View Full Version : I Fear the Worst for Pes 2009
gunnerfan07
19-11-2007, 20:20
Hi Pro Evo Players
I have a bad feeling that next years version is just going to be another small update by konami. Reading the posts and forums there is a lot of pissed of people and you cant blame them they bought the game. Now the FA are joining not allowing there stuff to be used in the game. I would say all the FIFA fans are laughing their ass off. Have any of you guys any comments on this maybe konami will make a brilliant game but the way its going with this pro evo I really dont think so......
zeemeister
19-11-2007, 21:52
A little premature dont you think?
-The Trooper-
19-11-2007, 22:30
Your Avatar makes me premature ... If I ignore her face ... :\
Yes ... I'm back.
MatTheCat
19-11-2007, 22:36
A little premature dont you think?
Not really...the writing has been on the wall ever since the series peaked with PES3. Fair enough, Konami cited the limitations of the PS2 as the limiting factor preventing the series being enhanced. Well, we now have 360, PS3, and of course high spec gaming PC's. So where the fuck is our super next gen Pro Ev Soccer?
Instead of delivering Konami have just churned out another lame arsed game engine tweak with slightly better graphics, but with all the same old aggravating flaws....MADE WORSE THAN FUCKING EVER BEFORE!!!
Nope, bottom line is that for me, PES2008 signals the end of an era. Konami are showing no sign of having anything special up their sleeves other than their age old trick of removing essential features so that they can re-introduce them in a later game and call it an improvement.
Roll on Sensible World of Soccer Online for the PC. Until then, I have no footie game to play.
Not really...the writing has been on the wall ever since the series peaked with PES3. Fair enough, Konami cited the limitations of the PS2 as the limiting factor preventing the series being enhanced. Well, we now have 360, PS3, and of course high spec gaming PC's. So where the fuck is our super next gen Pro Ev Soccer?
Instead of delivering Konami have just churned out another lame arsed game engine tweak with slightly better graphics, but with all the same old aggravating flaws....MADE WORSE THAN FUCKING EVER BEFORE!!!
Nope, bottom line is that for me, PES2008 signals the end of an era. Konami are showing no sign of having anything special up their sleeves other than their age old trick of removing essential features so that they can re-introduce them in a later game and call it an improvement.
Roll on Sensible World of Soccer Online for the PC. Until then, I have no footie game to play.
I agree with that - unless konami read all of this and pull it out the bag next year then there are no football games to play...
Obv people arent that impressed with the game on here but we're still posting about it, im not buying fifa.
gunnerfan07
20-11-2007, 09:48
I 100% agree with that what ever has happend to konami the reason we are on these forums is because we love the pro evo series and as huge fans are rightly pissed off. I really think they need to take a long hard look at themselves and realise that if its the same shit next year there will be a lot of new fifa fans.
LarssonIsGhod
20-11-2007, 09:53
The thing with new pro evo games is what exactly can they do, as MatTheCat said the game looks to have peaked. All they can do is iron out the flaws but i dont see what drastic changes could be made
gunnerfan07
20-11-2007, 10:09
So you think thats the best now that konami can offer on next gen I dont think so there has to be more that they can do. Any ideas anybody?????????
So you think thats the best now that konami can offer on next gen I dont think so there has to be more that they can do. Any ideas anybody?????????
i think they need to concentrate on working on the existing issues before creating new ones.
LarssonIsGhod
20-11-2007, 11:57
i think they need to concentrate on working on the existing issues before creating new ones.
Agreed,
if they can sort out the minor problems (Refs, keepers, defence) then thy can think about Major improvements
No point learning to run if you cant walk
Considering they're working with "next-gen" consoles, and they're working on their 3rd installment for the Xbox 360. I will be disappointed with anything less than incredible if I'm honest. Fair enough if they can't afford all the licenses, but at least give us the editing tools to change the teams to our liking. The possibilities are supposed to be there.
Why can't we have 50 stadiums ?
Why can't we have 30 balls ?
Why can't we have 30 boots ?
Why can't we have 50 kit templates ?
Why can't we have a 3rd kit, and the choice of kits in League modes etc. ?
Why can't we have a stadium/ball/boot editor ?
Why can't we have 100 spaces for camera editing ?
Why can't we have 3 Divisions in the Master League ?
Why can't they use real currency in the Master League, even "Euros" ?
Why can't they balance the defence and attack evenly ?
Why can't they slow the game down, or even give us the choice again ?
Why can't we change emblems like we could about 5 years ago ?
Why can't they remove the cheating from the AI ?
Why can't we choose the net types for the goals etc. ?
Why can't we have a smooth online mode ? Even PES6 was successful.
Why can't we have more than 1 vs. 1 ?
Why can't we play a Master League with our friends in the same team online ?
Get it sorted Konami, there's no point in removing the majority of the features, and then bringing them back a couple of years later and expecting everyone to believe they're immense and fresh.
simononestop
20-11-2007, 13:22
I would say all the FIFA fans are laughing their ass off.
I wouldn't care because FIFA fans have no idea what game play is (they have the small bit of your brain which is stimulated by game play numbed at birth) and they are still flogging the dead horse!! thats why i laugh my ass off.......
fifa fans says" but we got all the names!!" hits run run run run run takes round 9 players and shoots with a single press of the shoot button which decides itself how powerfull the shot is!!!!!!!!!
(i give them the original FIFA's on the mega drive was class..but thats it).
Hi Pro Evo Players
I have a bad feeling that next years version is just going to be another small update by konami. Reading the posts and forums there is a lot of pissed of people and you cant blame them they bought the game. Now the FA are joining not allowing there stuff to be used in the game. I would say all the FIFA fans are laughing their ass off. Have any of you guys any comments on this maybe konami will make a brilliant game but the way its going with this pro evo I really dont think so......
Why? Cos they're all playing an overhyped, over easy, expensive game that plays absolutely nothing like it's real life counterpart? Licences aside Fifa is utter gash. Gameplay is number one for me, always has been, it's a bit like shagging a totally beautiful bird who is as stupid and ignorant as they come(Fifa), its alright at first and then you just think "what the fuck am i doing?" then you come across a lass who isn't quite as pretty but still well worth a lenghthing (Pro Evo) then you realise she's not only a great shag but is intelligent and funny too, jackpot.
LarssonIsGhod
20-11-2007, 13:45
Considering they're working with "next-gen" consoles, and they're working on their 3rd installment for the Xbox 360. I will be disappointed with anything less than incredible if I'm honest. Fair enough if they can't afford all the licenses, but at least give us the editing tools to change the teams to our liking. The possibilities are supposed to be there.
Why can't we have 50 stadiums ?
Why can't we have 30 balls ?
Why can't we have 30 boots ?
Why can't we have 50 kit templates ?
Why can't we have a 3rd kit, and the choice of kits in League modes etc. ?
Why can't we have a stadium/ball/boot editor ?
Why can't we have 100 spaces for camera editing ?
Why can't we have 3 Divisions in the Master League ?
Why can't they use real currency in the Master League, even "Euros" ?
Why can't they balance the defence and attack evenly ?
Why can't they slow the game down, or even give us the choice again ?
Why can't we change emblems like we could about 5 years ago ?
Why can't they remove the cheating from the AI ?
Why can't we choose the net types for the goals etc. ?
Why can't we have a smooth online mode ? Even PES6 was successful.
Why can't we have more than 1 vs. 1 ?
Why can't we play a Master League with our friends in the same team online ?
Get it sorted Konami, there's no point in removing the majority of the features, and then bringing them back a couple of years later and expecting everyone to believe they're immense and fresh.
I'm getting excited just imagining half of the possibilities!!!
Maybe they will listen for once and incorporate what the people really want.
simononestop
20-11-2007, 14:02
I'm getting excited just imagining half of the possibilities!!!
Maybe they will listen for once and incorporate what the people really want.
def with you on this one!! I mean think about it they wouldn't have to spend any money on research!! and development!! just ask the fans, i mean its the fans who have really taken this game to another level themselves!! I bet all the bits we notice from playing this darn game too much, konami dont even know about!! how many fans have lost a lot of their lives to this game lol ... I have!!
LarssonIsGhod
20-11-2007, 14:04
Pro evo IS life!
Consider maybe they won't include licensed content, stadiums and all that crap. They never do anyway. What can they do to improve gameplay? Watch a real match for example, that would be a good start. And play more Football Manager.
