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no way are we the poorest team in world football:(are you joking?
no way are we the poorest team in world football:(are you joking?
Name anothet team with a bank balance of £-300 million.
In terms of turnover we're one of the top, if not the top side in the world, but that means fuck all when you compare that to the absoloutley crippling debts.
No that's not true, but in case you hadn't realised until Chelsea got the money we would be far above you and only Liverpool would be higher placed.Although United and Arsenal have deteraited in quality over the last few years, United would still be leading the premiership if it wasn't for Chelsea's money.Chelsea were nothing until they got bought by a billionaire and they would be nothing today without his money.
Also we didn't lose today you idiot.well i wouldn't say that if Fergie had the money to spend Man Yoo would be like Chelski, as Fergie has bought some shite
Ronaldo7
29-12-2005, 13:20
Yeah, but we would have Robben and Essien as they were both coming to OT untill they realised that they are greedy motherfuckers, who like having big bank balences more than they do playing football.
Yeah, but we would have Robben and Essien as they were both coming to OT untill they realised that they are greedy motherfuckers, who like having big bank balences more than they do playing football.
Well..........
I wouldn't say it was the players that did not choose Man U. I read it was The Great Sir Alex not coughing up enough money to the clubs that they were at previously.
Yeah, but we would have Robben and Essien as they were both coming to OT untill they realised that they are greedy motherfuckers, who like having big bank balences more than they do playing football.
It wouldnt surprise me if Robben left Chelsea at the end of the season. He doesnt seem to have a very good relationship with the coach, or his collegues (he didnt join the celebrations yesterday after the goal, which he had a hand in). He's been injured often and when he's fit he seems like he wants to play.
I don't know if it was money that drove him to Chelsea, or anything else (perhaps playing for a club in London is just more attractive then playing in Manchester) and I dont really care, cause money is a good motive (like anyone else here, we wanna make a good living).
But anyway, I wouldnt be too surprised if he joined another club at the end of the season, unless he suddenly gets alot more playingtime.
Perhaps Chelsea wanna sell him to Barca, after which barca use him in trade for Henry, with Arsenal!?
Anyway, back to Man Utd.
What do you guys think of Park? Shouldnt he be getting alot more playtime!? There are some in the UTD team that clearly shouldnt be there, so why isnt Park playing!?
chris248
29-12-2005, 14:31
Anyway, back to Man Utd.
What do you guys think of Park? Shouldnt he be getting alot more playtime!? There are some in the UTD team that clearly shouldnt be there, so why isnt Park playing!?
Personally I have been very impressed with Park and his workrate is phenomenal. He has recently started to appear more in front of Ronaldo or Giggs. However at times he seems a bit lost on what to do with the ball once he gets in a decent attacking position.
yer i agree i think he is a great player.hes been playin alot more than ronaldo recently(out of form) but puttting fletcher on the right what the fuck???? i dnt really rate him at all
yer i agree i think he is a great player.hes been playin alot more than ronaldo recently(out of form) but puttting fletcher on the right what the fuck???? i dnt really rate him at all
I feel that Fletcher gets too much anger shown to him. He isn't as bad as people say it is just when Man Utd lose instead of looking at the performance from the team they look for the individual, and since Fletcher is probably one of the worse then he gets blamed.
AgentZero
29-12-2005, 20:18
fletcher is SAF's bum-buddy so he will always be on the 1st team......and Park clearly should get above him in the pecking order
Phatmann
29-12-2005, 20:37
What did everyone think of Smith playing right midfield? :unsure: I thought he was ok, but thought it was a bit of a strage decision to play him there while we had fletcher, ronaldo, park, solskjaer and giggs in the squad.
Fletcher is a decent player, but against Birmingham last night he was terrible, but I'm sure he'll show good bouncebackability (:mellow: ) and put in a decent performance against Bolton.
Haven't seen anyone post anything about Solskjaers return yet. He looked pretty ok, and after another few weeks/months hopefully he'll take Ronaldo's place, unless Ronaldo starts playing well again.
I didn't really say anything about Solksjaer because I didn't really see enough of him and I am just glad that he is back and hope the SAF dosen't risk him unessecarily.
AgentZero
29-12-2005, 20:47
yeah now ronnies got tough comp with solky for the rM pos......now that we have enough fit forwards maybe we can use 4-4-2 again....
Phatmann
29-12-2005, 20:52
We are using 4-4-2 aren't we? :mellow:
United are playing a 4-4-2, ruud and rooney up front. Yesterday the Midfield was fletcher, ronaldo, scholes and smith.
Solksjaer's return was the only positive thing to come out of the game yesterday, its no wonder fergie has bought Vidic. It was like United where not able to header the ball at all, richardson is not a decent left back he is more of a offensive player and o'shea's performances seem to keep getting worse. Arsenal away coming up after Bolton....
Phatmann
29-12-2005, 20:55
Solksjaer's return was the only positive thing to come out of the game yesterday, its no wonder fergie has bought Vidic. It was like United where not able to header the ball at all, richardson is not a decent left back he is more of a offensive player and o'shea's performances seem to keep getting worse. Arsenal away coming up after Bolton....
I know what you mean. I've never seen Richardson as a good player, but at least he's better than Cygan anyway :rolleyes: O'Shea hasn't had a conistent run of good performances for a few seasons now, but he is versatile so that's why he keeps getting in the team. Anyone know what's happened to Silvestre? cos I didn't hear of any injury, so I assumed he'd been dropped?
Do you reckon Vidic will play against Arsenal? would be one tough debut for him.
It would be a big risk for Vidic to play against Arsenal as if he didn't perform then everyone would be saying it was a bad mistake by SAF playing him, but I suppose if he plays amazing then he would get loads of praise.
Also I heard that Lyon were interested in Silvestre so maybe that has something to do with him not being in the squad.
I know what you mean. I've never seen Richardson as a good player, but at least he's better than Cygan anyway :rolleyes: O'Shea hasn't had a conistent run of good performances for a few seasons now, but he is versatile so that's why he keeps getting in the team. Anyone know what's happened to Silvestre? cos I didn't hear of any injury, so I assumed he'd been dropped?
Do you reckon Vidic will play against Arsenal? would be one tough debut for him.
Dont get me wrong richardson is not a bad player, i just think he is a better winger then a full back. Silvestre as far as i know was dropped though their was rumours he fell out with the manager and some of the players.
Not sure if vidic will play though united seem to be having problems with centre backs at the moment so who knows hopefully he will play, prove his worth so to speak.
Phatmann
29-12-2005, 21:09
How much do you reckon Silvestre will go for? and are we still signing Nigel de Jong?
I reckon that Silvestre would go for about 5 million and I hope that De Jong does come as he seems to be quite a talent.
I heard somewhere, (maybe on here) that Silvestre could be going for £1-2m which would be quite a low price. We could get up to £6m for him I believe, maybe more if we are lucky.
I'm unsure with putting Vidic straight in for the Arsenal game, its a huge ask. Our matches against Arsenal seem to be won through experience etc. and Vidic would not have had the time to gel properly and also the EPL experience. That is my only doubt about that really, I think Brown would step his game up for the Arsenal match, he knows what its all about.
It would probably be best to leave Solskjaer out against Arsenal. Reason being, the United - Arsenal matches are always full of fouls and fights etc. meaning that he is much more open to sustain the re-occuring injury. I don't think that risk should be taken to be honest, it isn't worth it. Plus Solskjaer playing at Highbury is just looking for trouble, he has the hatrid of every Arsenal fan in the country and these fans can influence the players if you understand.
I think Ronaldo should play against Arsenal as he can win a lot of set pieces around the area and this could be the way in which we could gain an advantage over Arsenal as they are weak from set pieces.
Phatmann
29-12-2005, 21:34
Isn't Wes Brown injured though? It'd be ideal if he was fit, as he's been playing great recently, and if he'd played against Birmingham, we may have possibly got a better result.
I agree that Solskjaer shouldn't be included, but maybe a first team match in the FA Cup 3rd round against Burton Albion could be good for him.
Brown's the centre back that all clubs would like, a bit injury prone but still not scared to put a leg in or gets phyiscal with opponets strikers like Heinze...
I agree aswell remember what happend last season at highbury? United destroyed Arsenal with Ronaldo and keane being united's best players.
