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I heard some rumours that gravesen is going to leave Real and man utd will try to sign him.
7RONALDO7
22-09-2005, 20:48
Yeh I heard that on TribalFootball, here's the link:
http://www.tribalfootball.com/september/englinews220905.html
Wouldn't be a bad signing but I can't seeing him leaving Real.
Phatmann
22-09-2005, 20:51
Yeh I heard that on TribalFootball, here's the link:
http://www.tribalfootball.com/september/englinews220905.html
Wouldn't be a bad signing but I can't seeing him leaving Real.
Would be a decent signing, and really the most realistic of the ones we have talked about so far. It depends on how much he plays for Real this season really.
The fans at Madrid are really giving him a hard time apparently. He's out of favour with the club and he's unsettled by all accounts.
I've always thought he was a quality player and I couldn't believe that more clubs weren't in for him when he made his move to Real last year. I would love to see him at United, and his game is totally suited to the Premiership too. He's as good as anything we've got now. Anybody know how much money we're talking about here?
Papa Lazarou
22-09-2005, 22:14
I think we should go for Gravesen in January cause he's a quality player and we know he is premiership class
He didn't have the best of halves for Real tonight, and was just subbed at half time.
gravesen's agent has said that he will be staying at real madrid for the duration of his contract but how often have we heard that and then the player has moved a few months later.
Ive always rated him as a good player! was a bit shocked that he went to real but knew it was a good move for him! He aint fitting it too good so a move back here may be the thing he needs! if utd could get him it'd be a pretty good signing!
NikE
NikE[']Ive always rated him as a good player! was a bit shocked that he went to real but knew it was a good move for him! He aint fitting it too good so a move back here may be the thing he needs! if utd could get him it'd be a pretty good signing!
NikE
i agree he would be an excellent signing just the player utd need.
Charlie: 9
23-09-2005, 01:03
Graveson was a good player, was shocked when she switched to Madrid. Man Utd then... Ill have to click on that link tomorrow.
Phatmann
23-09-2005, 09:45
Ole aiming for November
Ole Gunnar Solksjaer has insisted that his latest injury set-back will not bring an end to his dream of playing for Manchester United again.
The popular Norwegian striker has found the latter part of his career decimated by injury, and after recovering from a serious knee injury, a further setback inevitably brought talk that his career was over.
However, Solksjaer is aiming to be back in training by November, and pushing for a morale boosting first team return.
"There has been a bit of a setback," the 32-year-old told MUTV.
"We had a look at it but it was not really anything to do with the old injury, other than it will take a few more weeks to recover.
"The specialist is very pleased with how the old injury is progressing, so I am hoping to be back in training by November 1."
Will he ever come back? :( and if he does, will he do a woodgate? :mellow:
JimmyHill11
23-09-2005, 10:43
Ole aiming for November
will he ever come back? :( and if he does, will he do a woodgate? :mellow:
I almost felt sorry for Woodgate last night, except it was so funny.
I think the problem with United at the minute is that apart from trying to accomodate Keanes waning powers, SAF also seems hell bent on playing Schloes and Rooney in the same team. I know they are vastly different types of players, but they are both players whose most natural position is between midfield and the front man. I don't think they can play in the same team. Doing so means that we have no natural width and noone really supporting RVN around the box.
I reckon we looked much more solid when Fletcher play's as a deep midfielder, helping out Keane but also getting foward on occasions. Then you have Rooney or Scholes creating from, er, the 'hole'. Fletcher can get his foot in for a tackle and he is a good passer of the ball but I remember he was being touted by United as being the new Beckham. But he can't seem to cross the ball. 95% of his crosses get blocked for a corner and the other 5% hit the near post defender.
Phatmann
23-09-2005, 14:08
I almost felt sorry for Woodgate last night, except it was so funny.
I think the problem with United at the minute is that apart from trying to accomodate Keanes waning powers, SAF also seems hell bent on playing Schloes and Rooney in the same team. I know they are vastly different types of players, but they are both players whose most natural position is between midfield and the front man. I don't think they can play in the same team. Doing so means that we have no natural width and noone really supporting RVN around the box.
I reckon we looked much more solid when Fletcher play's as a deep midfielder, helping out Keane but also getting foward on occasions. Then you have Rooney or Scholes creating from, er, the 'hole'. Fletcher can get his foot in for a tackle and he is a good passer of the ball but I remember he was being touted by United as being the new Beckham. But he can't seem to cross the ball. 95% of his crosses get blocked for a corner and the other 5% hit the near post defender.
I think Fletcher should start playing more instead of Scholes, he's a good passer of the ball and can be quite creative. I agree that he's not good at crossing and think that fergie's decision to play him centre mid instead of right mid was a wise one.
We really miss beckham still i think, cos we still have absolutely no-one who can take corners or free kicks. Ronaldo has tried but I think 1% of his crosses from corners go past the first man. Any of you who saw madrid against Bilbao, can see how important having someone who can take free kicks and corners is. If we had been in the same position we would have probably lost 1-0 as whenever we cannot seem to create any chances from set pieces.
by the way, some bad news :( : http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=310120&cpid=8&CLID=1&lid=&title=Neville+blow+for+Red+Dev ils&channel=champions_league
Charlie: 9
23-09-2005, 14:57
That is bad news Phatmann... that means that O Shea has to play! And he's a lazy bastard!
Ronaldo7
23-09-2005, 15:55
O'Shea is a a player much more suited to being a centre-back than a right-back, i think that Bardsley should be given a chance, he did pretty well against Debrechen.
Phatmann
23-09-2005, 16:25
O'Shea is a a player much more suited to being a centre-back than a right-back, i think that Bardsley should be given a chance, he did pretty well against Debrechen.
Agreed, I think Bardsley would have played a lot more for the first team if he didnt have a broken leg all of last season :( Good player for the future though, the new gary neville :)
Ronaldo7
23-09-2005, 16:46
Just found this, loadsa really cool moves on there including our lad Ronaldo! music is shite though www.smithappens.com/video_soccerawesomemoves.php
Check out the nut crunch one as well.
7RONALDO7
24-09-2005, 15:40
United 0-1 Blackburn
What a joke, i'm listering to it on the radio and by the sounds of it we have had loads of clear chances and missed them all and Blackburn havve one and score from it.
Viperized
24-09-2005, 15:58
Blackburn's freekick was a bit flukey.
7RONALDO7
24-09-2005, 16:08
Blackburn's freekick was a bit flukey.
Have you seen it? And how?
7RONALDO7
24-09-2005, 16:27
Rvn 1-1
C'mon!
Viperized
24-09-2005, 17:24
Have you seen it? And how?
I was watching the Arsenal game online but it showed the goal there.
uA - 1905
24-09-2005, 17:40
Well, didn't see that one coming.
Alan Smith
24-09-2005, 17:42
What was the score in the manunited game.
uA - 1905
24-09-2005, 17:56
What a dedicated fan you are. ;)
Guillermo
24-09-2005, 17:59
2-1 Blackburn. And with Arsenal not winning as well, Chelsea have all but but won it at this stage already.
Gutted about that result today! Fuck no's whats going on with them!
NikE
Charlie: 9
24-09-2005, 18:10
Shocked, i am. Cant believe Man Utd lost to Blackburn, had Utd a crap side out, or letme guess... John O' Shea was on... ?
It is good to see that Van Nistelrooy is back to scoring form but what a player that Pedersen is should be at a bigger club.
fattyronaldo
24-09-2005, 18:37
did fletcher start? why has fletcher been starting? i think park is a better player than him. that guy has amazing work rate.
Papa Lazarou
24-09-2005, 18:59
Very Dissapointing result today. We have alot of work to do now to win the premiership.
Anyway Saha should be back in a few weeks so it will be good to have another striking option which will give our attack force a different angle
Keyser Soze
24-09-2005, 19:01
what a player that Pedersen is should be at a bigger club.
Couldn't agree more, hes quality.