1) Pace. It's all wrong in PES 2008. Variable pace throughout the match would be a bliss, although I don't know how they could implement it in a 10/15-min game. A good start would be having the AI players not pressing and running like crazy throughout the entire match, having (most) AI teams give the f*ck up already and let go of the match when they're losing 5-0 at 70 min, etc. I can also think of an "anxiety" stat, like a momentum thing, that will make a side play faster but have greatly reduced accuracy in their passing, especially inexperienced/crappy players. I have many ideas like this to try and bring the simulation closer to the pace of a real match. Basically, I think players should have more mentality stats, and incorporate some of the FM teachings. If a player can't handle pressure, then maybe his accuracy and speed can be dropped a bit for important matches or tense moments of the match. Teams should also have stats as a whole, and this could be reflected in the in-game animations. For example, a lot of protesting and reprimanding teammates instead of clapping when a pass is not good. A general teamwork stat would be welcomed. When buying/selling a great number of players, at least some teams should take their time to adapt and improve their accuracy/teamwork. Runs and overlaps could also be affected by players not understanding each other very well.
Confidence or momentum is another thing I'd like to see implemented.
As you can see, there are a LOT of things that can be done to the game.
2) Massive AI improvement. This will bring about a lot of advantages, namely no more cheating to make the game harder, actually being a difficult game, and being able to intelligently implement things in point 1.
Basically that's it. Both points I wrote here are vital, and I don't think one can be implemented without the other. However, PES as it is now would be a good game with just point 2.
I think you're on to something with that anxiety stat thing there PacMan, but I'm not sure it'd be fair if you were one-nil down and your centre forward misses a sitter because a stat has altered his abilities since half time or whatever. Mabe it'd apply only to CPU players, but I think there's an idea in that.
On teamwork, there's already a stat for that isn't there? If you sign someone in the ML then their link-up with other members of the team is not so great to begin with.
And I think on the AI front they're halfway there. I think the TeamVision is good, you really notice when you're a goal down and the CPU sticks eleven men behind the ball. Don't forget they've probably re-coded most of the game, and in an effort to improve it they lost some of the better AI from older versions. That's what I'd like to think anyway...
anxiety and momentum would be great! especially for derbys and 6 pointers toward the end of the season
TheOwlz86
20-11-2007, 23:10
Ok... What are the main reason's people are pissed off with this years PES?
my main reason is the saved ML team reverts to original stats.
I think the gameplay is better than PES6
I think you're on to something with that anxiety stat thing there PacMan, but I'm not sure it'd be fair if you were one-nil down and your centre forward misses a sitter because a stat has altered his abilities since half time or whatever. Mabe it'd apply only to CPU players, but I think there's an idea in that.
Actually I think it should apply to your team as well. It'd suck to miss a goal because of that, but it DOES happen in real life. Of course the player has to have a really bad day, or he has to be very young/cowardly. Or just plain bad luck, as well.
It would also bring more value to experienced players, those who have been in many finals (or relegation battles!) and know how to keep focused and not lose their temper when things don't go so well, or when you're 0-0 in a tense match and nearing the end.
On the other issue, I know the AI has some better things this time around (and some other things that are worse), but I'd like to see a REALLY good AI, one that would require intelligent tactic/strategic planning, for example. You know, build a tactic according to your team and the team you're playing against (i.e. is it better for you to play down the wing and send the ball to a lone tall forward? or maybe base your game on short passing team moves, etc.) There's something like this already, but the flaws of the game make some tactics brutally inefficient or, alternatively, a flat-out exploit/cheat.
For example, I can tell you that trying to slow the pace of the game when winning is as impossible as trying to play defensive in Top Spin 2 to tire out your opponent. It just won't happen!
Some good ideas popping up in this thread, just been thinking about another one the last day or so. Having player's reputations go against them, or for them in certain situations. Lets say for example Alan Smith or Joey Barton commit a foul, in a similar way to which Theo Walcott or Ryan Giggs may do. However Smith and Barton are more likely to receive a booking due to their reputation. It may sound a bit strange but I think it would give the players a sense of more individuality. If you're playing a League lets say, it doesn't matter about the squad because they're likely to be booked due to human control. But it would be more realistic if reputations can go before someone, meaning a player like Essien is more likely to pick up bookings and therefore suspensions as opposed to Wright-Phillips etc.
Not sure how this would work, maybe just a little Reputation bar kind of like Condition, and the greener it is the less likely you are to be booked. However if it's red or orange etc, you could be targetted at times.
It could also work for diving too obviously etc.
simononestop
21-11-2007, 14:22
thats is an intressting idea!!
Bring back vinnie jones his bar would be black!! for bad ass!!
LarssonIsGhod
21-11-2007, 14:23
that would only work if there was a progression
I.e the more cards you get the more (if i use your example) you go into the red
and also it should work vice versa if barton/smith/essien never recieve cards they should be able to go into the green
It sounds like a good idea but it would be difficult to implement into the game to become part of the game instead of a novelty
that would only work if there was a progression
I.e the more cards you get the more (if i use your example) you go into the red
and also it should work vice versa if barton/smith/essien never recieve cards they should be able to go into the green
It sounds like a good idea but it would be difficult to implement into the game to become part of the game instead of a novelty
A very slow progression though, because as we all know reputations are hard to build. Konami could easily set a base for players though, let's say Alan Smith would be pure Red, it would take him ages without picking up cards or very little cards before it gradually moves up to another colour etc.
LarssonIsGhod
21-11-2007, 14:29
that would be a damm good idea, how would it be included with out looking like a novelty. Konami try different things ever year (this year its diving on next gen) that have a real mixed opinion. Reputation would deffinetly get a mixed reception
gazbonner
22-11-2007, 02:16
Not really...the writing has been on the wall ever since the series peaked with PES3. Fair enough, Konami cited the limitations of the PS2 as the limiting factor preventing the series being enhanced. Well, we now have 360, PS3, and of course high spec gaming PC's. So where the fuck is our super next gen Pro Ev Soccer?
Instead of delivering Konami have just churned out another lame arsed game engine tweak with slightly better graphics, but with all the same old aggravating flaws....MADE WORSE THAN FUCKING EVER BEFORE!!!
Nope, bottom line is that for me, PES2008 signals the end of an era. Konami are showing no sign of having anything special up their sleeves other than their age old trick of removing essential features so that they can re-introduce them in a later game and call it an improvement.
gazbonner
22-11-2007, 02:17
i'm in the same boat, thank christ i rented the game first this year.
somegooner
22-11-2007, 17:22
<i>Why can't we have 30 balls ?</i>
Wow man aren't 2 balls enough??
:laugh:
Nice one gooner :P
Hi Pro Evo Players
I have a bad feeling that next years version is just going to be another small update by konami. Reading the posts and forums there is a lot of pissed of people and you cant blame them they bought the game. Now the FA are joining not allowing there stuff to be used in the game. I would say all the FIFA fans are laughing their ass off. Have any of you guys any comments on this maybe konami will make a brilliant game but the way its going with this pro evo I really dont think so......
I think pes2009 will be amazing next year because konami will relise how some peaple started liken fifa better so they will try to mka pes2009 better
legend0977
23-11-2007, 16:44
Considering they're working with "next-gen" consoles, and they're working on their 3rd installment for the Xbox 360. I will be disappointed with anything less than incredible if I'm honest. Fair enough if they can't afford all the licenses, but at least give us the editing tools to change the teams to our liking. The possibilities are supposed to be there.
Why can't we have 50 stadiums ?
Why can't we have 30 balls ?
Why can't we have 30 boots ?
Why can't we have 50 kit templates ?
Why can't we have a 3rd kit, and the choice of kits in League modes etc. ?
Why can't we have a stadium/ball/boot editor ?
Why can't we have 100 spaces for camera editing ?
Why can't we have 3 Divisions in the Master League ?
Why can't they use real currency in the Master League, even "Euros" ?
Why can't they balance the defence and attack evenly ?
Why can't they slow the game down, or even give us the choice again ?
Why can't we change emblems like we could about 5 years ago ?
Why can't they remove the cheating from the AI ?
Why can't we choose the net types for the goals etc. ?
Why can't we have a smooth online mode ? Even PES6 was successful.
Why can't we have more than 1 vs. 1 ?
Why can't we play a Master League with our friends in the same team online ?