Papa Lazarou
29-12-2005, 21:55
i tihnk that maybe it is time to let Silvestre go, aybe in the summer though cause if this new signing don't work out and we've sold Silvestre then we're buggered
also with Pique an Spector comin throught the ranks Silvestre will be quita a way down the pecking order
i tihnk that maybe it is time to let Silvestre go, aybe in the summer though cause if this new signing don't work out and we've sold Silvestre then we're buggered
also with Pique an Spector comin throught the ranks Silvestre will be quita a way down the pecking order
Has anyone got any info on how Pique and Spector are doing?
Is Spector on loan at Charlton still? I haven't seen a lot of them.
Keyser Soze
29-12-2005, 22:20
Is Spector on loan at Charlton still? I haven't seen a lot of them.
Yeah, he played the other day for them, played quite well, I believe.
Phatmann
29-12-2005, 22:22
Spector played ok, made a good challenge at the end of the match, but on the whole he hasn't played too well for Charlton and was dropped for that match, and only came on cos of an injury.
Yeah, he played the other day for them, played quite well, I believe.
I haven't really seen a lot of Charlton so I will start to watch some more of them to see how he is getting on.
vanNistelrooy
29-12-2005, 22:24
I think Ronaldo should play against Arsenal as he can win a lot of set pieces around the area and this could be the way in which we could gain an advantage over Arsenal as they are weak from set pieces.
The only problem is, he'll want to take them too! He can't hit a barn door with a banjo!
Phatmann
29-12-2005, 22:26
The only problem is, he'll want to take them too! He can't hit a barn door with a banjo!
That's what we need to sign- someone who can take set pieces. The amount of goals we got from set pieces when Beckham was around :(
That's what we need to sign- someone who can take set pieces. The amount of goals we got from set pieces when Beckham was around :(
That is very true as when Arsenal or Chelsea have a free kick near the edge of the area the fans start to get excited as they have Lampard and Henry, whereas we have no accomplished free kick taker.
I think Brown would step his game up for the Arsenal match, he knows what its all about.
It's not a question of 'upping his game' when he's played this season, our defence has looked twice as strong.
That's a big reason why we were so shite against Birmingham. No team fielding O'Shea and Richardson can expect to be solid defensively.
Brown plays whenever he's fit, end of.
I think that if Brown can stay injury free and play well for the rest of the season then he could get into the England squad for the World Cup. He can be cover for CB and RB so he could have a good chance, well if Luke Young can get in so could Brown.
AgentZero
29-12-2005, 23:23
but im not sure Mikael isnt going anywhere......SAF brough in a new CB and hed probably push Mikael to Left back....until Gabby comes back which then will cast shadow over Mikaels future for sure (since O'shea signed a new contract last month)
Maybe he will sell Silvestre in the summer after Heinze comes back but if he has dropped him lately then there has to be something amiss.
AgentZero
29-12-2005, 23:43
and De Jong is a versatile defender he can play anywhere in the back four.
Phatmann
30-12-2005, 01:15
Silvestre should play left back I reckon, he's better than Richardson.
Anyone heard any more news about John Obi Mikel? weren't we meant to sign him in the upcoming transfer window?:unsure:
I don't have a clue what is going on with him. I haven't heard any news for ages but frankly it is getting a bit boring and also I think that if he was so good then we would have heard more about it.
and De Jong is a versatile defender he can play anywhere in the back four.
You mean Nigel de Jong, from Ajax? He's best suited as a midfielder I think. Roony and van Nistelrooy can take pretty good free kicks I believe. Ronaldo is a great player, but he really should work on his aim and shooting, cause he SHOULD be scoring about 15 goals a season with his talent (not counting penalties btw). He can get himself into great shooting positions, so he should definately improve in that area.
BTW... did you guys know that Man utd scouted Ajax' Hedwiges Maduro a couple of years ago. The scout back then felt Maduro wouldnt succeed and/or be good enough, so he advised against bringing him to Man Utd. Now Maduro is one of the regular Ajax players, an international, and considered one of the brightest hopes for the future :D Ferguson must be a lil upset at his scouting system by now.. ;)
I doubt Maduro would have gone to Man utd at such a young age though...
... plus personally I would rate PSV's 17 year old Aissati even higher.
AgentZero
30-12-2005, 08:32
the same scouting system that said Ronalidinho is not worth it for 14M +......
Mikael Silvestre(groin) and Wes Brown(thigh) are both back from injuries for the Bolton game.
Phatmann
30-12-2005, 14:57
Well that's very good news, no Richardson or O'Shea playing hopefully :)
Yeah hopefully the backline looks like this:
G.Neville---Brown---Ferdinand---Silvestre
vanNistelrooy
31-12-2005, 14:45
van der Sar
Neville
Rio
Silvestre
O'Shea
Ricahrdson
Ronaldo
Fletcher
Giggs
Saha
Rooney
I gather Scholes is injured? Why is Park on the bench...AGAIN!?
I can see why SAF wants to rest Ruud, but surely play his and bring him off. Don't take Bolton for granted, as they have near enough their best team out!
Lord Shrimpeh
31-12-2005, 15:02
Chelsea have one of the biggest and best squads in the world and they don't rotate as much as SAF! How many times has SWP played? Fergie seems to believe his squad is amazing... on no evidence.
Phatmann
31-12-2005, 15:08
Oh dear- Saha's playing :(
Papa Lazarou
31-12-2005, 15:15
Oh dear- Saha's playing :(
what the hell? Saha is a great player who is finding his form again, i wouldnt bet against him scoring today
Phatmann
31-12-2005, 15:17
what the hell? Saha is a great player who is finding his form again, i wouldnt bet against him scoring today
He probably will score, with his arse most likely. He has been terrible for some time now and it'll take more than 1 good performance for me to change my opinion on him.
Saha has just scored and made it 2-1 after an N'Gotty own goal and Speed scoring with a header against us.
Phatmann
31-12-2005, 16:02
Saha has just scored and made it 2-1 after an N'Gotty own goal and Speed scoring with a header against us.
:blush: Well i'll just have to see it on MOTD before I make any further comment.
Well Ben Haim tried a pass back and Saha ran onto it, then he rounded Jaaskalinen and sloted it in from a tight angle.
Lord Shrimpeh
31-12-2005, 17:04
Saha is a great striker when he plays... I don't see why fans hate him so. Unless it is for his injury rate, which is fair I guess.
saha is great and a great win today wasnt it:D
Viperized
31-12-2005, 17:25
Saha is a good striker but has been unlucky with his injuries I suppose.
Phatmann
31-12-2005, 17:47
Maybe it's beacuse of injuries, maybe it's not, but all I can say is he struggles to keep possession of the ball and his off the ball ability is zero; he often doesn't see the run which he needs to be making to get into a scoring opportunity. But let's just hope this is down to his bad injury record.
vanNistelrooy
31-12-2005, 17:52
Maybe it's beacuse of injuries, maybe it's not, but all I can say is he struggles to keep possession of the ball and his off the ball ability is zero; he often doesn't see the run which he needs to be making to get into a scoring opportunity. But let's just hope this is down to his bad injury record.
Which Saha have you been watching?
Phatmann
31-12-2005, 17:54
Which Saha have you been watching?
The Saha that stands around aimlessly looking rather lazy at times.
Saha has only ever had a good half season back when he was at Fulham. I don't know what made Ferguson think he was worth £12m.
AgentZero
31-12-2005, 22:56
well he did very well when he wa sin fulham and....before his first knee seback he was scoring at arate of a goal a game
Phatmann
01-01-2006, 01:59
well he did very well when he wa sin fulham and....before his first knee seback he was scoring at arate of a goal a game
a goal every 2 games (14 apps 7 goals) :rolleyes: He wasn't that good before.
He is better than most reserve strikers that the other Premiership teams have.
Phatmann
01-01-2006, 02:02
He is better than most reserve strikers that the other Premiership teams have.
True, but other premiership teams didn't pay £12m for these reserve strikers ;)
Well Reyes's move to Arsenal was supposed to be around 24 million and he is pretty poor.
Phatmann
01-01-2006, 02:09
I'd much rather have Reyes than Saha, and would say he's more than twice as good as Saha.
I'd much rather have Reyes than Saha, and would say he's more than twice as good as Saha.
Reyes is really overated in my opinion as he has never really done a lot in the Premiership whereas Saha has proven he can do it in the Premiership.
Phatmann
01-01-2006, 02:18
I thought that at first but after a while I realised he's a quality player. He hasn't been on his top form recently but he's still a great player.
Don't forget, Reyes is only just 22 whereas Saha is 27
3663dawg
01-01-2006, 02:38
im thinking saha will leave in january to fund a few new signings seen as the glaziers wont release any cash
Scarface
01-01-2006, 02:45
Well Reyes's move to Arsenal was supposed to be around 24 million and he is pretty poor.