Papa Lazarou
24-09-2005, 20:18
Man United were actually the first Premiership club to be reported as interested in Pedersen and i always wondered why we didnt get him. He would have been the ideal Giggs replacement
football4life
24-09-2005, 20:20
Man United were actually the first Premiership club to be reported as interested in Pedersen and i always wondered why we didnt get him. He would have been the ideal Giggs replacement
coz you are a fucking stupid dog papa.united wont even be bothered to offer peraofjsden a lucrative offer.think bruv.peraofafdsfen is just a big dumb monkey.like u
Yeah i also smell a cock.
Rangers_Fureva
24-09-2005, 20:25
coz you are a fucking stupid dog papa.united wont even be bothered to offer peraofjsden a lucrative offer.think bruv.peraofafdsfen is just a big dumb monkey.like u
And the point of that was........?
football4life
24-09-2005, 20:26
I know what you mean mate, im from dahn sarf so i quite often see this in the pubs. Best one was a bloke came up to me when we were playing leeds last season when Mikael scored and went "oh who was that who scored?" , "Silvestre" i replied "oh good im glad he scored, he's our new signing isnt he" , hes dead now..... :D
Nobody 'cept united fans quite understand exactly HOW hard it is to get tickets to OT. Assuming that we qualify for CL next season ;) i want to see my first Euro game at OT, no way will i get a ticket face value so i'll have to go to some reseller on the net and we are looking at £90 per ticket and thats before travel and beers. Thank god for pubs with dodgy foreign channels that always show Utd!
YES YES YES. WE ALL KNOW MAN UNITED ARE CRAP.PISS OFF YOU BLOODY FANS.UR NO GOOD
Papa Lazarou
24-09-2005, 20:26
coz you are a fucking stupid dog papa.united wont even be bothered to offer peraofjsden a lucrative offer.think bruv.peraofafdsfen is just a big dumb monkey.like u
riight...well lets stick to the topic at hand eh! Im not gonna lower myself to this guys level
Well there is no need now he has been banned.
executioner
24-09-2005, 20:56
halleluiya
What a shock! United 1-2 Blackburn
not bad.. i love this kind of results.. wonderful by M.G. Pedersen!
executioner
24-09-2005, 21:01
as a united fan, the only plus i can see from this game is that pedersion is in my fantasy football team
manjackal
24-09-2005, 21:06
It pains me to say it as i am a loyal United fan but its time for a major change. I dont care if we're still one of the best in europe, to be the best there are certain players that must go. An example is Paul Scholes, no longer the attacking threat he once was, i mean, for the past two years hes been out of form. Next is Alan Smith, not going to work in midfield and not going to work in attack (sorry Alan Smith...the member) and last but not least, Ryan Giggs, we can still get money for him, only god knows why we didnt sell him and get a younger talented player, not saying that giggs isnt talented!!. Formation....well we all know it sucks. Rooney should not be put out on the wing and for the love of god bring in an experienced midfielder or two....we need someone who can deliver the killer pass cause scholes is not doing it anymore. Oh yeah...saha out...tevez in.
P.S. NO GRAVESON!!!
7RONALDO7
24-09-2005, 21:12
Its not that we played bad, I watched Football First and we play quite good, we made alot of chances just need someone to finish them.
Park should be in, insted of Fletcher.
executioner
24-09-2005, 21:17
fergie just favours the scottish.
Master Flexy
24-09-2005, 21:25
After watching them today? They'll go no further than the last 16. The really need a natural left winger. Valencia's Vicente would be perfect but it's unlikely to happen.
Its just not good enough, its fair enough saying united didnt take there chances blah blah but end of it chelsea are winning there games like today coming from behind and winning. When united go down 1-0 it does not seem they will be able to come back and win the match.
But what i would say is united lack good back up strikers, and also like Master Flexy said a left winger but who? Vicente played well against Barcelona recently but i doubt it.
Papa Lazarou
24-09-2005, 21:31
maybe we should buy Pedersen...
He is the only player i rate out of Blackburn alongside bellamy, he caused United problems all 90 minutes.
7RONALDO7
24-09-2005, 21:41
No point in saying we should buy Vicente etc as I seriously doubt that SAF has even heard or these players! He/Our scouting system is so poor, we should have got Sissoko on the cheap...he is a great player. Van Der Vaart went to Hamburg, c'mon FUCKIN HAMBURG!! Its a conplete joke watching all this talent going elsewhere and United aren't even contemplating signing any.
manjackal
24-09-2005, 21:51
Exactly....chelsea got level with two mins and then won it. Thats the sign of a team that will win the league. The united of old always did that. I guess the only comfort is arsenal are doing worse than us. Hehe.
Scarface
24-09-2005, 21:52
Weren't you supposed to be interested in Gamst Pedersen but then your interest in him cooled down for some reason? He is a brilliant winger and would have been a great signing. If he plays this well for a mid-table side like Blackburn, imagine how he might do amongst the likes of Rooney and Cristiano Ronaldo.
uA - 1905
24-09-2005, 21:56
Pedersen was awful against Newcastle last week he's the king of inconsistency.
manjackal
24-09-2005, 22:03
Woah, just saw the 2nd blackburn goal. Bad mistake by the passed it ginger but what a finish. I just dont get it, rooney, ronaldo and van nistlerooy but no great chances. I mean the last two united goals have been tap ins more or less. I havent yet seen a goal thats resulted from great passing play or individual brilliance. I say fergy goes back to having united cross the ball in....van nistelrooy loves them, most of his goals for holland are from crosses and well....u all remember how dangerous he was with beckham in the team. I'll tell who we miss....Gary Neville, his runs down the right and his crosses are what the team needs.
Morten Gamst Pedersen caused hell of problems for you guys.. whats missing in your team? or was it just one of those days where nothing is going right for you?
yusuf eeli
24-09-2005, 22:58
Morten Gamst Pedersen caused hell of problems for you guys.. whats missing in your team? or was it just one of those days where nothing is going right for you?
There's something definatly missing. 2 draws and then a loss is very rare for united. I'd say the style man utd are palying right now is shite. They such a great aggressive game not so long ago. They havn't the spark anymore...
There's something definatly missing. 2 draws and then a loss is very rare for united. I'd say the style man utd are palying right now is shite. They such a great aggressive game not so long ago. They havn't the spark anymore...
I agree.. for some reason, i feel as if theyre playing like a defensive team. i dont know why, they're just not getting those goals much too often these days.. and they dont ususally win 1-0, they're aggresiveness isnt clicking at the moment.. thats for sure
Papa Lazarou
24-09-2005, 23:17
There was a time where Man United was always "If they score one, they'll score two" we need to recapture that ethic and spirit which i think we're lacking at the moment
AgentZero
24-09-2005, 23:51
what happened..shcoles had fat brain snap!.....its early days and we're 10 behind chelski:crymore:.....goodto see the SAF crumbling under the pressure of the Mancunians to revert back to a 4-4-2........how long is O'Shea out for?.......:realmad:....
Don't see why Fletcher is starting ahead of Park from what i have seen he is a good player.
I've had enough of watching Utd these days,we play so badly it's unwatchable,we need a great centre midfielder and a great centre back to strengthen our team.
AgentZero
25-09-2005, 00:00
its apparent that the injury crisis is taking its toll on the team.....we need Solky or saha back so we can add depth to the Striekr pairing....i thik if rooney plays in attacking mid he'd be more potent
I have always thought that Saha was a class player he will be good when he gets back.
AgentZero
25-09-2005, 00:13
he still needs to prove his 12M tag...I just can't see anyone else scoring but Rooney or Ruud....we have a lack of DEPTH!....we're suffering Real MAdrid syndrome...
Dosen't seem to be as much goals coming from midfield as there once was.