Get it sorted Konami, there's no point in removing the majority of the features, and then bringing them back a couple of years later and expecting everyone to believe they're immense and fresh.
have to say mate,some great ideas there,those little changes would make a whole lotta difference to the game alone,never mind the licenses,cos that can all be sorted out i`m sure!
can u tell me,is there anywhere that i can check out how to use GGS an AFS and all that stuff for editing cos i`d like to learn how to do it but i`m a novice an this an havent a clue by jus opening the program?? thanks if u do
Considering they're working with "next-gen" consoles, and they're working on their 3rd installment for the Xbox 360. I will be disappointed with anything less than incredible if I'm honest. Fair enough if they can't afford all the licenses, but at least give us the editing tools to change the teams to our liking. The possibilities are supposed to be there.
Why can't we have 50 stadiums ?
Why can't we have 30 balls ?
Why can't we have 30 boots ?
Why can't we have 50 kit templates ?
Why can't we have a 3rd kit, and the choice of kits in League modes etc. ?
Why can't we have a stadium/ball/boot editor ?
Why can't we have 100 spaces for camera editing ?
Why can't we have 3 Divisions in the Master League ?
Why can't they use real currency in the Master League, even "Euros" ?
Why can't they balance the defence and attack evenly ?
Why can't they slow the game down, or even give us the choice again ?
Why can't we change emblems like we could about 5 years ago ?
Why can't they remove the cheating from the AI ?
Why can't we choose the net types for the goals etc. ?
Why can't we have a smooth online mode ? Even PES6 was successful.
Why can't we have more than 1 vs. 1 ?
Why can't we play a Master League with our friends in the same team online ?
Get it sorted Konami, there's no point in removing the majority of the features, and then bringing them back a couple of years later and expecting everyone to believe they're immense and fresh.
yeah i agree man
Not really...the writing has been on the wall ever since the series peaked with PES3. Fair enough, Konami cited the limitations of the PS2 as the limiting factor preventing the series being enhanced. Well, we now have 360, PS3, and of course high spec gaming PC's. So where the fuck is our super next gen Pro Ev Soccer?
Instead of delivering Konami have just churned out another lame arsed game engine tweak with slightly better graphics, but with all the same old aggravating flaws....MADE WORSE THAN FUCKING EVER BEFORE!!!
Nope, bottom line is that for me, PES2008 signals the end of an era. Konami are showing no sign of having anything special up their sleeves other than their age old trick of removing essential features so that they can re-introduce them in a later game and call it an improvement.
Roll on Sensible World of Soccer Online for the PC. Until then, I have no footie game to play.
That is a really cool post, it describes PES perfectly. Great post mate, probably the best one I've seen about PES/Konami.
From what I can figure out it seems that Seabass still hasent figured out the next gen consoles everything has been cut back since we9. I wait and extra 6 mos for the game and this year I get 13 stadiums and a edit mode I could do without. I bought FIFA for the first time and i refuse to play it. I want all the teams of FIFA and most of the major stadiums and there is no reason this cant happen.
muzza798
09-04-2008, 00:17
pes would be quality if they just copied fifa's off the pitch stuff like the franchise mode where u have coaches and finances etc. gameplay needs to be more random and the physics engine re-worked to make the players move more realistically and the refs are unforgiveingly bad. they are unrealistically accuret. some bad decisions tossed in the game would be annoying but isint that the reason we all love and talk about football cos of the contraversy. fans need to be more realistic an sing well known songs and they need pitches like anfield where the fans are in your face.
IMPROVE THE COMMENTRY 100% USE NBA COMMENTRY AS AN EXAMPLE OF A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHATS HAPPENING ON THE PITCH
KONAMI, QUIT ALL YOUR OTHER DODGY GAMES AND PUT ALL FUNDING INTO PES!!!
any1 agree? SOS FOR CAPS BUT IM ANGRY
winston0024
09-04-2008, 13:19
i have been a PES fan for many years like a lot of people on here, i have to admit i only liked pes2008 for a v.short time and that was only when playing international matches (couldnt stomach masterleague lol) i think the thing that can make these games better is like people are saying the editing issue, there is only so far you can take a game of football anyway.
but the only thng fifa has on PES is the licences so why dont PES make it easy to edit your own like someone said stadiums, balls, kits, boots, why not nets as well, correct me if im wrong but PES6 on the ps2 has different shapes and colours of the goal netting but on the 360 PES6 and PES2008 it one one colour one shape,
im eagally awating the next PES as i do every year i still play PES 6 all the time think im in season 2019 on master league lol i just hope the next issue of PES will please the fans of pro evolution otherwise whats the point in making the game.
also i do not think konami hit thier peak at PES3 i had PES3 and it was ace PES4 & 5 was even better PES6 was simply AWESOME! so i think konami and that seabass guy have the capability of NOT making the next PES game shit, they know what went wrong with PES2008 everone on here could tell them that for free they know what the fans want why dont they just make the best ever game of football out there and not give a shit about weather the crowd looks too unrealistic or stupid shirt pulling put some realistic graphics on and some realistic skill moves realistic goal keepers and a decent refferee, even throw in the odd "bad decision" every now and again have lines men over rulling the ref controversial decision BUT NOT STUPID ASS BUGS you know what im saying like what happens in a REAL game of football. thats what i wouldnt mind seeing
i have been a PES fan for many years like a lot of people on here, i have to admit i only liked pes2008 for a v.short time and that was only when playing international matches (couldnt stomach masterleague lol) i think the thing that can make these games better is like people are saying the editing issue, there is only so far you can take a game of football anyway.
but the only thng fifa has on PES is the licences so why dont PES make it easy to edit your own like someone said stadiums, balls, kits, boots, why not nets as well, correct me if im wrong but PES6 on the ps2 has different shapes and colours of the goal netting but on the 360 PES6 and PES2008 it one one colour one shape,
im eagally awating the next PES as i do every year i still play PES 6 all the time think im in season 2019 on master league lol i just hope the next issue of PES will please the fans of pro evolution otherwise whats the point in making the game.
also i do not think konami hit thier peak at PES3 i had PES3 and it was ace PES4 & 5 was even better PES6 was simply AWESOME! so i think konami and that seabass guy have the capability of NOT making the next PES game shit, they know what went wrong with PES2008 everone on here could tell them that for free they know what the fans want why dont they just make the best ever game of football out there and not give a shit about weather the crowd looks too unrealistic or stupid shirt pulling put some realistic graphics on and some realistic skill moves realistic goal keepers and a decent refferee, even throw in the odd "bad decision" every now and again have lines men over rulling the ref controversial decision BUT NOT STUPID ASS BUGS you know what im saying like what happens in a REAL game of football. thats what i wouldnt mind seeing
What's the point in making a crappy game that will not be well received by the fans?? Money, nothing more and nothing less.
By making crappy games, Konami can always Introduce or Re-Introduce (like so many times before) features that will make the game better - In other words, that's Konami's way of securing customers for each year's version. There are so many things that can be easily improved, and some of this "things" will probably be improved for the next version - Thus, many of us will buy the next version.
INTER_4_EVER
10-04-2008, 06:21
i cant believe KONAMI arent they JAPANESE shouldnt they be smart as hell... i mean they went to school from monday threw saturday 5 AM threw 4 PM... and thats what we get an average game with the exception of the gameplay... :@ .... you cant have this lazy ass EA beat konami the creaters of Solid Snake Series... in my opion EA makes the worst sports games ever
This thread had died some months ago, but I see people still need to try FIFA 08 (try meaning play more than 2 games before throwing it away because you can't score or 'pass it right') before mouthing stuff about PES only being behind on the licenses. I wish! Those were old times now gone.
Not trying FIFA on principle is stupid. Not buying it because EA "rips you off" and then buying PES 2008, is doubly stupid.
This thread had died some months ago, but I see people still need to try FIFA 08 (try meaning play more than 2 games before throwing it away because you can't score or 'pass it right') before mouthing stuff about PES only being behind on the licenses. I wish! Those were old times now gone.
Not trying FIFA on principle is stupid. Not buying it because EA "rips you off" and then buying PES 2008, is doubly stupid.
