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AgentZero
23-10-2005, 12:56
umm the only success thats acceptable for a club like UTD is WINNING the EPL...but so far if we can be in the top4 in europe and reach at least the semis thta would please me....more of our young players get a go and start performing week in week out
A bigger reason for Chelsea's huge lead at the top of the Premiership table has to be due to the other big clubs' tendency to drop points too often (United, Arsenal and Liverpool), more so than being unbeatable themselves.
Almost every weekend, at least one of the top clubs drop points, be it Tottenham, City, Charlton etc. Making it difficult for themselves I think.
If they beat Everton they'll be more than 10 points clear even at this early stage of the season :(
i so disappointed with utd we can't afford to drop vital points at home when chelsea are running away with the title
vanNistelrooy
23-10-2005, 13:36
Rumours in The Times today linking us (United) with Vieira. Apparently not happy in Italy with racism etc
AgentZero
23-10-2005, 13:41
well hell be havin a ball with fans at ashburton grove if he does come to united..imagine the dressing room with roy and patrick viera..heated
vanNistelrooy
23-10-2005, 13:44
Well he was smart enough to see Arsenal were a sinking ship, or sinking CIRCUS after yesterday! Well if Roy's off after the season, they won't have to put up with eacother for long. Plus, I think they'd be professional enough, especially if they're in the same team.
Rumours in The Times today linking us (United) with Vieira. Apparently not happy in Italy with racism etc
I remembered after the 2002-03 season there was talk of a 40m pound transfer of Vieira from Arsenal to United :laugh:
vanNistelrooy
23-10-2005, 13:45
Don't think it'd be that much this time round! :D
Then there was Real Madrid's 23m pound bid for Vieira too, before 2004-05, until he was sold to Juventus before this season for a price 10m pounds less than what Real offered :laugh: :lol:
although i hated vieira at arsenal he would be brilliant for us imo
vanNistelrooy
23-10-2005, 13:50
That he would, but at the moment it's just rumours.
AgentZero
23-10-2005, 13:51
good old real have to make do with Gravesen and Pablo Garcia (and someimes becks) as holding mids.....
Ronaldo7
24-10-2005, 13:08
Has anybody seen the post in the real madrid thread about Quieroz trying to get Helguera to join us in January? With our injury problems at the moment and the fact that Heinze will still be out then, Helguera could go into centre-back and Silvestre could switch over to left-back again. He wouldn't be too expensiver either and he can also play as a defensive mid should the need arise. What do you guys think?
Has anybody seen the post in the real madrid thread about Quieroz trying to get Helguera to join us in January? With our injury problems at the moment and the fact that Heinze will still be out then, Helguera could go into centre-back and Silvestre could switch over to left-back again. He wouldn't be too expensiver either and he can also play as a defensive mid should the need arise. What do you guys think?
it would be a good buy cos he is a battling player:D
Has anybody seen the post in the real madrid thread about Quieroz trying to get Helguera to join us in January? With our injury problems at the moment and the fact that Heinze will still be out then, Helguera could go into centre-back and Silvestre could switch over to left-back again. He wouldn't be too expensiver either and he can also play as a defensive mid should the need arise. What do you guys think?
I would guess he will sign a new contract at Real Madrid. The Galacticos have enough defensive worries and will do well to cling on to their best defensive player.
His ability to adapt to either central defence or defensive midfield makes him a great utility player. And his heading abilities would be essential in midfield, something which Roy Keane hasn't been famous for.
Helguera's style doesn't suit United's game or the Premiership though, from what I see in his performances. Silvestre-Ferdinand are a good defensive duo. Ferdinand and Helguera are rather similar, and if he joins he should play in front of the backline rather than in it.
Was linked with Juventus during the last transfer window too.
United Linked With Helguera
Reports in Spain suggest that Carlos Queiroz has asked Real Madrid defender Ivan Helguera to explore a move to Manchester United.
Helguera is out of contract at the end of the season but Real have yet to open talks regarding an extension.
The Spain international has declared a willingness to stay at Santiago Bernabeu, although he will likely have his pick of clubs next summer.
Serie A trio Juventus, Internazionale and Roma are all interested in the 30-year-old, while Bayern Munich are monitoring the situation.
But Premiership giants United could offer the centre half a switch to Old Trafford due to Queiroz's admiration for Helguera.
Queiroz spent a year working with Helguera while he was Real's coach but he is now back at United as assistant manager to Sir Alex Ferguson.
The Portuguese tactician is believed to have a strong influence with The Red Devils and is trying to persuade the club to offer Helguera a deal.
Rumours in Spain claim that Queiroz has spoken to the former Espanyol ace and has asked him to consider a switch to The Premiership next season.
Newcastle United were purportedly interested over the summer and Helguera accepts he will soon be in a position to talk with his suitors.
Helguera said: "From January, I will have the freedom to listen to offers and Madrid know this."
Source: http://www.soccerpulse.com/?p=story&id=488
Ronaldo7
24-10-2005, 13:23
He's also got height going for him as well. Im not too sure though to be honest. He would need to adapt between defending in La Liga to defending in the Premiership, which are quite different and also he must be at least 30 by now. Defensive mid could work though, but he will need to step up his passing in order to do an effective job as i have noticed this seems to be a weak point in his game.
He's also got height going for him as well. Im not too sure though to be honest. He would need to adapt between defending in La Liga to defending in the Premiership, which are quite different and also he must be at least 30 by now. Defensive mid could work though, but he will need to step up his passing in order to do an effective job as i have noticed this seems to be a weak point in his game.
He doesn't seem to me to have declined, even at 30. Plus at that age a transfer wouldn't be costly, considering his contract is ending next June as well.
His tackling is sleek and awesome too :cool:
Something of worry is his shot-blocking. He blocked off efforts from Veron, van Nistelrooy etc. when Real played at Old Trafford in 2002-03, and does them really well too, but a player feinting his shot might take him outta the game. Would still be a great asset in the Premiership though, if he can deal with La Liga attackers then the Premiserhip should be fine too.
Ronaldo7
24-10-2005, 13:36
You certainly are making a convincing argument for us to buy him! are you sure you want to keep him? :)
You certainly are making a convincing argument for us to buy him! are you sure you want to keep him? :)
Of 'cos I want, Real certainly need him more than you do ;) We've got only 3 centre-backs and 2 defensive midfielders excluding him :mellow: I wouldn't wanna see a Bravo-Pavon defensive pairing again :ohmy:
Bash-It!!!
24-10-2005, 14:36
I think they should have placed a recall clause in Jonathan Spector's loan contract with Charlton. But they haven't so maybe Man Utd are going to have to buy their way out of trouble. Or they could rotate their system, something which Sir Alex did when Keane was starting to get old and lose his stamina, which was preventing him from being that box-to-box player we used to know him as.
Ronaldo7
24-10-2005, 15:38
Defense is an area that is causing us problems, but that is only due to injuries, with Heinze and Neville back our defense is one of the strongest in the world (with the possible exception of Silvestre and Rio's form) , never mind the premiership. Midfield should be our biggest concern, and as i previously mentioned we missed out on a big oppourtunity when we let Van Der Vaart go to Hamburg (!?)
Jonathan Spector looks a good prospect from what i have seen but we do not NEED for him to return right now. An attacking and holding midfielder are what we need now, Rosicky or Ballack and if we ever see Jon Obi Mikel than we should give him a try. Oh yeah, does anyone know if Obi Mikel is on PES5, as i want to see if i can have more luck getting him on that than we have had in real life!
AgentZero
25-10-2005, 09:26
the point about reals defensive worries is not true.....just Wanderlei picks the wrong players...Ramos over Woddgate after his performances against Rosenborg is a ccrime and they did pay for it against valencia
Guillermo
25-10-2005, 11:44
I might go down Fergie's house and tell him to sell Scholes and buy Rosicky and Ballack.
If I can avoid the cameras and wild dogs...:mellow:
Ronaldo7
25-10-2005, 15:21
More bad news for those hoping for Saha's return, from manutd.com
"Louis Saha is out of Wednesday night's Carling Cup tie with Barnet after suffering a hamstring injury in training.
The French striker had been expected to make his return to the starting line-up after limping out of the club's Asia Tour, but assistant boss Carlos Queiroz extinguished those hopes in his pre-game press conference.
He said: "Louis is unfortunately out of the game. Yesterday he complained of some pain in the muscle.
"He's going for a scan today so we wi!l not take a risk tomorrow.""
Poor lad, I remember when he first came and in those first few matches he and Ruud were linking up together fantasticly. I hope he returns soon :(
There was also something in the Daily Mirror about Rooney wanting to be captain. I think he would make a fantastic captain, but not as soon as Keane leaves, I think Scholes or Giggs will be given that honour but in future years Rooney could be an strong contender for the captains armband. Opinions?
Saha is too injury prone.
Please God dont let Helguera join Man united!
Ballack or Didier Zokora.
Please God dont let Helguera join Man united!