The fee is actually nearer £10-12m currently, with a few million more going to Sevilla if he reaches a certain goal/appearance milestone. He has done quite well in the Premiership so far, at times he has been fantastic. He does lack consistency but he's still young, adapting to the Premiership and learning. He has his whole career ahead of him, and is a far, far better player than Louis Saha.
Rangers_Fureva
01-01-2006, 02:46
Seen the highlights from the Man U game today. i must agree with Phat, that Reyes would be better than Saha. Saha seemed to give away possesion an awful lot, especially in crucial moments, e.g counter attacks. Nonetheless i suppose you could give Saha sympathy since he's been out injured, still don't reckon he's Man U quality though.
vanNistelrooy
01-01-2006, 11:28
Why is everyone ripping into Saha? Does Rooney or Henry always keep possesion? No. I suppose Saha could do what Henry does, lose possesion and chase the player down to win the ball back, only to foul him.
Saha is a quality striker, seeing as he's only just come back from injury, and has scored 4 goals since then, I'd lay off him.
AgentZero
01-01-2006, 12:18
jesus christ phatman....he isnt that piss poor.
Saha's not a bad player at all.
It's a shame we've never seen the best of the talented young lad due to a run of injuries only poor Ole would begrudge. I know a lot of reds seem to reckon his injuries are as much down to mind as well as the matter of physical difficulties, but there looked nothing wrong with his committment or willingness to get stuck in when he's played recently, and I have been informed that he's Saha is believed to have made it safely onto the team coach for the trip home up the M6, unscathed, without the recurrence of any old injuries or the discovery of any new ones.But concerned United officials ARE waiting to see whether he has come through a night at home, in bed, asleep.
The only real fault United fans could find with him is that he's constantly injured. When he's played for us he's given us another option, and due to his presence in the squad and hopefully the nonsense of pumping balls into Rio in the dying minutes of a game will never be witnessed again. But there lies another tale.
executioner
01-01-2006, 16:49
im thinking saha will leave in january to fund a few new signings seen as the glaziers wont release any cash
what do you mean wont release cash? we've already signed £7m man vidic, and we're also after a midfielder!
and from BBC.com:
Manchester United have been linked with Frenchmen Franck Ribery and Patrice Evra, although they may face competition for both players.
Marseille midfielder Ribery, 22, says Tottenham are also keen to sign him.
"My agent has spoken to United's directors and Spurs have contacted Marseille," Ribery told the News of the World newspaper.
Frederico Pastorello, the agent of Monaco defender Evra, 24, says the player is being tracked by Inter Milan.
"United and Inter are extremely interested in landing Patrice in the transfer window," said Pastorello.
"Both have the same chance of getting him and the player has a decision to make."
EDIT: and saha is a great player.
o0oGedo0o
01-01-2006, 18:09
saha is a good player don't know why everyone is attacking him, i watched him in that last cup match and his second goal was good, and he made lots of effort better than rossi ( i know he's young but he didn't do anything, i thought we were playing with 10 men)
Phatmann
01-01-2006, 18:44
saha is a good player don't know why everyone is attacking him, i watched him in that last cup match and his second goal was good, and he made lots of effort better than rossi ( i know he's young but he didn't do anything, i thought we were playing with 10 men)
Don't worry gedo, it's only me who's ripping into Saha :rolleyes: And to be honest even though he scored 2 goals against Birmingham, in the 1st half he was dreadful. He looked a bit better from what I saw on MOTD but I wouldn't comment too much about it, having seen only highlights of the match.
I don't know why there are absolutely no Man U fans agreeing with me here. Can anyone really remember a game where he played really well last season or this season? :unsure:
EDIT: In other news, David Jones has gone to NEC Nijmegen on loan
jones on loan again:(oh well at least its good experience for him;)who do you think well buy in january(i know it is already but dont know how to put it;))?
executioner
01-01-2006, 20:28
I don't know why there are absolutely no Man U fans agreeing with me here. Can anyone really remember a game where he played really well last season or this season? :unsure:
nobodys agreeing with you because we know that saha is always going to be upstaged by ruud and rooney. we're saying he's a good player but his injuries have kinda wrecked his future.
and its hard to play well when injuries mean you dont play at all. ;)
who do you think well buy in january(i know it is already but dont know how to put it;))?
everybody, we've been linked with tonnes of players so its anyones guess.
and one more thing guys, BBC2 are having a "George Best" night with some of his best games/goals so tune in starting at 9 o'clock.
vanNistelrooy
01-01-2006, 22:22
I don't know why there are absolutely no Man U fans agreeing with me here. Can anyone really remember a game where he played really well last season or this season? :unsure:
We're not agreeing with you because you are talking nonsense :D
Can I ask how you thought Forlan played whilst he was at United?
Not much worse than Saha in my opinion.
vanNistelrooy
01-01-2006, 22:27
Not much worse than Saha in my opinion.
Any particular reason?
Whenever I've seen Saha play for Man Utd he just looks like a bad player. He doesn't seem to have any skill whatsoever.
AgentZero
01-01-2006, 22:43
we're in bid for Patrice evra (:D) and Frank Ribery...riberyi havent seen hi play much...all that i can gather is he is a stam look-alike
Phatmann
01-01-2006, 22:44
I'd have to agree with Yossi, Forlan was worse than Saha but there isn't too much in it to be honest.
I'll admit that Saha was good when he first came to us but it's been a while since he has impressed me :(
Forlan was not bad player, united style of football didnt suite him nor did the premiership football. But when he did score there were mostly goal of the month contenders.
Frank Ribery french under 21.
As a player i would compare him to a Ginola, he is quick, vast skills, take on players and score. Just ask Englands Under 21's. From what ive seen of him im suprised no-one has bidded for him yet.
vanNistelrooy
01-01-2006, 22:51
Forlan was not bad player, united style of football didnt suite him nor did the premiership football.
Took the words out of my mouth.
Forlan scored some pretty vital goals for us, especially the last minute winner against Chelsea.
AgentZero
01-01-2006, 22:53
Forlan was just missing his kicking boots.....i think he was good off the ball and dribbling wa sfair...but i cringe everytime he shoots just like ronaldos early days....i remember that sitte rhe missed at 5 yard sout.....
Yea you are right forlan did score some important goals, but missed his fair share aswell.
So whats the deal with Vidic? Has he joined united today?
Phatmann
01-01-2006, 23:21
Yea you are right forlan did score some important goals, but missed his fair share aswell.
So whats the deal with Vidic? Has he joined united today?
Nope, work permit.
Is he joining before the Arsenal game?
Phatmann
01-01-2006, 23:24
No, it's more likely that he could be available for the burton albion game.
He is in line to make his debut against Burton I heard.
EDIT: Beaten to it.
AgentZero
01-01-2006, 23:37
hmmm lets see this member of the "fab four of S&M"
Ribery is a good player...but where would he play in the United team...he's a winger...on the right hand side...where we have Ronaldo and Park (admittedly these two can play on either side...but still)...and to be honest evra is an odd move...yes we need to replace Heinze...but only for half a season and Silvestre is suspect where ever he plays...but Evra...he's only 24...and heinze is what 27/28...why have two players in the prime of their career...Evra won't be able to force his way into the team once Heinze is back. I've seen a fair bit of Evra and he is quick and committed...with a clever head on his shoulders so he's worth it but it still seems odd to me...but if we deprive Inter from a player then i'm happy...that club destroys the careers of promising players..
executioner
02-01-2006, 13:12
in my opinion there is no point buying a left-back or a left-winger. we need a player for centrakl-midfield and thats it.
did anyone else see the "george best night" on bbc2 last night? they even had a show called "100 years of manchester united". :D
But people are forgetting that Heinze can play Centre Back which means that Silvestre could be forced out.
Also when G.Neville retires or gets to old then we could have:
Brown---Ferdinand---Heinze---Evra
ps2gtavc
02-01-2006, 15:47
what about Vidic though?
what about Vidic though?
Oh yeah I forgot about him.
At least we will have a better selection of defenders then if Evra does come.
vanNistelrooy
02-01-2006, 16:18
Go Wesley! Future England regular.
Brown should be going to the world cup 2006 if he carries on his performances from now till end of the season.
Why is that there is not much fuss made about United's match vs Arsenal?
Nevilles been talking again....
Manchester United are in awesome form, with 26 points from their last 30 and 11 goals in their last three games.
Tomorrow they travel to Highbury and captain Neville reckons they are in just the right mood to out-shoot the Gunners.
