Manchester United

[Lost seraphim]

speakin as an arsenal fan, ideally i dont want this 2 happen but i think his almost yours. newcastle can hardly offer the same as u, and once rooney wants 2 leave, not moyes or ne1 else can stop him. i think it will end up bein around £24m plus a player (possibly kleberson or bellion).
I think you should :D Arsenal is much stronger than Man utd at the moment, hopefully Rooney's arrival will close the gap and we'll have an exciting premiership battle on our hands once more

[skullverine]

i dont think rooney will join us.. because today is monday! hopefully everton will agree a deal and Rooney sign a contract by today

[ruud_v_n10]

keep your hopes high un-nicked, he is almost there. just needs a medical to go through before the window closes :)

[Kovacevic]

keep your hopes high un-nicked, he is almost there. just needs a medical to go through before the window closes :)

Are u saying that everton has accepted the fee. Ain´t rooney injured for the time being?

Van, Smith, Rooney, Saha. It is getting quite impressive.

[7RONALDO7]

Yes, WE NEED TO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!

[Singh]

man utd 0-eveton 0

what a poor result

[Harry-Kewell]

I watched the game. I thought Everton defended extremely well and fully deserved to get a point. They should have had a penalty when Silvestre deliberately handballed the ball. How on earth did the referee not see that? Man Utd did hit the post on 3 occasions, but they simply weren't good enough to find a way through.

[skullverine]

yeah! we controlled most of the game! CR should've score!

man.. i can't wait till mid-september! the return of Rio Ferdinand,RVN,Keane,Heinze and Wes Brown

i think we will be the strongest team in september

[Harry-Kewell]

man.. i can't wait till mid-september! the return of Rio Ferdinand,RVN,Keane,Heinze and Wes Brown

i think we will be the strongest team in september

Arsenal are coping exceptionally well without Campbell and Vieira. When they return, they'll be even better.

[skullverine]

http://www.teamtalk.com/teamtalk/News/Story_Page/0,7760,881366,00.html

Wayne Rooney's transfer saga could finally be concluded on Monday with Manchester United closing in on the teenager.

Everton chairman Bill Kenwright will meet with United chief executive David Gill before the Premiership encounter between the sides at Old Trafford.

United tabled an improved bid of £25m on Saturday and both clubs remain in negotiation, with Everton holding out for an offer nearer their £30m valuation for the striker.

They are however now willing to take a player as part of any deal. They have asked about Brazilian World Cup winner Kleberson, but the midfielder is reluctant to leave Old Trafford.

Newcastle now look to be out of the race to sign Rooney after manager Sir Bobby Robson was "relieved of his duties" at St James' Park.

[Singh]

i cant wait until this whole rooney saga is over at least it will let man utd concentrate back on the pitch and win back that premiership!!

[Lost seraphim]

ugh, still no news on Rooney, what the hell is taking so long

[skullverine]

United Reach Agreement For Rooney
Manchester United plc has reached an outline agreement with Everton FC for the transfer of the registration of Wayne Rooney, subject to his successful completion of a medical.

Details of the agreement will be announced when all terms are complete.

Communications Department,
Manchester United PLC, Tuesday 31 August 2004

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i hope he will pass his medical...

[7RONALDO7]

What Number do you think Rooney will be?

I think he will wear the Number 8 shirt!

[skullverine]

yeah i think he'll wear #8 because the number is the lowest vacant number

[skullverine]

Manchester United have announced the transfer of Wayne Rooney from Everton.


The 18-year-old English forward passed the medical tests this morning and signed for the Red Devils for a fee of around 37 million Euros.

The exact details of this operation will be revealed later on this afternoon

http://www.goal.com/NewsDetail.aspx?idNews=19326
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37 million Euros?? too expensive

[Swish]

Not really.

United are well known for buying players at extremely high prices.

Saha, Smith, Ferdinand, Forland, C. Ronaldo, Veron. The list goes on. More proof that Ferguson couldnt conduct business at his local sweet shop, let alone a football club.

[skullverine]

well, the bad thing is that CR is not the most expensive teenager anymore :(

btw, with most of our first team player are back in mid-september.. who will be in the first eleven? i think its gonna be somthing like this

...............howard......... .......
gary....ferdinand..silvest/brown....heinze/o'shea
CR.....keane....scholes...gigg s

....rvn/smith.....saha/rooney

[Swish]

Reyes was more expensive than C.Ronaldo.

So he was the most expensive for a couple of months. But that ended when Arsenal bought Reyes for £22m+

[Figо10]

Howard

G.Neville Ferdinand Heinze Silvestre

Scholes

C.Ronaldo Smith Giggs

van Nistelrooy Saha

Carroll
Brown
O'Shea
Keane
Kleberson
Miller
Rooney


Good to see they are all returning, especially Heinze, bringing back an Olympic gold medal and Copa America runner up medal :D

Then Manchester United can really show people their best :)

[7RONALDO7]

I wouldn't have Rooney on the bench, He should be where Saha is!

Also, Henize plays on the left!!!

[skullverine]

i know but i think SAF will be able to rotate our 4 strikers

a quote from soccernet

"United need to get the players back from Olympics/injury list/suspension before the season can really begin."

- Richard Selby, Soccernet FC Correspondent

olympics= done
injury list= almost done
suspension= ""


once all of them are back!!

defenders= solid
midfields=might create chances
strikers= superb

[Figо10]

I wouldn't have Rooney on the bench, He should be where Saha is!

Also, Henize plays on the left!!!

They had already got O'Shea and Silvestre what for spend so much for a 3rd?

[skullverine]

silvestre had said he hates to play at LB and he says his best position is CB

i really don't know why... he played really good at LB in season 02/03

[Figо10]

Yeah and before that as well.

By the way if Heinze is a specialised leftback then great, since Silvestre would rather play at CB and O'Shea can play anywhere in defence or midfield.

[7RONALDO7]

I think that O'Shea will be on the bench alot!

G.Neville...Ferdinand...Silves tre...Heinze

[tomdaman2]

yeah o'shea shud be on the bench but if silvestre keeps making mistakes then but o'shea in centre back. Also for some reason o'shea is rubbish in left back now when in season 02/03 he was brilliant and looked a real prospect there.
Also rooney on the bench lol r u joking. ruud annd roney will be a class partnership and shud be one of the best in the world

[7RONALDO7]

Have you seen how much we are puying for Rooney, it's up to £29 million!!! Plus add-ons

[Singh]

£29 million for him wtf, £27million i fought

ruud and rooney up fronr wat a strikeforce

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?id=308909&cc=5739

[Tenacious D]

lol u lot are funny now you LOT are getting happy and all your fans are saying there going to stop ARSENAL and CHELSEA LOL!!!! and where going to win everything lol

[Singh]

oh yea Rooney will be unveiled at a 1pm press conference tomorrow.

[Singh]

lol u lot are funny now you LOT are getting happy and all your fans are saying there going to stop ARSENAL and CHELSEA LOL!!!! and where going to win everything lol


huh?? it will take more than rooney to stop arsenal and chelsea wouldnt u get happy if u had bought rooney?

[50!]

£29 million for that fat bastard are you having a laugh? I think someone has been conned very badly...... indeed.

[Lost seraphim]

doesn't matter that you think he is fat or he looks like shrek, you can't deny that the boy can play

[Singh]

innit who cares if he is fat b!S%@rd im sure if any1 else had bought him they would be boosting abt it

[Singh]

p.s i dont think he is a fat b!S%@rd soemonelse said it 50! did

[Tenacious D]

huh?? it will take more than rooney to stop arsenal and chelsea wouldnt u get happy if u had bought rooney?
NOPE i wouldnt chelsea dont need him and i "personally dont think" he's better than Smith as i have bein very impressed with him i dont think we need him we would have paid like 40 million for him knowing chelsea

and plus rooney has only done(world class) well in the euro (im not impressed on him untill he plays very well against the top teams in europe)

Dont get me wrong i think he's a talent BUT he aint done nothing speacial yet has he?? i think not!!!! You need to back up other departments saha RVN smith and rooney 4 top class strikers.

£30 for and 18yearold its crazy how much would Henry cost then or the arsenal captain.

[pelepele]

i think its 20m and 7m on appearences. thats a Good deal i reckon.

Shrek and Donkey up front! (donkey/horse same difference)

[Tenacious D]

i think its 20m and 7m on appearences. thats a Good deal i reckon.

Shrek and Donkey up front! (donkey/horse same difference)
LOLLLLLOOOLLLLLL!!!!!!!! :p

Dats a good one LOL!!!!!!! ur a G. i think rooney is kinda fast evenr though he's "fat" ;)

[Singh]

i think its 20m and 7m on appearences. thats a Good deal i reckon.