Why do you say that? :unsure:
Papa Lazarou
25-10-2005, 17:05
It's a bit shit about Saha. He is a good player and can offer us something different in attack but he needs to stay fit and not get injured
Why do you say that? :unsure:
Dont rate him highly enough, im afraid i dont think he would improve Manchester United.
Dont rate him highly enough, im afraid i dont think he would improve Manchester United.
I don't think Helguera suits United's style very much, he doesn't help too much in attack except get up for corners and crosses from free kicks and occasionally head them in, like against Rosenborg.
JimmyHill11
28-10-2005, 16:43
I don't think Helguera suits United's style very much, he doesn't help too much in attack except get up for corners and crosses from free kicks and occasionally head them in, like against Rosenborg.
He made a complete balls up the other night against Deportivo
executioner
28-10-2005, 16:55
It's a bit shit about Saha. He is a good player and can offer us something different in attack but he needs to stay fit and not get injured
definetly so. he was scoring game after game in his season with us then he was injured and £12 went down the drain... i think its time we wrapped his leg in cling film for extra protection.
7RONALDO7
29-10-2005, 17:48
boro 2-0 united
What is SAF doing? Why is ronaldo on the bench?
Wow, SAF must know what he is doing now......he has put Richardson on.
vanNistelrooy
29-10-2005, 18:13
3-0, what's going on?
Indeed, WTF is going on!?
This is a fucking disgrace,what is wrong with us?
vanNistelrooy
29-10-2005, 18:14
I'll give you a clue
Smith DM
Fletcher RM (instead on CM)
I'd hate to be in the changing room at HT :unsure:
I thought the team was good but Fletcher should be swapped for Ronaldo.
zer0_faith
29-10-2005, 18:17
Fletcher really is rubbish, I don't know why he's starting over a quality player like ronaldo. O'shea and Smith aren't exactly lighting the game on fire either. WHAT WAS RICHARDSON THINKING
STUPID OBVIOUS FOUL.
We need a miracle.
vanNistelrooy
29-10-2005, 18:17
We need a miracle.
We need a Spurs 5-3 miracle
We need a Spurs 5-3 miracle
Do you think you've got the players capable of such a miracle?
vanNistelrooy
29-10-2005, 18:20
We've got Rooney, that's enough of a miracle for me! To think when we did vs Spurs, who did we have? Veron :D
I think that Man U have the players but whether they will do it is another question.
We've got Rooney, that's enough of a miracle for me! To think when we did vs Spurs, who did we have? Veron :D
Beckham? Giggs? Scholes?
vanNistelrooy
29-10-2005, 18:22
Well then, famous last words...
W A T C H
T H I S
S P A C E
zer0_faith
29-10-2005, 18:22
If fletcher is still on the pitch after 1/2 time... then no
Well then, famous last words...
W A T C H
T H I S
S P A C E
I didn't say you wouldn't do it, just that it was highly unlikely.
That's my defence if you do manage to pull it off.;)
7RONALDO7
29-10-2005, 18:56
4-0
Forget challenging for the title.
Titles Hopes over utter shit!
Look on the bright side.....................you got your 1000th goal!
7RONALDO7
29-10-2005, 19:15
Ronaldo got the 1000th goal...shows that he should have started...
vanNistelrooy
29-10-2005, 19:15
Atleast we got our 1,000th goal!?
yusuf eeli
29-10-2005, 19:21
Who thinks Man United needs to try something different with their tactics because obviously what fergie is trying is hopeless.
we were CRAP.i just feel sick now.we never seem to do brill against boro.but 4-1 just too much well done SAF:mad:why didn't they ******* play christiano.
Papa Lazarou
29-10-2005, 20:29
FUCKING DISGRACE!!
But im not gonna turn against our players just yet...this fucking injury crisis better end soon or we're in fucking trouble
fattyronaldo
29-10-2005, 21:04
you put a player who's been trained as a forward his whole professional football life and expect him to hold your midfield? his job is to score goals not prevent them. we made that mistake by putting your golden boy becks in the centre and that cost us the treble, the only season we actually came close to winning all 3, and ended up winning nothing. and am i the only one that thinks fletcher doesn't deserve to start?
Thebaptist
29-10-2005, 21:11
Fletcher shuldnt play. Its just fergie's scottish pride... I watch the games from the treble winning year and our team is shite compared to that. Non of the players look as though they can be bothered. The players need to do a lot of growing up till they win anything. And fergie prob wont play ronaldo now that his rape cahrge has come to the forfront anyway.
Ronaldo got the 1000th goal...shows that he should have started...why? he's been awful lately which isn't surprising due to the emotional turmoil of losing his father and this rape charge
FUCKING DISGRACE!!
But im not gonna turn against our players just yet...this fucking injury crisis better end soon or we're in fucking trouble
So you're blaming the defeat on your "Injury Crisis"?
Man Utd don't have great strength in depth, that's the problem.
its just f***ing brilliant. Yesterday we're talking about chasing chelsea in the league... but now? We dont stand a chance against boro, so what odds do we have against chelski?
The fans didn't deserve this, they were more entertaining to watch than the actual team. They were singing constantly, and despite getting battered they were still singing their hearts out. They sang the "Georgey Best" song for at least 20 minutes straight without stopping, it was great.
Clyde Frog
29-10-2005, 21:37
I just got back from the Rangers game and when on to see the Prem scores.
I saw 4-1 to Middlesborough? I was in shock, just what the hell had happened out there?
I remember my brother told me he saw Man Utd play while he was in London that they looked like good contenders this season.
Alan Smith
29-10-2005, 21:41
i cant believe that it was 4-1 what a bunch off jokes.
Lord Shrimpeh
29-10-2005, 22:42
Carlos Queiroz needs to go right now. I have no doubt at all the current problems are mostly due to him. However if Fergie can't manage on his own anymore, he needs to go too. It's drastic perhaps but this season we have been even worse than last. We definatly won't win anything this season without drastic action.
Out of the players we need to get rid of Scholes, he has become awful. We need a defensive midfielder as well. Perhaps some improvements to the bench as well. People like Fletcher are no good enough for the bench of Man U, let alone the first team. True we have injuries at the moment, but that is a feeble excuse.
If all of this was followed I have no doubt we'd improve drastically. However with the Glazer's tight grip on funds, Fergie's unceasing love
for Queiroz and his lack of ability to see his squad is past it... the future don't look to bright.
At least in the post match interview Fergie was candid about the scale of disaster.
AgentZero
29-10-2005, 22:53
F*** Off Fergie.....
GENERAL 75
29-10-2005, 22:54
i've just seen the "highlights" on MOTD and it wasn't good viewing. To be quite honest theres only half dozen if that that play well week in week out. if i was fergie i'd shit myself coz i don't know wot needs doing apart from spending £100m on 4 or 5 new players.
i think we need cb, dm, am, lw atleast. so buy chivu, veira, ballack and downing (maybe no one springs to mind for lw)
AgentZero
29-10-2005, 22:59
fergie is slowly irritating me.....he makes al these F***ed up decisons and then puts the blame on the players (althought hey too are a big part of this) like they play week in week out...the inconsistency lies with the management of the team..releasing Stam and BEeks afetr a stouche...putting alan smith in the heart of midfield...a striker cant really defend you know...NOT PLAYING RONALDO..WTF!...best asset we have (apart from the 27million quid rooney) his indecisveness will lead united to even more losses....i cant see him there in january honestly.
The board are too scared to sack Fergie,we nee drastic changes,i hate to say it but i'm getting bored of The Scholes's and Giggs's that aren't what they used to be.
AgentZero
29-10-2005, 23:53
i 2nd that motion...well whats tehre to be scared of?..fergie sacking them ? if tehre is a fans backlash for it we'll be in the same position as we are now...lingering mid table..with a clueless manager....i need to chll for a bit
Me too,i hav had enough of watching Chelsea run away with the fucking title,we'll probably get bummed next week.
Fergie's face throughout the match today - Priceless. :)
Middlesbrough 4 - 1 Man Utd
Mendieta (2, 78) Ronaldo (90)
Hasselbaink (25)
Yakubu (pen, 45)
Mendieta
Clyde Frog
30-10-2005, 00:22
I have to say, I feel sorry for Edwin van der Sar as he has saved Manchester United throughout this season and been one of there better players and I think he has missed judged Mendieta's goal.
I have to say, I feel sorry for Edwin van der Sar as he has saved Manchester United throughout this season and been one of there better players and I think he has missed judged Mendieta's goal.
I have to agree with you on Edwin saving you this season. Seriously, you'd be 15th at the highest without him. And I'm not being biased there either.
That goal, I wouldn't say Van Der Sar mis-judged the shot, I'd say it was a terribly awkward shot to deal with. It had a nasty spin on it, and took an unusual flight.