Right-back Neville, 30, said: “It’s a massive match which we all enjoy — and we believe we are going there in good form.
“In the last month or so, we have really improved — everyone is firing.”
None more so than Wayne Rooney, who was awesome against Bolton on Saturday.
Neville said: “You certainly can’t bully him and when it comes to skill there is nothing you can do.”
So what does everyone think the score will be against Arsenal tomorrow?
Arsenal 1-3 Manchester United.
Van persie for Arsenal
Ruud, Rooney and Scholes if he plays.
Papa Lazarou
02-01-2006, 20:47
i'd say 2-0 man u
Saha an Park scorers late on
vanNistelrooy
02-01-2006, 20:52
Why is that there is not much fuss made about United's match vs Arsenal?
Probably because without Vieira they're not seen as much of a threat.
Probably because without Vieira they're not seen as much of a threat.
Or i was thinking maybe its due to arsenals poor league position and form, so they assume its united all the way.
I'm not so sure we will win because Arsenal are due a good performance.
Also normally most of the hype is about Keane vs Vieria and without that it isn't as exciting.
Keyser Soze
02-01-2006, 21:01
Or i was thinking maybe its due to arsenals poor league position and form, so they assume its united all the way.
Because usually, the teams are so close and fighting it out for 1st/2nd. But in Arsenal's case they are quite a way behind Arsenal. Its still important for United to get a win of course but its always that little bit bigger when it decides what position you are in.
Maybe so "The G", but i dont think anyone is going to catch chelsea. Chelsea looked in fine form today and crespo is looking very sharp he could of had 3 in 10 minutes.
Now its about smith vs Flamini....how times have changed.
If Smith can have one of his better games like he did against Chelsea we could dominate this game against Arsenal. He is the sort of player that will scare Arsenal players as he isn't scared of putting in a challenge.
vanNistelrooy
02-01-2006, 21:15
as he isn't scared of putting in a challenge.
Understatement of the century :laugh:
Phatmann
02-01-2006, 21:21
Isn't Cygan suspended for the match? I'm kind of disappointed if he is :(
Well if he is what the hell is there defence going to be?
Phatmann
02-01-2006, 21:24
Well if he is what the hell is there defence going to be?
That's a point, they'll have to swap a few players around at the back. I reckon Toure Senderos Campbell Lauren maybe? that is if Cygan is suspended though.
He is suspended im sure, he got a yellow vs Pompey.
They probably play Eboue? Campbell playing? :)
Well if that is the case there defence is going to be really dodgy.
Phatmann
02-01-2006, 21:29
More good news: Ljungberg and Van Persie are out :mellow:
I don't think we should underestimate them though as they have some scores to settle after we outplayed them in all our matches against them last season. A 1-1 draw for me, although I'd love to see another 6-1 :mellow:
Keyser Soze
02-01-2006, 21:29
Well if that is the case there defence is going to be really dodgy.
Eboue is a lot more reliable than Cygan in my opinion. Looking at him from the pre-season games he seems a quality prospect.
Phatmann
02-01-2006, 21:30
Eboue is a lot more reliable than Cygan in my opinion. Looking at him from the pre-season games he seems a quality prospect.
But he's not left-footed ;)
Eboue is a lot more reliable than Cygan in my opinion. Looking at him from the pre-season games he seems a quality prospect.
Yeah but still it can't be bad because Ashley Cole is more reliable than both and he isn't playing.
AgentZero
02-01-2006, 22:13
it won't be as firery...thats all i can say...without Viera theyre a bunch of cats.....and Saf and arsene are actually liking each other just because thye have the mutual hate for the special one
Can't wait for this match.
Arsenal 1 - 2 Manchester United:
Ruud (21)
Henry (29)
Rooney (73)
This game won't be the same as previous events though, with both teams original captains not there it just won't seem right really. Roy Keane and Patrick Vieira not being there just doesn't seem right, especially after the last tunnel incident.
Here is the squad for the Arsenal game. It looks like our strongest side without the injuries.
Man Utd: Van der Sar, Howard, Neville, Bardsley, Brown, Ferdinand, Silvestre, O'Shea, Richardson, Ronaldo, Park, Fletcher, Smith, Scholes, Giggs, Van Nistelrooy, Saha, Rooney, Rossi, Solskjaer.
Viperized
03-01-2006, 12:28
Scholes is suffering from migrane. Brown has a groin problem and Smith has a chest infection..
We got Ljungberg, Cole, Van Persie, Clichy missing..
But he's not left-footed ;)
The backline of Arsenal is probably (and hopefully) going to be:
Lauren Senderos Campbell Toure
There is no way I'd like to see Cygan against the likes of Park and Ronaldo.
I really hope that Senderos does play Centre Back because he is a joke. Even Drogba made him look like a fool so I expect Rooney to have no problems against him.
Also with those two as Centre Backs there will be a lack of pace which Rooney and Ruud can take advantage of.
Viperized
03-01-2006, 12:43
I really hope that Senderos does play Centre Back because he is a joke. Even Drogba made him look like a fool so I expect Rooney to have no problems against him.
Also with those two as Centre Backs there will be a lack of pace which Rooney and Ruud can take advantage of.
Campbell isn't that slow. Van Nistelrooy isn't that fast either.
Rooney does seem pretty quick though so I guess it would be better if the backline was Lauren Toure Campbell Eboue, since Toure is pretty damn quick.. but I cannot see Wenger starting Eboue at left back.
Campbell and Senderos do lack pace, but so do Hyppia and Carragher, Carvalho and Terry...
I thought Senderos has an alright game against Chelsea at Highbury so he'd probably do well again, however, his performance against Doncaster (well when they scored) gives me nightmares..
AgentZero
03-01-2006, 12:47
i dunno i regardSenderos as on of the better young CB's in the EPL ...he was really good against us in teh Fa Final...keeping Ruud in check...but i think we'll get past them 2-0..or perhaps a 1-0 thriller
In my opinion Toure is your best Centre Back so if he wasn't playing in that position then I feel that it is an advantage for us.
Also I don't think that Senderos is really bad but he is clumsy, so if Ronaldo came into the middle and went one on one with Senderos we would get a lot of set-pieces which I feel are your weak points.
Phatmann
03-01-2006, 13:39
Apparently Cygan is playing tonight even though I was sure that it said it was his 5th booking in Arsenals last match. That's too bad (:D :D :D )
Apparently Cygan is playing tonight even though I was sure that it said it was his 5th booking in Arsenals last match. That's too bad (:D :D :D )
Well hopeully he will make one of his trademark mistakes.
Its true ruuds not the fastest but he is quick enough to get past Campbell as couple of seasons ago ruud skinned campbell then chipped the keeper at highbury anyone remember?
Arsenals best defender is Toure in my eyes.
Hopefully it will be a good game, and not talked about for the wrong reasons.
TheBishop
03-01-2006, 18:21
will be a good game. not expected much from us though :( . can see rooney having another blinder
Papa Lazarou
03-01-2006, 22:05
well, it was a draw but i think our defence played brilliantly especially Brown who was amazing and my man of the match
0-0 by the way
vanNistelrooy
03-01-2006, 22:06
Boring 0-0. A shame Arsenal appeared to be playing the game out for a draw.
United have fallen further behind Chelski. Disappointing to say the least.
well, it was a draw but i think our defence played brilliantly especially Brown who was amazing and my man of the match
0-0 by the way
i have to say i didnt really like wes brown, i didnt think he was good enough for man u standards but tonight he pulled of a brilliant performance and now im starting to like him
Keyser Soze
03-01-2006, 23:45
i have to say i didnt really like wes brown, i didnt think he was good enough for man u standards but tonight he pulled of a brilliant performance and now im starting to like him
Do you know what fickle means?
Viperized
03-01-2006, 23:53
When the second half began, I had a feeling the game would end as a draw.
uA - 1905
04-01-2006, 00:08
I was literally bored to sleep.
Phatmann
04-01-2006, 00:31
Yeah, a pretty crap match overall. When good chances came they were spoiled mainly by bad finishing.
However, Wes Brown was amazing once again and I'm seriously wondering where will Vidic fit into the team when Brown is in such excellent form? :unsure:
o0oGedo0o
04-01-2006, 02:26
*cough* silvestre *cough*
manjackal
04-01-2006, 02:49
Originally Posted by o0oGedo0o
*cough* silvestre *cough*
Hahaha, that is soo true. He was doing well for us up until last season, but it seems as if he cant be bothered anymore. When he gives away a foul or when hes fouled....he just walks away like he just wants out!
