?:no:

So what if he is number one?You idiot,for your information Gregory Coupet is playing at Athletico Madrid(i am sure you did not know that)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%C3%A9gory_Coupet

But then, why the above two posts? :mellow:

:lol:

Meyyappan

16-11-2008, 12:02

The answer is, and always has been, a big yes.

The line up yesterday was the same as against Man U.

We beat Man U with that team, so for the last time, our team is good enough. That's a fact. You don't beat Man U by fluke.

Atleast not when Man U want to win the game they are playing,are concentrated and know that the opposition is a threat.If they underestimated the opposition and lost thats an another thing.

Almunia, Silvestre, Gallas, Clichy, Fabregas, Bendtner - these seem to be the most obvious ones. But the point is that these players played against Man U, played well, and beat Man U.Nasri scored the goals, but every player played their part. Our team, and also our squad, is good enough.

And we certainly do not have a problem beating physical teams at all this was showed when we teethered Bolton and Blackburn.Let me piont that they were away games as well.

I refuse to believe that we can't play against big, physical sides. We're better than that, and we've shown glimpses of the fact that we can compete physically when we need to. It's just the case of finding a winning formula.

So, what's the problem then? In my opinion, our problem is neatly summed up in one word: Attitude.

Against teams like Hull, Fulham, who we should beat, we need to be mentally ready to play at our best to beat sides that will be well up for the game. We need to be fighters.

We need to get players like Fabregas and Van Persie fully fit and firing on all cylinders. And that's up to Mr Wenger. I don't blame him at all for team selection, or tactics this year. I think, on the whole, they've been fine this season. However, Wenger must now surely realise that some players need a big kick up the back side, and it's up to him to dish that out.

If I were manager, I'd do lots of things, but at the end of the day, Wenger is manager, rightly so, and we need Wenger at the helm if we're going to win anything this season. So let's just get behind the team, and wait for these dark clouds to pass.

Winning the England League is not the only way our season can be a success,if we solve out our problems and finish a respectable 4-5 pts off the title and win the f.a and carling it would be a success,then next season we can assault the pl as we would have all our players from the beginning e.g rosicky,eduardo and wenger more determined than ever with our second string maturing enough to become good back up,also our our first 11 would be one year older.

Fair enough. :)

But then, why the above two posts? :mellow:

:lol:

Hugo Lloris is number for Lyon, if that tells you anything.

From what I've seen:

Friedel > Niemi > Jussi

What is it supposed to tell me then :lol:

And greg did not have many more years left in him thats why he was sold not because he was not good enough.

Sully

16-11-2008, 12:09

Where did you copy that from?

I.N Extasy

16-11-2008, 12:14

A little too optimistic I'd say.

"A big kick up the back side?" I get your point but if it were as simple as that, I'm certain Wenger would have done that long ago.

The thing is, the brains of various persons work differently. A right bollocking at a certain person might spur him to work his arse out and make wonders (maybe I'm exaggerating but whatever) while the same thing said to someone else may be a terrible blow to him, thus leading to a decrease in moral and consequently, poor performances.

My point is, some (or most) of your players are very young and may take things said to them the wrong way.

I believe Wenger plays it safe and goes for "the pat on the back".

Edit: Sully, try reading the article first. I doubt anyone else would have come up with such killer conclusions! :\

What is it supposed to tell me then :lol:

"Let it be..."

Meyyappan

16-11-2008, 12:14

Did not copy it just wrote it myself seeing how and why we slipped up against tottenham,hull,fulham and now villa

A little too optimistic I'd say.

"A big kick up the back side?" I get your point but if it were as simple as that, I'm certain Wenger would have done that long ago.

The thing is, the brains of various persons work differently. A right bollocking at a certain person might spur him to work his arse out and make wonders (maybe I'm exaggerating but whatever) while the same thing said to someone else may be a terrible blow to him, thus leading to a decrease in moral and consequently, poor performances.

My point is, some (or most) of your players are very young and may take things said to them the wrong way.

I believe Wenger plays it safe and goes for "the pat on the back".

You pretty much said it yourself wenger has to wait for the right time to give the kick as our players are very young so he should do it when our poor displays reflect the table like now 9pts behind the leaders rather than after one or two bad performances.

Hugo Lloris is number for Lyon, if that tells you anything.

And what was it supposed to tell me pepe?

TheBishop

16-11-2008, 12:43

Just reading the previous pages, someone mentioned Manuel Neuer from Schalke. I like the look of him but I can't see Wenger buying a keeper anytime soon.

Meyyappan actually made a good point about Cesc. Look at our midfield last season:
Hleb, Flamini, Fabregas, Rosicky. I thought that was the best midfield we've had since the likes of Vieria, Pires, Ljungberg etc.

Fabregas' form hasn't been like last season because basically he's having to carry the team at the moment. Him and Denilson's partnership doesn't look like being long term to me, although i think Denilson has played well at times this season.

Basically, we had a better squad last year so it shouldn't be much of surprise were not challenging for the title this time. But if you offered me 4th place and a cup or 2 (hopefully the Champions League), i'd be really happy with that.

Anyway, Sagna's out for three weeks so Toure will probably play right back.