Trust me, take your d'G's keeper's word for it!;)
Ronaldo7
30-10-2005, 00:53
At least you guys dont have to deal with the fact that nearly everybody you know supports Middlesbrough! Thank God im not still in college, i would absolutley dread Monday. Oh and does anybody know if Midldlesbrough have more than 3 chants? the fucking useless arses, and i heard somebody shout out "stupid fucking chink" when Park got the ball, i swear to god if i wasnt a relativly non violent person i would have kick some fucking chav arse.:realmad:
...and i heard somebody shout out "stupid fucking chink" when Park got the ball...
:lol:That bit really did make me laugh! :D
Little Gee Sung.
As a man u supporter I am devastated by todays defeat. We need serious rebuilding and fast.
7RONALDO7
30-10-2005, 01:26
I to am a Man Utd supporter.
GENERAL 75
30-10-2005, 01:32
i remember a time when people said the lads on the bench and in the reserves would come top 6 in the league. we def can't say that now. thats wot the problem is.
ps2gtavc
30-10-2005, 01:48
I couldn't believe it 3-0 down at h/t against boro...
The team is nowhere near the 99 team! Watching them for the past season or two they just seem to be fading from the team they were! I feel the squad needs fixed out right away! There are players like fletcher and so on getting regular starting places over the likes of ronaldo and so on. We definitely need some new signings in january! if not i honestly see man utd becoming a mid table team! :(
NikE
OldFirmBlue
30-10-2005, 02:24
Ahh no luck guys....
How times have changed eh? ;)
executioner
30-10-2005, 10:51
we're tottally fucked now. we seriously need to think about this and stop fucking around.
AgentZero
30-10-2005, 11:02
...stop clingin to the past..ive moved on from all that and we need more CHamp league cups NOW...
1. Buy a new midfield player(s)
2. Invest in the future..(we seriously have clung on to the 92 F.A youth squad for far too long)
3. Get new manager lined up....
executioner
30-10-2005, 11:29
2. Invest in the future..(we seriously have clung on to the 92 F.A youth squad for far too long)
our reserves are exellent yet they are rarely given a chance, rossi is a great striker but he has ruud and roony in front of him
Papa Lazarou
30-10-2005, 12:20
alot of our reserves have been sent out on loan this season to prepare them for league experience and we will see them all next season. Especially Spector, Pique, Jones and Rossi
AgentZero
30-10-2005, 12:35
where is young Gerad Pique?...i know Ben Foster is in Watford but thats all i know about our loanies
executioner
30-10-2005, 12:49
where is young Gerad Pique?...i know Ben Foster is in Watford but thats all i know about our loanies
i thought he was still with us.
actually yeah he is cause he was on the bench for one of our champs league games
JimmyHill11
30-10-2005, 17:35
pique played against Barnet the other night.
SAF is really starting to lose his grip on things at United. I think ot goes back to the time he spent squillions on Veron to rejuvenate the midfield. I guess no one knew Veron would be so cack (and at least we recouped a wee bit from that eejit Ranieri) but the fact that we mugged Arsenal of the title in 2003 has just covered up all the cracks that have been widening since then.
The efforts to renew the midfield have been a disaster. Djemba-Djemba? Kleberson? playing O'Shea in the middle last year? playing Smith in there this this season? It's not Fergies fault that Fletcher has gone backwards. I though he looked a real talent a couple of years ago but now there is so much uncertainty and hesitancy in his play and these are worse when he doesn't have an authorative player in there with him (in other words, Keane). It is Fergies responsibility he hasn't been dropped.
The decision to give Ferdinand such a big contract is a rod for Fergie's back. Ferdinand can't be dropeed from the team now. HE DOES DESERVE to be dropped. That's not just Andy Gray fuelled hype. It's not all Ferfies fualt. His hands are tied a little bit with those Glazer f***s.
It wasn't a good result, in fact it was a bad one - but it was in no way as bad as some thought it was.
The match was horrible and the standard of stewarding was even worse. The twats threw out only the smallest and youngest fans trying to do nothing more than support the team.
But on to the performance. Admittedly, it was a shocking display but that still doesn't justify the way some so called 'supporters' have jumped on the bandwagon and made scapegoats out of certain players. Fair enough, Rio was poor but he was without his left back, his right back, and his first choice centre back in a match where the midfield left him completely unprotected. Support can be good or bad and at times ours is shocking, and the vitriol aimed at certain scapegoats was ignorant and ill informed.
So now for some constructive criticism. Where did we go wrong? The time to moan will come should January see us sign nobody to fill the midfield. Currently we have players not up to the job. It's not their fault - they deserved a chance but it's becoming clear, between the constraints of the transfer windows, that they're not the answer. That's fine. At the back and up front we've no worries when all players are fit. When our midfield is fully fit however, it looks short of the high standards that have been set here. It now needs addressing.
That Rio was singled out, completely unprotected by that midfield and with his defensive playing partners absent says much. To blame him is clueless however. Much like some of our support. Or should that be 'support'.
AgentZero
31-10-2005, 05:52
yeah but someone is to blame for most of the talented youngsters going backwards.....O'shea couple of seasons ago looked to be a firm left-back..now he's being plotted everywhere around the park.....Smith doesn't belong in Midfield........Ronaldo there has been a drop in his runs, less spark than before when everytime he gets the ball........Fletcher too only two seasons ago looked quite promising...but nothing
im mainly targeting the coaches and managers for not doing a good enough job
yeah but someone is to blame for most of the talented youngsters going backwards.....O'shea couple of seasons ago looked to be a firm left-back..now he's being plotted everywhere around the park.....Smith doesn't belong in Midfield........Ronaldo there has been a drop in his runs, less spark than before when everytime he gets the ball........Fletcher too only two seasons ago looked quite promising...but nothing
im mainly targeting the coaches and managers for not doing a good enough job
I'm sorry but that's nonsense.
You're blaming a manager who has consistently produced quality youngsters for our current young players not being up to the job? United's coaching hasn't changed a great deal since the class of '92 and we have been very successful at reserve and youth level.
Scholes, as a youngster didn't look as good as Butt, neither did Beckham. Phil Neville looked the best of the lot. Did you spot that in the first few months? No nor did I or Ferguson but they had their chances and the cream rose to the top. Our current players have been given a chance and have proven that they aren't good enough to live up to the high standards we have set. It's not their fault, it's not SAF's fault and it's not the coaches fault either.
Having said that, personally I do think that it's time for a new manager, but the youth system argument you're making isn't the reason for it. United desperately needs to make some serious changes, and the SAF stubborness that has led to so much success during the ninties means that they wont change with him in charge.
As for Ronaldo's dip in form, the lad is having to deal with the death of his father, as well as being charged with a serious crime, and he's having to deal with it all in a foreign country.
manutdfan1999
31-10-2005, 13:30
i believe that man utd's form/fortunes changed once beckham was sold to madrid. once he was gone there has been no consistant crossers like him and no one could score free kicks like him. with RVN bein a box player he needs everything delivered to him and no one rely does that except rooney.rooney, van der sar and possibly smith in my opinion are the only consistant performers in the squad at the moment.
with the defence ferdinand used to be a rock in our defence, but without proper cover from our proper full backs (neville and heinze) he is left open. dont get me wrong i like bardsley but he doesnt have the same presence as neville with the tackles, bursting runs and crosses.
with all the injuries at the moment i dont see utd going anywhere and whats worse is that we have chelsea on sunday with all these problems going on. lets just hope that the score is kept sensible and not anything as bad as middlesborough.
and SAF needs to give park a chance!
JimmyHill11
31-10-2005, 18:14
I'm sorry but that's nonsense.
Our current players have been given a chance and have proven that they aren't good enough to live up to the high standards we have set. It's not their fault, it's not SAF's fault and it's not the coaches fault either.
If Fletcher has got worse over the last 2 years but noone is to blame then it must be bad karma?
I'm not blaming Ferdinand for playing a bit wiffy lately but I do think it was a management mistake to give him such a ridiculous contract
If Fletcher has got worse over the last 2 years but noone is to blame then it must be bad karma?
I'm not blaming Ferdinand for playing a bit wiffy lately but I do think it was a management mistake to give him such a ridiculous contract
Fletcher hasn't gotten worse. He's always been the same mediocre midfielder who works hard and can pass a ball, but lacks the talent to fill the boots of a player like Keane. Like I said earlier, Scholes, as a youngster didn't look as good as Butt, neither did Beckham. Phil Neville looked the best of the lot. You didn't spot that in the first few months, it took time.
We've given the current squad of players time to prove their pedigree in between the constraints of the transfer windows and it's clear there are certain players who aren't good enough.
As for Rio, say what you want about his contract, I'm not going to defend the bloke as a person because I don't know him. What I do know is that he is one of the best centre-backs in the world, and could walk into any side in the Premiership, including the champions and keeping players like him, Rooney, Ruud, Ronaldo and to an extent Van der Sar at the club is absoloutley VITAL to the future of Manchester United.
Besides, he could be getting a million quid a week for I cared, it's Glazer's money he's being paid with and the end justifies the means.
xabi alonso 14
31-10-2005, 19:00
Face it you have had your time i hate to say it but chelsea will dominate the premiership for many years to come as long as they have the russian's backing...
but losing 4 goals to middlesbrough is just sad....