Shrek and Donkey up front! (donkey/horse same difference)

yep carry on ur cheap digs at rooney and rvn ;)

u and others wont be laughing when he rips your defence to bits :D :cool:

[pelepele]

yep carry on ur cheap digs at rooney and rvn ;)

u and others wont be laughing when he rips your defence to bits :D :cool:




I wasnt having a dig at there ability! i think they are both quality. Just there uncanny resemblences!

[Tenacious D]

I wasnt having a dig at there ability! i think they are both quality. Just there uncanny resemblences!
:cool: some people have no humour only because rooney comes man u,some how he aint fat no more :p

[Singh]

I wasnt having a dig at there ability! i think they are both quality. Just there uncanny resemblences!


na its cool im only messing abt ok there not going to win any prizes for looks but who cares its abt what goes on the pitch

[pelepele]

I ent said he ent fat!! :p

[Singh]

I ent said he ent fat!! :p


:rolleyes: ppl these dayss :D

[7RONALDO7]

Rooney is fat

[Singh]

he slighty on the big side but watch fergie put him in shape

[Lost seraphim]

Rooney is indeed #8

http://picsrv.manutd.com/fif=/manu/img_10_7658.fpx&obj=iip,1.0&wid=230&hei=159&rgn=0,0,0,0&cvt=jpeg

[Singh]

Roony is indeed #8

http://picsrv.manutd.com/fif=/manu/img_10_7658.fpx&obj=iip,1.0&wid=230&hei=159&rgn=0,0,0,0&cvt=jpeg


mid if i use that as signature pic?

[Lost seraphim]

go ahead it's not my picture, manutd.com's

[Singh]

safeee

[7RONALDO7]

I was looking for a pic of Rooney.but you can use it as I want to keep up my Ronaldo theme LOL!

[Lost seraphim]

there's another on manutd.com's front page

[Singh]

I was looking for a pic of Rooney.but you can use it as I want to keep up my Ronaldo theme LOL!

oh safe :D if u want have it but yea u should stick to ronaldo theme :rolleyes:

[Singh]

there's another on manutd.com's front page


oh yea seen it but he dont look to happy :eek: or does he??

[Lost seraphim]

:confused: I would say he does

[7RONALDO7]

oh safe :D if u want have it but yea u should stick to ronaldo theme :rolleyes:

LOL, thanks for the helpfull tip lol

[Singh]

LOL, thanks for the helpfull tip lol


lol well im always there to state the obvious :D

All i got to say is why cant Sun 24 october come quicker because at 16:05 Arsenal will come to old trafford live on sky

[7RONALDO7]

Yeh, it will be a repeat of when Rooney beats Seaman!!!!!!!

[Singh]

Yeh, it will be a repeat of when Rooney beats Seaman!!!!!!!


how ironic it was arsenal really who started off rooneys carrer ;)

[MikeyM]

Just think of the firepower United will have when Ruud's fit again!

Did you see the signing happen on MUTV? It was so funny, it happened during Crerand and Bower in extra time - you know their studio overlooks Old Trafford's pitch well the cameras were waiting for Rooney to emerge by his car, what happened was something like this ;


Steve Bower: And the moment anything happens, we'll let you know
Paddy Crerand (who is glancing down out the window) : Oh, I thought that was Wayne Rooney then (Laughs) ....

Crerand: It is Wayne Rooney!

And the camera then shows the two of them gazing out of the window, as MUTV desperately try to get a camera down pitchside!


You can probably see it tomorrow, MUTV is repeated till 5:00


You know, I've been waiting for a huge signing like this since Ronaldinho's deal collapsed (I know we got Ronaldo, but he wasn't a superstar like Rooney at the time, though those who saw him knew he soon would be!)


Mike.

[Singh]

Just think of the firepower United will have when Ruud's fit again!

Did you see the signing happen on MUTV? It was so funny, it happened during Crerand and Bower in extra time - you know their studio overlooks Old Trafford's pitch well the cameras were waiting for Rooney to emerge by his car, what happened was something like this ;


Steve Bower: And the moment anything happens, we'll let you know
Paddy Crerand (who is glancing down out the window) : Oh, I thought that was Wayne Rooney then (Laughs) ....

Crerand: It is Wayne Rooney!

And the camera then shows the two of them gazing out of the window, as MUTV desperately try to get a camera down pitchside!


You can probably see it tomorrow, MUTV is repeated till 5:00


You know, I've been waiting for a huge signing like this since Ronaldinho's deal collapsed (I know we got Ronaldo, but he wasn't a superstar like Rooney at the time, though those who saw him knew he soon would be!)


Mike.

lol i actually saw that it was funny

rooney and ruud amazing combinations wen do u fink rooney will start?? but u cant drop smith on his goal streak

[MikeyM]

Well I think Ruud will be doubtfull till after the Liverpool game so I think Smith will continue - he gives us some fight - and holds the ball up front too, a quality we've been lacking. Rooney has resumed training (and he passed a medical) so I don't think his United bow will be too long in coming. Rooney is also a physical player, so again that will give United strong presence up front. And the supply line of Ronaldo and Giggs from the flanks, with Scholes floating between the frontline and midfield - marshalled by Keano. I think that when everyone is fit, and Rio is still to come back - United will take some stopping :) I'm like a kid at Christmas - I can't wait to see United firing on all four cylinders again! And maybe we may even see Gabriel Heinze at some stage too :p

And also look at the average age of the side now, this is the basis for United for the next decade (Rooney, Ronaldo, Smith, Fletcher, Miller, Ferdinand possibly)


Mike.

[Jonny2J]

so again that will give United strong presence up front. And the supply line of Ronaldo and Giggs from the flanks, with he needs to sort out a final ball first

[Singh]

damn the way you say it makes football seem so easy but ur right man utd will have to have there best players around if gonna have any chance to win premierhsip, ure not the only 1 who wants to see man utd fire on all cylinders! its abt time man utd showed the arsenals and chelseas of this world who boss around here.Heinze? i forgot what he looks like...theres going to be some tackles flying around when rooney and smith on same pitch!!

[MikeyM]

damn the way you say it makes football seem so easy but ur right man utd will have to have there best players around if gonna have any chance to win premierhsip, ure not the only 1 who wants to see man utd fire on all cylinders! its abt time man utd showed the arsenals and chelseas of this world who boss around here.Heinze? i forgot what he looks like...theres going to be some tackles flying around when rooney and smith on same pitch!!


And of course there's Mr. Keane as well :) I've thought for a while United had become a bit lightweight as far as physicality goes, and also recently I'd noticed the drive and desire wasn't as present as it used to be (especially when Roy is missing) Now with Smith, at least there is someone fighting for every ball, and Rooney will do the same. Ronaldo's quality of delivery is improving all the time as well - though I do think he's more of a "Ryan Giggs" than a "David Beckham" type.


Mike.

[Singh]

And of course there's Mr. Keane as well :) I've thought for a while United had become a bit lightweight as far as physicality goes, and also recently I'd noticed the drive and desire wasn't as present as it used to be (especially when Roy is missing) Now with Smith, at least there is someone fighting for every ball, and Rooney will do the same. Ronaldo's quality of delivery is improving all the time as well - though I do think he's more of a "Ryan Giggs" than a "David Beckham" type.


Mike.

its evident fergie is builidng for the future man utd team,i.e. miller,ronaldo,spectar,bellion :D,fletcher,eagles,rooney,smit h etc this team may not win the title thise season but there will be more succesfull years to come im sure of it.Ronaldo will improve his final ball, not worse than gronjakers final pass ;)

Roll on next week vs bolton

[MikeyM]

its evident fergie is builidng for the future man utd team,i.e. miller,ronaldo,spectar,bellion :D,fletcher,eagles,rooney,smit h etc this team may not win the title thise season but there will be more succesfull years to come im sure of it.Ronaldo will improve his final ball, not worse than gronjakers final pass ;)

Roll on next week vs bolton


Yep Fergie's building again! It's Sept 11 when we play Bolton (I wouldn't forget a fixture on date like that :( ) Two week break for England's WC qualifiers.


Mike.

[Lost seraphim]

so in addition to chanting 'RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUD' everytime Ruud scores a goal do we have to chant 'ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO' everytime Rooney scores one? :D

[Singh]

hhaha nice 1

[Swish]

yep carry on ur cheap digs at rooney and rvn ;)

u and others wont be laughing when he rips your defence to bits :D :cool:

RVN rip defences to bits, you must be having a laff mate. The guy cant shoot if he is more than 6 foot from the goal.

Rooney on the other hand, can.

[Figо10]

Quite true van Nistelrooy is not experienced in shooting from anywhere else except in front of goal.

Long-range, aute-angled, turn-and-shoot goals are all seldom scored by him.