ThierryHenry14

16-11-2008, 13:54

To be honest I don't see Wenger buying anyone in the January transfer window.

Mjällharth

16-11-2008, 13:56

Anyway, Sagna's out for three weeks so Toure will probably play right back.

Why for God's sake can't AW play Touré in CB? He's our only proper player in that position.

TheBishop

16-11-2008, 14:23

Maybe because Toure and Gallas both like bombing forward at times, adding Silvestre there adds extra cover, and Gallas is prefered to Toure obviously because he's captain.

How else would like to see Djourou given a chance in the near future? He's big, strong and quick. Him and Song looked pretty impressive i thought against Wigan.

Meyyappan

16-11-2008, 14:24

Mjällharth

16-11-2008, 14:25

I'd take Djourou over that big-headed alien every day.

TheBishop

16-11-2008, 14:30

Silvestre signed a 2 year deal but i think he was brought in this season as extra cover into the squad with Senderos at Milan. I'm hoping (or maybe praying) Senderos will learn a lot from his year in Italy, afterall there aren't many better places to perfect the art of defending than Italy. He could still be an important player for us in the future.

Just to confirm, Fabregas will be suspended for the Man City game after his 5th booking.

Joel

16-11-2008, 17:16

Meyyappan

16-11-2008, 17:43

But Wenger said he shall decide about it

Keyser Soze

16-11-2008, 17:43

The answer is, and always has been, a big yes.

The line up yesterday was the same as against Man U.

We beat Man U with that team, so for the last time, our team is good enough. That's a fact. You don't beat Man U by fluke.

Atleast not when Man U want to win the game they are playing,are concentrated and know that the opposition is a threat.If they underestimated the opposition and lost thats an another thing.

Almunia, Silvestre, Gallas, Clichy, Fabregas, Bendtner - these seem to be the most obvious ones. But the point is that these players played against Man U, played well, and beat Man U.Nasri scored the goals, but every player played their part. Our team, and also our squad, is good enough.

And we certainly do not have a problem beating physical teams at all this was showed when we teethered Bolton and Blackburn.Let me piont that they were away games as well.

I refuse to believe that we can't play against big, physical sides. We're better than that, and we've shown glimpses of the fact that we can compete physically when we need to. It's just the case of finding a winning formula.

So, what's the problem then? In my opinion, our problem is neatly summed up in one word: Attitude.

Against teams like Hull, Fulham, who we should beat, we need to be mentally ready to play at our best to beat sides that will be well up for the game. We need to be fighters.

We need to get players like Fabregas and Van Persie fully fit and firing on all cylinders. And that's up to Mr Wenger. I don't blame him at all for team selection, or tactics this year. I think, on the whole, they've been fine this season. However, Wenger must now surely realise that some players need a big kick up the back side, and it's up to him to dish that out.

If I were manager, I'd do lots of things, but at the end of the day, Wenger is manager, rightly so, and we need Wenger at the helm if we're going to win anything this season. So let's just get behind the team, and wait for these dark clouds to pass.

Winning the England League is not the only way our season can be a success,if we solve out our problems and finish a respectable 4-5 pts off the title and win the f.a and carling it would be a success,then next season we can assault the pl as we would have all our players from the beginning e.g rosicky,eduardo and wenger more determined than ever with our second string maturing enough to become good back up,also our our first 11 would be one year older.

Dude, this is embarrassing. You can see which bits have been copied and which bits have been added onto by the amount of typos and concept of the English language. [insert face palm]

ThierryHenry14

16-11-2008, 17:45

Where is Meyyapan actually from?

wrigh2uk

16-11-2008, 17:47

The answer is, and always has been, a big yes.

The line up yesterday was the same as against Man U.

We beat Man U with that team, so for the last time, our team is good enough. That's a fact. You don't beat Man U by fluke.

Atleast not when Man U want to win the game they are playing,are concentrated and know that the opposition is a threat.If they underestimated the opposition and lost thats an another thing.

Almunia, Silvestre, Gallas, Clichy, Fabregas, Bendtner - these seem to be the most obvious ones. But the point is that these players played against Man U, played well, and beat Man U.Nasri scored the goals, but every player played their part. Our team, and also our squad, is good enough.

And we certainly do not have a problem beating physical teams at all this was showed when we teethered Bolton and Blackburn.Let me piont that they were away games as well.

I refuse to believe that we can't play against big, physical sides. We're better than that, and we've shown glimpses of the fact that we can compete physically when we need to. It's just the case of finding a winning formula.

So, what's the problem then? In my opinion, our problem is neatly summed up in one word: Attitude.

Against teams like Hull, Fulham, who we should beat, we need to be mentally ready to play at our best to beat sides that will be well up for the game. We need to be fighters.

We need to get players like Fabregas and Van Persie fully fit and firing on all cylinders. And that's up to Mr Wenger. I don't blame him at all for team selection, or tactics this year. I think, on the whole, they've been fine this season. However, Wenger must now surely realise that some players need a big kick up the back side, and it's up to him to dish that out.

If I were manager, I'd do lots of things, but at the end of the day, Wenger is manager, rightly so, and we need Wenger at the helm if we're going to win anything this season. So let's just get behind the team, and wait for these dark clouds to pass.