Face it you have had your time i hate to say it but chelsea will dominate the premiership for many years to come as long as they have the russian's backing...
but losing 4 goals to middlesbrough is just sad....
Yes we have. We've been usurped by Chelsea. Fine, when they've had the decade we did then they can gloat, until then they can shut the fuck up.
In the meantime, we've got to remember why we still go. Remember the eighties and nineties and accept that now isn't our time. Turning on players and management with clueless abandon doesn't help. I understand that this means very little to most reds on this forum. Who probably only supported United since the days of Sky telivision and since United were the dominant force in English football.
7RONALDO7
31-10-2005, 22:27
Face it you have had your time i hate to say it but chelsea will dominate the premiership for many years to come as long as they have the russian's backing...
but losing 4 goals to middlesbrough is just sad....
Chelsea cannot be taken seriously, THEY HAVE NO HISTORY!! They all of a sudden "bought" the league and eveyone thinks there the best team EVER!
Whereas United and Liverpool have a big history thats why they are respected.
Keyser Soze
31-10-2005, 22:31
Chelsea cannot be taken seriously, THEY HAVE NO HISTORY!! They all of a sudden "bought" the league and eveyone thinks there the best team EVER!
Whereas United and Liverpool have a big history thats why they are respected.
Bitter?
Chelsea cannot be taken seriously, THEY HAVE NO HISTORY!! They all of a sudden "bought" the league and eveyone thinks there the best team EVER!
Whereas United and Liverpool have a big history thats why they are respected.i respect Chelsea because as Ranieri proved money can't buy you the title, but having the right man at the helm can as Jose proved... i respect alot of people in football for different reasons even if i may not like them personally
Fergie- Think he's such an arsehole after watching a BBC Documentary on him, but i have so much respect for the dynasty he's created at Old Trafford... and having family up in Aberdeen he's a God up there too
Wenger- so much respect for keeping Arsenal up there and playing the football they do on his budget, and his eye for an "unpolished diamond"
Allardyce- can't stand him personally as of late but what a job he has done
Curbishley- year after year they just keep on improving and has raised the expectation levels
Mick McCarthy- Sunderland may be doing shite and i may despise everything about the SMB.... but McCarthy deserves so much respect for all the players he lost as Sunderland manager, and how at Sunderland and Ireland his teams always fight for the cause and have one hell of a team spirit... and who knows what Ireland could have done if Keano was there
JimmyHill11
01-11-2005, 10:58
Turning on players and management with clueless abandon doesn't help. I understand that this means very little to most reds on this forum. Who probably only supported United since the days of Sky telivision and since United were the dominant force in English football.
Now it seems to be you with short memory span. The crowd was starting to turn on Fergie in the late eighties before he started bringing trophies to the club.
Anyway, I'm not turning on SAF. Of course he derserves respect and time to rebuild the team. It's just my opinion that the whole Ferdinand saga is a wrongun. We paid a silly transfer fee for him on the basis of his performances at one world cup. He's a very good centre back - just before his ban he looked one of the most commanding defenders in the world - but his lack of focus (something of a problem all through his career) is alarming. Maybe Carlos is more to blame for some of the recent decision making in the club.
I think Fletcher has regressed. A couple of years ago he loooked like he was developing into a big time midfield player, like when he bossed Vieara in the cup semi final. somthing seems to be up with the coaching of the 1st team. Ronaldo hasn't really gor rid of any of the flaws in his game that he had when he first pitched up at United
zer0_faith
02-11-2005, 20:27
1-0 down to Lille.
Our build-up play is virtually nonexistant, this is what happens when 1/2 of your midfield has poor technical skills and no vision or creativity (smith, fletcher). This cuts crucial players like rooney and ruud out of the game (except when rooney tracks all the way back into our 1/2 which he shouldnt have to do).
Closing down is absolutely shocking, I can't believe how much time the Lille players get on the ball in dangerous attacking positions. And it hasn't just been one time, it's happening consistently, makes me think it's a stupid tactical decision.
scottybhoy
02-11-2005, 20:30
united are mince n best o luck against chelsea try n keep it in single figures lol
executioner
02-11-2005, 20:41
We are fucking bollocks.
that sums it up perfectly.
Papa Lazarou
02-11-2005, 21:49
Yeh we definately need our players back and we need a shake up cause there was no positivity or creativity in our play tonight in midfield and no service to Ruud and Rooney was nowhere tonight
crisis time at old scafford... you better pull yourselves together and shock chelsea!
Ronaldo_is_fat
03-11-2005, 11:47
I have to agree that your midfield is shite. Alan Smith for instance plays like a headless chicken who only tackles, tackles and tackles. Fletcher is obviously shite and he doesn't have the talent to forfill the captain's boots. Richardson is a player out of position with no idea about defending , he'll turn out to be alot better if he stay in WBA.
dazmister
03-11-2005, 11:55
crisis time at old scafford... you better pull yourselves together and shock chelsea!
DOUBTFUL.
u guys should get busy in the january transfer window , buy some good players and sell the ones that are not in the first team plans or played out of fucking position
marcrulz
03-11-2005, 12:18
right in my about 12 years of support for manchester united, Iv never seen anything like the last few weeks, I dont know whats possessed fergie either, you need a goal so rather than take off say fletcher or smith he takes off ronaldo??????? also has he not realised that rooney is ineffective on the left?? and rio ferdinand needs to be sat down alone in a room with roy keane maybe then hell start to try, the midfield is a disaster and no one really has any hunger, I think we will come back from this but I hope that even if we do put a few wins together, fergie better not forget the serious faults and that mr glazier get your wallet out in january we are going to need it, we need one attacking midfielder and one defensive midfielder, also kieran richardson gave his best, but shouldn't park ji sung have been playing?
deftones5
03-11-2005, 12:23
we need a creative midfielder who can provide killer passes and another world class or at least european experienced defender. and some better quality cover for some positions(DMF,FB,CMF). keane wasn't right to have such a go after only 1 defeat(even though it was a hammering!) but after this i don't think anyone would argue if he had came out and said all that today
I'm not goin to start on how unbelievably awful fletcher is or i'll be here all day!
qwerty12
03-11-2005, 12:34
I have to agree that your midfield is shite. Alan Smith for instance plays like a headless chicken who only tackles, tackles and tackles. Fletcher is obviously shite and he doesn't have the talent to forfill the captain's boots. Richardson is a player out of position with no idea about defending , he'll turn out to be alot better if he stay in WBA.
You should remember that the new 'talent' coming through at Utd does not have same kind of support that Beckham, Scholes, Butt, Giggs and the Neville brothers had. They had the likes of Bruce, Robson, Pallister, Cantona, Irwin, Hughes and Mclair etc. If Giggs messed up down the wing, he had Irwin and Bruce to mop things up. There is no point saying that Fletcher is 'shite' when he doesn't have a great and more importantly established side to play in. Any one of the current youngsters at Utd would flourish in the team of 7 years ago. There is no unity in our current Utd side. Worst and most dissappointing of all is there appears to be no desire to go that extra yard.
AND UTD SHOULD BE PLAYING 4-4-2 NOT SOME DUMBASS RIP OFF OF JOSE'S 4-1-3-1-2-1-1-4 SHITE.
It works for Chelsea NOT FOR UTD!!!!
Phatmann
03-11-2005, 12:41
but shouldn't park ji sung have been playing?
that baffled me. When park came on he was running all over the place trying to create moves.
deftones5
03-11-2005, 13:00
he looks sharp every time he comes off the bench/starts
who all would be your ideal signings in Jan?
i'd love ballack, de jong, snjeider AND maybe adriano.......j/k
executioner
03-11-2005, 18:09
we need MINIMUM 2 midfielders in january and maybe even a defender but the midfield is our main concern.
balack for sure but i hear that their manager is being a dick about it!
he looks sharp every time he comes off the bench/starts
who all would be your ideal signings in Jan?
i'd love ballack, de jong, snjeider AND maybe adriano.......j/k
sneijder would be great,adriano will be great too but doubt wel get him.Ballack would be great an all.Kak'a in my opinion is the man we need.although i would prefer 2 midfielders rather then 1.Now Roy Keane has been dissing the young man u players and he has been linked with a move to Celtic.And Scholsy isnt the same scholes as he used to be.We need to soon buy buy buy!!!!!!!!
sneijder would be great,adriano will be great too but doubt wel get him.Ballack would be great an all.Kak'a in my opinion is the man we need.although i would prefer 2 midfielders rather then 1.Now Roy Keane has been dissing the young man u players and he has been linked with a move to Celtic.And Scholsy isnt the same scholes as he used to be.We need to soon buy buy buy!!!!!!!!Adriano, Kaka.... behave yourself
executioner
03-11-2005, 18:21
Adriano, Kaka.... behave yourself
OI ! we can dream...
