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Not a bad player to have as your mentor, I hope he does become good as he could easily become a United legend as he is the sort of player who is liked by everyone.
Dr. Bob Kelso
21-07-2006, 01:37
Rossi has pissed on every inch of the Reserve league, his goals to game ratio is superb. Got 28 out of 30 last season and around 18+ assists I think and he didn't even play his best. The season before that he was more impressive with a better record. The last season he just seemed a bit bored however he developed as a man carrying out an aggressive streak against his marking defenders. Used to be a wee little boy but now he can dish it out too, hes developed hugely. Rossi will be very big some day, his time isn't far away either, his technique is better than most of the United first team as it is. Shaping up to be a remarkable player, my worry is if hes Loaned out and likes this new club and decides to stay then what ? Will our boy wonder be destroyed, I would cry till death if we ever sold Rossi before he made himself a huge star.
He certainly won't be another Liam Miller, thats already evident from his technique, his shooting ability, his vision and his overall footballing brain. The kid reminds me a lot like Dennis Bergkamp.
Neil Mellor broke the reserve league goalscoring record. Reserve football means nothing. Rossi could make it but there is a long way to go yet..
AgentZero
21-07-2006, 07:32
will rossi play for the yanks or the I-tye's
He's a great talent I think so it's going to be worth keeping an eye on him. I'm sure he regrets not playing for the US though...it would have been good experience...not sure if he'll ever get into the Italian squad...
Neil Mellor broke the reserve league goalscoring record. Reserve football means nothing. Rossi could make it but there is a long way to go yet..
I stand corrected, it was 30 goals in 28 games and 20+ assists. Anywho, there is no doubt in my mind Rossi will become something big. Everything about oozes class and could very easily step into the Premiership games in my opinion. His record was far more impressive the season before too.
I'm just afraid if he is put out on Loan he may like this new club and choose to stay if possible. That would be a disaster in all cases.
am I the only one who wouldve fancied signing Duff? He'll go for £8-10, and he is quality, a perfect replacement for Giggs. He's also proven in the Premiership and British. He would balance Cristiano Ronaldo nicely. Imagine having those two running at full backs all season
Apparently £11m but thats beside the point. However I couldn't really see Chelsea selling to us as they probably consider us some form of threat.
We sold them Veron when they were on their way up (mind you they might be a bit bitter about that ;)). Mourinho strikes me as the type of person who wouldnt worry about the other teams as long as he is happy and confident with his.
If I was SAF I would have at least enquired.
o0oGedo0o
21-07-2006, 12:11
vieira's deal is off, he's heading to inter. What a surprise another blown signing.
Its becoming a bit of a joke.
Ballack maybe? He's gone to Chelsea. Diarra? He doesn't want to leave Lyon. Zokora? Tottenham got him before we could. Previously most reds accepted missing out on these players, hopeful that all that would be sorted after the World Cup, when United would sign the two required central midfielders and strengthen the only area of the side really lacking quality.
We've now got one month until Fulham at home, and not only have we failed in signing one of the two required central midfielders, but we're in the process of severely weakening the side by losing Ruud. We also have a world class winger who clearly does not want to play for us anymore.
Its indicative of the shite infested Premiership that no alarm bells appear to be ringing at United. They know we wont win the league, but they know we wont finish lower than fourth either, and therefore they don't have to fret.
Chelsea will finish at least 20 points ahead of us. Liverpool are improving all the time, and Arsenal have bought wisely. Its not unfeasible that both of those will finish above us too. Plus, now Tottenham have a sqaud that could realistically finish higher than us next year. They may well have finished fourth last year, and Zokora will be immense. If they sign Duff then they've got one of the top wingers in the world (why aren't we in for Duff? He's 27, he's ace if he is given a chance, and is available for half the money we would get if we sold Ronaldo).
The sad truth is that United, who get twice as many fans coming through the gate each week, are being overtaken on the pitch by Spurs, and could be in for a severe bite on the arse come next May.
Zoolander
21-07-2006, 15:01
SAF is keeping his cards close to his chest. Have faith my son & thou will see the light.
SAF is keeping his cards close to his chest. Have faith my son & thou will see the light.
Wouldn't be so sure about that. If we were that heavily involved in bringing in a great signing or two then we would have already done it.
Guillermo
21-07-2006, 16:30
We may keep Ruud. :huh:
Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson expects to see striker Ruud van Nistelrooy at training on Monday.