Winning the England League is not the only way our season can be a success,if we solve out our problems and finish a respectable 4-5 pts off the title and win the f.a and carling it would be a success,then next season we can assault the pl as we would have all our players from the beginning e.g rosicky,eduardo and wenger more determined than ever with our second string maturing enough to become good back up,also our our first 11 would be one year older.

What is it supposed to tell me then :lol:

And greg did not have many more years left in him thats why he was sold not because he was not good enough.

tbh theres no way im reading all of that

and hes from India TH14

vanNistelrooy

16-11-2008, 18:15

Where is Meyyapan actually from?
Twatland.

DJ Clue

16-11-2008, 18:22

^^ :lol2:

JoeyM

16-11-2008, 20:44

Cesc has already packed his bags, it's obvious.

And congrats to Bendtner, one of the worst performances from an Arsenal striker I've seen in ages. We'll never get anywhere with jokers like him.

uA - 1905

16-11-2008, 21:08

Rene Adler's the goalie that you guys need.

TheBishop

16-11-2008, 22:21

Cesc has already packed his bags, it's obvious.

And congrats to Bendtner, one of the worst performances from an Arsenal striker I've seen in ages. We'll never get anywhere with jokers like him.

I doubt it but even if he has, he's still under a long term contract so I'm sure Wenger would try and get as much as possible. If he rated Adebayor at 30 million, how much would he be asking for Cesc?

Bendtner's always been hit or miss for me. He didn't look like an Arsenal type player to start with.

Dundon's

16-11-2008, 22:30

TheBishop

16-11-2008, 22:38

Jay Simpson's only 5''11 so he won't be used as a target man. I agree about Bendtner being a good bench player. Last season especially he came on and got some crucial goals. I still think it would have done him good to have gone on loan to another Prem team first, he did well at Birmingham but that was in the Championship.

Dundon's

16-11-2008, 22:41

Jay Simpson could play up top for me mate, reminds me of Darren Bent and a young Heskey, what I'm more or less saying is he's powerful. Regardless he's still not ready for the 1st team, maybe next season he might feature in the squad more if he's going to make it at all.

TheBishop

16-11-2008, 22:46

I haven't seen that side to his game yet so I'll have to wait and see. We'll see him again against Burnley so will be keeping an eye on him. He definitely seems to have the pace and finishing ability though.

Again, I can see him going out on loan to another Prem team next season. It won't happen in January but I'm sure someone like West Brom would be delighted to take him.

Viperized

17-11-2008, 00:06

Bendtner gives us something different and is the perfect bench player to replace Ade when he's out or if the manager wants to keep one up top. As frustrating as he can be sometimes he's not a bad player to have as an option considering he's still developing and is very young.

Now the only other option we do have is Jay, but is he ready to come in as an out and out target man for when Ade is again not available?
Bendtner has been awful in just about every game he has played this season. The only possible exception is when he played against Sheffield in the CC.

He looks out of place in this side and does not look like improving.

But Bendtner isn't the sole problem of this side. There are other players who are simply aren't good enough and are more of a hindrance to the squad than an aid.

AgentZero

17-11-2008, 02:01

Manucho is our equivalent of bendtner, but with less games.

TheBishop

17-11-2008, 12:08

Manucho is our equivalent of bendtner, but with less games.

Yet both of them seem to play really well for their countries.

mufcsean

17-11-2008, 13:40

Yet both of them seem to play really well for their countries.

Well anybody can look good playing for Angola to be honest, not a dig at Angola but let's face it, they aren't even close to being the biggest team in Africa never mind anywhere else. As for Denmark, they have done nothing for a while and most of their big players are either retired or about to.

Meyyappan

17-11-2008, 14:48

The Brazilian midfielder has been outstanding for the Tuscan side this season, and he has raised a number of eyebrows around Europe - none more so than those of Gunners boss Arsene Wenger.

Firenzeviola.it claims that the North London club sent their scouting team to watch Melo in action against Bayern Munich last week and against Atalanta on Sunday, when the player scored his first Serie A goal.

Melo was in red hot form in both games and thus Wenger will be recieving good news from his assistants.

Reports suggest the midfielder's reprasentative Jose Rodri Baster was approached with an offer from the English club, although it is unlikely Fiorentina will let their player go.

I Gigliati bought the star from Spanish side Almeria last season for €8 million and he is considered one for the future.

Felipe's contract runs until 2013 and it doesn't seem as through the Artemio Franchi side will be keen on selling one of their most prized assets.

Arsenal have always been keen on youth, but Cesare Prandelli is a huge fan of Melo and thus any future deal may be impossible.

Interesting and what do you guys think of De Jong?He would be a more attainable target.

And oh my god i have commited a sin in the court mufc sean who sees the unseen,i have copied the article from a sports site,a crime i say crime.

nickpring

17-11-2008, 14:56

I think De Jong would be a great signing for you. He's a great player who works hard. He could be the player you need in your midfield to help Cesc.

I don't know much about Felipe Melo but saw him a few times last season for Almeria, he was a pretty good player.

L . F . C

17-11-2008, 15:03

Rene Adler's the goalie that you guys need.

A good call.

I am disappointed by Arsenal this season though, I really was expecting more from them.