Adriano, Kaka.... behave yourself
i was only saying;)
Phatmann
03-11-2005, 18:34
http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=322405&CPID=8&clid=&lid=2&title=Red+Devils+eye+Jones+rec all
Personally, I think it's very good news cos Jones has played well over the past year and is currently doing well at Preston. Also, the way we are playing at the moment I don't see why he wouldn't start in centre mid instead of fletcher.
7RONALDO7
03-11-2005, 18:56
My Dad told me that Liam Miller has gone to Leeds on Loan...not sure if its true.
vanNistelrooy
03-11-2005, 18:58
Adriano, Kaka.... behave yourself
Well if Owen can move to shitty Newcastle I wouldn't rule them out!
Sneijder would be excellent, would love to see him at OT. My christmas (well, January) list would consist of:
Sneijder
Vieira
Micoud
De Rossi
vanNistelrooy
03-11-2005, 18:58
My Dad told me that Liam Miller has gone to Leeds on Loan...not sure if its true.
Read the link above your post...he has.
My Dad told me that Liam Miller has gone to Leeds on Loan...not sure if its true.
It is.
Oh, and I very much doubt that David Fox's loan will be recalled.
Phatmann
03-11-2005, 20:33
It is.
Oh, and I very much doubt that David Fox's loan will be recalled.
don't you mean david jones?:unsure:
don't you mean david jones?:unsure:
Yeah, I couldn't keep up. Forgot he had to change his name after the ban.
Papa Lazarou
03-11-2005, 21:09
I don't see why Dave Jones was sent on loan anyway. He was ready for first team action!
Phatmann
04-11-2005, 08:28
:laugh: Anyone see the reserves match v wigan? Wigans keeper scored against Howard from his own box :laugh:
Well if Owen can move to shitty Newcastle I wouldn't rule them out!ah so much maturity
Phatmann
04-11-2005, 14:25
Solskjaers christmas target
http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=267527&itype=466&icategoryid=120
AgentZero
04-11-2005, 19:34
we need ballack....a strong idfield player..so we can chuck Smith back in the becnh as a relief for teh two strikers......4-5-1 works when ye f***in got quality cm's...but the players we're playing there are just not up to scratch...
chelsea plays Makele, Lampard and Essien in their 4-5-1......that is a much stronge middle 3 than say our usual 3....Fletch-Smith-Scholes.....not a single holding defender...smith tries to be one but at the end of the day he's just a striker...throw PArk into the equation and we'll have three very attacking minded players....not bothering about the big hole left in the middle..i dunno this is just my usual ramble out frustration of a team that looks soo good on paper but are so poor on the field...i can not see a secured Champ league or UEFA league spot the way we're going.
....not bothering about the big hole left in the middle..i dunno this is just my usual ramble out frustration of a team that looks soo good on paper but are so poor on the field
Since when has the United team looked great on paper?
AgentZero
04-11-2005, 21:01
since we started splashing our cash on players:
like i presume everyones first choice team would be a s follow:
Edwin
Neville - Ferdinand - Silvestre - Heinze
Ronaldo - Keane - Scholes - Giggs
Rooney - Van Nistleroij
take out heinze, gaz and keano we still have pretty much the same team but not performing.
anyone watching man u's greatest goals on SKYONE now.Bring it on chelsea on Sunday.i mean at the end of the day Chelsea lost against Betis sooo i think if we actually work as a team we have a great chance:D
Match preview from www.goal.com:
Prem Preview: Manchester United–Chelsea
And so it comes down to this – one titanic match between the most powerful and attractive footballing force in English football and Manchester United. The best description to fit United this season is “How the Mighty are Fallen” and many fans are fearful that in this match Chelsea will not only prove their new dominance but will enjoy rubbing it in United’s faces. It’s very sad to admit that in their current hapless, helpless, hopeless state a 1-0 defeat by Chelsea would probably be seen as a minor triumph. How the Mighty are fallen, indeed!
BACKGROUND
Although United dominated the nineties with occasional interruptions from Arsenal it is obvious that the injection of countless millions by Roman Abramovich has totally and possibly irrevocably altered the landscape of Premiership football.
Recent results and, particularly, performances have been abject and the mutterings of disquiet have been getting louder and then focussed into a biting, angry scream from Roy Keane during his infamous Interview That Never Was. The fact that so many fans agree with the injured Keane was evidenced by the fervent chanting of his name at the start of the Lille match plus the telling demonstration at the end when the fans carried on booing while turning their back on the pitch and the team.
In short the United team is in decline, possibly terminal, and the weaknesses, though aggravated by the clutch of injuries to players like Neville, Keane, Fortune, Heinze etc, are not the sole reason. There is a weakness at the heart of the team and several well-paid players, generally the subject of the Keane rant, are coasting their way through the season.
This match represents the sternest test that United have faced so far this season, and there is nothing in any of the displays in the past six weeks to suggest that United could match, let alone beat, the rampant Blues. In every area of the first team squad Chelsea are the equal of United with several players – Robben, Essien, Duff - forming a list of players United believe Chelsea stole from them.
But it is in the sub-first team area that United’s paucity shows up. Should a Chelsea star suffer a drop in form or an injury there is an international class star waiting and eager to take his place. Not so with United, and the increasingly insipid displays over the last month have only highlighted a gap between the two squads that is already wide and will only grow.
Perhaps starting on Sunday.
CURRENT FORM:
Man.Utd (Premiership only,most recent first) : LDWWLD
Two performances away from home in the past week and two defeats show a team in deep distress. It’s difficult to pull any saving graces out of these disasters and the performance at Middlesbrough was as shabby and inept as fans can remember in the Fergie era. Their form at present is closer to relegation than Championship and unless something radically changes it’s difficult to see substantial changes happening, certainly in terms of an upward movement in the table.
Chelsea (Premiership only, most recent first): WDWWWW
Two weeks ago the unlikely spectacle of Chelsea dropping two points to Everton and then losing to Charlton in the Carling Cup led some to believe or hope that a decline was underway. A ruthless crushing of Blackburn indicated otherwise and Chelsea travel north in fine spirits. Old Trafford is generally a lucky ground for Chelsea and current form suggests that their run will not be ended on Sunday.
TEAM NEWS:
Man.Utd: The squad is still palpably weak because of the absence of Keane, Neville, Fortune, and Solskjaer, though Louis Saha is close to a comeback. The Lille match on Wednesday didn’t throw up anything more than minor knocks and damaged spirits so the team will probably be the same as in the Lille match.
Chelsea: No problems from the European defeat on Tuesday means that Mourinho will be able to visibly exploit the strength of his squad and its numerical and quality superiorities over United. This might be the match to put out a full-strength team to dominate and crush United with only Damien Duff likely to change the recent lineup.
WATCH OUT FOR:
Man.Utd: United are getting desperate for Wayne Rooney to turn it on, and there is unlikely to be a bigger stage for a United player this season. If the 20 year old can establish superiority over England teammates like Terry, Lampard and Cole it could go a long way towards enabling United to achieve a triumph which most people would see as a shock.
Chelsea: Mourinho rates Frank Lampard as the best goalscoring midfield player in the world and surely only the most myopic United fans would seriously disagree. What United could do with his industry, his goals, his sheer undeniable class. He could well be the best player in the hopefully successful England team in the World Cup in Germany next summer.
PROBABLE STARTING XIs:
Man.Utd: Van der Saar, O’Shea, Ferdinand, Brown, Silvestre, Fletcher, Smith, Scholes, Ronaldo, Rooney, Van Nistelrooy.
Chelsea: Cech, Gallas, Ricardo Carvalho, Terry, Del Horno, Makelele, Robben, Lampard, Essien, Joe Cole, Drogba
PREDICTION:
Only the most rabid United fan can approach this fixture with any sort of confidence. United have been lurching from crisis to crisis over recent weeks but perversely it might be the ultimate challenge that brings them back to the team the fans used to love. Even so it is difficult and painful to admit that anything but a comfortable Chelsea victory is highly unlikely.
since we started splashing our cash on players:
like i presume everyones first choice team would be a s follow:
Edwin
Neville - Ferdinand - Silvestre - Heinze
Ronaldo - Keane - Scholes - Giggs
Rooney - Van Nistleroij
take out heinze, gaz and keano we still have pretty much the same team but not performing.
Is that fook a strong team.
Our first choice XI at the moment includes a midfield of Fletcher, a player clearly not up to the high standards United have set, Smith, an ex-Leeds striker who we're currently playing out of position, and Scholes, who has been a shadow of his former self for the past 18 months.
In defence we have a back four including a terribly inconsistent Frenchman, a poor left back who is a left winger and a right back who is a below-par left back.
Nobody in their RIGHT MIND could say that our current squad was a strong team.
Take away Ruud, Rooney Rio and Van der Sar and you have at best a side which would struggle to qualify for a European place.