[skullverine]

rvn did score from a long range when he was a PSV player(as van nistelroij)

we have four 'R's now
Ryan Giggs
cristiano Ronaldo
Ruud van Nistelrooy
Wayne Rooney

looking foward to see Rooney makes his debut in september

[Figо10]

Hehe, 4 'R's :)

How about Real Madrid's

Roberto Carlos
Raul
Ronaldo

Anyway you think Rooney might score twice on his debut or something?

[skullverine]

i dont know.. if he starts in the 1st eleven for his debut, i bet he'll score a goal and make an assist

RVN will always be the first choice striker

Saha,Smith and Rooney will battle for the another position

they must accept the squad rotation
smith has accepted it

not sure about the other two(or three) strikers

[Figо10]

Actually van Nistelrooy should also accept squad rotation, why is he always first choice?

Anyway choices would be made much easier if one is injured.

They've sold Forlan and that's a good move cos he's not gonna get more than 10 games a season anymore.

Next season's selection would be worse with Solskjaer's return from injury.

[Lost seraphim]

because he has proven himself to Fergie, Rooney will eventually have to do the same when he's back in action, just like Ronaldo did

[Figо10]

So what if two of them prove their worths then the rest won't have a game?

[Lost seraphim]

the other 2 will be subed on or have time when the 1st choice two are being rested

[skullverine]

i dont think OGS will complaint of getting 1st team action next season.. he suits better as a super sub

[Kovacevic]

Actually, if RVN doesn´t get back to the form he had the first season, then i´l actually vote for a scoring Smith alongside Rooney. Because now we have a quite impressive line of strikers. Even Saha did a good sub against Blackburn..

[Figо10]

My idea is Smith alongside Saha because both are opposite footed and compliment each other greatly.

Otherwise RvN and Saha, and Smith playing a withdrawn role like Scholes.

[Lost seraphim]

well, the thing about Ruud is, he's always dangerous, he can appear to be having no influence on a game, but once the ball gets in the box, BAM there's a goal, can you really afford to not have him on the pitch when he's healthy?
I think the more active style strikers like Smith, Saha, and Rooney should just be rotated, because they can suffer from fatigue more noticably, I'd rather have Smith with Ruud, he has great energy and thus wins a lot of balls in dangerous positions, once he gets his chemistry with Ruud down he'll be able to feed Ruud very quickly after winning a ball around the box

[skullverine]

he's always dangerous but not in last season.. he was awful in the 2nd half of last season

[-=[101st]=-]

i dont know.. if he starts in the 1st eleven for his debut, i bet he'll score a goal and make an assist

RVN will always be the first choice striker

Saha,Smith and Rooney will battle for the another position

they must accept the squad rotation
smith has accepted it

not sure about the other two(or three) strikers

i that smith will end up in more of a scholesy role within a couple of years.. if not by the end of this year.. he seems be able to set them up as well as score them... and rooney and RVN, upfront.. that is a pretty damn good combo...

You would have to be pissed if you were Saha.. signed in january like you were their new messiah.. and then all of a sudden 8 months later.. you are 4th choice striker, in most people's from what i have interpreted from the media, in Sir Alex's prefered strike choice...

[skullverine]

Manchester United new boy Wayne Rooney has insisted he does not need the advice of his new team-mates on how to behave.
Rooney signed a £27million deal with the Old Trafford outfit yesterday to become Britain's costliest teenage footballer.


The 18-year-old knows his move will only serve to intensify the media spotlight on him but, despite recent unsavoury revelations about his private life, he is confident he will cope.

United boss Sir Alex Ferguson has already informed the England striker he must relocate from Merseyside even though the teenager currently lives only 30 miles from the Red Devils' Carrington training ground.

And the fiery Scot will also remind Rooney of the high standards he expects of his players.

Ferguson pointed to the examples of Roy Keane, Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes and the Neville brothers as those to follow, although Rooney is adamant he does not need a lecture about the standards expected of him.

'As a professional I know myself,' he said. 'No-one has to tell me how to behave on or off the pitch. I know myself, so there is not much more they can tell me.

'I know the spotlight is going to be on me a bit more because I have signed for the biggest club in the world.

'That will bring more pressure but I am big enough and strong enough to handle it.'

Rooney did however admit he may speak to Keane and Giggs about the pressures of becoming a United player.

After a relatively poor start to the campaign, which has seen them pick up only five points from their opening four matches, United are looking to Rooney to lift them from their current mid-table position, even though it might be the end of the month before he is fit enough to make his debut after picking up a foot injury on Euro 2004 duty with England this summer.

While the United fans have been largely joyous in their celebration of Rooney's arrival, the news has gone down less well on the blue half of Merseyside.

Already, the acrimony which accompanied Alan Smith's close-season departure from Leeds to Old Trafford has surfaced and Everton fans are fuming that a player they regarded as a hero and who has continually professed his long-time support for the club could leave them after just two years as a professional.

'It is tough for the Everton fans because they have seen me come through and regard me as one of their own,' said Rooney.

'But I wanted to move on for myself and my career.

'There are a lot of things that happened behind the scenes that no-one really knows about and that made it more difficult. I don't want to go over them now and I don't think it was a case of Everton not wanting me to play for them.

'I knew six weeks ago that I wanted to leave but the only way that would happen was if I put in a transfer request, so that is what I did.'

It was during his summer expedition in Portugal that Rooney was hardened to the prospect of leaving Goodison Park.

Already frustrated by dressing-room chatter over the next Champions League campaign, Rooney felt his outstanding performances in Sven-Goran Eriksson's side ended any lingering doubts over his ability to compete with the very best.

'After Euro 2004 I knew I could play with the top players and in the big tournaments,' he said.

'The Champions League is the biggest club tournament in the world and it was frustrating not being able to play in it.

'I still regard Everton as a massive club, I've played for them for two years and have supported them all my life. If Everton had been in the Champions League it would have been a different matter.

'But I wanted to further my career. It was time to move on and Manchester United is the right choice.'


www.soccernet.com

[Figо10]

Is he going to be a trouble maker like Hasselbaink?

[qwerty12]

Only if he carries on sleeping with hookers.

[qwerty12]

I think the lad will achieve great things for Man Utd over the coming seasons. Top goal scorer in next seasons Premiership a real possibility.

[Swish]

Only if Henry moved outside England.

[Figо10]

Definitely true.

If Henry doesn't assist his teammates too much he'll well be a 45-goal-a-season striker already.

[Lord Shrimpeh]

It's pointless saying stuff like Rooney will be the new Cantona and Rooney will be the top goalscorer next season, he is still VERY young. The best thing about this deal is we will have him for 6 years, in six years maybe he will have achieved those things but if he doesn't become top goalscorer next season I won't be fussed as long as he keeps improving and fufills his potential.

[budikovac]

=-']You would have to be pissed if you were Saha.. signed in january like you were their new messiah.. and then all of a sudden 8 months later.. you are 4th choice striker, in most people's from what i have interpreted from the media, in Sir Alex's prefered strike choice...
I think Saha is better then Smith and should be third choice after Nistelroy and Rooney!

[Swish]

You have to realise that Fergie has already said that he wont be rushing Rooney. And Rooney has to understand that he will have to wait. And that he is a player for the next 6 years, not tomorrow.

So saying he will be top scorer next season is rather stupid. He wont play as many games as they others would.

[7RONALDO7]

I think that Smith will be our Top Scorer this year as Saha, Ruud, Rooney haven't even Scored, or in Ruud's and Rooney's case, havn't even played this season for United!!

[Singh]

rooney wiill score more goals than smith when he starts playing

[Kovacevic]

I´m actually quite impressed by Smith´s playing this season. He´s the kind of player that give 130 % in every duel, and he wins most of them. I´m really looking forward to seeing him omn top with RVN. He´s got 4 goals in 6 matches so far. And i bet that with a more capable striker like RVN at his side there will be many more.

PS: Norway will kick Italys ass on Saturday ;)... Hehe... Lets hope those diving Italians are having a bad day at work(as they have had lately).

[-=[101st]=-]

I think Saha is better then Smith and should be third choice after Nistelroy and Rooney!

Smith has scored 5 goals in 6 games.. anyway you lookat that you cannot turn your back on that..

And fergie has said that if newcastle did not bid on Rooney he would not have.. so it sounds to me that eventually Smith will slid back into midfield and Rooney partner Ruud, or he is not there.. someone partner him as the number 1 striker.. This is because of Smith's ability to hassle in midfield, should give united some quality counter-attack possession..