The 30-year-old Dutchman has been at the centre of summer transfer speculation and Ferguson has rejected an initial approach from Real Madrid.
"They have made an offer, we have rejected it," confirmed Ferguson.
"If they don't come back in and increase their offer, he won't be going and I would be content with that. It would not bother me one bit."
Real have warned they will "not be held to ransom" over Van Nistelrooy who Ferguson values at £16m.
"He is a striker who can score upwards of 20 goals a season and there are not many of those going around," the Red Devils boss said.
The Spanish giants are falling short in their valuation offering just £12m and vice-president Juan Mendoza said: "We are not going to drive ourselves crazy trying to meet valuations which don't bear any relation to the market."
German side Bayern Munich are also in the hunt for Van Nistelrooy if his switch to Madrid falls through.
Real have failed with one bid for Van Nistelrooy, who has asked to leave Old Trafford, but The Bernabeu outfit still remain favourites to capture him.
However, Mendoza added: "We're about to reach the point where we break off all negotiations even though the player clearly wants to play for us.
"It's time to make it clear to Manchester United that Real Madrid are not going to be held to ransom over exorbitant prices."
New Real boss Fabio Capello said: "There is no question that I want Van Nistelrooy.
"The fact that Bayern also want him indicates that the entire market is being scoured by Europe's top clubs looking to snap up the best players.
"In the end it will be the player himself who has the final vote."
Meanwhile, Bayern Munich chairman Karl-Heinz Rummenigge admitted that the German side have not given up hope of hijacking Real's bid for Van Nistelrooy.
"We are trying to get him signed," said Rummenigge.
"The chances of him joining are changing by the day but we have not written him off."
Rummenigge is still confident Van Nistelrooy would choose a move to Germany over Spain.
"Every club wants to bring in important players, but it's the players themselves who have the final word," he added.
"There is a great relationship between the two clubs, and I know Van Nistelrooy wants to come to Bayern."
The Dutchman has scored 150 goals in 218 appearances since joining United from PSV for £19m in 2001.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/5200112.stm
TheBishop
21-07-2006, 16:33
I take it most of you lot will be happy if he stays. If you sell him, you lose a guarenteed 20 goals per season.
I take it most of you lot will be happy if he stays. If you sell him, you lose a guarenteed 20 goals per season.
I don't mind if we get rid of him as long as we have a top and I mean top (it'd have to be) to replace him. That means Torres or maybe Tevez. It's frustrating though because this is not the area we need to be focusing on and that area is quite clearly midfield.
Akineye is right in everything he's said. We need two central midfielders (as Ive said before SAF will only buy one IMO) and I think we need a winger. Duff is perfect as I mentioned earlier today - why the hell have we not done anything about this?
The defence is fine, should be solid. Goalkeeper situation is fine, so long as VDS doesn't get injured.
Trouble is if Ruud stays now, that's two players that no longer want to be at United and to make matters worse they hate each other too. This is only going to compound the problems, and no matter what Rooney says in the papers I doubt very much things will be as they were between he and Ronaldo.
Before the world cup we looked pretty damn good to sign a couple of quality players and mount a serious challenge to Chelsea next season. Not only have we failed to make the required signings yet but we've been weakened. Ruud and Ronaldo are two of our top five most important players.
I was quite happy to sit back in the knowledge SAF was doing the business on the hush, but as time goes on my optimism is fading too.
I hope Ruud stays because, it looks like we wont be getting a striker if ruud goes.
On the midfield situation, it is not looking good, if we do not buy two midfielders i can see us falling behind early in the season
vanNistelrooy
21-07-2006, 21:31
Don't forget Rossi. As some people have said he is definately one to keep an eye on.
SAF said he was monitoring some players in Italy but now Cannavaro, Emerson, Zambrotta and Thuram have gone! Doesn't leave an awful lot does it!? We'll probably sign some crap like Ibrahimogreedycunt and Camorashitwank.
Go Rossi, go!
Is Guiseppe Rossi realated to Paolo Rossi in any way?
Guillermo
21-07-2006, 22:44
SAF said he was monitoring some players in Italy but now Cannavaro, Emerson, Zambrotta and Thuram have gone! Doesn't leave an awful lot does it!? We'll probably sign some crap like Ibrahimogreedycunt and Camorashitwank.
Well I doubt Fergie would want any of those already gone anyway. Most are defenders which we have plenty of already, and Emerson isn't exactly a "long term replacement for Keane".
Is Guiseppe Rossi realated to Paolo Rossi in any way?