Magpie4eva
05-11-2005, 12:08
I think Gary Neville is utter crap. ManYoo need a new Right Back
I think Gary Neville is utter crap. ManYoo need a new Right Backbehave yourself
Magpie4eva
05-11-2005, 12:32
behave yourself
Yes Godfather :ninja:
pro maniac
05-11-2005, 13:08
I think Gary Neville is utter crap. ManYoo need a new Right Back
Gary neville has been a loyal and fantastic servant to man u over the years. if anyones crap it boumsong for your bloody team UTTER CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Silvestre isnt doing well aswell. I hate to mention it, but it seems Van der Sar is starting to show his age. Not that his old or anything. He does have good reflexes for a 34 year old (i think), its just not the right time for him to play with the current situation at Man.U. A younger keeper i would have always preferred. If its not Van der Sar and im wrong, then its the bloody defence, which really is shocking. O'shea has been poor lately. Keane pointed out the real problem at man.u, when he was blaming at those five players miller, o'shea etc. i also agree is the problem aswell.
Phatmann
05-11-2005, 14:39
http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?inewsid=267167
:mellow:
http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?inewsid=267167
:mellow:
Tyson will be at old Trafford as part of his tour. And will have his dinner there, wtf? :mellow: indeed.
executioner
05-11-2005, 15:32
http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?inewsid=267167
:mellow:
tyson is actually a big rooney fan. he said something like "i've seen he's had some problems with his temperment and i'd like to meet him as its something i can relate to"
7RONALDO7
05-11-2005, 16:20
Hope he dont mean meet him in the boxing ring....
Phatmann
05-11-2005, 18:59
http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=322804&cpid=23&CLID=1&lid=&title=United+consider+Duscher&channel=premiership
What do you guys think of us trying to sign the guy who injured Beckham? I think he'd be a decent signing for us as Depor are my spanish team and also he's probably better than smith in midfield.
Aldo Duscher? I think he's wank personally. Probably better than Smith and Fletcher, but there's FAR better available players out there than him.
Phatmann
05-11-2005, 19:13
Aldo Duscher? I think he's wank personally. Probably better than Smith and Fletcher, but there's FAR better available players out there than him.
Yep, i have to agree with you there, that there are better around than Duscher but at this moment I just want anyone to take Smith or Fletchers place ASAP.
Yep, i have to agree with you there, that there are better around than Duscher but at this moment I just want anyone to take Smith or Fletchers place ASAP.
I'd rather keep Smith and Fletcher in the centre than spend money on yet another sub-standard player.
Phatmann
05-11-2005, 22:35
I'd rather keep Smith and Fletcher in the centre than spend money on yet another sub-standard player.
Well it depends how much, but to be honest I'd rather just bring back david jones.
AgentZero
05-11-2005, 22:50
...its make or break......
and all this talk that Gaz Neville is shite...is utter crap..hes been the most consistent player for the past few seasons...we could see that, we miss him dearly when we're faced w/ Jonn Os'hea in that position........throw phillip bardsley there anyday ahead of o'shea....
Well it depends how much, but to be honest I'd rather just bring back david jones.
He'll not cut it for a couple of years either.
If come January we don't see major investment in the squad then there's no chance of our current midfield living up to our expectations. That includes all loanees, future transfers and anyone else you care to name.
Guillermo
06-11-2005, 16:41
1-0. Come on lads. I'll be counting down the minutes from now on.
EDIT: HT
Magpie4eva
06-11-2005, 17:33
Well my bet is gone. How many minutes left...Was Fletchers goal good?
Fletchers goal was a header from a C.Ronaldo cross.
Well done lads, brilliant defending................well deserved victory.
7RONALDO7
06-11-2005, 17:55
Great Win!! We Did To Chelsea As We Did To Arsenal!!!!
Cmon!!!!!
Great match! Glad to see Man Utd winning this game.
vanNistelrooy
06-11-2005, 18:05
Cheers Joel, good game.
When Ruud missed that chance, I almost cried :D
martin_cranie
06-11-2005, 18:05
Well done guys, a well deserved victory. Hopefully that'll take the bastards down a peg or two.
On a darker note for you though, i think it would be unwise to start thinking that this is your season well and truly back on track. You've got to keep that sort of level up consistently and i doubt that you can do that.
Well come on you can't expect an Arsenal fan to come over here and just praise you... ;)
vanNistelrooy
06-11-2005, 18:08
I don't understand why they can't do that every week? For the past few seasons we only seem to play to the standards of our opposition, the reason we drop points vs the likes of WBA and Pompey.
Cheers Joel, good game.
When Ruud missed that chance, I almost cried :D
When he missed that chance I was sure we was going to get back into the game, but it wasn't to be. As horrible as it sounds, you just can't win every game and I am happy we lost fairly to a very good team.
Congrats again and let the race begin!
Guillermo
06-11-2005, 18:10
:idhitit:
horahh!! I told ya'll if we play like a team we have a great chance.Great header by Fletcher:D:D:D:cool::cool:
Phatmann
06-11-2005, 18:28
:) :D :laugh: :idhitit:
great game :cool:
sheringham316
06-11-2005, 18:37
Fuckin get in there!!
I think this may well be there only achievement this season so enjoy it!!
What did fergie say?... as i heard the interviewer say 'theres kids watching, excuse us for the language'
...well something along the lines of that?
Phatmann
06-11-2005, 18:38
Fuckin get in there!!
I think this may well be there only achievement this season so enjoy it!!
What did fergie say?... as i heard the interviewer say 'theres kids watching, excuse us for the language'
...well something along the lines of that?
he said 'balls' i believe.
I don't understand why they can't do that every week? For the past few seasons we only seem to play to the standards of our opposition, the reason we drop points vs the likes of WBA and Pompey.play like what? fair play on the result but i wouldn't say you's played excellent though, grinded out an awesome result but wouldn't say you's outplayed them
vanNistelrooy
06-11-2005, 18:38
"Well that's a load of bollocks."
Phatmann
06-11-2005, 18:40
play like what? fair play on the result but i wouldn't say you's played excellent though, grinded out an awesome result but wouldn't say you's outplayed them
I think it's more, why couldn't we have played with as much commitment and effort as today cos the effort shown in the past 2 matches was woeful.
"Well that's a load of bollocks."so did ya dominate Chelsea?
vanNistelrooy
06-11-2005, 18:44
so did ya dominate Chelsea?
That's what SAF said ya fool. I thought we were far better first half, second half they were. At the end of the day I don't care, we won!
so did ya dominate Chelsea?
I don't think he said 'bollocks' to what you said. I think he was answering the question on what Fergie said.
Get in what a result,Smith just proved me wrong,what a game he had.
vanNistelrooy
06-11-2005, 18:46
Get in what a result,Smith just proved me wrong,what a game he had.
He kinda played the Phil Neville role, and played aswell as Phil did against Arsenal.
The first half Utd was great, with constent pressure on Chelsea.
In the second half it was a diffrent story. It was like they were asking for Chelsea to attack :\
But who cares? :P
uA - 1905
06-11-2005, 19:05
Man U were the better side. They did what they had to do in the second half and they defended perfectly. If they thought of doing counter attacks they would have found more goals. Chelsea was ineffective, I don't remember them making more than 4 consecutive passes in the Man U half. Smith did well today and he was as agressive and determined as Keane. Good victory for Man U, and reminded me of last year when Arsenal flopped after a defeat in Old Trafford. A similar Chelsea flop and Wigan taking the lead would be awesome to see.
I just looked at Garth Crookes team of the week on www.bbc.co.uk and i was glad to see that Alan Smith was in the team since he was bloody amazing today.
vanNistelrooy
06-11-2005, 19:45
Who was in the team?
GK: Van Der Sar
DL: Konchesky
DR: Chimbonda
DC: De Zeeuw
DC: Gabbidon
ML: Malbranque
MR: Emerton
MC: Gerrard
MC: Smith
FC: Henry
FC: Bellamy
vanNistelrooy
06-11-2005, 19:51
Not bad Edwin being in there, expecially as he only made one save! Still a great and inportant one at that!
Papa Lazarou
06-11-2005, 19:57
Today was a fantastic result and well deserved.
Smith played brilliantly and the whole team regained that drive and purpose which they had seemed to lose in recent weeks. Now we need to go on a huge winning streak and show the premiership that we're still a force
ps2gtavc
06-11-2005, 20:03
Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !!
I'm So Happy.
o0oGedo0o
06-11-2005, 20:09
I was confident of that win, it's just chelsea are so confident and Man Utd were trying to avenge their last defeat. Great result.
Regarding the Sergio Ramos speculation, I don't really see why we need him as our full backs are one of our strong points. Gary Neville and Gabriel Heinze have been great for us this season and aren't exactly old yet. He may be an investment for the future but I think it would be better to get someone in who will play straight away, instead of using up all our transfer money on a prospect for the future.
sorry but that statement didn't really make sense as you said Heinze and Neville were great this season and aren't exactly old.
Then you say why invest for the future ?????
Thats exactly what you should be doing as Ramos will be a good replacement (For the future).