I have both PES and FIFA 2008 - Both suck!! although I actually enjoy playing FIFA08 a bit more. But still, both games give a ridiculous amount of importance to Pace!! Pace is not Skill, it feels like Konami replaced Skill for Pace - it gets really boring, really fast. Many people think FIFA08 is better, that's how bad PES 2008 is.
retrofooze
11-04-2008, 22:40
In an interview i watched, Seabass stated that 2008 was not next generation due to the fact that the production team didnt have enough time to do it since they have to completely start over and by the time of release it wouldnt be up to scratch. He said himself 2008 was a disappointment.
However, he did say that 2009 should be a massive improvement and be the first truly next generation version of pes 2009 so stop moaning :)
Also EA have liscensing fees, as has been said repeatedly, so stop asking for proper teams and all that bullshit
In an interview i watched, Seabass stated that 2008 was not next generation due to the fact that the production team didnt have enough time to do it since they have to completely start over and by the time of release it wouldnt be up to scratch. He said himself 2008 was a disappointment.
However, he did say that 2009 should be a massive improvement and be the first truly next generation version of pes 2009 so stop moaning :)
Also EA have liscensing fees, as has been said repeatedly, so stop asking for proper teams and all that bullshit
I don't really care about the licenses, those are only details. However, PES 2008 was a huge disappointment and - Seabass just before the release of PES 2008 said "I am most satisfied about the fact that we accomplished both, the Graphics and the Game Play" "I can guarantee you'll have fun playing it".
So what IF Seabass said it will be a massive improvement?? Do you not see that he is merely selling the game. It is only normal that he will say something like "PES 2009 will be a next generation game, a huge improvement", Seabass is just selling the game dude. Maybe after the release of PES 2009, Seabass will say "We didn't had the time required to do a next gen game, bla, more excuses, bla, bla.."
And after that, we'll probably read comments like "PES 2010 is a massive improvement, it is the reason people bought a PS3". Seabass and Konami are just selling the game, don't take too seriously what they say because you'll probably get scammed. I was a huge PES Fan, but PES 2008 has been a huge disappointment, not worth playing at all, and Seabass has lost all credibility to me. However, I do hope PES 2009 is a good football game, football games should be much better no excuses.
matrix28
12-04-2008, 00:43
I don't really care about the licenses, those are only details. However, PES 2008 was a huge disappointment and - Seabass just before the release of PES 2008 said "I am most satisfied about the fact that we accomplished both, the Graphics and the Game Play" "I can guarantee you'll have fun playing it".
So what IF Seabass said it will be a massive improvement?? Do you not see that he is merely selling the game. It is only normal that he will say something like "PES 2009 will be a next generation game, a huge improvement", Seabass is just selling the game dude. Maybe after the release of PES 2009, Seabass will say "We didn't had the time required to do a next gen game, bla, more excuses, bla, bla.."
And after that, we'll probably read comments like "PES 2010 is a massive improvement, it is the reason people bought a PS3". Seabass and Konami are just selling the game, don't take too seriously what they say because you'll probably get scammed. I was a huge PES Fan, but PES 2008 has been a huge disappointment, not worth playing at all, and Seabass has lost all credibility from me. However, I do hope PES 2009 is a good football game, football games should be much better no excuses.
U are right,its no more about satisfying us.I have been buying and playing Pes right from the 1st one. Now I am really disappointed with konami. PES08 was just made to make money. Not enough resources was put into it. what the outcome of pes09 will be, i don't know but the truth is that I will not make the mistake of buying any pes game in the 1st few wks of its release. Next time I'll rather rent one. I personally don't expect much changes on pes09. However, all I want is the possibility for us to do more editting to the game ourselves. Lets face it, we are all disappointed with Konami. It is time they listen to us
U are right,its no more about satisfying us.I have been buying and playing Pes right from the 1st one. Now I am really disappointed with konami. PES08 was just made to make money. Not enough resources was put into it. what the outcome of pes09 will be, i don't know but the truth is that I will not make the mistake of buying any pes game in the 1st few wks of its release. Next time I'll rather rent one. I personally don't expect much changes on pes09. However, all I want is the possibility for us to do more editting to the game ourselves. Lets face it, we are all disappointed with Konami. It is time they listen to us
Well, the Edit Mode of PES 2008 is ridiculous. Is there a good reason at all to justify why I had a better editing mode in the PS2?? Shouldn't the PS3 feature a better Editing Mode? Personally, I think konami would make a lot of fans happy by featuring Maradone, Pele, Valderrama, Cruijff, Romario, Beckenbauer, etc, etc.. with their REAL FACES. I mean, plenty of (us) PES Fans use the editing mode to create versions of Maradona and Pele - It would be well appreciated if Konami did that for us. So IF Konami features the "Classic Players" with their real faces (names are unimportant) - I don't see much use in the editing of the faces.
However, the editing of the uniforms should be far better. I'd be pleased if I could create a decent uniform with plenty of possibilities -instead of- the greatly limited PES 2008 Uniform Editing.
Also, it would be very cool if the "classic players" have their 'real names'. I mean, how cool would it be to be using Maradona and hear the commentaries going "Diego Armando Maradona!!". It would be awesome, although maybe it is not possible for one reason or another.
And apart from the editing options, Konami still NEEDS to make huge improvements on all areas of the game; the game play, the online play, the graphics, the skills system, etc, etc.. Konami needs a good-finished-next gen PES to gain credibility.
o0oGedo0o
12-04-2008, 22:42
Well, the Edit Mode of PES 2008 is ridiculous. Is there a good reason at all to justify why I had a better editing mode in the PS2?? Shouldn't the PS3 feature a better Editing Mode? Personally, I think konami would make a lot of fans happy by featuring Maradone, Pele, Valderrama, Cruijff, Romario, Beckenbauer, etc, etc.. with their REAL FACES. I mean, plenty of (us) PES Fans use the editing mode to create versions of Maradona and Pele - It would be well appreciated if Konami did that for us. So IF Konami features the "Classic Players" with their real faces (names are unimportant) - I don't see much use in the editing of the faces.
However, the editing of the uniforms should be far better. I'd be pleased if I could create a decent uniform with plenty of possibilities -instead of- the greatly limited PES 2008 Uniform Editing.
Also, it would be very cool if the "classic players" have their 'real names'. I mean, how cool would it be to be using Maradona and hear the commentaries going "Diego Armando Maradona!!". It would be awesome, although maybe it is not possible for one reason or another.
And apart from the editing options, Konami still NEEDS to make huge improvements on all areas of the game; the game play, the online play, the graphics, the skills system, etc, etc.. Konami needs a good-finished-next gen PES to gain credibility.
i was very disappointed with pes2008, fifa 08 just edged it while euro 2008 is leaving nothing but dust for pes2008 to chew on. These Japanese dudes better come up with something massive in the next couple of months or they'll fall on their backs and die. People now buy the game just because of its reputation, nothing more and nothing less. So i really hope that people stop these nostalgic moments and stop being such fanboys. I mean we all play football game because we love the real thing not because konami have breastfed us for so long now we can't let go of that tit.
winston0024
13-04-2008, 12:45
this might sound a bit crazy here now but......i have fifa 08 and pro evo 08 on the 360, over the years i always get both because i love playing footy games always have done since kick off on the commador64 but i really prefair pro evo usually, out of the 2 games pro evo 08 and fifa 08 they are both shit the only thing i like doing on the m is at the biginning on fifa 08 where you can chose a player and have some shots at goal thats it,
ive just bought pro evo 08 on the wii this is really good actually!!
my advice to anyone who likes pro evo like i do either play pro evo 6 or f*ck 360 f*ck ps3 and get pro evo 08 on the wii
bezza2011
14-04-2008, 22:17
i still don't understand your moaning and how anyone can say that fifa is better.
stick a ps2 on and a ps3 and get pro evo 08 running side by side deary me i can tell the difference straight off the bat, the gameplay is far better you have a hell of a lot more control over the player im not sure why u are all complaining as i#ve just come from my friends who has the game for ps2 the movement of the player is so delayed compared to the ps3, the gameplay is as good as it should be, what people talking about pace is more important than skills well the reason why, because it is, you see the modern game of football and the likes of torres sprinting past that is how the game plays just players dont dare run anymore of fear of being dropped because squads are so big these days.
yes pro evo 08 isnt what we all expect, no it isnt up to the standard we want it at but think about it this way they had to start from scratch, they cudn't use the pro evo 06 which was on 360 which can i remind u was the worsed ever pro evo game i have ever played. please all stop your moaning because end of the day we are still al playing the game i can go on anytime day or nite and get a good game of footy off online the lag is rubbish sometimes but sometimes it holds up, there isnt much slowdown.