And.. Saha has failed in impressing me.. he came to united as almost godlike.. and has been pretty average... for £12milionish... and smith on the other hand has played like United paid £20mill for him.. like he has a debt to them.. he plays with such passion and intensity.. and i love players who play like that because i feel that ideally every single person who plays sport should play like that.. if you don't go out there and play your hardest you should not be there.. for me, smith is worth 3 times his price tag.. and i would rather pay £24mill for Him than "Did a shit Drogba"

[Jonny2J]

I think that Smith will be our Top Scorer this year as Saha, Ruud, Rooney haven't even Scored, or in Ruud's and Rooney's case, havn't even played this season for United!!get a reality check if u think anyone of them will come close to Ruud

[-=[101st]=-]

thats true.. when Smith, Saha, Rooney and Ruud are all fit.. Ruud will get more starts and be the go to man at the moment it is Smith.. and he is doing a great job.. but there is no better box player than Ruud so when u have that why look elsewhere??

[Jonny2J]

=-']thats true.. when Smith, Saha, Rooney and Ruud are all fit.. Ruud will get more starts and be the go to man at the moment it is Smith.. and he is doing a great job.. but there is no better box player than Ruud so when u have that why look elsewhere??exactly my point, anytime would love to have Ruud in your team, but he does alot of shit he doesnt get recognition for too.. hes quite pacey actually and he does work very hard, but ppl give him stick for just scorin in the box.... so fuck thats what hes good at so do it, he may be having a shit game then bham!! goal!! i mean Gerd Muller... best out and out goal scorer of all time, did he score any outside of the box?? if so very little :D

[skullverine]

i think RVN will be our topscorer this season.. 2nd top goalscorer will be Smith

btw, any of you know what happened to redcafe.net?

[gerard1922]

Who Will Man U Sell In January Or At The End Of The Season?

[Lost seraphim]

stupid Scolari is making C. Ronaldo play with Portugal even though he has a groin problem, United should pull him away and rest him immediately

[Singh]

Scolari is a total prat

[Smith14]

i think RVN will be our topscorer this season.. 2nd top goalscorer will be Smith

I agree. Though doesn't the idea of Saha, RVN, Rooney and Smith all battling for positions up front, and upping their games to do so make anyone think that this is definitley our year for the title or the Champs League? The league situatiom isn't as bad as everyone thinks, it's only 1 loss and Arsenal are bound to draw hella loads like they did last year.

[Figо10]

But now Arsenal and Chelsea are in the best shape Manchester Utd till look a little fragile.

By the way catching up Arsenal by 7 pts, I think MU will have to wait till December or somthing. Right now Arsenal's goals are coming in like free, they will seldom draw, not to say lose. Plus MU will drop pts also.

BTW hope Ferguson doesn't say something like "We'll improve in the second half of the season." Didn't work out last time.

[winning886]

I agree. Though doesn't the idea of Saha, RVN, Rooney and Smith all battling for positions up front, and upping their games to do so make anyone think that this is definitley our year for the title or the Champs League? The league situatiom isn't as bad as everyone thinks, it's only 1 loss and Arsenal are bound to draw hella loads like they did last year.

RVN started the season late which i think would affects his scoring and also he also needs time to recover from the operation. Smith is going to have a position fight with Rooney, RVN and Saha.

[Gary G]

it's only 1 loss and Arsenal are bound to draw hella loads like they did last year.

You may have only lost once but Arsenal and Chelsea are 7 points ahead, that's quite a big gap after just 4 games.

[Smith14]

You may have only lost once but Arsenal and Chelsea are 7 points ahead, that's quite a big gap after just 4 games.

Yes but as you said "just 4 games" as the season runs on, Chelsea are bound to slip up, they aren't looking very exciting at all. Arsenal are scoring like there is no tomorrow, but as the mid-way point draws near, I reckon the gap will tighten. It would be stupid not to expect United to draw games at any point in the season, or course they are going to draw, everyone draws, even the "mighty" Arsenal draw. Once United get their defence back, get RVN back, get Keane back and start Giggs :rolleyes: I can't see them still being 7 points behind.

[7RONALDO7]

All you United fans just think, how would you feel if your rival team had RVN, KEANE, GIGGS, SCHOLES, RONALDO, ROONEY, FERDINAND, SMITH, SAHA, SILVESTRE etc

I know if another team had them players in there team i would be gutted!!!

[skullverine]

it depends.. if they're a legend and has served enough for the club.............
i will not boo the player or call them 'Judas'

[ruud_v_n10]

all the united fans know that its not working out at the moment. but let all the injured players return esp.ruud, we will only get better :)

[Figо10]

Will Heinze make United better by a significant amount?

I've never seen him play except for Argentina.

[Smith14]

Tighten up the defense and give John O'Shea a needed break, so I say yes.

[Figо10]

Where so you think is Jonh O'Shea's best position?

[Singh]

NEWS

rooney could make his debut against liverpool wicked

[tomdaman2]

yeah hopefully he scores against the scoucers also i think ferdinand will be back so we will have the strongest that we have not had for ages. o'shea best position was left back but he aint gud enough there so probably centre back

[Figо10]

He's not bad at centre-back, tall.

Against Liverpool probably Man Utd might use the first 10 minutes getting together, I'm sure there'll be new guys Ferdinand, Heinze, Rooney, maybe van Nistelrooy so they'll need some mixing before staring the game real.

Would be amazing for Rooney to score against Liverpool, especially if it's 2 or above :D

[Lord Shrimpeh]

I think he will be keyed up for that match, I mean not only is (was? :p) he an Everton fan so would hate Liverpool but also and Man Utd player who hate Liverpool...

[Singh]

so either way he will hate liverpool!

sounds good

[skullverine]

i think our season will 'start' during the liverpool game

[Figо10]

Possibly Man Utd will be geared up after a win over them, now they're in pretty low spirits following draws and defeats as if they don't matter.

[Smith14]

Where so you think is Jonh O'Shea's best position?

Left Back. He just seems tired or lacking in something right now, he needs to get his game together and should fight for his place against Heinze.

[Singh]

great to c ronaldo playing well

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/report?id=152284&cc=5739

loll read last bit

[Figо10]

But that was against Latvia, doesn't count much does it?

Still good to see him scoring, looks like a regular scorer for Portugal now.

[skullverine]

did he feel his injury?

[Figо10]

He didn't look injured.

Was he having an injury?

[MikeyM]

Yes, Manchester United were extremely concerned as Ronaldo had been complaining of a groin strain since the Olympic games - United felt the situation had worsened in the Everton game which is why Ronaldo came off before the end. Carlos Quieroz actually met Portugal's representitives in order to request on United's behalf that Ronaldo not be used in the upcoming qualifiers (though obviously that was ignored) the feeling from Sir Alex is that Ronaldo is okay at the moment but further play (instead of a week or two rest) will aggravate the strain into a tear requiring surgery - putting Ronaldo on the shelf for 6-8 weeks :eek: I expect Sir Alex to reluctantly rest Ronaldo for at least the Bolton game on the 11th. I imagine he will be required against Liverpool, unless Rooney is drafted in at Right midfield (a position he sometimes occupied for Everton) though It'd be unlikely that Sir Alex would risk not having Ronaldo on the wing for the visit of the arch enemies!


Mike.

[Figо10]

The problem of using club players for international games without the consent of the club manager must be solved. Aggravating his injury would be serious.

Although if you ask Ronaldo, he's sure to choose to play for Portugal.

He chose representing Portugal in the Olympics over playing for Manchester United who already had so many players unavailable. The complete opposite from Tiago, who wanted to play for his club.

[MikeyM]

Good news from MUTV: Roy Keane has recovered full fitness and barring any further injury with Ireland this week, will be fit for the Bolton match! John O'Shea however, has suffered a slight thigh muscle tear and will miss the Ireland game - there is no timescale regarding his return for United as yet.

Ronaldo was said to be in excellent health for Portugal, so maybe our and United's fears are ungrounded (touch wood).


Mike.

[Smith14]

More good news, Droghba got injured during the internationals and could possibly miss the next game and Wenger is considering giving some young gunners a chance, that should be a larf.

[Scarface]

More good news, Droghba got injured during the internationals and could possibly miss the next game and Wenger is considering giving some young gunners a chance, that should be a larf.

i agree! going by the recent young gunners that have made it into the Arsenal team it should be a great laugh 4 us gooners as we continue our unbeaten run while restin sum of our top stars.

[Smith14]

i agree! going by the recent young gunners that have made it into the Arsenal team it should be a great laugh 4 us gooners as we continue our unbeaten run while restin sum of our top stars.

Yes! Ryan Smith has been great recently!

[MikeyM]

i agree! going by the recent young gunners that have made it into the Arsenal team it should be a great laugh 4 us gooners as we continue our unbeaten run while restin sum of our top stars.


And to think they used to call US arrogant :p Now while Arsenal are in brilliant form at the moment (and United are ravaged by injuries) things are looking good for you lot - but I don't think you are as great as you seem to think you are. Certainly not to be able to walk the League without your best players (Henry for example). Arsenal will lose, it's unavoidable. Yes I've been impressed with your youngsters. But football teams lose games - luck plays a part, injuries and complacency too. Do you honestly believe that none of the teams in the league are capable of winning against any given team?