Fairly sad night.
We didn't play badly, but the game was so fuckin' boring. On a night when Rooney was nowhere near as involved as he usually is, Ronaldo couldn't cross to save his life and our midfield lacked the creativity to put a weak Arsenal side to the sword it was Wesley and Rio who looked assured and hardly put foot wrong all night.
It was a match which left absoloutley nothing to the imagination, and you could have predicted the outcome as soon as you saw the team sheets. A midfeild with the likes of O'Shea and Fletcher is not good enough for a team like United. It's a good job Arsenal are a shadow of their former strength, because last night was a match between two poor teams who would both snatch the hands off anybody who offered them second place come the end of the season.
The two saddest moments came after the match, though. Travelling back home and realising that we would probably never make another journey to Highbury was unusual. Next season, though only down the road, we'll have to visit their new soulless concrete stadium. Nice on the outside, but stripped of everything we hold dear inside.
And all built when they thought they were going to dominate English football. With a Champions League place unlikely for them, at least it'll be easy to get tickets next season, all be it in their end, as it's been a bit of a struggle this year.
The other disappointment (for me atleast) was hearing Fergie's post-match interview on Sky when I got home. He made a statement which David O'Leary would have cringed at.
"Chelsea's consistency is beyond us, eventually we hope to reach that level. We have a young team who will get better."
Anyway, yeah- We're out of the title race, out of Europe and our best chance of silverware is currently the mickey mouse cup.
Oh, and happy New Year.
Quite a boring game but I am happy with the result as Arsenal didn't gain any ground on us.
Well taht was the worst game I've ever seen man u...are so very very bad arsenal too....and the premeirship...learn how to play football you nubs.
executioner
04-01-2006, 18:32
Well taht was the worst game I've ever seen man u...are so very very bad arsenal too....and the premeirship...learn how to play football you nubs.
this tought us something very very important.....n00bs are lame.
....well im not a noob not that it matter's but....I've been hear for about 2 yr's but never really posted on my old account and or used it I just usually read without posting....and I bet you wished it stayed that way...heh.
vanNistelrooy
04-01-2006, 20:03
....well im not a noob not that it matter's but....I've been hear for about 2 yr's but never really posted on my old account and or used it I just usually read without posting....and I bet you wished it stayed that way...heh.
Let me guess. Your dog ate your old account?
No there was some problem's with the registery I don't think it ever worked....but I didn't care I didn't go here very often so I had little reason for an account.
It was grahf or something,I logged in once but after that It never worked and that name isn't in the member's list so I dun know what happened..
AgentZero
04-01-2006, 20:47
.......the saddest thing about teh classic was that we will never score at highbury ever again. At least we have that 2-4 win last season to look back as our most enjoyable victory (to date) over arsenal in the league.
if only Neville converted that cross it would of been quite fitting, the new united captain scores for the last time in highbury but that will never be.
vanNistelrooy
04-01-2006, 20:50
.......the saddest thing about teh classic was that we will never score at highbury ever again. At least we have that 2-4 win last season to look back as our most enjoyable victory (to date) over arsenal in the league.
if only Neville converted that cross it would of been quite fitting, the new united captain scores for the last time in highbury but that will never be.
FA Cup?
EDIT: Incase it was the last Utd vs Arse game at Highbury, just remember who scored the last goal in the fixture...JOHN O'SHEA!
AgentZero
04-01-2006, 21:18
i said league
EDIT: Incase it was the last Utd vs Arse game at Highbury, just remember who scored the last goal in the fixture...JOHN O'SHEA!
and what a goal!!1 definately worthy of being the last league scored for us in their den
That match at Highbury last season was amazing. I loved it when Ronaldo silenced the crowd by scoring 2 goals.
AgentZero
04-01-2006, 21:56
and projectiles wer ethrown at him....i agree.....most of the ronaldo doubters were gooners so fair'nuff
That match at Highbury last season was amazing. I loved it when Ronaldo silenced the crowd by scoring 2 goals.
yes,it WAS MAGNIFICIANT!:D4-2:laugh:
Yep though it wasnt the best United have played in any other season a point at highbury would of been a good result, but when i saw oshea and fletcher starting it was clear united were containt with a point at least. Though saying that i felt fletcher had his best game for united so far and osheas wasnt bad he is a better midfielder then a defender. God i hate Lauren, anyone see him slice ronaldo in half!
Onwards and upwards burton next followed by trip to blackburn then away to Man City
good goal the last one against Arsenal(o'sheas)wasnt it:Dluvly lob over Lehmann:D
It was a good goal considering it was O'shea.
Phatmann
04-01-2006, 22:20
The latest on the Evra situation: http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=350350&cpid=24&CLID=1&lid=&title=BIDS+LODGED+FOR+EVRA&channel=premiership
Phatmann
05-01-2006, 15:13
Vidic has been granted a work permit and has joined up with the team, maybe making his debut against Burton.
Also, Lee Martin is going to be loaned out to Antwerp, with speculation that Richie Jones and Adam Eckersley may be going too.
Vidic has been granted a work permit and has joined up with the team, maybe making his debut against Burton.
Also, Lee Martin is going to be loaned out to Antwerp, with speculation that Richie Jones and Adam Eckersley may be going too.
Yep you are right heres an article i found.
Old Trafford new boy Vidic arrives
Nemanja Vidic will link up with his Manchester United team-mates this morning after having his work permit granted.
Sir Alex Ferguson has made Vidic the first major signing of the Malcolm Glazer era by splashing out £7million on the Serbia defender.
The 24-year-old, who has signed a four-and-a-half-year contract, was due to arrive in England last night and was expected to train with United for the first time today.
However, given the short time scale and his lack of match practice since the Russian season ended in November, the former Spartak Moscow star is unlikely to be involved in Sunday's FA Cup tie at Burton Albion.
Although Vidic impressed with Spartak, it is his performances for the Serbian national side which brought him to Ferguson's attention.
Vidic was part of the Serbs' `Famous Four' defence which conceded just one goal in qualifying for next summer's World Cup in Germany.
Ferguson said: 'I am delighted the two clubs have come to an agreement. Nemanja is a quick, aggressive centre-half and at 24 will be a terrific addition to the squad.'
The manager told MUTV: 'As I keep pointing out, good defenders win you things,' Ferguson told MUTV.
'In my time we have had people like Steve Bruce, Gary Pallister, Paul Parker, Denis Irwin, Ronnie Johnson and Jaap Stam.
'This lad is really natural and athletic. I know you need good defenders and that is exactly what this lad is.'
If Vidic is not involved in the Burton tie, he could get a run out in a reserve team fixture against Leeds on January 12, putting him in line for a potential Premiership debut against Manchester City the following weekend or Liverpool on January 22.
United are also hopeful of winning the battle with Inter Milan to sign Monaco full-back Patrice Evra.
The French international, whose arrival could signal the end of Mikael Silvestre's Old Trafford career, has been axed for tonight's French league clash with Auxerre.
Monaco are now resigned to losing the talented defender but are holding out for their £5million asking price.
Inter are thought to have offered £3.5million and, while United have yet to make a move, it seems only a matter of time before Ferguson lodges a formal bid.
Meanwhile United have vowed to play fair if they make a move to sign Benfica winger Simao Sabrosa, according to assistant coach Carlos Queiroz.
The Portugal international has been strongly linked with a move to Liverpool with the Reds having previously agreed a deal to sign the 26-year-old in the summer before the Lisbon club pulled out just before the transfer window closed.
Liverpool are still interested in the player but Queiroz insisted that United will not play a spoiling role.
'Manchester will not take part in speculation to promote individual or collective interests,' said Queiroz in an interview to Portuguese radio station Radio Renascenca.
'This is a film that has been repeated several times.
'The player (Simao) and Benfica deserve respect and that is why we will not enter speculations or make moves of private interest that have no respect for institutions.'
Benfica, who signed former Newcastle winger Laurent Robert yesterday, are keen to keep their club captain at least until the end of the season.
'There are no players to sell at Benfica,' said club president Luis Filipe Vieira.
'Benfica is a club that buys not sells.
'What we want is to go on the pitch knowing that we have a good team to win every game.'
Meanwhile, the agent for Monaco defender Patrice Evra, who has been linked with a possible move to United and Inter Milan, claims the French club are willing to let his client leave if they are happy with an offer.
Evra is currently ostracised from the Monaco squad after he admitted his desire to quit the Stade Louis II.
And Federico Pastorello believes a January transfer window switch to either Old Trafford or the San Siro is now on the cards for the 24-year-old French international after encouraging talks with Monaco.