anyway to the fifa is better how the hell is it, fifa still feels like that ball is glued to your feet, they run like there floating its just the same old fifa with hyped up graphics ok i admit the gameplay is getting a little better to control but it just doesnt have the feeling of a pro evo game.
stop your moaning and whining about it, we aint gonna get a perfect football game yet let them have time and anyway pro evo 08 isnt even that bad, it plays and feels like every other pro evo game there is and that is change, deary me its like ur all forgetting each pro evo game, they were all different, first and second were about the same but pro evo 3 was so different, pro evo 4 was so different agen wiv a more arcadey yet still simulation which kept u hooked for ages, pro 5 was a step up a little more real and more control, pro 6 was an even different experience with many pro evo fans not liking the whole to real feeling to it and the ref's omg how bad and now with this one i think its a step in the right direction. u aint ones for a true football experience if ur all sayin pro evo 08 shit sh*t because its far from tht.
i still don't understand your moaning and how anyone can say that fifa is better.
stick a ps2 on and a ps3 and get pro evo 08 running side by side deary me i can tell the difference straight off the bat, the gameplay is far better you have a hell of a lot more control over the player im not sure why u are all complaining as i#ve just come from my friends who has the game for ps2 the movement of the player is so delayed compared to the ps3, the gameplay is as good as it should be, what people talking about pace is more important than skills well the reason why, because it is, you see the modern game of football and the likes of torres sprinting past that is how the game plays just players dont dare run anymore of fear of being dropped because squads are so big these days.
yes pro evo 08 isnt what we all expect, no it isnt up to the standard we want it at but think about it this way they had to start from scratch, they cudn't use the pro evo 06 which was on 360 which can i remind u was the worsed ever pro evo game i have ever played. please all stop your moaning because end of the day we are still al playing the game i can go on anytime day or nite and get a good game of footy off online the lag is rubbish sometimes but sometimes it holds up, there isnt much slowdown.
anyway to the fifa is better how the hell is it, fifa still feels like that ball is glued to your feet, they run like there floating its just the same old fifa with hyped up graphics ok i admit the gameplay is getting a little better to control but it just doesnt have the feeling of a pro evo game.
stop your moaning and whining about it, we aint gonna get a perfect football game yet let them have time and anyway pro evo 08 isnt even that bad, it plays and feels like every other pro evo game there is and that is change, deary me its like ur all forgetting each pro evo game, they were all different, first and second were about the same but pro evo 3 was so different, pro evo 4 was so different agen wiv a more arcadey yet still simulation which kept u hooked for ages, pro 5 was a step up a little more real and more control, pro 6 was an even different experience with many pro evo fans not liking the whole to real feeling to it and the ref's omg how bad and now with this one i think its a step in the right direction. u aint ones for a true football experience if ur all sayin pro evo 08 shit sh*t because its far from tht.
Dude, Football Fans like you really annoy me. Do you really think PACE is more important than SKILL?? Because by that logic, we would have 100s Cristiano Ronaldos by now, myself included.
The modern game?? What about it? You think because is faster it makes pace more important - news flash for you; Cesc Fabregas, Juan Roman Riquelme, Diego, Del Piero, Zinedine Zidane, Luis Figo, John Terry, and many more are (were) SLOW. Truth be told, both Pele and Maradona would make Cristiano Ronaldo and Kaka look like amateurs - today. The modern game!! people say it like if it was an improvement. Football has simply changed, it hasn't improved - watch some damn match footage from the 1980s and 1990s, SKILL is and always will be more important than PACE.
And by the way, if you think PES 2008's game play is good.. I feel for you dude, really. The players move in a FIFA-Like way, the Game Play is boring as hell, scoring goals is depressing, Defending is a myth, the online play is ridiculous, the editing modes are useless, the list keeps going and going. And hey, if you like that - That's fine with me, you're the one who'll get scammed time and time again. We moan because PES 2008 is not close to being a good football game, let alone a Next Gen Football Game.
Joe Cool
16-04-2008, 01:46
Dude, Football Fans like you really annoy me. Do you really think PACE is more important than SKILL?? Because by that logic, we would have 100s Cristiano Ronaldos by now, myself included.
The modern game?? What about it? You think because is faster it makes pace more important - news flash for you; Cesc Fabregas, Juan Roman Riquelme, Diego, Del Piero, Zinedine Zidane, Luis Figo, John Terry, and many more are (were) SLOW. Truth be told, both Pele and Maradona would make Cristiano Ronaldo and Kaka look like amateurs - today. The modern game!! people say it like if it was an improvement. Football has simply changed, it hasn't improved - watch some damn match footage from the 1980s and 1990s, SKILL is and always will be more important than PACE.
And by the way, if you think PES 2008's game play is good.. I feel for you dude, really. The players move in a FIFA-Like way, the Game Play is boring as hell, scoring goals is depressing, Defending is a myth, the online play is ridiculous, the editing modes are useless, the list keeps going and going. And hey, if you like that - That's fine with me, you're the one who'll get scammed time and time again. We moan because PES 2008 is not close to being a good football game, let alone a Next Gen Football Game.
Get lost and mind your own business, you interfering swine. If he asked for your fucking opinion, he would have done so, but he didn't, did he?
Get lost and mind your own business, you interfering swine. If he asked for your fucking opinion, he would have done so, but he didn't, did he?
Yeah, it's the same case with you "Joe Lame" - Did I asked for your opinion?? By the way, it's not much of an opinion, quite pointless in my opinion. Since this is an open thread, I thought I'd leave my opinion, I don't give a fu*k if you disagree or are somehow offended.
stuandpolar
16-04-2008, 13:26
PES08 is a good game, my favourite game anyway and i play it almost daily for a little bit, we live in a spoilt society and we expect everything to be on a nice shiny plate for us. PES08 was missing alot of features and that is a shame, but it remains the best football game out there by a mile.
i'm sure the next one will be slightly better but we will all moan a bit about that as well.
First off, FIFA is pure shit. Is this PES the best game ever? NO!!! Can they do alot more with it? HELL YEAH! Is it better than FIFA? HOW CAN YO EVEN COMPARE THE TWO!
I fuckin hate Fifa supporters. I had the game only b/c it was released wayyyy before PES. The graphics sucked balls (unless your sooo impressed with actual jerseys, WOW), the players move real weird like,the moves suck and are not all that realistic. You could pull off super moves 3-4 times a game, how many times a game did Zizou actually pull off the Marseille turn???
Seems to me FIFA fans like the fact that it is easy to score goals, easy to pull off moves and this and that. Also the hype about the licensing, how many teams do you really notice??? Are you happy that Toronto FC is in the game?? Can't live without the MLS I guess.
I like PES '08, I agree that it could be better and hopefully next year it will improve on things,but most importantly it boils down to realism. If you appreciate soccer and the subtle nuances of the sport you cannot help but be a lifelong supporter of this game. I can watch an ENTIRE game of soccer just observing a player pass the ball, nothing crazy, just a nice pass, that is what makes this game, not all the crap loaded in FIFA that attracts casual soccer fans and 12 year olds.
I'm out!
First off, FIFA is pure shit. Is this PES the best game ever? NO!!! Can they do alot more with it? HELL YEAH! Is it better than FIFA? HOW CAN YO EVEN COMPARE THE TWO!
I fuckin hate Fifa supporters. I had the game only b/c it was released wayyyy before PES. The graphics sucked balls (unless your sooo impressed with actual jerseys, WOW), the players move real weird like,the moves suck and are not all that realistic. You could pull off super moves 3-4 times a game, how many times a game did Zizou actually pull off the Marseille turn???
Seems to me FIFA fans like the fact that it is easy to score goals, easy to pull off moves and this and that. Also the hype about the licensing, how many teams do you really notice??? Are you happy that Toronto FC is in the game?? Can't live without the MLS I guess.
I like PES '08, I agree that it could be better and hopefully next year it will improve on things,but most importantly it boils down to realism. If you appreciate soccer and the subtle nuances of the sport you cannot help but be a lifelong supporter of this game. I can watch an ENTIRE game of soccer just observing a player pass the ball, nothing crazy, just a nice pass, that is what makes this game, not all the crap loaded in FIFA that attracts casual soccer fans and 12 year olds.