I think Villa may beat them to fourth this year:ninja:

wrigh2uk

17-11-2008, 19:43

A good call.

I am disappointed by Arsenal this season though, I really was expecting more from them.

I think Villa may beat them to fourth this year:ninja:

I'm glad you did I always predicted we'd be battling it out for fourth along with you lot , but I give it to you guys your looking very good at the moment.

TheBishop

17-11-2008, 20:46

Dundon's

17-11-2008, 21:24

Staying in the top 10 and winning the champions league would do me mate.

Meyyappan

18-11-2008, 05:09

It just shows how important Hleb, Flamini and before they got injured, Eduardo and Rosicky, were last season.

Would anyone else be happy if we finished 4th but won the FA or Carling Cup? or both? Obviously if we won the Champions League then it would go down as a great season anyway.

Yes.If we win both trophies and finish fourth but only 4-5 pts of the title thats fine with me.So long we solve our attitude problems and all our players improve individually during the course of the season.

That would mean we only lost the title due to early mistakes like the slip-ups to Hull,Villa,Sunderland and Fulham.So we can be sure that next season this would not happen and our players would have not only improved mentally but also become stronger talent-wise.

But now if we are going to finish some 6-9 pts off the title unconvincingly or when the league is already won and the new champions start to lose points and we catch up thats useless.

If that is going to be the case Wenger(he will know) better make the CL our main objective.Because in that competition we underestimate no-one and are ususally underdogs.In those circumstances this team on its day can beat any other team on its day except maybe Barca who shall be our main rivals.The rest we can beat them and maybe Chelsea will cause us some problems.

I.N Extasy

18-11-2008, 06:15

this team on its day can beat any other team on its day except maybe Barca.

:rolleyes:

Dundon's

18-11-2008, 07:05

It's just a case of what day the match is on then isn't it.

TheBishop

18-11-2008, 20:14

Arsenal striker Nicklas Bendtner has expressed his desire to become a more regular fixture in Arsene Wenger's starting XI.

The 20-year-old Dane has made 15 appearances for the Gunners this term, recently leading the line in the absence of the injured Emmanuel Adebayor and suspended Robin van Persie.

But Bendtner is keen to press for a more consistent role, amid a testing time for Arsenal following their fourth Premier League loss of the season.

He said: "So far this season I haven't played as much as I would have liked. But I'm sure it will come and I'll keep working hard in training."

Defending
Bendtner is currently away with Denmark and feels his time with the national side over the last two years has helped develop his game.

"When I first started playing I wasn't the team player I could be - and now I am starting to adapt the way I should and have been doing well for them," Bendtner said on Arsenal TV Online.

"When I came in I was 18, and you are young in your mind and young on the pitch - you didn't know where to stand and what position to be in. You didn't realise that if you lose the ball you have to be the 11th defender.

"I have that in my game now, and it has changed me a lot."

It's gonna be hard for him especially with Van Persie back now and Adebayor getting over his injury. He has had good games when he's played with a partner upfront but he's shown he can't play as a lone striker.

Vela will most likely not be available against Man City as Mexico are playing Honduras in a Qualifier ( I'm guessing in the early morning on Thursday our time ).

mufcsean

18-11-2008, 20:22

It's gonna be hard for him especially with Van Persie back now and Adebayor getting over his injury. He has had good games when he's played with a partner upfront but he's shown he can't play as a lone striker.

Vela will most likely not be available against Man City as Mexico are playing Honduras in a Qualifier ( I'm guessing in the early morning on Thursday our time ).

I think what make it even harder is the fact that he is shit, he will never ever be a be a permanent fixture in the first team

TheBishop

18-11-2008, 20:28

I think what make it even harder is the fact that he is shit, he will never ever be a be a permanent fixture in the first team

Well yeah based on current form it looks pretty bleak. I'm sure Wenger will know when the time is right whether to keep him or let him go.

uA - 1905

18-11-2008, 22:12

Someone tell him that he's shit.

TheBishop

18-11-2008, 22:23

Fuck Sake!!!!!!!! :realmad::no:

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_4518285,00.html

TheBishop

19-11-2008, 12:52

I'm glad to hear this:

Johan Djourou is pushing Arsenal's more experienced centre backs all the way at the moment, according to Arsène Wenger.

The 21-year-old is currently away with Switzerland preparing for their game with Finland this evening.

However Wenger has been highly impressed by Djourou's recent leap forward and has been singing his praises to Swiss coach Ottmar Hitzfeld.

In addition, the Frenchman believes the youngster can challenge Arsenal's experienced trio of Kolo Toure, William Gallas and Mikael Silvestre for a permanent place in the heart of the Arsenal defence.

"Johan Djourou is not comparable to the player he was six months ago," said the manager before the weekend.

"He has gained in personality, in determination and in quality. I spoke with the Swiss national team coach last week and I was telling him how good he is.

"He is pushing all the other players [at Arsenal]. At the back you want players who are strong in the duels and strong in the air. Johan's size is a big advantage. He is among the top quality."

Still haven't heard any news on Theo's injury yet.

Rossy Boy

19-11-2008, 13:02

Said on SSN around 3 months apparently.

TheBishop

19-11-2008, 13:19

It's not confirmed yet.