Juan gerard
25-09-2005, 11:25
SCHOLES IS GONE!!! his wifes illness has taken its toll on him and is a quarter of the plyer he was, sad really but if he isnt doing it he has to be dropped. i hate it when people do this but apart from two or three 4 game runs he hasnt done it for 2 years now. the fact is he is 30 and is past his prime
Ronaldo_is_fat
25-09-2005, 11:28
Yeah Scholes tends to play well when his mates play bad. But he lost it and that's why you guys are suffering.
Juan gerard
25-09-2005, 11:30
we just dont play well anymore the last time we had a really good performance was against arsenal at highbury last february! not good enough... but do you think its a ploy to get glazer to fuck off?
Ronaldo_is_fat
25-09-2005, 11:34
Not sure if Glazer really affected the performance of players on the pitch
Juan gerard
25-09-2005, 13:03
no i mean everyone decided to play badly so he fucks off cos its not worth the effort. or they`re just crap
Nearly had a bastard heart attack.
What an exciting match, bitterly disappointed of course but you couldn't deny it was thrilling entertainment. Still, time for a rant.
I'm disgusted at this new breed of supporter that infests Old Trafford today. Disgusted to hear the fans boo United off the pitch. United fans don't boo their own team, that's what used to set us apart from supporters of certain other clubs. I was sick of hearing these clueless cunts who don't know their footballing arses from their elbows shouting abuse at players and complaining that the first half was 'boring'.
It's time to face facts now, United are shite. Personally I think it's funny. It's hillarious that this cash cow Glazer bought is turning out to be half as profitable as he thought it would have been. Hopefully this period of us being shite will get rid of Glazer as well as this new wave of United fans who will desert their fat wallets and presumably go to support Chewsea. The decline of United will be worth every minute if it rids the club of the current regime and allows us to rebuild.
Ronaldo7
25-09-2005, 17:00
I think we can expect to see some major activity in the January transfer window. I think a centre-back and a midfielder are what we need the most. My vote goes to Ballack or Rosicky for midfield and to be honest im not too sure about the defense. BRING BACK JAPP STAM!
Charlie: 9
25-09-2005, 19:42
Saha, i think was a waste of money... you need a good goalscoring midfielder!
Keyser Soze
25-09-2005, 19:49
Saha, i think was a waste of money... you need a good goalscoring midfielder!
Ballack is the answer.
Charlie: 9
25-09-2005, 19:52
Yeah maybe so, mate...
JimmyHill11
26-09-2005, 10:56
How long do you reckon Carlos Quieroz can last? why the hell has SAF given this guy so much team responsibilty?
It's one thing employing cautious and cynical 4-5-1 formations but it's not even as if the tactics are effective - we hardly ever look like we can impose ourselves on the opposition and create chances.
There's been talk of a player revolt. Nont sure if that is a good thing becuase I think players should know their places but I won't complain if Quieroz is got rid of. He was good at tightening up the defence but that seems to be all he's good for
AgentZero
26-09-2005, 11:24
when we sold Stam and lost Blanc was the first signal that our defence wasn't going to be aswatertight as it were before......
EDIT: Terrible news!.....Ricky Sbargia is on the verge of joining Bolton Wanderers.
Charlie: 9
26-09-2005, 12:44
4-5-1 needs to be sacked ASAP. Its not working for Man U. They need to sort it quick of the league will be over by Halloween!
Phatmann
26-09-2005, 17:34
EDIT: Terrible news!.....Ricky Sbargia is on the verge of joining Bolton Wanderers.
Seriously? :mellow: is he going to bolton to be their reserve team manager?
Seriously? :mellow: is he going to bolton to be their reserve team manager?
No i think he is becoming a first team coach.
jthk2004
27-09-2005, 07:13
Don't see why Fletcher is starting ahead of Park from what i have seen he is a good player.
can't see why rooney wasn't playing either... poor sir alex...
quieroz = chaos?
AgentZero
27-09-2005, 09:04
Seriously? :mellow: is he going to bolton to be their reserve team manager?
nah 1st team coach, BTW next home game we have to urge Cristiano to sign a new contract
manutdfan1999
27-09-2005, 09:30
i heard rooney wasnt playing because sir alex was giving other players a chance to play to get ready for benfica today. it dont make any sense but who am i to question the best manager i the world?
who thinks the fans were right to boo the players off the pitch on saturday?
Phatmann
27-09-2005, 09:37
who thinks the fans were right to boo the players off the pitch on saturday?
not me...
Ronaldo_is_fat
27-09-2005, 10:46
Could this be the end of Manchester United?
who thinks the fans were right to boo the players off the pitch on saturday?
See my post on the previous page for an answer to that.
I'm actually tempted to make a thread in the general football forum about it, because supporters like me seem to be increasingly alienated at OT now.
JimmyHill11
27-09-2005, 16:29
who thinks the fans were right to boo the players off the pitch on saturday?
Hmmm... tricky question. Fans ultimately deserve the right to boo the players and the management and of course the board. After all, traditionaly fans are the people who fund the club week in week out (although less so nowadays as theere's so much tv money )and keep the club going through thick and thin with their attendance.
Still, that right should not be abused. Fans should be getting behind the players now. It;s a hard time for United, what with the Glazers and all that shite. Bottum line is, SAF does not deserve to get booed. We can't afford to replace Giggs with Joaquin or Scholes with Ballack or whatever so we get behind the team and give them support
Papa Lazarou
27-09-2005, 22:07
great result tonight. Very impressed with Bardsley and Richardson. Also Giggs seemed to have the old fire back
Yeah i thought that Giggs looked back to his old self.
Charlie: 9
28-09-2005, 01:39
Bit of luck for Utd tonight, RVN with a typical finish ;)
Giggs did look his old self tonight aswell, hope he keeps it up...
Phatmann
28-09-2005, 10:13
Pleased with the result, good performances from van der sar, bardsley and giggs.
JimmyHill11
28-09-2005, 13:06
It was good to see Scholes pushed foward a bit, supporting RVN in and around the box. There's no doubt, that's where he OR Rooney should play, behind RVN. Giggs worked his socks off and he combined well with Richardson.
The only downer is that Smith didn't do anything to suggest he can be the holding midfielder. He had great commitement as usual, made some good tackles and got foward a bit more with is good but he gave the ball away a few times and Fletcher looked a bit uncertain next to him. He just doesn't seem right in that role..
Ronaldo7
28-09-2005, 13:15
I was really impressed with both Bardsley and Richardson, Giggs had a great game as well though, if that doesnt prove to Fergie that 4-4-2 with Giggs and Ronaldo on either side and Rooney and Ruud up front is the way to go, i dont know what will. I still feel that we need a big name midfielder though, we still looked weak in that department. I was also dissapointed to see niether Pique or Rossi make an appearance, felt that Rossi could have made an impact at several points in the game.
United didnt play that well however we got the 3 points, good to see ruud scoring his typical goals.
7RONALDO7
28-09-2005, 18:03
Ruuds goal reminded me off the winner in '99.
Rio onto ruud insted of Sheringham onto Ole.
Guillermo
28-09-2005, 18:31
Could this be the end of Manchester United?
Yes of course....
:tumble:
Charlie: 9
28-09-2005, 20:22
Ruuds goal reminded me off the winner in '99.
Rio onto ruud insted of Sheringham onto Ole.
Im not a Utd fan, but that match had my nerves going, one of the best 2 minutes of football Ive seen in a while... still cant believe how Utd done it!
Alan Smith
28-09-2005, 20:26
Its just pure skill.
Charlie: 9
28-09-2005, 20:27
Ill always remember seeing Sami Kuffour in tears... poor fella...
executioner
28-09-2005, 20:37
i just hope ruud will play the same when rooney comes back.
a also hope that we play giggsy more often, i think fergie has too much faith in fletcher. we should play giggsy in his place in the 4-3-3 which would help giggsy get more games, less pressure on fletcher and it would give park more options.
Charlie: 9
28-09-2005, 20:39
Fletcher, in my opinion is not that good, why does Fergie play him so much :confused:
Giggs last night brought me back a few years, when he was at his usual runs and all that.
executioner
28-09-2005, 20:51
fergie plays him so much cause he's scottish.
simple as.
if fletch chose ireland instead of scotland then park or giggs would be in the side. either that or he would make flecth play as a replacement keano.