Do you for example feel certain that Man Utd, on top form and at full strength are not capable of defeating Arsenal? I refer you to the games last season - two draws (a missed penalty preserving your record) and an F.A. Cup victory for United. lets try and compare our teams shall I?

Man Utd full strength squad - best XI - Arsenal

Tim Howard.......................G K..........Jens Lehmann........
John O'Shea.......................L B.........Ashley Cole ...........
Rio Ferdinand..................... .CB.........Kolo Toure.............
Mickael Silvestre..................CB. ........Sol Campbell..........
Gary Neville ........................RB ........Lauren................ .
Ryan Giggs .........................LW... .....Robert Pires ..........
Paul Scholes .......................AM..... ...Edu......................
Roy Keane ..........................DM.. ......Patrick Vieira.........
Cristiano Ronaldo...................RW.. .....Gilberto ...............
Wayne Rooney .....................CF....... .Jose Reyes ..........
Ruud van Nistelrooy ...............CF .......Thierry Henry .......


Substitutes;

Alan Smith .............................. ........Dennis Bergkamp
Louis Saha .............................. ........Robin van Persie
Gabriel Heinze .............................. ....Gael Clichy
Phillip Neville .............................. ......Cesc Fabrigas
Wes Brown .............................. ........Pascal Cygan
Kleberson .............................. ........Mattheu Flamini
Eric Djemba Djemba........................ ....Phillipe Senderos
David Bellion .............................. .......Jeremie Aliadiere
Kieran Richardson .............................. Jermaine Pennant.


Pretty evenly matched I think - guess we'll find out October 24th won't we :)


Mike.

[Singh]

MikeyM nice going man

The Substitutes are even similar! although man utd have edged it

24th october!! Cant wait for it!

[7RONALDO7]

Only one think wrong mikey, i dont think that Henize will be on the bench, O'shea will be!

[MikeyM]

Cheers, I'm sick of all this "Invincible" and "immortal" crap surrounding Arsenal especially from our beloved southern press! Man Utd won all three major trophies in a single season in 1999 - they didn't call them "Immortal!" I really hope United stuff the Gunners! BTW did you see the Premier Classic on MUTV last night, it was United v Newcastle from 99 (5-1 cole got 4) man I wish we could recapture that type of play again, United were awesome that day.


Sorry, Ronaldo - your reply arrived while I was writing this - I dunno if JOS will be on the bench to start with, Sir Alex may have to rest Heinze after all his Argentinian exploits.


Mike.

[7RONALDO7]

When United have ALL there first team players, we have the capablity of beating any team in Europe!!!

[MikeyM]

When United have ALL there first team players, we have the capablity of beating any team in Europe!!!


Yep, that's exactly how I feel - I can't wait for the first choice XI to be in action again!

And I'm deffo getting up to the "Theatre of dreams" ASAP! I don't care if I gotta pay over the odds to some ticket agency to do it either!


Mike.

[Singh]

not being funny but man utd have to start showing how good they really are and start performing and showing the rest whos the boss

[MikeyM]

not being funny but man utd have to start showing how good they really are and start performing and showing the rest whos the boss


It's more than time for United to show their capabilities again - a start like this is just unnaceptable, no matter what team United field.


Mike.

[7RONALDO7]

Yeh, all United fans know this but it's just ferguson, he doesn't know, he thinks we will chatch up, its very un-likely that Arsenal will lose alot of games this season!

Teams need to ATTACK Arsenal, like they do United, the saying is SO true, YOU HAVE ONLY COME TO SEE UNITED!!!

[Singh]

yea true even though arsenal are the champs-teams seem to put that extra 20% against manchester united

[7RONALDO7]

Yeh, no matter how good Arsenal do, all clubs look at the fixture list and the first thing they do is look to see when they are playing United!

[qwerty12]

On the subject of Ars-anal, Real Madrid now have more English First-team players than the Bummers. Sorry, Gunners. Woodgate, Owen and Beckham in comparison to Arsenal's Campbell and A. Cole. ENGLISH Premiership Champions. Indeed.

[Jonny2J]

Yeh, no matter how good Arsenal do, all clubs look at the fixture list and the first thing they do is look to see when they are playing United!nah we dnt like, its the mackems for me.... oooo no they aint in the prem!

[Scarface]

And to think they used to call US arrogant :p Now while Arsenal are in brilliant form at the moment (and United are ravaged by injuries) things are looking good for you lot - but I don't think you are as great as you seem to think you are. Certainly not to be able to walk the League without your best players (Henry for example). Arsenal will lose, it's unavoidable. Yes I've been impressed with your youngsters. But football teams lose games - luck plays a part, injuries and complacency too. Do you honestly believe that none of the teams in the league are capable of winning against any given team?

Do you for example feel certain that Man Utd, on top form and at full strength are not capable of defeating Arsenal? I refer you to the games last season - two draws (a missed penalty preserving your record) and an F.A. Cup victory for United. lets try and compare our teams shall I?

Man Utd full strength squad - best XI - Arsenal

Tim Howard.......................G K..........Jens Lehmann........
John O'Shea.......................L B.........Ashley Cole ...........
Rio Ferdinand..................... .CB.........Kolo Toure.............
Mickael Silvestre..................CB. ........Sol Campbell..........
Gary Neville ........................RB ........Lauren................ .
Ryan Giggs .........................LW... .....Robert Pires ..........
Paul Scholes .......................AM..... ...Edu......................
Roy Keane ..........................DM.. ......Patrick Vieira.........
Cristiano Ronaldo...................RW.. .....Gilberto ...............
Wayne Rooney .....................CF....... .Jose Reyes ..........
Ruud van Nistelrooy ...............CF .......Thierry Henry .......


Substitutes;

Alan Smith .............................. ........Dennis Bergkamp
Louis Saha .............................. ........Robin van Persie
Gabriel Heinze .............................. ....Gael Clichy
Phillip Neville .............................. ......Cesc Fabrigas
Wes Brown .............................. ........Pascal Cygan
Kleberson .............................. ........Mattheu Flamini
Eric Djemba Djemba........................ ....Phillipe Senderos
David Bellion .............................. .......Jeremie Aliadiere
Kieran Richardson .............................. Jermaine Pennant.


Pretty evenly matched I think - guess we'll find out October 24th won't we :)


Mike.

Firstly, that is not our 1st team as Edu,Vieira and Gilberto do not all start in Arsenals strongest midfield,we have Ljungberg on the right wing not Gilberto Silva! and Ljungberg hasnt even been included in our squad in that list! b4 u took all that effort with that post u shud have studied in a bit more detial wot i was replyin 2, it was a post slagging off our youngsters, by saying wenger is considering playing some of his young gunners, that should be a larf,(altho we already r :rolleyes: !) and considering the recent success of our youngsters i felt the need 2 correct this as the only laugh would be 4 Arsenal as the youngsters coming in 2 the team at the moment just settle straight in like theyve been their 4 years! i was not being arrogant in the slighest,i was just replying with sarcasm 2 a ridiculous remark made. i know we will lose, no team is invincible, and ive never stated no1 can beat us, so that also was a pointless statement.
as far as ur remark about last year, yes we had 2 draws, the 1 at OT was a fair result and the 1 at Highbury Man u got lucky managing 2 take a point, the game in the FA Cup however meant a gr8 deal more 2 Man U as it was the only trophy u cud win whereas Arsenal were gunning 4 the title and trying 2 stay undefeated, AND we had a massive CL match a few days l8a against chelsea, so we rested key players like Thierry Henry. u got the win,so fair play 2 u, but u needed that win, u needed it far more than us!
as far as the squads r concerned Arsenal have also been without key players this season, in particular Patrick Vieira,Edu and Sol Campbell but they have hardly been missed which shows how impressive our squad is, and if man u fans can take their red tinted glasses off they would admit Arsenals squad is superior, but i hardly can c that happenin!
we will c on oct 24th who wins, but id like 2 think of Arsenal as consistently brilliant not just good in one-off matches.

[Gary G]

nah we dnt like, its the mackems for me.... oooo no they aint in the prem!

Indeed, the derby's are the only thing I miss about the mackems being in the Premiership, Boro just isn't a derby.

[Smith14]

it was a post slagging off our youngsters, by saying wenger is considering playing some of his young gunners, that should be a larf,(altho we already r :rolleyes: !) and considering the recent success of our youngsters i felt the need 2 correct this as the only laugh would be 4 Arsenal as the youngsters coming in 2 the team at the moment just settle straight in like theyve been their 4 years! i was not being arrogant in the slighest,i was just replying with sarcasm 2 a ridiculous remark made.