I'm out!
Well, I think FIFA sucks! I partly agree with 'BMI'. Although I would be lying if I didn't say that PES 2008 is just as bad. FIFA Fans like the fantasy of FIFA, they create space via "the right analog stick". On the other hand, PES was always renowned for it's good game play, you created space via "passing and movement".
And yet - can you say PES 2008 haves good game play?? Can you say space is created via passing and movement?? No! everything is created via "PACE". It's like Konami replaced Skill with Pace, I can run circles around defenders. And the defending is ridiculous as well as extremely boring. And also, Scoring Goals lacks an essential feeling, a feeling that old versions of PES had.
So in short - PES 2008 is plain bad, the older versions are better. There is just no justification that can explain why PES was better in PS2!! Shouldn't the PS3 versions be much better?? Didn't we payed for a Next Gen Game?
Alright dude,
I agree with much of what you say, good points!!!
However, I don't dislike PES '08 quite as much as you do. I agree the pace thing is rather silly (play with Nani and run down the right flank, its crazy fast). Also, the speed of the game is alittle much, feels arcadish to me.
In saying that I do notice a difference between players, lesser skilled players passes arn't as accurate as opposed to skilled players who passes are.....well......skilled. I also agree that previous versions were more realistic, although the later versions didn't add much from year to year. To be honest, if Konami had no master league than this game would tank large.
So thats my take, I just hate EA sooooo much, their supports arn't fans of the game, they are just gamers, they have no idea about soccer and the way it is played. They are thesame people that say soccer is boring and that the nets should be larger (faggots). The same is true wil all their games, all homers in baseball, one handed grabs in football and windmill dunks in basketball, just sooo unrealistic.
Cheers.
Joe Cool
18-04-2008, 00:53
Amateur is a fucking mong
Alright dude,
I agree with much of what you say, good points!!!
However, I don't dislike PES '08 quite as much as you do. I agree the pace thing is rather silly (play with Nani and run down the right flank, its crazy fast). Also, the speed of the game is alittle much, feels arcadish to me.
In saying that I do notice a difference between players, lesser skilled players passes arn't as accurate as opposed to skilled players who passes are.....well......skilled. I also agree that previous versions were more realistic, although the later versions didn't add much from year to year. To be honest, if Konami had no master league than this game would tank large.
So thats my take, I just hate EA sooooo much, their supports arn't fans of the game, they are just gamers, they have no idea about soccer and the way it is played. They are thesame people that say soccer is boring and that the nets should be larger (faggots). The same is true wil all their games, all homers in baseball, one handed grabs in football and windmill dunks in basketball, just sooo unrealistic.
Cheers.
Exactly, as I feel - those people who like FIFA don't really know what Football is about. They just want to take an entire team and dribble it via "the right analog stick" - wich is not so bad every once in a while, but after 2 to 6 perfectly executed roulettes.. well, it becomes extremely boring, it becomes extremely arcadish, predictable and boring.
"arcadish" - that is the word to describe PES 2008, it haves a crappy arcadish Game Play. And maybe I'm too harsh on the game, maybe it is not that bad if I play it long enough -but- In my opinion it is just unacceptable that the PS2 versions were better. And I'm already bored with the PS2 versions, so I guess I'm a Fan who's hard to satisfy.
Anyways, I hope someone, anyone -Konami, EA Sports, etc, etc- comes up with a Football game that's worthy of a next gen status.
i was very disappointed with pes2008, fifa 08 just edged it while euro 2008 is leaving nothing but dust for pes2008 to chew on. These Japanese dudes better come up with something massive in the next couple of months or they'll fall on their backs and die. People now buy the game just because of its reputation, nothing more and nothing less. So i really hope that people stop these nostalgic moments and stop being such fanboys. I mean we all play football game because we love the real thing not because konami have breastfed us for so long now we can't let go of that tit.
That man knows.:cool:
I don't buy the PES series over reputation dude. I but the game because it is a more realistic adaptation of real soccer than FIFA is. I could care less about the rep of this game or any other. In fact, most of the games that have all the hype turn out to be rubbish and some of the games that get rated poorly are actually quite good.
Talk about sucking a tit, look at FIFA supporters and the company as a whole. They produce FIFA but didn't/don't (not sure about the recent verision) include the World cup tourney, they release an actual FIFA world cup game, ITS THE SAME FUCKIN GAME!!! They do it with the Euro cup also AND the champions league, talk about dumb fans wasting their money on what is essentially three games that are the same thing!!!
At least Konami does'nt take advantage of stupid supporters of the game (there are enough of us trust, PES fans that is). Justb/c you can sell them based on foolish consumers does not mean you should, says alot about the company and the fans.
Lastly, no f'kin way FIFA edges anything out, I'd rather not play a soccer game than buy that coaster of a game.
PESFan92
18-04-2008, 16:06
I don't buy the PES series over reputation dude. I but the game because it is a more realistic adaptation of real soccer than FIFA is. I could care less about the rep of this game or any other. In fact, most of the games that have all the hype turn out to be rubbish and some of the games that get rated poorly are actually quite good.
Talk about sucking a tit, look at FIFA supporters and the company as a whole. They produce FIFA but didn't/don't (not sure about the recent verision) include the World cup tourney, they release an actual FIFA world cup game, ITS THE SAME FUCKIN GAME!!! They do it with the Euro cup also AND the champions league, talk about dumb fans wasting their money on what is essentially three games that are the same thing!!!
At least Konami does'nt take advantage of stupid supporters of the game (there are enough of us trust, PES fans that is). Justb/c you can sell them based on foolish consumers does not mean you should, says alot about the company and the fans.
Lastly, no f'kin way FIFA edges anything out, I'd rather not play a soccer game than buy that coaster of a game.
Some good points there, but in all honesty FIFA08 is a much improved game than it was put it that way. Alot of members in the past said
"PES is the best soccer game on the planet"
Now we have some saying
"FIFA is an unbelievably good game". Me? i have both FIFA08 and PES2008, what do i play more? well for messing around on Exhibition FIFA08 for Carear Mode? PES2008
I don't buy the PES series over reputation dude. I but the game because it is a more realistic adaptation of real soccer than FIFA is. I could care less about the rep of this game or any other. In fact, most of the games that have all the hype turn out to be rubbish and some of the games that get rated poorly are actually quite good.
Talk about sucking a tit, look at FIFA supporters and the company as a whole. They produce FIFA but didn't/don't (not sure about the recent verision) include the World cup tourney, they release an actual FIFA world cup game, ITS THE SAME FUCKIN GAME!!! They do it with the Euro cup also AND the champions league, talk about dumb fans wasting their money on what is essentially three games that are the same thing!!!
At least Konami does'nt take advantage of stupid supporters of the game (there are enough of us trust, PES fans that is). Justb/c you can sell them based on foolish consumers does not mean you should, says alot about the company and the fans.
Lastly, no f'kin way FIFA edges anything out, I'd rather not play a soccer game than buy that coaster of a game.
I agree with you, that is one of the reason for the WHY I dislike FIFA Fans. They consistently get ripped off with games like FIFA World Cup or UEFA Champions League!! They are all the same exact game, and they could easily add the Champions League to FIFA. However, they don't do it.. and they don't do it because dumb a$$ fans buy their Champions League games (the World Cup games are acceptable, as they only come every 4 years).
About the World Cup games - Wouldn't it be cool if Konami made World Cup games of past World Cups?? Like 1994 World Cup, or 1986 World Cup, etc, etc.. Or it would be even better, if a game included all the best International teams of all times - so I could play 1970 Brazil vs. 1986 Argentina.
But anyways, EA Sports has been ripping people off for years. I mean, EA Sports haves the balls to not only release a crappy football game named FIFA, but also to release another crappy game about the UEFA Champions League. I mean, Why can't they add the Champions League to FIFA?? I guess money is the main priority, they don't give a damn about consistently scamming their own fans.
And lastly, I cannot really say PES 2008 is way better than FIFA 2008, cannot say it. After 1 or 2 weeks of playing PES 2008, the game becomes extremely boring, FIFA-boring in my opinion.
stuandpolar
21-04-2008, 10:13
it's an age old arguement, but the fact remains, for some reason playing FIFA is like ice skating with a ball, and pro evo is actually fun whilst remaining a challenge.
.:jester:.