Dragonfly

19-11-2008, 13:23

It's a good thing that Theo isn't a bitter and spiteful chap.

TheBishop

19-11-2008, 13:26

I just hope this isn't going to be a re-occuring thing for him. He's had shoulder injuries in the past. Brian Robson was plagued with them during his career, i pray this doesn't happen to Theo.

blob123

19-11-2008, 15:45

Fuck Sake!!!!!!!! :realmad::no:

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_4518285,00.html

Some might say we have bad luck with friendlies but since when are they a new invention. Every club has to cope with them.
They hurt us more than most because we let them. We have no reasonable backups. It's our policy. "Backups will hamper the development of youth. It will stop their progress". Arsene knows. So they say

If AW wasn't trying to be too clever and did things like the traditional manager, Walcott's injury wouldn't hurt as much. Walcott isn't even 1st team material but the fact that his absence is going to hurt us, speaks volumes.
It's a shame though because Walcott was starting to get his game together and we are seriously going to miss his pace. A major setback for him.

The latest from Myles Palmer
Fabregas sees what Gary Lewin knew was coming
by Myles Palmer

http://www.arsenalnewsreview.co.uk/index.p...nt01returnid=42 (http://www.arsenalnewsreview.co.uk/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,de tail,0&cntnt01articleid=1121&cntnt01returnid=42)

wrigh2uk

19-11-2008, 16:50

Van Buyten: Arsenal Are A Top Club, But...
Belgium centre back Daniel van Buyten insists he is happy at Bayern Munich, but states that Arsenal are a top side...

Van Buyten: Arsenal Are A Top Club, But...
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Arsenal have long had partnership problems in the centre of defence. Kolo Toure was a member of Arsenal's famous 'Invincibles' and an Ivory Coast international, while captain of the club William Gallas won league titles for former side Chelsea and has been capped a plethora of times for France, but they are yet to form an imposing rear-guard for the Gunners.

Both players are 6'0, and are their styles are regarded as too similar. Arsenal also lack a defender who can command the air, a no-nonsense bruiser who can get stuck in while Toure or Gallas could sweep up and pass or bring the ball out of defence.

Gunners boss Arsene Wenger recently claimed that Swiss international Johan Djourou (6'3) may be granted increased pitch time. Djourou will provide the Arsenal with some much needed height, as one of the areas where the side have been slipping up recently is from set plays.

Buyten Down

Belgium international Daniel van Buyten, 30, has been sounded out in the press as a potential transfer target for the red side from north London, and his 6'5 frame, vast international experience, together with his experience at the top level in the Bundesliga with Hamburg and Bayern Munich could help Arsenal's defensive woes.

Van Buyten has not managed to hold down a regular position at Bayern of late, insists he is happy at the club, but could not help but state his admiration for the Gunners.

"I am still good at Bayern and I want to stay there," Van Buyten is quoted by Setanta Sports as saying.

"I understand I am going to play less regularly this season, but I am focused on doing my best, without looking for a new club.

"I must say Arsenal are a top club," he continued. "But I am good at Bayern and there is still enough time to take a decision, we will see what happens during the winter."

Goal.com

He would be my Christmas present if he came to us, I think him and Gallas at the back would just be immesne. Would give Wenger the chance to move Toure up to Centre Mid, but its a dream I know :(

TheBishop

19-11-2008, 17:13

I'm not sure why Wenger doesn't try Toure in Centre midfield next to Cesc.

I can't see Wenger signing a 30 year old, even if he is a centre back. I like the look of Mertesacker. He's younger and hasn't reached his peak yet. But firstly, Djourou deserves a chance. I'll be watching him (Mertesacker) closely tonight if he's playing.

RB14 ARSENAL

19-11-2008, 17:27

Mertesacker would be a good signing and a realistic target, he plays for Werder Bremen and a switch to Arsenal would be a massive forward step for him. However, I like Djourou and I feel that he deserves a chance. He's mile better than Senderos when he was starting for us.

But of course I would rather have Micah Richards. He's awesome. Isn't he a Arsenal fan aswell? We would have to pay like £20m for him so there's no chance Arsene'll sign him. Wenger only likes to spend a few million on unknown players with potential, rather than players who are proven and have experience at high level.

We just need some experience in the team, some players in their late-20's to be role model's for the younger ones, and to bring some much-needed discipline into the side.

Would Stephen Appiah be good for us? He may have had some injury problems recently but he could provide experience and some strength to the team. He's a similar player to Vieria? Could he be the player alongside Fabregas?

Viperized

19-11-2008, 17:30

Some might say we have bad luck with friendlies but since when are they a new invention. Every club has to cope with them.
They hurt us more than most because we let them. We have no reasonable backups. It's our policy. "Backups will hamper the development of youth. It will stop their progress". Arsene knows. So they say

If AW wasn't trying to be too clever and did things like the traditional manager, Walcott's injury wouldn't hurt as much. Walcott isn't even 1st team material but the fact that his absence is going to hurt us, speaks volumes.
It's a shame though because Walcott was starting to get his game together and we are seriously going to miss his pace. A major setback for him.

The latest from Myles Palmer
I'll have to complete agree with that Myles article to be honest.