'Things went well,' said Pastorello, 'and Monaco will not go against Patrice's departure.
'If an interesting offer is made to Monaco then the transfer will go through.'
United are believed to be Evra's preferred option as Inter would rather sign him now but not take him to Italy until June.
'Inter have worked directly with Monaco and myself and I told Manchester United about the situation,' added Pastorello.
'It is now up to the clubs to make their move. But it is true that Patrice really liked the way Manchester went about things. They were very professional with us.'
Simao? Evra?
executioner
05-01-2006, 20:28
yes evra hasnt traveled with monaco to their game tonight with auxerre. which just suggests him coming to us even more. but it kinda dissapoints me how we're buying 2 defenders when we blaitently need a central-midfielder.
Papa Lazarou
05-01-2006, 23:25
i think if we get these defenders an a central midfield player then we will be really strong next season
Simao however is an odd target as we don't really need wingers as we have ronaldo, park, giggs, richardson an ole contending but maybe he'll replace giggs i dunno. he's a quality player though
edit: we may be after Gravesen
link:
http://msnsport.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=350409&CPID=8&clid=&lid=&title=Gravesen's+Prem+plea
vanNistelrooy
05-01-2006, 23:34
Nearly got Evra
Link (http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=350692&cpid=8&CLID=&lid=4161&title=United+close+on+Monaco+d eal&channel=skysports_home_page)
Yeah it looks like Silvestre can start packing his bags. :laugh:
vanNistelrooy
05-01-2006, 23:38
Yeah it looks like Silvestre can start packing his bags. :laugh:
It's his own fault. If he didn't panic every time he was in close proximity of the ball, he'd be ok.
He is actually really good at long balls, I have seen him play some great long balls but that isn't really good enough to be a defender.
He can't really head the ball and he is poor at tackling the only thing he has got going for him is his pace.
vanNistelrooy
05-01-2006, 23:43
He is actually really good at long balls, I have seen him play some great long balls but that isn't really good enough to be a defender.
He can't really head the ball and he is poor at tackling the only thing he has got going for him is his pace.
I admit he can switch play well, but his balls up to the forwards suck. Also, he'll do it after we've been passing the ball about. He'll just "John Terry" it.
Pace? Haven't noticed it for the last few seasons to be honest.
Scarface
05-01-2006, 23:44
Evra is a very good defender, but where's he gonna play when you've got Heinze at left back and Ferdinand, Brown and now Vidic as centre backs?
I expect that he is just going to be cover really but I think that he can play left midfield aswell.
I'm of the same thinking as Reyes, why? Ferguson doesn't neccessarily need him when Heinze returns, and Evra must know that. I doubt he'd want to be a cover player also. So this transfer puzzles me. Unless the plan is to sell him on at the end of the season if he's unhappy.
I'm of the same thinking as Reyes, why? Ferguson doesn't neccessarily need him when Heinze returns, and Evra must know that. I doubt he'd want to be a cover player also. So this transfer puzzles me. Unless the plan is to sell him on at the end of the season if he's unhappy.
But the same thing happened with Park, surely he knew that when he came he wouldn't be first choice but he has been pretty good since he joined.
Also it adds to the squad depth, that is why Chelsea are winning the league because of the amazing depth in their squad so this is making the squad much better.
But the same thing happened with Park, surely he knew that when he came he wouldn't be first choice but he has been pretty good since he joined.
Also it adds to the squad depth, that is why Chelsea are winning the league because of the amazing depth in their squad so this is making the squad much better.
That's different.
1) Park is versatile, either wing (or centre if required)
2) Giggs does not have many seasons left in him
3) Evra (as far as I'm aware) is pretty much just a left back
4) Heinze will definitely be number one choice when he comes back
If you want depth, then get class centre mids, a better back up striker and a versatile defender, not a left back. Just think strengthening other positions would be best.
Kevthedrummer
06-01-2006, 01:19
here's a question... what colour is Silvestre? Black or white or what because on PES he is white and never looks right?
please understand that this is NOT a racist post
AgentZero
06-01-2006, 01:23
evra is one player i highly regard as a great french talent and he'd be worth it every penny.
Simao would be great...although unneeded but...with the ageing Giggs and Solksjaer that just leaves us with Ron, park and Kieran(which looks certain to join West Brom permanently). so i guess hes more of a long term investment.
but could also mean trouble..if Cristiano and Simao link up well Portugal look very strong to win the WC...which we all want england to win of course:rolleyes:
Kevthedrummer
06-01-2006, 01:27
What would you say about my Silvestre question? White or black LosGalacticos?
Keyser Soze
06-01-2006, 01:28
What would you say about my Silvestre question? White or black LosGalacticos?
Mixed race.
Kevthedrummer
06-01-2006, 01:29
Mixed race.
fair enough but which number is that in the PES skin tones
Keyser Soze
06-01-2006, 01:32
3, I think. :mellow:
Kevthedrummer
06-01-2006, 01:38
3, I think. :mellow:
- thanks...
and by the way what the hell are you doing in here?:unsure:
evra is one player i highly regard as a great french talent and he'd be worth it every penny.
Simao would be great...although unneeded but...with the ageing Giggs and Solksjaer that just leaves us with Ron, park and Kieran(which looks certain to join West Brom permanently). so i guess hes more of a long term investment.
but could also mean trouble..if Cristiano and Simao link up well Portugal look very strong to win the WC...which we all want england to win of course:rolleyes:
I'm not questioning his ability and I'm sure he is worth every penny, but we do already have a better left back at the club, and I feel we should be concentrating on other areas.
Simao would be a good buy for the reasons you've said. I think Ferguson must be planning a BIG centre mid signing for the summer then if he is ignoring the issue now. I reckon he has someone in mind.
Keyser Soze
06-01-2006, 01:39
- thanks...
and by the way what the hell are you doing in here?:unsure:
Just searching the new posts, like to see what the Mancs are up to once in a while too.
Kevthedrummer
06-01-2006, 01:40
Just searching the new posts, like to see what the Mancs are up to once in a while too.
you ever seen sleeping with the enemy? anyway that's off topic.
AgentZero
06-01-2006, 10:14
What would you say about my Silvestre question? White or black LosGalacticos?
he's definately dark olivy skin tone...bit darker than cristiano at euro but lighter than kieran....
so yeh id say 3...so what french is he? Algerian of Afrikan French?
I admit he can switch play well, but his balls up to the forwards suck. Also, he'll do it after we've been passing the ball about. He'll just "John Terry" it.
Pace? Haven't noticed it for the last few seasons to be honest.
As for pace, Evra is a fuckin' flying machine.
I'm pleased we've got the lad. He's a very versatile player, I've seen him play in central midfield, left wing and even up front for Monaco. He's better than any fit left back we have at the moment and if Heinze produces the same sort of form he did before he was injured? Then we'll play him on the left wing.
A couple of 'sources' if you can call them that, reckon this lad is immense. And from what I've seen of him, he's definitely United quality. I know I've already said it, but he's like lightning.
Still, let's not get carried away... We're still desperate for a holding midfeidler and a creative midfilder too. Nonetheless, this lad should help to shore up the defence - hopefully the days of seeing Richardson at left back are now over.
vanNistelrooy
07-01-2006, 16:35
I don't mind Richardson at LB, rather than O'Shea (who'' either cut in on his right, or try nutmeg the opponent). Richardson is quite disciplined at LB, realises he'll have to get back after attacks. A player who doesn't do that is Cichino. Saw him vs Liverpool and he took on the whole team, lost it in Liverpool's half and just strutted back. Silly prick.
Phatmann
07-01-2006, 16:42
I don't mind Richardson at LB, rather than O'Shea (who'' either cut in on his right, or try nutmeg the opponent). Richardson is quite disciplined at LB, realises he'll have to get back after attacks. A player who doesn't do that is Cichino. Saw him vs Liverpool and he took on the whole team, lost it in Liverpool's half and just strutted back. Silly prick.
Isn't that how the Brazilians play though, with Cafu or Carlos flying down the wing and the defensive midfielder filling in til they get back in position? I heard Kleberson used to do that :mellow:
vanNistelrooy
07-01-2006, 20:23
Atleast Cafu gets back. I think Carlos is an awful defender. He can't defend, kind of a key attribute to me!