Charlie: 9
28-09-2005, 20:52
Aye, Park should on on playing alot more. Good player.
executioner
28-09-2005, 20:54
giggs just missed out more cause of his chest infection. park is a lot more than a marketing scheme and can actually out-run oylmpic sprinter he just needs more games and more time.
Charlie: 9
28-09-2005, 21:04
True. Real talented player...
giggsy was awesome the other night, stop messing around by putting him on the bench!!! sir alex never cease's to amaze me with his team selection!
thereason why fergie always play flecher is maybe cuz of his passing , but dun seem taht good to me . the ryan giggs FK goal is a lucky one . the only one that impressed me in that match is ruud , getting really good at dribbling
Charlie: 9
29-09-2005, 12:28
Do you think that SAF would use Heinze as a Keane replacement? I think he'd be good at DMF.
Do you think that SAF would use Heinze as a Keane replacement? I think he'd be good at DMF.
Yeah., i think he could adapt to that. Heinze is a hard tackler and all. Honestly, i dont understand wtf is Smith playing in DMF for. I know Keane is injured, but Smith shouldnt be in that position anyway. I agree with executioner, the reason SAF picks Flethcer is cause he is Scottish. SAF should play Giggs more often, as you see, they benefit from him. SAF barely uses Saha, give him a try, he just might be able to go on a good run. Cant wait for Solksjaer return..
Phatmann
30-09-2005, 19:58
Keane admits United quit plans
Manchester United midfielder Roy Keane has stunned the club and its supporters by confirming he expects to leave Old Trafford at the end of the current campaign.
The combative Irishman, a legend at the club, was expected to extend his long and illustrious relationship at United beyond this season, when his contract expires.
It had been assumed that he would be offered at least another year, possibly with coaching duties, as he begins to prepare for a career past playing.
However, Keane has now cast major doubts over such a suggestion by revealing he does not see his future being at United beyond the present season.
The 34-year-old admits it would be difficult to play for another Premiership club but that the prospect of playing in another country did appeal.
"I would like to play another year or two but I do not think it will be at Manchester United," he told MUTV.
"I would be surprised if I was offered a new contract and even if I was, I would not expect it to be until the end of the season but by then I will have already made a decision about what I am going to do.
"There comes a time for everybody when they have to move on and I am prepared to play elsewhere.
"I think it will be good to experience a different dressing room. It wouldn't be an English team though, coming back to Old Trafford and going into the away dressing room would be too hard for me to stomach."
Cork-born Keane has made no secret of his desire to one day wear the green and white of Celtic and it would be no surprise if he is seen plying his trade in Scotland next term.
Keane insists he is not trying to force United's board to make him an offer, merely suggesting that he has other options should he elect to quit Old Trafford next summer - including management.
"I am not putting a gun to anybody's head," said Keane.
"But my gut reaction last season was this would be my last year and I still feel that way.
"You have to learn and be prepared to move on. Life will not stop when I leave Manchester United.
"It might be an opportunity to go into management or coaching somewhere else and it is best to make a clean break because coaching at Manchester United doesn't really appeal.
"I don't want to look too far ahead because I want to play on for a bit yet but I wouldn't want to drop too far down.
"Your first job in management is an important one. I would like to go to a club with ambition, a decent fan base and some decent players."
executioner
30-09-2005, 20:06
i addressed this in another thread
http://forum.pesinsight.com/showpost.php?p=450732&postcount=19
SAF barely uses Saha, give him a try
It's hard to give him a try when he's injured.
Great win over Fulham (Away)
United won 3-2. Park was outstanding man of the match.
Ruud x2.
Rooney.
United played 4-4-2.
Yeah i was worried when it was 2-2 but Ruud is on fire.
7RONALDO7
01-10-2005, 20:10
I was worried after 90seconds. I thought......."not again"
Park played very well, he is going to be great in the future...I hope.
Park played very well
What are you basing that on?
7RONALDO7
01-10-2005, 21:04
watching the match today.
executioner
01-10-2005, 21:18
What are you basing that on?
well how about his performance?
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/7222/duhholland8jo.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
well how about his performance?
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/7222/duhholland8jo.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
I was actually asking how he'd seen the game already, but I guess it was asking a bit much to expect you to twig.
vanNistelrooy
01-10-2005, 21:30
Yeah i was worried when it was 2-2 but Ruud is on fire.
I'm glad he is. I put £10 on Ruud top scorer and United title at 20/1 before the season started :)
Guillermo
01-10-2005, 21:32
United played 4-4-2.
After Carlos said United would never go back to that formation? :mellow:
executioner
01-10-2005, 21:38
give it another half an hour, see on match of the day.
btw, who was our back 4 today?
vanNistelrooy
01-10-2005, 21:39
O'Shea Silvestre Rio Richardson I believe.
Yeah that is the right defence
executioner
01-10-2005, 21:42
i though that silvestre was injured. thats why he missed benfica?
vanNistelrooy
01-10-2005, 21:43
Dead leg but recovered. Someone got injured in the game, and Bardsley came on, think it may have been O'Shea.
executioner
01-10-2005, 21:55
Dead leg but recovered. Someone got injured in the game, and Bardsley came on, think it may have been O'Shea.
in the benfica game?
the back four for the benfica game was: bardsley o'shea, rio, richardson
i know that bardsley definetly started that match.
vanNistelrooy
01-10-2005, 21:57
No the Fulham game
executioner
01-10-2005, 22:03
thats all we need, another fucking injury....
Phatmann
02-10-2005, 00:03
Bardsley came on for Richardson, i don't know how serious the injury was though. Bardsley Ferdinand Silvestre O'Shea could be our defensive line for the next match.
Charlie: 9
02-10-2005, 01:18
Utd came up on my bet :D Thanks to Rudd ;)
Ronaldo7
02-10-2005, 16:25
With Keano saying he wants to leave in January and Bayern Munich saying they would have him, perhaps a deal could be sorted out regarding Ballack coming to OT?
executioner
02-10-2005, 18:47
With Keano saying he wants to leave in January and Bayern Munich saying they would have him, perhaps a deal could be sorted out regarding Ballack coming to OT?
what are u on about. he didnt say he wanted to leave in january. he'd only be leaving when his contract runs out in the summer.
If Keane is going to leave, and Ballack will join, which is not unlikely, it'll be next summer. Neither will leave in January.
executioner
02-10-2005, 20:19
we could use our ever usefull reserve system. last year they won the quadruple. we must edge them in bit by bit at first though
Charlie: 9
02-10-2005, 23:50
Keano is ireplaceable. I cant wait to sign him :D
Ronaldo7
04-10-2005, 11:38
There was something on sky sports news about him leaving in january.
There was something on sky sports news about him leaving in january.
if that does ever happend, who will actually replace him??
fattyronaldo
04-10-2005, 15:57
they would bring in someone who isn't cup tied in the CL. ballack is cup tied so i'm sure they wouldn't bring in a player to leave him out of europe. they may want to look outside the premiership for that one.
Giggsy11
04-10-2005, 16:40
I would love to see either Gerrard or Ballack to replace Roy Keane for long-term.
JimmyHill11
06-10-2005, 17:17
Gerrard is a great player but ho only ever seems to be able to play great individauly in certain games (champs league final being obvious example), he doesn't seem able to impose himself on the team consistently. When did he last play well for England? He'd never sign for United
Ballack is also great player. He he, he a bit of a cheating git going down for penalties. The problem though is that he is not going to be at his peak for that much longer. If we could get him cheap then he would be a brilliant addition to the midfield, although more of a Scholes replacement than Keane. If he's not going cheap then no way Glazers will sanction big money being spent on a 29/30 year old.