21-04-2008, 17:18
personaly i rekon that for pes to move forward, they have to look at fifa and incorporate some part of fifas game play, features etc in the future pes games to come. i always buy fifa and pes mostly every year, and on the whole i prefer pes a million times over, but i have to say that fifa des have a lot of good features. take the season for example, you get real money, a little bit of managing, realistic transfers etc plus the tricks do look alot better on fifa lol but still i rekon that pes has to learn from the competition not beat it.
im not sure if this point has already been made cos i didnt bother reading all four pages that has essays of posts lol soz
Kevthedrummer
21-04-2008, 17:38
I don't buy the PES series over reputation dude. I but the game because it is a more realistic adaptation of real soccer than FIFA is. I could care less about the rep of this game or any other. In fact, most of the games that have all the hype turn out to be rubbish and some of the games that get rated poorly are actually quite good.
Talk about sucking a tit, look at FIFA supporters and the company as a whole. They produce FIFA but didn't/don't (not sure about the recent verision) include the World cup tourney, they release an actual FIFA world cup game, ITS THE SAME FUCKIN GAME!!! They do it with the Euro cup also AND the champions league, talk about dumb fans wasting their money on what is essentially three games that are the same thing!!!
At least Konami does'nt take advantage of stupid supporters of the game (there are enough of us trust, PES fans that is). Justb/c you can sell them based on foolish consumers does not mean you should, says alot about the company and the fans.
Lastly, no f'kin way FIFA edges anything out, I'd rather not play a soccer game than buy that coaster of a game.
Is that a slight contradiction?
All in all I'm pretty much with you. There's no doubting that PES was poor this year, but there's also no doubting that FIFA has improved dramatically. And yes, their repackaged titles are rediculous.
Have any of you even gave Euro 2008 a go?
It's been one of the best football game experiences for me since pes5!
Massively improved from fifa 08 which i had no interest in but played now and again with a mate.
players dont look like their skating on the pitch :rolleyes:
Thats just something being said to put fifa down. Maybe it looked like they were in past titles but its obvious it doesn't anymore. Its also obvious those claiming it clearly haven't played fifa in years either.
I was a huge pes fan before 2008, I used to say the same things
"only thing fifa has is licenses"
"its easy to score on fifa"
"the world cup and euro games are blatant clones of fifa"
In truth now i disagree a lot with them comments. Right now more and more people are realising exactly what fifa has to offer. A lot more than licenses. Be a pro is a new and exciting mode, something that can sure as hell be improved on for fifa 09. Its certainly a great mode in euro 2008.
Easy to score!!
Try notching up the difficulty a little for a start. The AI has massively improved from years before. You have to work the pitch with passes to see a path developing in the opponents defence.
In pes i simply made my way to the wing, cross it in and 9/10 get a goal or near miss. :mellow:
Now my third point, the spin offs (WC and Euros)
by all means all games prior to this new euro were exactly rip offs but now they've listened to the fans and took whatever was wrong in fifa 08 and fixed it.
Reaction times have been sped up. animations have been tweaked. Shooting, passing and through balls have also been tweaked. Making the game miles better than pes2008 and even fifa 08.
Its that good that i've made my first ea footie game purchase in 4/5 years.
So instead of coming out with the quotes ive pointed out above. Take a minute, watch a game of football on tv, have a go at euro, notice the much improved gameplay, go back to whatever konami claim as brilliant gameplay then come back and say pes is the game to own. :no:
NikE[;1252260']Have any of you even gave Euro 2008 a go?
It's been one of the best football game experiences for me since pes5!
Massively improved from fifa 08 which i had no interest in but played now and again with a mate.
players dont look like their skating on the pitch :rolleyes:
Thats just something being said to put fifa down. Maybe it looked like they were in past titles but its obvious it doesn't anymore. Its also obvious those claiming it clearly haven't played fifa in years either.
I was a huge pes fan before 2008, I used to say the same things
"only thing fifa has is licenses"
"its easy to score on fifa"
"the world cup and euro games are blatant clones of fifa"
In truth now i disagree a lot with them comments. Right now more and more people are realising exactly what fifa has to offer. A lot more than licenses. Be a pro is a new and exciting mode, something that can sure as hell be improved on for fifa 09. Its certainly a great mode in euro 2008.
Easy to score!!
Try notching up the difficulty a little for a start. The AI has massively improved from years before. You have to work the pitch with passes to see a path developing in the opponents defence.
In pes i simply made my way to the wing, cross it in and 9/10 get a goal or near miss. :mellow:
Now my third point, the spin offs (WC and Euros)
by all means all games prior to this new euro were exactly rip offs but now they've listened to the fans and took whatever was wrong in fifa 08 and fixed it.
Reaction times have been sped up. animations have been tweaked. Shooting, passing and through balls have also been tweaked. Making the game miles better than pes2008 and even fifa 08.
Its that good that i've made my first ea footie game purchase in 4/5 years.
So instead of coming out with the quotes ive pointed out above. Take a minute, watch a game of football on tv, have a go at euro, notice the much improved gameplay, go back to whatever konami claim as brilliant gameplay then come back and say pes is the game to own. :no:
Well, I'm extremely disappointed with both PES 2008 and FIFA08, and I'm already bored of PES 2007 (PES6?). So I'll take a look at Euro 2008, if the DEFENDING has been properly sorted out along with the PASSING - I'll consider buying it.
By the way, I have no biased opinions towards FIFA. It was just the plain truth - PES was a much better Football game than FIFA, crappy graphics, but much better game-play, defending, dribbling, passing and goal-scoring. However, PES 2008 lost that essential feeling that made PS2 PES versions so entertaining and addictive - And FIFA?? FIFA is actually getting there, slowly on purpose, but they are improving.
So anyways, I hope EA Sports 'Euro 2008' is actually good because I don't have a decent football game to play in my PS3.
Well im my opinion euro plays better on the 360 from what i've heard but give the demo a go first off.
Back to the improvements for 2009: CHANGE THE F*CKING SOUNDTRACK! which would be start, i like th eidea a few posts back about hiring/firing coaches etc in master league, consistant refereeing decisions with the odd "bad decision", more editing options is just plain obvious and maybe try to incorporate youth teams into master league to develop your own young stars instead of the pre-chosen 1s u sign in the negotiations. Just ideas but they could work
nikicampos
23-04-2008, 19:38
Back to the improvements for 2009: CHANGE THE F*CKING SOUNDTRACK! which would be start, i like th eidea a few posts back about hiring/firing coaches etc in master league, consistant refereeing decisions with the odd "bad decision", more editing options is just plain obvious and maybe try to incorporate youth teams into master league to develop your own young stars instead of the pre-chosen 1s u sign in the negotiations. Just ideas but they could work
Hahahahha, i think that they can't buy any rights for decent songs ethier, lol. I just think that if PES 2008 had some good songs in fact the game could have looked diferent. What's the deal with Konami lately, it's like thay just don't care about the people who make this game popular...
requiem7
29-04-2008, 17:52
I think that konimi should help the PES community be able to add things to the game. Instead of making it hard not to. get the proper licences and improve the crowd effects and commentary. And iron out a few of the annoying flaws. and sort out the online mode with the lag. thtas the main reason I bought it on pc. But I have heard from friends that the ps3 version has the same problems.
Mourinhosdog
30-05-2008, 17:15
You all think are online is crap, FIFA's is terrible!
Restructuring the Champions League (or King's Cup because I always change the name) is also a must if Konami want to revitalize the Master League.
#1 - I give you a scenario of eight random league and cup champions from four different leagues...
Manchester United - Arsenal
Juventus - AC Milan
Barcelona - Real Madrid
Bayern Munich - Werder Bremen
The idea of championship qualification (be they league or cup) fulfils the criteria of only competition winners qualifying for a Champions League place, maintaining its prestige while also adding importance to the domestic cup competitions, difficulty in qualification (limited spaces) and participation (teams like Ream Madrid and AC Milan trying to squeeze you out of their elite group). I think I speak for a lot of people when I say I'm sick of facing teams like Aston Villa and Middlesborough in a competition that's supposed to be 'reward' for the previous season's hard grafting. This format ensures a healthy rotation of top quality teams entering the competition to prevent the experience from going stale (e.g. Man United/Juventus/Barcelona/Bayern may win the League/Cup one season, Chelsea/Inter Milan/Valencia/Stuttgart the next) while the elimination of a qualification round means there's zero risk of an uneven ratio of teams-per-league. There’s no reason for domestic rivals to clash in the group stage.