Wenger has got it wrong this season. Injuries to just about everyone, players getting suspended, defence is in shambles and we've lost four games already.

We should play the likes of Vela and Ramsey against City. If we see the likes of Diaby and Song on the wings with Bendtner up front, we're going to struggle in that game again.

It would be great if Toure started in midfield alongside Cesc, but Toure has never looked like playing there and Sagna is injured, so he is probably going to fill in RB. I think he'd be perfect in midfield. Strong, a good tackler, great stamina and is quite useful in attack. He can add some steel in the middle of the park.

TheBishop

19-11-2008, 17:34

Yeah RB14, Richards is an Arsenal fan, but as you say, Wenger won't want to pay the money for him.

Wenger was asked about Appiah in August and he ruled out signing him. I'm surprised no one has taken him on yet.

Viperized, Vela has a qualifier late tonight against Honduras, meaning he'll be back late and jet lagged. It doesn't look like he'll be starting on Saturday.

Meyyappan

19-11-2008, 17:46

So that means the players we should get are de jong,ronaldo,appiah/makalele,one of the inter cbs and de jong can play at full back.Cost will be aroud 20m and there will be back up and experience for the rest of the season with becks and ronaldo and makalele.

TheBishop

19-11-2008, 17:48

Beckham, Makelele, Ronaldo? :huh:

I.N Extasy

19-11-2008, 17:50

Meyyappan?

What. The. Fuck.

Joel

19-11-2008, 18:03

Dundon's

19-11-2008, 18:06

Djourou looks as solid as anyone we have in CB when he plays, I think that lad has a future with us and maybe this is why Wenger isn't forking out on a new defender.

Makes sense if he has what it takes but this year he needs more 1st team appearances, I'd like to see how he gets on in a big match.

TheBishop

19-11-2008, 18:12

I posted an article on Djourou on the previous page, with Wenger saying he is catching up the experienced first teamers. As a pure athlete, he's got everything you need. Him and Song will continue in the Carling Cup, and hopefully he'll get a shot with the 1st team in the league.

Dundon's

19-11-2008, 18:17

For sure and by the looks of things with our current league form we're not going to be pushing for the title, so with that said if we can secure a champions league place it'll give some great opportunities to the younger lads.

I'm just going to take the good with the bad this year.

TheBishop

19-11-2008, 18:23

I have the same expectations mate. The league was always going to be really tough, even if we had no injuries.

Hopefully secure 4th place as quickly as possible.Then hopefully see the likes of Djourou, Ramsey, Wilshere, Vela tested in the league.

Joel

19-11-2008, 18:26

Found this on another forum:

Phase One
After featuring for Arsenal Youth/Reserves you make a few appearances in the League Cup, and impress.
At this stage currently - Jack Wilshere

Phase Two
You'll either be sent out on loan or be used sparingly, seeing out the last 5 minutes of matches.
At this stage currently - Armand Traore

Phase Three
You will return from your loan amid tales of how you lit up the x, y, z stadium will be told. You'll feature a fair bit.
At this stage currently - Bendtner, Vela

Phase Four
You're in the first team. Full seasons, starting week in week out, you've made it and can be confident of starting. You're not at your best yet but you're just a kid after all.
Currently at this stage - Denilson

Phase Five
Wow you're really good now, but isn't it annoying with all these kids around? Surely you're beyond this and should be surrounded by top players challenging for honours rather than waiting on the promises that have been coming for a while now and not delivered on.
Currently at this stage - Fabregas

Phase Six
Fuck this. I want loads of money and I want to play at a team with some prestige. No more playground footy, endless triangles I'm off to a big team, my contracts nearly up anyway.
Currently at this stage - Flamini (next season Fabregas)

:lol:

Dundon's

19-11-2008, 18:34

Phase Seven
Fuck I can't emulate what I used to do week in week out with Arsenal and I miss the fans singing my name.
Currently at this stage - Henry

.....

Joel

19-11-2008, 18:45

Phase Eight
I've found my best form again, I've been the best in my position in the league this season and I now reek of awesomeness.
Currently at this stage - Ashley Cole

:smug:

TheBishop

19-11-2008, 22:48

Absolutely gutted

Arsène Wenger has indicated that Theo Walcott will be out for “at least three months” after picking up a shoulder injury on England duty this week.

The 19-year-old suffered a dislocation on Tuesday in the build-up to the 2-1 win in Germany. It appears that the problem will keep him sidelined until well into 2009.

"[Theo] dislocated his shoulder during training, he will be out for at least three months," said Wenger while commentating on France v Uruguay for French TV channel TF1

Arsenal.com will have more news on Walcott’s injury on Thursday afternoon.

Meyyappan

20-11-2008, 06:07

Absolutely gutted

Do not be all that down guys,Vela shall take the left whilst Nasri move over to the right.

TheBishop

20-11-2008, 11:53

Vela got sent off for Mexico last night. :shocking:

Nasri is better on the left as he likes to cut inside onto his right foot, similar to how Pires played. Although i can still see him being switched with Diaby playing on the left.

Meyyappan

20-11-2008, 12:28

Pop goes Walcott's shoulder so this may force wenger's hand in January.