Anything around 8-12 million for Ballck would be a good deal.
i think ballack too would be a great addition, i doubt though he would join man.united though.. the most possible midfielder to join man.u, i would say Maniche.. still quality
maniche is great but hes getting on a bit now.kaka would be a great signing(think we need someone like this)but no way would Milan let him go.Ballack is the most obvious signing he is a great player(on the official man u web it says weve appareantly got him and he will join at the end of the season).Obi-Mikel wants to go to chelsea(greedy git).Roy Keanes meant to be leaving soon and on the news it says Ruud told his agent he wants a move this summer:(Real Madrid are appareantly meant to be bidding for him):(im worried looking bad for us int it:(
is michael ballack really going to join man.u at the end of the season?
o0oGedo0o
08-10-2005, 10:41
maniche is great but hes getting on a bit now.kaka would be a great signing(think we need someone like this)but no way would Milan let him go.Ballack is the most obvious signing he is a great player(on the official man u web it says weve appareantly got him and he will join at the end of the season).Obi-Mikel wants to go to chelsea(greedy git).Roy Keanes meant to be leaving soon and on the news it says Ruud told his agent he wants a move this summer:(Real Madrid are appareantly meant to be bidding for him):(im worried looking bad for us int it:(
Nistelrooy agent denied the rumors, you can check it on www.premierleague.com
is michael ballack really going to join man.u at the end of the season?
that is what it says.and in the matchbooks.it is a rumour i think but hopefully not.Thank God Ruudagent denied a move it was very worrieing.
Ronaldo7
10-10-2005, 11:35
what are u on about. he didnt say he wanted to leave in january. he'd only be leaving when his contract runs out in the summer.
Think about it though, both Ballack's and Keano's contracts run out at the end of the season, and so both teams would have to let them go for free. Whilst if they sold them in January they would at least make a bit of money, perhaps 11-12 million for Ballack and about 7-8 million for Keane
JimmyHill11
11-10-2005, 10:56
But on the other hand, Why would United pay £12m for Ballack in January when they can get him for zip 6 months later?
Think about it though, both Ballack's and Keano's contracts run out at the end of the season, and so both teams would have to let them go for free. Whilst if they sold them in January they would at least make a bit of money, perhaps 11-12 million for Ballack and about 7-8 million for Keane8 million for Keane.... what world are you in?
JimmyHill11
11-10-2005, 16:31
8 million for Keane.... what world are you in?
That's true. Anyway United will let him go on a free so he can earn some half decent wage for his final season or so at Celtic or where ever it turns out to be.
Ronaldo7
12-10-2005, 12:31
Apparantly Bayern are still interested in him, remember when he was supposed to be going to them a few years back? Thats why i think a swap deal may be possible.
and Celtic
can't believe bayern are though
keano should stay ):
if i was him i'd stay
executioner
15-10-2005, 15:40
fegie has today said he will offer keano another contract once he gets back to fitness (has to take another medical)
and keano has also retired from international duty so he'll be more focused on us. my money is on him playing for us next season. quote me if needed.
Man united beating sunderland 1-0 /Half time.
Goal from Rooney!
executioner
15-10-2005, 15:54
if we dont win this, people will be calling for fergie's head.
na, i doubt that.
Chelsea losing and arsenal drawing with West Brom!
vanNistelrooy
15-10-2005, 16:43
RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUD!
Chelsea 5-1 up now, but Arsenal losing 2-1, HAHA!
vanNistelrooy
15-10-2005, 16:44
Shit United 2-1 now.
vanNistelrooy
15-10-2005, 16:49
Guiseppe Rossi, really happy to see him score, great prospect.
Guiseppe Rossi, really happy to see him score, great prospect.
Cant you just post all that in your first post.
executioner
15-10-2005, 16:53
Guesseppi Rossi Scores
I Tipped This Kid For Glory Over A Year Ago!!
3-1
vanNistelrooy
15-10-2005, 16:56
Guesseppi Rossi Scores
I Tipped This Kid For Glory Over A Year Ago!!
3-1
Me too, he had a great season in the reserves last year.
Dan19, I could have, if I could see into the future, plus I love winding scousers like yourself up :D
Me too, he had a great season in the reserves last year.
Dan19, I could have, if I could see into the future, plus I love winding scousers like yourself up :D
No you see what you do is go back and you edit it, you tit.:)
And how are you winding me up?
vanNistelrooy
15-10-2005, 17:00
No you see what you do is go back and you edit it, you tit.:)
And how are you winding me up?
I could have yes, but posting a few posts will contribute my bar to, one day, becoming shiny and stuff.
You resorting to calling me nasty names like "tit", is how I have wound you up :laugh:
Keyser Soze
15-10-2005, 17:02
I could have yes, but posting a few posts will contribute my bar to, one day, becoming shiny and stuff.
It's also called triple posting or spamming, you tit. :)
I could have yes, but posting a few posts will contribute my bar to, one day, becoming shiny and stuff.
You resorting to calling me nasty names like "tit", is how I have wound you up :laugh:
Get a job.
vanNistelrooy
15-10-2005, 17:03
It's also called triple posting or spamming, you tit. :)
Boo bloody hoo, hardly harming anyone am I...you tit:D
vanNistelrooy
15-10-2005, 17:04
Get a job.
Says the scouser :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Says the scouser :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:says the erm *coughs* Manc :tumble:
Says the scouser :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I have a job and im 16 your 21 and probally still with mother,and i aint no scouse im a sheep shagger;)
vanNistelrooy
15-10-2005, 17:06
Trainee accountant here, probably alot better than you two Burger King workers (atleast it's better than McDonalds):D
nice that finally someone other than rooney or van nistelrooy has scored for us this season. the midfield really need to start chipping in with some goals.
chelsea won 5-1! they were a goal down and came back to score 5. thats pretty emphatic if you ask me. they really dont look like getting beat anytime soon and they're confidence is sky high
and arsenals must be rock bottom. 2-1 defeat to west brom, they're beginning to look like they're out of the race already. they've been well unlucky with injuries.
Trainee accountant here, probably alot better than you two Burger King workers (atleast it's better than McDonalds):Dguess again
vanNistelrooy
15-10-2005, 17:11
Oh so you do work in McDonalds?
Well I'm off to watch Boro vs Pompey.
Oh so you do work in McDonalds?
Well I'm off to watch Boro vs Pompey.3rd year at uni actually
accessgranted
15-10-2005, 17:29
Congrats.
Rossi looks to be a fantastic prospect.
It's the 'R' factor again.
Rooney, Ruud, Rossi.
7RONALDO7
15-10-2005, 18:22
What about Ronaldo?
What about Ronaldo?
apparently he was poor today.
and he said rossi because it was him ruud and rooney that scored
7RONALDO7
15-10-2005, 19:04
apparently he was poor today.
and he said rossi because it was him ruud and rooney that scored
Oh, I thought he was just talking in general.;)
apparently he was poor today.
He still put in a great ball, but apart from that he was very quiet.
Bardsley was superb for the majority of the game and Rooney played very well too.
It was FAR too close than it should have been though. Make no mistake Sunderland are a very poor team and I'm almost certain they'll go down this year. Yet they still managed to create some good chances in the first half and really make the game a close affair. The result might have made our situation look a bit better than it actually is, but the same problems remained. Scholes looked miles off the pace, Smith, despite giving 110% as always didn't have the stature and talent to boss the midfield and dictate the game and consiquently we put our defence under a lot more pressure than they should have been.
However, Bardsley did a great job as a right back, and O'Shea wasn't too bad either, despite being caught out of position a couple of times.
I see Sunderland weren't anywhere near selling all the tickets. Reducing our allocation was a fookin' joke too, and SAFC should be ashamed of themselves.
7RONALDO7
15-10-2005, 20:25
He still put in a great ball, but apart from that he was very quiet.
Bardsley was superb for the majority of the game and Rooney played very well too.