Papa Lazarou
07-01-2006, 21:37
Ole is starting tomorrow against Burton!! I Can't wait!! he's gonna score, i can feel it
vanNistelrooy
07-01-2006, 22:12
Ole is starting tomorrow against Burton!! I Can't wait!! he's gonna score, i can feel it
I really hope he does. The important thing is that we win. Then Ole can bag a couple ;)
mattythewhite
08-01-2006, 16:35
He is also the captain of the team.
vanNistelrooy
08-01-2006, 17:03
We are also playing shit.
vanNistelrooy
08-01-2006, 17:57
0-0, I'll take that from the beach.
Papa Lazarou
08-01-2006, 20:32
to be fair, the pitch was absolute shite! but don't worry, at Old Trafford we'll hammer 'em
vanNistelrooy
08-01-2006, 20:34
to be fair, the pitch was absolute shite! but don't worry, at Old Trafford we'll hammer 'em
Not like we have much else to concentrate on.
I dont really mind about the result really as I expect us to beat them comfortably in the replay.
Phatmann
09-01-2006, 00:19
Good ol' Louis Saha :rolleyes:
Bit of news on Mikel Obi:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/africa/4595862.stm
P.S: I am going to watch the replay with Burton.
vanNistelrooy
09-01-2006, 22:58
I don't want him at the club. Especially if he's going to act like a spoilt little shit like he is ATM. Probably got offered more £ or realised it's easier to sit on the bench at Chelsea, make a substitute appearance here or there and pick up a winners medal. I say "Fuck off Mikel Obi".
Bellion has gone to Nice on loan:
http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=293577&itype=466&icategoryid=120
Good news in my opinion as I think he is quite a good player and with enough experience could become a good player.
Also Vidic has got the No. 15 shirt.
Guillermo
10-01-2006, 19:49
Evra deal is complete. £5.5m I think it turned out to be. Fergie says transfer kitty is closed, but he is still interested in striking a deal for Gravesen. £3m we should (no more) pay, and we can't really offer less because of the Everton bring back clause of £2.5m.
Phatmann
10-01-2006, 19:58
Evra deal is complete. £5.5m I think it turned out to be. Fergie says transfer kitty is closed, but he is still interested in striking a deal for Gravesen. £3m we should (no more) pay, and we can't really offer less because of the Everton bring back clause of £2.5m.
Gravesen? :mellow: oh dear.
Guillermo
10-01-2006, 20:16
Yes that's how I feel really. Although I'd rather him than a lot of people Fergie is thinking about purchasing. Plus not too expensive, I would prefer him on loan til end of season really to see how he would perform with the team, but that's unlikely.
man.i wished that only the rumours were true of bringing Gennaro Gattuso to Old trafford:(
Well...Gattuso would be good but so would Gilardino and thats not going to happen, neither is Vieri to Newcastle, but Nihat will be ok. Who you want is Diop from Fulham, 8mil perhaps?
Phatmann
10-01-2006, 20:54
man.i wished that only the rumours were true of bringing Gennaro Gattuso to Old trafford:(
I'd dream of it happening but would never happen.
Diop- I certainly wouldn't want to spend £8m on him, but he's not a bad player.
Bit of news on Mikel Obi:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/africa/4595862.stm
P.S: I am going to watch the replay with Burton.
Glad you feel like drawing the Burton game is a positive, gives you the chance to see United - for me, it's just another £27 I have to find for a completely pointless game next week. Let's just hope that finally the point will be rammed home that whilst our first eleven may be very good, short only in midfield, it's a theme that runs throughout the club in all positions and one that needs addressing within the next couple of weeks.
So, what does everyone think will be the score tonight?
I reckon with strongest side out it would be 2-0 but with a weaker team it will be a closer game.
Phatmann
11-01-2006, 18:24
So, what does everyone think will be the score tonight?
I reckon with strongest side out it would be 2-0 but with a weaker team it will be a closer game.
I reckon a 0-0 draw or 1-0 win to Blackburn as I don't see us putting a very good team out.
(you can bet Saha will play :rolleyes:)
This is the squad for the game:
Van der Sar, Howard, Neville, Bardsley, Brown, Ferdinand, Silvestre, Evra, O'Shea, Richardson, Ronaldo, Fletcher, Smith, Scholes, Giggs, Van Nistelrooy, Saha, Rooney, Rossi, Solskjaer.
I can't really see a really weak team in there so it could be a win.
Keyser Soze
11-01-2006, 18:33
This is the squad for the game:
Van der Sar, Howard, Neville, Bardsley, Brown, Ferdinand, Silvestre, Evra, O'Shea, Richardson, Ronaldo, Fletcher, Smith, Scholes, Giggs, Van Nistelrooy, Saha, Rooney, Rossi, Solskjaer.
I can't really see a really weak team in there so it could be a win.
You under-rate Blackburn so much, they've been in great form and are slowly turning they're reputation from a dirty team into a decent one again.
You under-rate Blackburn so much, they've been in great form and are slowly turning they're reputation from a dirty team into a decent one again.
Yeah but as our strongest team is in there then I would expect them to win.
vanNistelrooy
11-01-2006, 19:04
Where's Vidic!?
2-1 Blackburn. As we are shit.
Don't know why everyone on here is unhappy about us being linked with Gravesen. I think he'd be a great addition.
...gravesen ain't going nowhere
Phatmann
11-01-2006, 19:12
Where's Vidic!?
2-1 Blackburn. As we are shit.
Don't know why everyone on here is unhappy about us being linked with Gravesen. I think he'd be a great addition.
Gravesen would be ok but he isn't a great player. I just hope he proves me wrong if we do get him.
Vidic is still unfit as he hasn't played since November, so he'll be in the team in a few weeks.
We want a centre midfielder who will be able to stick around for 5+ years so we can build a midfield and not have to start a new midfield every couple of years.
vanNistelrooy
11-01-2006, 19:18
We want a centre midfielder who will be able to stick around for 5+ years so we can build a midfield and not have to start a new midfield every couple of years.
Yeh but what's £3m? Also he is a proved player in the EPL. We don't wanna buy a foreigner who takes time to settle.
vanNistelrooy
11-01-2006, 19:20
van der Sar
Neville
Brown
Ferdinand
Silvestre
Ronaldo
Smith
Fletcher
Giggs
Saha
Rooney
Not a strong team, Silvestre weakens it SOOOO much.
Why is Ray Wilkins always on Sky Sports for the Man Yoo games? I know he played for us, but even when he's complimenting us (every blue fucking moon), he sounds like he's criticising us! Cock!
vanNistelrooy
11-01-2006, 20:33
LOUIS!
shhhhhhhhh Phatmann shhhhhhhhh
EDIT: Dammit 1-1, gotta love MG Pedersen though, quality player.
Robbie Savage is a cunt. If you can't take it, don't bother giving it you prick.
Damn! Pedersen is one of the players who seems to score against us.
vanNistelrooy
11-01-2006, 20:59
Can't believe how much Savage is a poof. Rivaldo => Turkey anyone? Funny how it was Styles who caught him in the face. What did he book Rooney for anyway?
Oh well I will take a draw away at Blackburn and I fully believe we are capable of beating them at Old Trafford.
Also good to see Saha score again, lets just hope that he will get on a run and we will have one hell of a striking team.
AgentZero
11-01-2006, 23:47
that f*cking gamst pedersen again.....
Phatmann
12-01-2006, 09:58
To be fair Sahas goal was good play by him, but other than that he didn't really play well for the rest of the match.
Ehm, did Evra play in this particular game?
ps2gtavc
12-01-2006, 10:18
no, evra didnt play, some issue about his permit meant he couldn't.
that f*cking gamst pedersen again.....
He's a great player.
For those that aren't aware, I heard today that United have been speaking to Fulham about their midfielder Pape Bouba Diop. Fulham are understood to want £8m for the player, but United are looking to pay £6m.
I like the look of Diop, and if we DO manage to get him then it'll certainly go a long way to completing a very strong first XI, which is currently only lacking in midfield.
...We've also been linked with Gravesen recently, but to my knowledge, the recent interest is purely paper talk trying to rekindle an old story, added to the comments from the Danish national coach, who said Gravesen should move clubs.
He's a great player.
For those that aren't aware, I heard today that United have been speaking to Fulham about their midfielder Pape Bouba Diop. Fulham are understood to want £8m for the player, but United are looking to pay £6m.
I like the look of Diop, and if we DO manage to get him then it'll certainly go a long way to completing a very strong first XI, which is currently only lacking in midfield.