So Jokes aside the players we should seriously try to get are:

Éver Banega(He has the defensive skills,anything more is a + like his technique and passing range http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne5B09zO1oY&feature=related would not get in Fabs way,just like Gago)He would be 16m well spent.

Alessandro Gamberini/Andrea Barzagli(or the like).

So if we cannot get Banega due to his price might as well go for De Jong.

The ronaldo,becks and maka were jokes.

mufcsean

20-11-2008, 12:30

Pop goes Walcott's shoulder so this may force wenger's hand in January.

So Jokes aside the players we should seriously try to get are:

Éver Banega(He has the defensive skills,anything more is a + like his technique and passing range http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne5B09zO1oY&feature=related would not get in Fabs way,just like Gago)He would be 16m well spent.,Alessandro Gamberini/Andrea Barzagli(or the like).

Are you suggesting that your earlier recommendations for signings were jokes?

Got to feel or Walcott, s it the same side shoulder that he did against Stoke?

Oh and i doubt Valencia will let Banega go, they have only just signed him, and loaned him out or experience. Top player though.

TheBishop

20-11-2008, 12:37

mufcsean

20-11-2008, 12:38

Ah fuckinhell thats not good, both shoulders fucked at his age.

TheBishop

20-11-2008, 12:40

I know, like i said on the last page. Brian Robson was plagued with shoulder injuries during his career, i hope that isn't going to be the case with Theo.

Meyyappan

20-11-2008, 12:49

Are you suggesting that your earlier recommendations for signings were jokes?

Got to feel or Walcott, s it the same side shoulder that he did against Stoke?

Oh and i doubt Valencia will let Banega go, they have only just signed him, and loaned him out or experience. Top player though.

Ofcourse.Wenger does not want to go for older players,in case it hampers the youth,now imagine him getting Ronnie(31),Becks(33),Maka(34).

Heard Van Skillz scored 2,how was his performance?

By the way Banega's favoured position is DMF just like Gago.

TheBishop

20-11-2008, 14:21

William Gallas has revealed the Arsenal squad has been victim of 'complaining', 'insults' and 'problems' this season.

The Gunners have endured a poor start to the campaign, losing four of their opening 13 Premier League matches.

Gallas, who is captaining the side for a second term, has borne the brunt of criticism in the past - most notably after his public demonstration of emotion at Birmingham City last season.

The France international is disappointed he has been made a scapegoat and has now explained of unrest in the Emirates Stadium camp, and in turn demanded his team-mates discover their fighting spirit.

Insults
"When, as captain, some players come up to you and talk to you about a player...complaining about him... and then during the match you speak to this player and the player in question insults us," Gallas told AP. "There comes a time where we can no longer comprehend how this can happen.

"I am trying to defend myself a bit without giving names. Otherwise I'm taking it all (the blame). It's very frustrating," he said. "I'm 31, the player is six years younger than me."
He also revealed a bust-up at half-time of the 4-4 draw with rivals Tottenham Hotspur - a match Arsenal were winning 4-2 with just minutes remaining.

Gallas continued: "There was a problem at half-time. The only thing that I could say at half-time was, 'Guys, we resolve these problems after the match, not at half-time.'

"We have to understand that to be champions, you have to play big matches every weekend and fight. We are coming up against teams who are not scared to play football against us, who are not scared to take us on at our place, and this is becoming dangerous for Arsenal.

Warriors
"We are not brave enough in battle. I think we need to be soldiers. We have to be warriors. There are teams who can do it well against us, and we have to be able to face up to these attacks."

Gallas went on to conclude that it is imperative for the club that they lift silverware after Arsenal last tasted glory back in 2005, when they lifted the FA Cup.

He added: "I have to win something this year. I have to win something, Arsenal has to win something. It's four or five years since Arsenal won anything - 2004 (the league title). That's nearly five years, and that's not good.

"For me the title is not over, it's true that we are nine points behind Chelsea, but you have to be optimistic and you can't give up."

I worked out that narrows it down to either Sagna, Eboue or Van Persie. I can't imagine it being Sagna as their international teamates. Both Eboue and Van Persie can be hot heads.

Anyway, this is just depressing to read because the team spirit that Wenger goes on about is obviously not there.

Meyyappan

20-11-2008, 15:35

I worked out that narrows it down to either Sagna, Eboue or Van Persie. I can't imagine it being Sagna as their international teamates. Both Eboue and Van Persie can be hot heads.

Anyway, this is just depressing to read because the team spirit that Wenger goes on about is obviously not there.

Ah now i understand it is not Wenger not signing players that is the problem,he could not have anticipated this as we heard none of it last season.

I do wonder on what they could have disagreements:no:

Mjällharth

20-11-2008, 16:11

Gallas. What a f*cking mong.

nickpring

20-11-2008, 16:25

Are you suggesting that your earlier recommendations for signings were jokes?

Got to feel or Walcott, s it the same side shoulder that he did against Stoke?

Oh and i doubt Valencia will let Banega go, they have only just signed him, and loaned him out or experience. Top player though.

There were/been rumours though that Valencia are actually prepared to let him leave on a permanant basis. Apparently, becuase he didn't show his class while there last season, and mixed with Valencia's constant financial problems, they were apparently ready to let him go.

However, I don't think that's the case now though, and will probably be back at Valencia, next season.