It was FAR too close than it should have been though. Make no mistake Sunderland are a very poor team and I'm almost certain they'll go down this year. Yet they still managed to create some good chances in the first half and really make the game a close affair. The result might have made our situation look a bit better than it actually is, but the same problems remained. Scholes looked miles off the pace, Smith, despite giving 110% as always didn't have the stature and talent to boss the midfield and dictate the game and consiquently we put our defence under a lot more pressure than they should have been.
However, Bardsley did a great job as a right back, and O'Shea wasn't too bad either, despite being caught out of position a couple of times.
I see Sunderland weren't anywhere near selling all the tickets. Reducing our allocation was a fookin' joke too, and SAFC should be ashamed of themselves.
Yep Bardsley played great, as did Rossi.
Also, it was pay on the gate and they still didnt sell, for the Sunderlan fans i mean
Yep Bardsley played great, as did Rossi.
Also, it was pay on the gate and they still didnt sell, for the Sunderlan fans i mean
I know many United fans who took advantage of the cash turnstiles and sat in the Sunderland end, especially with SAFC limiting us to a paltry allocation because we committed the crime of standing up last time.
executioner
15-10-2005, 21:27
hold on guys, did rossi start or come on as a sub?
hold on guys, did rossi start or come on as a sub?
Came on for Ruud about five minutes after we scored the second.
hold on guys, did rossi start or come on as a sub?
come on as a sub cos Rooney scored then Van Nistlerroy then Rossi
It was FAR too close than it should have been though. Make no mistake Sunderland are a very poor team and I'm almost certain they'll go down this year. Yet they still managed to create some good chances in the first half and really make the game a close affair. The result might have made our situation look a bit better than it actually is, but the same problems remained. Scholes looked miles off the pace, Smith, despite giving 110% as always didn't have the stature and talent to boss the midfield and dictate the game and consiquently we put our defence under a lot more pressure than they should have been.
exactly. we were flattered today, and not for the 1st time this season. smith for me just isnt good enough to play in midfield and doesnt score enough goals to justify playing upfront. scholes has been nowhere all season, i cant remember him having a patch where he's playin quite as poorly as he is now. it was quite shocking what a run for our money they gave us today. we have to play spurs next week and they'll really push us. we'll really have to raise our game from our recent standards to beat them and bare in mind we have to play chelsea in 3 weeks. improvement is still needed if we're going to mount a serious challenge this season
exactly. we were flattered today, and not for the 1st time this season. smith for me just isnt good enough to play in midfield and doesnt score enough goals to justify playing upfront. scholes has been nowhere all season, i cant remember him having a patch where he's playin quite as poorly as he is now. it was quite shocking what a run for our money they gave us today. we have to play spurs next week and they'll really push us. we'll really have to raise our game from our recent standards to beat them and bare in mind we have to play chelsea in 3 weeks. improvement is still needed if we're going to mount a serious challenge this season
Smudger isn't good enough to replace Keane and it's as simple as that. He'll always give 110% and he's a very useful squad player, but he just doesn't have the same influence on a game that top midfielders do.
Scholes has been woeful this season. He's been fairly poor for the past year and a half, but this season he's looked so far off the pace and it's very hard to defend his performances because he isn't scoring either. The poor lad's mind is obviously on other things.
Fully fit, our defence is very solid. Rio is world-class and has been getting FAR more criticism than he deserves. Say what you want about him as a person, but despite having lost his right-back, his left-back and his best central partner, he has still defended solidly and resolutely. All this shite about Rio being 'out of form' is a lot like the myth about City and the best supporters, if you repeat it long enough, people who know nothing about football start to believe it.
marcrulz
16-10-2005, 11:56
we may not have been awesome but we won great to see rossi scoring I think he could be a big player in the future for us.
AgentZero
16-10-2005, 13:04
great to see all of the youngsters play
Pqiue - O'shea
Rossi - Van Nistleroij
Mller - Ronaldo
and then you have Bardsley starting....a couple of more seasons and they'll be in it regulars
im concerend Ronaldo is YET to commit to United fletch and O'shea have done so..and we just need the Portuguese Playmaker....gotta get behind him lads...can't loose a player of his potential.
Great to see Ruud back on scoring, still 1 on 1 with 8 goals out of 8 matches, that is 2 more then last year with 10 matches less, he's back on track :).
Alan Smith
16-10-2005, 13:32
Yea he sure is.
Ronaldo7
16-10-2005, 15:06
Anybody think Rossi will come on against Spurs? I would also like to see Pique making a start over Silvestre, its not as easy for defenders to show their worth with 10-15 minute appearences as it is for strikers or midfielders.
JimmyHill11
16-10-2005, 15:57
I would also like to see Pique making a start over Silvestre, its not as easy for defenders to show their worth with 10-15 minute appearences as it is for strikers or midfielders.
But might not be a good time to play him with so many 1st choice defenders injured. Heinze is obvioulsy out for the season but I would think SAF will watn G Nev back before starting Pique at centre back. He definately looks the part physicaly
Phatmann
16-10-2005, 18:08
Pique will probably play against Barnet, but Tottenham are playing well so playing pique first team over someone experienced like Silvestre would be very dodgy. I agree that it's hard for defenders to show their ability during 10-15 minute periods at the ends of matches, but I can't see any matches soon which he would start. Our next 8 matches: Lille (h), Tottenham (h), Barnet (h), Middlesbrough (a), Lille (a), Chelsea (h), Charlton (a), Villareal (h).
Heinze=injured damn:(:(:(him Gary and Rio are the Rocks.great to see Ruud scoring again though looking for top scorer i think he can do this easy he has the quality.Rooney is playing well an all:D
snoopsimon
16-10-2005, 19:14
Was at game yesterday, and I am somewhat unsure about the praise Bardsley is getting. I think he is a decent player, he had amazing game V Benifca in CL, but I don't think he played particularly well v Sunderland. I mean he was ookay, but nowt special. Thought both he and O'Shea were allowing too many crosses to get into the box. Had they been of better quality then the result would have been somewhat different.
Sunderland acquitted themselves well, and while they may not have the final cutting edge that the bigger teams do, their workrate and graft meant they deserved something more out of the game. Hoyte was pretty good for them, and Nyron Nosworthy was also quite good.
Smith does give 100% and does his best, but he is a striker and not a midfielder at the end of the day, and if he is to play in this role then Scholes needs to be putting in better performances. He was a bit out of sorts yesterday.
executioner
16-10-2005, 19:33
yeah we cant keep relying on scholesy.he's just not playing any good nowadays. if we were to get ballack, we could play smithy as an attackin midfielder which would give them all and advantage.
scholesy just aint doing the job anymore, aint scored for ages either.
Me too, he had a great season in the reserves last year.
Dan19, I could have, if I could see into the future, plus I love winding scousers like yourself up :D
me too! :D
Smith does give 100% and does his best, but he is a striker and not a midfielder at the end of the day, and if he is to play in this role then Scholes needs to be putting in better performances. He was a bit out of sorts yesterday.
Scholsey has been out of sorts for the past year and a bit.
I was impressed with Bardsley. Yeah, his positioning wasn't great but he got forward well and was very strong in the tackle. For such an inexperienced player I'd say he performed very well.
Of course it's Rooney you can pencil in for man of the match before a ball is even kicked now, but that doesn't take away that Bardsley hardly put a foot wrong all game (except maybe for that mishit cross in stoppage time).
The funniest thing about that game was winding up Mick McCarthy so much that he actually responded. A grown man gesticulating wildly towards us... even the Sunderland fans next to us looked embarrased. From that moment on the game was won.
yeah we cant keep relying on scholesy.he's just not playing any good nowadays. if we were to get ballack, we could play smithy as an attackin midfielder which would give them all and advantage.
scholesy just aint doing the job anymore, aint scored for ages either.but Ballack is an attacking midfielder
ruudvan_spects
17-10-2005, 10:16
here.here well said :) well well well giggsy
Ronaldo7
17-10-2005, 12:32
but Ballack is an attacking midfielder
Yeah, thats why even though loadsa people are saying he will replace keane i see him as more of an attacking player and will not be able to do the job people will be expecting of him. we need to get a proper full-on defensive mid and unfortunatly there are not that many around that are not already at big clubs.