Jeez, what youngsters!?! Is what I'm trying to say! All 2 of them, Fabergas and van Purse? Holy shit, thats a young army of players! Point is, Wenger could never field a squad of youngsters, he'll want to grip on to Henry, Pires, Viera etc for as long as he can. At least Fergie gives more than 2 or 3 youngsters a chance each game.

Plus, does anyone else think it's weird that the masses of new Arsenal fans cropping up in England don't realise that Arsenal have a maximum of 2 English players in the first team! In fact they don't even have any more from the British Isles!

[Scarface]

Jeez, what youngsters!?! Is what I'm trying to say! All 2 of them, Fabergas and van Purse? Holy shit, thats a young army of players! Point is, Wenger could never field a squad of youngsters, he'll want to grip on to Henry, Pires, Viera etc for as long as he can. At least Fergie gives more than 2 or 3 youngsters a chance each game.

no, i wouldnt even count van Persie as he hasnt played in the Prem at all yet, i mean more like Justin Hoyte,Gael Clichy,Francesc Fabregas and Jose Antonio Reyes,which adds up 2 4 if my maths r still up 2 scratch. Of course Wenger will want 2 keep playin Vieira, Henry,Pires,Campbell etc 2 get every last bit of potential out of them, but wot manager doesnt do that? :rolleyes: i dont c Ferguson going o well Giggs,Scholes,Keane,G.Neville, P.Neville etc have been around a lot lets play our youngsters this season instead. wot 2 or 3 youngsters does Fergie give a chance each game? he might bring on the likes of Eagles,Spector and Richardson while their r holes in your squad through injuries but that wont b the case once the likes of Ferdinand and Van Nistelrooy r bk im sure,and thats just the case 4 us if not more so with the chances Clichy,Hoyte,Fabregas.Pennant and Aliadiere r being given. the fact is i was replying 2 a remark which said it should b a laugh seeing Wenger give his youngsters a chance, and the only team that could possibly b laugihng at the moment is Arsenal, as we have been givin these youngsters games and we r still not losin, and if ManUre fans can try and c wot im sayin b4 arrogance is mentioned as i am not being arrogant at all,just pointing out facts! we might not b the greatest team in the world, we will lose a game soon enough and we know we arent invincible but 2 state givin our youngsters a chance would b a laugh is naive as we already have been doing, with great success so far. wot wenger probably meant was he is ready 4 another high quality group of youngsters 2 b readied 4 the big time, such as Senderos,Van Persie,Bentley,Birchall,Lupoli and Frankie Simek.

[Smith14]

Man, I'm not saying you are arrogant, calm down. Let's see, 2 or 3 United youngsters: Ronaldo, Fletcher, Miller. Rooney should start a few, possibly. Arsehole hardly start their youngsters, maybe one of the few you listed have 1 game under their belt, wow, that really made them win. Point is, the youngsters for Arsehole so far have made little or no impact.

Plus I'm still standing by the fact that Arsehole are hardly a British side, in fact they are more French than English.

[Jonny2J]

Plus I'm still standing by the fact that Arsehole are hardly a British side, in fact they are more French than English.im sure he doesnt care, all hes bothered about is that ther winning... i wouldnt care if my team was all chinese if we were winning

[Scarface]

Man, I'm not saying you are arrogant, calm down. Let's see, 2 or 3 United youngsters: Ronaldo, Fletcher, Miller. Rooney should start a few, possibly. Arsehole hardly start their youngsters, maybe one of the few you listed have 1 game under their belt, wow, that really made them win. Point is, the youngsters for Arsehole so far have made little or no impact.

Plus I'm still standing by the fact that Arsehole are hardly a British side, in fact they are more French than English.

yeh i no u werent calling me arrogant, i wasnt aiming everything at u there.I d say Fabregas,Clichy and Reyes have made quite an impact so far and i dont disagree on the issue we have only 2 or 3 english players in the team most weeks but Wenger is trying to change that by givin DB jnr a chance 2 show his quality at Norwich this year and givin Hoyte and Pennant some games, and when Taylor finally returns to full fitness after being injured he will get another chance i think. Personally tho i couldnt care less whether our team has English,French,Irish,Brazilian ,Swedish or Papau New Guinea players aslong as they r exciting to watch and keep on winning. Of course in an ideal world Arsenal could have 11 fantastic English players in their team week in week out and still be winning, but with the state of English football at the moment its not possible. The England players that r good enough 2 get in this team;Gerrard,Terry and Rooney would be extremely expensive and r not very necessary 4 Arsenal anyway. Instead Wenger is trying to give some young English youngsters a chance to break through, in particular Pennant,Hoyte and Bentley, but its very hard when we already have players like Ljungberg,Lauren and Bergkamp already in their position.

[Singh]

Finally Gabriel Heinze arrived at Manchester United's training ground on Tuesday - three months after he signed for the Reds from Paris Saint Germain.

http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps iNewsid=102528&itype=466&icategoryid=120

[Singh]

soori wrong url

http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=102528&itype=466&icategoryid=120

[Harry-Kewell]

Heinze has picked up almost £500,000 in wages from Man Utd and he's just joined up with them today. :cool:

[MikeyM]

Reyes, I apologise for taking your initial comment as arrogant, after I re-read your following posts and actually understood the point you were making (and BTW it was a friendly rib anyway - hence the smiley) :D


Both sides have good youngsters coming through - I don't see David Bentley returning to Arsenal longterm though, I think they may do what United did with Jonathan Greening and Mark Wilson and sell him after his loan period.

United are blessed with a great first team squad, and an excellent crop of youngsters (including first team stars Rooney 18, Ronaldo 19, Miller 22, Smith 24, Fletcher 22, Bellion 21, Saha 25, Brown 26, Ferdinand 26, Howard 24 (I think) )

In addition we have the likes of Spector, Eagles, Mark Howard, Kieran Richardson, David Jones, Eddie Johnson, Floribert N'Galula, Guiseppe Rossi and Gerard Pique as well (all under 19)

Floribert N'galula is a possible candidate as the next Roy Keane type player (Though physically he resembles Patrick Vieira as his size and movement)

Mike.

[7RONALDO7]

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Copy and paste it in your address bar!

[Singh]

whos that ugly geeza! glad to see him finally at man united Hopefully he and rio will form a formidable partnership!!

[Smith14]

I just hope he hasn't much of an ego, he fell out with his last manager and he's already openly said the board aren't happy with him playing at the olympics. I hope Fergie whips him into shape and he becomes a vital player for the side.

[Lost seraphim]

Saha had to leave the France game due to injury and now Gary Neville! someone up there doesn't love Man Utd! :(

[7RONALDO7]

I thought Neville will get injured before the game!!
And then I hoped that keane wouldn't get injured aswell!

[skullverine]

i'm back!!!
my possible 1st eleven for bolton match

......howard..........
p.neville....Heinze...Silvestr e...Spector
CR.....Fletch....kleb....giggs
..........scholes.........
...................smith.....

[Lost seraphim]

nah, Roy Keane will once again drop back to centre back, Heinze will be a left back
Ruud is apparently ready to go, but Fergie will leave him on the bench for now
maybe they should scan Ronaldo again, see if he still has problems with his groin, last thing we need is to have him injured

[MikeyM]

It's reassuring that Van the Man is on the way back!


Mike.

[-=[101st]=-]

i heard he will be making the bench for the bolton game...

[winning886]

Player injurys is all over the place for manutd. Let's just hope Rio Ferdinand to come back earlier lol cuz the sound of Roy Keane and Silvestre with the centre back isn't good enough.

[skullverine]

dammit!! please god~~ let ManUtd win against l'pool

[Singh]

2-2 v bolton noooo man utd done well not to lose the game!!

[Lost seraphim]

I can't believe how sloppy Man Utd were in the 2nd half, I was in sheer disgust

[MikeyM]

What really annoys me is that United can batter teams for the majority of a match even taking the lead - but they can't finish em off like they are capable of doing. The defence for Bolton's second was an absolute joke! And why do all of Ronaldo's shots hit the damn crossbar - talk about unlucky! I really hope United get their act together for the Champions League - as at the rate they're going in the Premiership, they can kiss the title goodbye.

Maybe Fergie will put Roy Carroll in goal for the next one, Tim just seems to be unable to command the box at the moment. Mickael Silvestre seems also to be in another world sometimes too.

Mike.

[Lord Shrimpeh]

Yeah, Silvestre, Brown and O'shea have alll suddonly turned out to be the shitest defenders in the world. I say get Rio back, put Heinze in and get in another good CB.

[Figо10]

I don't think Fergie needs any more CBs, they've already got a few at several positions:

Left-back: Heinze, O'Shea, Silvestre, P.Neville, Fortune

Centre-back: O'Shea, Ferdinand, Silvestre, Brown, Keane

Right-back: G.Neville, O'Shea, Brown, P.Neville

Really I don't think there is a need for another, although if Fergie's gonna get one I would recommend an established centre-back, all those youngsters he's been using recently haven't been working out well.