TheBishop

20-11-2008, 16:33

Gallas. What a f*cking mong.

It's taken me until now to realise that the captaincy for us is a big problem. Even though Gallas is probably our best centre back at present, there needs to be changes.

Dundon's

20-11-2008, 16:47

The Theo injury is absolutely devastating, couldn't of came at a worst time to be honest. I wonder if this will force Arsene to play Vela more out wide?, the obvious replacement is Eboue though.

RB14 ARSENAL

20-11-2008, 16:58

As much as Eboue is capable of playing down the right wing, I don't rate him at all. I honestly think Sagna could be a better right winger than Eboue is. Sagna has better pace, a much better accurate cross and he is much more reliable than Emmanuel. Eboue was a cracking right back for us, particularly the year when we made the Champions League Final.

This is an area Arsene needs to/should improve in the January transfer market, even more so due to Theo's tragic injury :faceplm: It really is a shame because Theo has been really good for us this year, now Hleb's pissed off to Barcelona. He may not be strong but when he is on the ball, you can feel that excitement and he can change the momentum of the game with his electric pace. He is a nightmare for the left-back.

Perhaps Arsene could try Van Persie on the left? I know Nasri has been brilliant on the left wing for us this season, he is right footed so he could be used on the right?

Dragonfly

20-11-2008, 17:24

This will probably mean Ramsey will play more games. Wilshire may even get a go on the right, cutting in, like Nasri on the opposite side.

I.N Extasy

20-11-2008, 17:26

Berry, as has been mentioned earlier, Nasri cuts in a lot and that puts his right foot to use when he does so from the left wing.

TheBishop

20-11-2008, 17:54

This will probably mean Ramsey will play more games. Wilshire may even get a go on the right, cutting in, like Nasri on the opposite side.

Absolutely. Ramsey fitted into international football straight away so I have no problems with him getting more games. I'd love to see Wilshere start but I wouldn't want to see any pressure put on him.

Some injury news, Toure is most likely going to miss the Man City game, Eboue is still out. And Eduardo returns to training next week. :wub:

Mjällharth

20-11-2008, 18:37

It's taken me until now to realise that the captaincy for us is a big problem. Even though Gallas is probably our best centre back at present, there needs to be changes.

Even if he's on a rather bad streak at the moment, isn't Kolo better? And would seem to be a better leader as well.

My Time

20-11-2008, 18:43

I know i'd say when both are at the top of their game, Gallas is a better centre-back than Kolo.

TheBishop

20-11-2008, 19:31

Toure can still be very important, but he needs a similar partner like that of Sol Campbell next to him. That partnership helped us go unbeaten all season. The closest player we have to Sol at the moment is Djourou.

RB14 ARSENAL

20-11-2008, 19:47

This will probably mean Ramsey will play more games. Wilshire may even get a go on the right, cutting in, like Nasri on the opposite side.

I hope so. Ramsey and Wilshere are awesome!

AgentZero

20-11-2008, 23:11

I worked out that narrows it down to either Sagna, Eboue or Van Persie. I can't imagine it being Sagna as their international teamates. Both Eboue and Van Persie can be hot heads.

Anyway, this is just depressing to read because the team spirit that Wenger goes on about is obviously not there.
Eduardo is also 25, could it be he carrying on from the sidelines?

Guillermo

21-11-2008, 10:32

Arsenal captain William Gallas has attacked his team-mates and called into question their courage to challenge for the England League title.

"We are not brave enough in battle. I think we need to be soldiers. To be champions, you have to play big matches every weekend and fight," said Gallas.

Gallas, 31, also accused an unnamed player of disrupting team morale.

Arsenal have yet to comment on Gallas's extraordinary outburst but his position as skipper will again be scrutinised.

"We would think that by now Arsene Wenger would know the kind of person he wants as captain," former England boss Graham Taylor told BBC Radio 5 Live.

"And if it isn't working for him, make those changes. He knows his players better than any of us. He knows what he is looking for as a leader as a captain.

"If he feels that Gallas isn't doing that then I think he is wrong if he continues with him."

Saturday's 2-0 defeat by Aston Villa made it four losses in total this term for Arsenal, leaving them nine points adrift of Chelsea and Liverpool.

Speaking to the Associated Press, Gallas added: "We are coming up against teams who are not scared to play football against us, who are not scared to take us on at our place, and this is becoming dangerous for Arsenal.

"We have to be warriors. That is how the team will forge their character and experience."

Frenchman Gallas has come under severe personal scrutiny as Arsenal skipper, most recently receiving criticism after being photographed leaving a nightclub with a cigarette in his mouth.

And he was also barracked following a show of petulance at the end of his side's 2-2 draw with Birmingham City last season - and he has admitted friction is creeping into the Arsenal camp.

"There was a problem at half-time of the 4-4 draw with Tottenham," he said. "The only thing that I could say at half-time was 'guys, we resolve these problems after the match, not at halftime'."

Gallas revealed that on another occasion some Arsenal players had been insulted by their own team-mate.

"When as captain some players come up to you and talk to you about a player... complaining about him... and then during the match you speak to this player and the player in question insults us, there comes a time where we can no longer comprehend how this can happen," he said.

Gallas would not reveal the pl