...We've also been linked with Gravesen recently, but to my knowledge, the recent interest is purely paper talk trying to rekindle an old story, added to the comments from the Danish national coach, who said Gravesen should move clubs.You get Papa Bouba and your squad will once again be excellent, defence is extremely well covered as is the forward line, just centre midfield but Papa Bouba would fill that void very nice... and Park for me has been a cracking signing, everytime i've seen him play his energetic displays have nothing but impressed me
Stella Artois
12-01-2006, 16:11
Park rarely delivers though Jonny.
Anyway, if you played a 4-4-2 who would it be?
Van Der Sar
Nev Rio Vidic Evra
Ronaldo Smith Diop Giggs
Rooney Donkey
?
For me, you're still pretty week in the centre of the park. I don't really rate Smithy as a midfielder. Not to mention Giggs' days are behind him.
cascarino16
12-01-2006, 16:19
I would have a similar team (say we have got Diop)
Van Der sar
Nev, Rio, Vidic, Evra
Ronaldo, Diop, O'Shea, Giggs
Rooney, Ruud
With regards to giggs, okay he may not be the player he used to be (scoring 'that goal' against arsenal), but he is still valuable to united and even at his age the youngsters are finding it hard to get ahead of him in the pecking order when he is fit, as he is still brilliant (IMO)
Van Der Sar
Neville, Wes, Rio, Heinze
Ronaldo, Scholes, Diop, Evra
Rooney, Van Nistelrooy
Our midfield is currently dreadful. With Diop we'll be half there, but it still probably wont be up to the high standards that we have set. Scholes is still an excellent player, but Smith, Fletcher and O'Shea, whilst they aren't necessarily BAD players, aren't good enough central midfielders to play for United.
As for Park, he's a good player. Not a great player, but a useful substitute and gives some strength in depth- he can play anywhere in midfield, and although no team lets a world-class player go for £3 million, United have got a very good footballer, especially considering his price.
Phatmann
12-01-2006, 17:00
Van Der Sar
Neville, Wes, Rio, Heinze
Ronaldo, Scholes, Diop, Evra
Rooney, Van Nistelrooy
I'd agree with you there, I'd choose te same team as our 1st team. But perhaps, depending on how good he is, Vidic will come in instead of Rio (I'm not saying Rio is a bad player, just that I think Brown is currently playing better than him)
I'd agree with you there, I'd choose te same team as our 1st team. But perhaps, depending on how good he is, Vidic will come in instead of Rio (I'm not saying Rio is a bad player, just that I think Brown is currently playing better than him)
If Vidic is that good, I'd play him as a centre-back and move Wesley over to the right.
There's no way I'd consider dropping Wes or Rio when they're both fit.
Phatmann
12-01-2006, 17:09
If Vidic is that good, I'd play him as a centre-back and move Wesley over to the right.
There's no way I'd consider dropping Wes or Rio when they're both fit.
and play Brown instead of Gary Neville? :mellow: But I know what you mean, you can't really drop Rio from the defence cos he's still a quality player.
I reckon the Gravesen move would be most likely for us, considering his agent is ex-Man U player John Sivebaek.
vanNistelrooy
12-01-2006, 20:20
van der Sar
Neville Rio Brown Evra
Diop
Ronaldo Scholes Giggs
Ruud Rooney
That's with Gabby injured. When he's back, he'd go straight back in at left back, and depending on how good Evra turns out to be, him in place of Giggsy.
and play Brown instead of Gary Neville? :mellow: But I know what you mean, you can't really drop Rio from the defence cos he's still a quality player.
I reckon the Gravesen move would be most likely for us, considering his agent is ex-Man U player John Sivebaek.
Yep, though Neville is incredibly consistant, I couldn't justify leaving Wesley out of the squad. Plus he's quicker, more physical, and far stronger in the tackle than Gary. He's a no-nonsense defender, and on a few occasions Neville has put us under a bit of pressure with mishit passes.
vanNistelrooy
12-01-2006, 22:14
Yep, though Neville is incredibly consistant, I couldn't justify leaving Wesley out of the squad. Plus he's quicker, more physical, and far stronger in the tackle than Gary. He's a no-nonsense defender, and on a few occasions Neville has put us under a bit of pressure with mishit passes.
Gotta love the Tango Man :D
It's a shame we haven't seen as much as we'd liked of Wes, with all his injuries.
o0oGedo0o
12-01-2006, 22:15
van der Sar
Neville Rio Brown Evra
Diop
Ronaldo Scholes Giggs
Ruud Rooney
That's with Gabby injured. When he's back, he'd go straight back in at left back, and depending on how good Evra turns out to be, him in place of Giggsy.
That formation is lacking Park, he's a good player IMO.
edit:plus Ferguson said clearly that the spending spree is over after getting Vidic and Evra.
Phatmann
12-01-2006, 22:16
The reserves thrashed Leeds reserves 5-1 tonight, with Ole Gunnar Solskjaer getting a goal :) The other scorers were Frazer Campbell (2) and Giuseppe Rossi (2).
In other news, Ritchie Jones, Adam Eckersley and Sylvan Ebanks-Blake have joined up with Antwerp on loan. They will be there with Lee Martin and Danny Simpson, and those already there Dong Fangzhou and Souleymaname Mamam (sp?).
vanNistelrooy
12-01-2006, 22:17
That formation is lacking Park, he's a good player IMO.
I feel he makes more of an impact as a sub. Plus we need some experience in there. Giggs was making some lovely passes yesterday.
I'd prefer Gravesen over Diop though.
In other news, Ritchie Jones, Adam Eckersley and Sylvan Ebanks-Blake have joined up with Antwerp on loan.
A shame, I like him.
Good to see Rossi and Solksjaer scoring for the reserves and hopefully they can carry there form into the league.
Phatmann
12-01-2006, 22:23
I feel he makes more of an impact as a sub. Plus we need some experience in there. Giggs was making some lovely passes yesterday.
I'd prefer Gravesen over Diop though.
A shame, I like him.
It's not like sylvan is gonna play many games this season :rolleyes: It'd be good for him to go over there and play 1st team football, plus he can team up with the prolific Dong (15 games 10 goals) and hopefully help Antwerp to stay up :mellow:
With all of those players at Antwerp from Man Utd, it's making a mockery of the Belgian second division or whatever they're in. It's just like the Man Utd youth team in a professional league.
That formation is lacking Park, he's a good player IMO.
edit:plus Ferguson said clearly that the spending spree is over after getting Vidic and Evra.
SAF has said that there will be another addition to the squad. He's not stupid, and it's painfully obvious that the squad needs strengthening in midfield. If we don't sign a midfielder in this transfer window then we can wave goodbye to any hope of winning absoloutley anything this season.
o0oGedo0o
13-01-2006, 02:23
i saw on premierleague.com that he won't be signing any players, then i checked back today and i found an article that "spending is not over", we'll see how's this going to end, hopefully we'll get a decent player.
AgentZero
13-01-2006, 03:20
Park rarely delivers though Jonny.
Anyway, if you played a 4-4-2 who would it be?
Van Der Sar
Nev Rio Vidic Evra
Ronaldo Smith Diop Giggs
Rooney Donkey
?
.
well thast both not nice and incorrect
it should be
Shrek Donkey
o0oGedo0o
13-01-2006, 10:53
^^^^ Lmao
AgentZero
13-01-2006, 21:40
With all of those players at Antwerp from Man Utd, it's making a mockery of the Belgian second division or whatever they're in. It's just like the Man Utd youth team in a professional league.
i agree we have like have half of the starting eleven being Mancs...and O'shea use to play tehre...so im beginning to think that we have a connection with them....a sister club.
finnsih on a sidenote...did u guys know that we have Rincon..he's playing in sao paolo but hten after that he has 2 seasons with Sporting Lisbon, then he'll be eligeble to play with us.
Lord Shrimpeh
14-01-2006, 01:14
i agree we have like have half of the starting eleven being Mancs...and O'shea use to play tehre...so im beginning to think that we have a connection with them....a sister club.
finnsih on a sidenote...did u guys know that we have Rincon..he's playing in sao paolo but hten after that he has 2 seasons with Sporting Lisbon, then he'll be eligeble to play with us.
Who the hell is he and when did this happen? Is it like the De Jong has he, hasn't he, signed thing?
im beginning to think that we have a connection with them
You are?
Who the hell is he and when did this happen? Is it like the De Jong has he, hasn't he, signed thing?
He's been a Man utd player on the last two Football Manager games, so a while ago. According to that, he's a young defender, and not very good.
3663dawg
14-01-2006, 12:32
royal antwerp are officially man uniteds feeder club, man u can play registered players in antwerps team, players like fangzou, eagles, etc:
what time is kick off, is it on sky sports
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