Ballack's game was more defensive up untill a few years ago though, he has always come forward but he was a little more tighter and controlling in the midfield a while back.
o0oGedo0o
17-10-2005, 13:23
What about Obi Mikel? He's a youngester but I never saw him play. Albelda is a decent DMF, will he ever leave Valencia?
JimmyHill11
17-10-2005, 13:53
As far as getting a defensive player in midfield, I gather that the player United are chasing is Zokora at St Etienne.
If Ballack comes then he will be there to provide leadership and dynamism in midfield. This is something that players like Fletcher need.
Ronaldo7
17-10-2005, 15:38
Can you elaborate on Zokora? ive never heard of him never mind seen him play. anyone else know anything about him?
Phatmann
17-10-2005, 16:56
Can you elaborate on Zokora? ive never heard of him never mind seen him play. anyone else know anything about him?
http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=315180&CPID=8&CLID=1&lid=&title=United+target+can+leave&channel=skysports_home_page
Here's the story on Zokora from Sky Sports.
me too! :D
You learn something new everyday,scousers in Athens. Mind blowing.
Ronaldo7
18-10-2005, 12:22
http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=315180&CPID=8&CLID=1&lid=&title=United+target+can+leave&channel=skysports_home_page
Here's the story on Zokora from Sky Sports.
Oh great Chelsea are after him too, whats even the point in bidding? they will just outbid us untill we can go no higher. Plus he will probably say it has been his dream to play for Chelsea for a long time.
o0oGedo0o
18-10-2005, 14:29
Isn't manchester the richest team in the world? we should be able to buy anyone. Get Gravsen for God sake.
It's pay at the gate tonight, so why don't some of you reds get yourselves down to the game against Lille?
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6:00 gone Man.U 0-0 Lille now on itv
0-0 half time
scholes has just been sent off and we look awful. truly awful, this lille team we would have put 6 past 5 years ago. (i think we played them in 2000, narrow wins but they have got worse since then) we still need to get behind the lads though, who knows when ruud might pop up with a goal!
executioner
18-10-2005, 21:08
we're playing terribly but i still have faith. we've still got park but i think scholes is utter shit now.
park ji sung on now we are doing shite come on UNITED!!!
shit final whistle 0-0 and Arsenal won damn.bad night what the hell does scholsey think he is doing:mad:
marcrulz
18-10-2005, 21:40
bad performance but Im confident well play better against totenham, COME ON UNITED!
Ronaldo7
18-10-2005, 23:23
Fuck! Giggs has fractured a cheekbone, and that referee was utter shite, not disagreeing with Scholes' sending off, but some of the desicions he gave were extremely questionable.
Papa Lazarou
18-10-2005, 23:28
I think we should definately play Park more, he injects life into our midfield! Hopefully Giggs won't be out for too long as he is back on form again
Damn i didnt know it was a fractured cheekbone. How bad was smith and fletcher in midfield!, o'shea is too clumsy, park was the best player alongside giggs.
Guess what, where still top of the table ha!
What a poor performance. Lille are a shite team and we couldn't even SCORE against them. Scholes played dreadfully, as he has done all season, O'Shea was useless and it was painfully obvious how much we missed Wayne Rooney. Fletcher and Smith played how they normally do, full of commitment and effort but lacking the real talent and ability needed to provide the cutting edge. We had no inspiration and we even looked shaky at the back at times against their lone striker.
We can't rely on a ninteen year old to win us matches every week, no matter how good he is. If we don't buy a worldclass midfield in the January transfer window then we can kiss goodbye to even competing for any silverware come the end of the season. It's a good job our Champions League group is so poor, otherwise we could be in a far worse position than we are now.
On a positive note, yesterdays game was the lowest attendance in Manchester United's Chmpaion's League history since the capacity of OT was expanded, and we're now faced with having to get a result away from home if we want to qualify from the group. How great would it be if we lost to Benfica and Lille away and failed to qualify? That would mean a loss of income of at least £15 million to the Glazers.
dissapointment.. i cant believe man.u didnt win that.. These are the kind of european nights you would expect man.u to win.. V.Nistelrooy scoring and all.. guess not.. Ronaldo dived a lot last night.. Giggs should'nt have been replaced, should have been ronaldo.. I dont understand wtf is fletcher still playing for, smith was horrible.. Disastrous performance.. Park ji Sung was the only one who impressed me and Should have been put on earlier.. he injected the game back to life, but too late.. He was also ze captain.. hehe.. nice to see that.. Tavlaridis though of lille defended nistelrooy very well as i cant remember ruud even having a chance..
7RONALDO7
19-10-2005, 12:25
Tavlaridis though of lille defended nistelrooy very well as i cant remember ruud even having a chance..
Why didnt he get booked!:realmad:
Phatmann
19-10-2005, 18:54
That was terrible that Tavlaridis didn't get booked, considering the ref seemed to book everyone on their first foul :(
O'shea played his worst game yet for United, Smith's passing was dreadful and Ronaldo did nothing at all, all game. I thought Bardsley and Giggs were ok but nothing special. Park should have come on a lot earlier because I think he could've made a difference if he had 15-20 minutes on the pitch and Lille were never really going to attack us intensively at any point. Very disappointed but we're still top of the group so it's all ok for now...
codename 47
19-10-2005, 18:57
I'm suprised no-ones mentioned this in the man utd thread yet,but it turns out that Cristiano ronado has been "arrested" by police in the connection of rape allegations,though its been said he went to the police on his own accord to help out,its still be reported he's under arrest
http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=317946&cpid=8&CLID=&lid=2&title=United's+Ronaldo+arreste d&channel=football_home
executioner
19-10-2005, 20:14
its another attention seeker. just like the van persire case or faria alam case. attention seekers trying to be the next rebecca loos.
and btw....GET SCHOLES OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!
marcrulz
19-10-2005, 20:28
right ronaldo is 100% innocent and Im 100% behind him this girl should be put in jail for the trauma that she could cause she is a disgrace.
bbjaylive
19-10-2005, 20:46
United were SO BOOOORING. Smith ain't good enough to stay at this club. Park should have started. Formation should never ever be 4-5-1 again. Bardsley wasn't terrible but wasn't convincing either. It's pathetic that such a club as United depends on some teenager to play well.
executioner
19-10-2005, 21:25
Bardsley wasn't terrible but wasn't convincing either. It's pathetic that such a club as United depends on some teenager to play well.
its called a fucking injury crisis.
Ronaldo7
20-10-2005, 00:55
a FUCKING injury? who got one of those ;)
United were SO BOOOORING. Smith ain't good enough to stay at this club. Park should have started. Formation should never ever be 4-5-1 again. Bardsley wasn't terrible but wasn't convincing either. It's pathetic that such a club as United depends on some teenager to play well.
Hmm....some teenagers:
C.Ronaldo
Rooney (may not be anymore but he was)
Ronaldo7
21-10-2005, 00:54
I think he wastalking about Bardsley, who isnt a teenager anyway, he is 21 and played very well and is better than that bumbling Peter Kay lookalike O'Shea. If Heinze was not injured, we had Keano back and Rooney was eligable than that game would have been a walkover. Although we may be dependant on Rooney to help us win it is no different than Arsenal needing Henry or Barcelona needing Ronaldinho. People just pick Roney because he is any easy target but at the end of the day he is a 19 year old lad, playing for one of the greatest club sides in the world and earning £60,000 a week. Do you really think he cares what you think about him?
From www.goal.com:
Essien Could Have Replaced Keane - Silvestre
Manchester United defender Mikael Silvestre believes Michael Essien would have been the ideal replacement for the ageing Roy Keane.
The Red Devils saw the former Lyon star join rivals Chelsea in the summer, and the Ghanaian has started his Blues career impressively.