[skullverine]

i hope carroll will play against liverpool!! t-ho sucks if he doesn't has good defenders covering in front of him! fergie should play heinze in CB with Rio

[Jonny2J]

Yeah, Silvestre, Brown and O'shea have alll suddonly turned out to be the shitest defenders in the world. I say get Rio back, put Heinze in and get in another good CB.Brown has been injured man, same as last season he was brought back too early, but coz he had too, so it takes time for match sharpness... same with Ruud yesterday looked well shit due to lack of match sharpness, so analyse before u hate

[7RONALDO7]

I knew that Henize was going to score yesterday, I said on Friday that he would SCORE!!!

People are saying that if United had all there FIRST team players in, we would have been top, well, Yesterday, It was only Ferdinand who wasn't in,everyone else were first team players!!!!

[Figо10]

Quite true but they didn't have first choice substitutes like Brown, Saha...

Ferdinand coming back must be good news, I'm sure he'd have improved his game drastically, and show his worth.

If he's fit he's sure to be in the starting 11.

[skullverine]

but SAF said he might not use ferdinand imediately.. i think he'll come as a sub during the 2nd half to replace brown or silvestre

[Figо10]

Not sure but in his first year he was only used as a sub once so maybe it wouldn't happen this time.

BTW what's taking Rio so long to score, co'mon it's already one and a half seasons.

Look at Heinze man, goal on his debut :D

[Lost seraphim]

And why do all of Ronaldo's shots hit the damn crossbar - talk about unlucky! well, it was going in but the Bolton keeper got his hand to it, no worries though, Ronaldo has really worked on this shooting which is good to see

[Figо10]

Yeah, has he scored like 4 goals for Portugal in just a few games?

[Kovacevic]

God damn. I´m gettin´ tired of these results. Didn´t see the game, but it seems that
were not even going to reach top three this season. It´s fuckd that I´m saying this, but I´m forced to be realistic. The tides must turn, or else this season is going to be miserable

[Figо10]

That's for sure if Manchester United become a mid-table team after this season it would then be very difficult to catch up back on.

Liverpool are making steady progress but Manchester United must improve to avoid meeting the same fate Liverpool had in recent seasons.

Right now Arsenal and Chelsea are still on fire and there are improving teams like Tottenham, Bolton, Liverpool and Middlesborough so United better get their act together or suffer getting thrown outta Europe, which is untakeable for a t eam of their standards.

[skullverine]

maybe winning days have gone... i.e the end of an era is going to happen

[Figо10]

Really hope not.

Ferguson has put in a lot of sweat and blood to build the Manchester United squad which is existing today, 15 years of work, wouldn't just go down the drain because of 6 poorly-played games?

[Lost seraphim]

no, the foundation is set with Rooney, Ronaldo, Spector, Eagles, Rossi, Pique, etc.

[Singh]

maybe winning days have gone... i.e the end of an era is going to happen

i doubt it although u never know but wen man utd players get back form injuries and all players are fit then we will see...its too early to start worrying.. :rolleyes:

[7RONALDO7]

I never think that United will be a mid-table team, They have the quality to win titles, but as everyone is injured or getting use to the team, we will have to put up with players like Bellion every week!!!

[Singh]

we will have to put up with players like Bellion every week!!!

as long as he keeps scoring i dont care!

[7RONALDO7]

Yeh, LOL, i just forgot about that when I typed it, well people like Kleberson!!!!

[Singh]

lol yea thats more like it wat a load of rubbish he is!

[MikeyM]

That's for sure if Manchester United become a mid-table team after this season it would then be very difficult to catch up back on.

Liverpool are making steady progress but Manchester United must improve to avoid meeting the same fate Liverpool had in recent seasons.

Right now Arsenal and Chelsea are still on fire and there are improving teams like Tottenham, Bolton, Liverpool and Middlesborough so United better get their act together or suffer getting thrown outta Europe, which is untakeable for a t eam of their standards.


The primary reason Liverpool entered their decline was that their entire team grew old together (i.e no younger players integrated) Sir Alex Ferguson is already building for the next ten or so years, maybe we're losing ground in the short-term, but I believe we'll bounce back in the future.



Mike.

[-=[101st]=-]

you all have to remember that at the moment united are building for the future.. this yea rmay not be successful.. but next year.. with the likes of ronaldo, rooney, heinze and others all being able to establish themselves.. and improve more.. they will be a force yet again.. give them a couple of years to blood the young players...

[Figо10]

I don't reckon it would take that long.

Liverpool are also building for the future, so are these two out of the title race already?

[Singh]

nevilles out i see :eek: !! Man utd should have rooney back vs liverpool... :D

any1 hear abt keane insutling a 16 year old!! :eek:

[7RONALDO7]

Yes, I heard about it a week ago, but it was there fault as they were City fans anoying Keane, i would do the same if some random kids were shouting abuse at me, while playing Golf!!!

you all have to remember that at the moment united are building for the future.. this yea rmay not be successful.. but next year.. with the likes of ronaldo, rooney, heinze and others all being able to establish themselves.. and improve more.. they will be a force yet again.. give them a couple of years to blood the young players...

and Rossi, Pique, I cant wait till they play in the first team, they are allready great!!

[ashmufc]

any1 hear abt keane insutling a 16 year old!!

Nope tell me more.

[Lord Shrimpeh]

Its currently 2-0 to Lyon :( The sides convidence must be so low at the moment. They need something to shake em up. Wayne Rooney might do the trick. He'll have to.

[gollan]

Sooooooooooooo lucky you have RVN....so lucky.
I remember the day he transferred to you from PSV, me and my mate were like:
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOO"

He is the best positioned striker ever.
damnit

[Kovacevic]

Finally someone that sees other qualities in a Striker than just having pace. He is not lightning fast, but he still manages to hammer in goals. Allways at the right place at the right time.

[Figо10]

I can see him coming back to form in the Champions League with 2 comeback goals (from 2-0 down and from injury)

And surely a man who has scored 12 goals in 8 games in 2002/03 for Manchester United can't fail to score more than 5 this season.

Better get Ronney back and score more goals.

[skullverine]

LOL.. i watched the match.. do you remember when rvn made a foul after the result was 2-1? rvn accidentally kicked a lyon player's d**k

[Figо10]

What the heck did he think he was doing???

:confused:

[DARK JAK]

i've got to admit this but man u are absolutely shocking and if they carry on like this they won't be winning anything

[Figо10]

Did they play very badly?

They were away at Lyon and coming back from two goals down with two strikes from van Nistelrooy shows something, and I bet they won't lose their excellent Champions League home from they preserved over the years.

In their first group stage they always get 15 or 16 pts, at lowest 13.

[Singh]

ruudddd van nistelrooy!! is back!! 2 great goals especially the header....the defence was poor, heinze played well though!

[7RONALDO7]

I thought we played well Second Half, but first i felt like crying LOL!

[Figо10]

Hehe sometimes can't really help when your team's losing, does it feel so sad to be playing that way???


Good to hear some players have performed up to standard, Ferguson pointed out Heinze, Ronaldo and van Nistlerooy as the three better players that game.

[Singh]

lol it could be worse i suppose...man utd could of been 3-0 beaten by bayern leverkusen!! :D

[MikeyM]

I thought we played well Second Half, but first i felt like crying LOL!

You weren't the only one!! Talk about a game of two halves - Ruud saved us from a mauling, though mid second half United did play some good stuff. As for T-Ho I have no idea why he's playing so badly at the moment, but surely Roy Carroll has to be given a run now. Very impressed with Heinze (apart from him going missing for the second goal) and Rio will be back Monday (Rooney maybe on bench - he looks in good shape in training)

This simply has to be the point in which United finally get their act together - there can be no more excuses.

Also Congratulations to Ruud on becoming our alltime top European goalscorer! 30 and counting ....



Mike.

[Figо10]

30 already in just around the same number of games, that's an amazing record.

He never looked like he's not gonna catch up with that rather low record.

Just another 2 or 3 seasons and he'll overtake Raul as CL all-time top scorer, who has got 46 currently and is on poor form, assuming he gets 8-10 goals a season.

C'mon Ruud :)

[MikeyM]

So, how does everyone see the Liverpool game at Old Trafford going?

I think Rio will start alongside Silvestre, with Heinze and P Neville full backs, midfield will be no surprise with Keano and Scholesy in the centre and Ronnie and Ryan running the wings - Up front I predict Ruud will be joined by Alan Smith (Rooney will be on bench - hopefully)

A strong team in theory, lets hope the silly mistakes are out of the way after Lyon!


Mike.

[Lost seraphim]

So, how does everyone see the Liverpool game at Old Trafford going?