And why buy someone to (replace) Heinze/Neville if their playing well??:unsure:
marcrulz
06-11-2005, 20:20
great performance for about an hour and great last 10 inutes, there was a wee edgy spell but that was to be expected we could have scored a game, gd victory keep it up lads.
Phatmann
06-11-2005, 20:26
sorry but that statement didn't really make sense as you said Heinze and Neville were great this season and aren't exactly old.
Then you say why invest for the future ?????
Thats exactly what you should be doing as Ramos will be a good replacement (For the future).
And why buy someone to (replace) Heinze/Neville if their playing well??:unsure:
Didn't I say this quite a while ago, like before ramos went to madrid?:unsure:
Didn't I say this quite a while ago, like before ramos went to madrid?:unsure:
:lol: My bad sorry mate:blush:
AgentZero
06-11-2005, 20:35
Ironic isnt it......the player we slammed and criticised was the one thta provided relief.....god damn karma
executioner
06-11-2005, 20:49
fucking great match lads. we well deserved it.
nice to see ronaldo turn the defenders inside out. ran past about 6 at once early on and set up the goal.
funny seeing fergie swear too LOL.
yusuf eeli
06-11-2005, 21:16
Great match.
Ronaldo - So happy to see him back to how he was
Rio- Solid
Smith- Quality
Flectcher- Played his best football for a while
Rooney- my man of the match, so much energy and enthusiam in him and always consistant
Fergie- 'Absolute bollocks' lolol
executioner
06-11-2005, 21:20
chelsea played absolute bolocks!!!
Ronaldo_is_fat
07-11-2005, 08:36
Smith proved me wrong as a failure in midfield, he made Lampard looked like a fool. I thought a draw would be a fair result though because you guys kind of dominate the first half but Chelsea dominate the second half.
Ronaldo7
07-11-2005, 11:24
Ok i feel i should say this. Yes it was a great result against Chelsea, good for us and good for the Premiership, BUT... this was just one good performence in one half coming after a sluaghter by one of the worst teams in the premiership and a loss to a champions league side lucky to qualify.
Smith and Fletcher had good games but why were they not doing this in our previous games? Should it take a scathing from Keane to actually make them want to prove themselves? shouldnt they be doing this all the time as soon as they put on that shirt? wee still need to make signings in January and in the summer. I just feel perhaps people are getting a little too excited about a win over a team that were, quite frankly, unlucky to get at least a draw.
Ronaldo_is_fat
07-11-2005, 12:06
Although as an Arsenal fan I have to admit that Keane is undoubtly the best captain I ever seen. Everytime he makes a public criticisim on his team, United will bounce back.
AgentZero
07-11-2005, 12:09
it proves how much he is respected and players whimper at his public discontent with one or many of them
Guillermo
07-11-2005, 16:59
chelsea played absolute bolocks!!!
Steady on now
Well done to United though i was very confident Man united could beat Chelsea, hopefuly united can progress from here.
To be fair chelsea did not play badly they dominated last 10 mins mainly, but overall best game i have seen so far this season.
Elton John
07-11-2005, 17:11
You've been watching some shit games then.
Fool what other game has been better?
Liverpool vs man utd?
Lille vs man utd?
skullverine
07-11-2005, 17:18
but overall best game i have seen so far this season.
yeah man, for the first time ever this season, i didn't feel bored watching that game
yeah man, for the first time ever this season, i didn't feel bored watching that game
It was about time there was a decent big game, other matches have failed to live up to expectation.
Magpie4eva
07-11-2005, 17:22
Great game and hopefully this will affect Chelski next week when they smack us sillyc
Cannon ball
07-11-2005, 17:24
I can't see Chelsea suffering the "old trafford curse" like what happened to Arsenal next season. Great result for Wigan fans:D
Elton John
07-11-2005, 17:42
Fool what other game has been better?
Liverpool vs man utd?
Lille vs man utd?
Middlesborough vs United
Middlesborough vs United
Sorry wat was that West brom vs Arsenal?
Fergie urges others to follow United's lead
Sir Alex Ferguson has called on the Barclays Premiership to follow Manchester United's lead by `having a go' at Chelsea in the future.
After a week from hell which included hammer blow defeats to Middlesbrough and Lille, plus the gaping wound inflicted from within by Roy Keane's devastating, `unbroadcastable' assessment of Ferguson's current charges, the Red Devils climbed off the canvas to wreck Jose Mourinho's 40-match unbeaten run.
Even Ferguson admitted he was getting scared late on as Chelsea poured forward looking to level Darren Fletcher's first-half effort.
But in the end, United clung on for a win which should at least prevent the Stamford Bridge outfit effectively sealing back-to-back titles before the Christmas presents are opened.
Ferguson's plan to get the ball forward quickly, by-passing Michael Essien and Claude Makelele in the Chelsea midfield, in an effort to get Cristiano Ronaldo and Wayne Rooney running at the visitors' defence worked to perfection.
It was a slight adaptation of the tactics David Moyes used to bring Chelsea's winning start to the season to an end last month, and also those adopted by Sam Allardyce and Mark Hughes, whose Bolton and Blackburn sides have also caused the Londoners problems recently.
But Ferguson believes United have now exposed a potential Achilles heel in Chelsea's play, and one he hopes their rivals will be quick to exploit.
'Hopefully, the result will have an effect,' he said.
'Other clubs will take notice and say `let's get at them'.
'We wanted to get the ball forward to Cristiano, Wayne and Ruud van Nistelrooy because we felt they could cause Chelsea problems and they all did really well.
'When we were playing our football, I felt we were the better team. It was only when anxiety started to take over in the second half and we began to sit back that we were really hanging on.
'It was a bit scary for 25 minutes but once we got to the last five minutes, I didn't think Chelsea were going to do anything.'
As they reflected on the thrilling encounter served up by their respective sides over a glass of vintage red wine, Ferguson and Mourinho were no doubt thinking how fortunes can so quickly turn in the modern game.
After Ferguson was forced to fend off so much criticism in the build-up to the contest, Mourinho was batting back talk of mounting pressure after the final whistle.
Yet, when they take a step back, both would accept nothing much has changed. Chelsea are still overwhelming favourites to clinch back-to-back titles while United keenly await the return of injured stars to take the burden of expectation off young shoulders so badly bruised by the events of the previous eight days.
'The problem with young players is that you don't get consistency from them,' admitted Ferguson.
'We have seven men missing just now who represent the backbone of our team and we are asking the young lads to carry the mantel every week.
'You have to be patient with players like that. You don't kill them or destroy them.'
Normally so antagonistic towards the international game, this two-week break could not have come at a better time for Ferguson, who may have Gary Neville and Louis Saha back for the trip to Charlton on November 19.
After starting yesterday's encounter only just in the top half of the table, United suddenly find themselves in third, 10 points adrift of Chelsea with a game in hand.
If they are not quite perfectly placed to mount a title challenge, the Red Devils are at least in a position to launch an offensive, providing they can reach the same heady standards on a far more consistent basis.
It is a big ask for a team over which so many doubts have been raised but, as Mikael Silvestre pointed out, if United can answer the distress call once, they can do it again.
'The alarm bells were ringing and everyone heard them,' said the French defender.
'We proved we are not dead. We can still fight for first spot in the Premier League but we have to play like we did against Chelsea in every game.
'Chelsea had a couple of scares against Wigan and Arsenal before they played us, so maybe it is their turn to have a bad run.'
Source: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=348530&cc=4716
executioner
07-11-2005, 20:59
Middlesborough vs United
middlesborough vs arsenal.
Steady on now
it was relating to what fergie said!
snoopsimon
07-11-2005, 21:09
Have to say we should not be getting carried away with the win over Chelsea. While it does prove we can beat anyone on our day we are not currently performing consistently well and unless we started playing hearts on sleeves like that every week then we will never catch up with the Blues.
Alan Smith showed he can play outstandingly in the midfield role but he needs to perform like this week in week out to be a regular in that slot IMHO. Thought Ronaldo played well too, though he still has to work on his final ball, which is sometimes lacking in quality after all the hard work he puts into his dribbling. Wes Brown also impressed even though he is still just on his way back, I would love to see him get a good run of games and hopefully go on to become the World Class centre back he promised to be in his youth before the horrendous injuries started happening.
Guillermo
07-11-2005, 21:11
Sorry wat was that West brom vs Arsenal?
No I'm pretty sure he said Middlesbrough vs. United;)
Unfortunately:crymore:
executioner
07-11-2005, 21:44
No I'm pretty sure he said Middlesbrough vs. United;)
Unfortunately:crymore:
http://www.4thegame.com/matchcentre/premiership/reports/176453/middlesbrough-fc-vs-arsenal-fc.html
now those poofs can stop bringing it up.
Ronaldo7
08-11-2005, 01:17
Every single one of my Boro supporting friends has been ripping me shitless all week, untill i reminded them that their best ever season was wining the carling cup, which conversley was our worst season in which we won the F.A cup. that fucking shut them up!