"Replacing Roy Keane is not easy," Silvestre told The Sun.
"We have not found his successor, someone to step into his shoes.
"Alan Smith has been put into a new position in the middle in front of the defence and Alex Ferguson thinks he has the profile.
"But he has been brought up as a pure striker, he will not be able to have the same output.
"The only one on the market in the style of Keane was Michael Essien. Apparently, he was a little expensive."
Money speaks, and United do not have enough of it :(
Alcoholic
21-10-2005, 12:07
Too expensive. United should do an Arsenal and look for talent on the cheap.
Possibly Ballack? Or Maniche?
Silvestre said Essien could have replaced Keane, but it was United who couldn't afford to buy Essien, not that the didn't want to :mellow:
Phatmann
21-10-2005, 22:30
Norwegian club Molde FK have said that they are ready to offer Ole Gunnar Solskjaer a coaching role.
Solskjaer has been struggling with a persistent knee injury and made his last appearance in a Manchester United shirt during the 2004 FA Cup victory over Millwall.
Although the 32-year-old is closing in on a return to action after undergoing surgery, manager Sir Alex Ferguson has cast doubt on whether or not the Norwegian can successfully resurrect his playing career.
"We haven't ruled anything out," director Espen Silseth told Nettavisen.
"But today we have clear indications that Ole Gunnar will do all he can to come back as a player.
"Should he wish it, he would have a position at Molde. We have been in contact with his agent and he knows the possibilities which exist at Molde."
ole?:mellow:
AgentZero
21-10-2005, 23:00
im hoping Ballack does coem to united.....he was brilliant against Juve...
I think he wastalking about Bardsley, who isnt a teenager anyway, he is 21 and played very well and is better than that bumbling Peter Kay lookalike O'Shea. If Heinze was not injured, we had Keano back and Rooney was eligable than that game would have been a walkover. Although we may be dependant on Rooney to help us win it is no different than Arsenal needing Henry or Barcelona needing Ronaldinho. People just pick Roney because he is any easy target but at the end of the day he is a 19 year old lad, playing for one of the greatest club sides in the world and earning £60,000 a week. Do you really think he cares what you think about him?
I read that post twice and I still can't understand a single point that you are trying to make.
Oh, and he was talking about Rooney too. And he's right. We shouldn't rely on a 19 year old to win us every single game we play no matter how good he is. Also, we shouldn't be playing a young man with a rape accusation hanging over him just weeks after the death of his father and, lest we forget, trying to cope with all this in a foreign country.
Also, Scholes being given a standing ovation for being SENT OFF was an absoloute joke.
AgentZero
22-10-2005, 00:36
he fooking deserved it for his brilliant performance throughout the season....plus anuy news on the Ronaldo sexual assault thing?
he fooking deserved it for his brilliant performance throughout the season....plus anuy news on the Ronaldo sexual assault thing?
A standing ovation after a deserved sending-off for two reckless challenges is a bit bemusing like.
As for Ronaldo, they'll still be questioning him I would imagine, going through the formalities of an alleged rape accusation.
Ronaldo7
22-10-2005, 01:08
I read that post twice and I still can't understand a single point that you are trying to make.
Oh, and he was talking about Rooney too. And he's right. We shouldn't rely on a 19 year old to win us every single game we play no matter how good he is. Also, we shouldn't be playing a young man with a rape accusation hanging over him just weeks after the death of his father and, lest we forget, trying to cope with all this in a foreign country.
Also, Scholes being given a standing ovation for being SENT OFF was an absoloute joke.
The point i was trying to make was that people can say we depend on Rooney, but it is no different than other teams also depending on their star players, as we have seen with Arsenal missing players in the last few weeks, what difference does the age of these players make?
Our team has adapted to having Rooney to the point of not functioning properley without him, just look at England in Euro 2004 people were saying if Rooney had not needed to go off we would have won, and that was almost 2 years ago when he was even younger, and he never looks worn out or tired even though he starts nearly every game. We won things when we didnt have Rooney so we can certainly win things with him in the team and as much as we rely on him doesn't every team have that player? These players make football what it is. Would you rather have Rooney not playing?
Phatmann
22-10-2005, 12:46
he fooking deserved it for his brilliant performance throughout the season
brilliant performance? you're joking right? :mellow:
Lord Shrimpeh
22-10-2005, 16:57
Manchester United 1 - 1 Tottenham
More points thrown away. Nothing else to say really. Even Wigan are doing better than us.
deftones5
22-10-2005, 17:00
absolute joke, 1-0 up at home and still only a feckin point
Phatmann
22-10-2005, 17:00
Disappointing result, especially since Tottenham were 2nd and we were 3rd, and now both of us have dropped 2 points Chelsea have the chance to increase their lead even further when they play Everton tomorrow :mellow: I heard Smith and Scholes played well in midfield which is nice to hear, but really we shouldn't be dropping points at home :(
AgentZero
22-10-2005, 22:03
brilliant performance? you're joking right? :mellow:
it was a sarcastic remark.....i bet most fans applaud him coz of that...anyway disappointed again with UNited...throwing pints to tottenham at home.
The point i was trying to make was that people can say we depend on Rooney, but it is no different than other teams also depending on their star players, as we have seen with Arsenal missing players in the last few weeks, what difference does the age of these players make?
Our team has adapted to having Rooney to the point of not functioning properley without him, just look at England in Euro 2004 people were saying if Rooney had not needed to go off we would have won, and that was almost 2 years ago when he was even younger, and he never looks worn out or tired even though he starts nearly every game. We won things when we didnt have Rooney so we can certainly win things with him in the team and as much as we rely on him doesn't every team have that player? These players make football what it is. Would you rather have Rooney not playing?
Rooney is the greatest talent I have ever seen play football. And that is coming from somebody who has been to OT for the past 20+ years. It's only natural that United will base our side around such a fantastic player, just as Arsenal base theirs around Thierry Henry and there's nothing wrong with that. The problem arises when you consider that we DEPEND on Rooney for inspiration in every single game. When he's not playing we look totally void of ideas. It also says a lot about the state of the club when we rely on one so young for inspiration. Don't give me any of that 'if you're old enough, you're good enough' shite because that's not that point; the point is that Rooney is still a young lad and still has an awful lot to learn. It's not a question of ability it's a question of maturity and experience. The difference was that in the past we always had worldclass players at the peak of their form to help the young players deveolp.
I'm not saying United have a poor side except for Rooney, we have a decent side. Our defence is solid when fully fit and Rio, Ruud and Rooney would walk into any side in the league (including the Champions') the problem lies in creating goals for Ruud to finish. Scholes is a shadow of his former self, Fletcher is still not reaching the predicted heights, and we've had to resort to playing an ex-Leeds centre-forward in central midfield; and that's where our weakness lies. Before Rossi's deflected shot against Sunderland nobody in our team had scored a goal besides Ruud and Rooney. That lack of creativity (and goals) from midfield has been the reason why our performances have been so poor this season. It's why our defence has been put under so much unneccessary pressure, and why we haven't been able to 'kill teams off' like we used to.
So you ask what's wrong with relying on Rooney? Because at a certain point, either through injury, suspension or teams marking him out of games, you need another source of inspiration, and that's something United don't have.
Ronaldo7
23-10-2005, 12:08
Yeah, i agree Ruud has suffered from Beckham's leaving and lack of crosses and passes. With Scholes not doing as good a job in midfield as well there is another lack of good balls into him. What we need is a player who can provide the crosses, through balls and cement a solid playmaker status whilst also being able to surge forward and bring goals from midfield.
That was why i so desperatly wanted to see Van Der Vaart come, but Ballack or Rosicky would also be able to do the job . As for the Rooney thing i think it would be better to agree to disagree as i really cannot be arsed to keep going on with this!
executioner
23-10-2005, 12:25
forget replacing keane, we need someone to replace shcoles.
and guys, to you, what would be a successfull season (besides winning the prem now that we've dropped another 2 points)
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