I think Rio will start alongside Silvestre, with Heinze and P Neville full backs, midfield will be no surprise with Keano and Scholesy in the centre and Ronnie and Ryan running the wings - Up front I predict Ruud will be joined by Alan Smith (Rooney will be on bench - hopefully)

A strong team in theory, lets hope the silly mistakes are out of the way after Lyon!


Mike. yeah, that's what I think too, with United's defensive problems, I don't know how Fergie can afford not to start Ferdinand

[7RONALDO7]

I wouldn't put Silvestre in Centre back as he is the one letting us down at the moment, i would put Heinze there and Silvestre at Left back!

[MikeyM]

Maybe putting Mickael back in partnership with Rio will help - I got the feeling that most of Silvestre's mistakes seemed to be caused by panic. Maybe he'll be more relaxed and sure of himself next to Rio. Heinze is doing fine at left back so I'd leave him there. As for right back, the closest we have to Gary Neville is obviously his brother! Oh, and I forgot to say that I think Fergie will keep faith with T-Ho, at least in the next match.

And hopefully Ruud will continue where he left off in Lyon - and Alan Smith is bang in form too.


Mike.

[Lord Shrimpeh]

2-1, the wrong defender scored both goals :P but still, good win. Finally a good perfomance, particulary first half. But why we didn't buy Alonso I don't know.

[Lost seraphim]

2-1, the wrong defender scored both goals :P but still, good win. Finally a good perfomance, particulary first half. But why we didn't buy Alonso I don't know.
cause we saved the money to buy Rooney :D

[Lord Shrimpeh]

cause we saved the money to buy Rooney :D

We're the richest club in the world we should have bought both :p though I guess settling for Rooney ain't so bad.

[Lost seraphim]

We're the richest club in the world ahem. Chelsea :p plus United have to earn their money, so it takes a while. I'm sure another starlet will come around soon to replace Keane

[7RONALDO7]

United have more money then Chelsea you know.

BTW, United out classed Liverpool yesterday, i hope that we can keep it up for the rest of the season, Ronaldo, Keane, Heinze, Brown, Rio, Silvestre all played well, but surprisingly, Scholes played the worst,(rumour has it that Scholes may leave United at the end of the season and go to his boy hood team, which he has supported all his life, Oldham!)

[Darth Daft]

United have more money then Chelsea you know.

BTW, United out classed Liverpool yesterday, i hope that we can keep it up for the rest of the season, Ronaldo, Keane, Heinze, Brown, Rio, Silvestre all played well, but surprisingly, Scholes played the worst,(rumour has it that Scholes may leave United at the end of the season and go to his boy hood team, which he has supported all his life, Oldham!)

So that was Scholes the rumour was about then? I thought it may have been Keane or possibly Giggs. People will scoff, but i can see it happening actually.

[Lord Shrimpeh]

It would be a great loss but if, unlike Beckham, they replaced him well it would be better. So far this season he hasn't had that good a perfomance. Though I expect him to improve.. I thought leaving England would improve his performances.

[Kovacevic]

No offense but since beckham wen´t I believe Ronaldo has replaced him in a fine manor.

This weekend lets hope for a top notch performance against the Spurs. Personally i think Fergie should exchange 0´shea with Smith and then exchange scholes with smith. Which gives us two dangerous forwards. Since Scholesey didn`t excel as a forward(attacking midfielder).

[Lord Shrimpeh]

I agree Ronaldo has proved a good replacement however I think if he had got Ronaldinho it would have proved better more quickly. He could always have bought Ronaldo at a different time. Ah well.

[mutu]

I agree Ronaldo has proved a good replacement however I think if he had got Ronaldinho it would have proved better more quickly. He could always have bought Ronaldo at a different time. Ah well.
No he couldn't, don't you know Wenger was after Ronaldo before Utd got him? If you hadn't got him then Arsenal would have, that's why they got Reyes in the end he was like instead

Anyway seen as RonnyC is so young he's much better value for money, the kid will last you a looong time

[Gary G]

I agree Ronaldo has proved a good replacement however I think if he had got Ronaldinho it would have proved better more quickly. He could always have bought Ronaldo at a different time. Ah well.

Ronaldinho would have brought far more to the team than Ronaldo, just look at how well he has done at Barca. How much did Barca pay for Ronaldinho?

I don't think Ronaldo will ever be able to cross like Beckham, or accumulate the same amount of assists that Beckham got in his time at United.

[Lost seraphim]

you can't deny that Ronaldo is extremely dangerous to any opposing team down the wings, and at only 19 he still has a lot of room to improve, how old is Ronaldinho?

[Gary G]

Ronaldinho is 24, I think.

I know Ronaldo is young and will no doubt improve, but I was just saying that Ronaldinho would possibly have been a better signing. He is arguably the best player in the world, and would have had an immediate effect, like he did at Barca.

[mutu]

Bear in mind you're working with "what ifs"
Ronaldo has come to Utd and although I don't like to say it has been a success overall so far I would say. Ronaldinho could have come to United and flopped like a fish for all we know :)

[Kovacevic]

True, but there was by far room for both, Ronaldo on the right wing, and Ronaldonho as a partner with RVN, I think tha would have been a quite dangerous strike force up front. But then, this is only as u called it "what ifs"...

[rebusrahman]

Ronaldo will be amazing in 2 seasons time I think. He still has a problem knowing when to the simple ball. It would also be nice to see him cut in more as Rooney does... Rooney may not have all the tricks that Ronaldo does but he is more direct and seems to have a better end product? But then Utd now have both these players... if they could buy another mf and keep their dfs fit they may come back at Chelsea and Arse?

btw, how did they perform against Liverpool? I know the result and the scorer but I didn't see the match...

[Kovacevic]

They ran over L pool the first half. Had an overwhelming percent of the possesion. In the second half liverpool got their act together and got in the match. But after 1-1, United took the advantage in play once again.

[Figо10]

Must be Benitez's zonal marking strategy that cost Liverpool the game, it did not work out well at all.

Ferdinand in my opinion was decent in his first match, a lot of people were saying he wouldn't be match fit, or maybe he would be used as a substitute.

[MikeyM]

Manchester United are a different proposition with Rio Ferdinand in defence, you could see the reassuring effect Rio had on those around him, also Wes Brown did very well at right back - linked up very well with Ronaldo (who decimated Liverpool all night) I had a feeling that Mickael Silvestre's performance would improve once he was partnered with Rio. And Sheasy did very well in his roving midfield role too (unfortunate with the OG though)

Let's just hope that the momentum continues against Spurs tomorrow, United will need that sort of performance to topple a very good Tottenham side.

No Rooney in the squad, though indications are he's ready to go - I guess Fergie wants to give him an Old Trafford debut next week. Saha is on the mend too.


Mike.

[7RONALDO7]

Yes Rooney is in Full Training but he won't play untill Middlesbourgh!!

Also, Scholes will retire at the end of the season!!

[skullverine]

Also, Scholes will retire at the end of the season!!
where did you hear that???

[7RONALDO7]

I sometimes go on Redissue.com and there is a rumour that a first team player has a critical injury they havn't released who it is though, but everyone says that Scholes will retire or go to his boy hood team Oldham, and he wants to help them to get into the Coca Cola Championship!!!!

[devo]

what a load of shit,do u believe everything u read.

[Lord Shrimpeh]

[QUOTE=7RONALDO7] there is a rumour that a first team player has a critical injury they havn't released who it is though [QUOTE]

It wouldn't by any chance be Solskjaer would it? :p

[Papa Lazarou]

PAUL SCHOLES TO OLDHAM!!1
WHAT NEXT VAN NISTELROOY TO BRISTOL ROVERS!!

WHAT A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS. WHATS THE POINT IN WRITING IT?

At Least we won today!!! Our season has finally started

[mutu]

I see Ronaldo is back to his old diving ways again, I thought he grew out of that

[skullverine]

manU is a complete different team now! i like Ronaldo's outside foot cross

[winning886]

Not a very convincing Manutd performance against Spurs..... :confused:

[Lost seraphim]

well, i thought Utd did well early on, then it kinda leveled out

[Papa Lazarou]

Rooney Is Set To Start Against Fenerbache!!!

Its Gonna Be Cool, Man

[7RONALDO7]

Hs ferguson decided that he will start now?

[pier69]

ferguson didnt want rooney to start againts tottenham . at thta time rooney is fit enough . maybe fergie wants to rest him for champion league . my prediction is that rooney will score his debut goal .

[Singh]

man utd were good on saturday had loads of chances should of scored a few more..defending looked ok now that Rio is back.

[tomdaman2]

yeah were looking good now. hopefully we can keep it up at catch up arsenal and chelsea. im goin fenerbache heopfully i will see rooney for the first time in an united shirt :)