AgentZero
08-11-2005, 07:56
well done.....bloody mugs...next game we'll slaughter them..
Although as an Arsenal fan I have to admit that Keane is undoubtly the best captain I ever seen. Everytime he makes a public criticisim on his team, United will bounce back.
its nice to see some outside recognition for the captain
o0oGedo0o
08-11-2005, 20:59
It's just sad to see Smith wasted by playing as a DMF, Scholes and Giggs are living their last days on the pitch so I think we need a decent DMF fast.
jack kallis
08-11-2005, 22:06
hi everybody!
just like to say that we(manchester united) have a good and easy run of games (apart from the CL games) til january when we have 3 challenging weeks.
just like to say
we need one more quality midfielder (e.g Ballack)
another decent but young midfielder(e.g this Zokrea person)(i know my spelling)
and in my opinion one more world class center back, just to see us out the season, as heinze is out
PS...we should ALWAYS stick to 4-4-2
executioner
08-11-2005, 22:33
PS...we should ALWAYS stick to 4-4-2
the only reason we defended so well in the 2nd half was by switching to 4-5-1 but yes 4-4-2 is our goal scoring tactic.
did anyone hear that quierez has been banned from giving orders on the sidelines?
AgentZero
09-11-2005, 06:08
words out that Fergie says he'll definately buy a player in the Jan Trasfer window....the question is who?
front runners got to be Ballack and Obi Mikel.....can someone make some kind of poll in this thread...
can someone make some kind of poll in this thread...
You shouldn't buddy :D Look at the Real Madrid one, it's unremovable :(
I think United will probably wait till after the season to move for Ballack, as it seems unlikely that Bayern's cpatain is looking for a move in January and moving early for him would cost more.
AgentZero
09-11-2005, 11:20
i thought Kahn is Bayerns Captain....anyho...
Manuel Fernandez, Javier MAscherano, Al Duscher, some dude witha weird name that i cant remem are fergies targets....all cm players...
On the man utd website it mentions fergie being interested in Dutch midfielder Nigel De Jong and Argentine midfielder Aldo Duscher.I haven't really seen much of them so ill ask has anyone? and how would you rate them?
NikE
AgentZero
09-11-2005, 12:52
Aldo will get booed for being the argentine that broke becks foot.....Nigel De Jong is good, was better back in the ajax of Van Der Vaart and Zlatan...but i guess definately good singing.....any thought on Kompany ( a CB/DMC) coming into united?
Ronaldo7
09-11-2005, 13:24
i thought he was supposed to be going to chelsea?
deftones5
09-11-2005, 16:54
kompany is great but he just signed a new contract with anderlecht at the start of the season so he's not too likely. i like de jong always put him in my master league team and he's very versatile. duscher isn't that great he's just been having a good season IMO.
o0oGedo0o
09-11-2005, 19:36
Ok just seen this on TV, it seems like Man UTD are after Casillas (according to marca spanish newspaper), do we really need him?
I think that Casillas would be a good signing but he wouldn't like to be on the bench while Van Der Sar is still there but maybe they will sign him in a year or two.
executioner
09-11-2005, 20:11
I think United will probably wait till after the season to move for Ballack, as it seems unlikely that Bayern's cpatain is looking for a move in January and moving early for him would cost more.
balacks contract runs out in the summer and as he wont sign a new contract, byern are more likely to sell him now cause madrid are also after him.
deftones5
09-11-2005, 20:25
no way they'll sell him in jan. he wants to win the CL before he retires which he has a decent chance of doing this season with bayern, if he moves he'll be cup tied. plus bayern would get about 8million for winning it(not sayin they will or anything!) which is what they'd be looking in jan if they sold him then. it makes more sense for him to stay so at least he may win somethin big with his fav club before he leaves in the summer
executioner
09-11-2005, 20:27
well balack will leave in the summer so what will happen then?
deftones5
09-11-2005, 20:29
he'll go to utd or madrid is my guess
executioner
09-11-2005, 20:31
he'll go to utd or madrid is my guess
then it would be on a free, i thought they would sell him earlier so thye can get something for him.
deftones5
09-11-2005, 20:33
nah i think they're dissappointed about losin him obviously but if they sell him it'll seriously f*ck up their CL chances. tv rights they'll get for progressing further etc. will make up for that or like i was sayin before "if" they win it which i doubt but then again look at porto and l'pool
executioner
09-11-2005, 20:34
so besides him, who do you think is MOST LIKELY to come to united?
Papa Lazarou
09-11-2005, 20:36
John Obi Mikel IS our player!!! there's no doubt about it
deftones5
09-11-2005, 20:39
de jong
zokora
aubey
but i'd love more than anyone wesley snjeider of ajax
AgentZero
09-11-2005, 23:39
Bayern Will not let Ballack move for free to either mAnchester or MAdrid..they're definately selling him in jan
Ronaldo7
10-11-2005, 11:23
i remember saying this ages ago and everyone was disagreeing with me. you have all underestimated the fact that I AM ALWAYS RIGHT.
deftones5
10-11-2005, 13:01
i would be willing to put my life savings on ballack stayin to the end of the season. it makes no sense for him. HE WON'T BE ABLE TO PLAY IN THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE IF HE MOVES IN JAN!!
executioner
10-11-2005, 21:59
news just in says that ruud has left hollands training camp cause of a bruised rib. hopefully its not a long term thing and he'll be back for next week.
vanNistelrooy
10-11-2005, 22:10
I read about that earlier on my WAP, probably just as a caution. It's only a friendly, and he wouldn't want to miss any games for United.
news just in says that ruud has left hollands training camp cause of a bruised rib. hopefully its not a long term thing and he'll be back for next week.
:realmad: great!
According to fergie he will try to get around 7 players.
A few-: Defensive midfielders.
Duscher (deportivo)
Zokora (St Ettiene)
Ballack (Bayern Munich)
I would be glad if he signed any of them.
jthk2004
11-11-2005, 00:03
HE WON'T BE ABLE TO PLAY IN THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE IF HE MOVES IN JAN!!
u guys should concentrate on the prem first... for champions league, u guys have two tough matches coming up and i don't see u guys can beat villarael (home) nor benfica (away). anyway, duscher will be great to replace keane as he is even tougher than roy keane.
Ronaldo7
11-11-2005, 12:41
Does anybody see us winning the champions league this year? Does anybody think Ballack sees Munich winning it? He said he wants to go to a club where he can put in a strong challenge for the champions league. If he thought that we were gonna win the champions league this season he would have moved in the summer and if he thought that munich were going to win it this year he would not be talking about leaving. Come january i think we will dee Ballack here or at least some quality midfielders. I wouldnt rule out the possibility of a striker either, unless Solskjaer and Saha are both back on top form by then.
deftones5
11-11-2005, 14:41
Does anybody see us winning the champions league this year? Does anybody think Ballack sees Munich winning it? He said he wants to go to a club where he can put in a strong challenge for the champions league. If he thought that we were gonna win the champions league this season he would have moved in the summer and if he thought that munich were going to win it this year he would not be talking about leaving. Come january i think we will dee Ballack here or at least some quality midfielders. I wouldnt rule out the possibility of a striker either, unless Solskjaer and Saha are both back on top form by then.
i love the way no one actually reads what you write on this site!!!
if he leaves in jan he can't play CL but he has a slight chance of winning it with bayern if he stays rather than absolutely no chance if he goes to utd. plus bayern is his favourite club. why would he leave if he's gonna be cup tied and have to sit on the bench for all the CL games!!!??? he's definately gonna leave i think but it'll be end of season. i know bayern won't win it but as i said before look at porto and l'pool, you can't rule it out
Ronaldo7
11-11-2005, 15:19
no-one reads what i put? damn i guess ill just have to drown my sorrows over the fact that somebody with the name of a substandard band and 5 after it (really orginal bozo) desnt care what i think. i post on here cos i have some free time at the moment before i go on tour... what will you be doing then? going to school? bite me
deftones5
11-11-2005, 15:27
lol i'm doubled over laughing at that!! just tryin to get my point across pshycho boy! i love the way you have no point to argue, you've stolen someones name and put a number after it??? how's that any different from what i've done? and go on your tour while i sit here at my job and get paid quite a lot of money actually!! twat twat twat twat!
Ronaldo7
11-11-2005, 15:31
nice! office job is it? do you work with... hmmm let me think.... computers? data analyst? yeah thats better than 5000 people cheering your name and traveling around Europe for free. sometimes i wish i had a normal life like everybody else...
deftones5
11-11-2005, 15:40
lies!!! actually i get to travel all over the place as i work for the irish tourist board, new york tokyo etc. shouldn't slag what you don't know, makes you look stupid
Elton John III
11-11-2005, 15:46
Stick on topic perhaps? I'm sure people care far more about United, than what your rl jobs entail.
deftones5
11-11-2005, 15:50
yeah sorry man. this all started over ballack comin to utd!! lol
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