#2 -Imagine them split into two groups of four (two league and cup champions per group) with two home and away legs in each tie...
Group A
Manchester United
AC Milan
Barcelona
Werder Bremen
Group B
Arsenal
Juventus
Real Madrid
Bayern Munich
Two groups provide an even distribution of quality throughout the competition. The quality of each side should break the predictability of knowing who’ll qualify from every group. The prospect of two home and away legs between each side (twelve matches for a single side - the same number any team plays en route to the semi-finals of the UEFA Champions League) emphasises the idea of a League of Champions, giving a fair and thorough assessment of how your team ranks when matched with the best the Master League has to offer as well as prolonging the competition over the course of a season. Home & Away form MUST be a factor in deciding a tied group, it's the European way...
#3 King's Cup Final
Group A winner v Group B winner
Nothing really needs explaining here, the two group winners meet in a titanic clash of epic proportions, however, such an occasion needs the appropriate stadia. My suggestion would be allowing us to customize a list of up to ten stadia in the game with 50'000 capacity or higher (Emirates, Allianz Arena, Dragao, Jose Avalade, etc...), or whatever your choice, to be set out at random to host finals for the next ten seasons. Having a fixed destination for every final would be far more realistic than a random, ugly, under-capacity stadium which fails to do the occasion justice.
#4 The Master’s Cup (or European Championship - yes, I do steal these names) - The format would mimic the current Champions League format, eight groups of four teams, home and away leg with the top two qualifying to the knock out round. Qualification would require a top five finish (or lower depending on Champions League qualification). For Example...
1st Manchester United - KC (League Champions)
2nd Chelsea - EC
3rd Arsenal - KC (Cup Champions)
4th Liverpool - EC
5th Everton - EC
6th Tottenham - EC
1st Juventus - KC (League Champions)
2nd AC Milan - KC (Cup Champions)
3rd Inter Milan - EC
4th Roma - EC
5th Fiorentina - EC
6th Udinese - EC
1st Barcelona - KC (League Champions)
2nd Valencia - EC
3rd Villareal - EC
4th Real Madrid - KC (Cup Champions)
5th Atletico Madrid - EC
6th Sevilla - EC
1st Bayern Munich - KC (League Champions)
2nd Borussia Dortmund - EC
3rd Bayer Leverkusen - EC
4th Hamburg - EC
5th Stuttgart - EC
6th Werder Bremen - KC (Cup Champions)
As you may or may not have guessed by this post, I hold a complete abhoration for the pointless qualification stage we’ve been subjected to on previous Master Leagues. I mean honestly, what’s the point a there’s only four league’s that exist? So, in my opinion, seeding should be based on League position, which would be...
Chelsea, Inter Milan, Valencia, Borussia Dortmund
Liverpool, Roma, Villareal, Bayer Leverkusen
Everton, Fiorentina, Atletico Madrid, Hamburg
Tottenham, Udinese, Sevilla, Stuttgart
This would give the player incentive to focus on the league even if the title race has already been decided, with a higher league position resulting in an easier path through the group stage as well as financial rewards varying depending on final league position. Once again no qualification stage means no risk of upsetting the teams-per-league ratio, thus the resulting draw wouldn’t feature two teams from the same League. After that the rest pretty much writes itself...
Group A
Chelsea
Villareal
Hamburg
Udinese
Group B
Valencia
Liverpool
Fiorentina
Stuttgart
Group C
Borussia Dortmund
Roma
Everton
Sevilla
Group D
Inter Milan
Bayer Leverkusen
Atletico Madrid
Tottenham
#5 Closing notes - I understand that the whole point of this game is realism, but in a mode as unique as the Master League realism is a relative term. The specialness has gone from the mode’s premier competitions and after five years a change must be made to refresh it. Oh, and for the love of GOD, PLEASE have a European Super Cup.
borrissey
16-06-2008, 13:22
Trust Konami look what they've produced over the years. People forget that. PES 2008 wasn't that bad a game offline. Just needs tweaking, and more features. Look how far its come over they years
Back to the improvements for 2009: CHANGE THE F*CKING SOUNDTRACK! which would be start, i like th eidea a few posts back about hiring/firing coaches etc in master league, consistant refereeing decisions with the odd "bad decision", more editing options is just plain obvious and maybe try to incorporate youth teams into master league to develop your own young stars instead of the pre-chosen 1s u sign in the negotiations. Just ideas but they could work
Not only would I buy a game that encorporated all those features, I'd marry it.
JohnBarnes?
09-09-2008, 22:27
Hi Pro Evo Players
I have a bad feeling that next years version is just going to be another small update by konami. Reading the posts and forums there is a lot of pissed of people and you cant blame them they bought the game. Now the FA are joining not allowing there stuff to be used in the game. I would say all the FIFA fans are laughing their ass off. Have any of you guys any comments on this maybe konami will make a brilliant game but the way its going with this pro evo I really dont think so......
Im sure it will be just fine!
I think there are too many misconceptions with FIFA and PES, i.e.
FIFA's gameplay is crap, which it isnt...
PES gameplay is the most advanced which it isnt judging from last years effort...
I mean I cant believe Konami havent tried adding brazilian and argentinian leagues seeing as the best young players are coming from there over the last few years...
Konami have a lot of potential to make the game even bigger, but potential is worthing nothing untill its realised
Leagues and modes are important but gameplay is far more important. I would have considerd buying it if it plays like pes 08 but it surley won't now. It's clearly showing to be much better.
CRISSGRAN
10-09-2008, 12:29
You know what I love, I've said it before, I'll say it again, this is only Konami's 2nd proper go at next gen, where as EA had about oh.. 6 tries to apparently get it right with 09 so don't abandon all hope just yet eh, give it a chance, if EA had that many tries, Konami should be given the same chance.
I love ads's "getting laid" metaphor...so ridiculous, it's good.
Pardon me - simile, not metaphor.
What KONAMi has done for years EA hasn't even started on and that's getting the feel that something is going on on the field. The facial expression are awesome. EA has never done this and even in FIFA09 it's not done. How can you enjoy a game with now feeling to it. I have never ever enjoyed scoring in FIFA.
There are millions of others things, but what i wanna say is. Even if 2008 was a let down. Don't come saying you will go for FIFA, cause the chances are big that you won't get the satisfaction you had with PES.
With other words. There isn't any good game out there. Only PES and that's the truth.
p.s i have played FIFA at Leipzig. don't be fooled.
o yeah you can try it out tomorrow
greekwow
10-09-2008, 16:11
What KONAMi has done for years EA hasn't even started on and that's getting the feel that something is going on on the field. The facial expression are awesome. EA has never done this and even in FIFA09 it's not done. How can you enjoy a game with now feeling to it. I have never ever enjoyed scoring in FIFA.
There are millions of others things, but what i wanna say is. Even if 2008 was a let down. Don't come saying you will go for FIFA, cause the chances are big that you won't get the satisfaction you had with PES.
With other words. There isn't any good game out there. Only PES and that's the truth.
p.s i have played FIFA at Leipzig. don't be fooled.
o yeah you can try it out tomorrow
becouse you want score easy. And FIFA is simulation, Doesnt let you score easy like PES
^STFU. Pes 09 will be a simulation like pes 5 and 6. At least it's looking like it. I'm not trying to be rude to you but you have to admit that pes was a simulation and will be a simulation except for 2008.
becouse you want score easy. And FIFA is simulation, Doesnt let you score easy like PES
It's because you are a greekcow, i won't be mad
Phat_Tok
11-09-2008, 13:01
it's an age old arguement, but the fact remains, for some reason playing FIFA is like ice skating with a ball, and pro evo is actually fun whilst remaining a challenge.
This is one of the reasons (there are many more!)why i disliked PES2008 so much. It resemebled FIFA in the way the players moved (skating around an ice rink) and to be honest PES2009 looks pretty much the same and the despite all the improvements in graphics, and a few nip/tucks etc i still think PES 2009 will be an update rather than a completely new game.
Looks like i'll be sticking with PS2 version for yet another year.. , no chance of me buying FIFA ever!
Kevthedrummer
11-09-2008, 13:03
becouse you want score easy. And FIFA is simulation, Doesnt let you score easy like PES
this amused me.
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