Or Valentino Rossi?
mufcsean
22-07-2006, 02:17
Is Guiseppe Rossi realated to Paolo Rossi in any way?
Never herd anything bout it but it could be possible, but then again all italians are called rossi or Di'Marco :tongue: lol only jokin
vanNistelrooy
22-07-2006, 09:12
SAF has said that Smith could be set for a new role when he returns. Possibly back up front? Still, he's not the answer to our problems.
Personally i hope Van the man stays, and Smith with a new role? He was playing great in midfield before he broke his leg, so it seems silly for me. We definately need to get a midfielder and hopefully quick as it's really not that long until the new season starts. I really hope SAF hurries up and buys a player, although i would rather him take his time and buy a better player then rushing into things.
Later on (Maybe in 20 minutes) I'm going to write out all the fixtures we have and my predicted scores for them (Probably going to be a bit biased but who cares, after all this is the Manchester United thread).
Papa Lazarou
22-07-2006, 14:55
surely SAF saying that he's gonna play Smith as a striker is a good indication that he's in the process of bringing a central midfielder in!
Latest 'ripples' are that we'll offer Silvestre plus some cash for Carrick!!
alekfyne
22-07-2006, 15:49
Personally i hope Van the man leaves. Thats because he does not deserve to be treatened like this. If a club canot value a striker with 20 goals a season then there must be something wrong. I would like to know what beckham, stam, keane etc think. Also the situation with roony and ronaldo must be solved first to get results this season.
mufcsean
22-07-2006, 16:04
I would well be up for that deal seeing silvestre going and bringing carrick in
vanNistelrooy
22-07-2006, 16:21
I'd be well up for Silvestre to go anywhere. Don't worry about giving us anything in return, just please take him of our hands!
Lord Shrimpeh
22-07-2006, 20:19
I've been worried about Man United's ability to compete for transfers ever since Glazier. If we don't sign anyone decent then we might as well throw in the white towel before we even start.
Brondby have made an bid for Solksjaer, offering him wages of £60,000 a week.
Do you think he will go? Do you care if he goes?
I would like him to stay for 1 more season at least as he has hardly been tried over the past couple of years so we don't actually know if he has lost it or not.
Nah can't see him going to be honest.I'm hoping he'd stay anyways.
What's wrong with Silvestre? :erm:
I've seen him do a good job on the left side and score goals.
What's wrong with Silvestre? :erm:
I've seen him do a good job on the left side and score goals.
He is shit simple as, he cant defend to save his life. When he first joined he was doing a good job but know he is a flop
Rooney's parents have been burgled and some memorabilia has been taken from their house in Sandfield Park, West Derby, Liverpool. The burglary took place on Saturday night.
England caps, a World Cup 2006 shirt and his BBC Young Sports Personality of the Year Trophy were taken.
Rooney's parents still live in Liverpool, unlike most moneyed people who fuck off as soon as they can raise the bus fare.
They're the ones that then put on the strongest accents and wax lyrical about the place.
I expect it will get found sooner or later, it always is.
vanNistelrooy
23-07-2006, 22:40
On Ebay.
On Ebay.
I wouldn't be surprised as they are going to want to sell it for shit loads of money.
2StonedJones
23-07-2006, 23:27
Please excuse the ignorance. But what are England Caps? I assume they are given for playing international matches. I wasn't aware that player actually recieved a commemerative for each game. I'm obviously a little unclear on the concept...could someone please enlighten me?
What a bummer for Rooney, about the last thing he needed right now.
Keyser Soze
23-07-2006, 23:34
Please excuse the ignorance. But what are England Caps? I assume they are given for playing international matches. I wasn't aware that player actually recieved a commemerative for each game. I'm obviously a little unclear on the concept...could someone please enlighten me?
An England cap is literally a cap (like a sun hat-ish), with England on it and the match written on it.
Usually look like this;
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/6189/1133lz0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Yes, thats real sad for rooney.
Come on Fergie buy some fucking players. Bayern are close to getting ruud a couple of million short of what united want.
And Liam Miller looks set to leave Manchester United.
Bayern Munich are preparing to offload one of their strikers should Manchester United agree to their latest offer for wantaway forward Ruud van Nistelrooy.
The Dutchman has been the subject of speculation all summer since Sir Alex Ferguson accepted the marksman's third transfer request, at the end of last season.
Bayern Munich have made no secret of their desire to sign the 30-year-old and president Franz Beckenbauer believes either Roy Makaay or Claudio Pizarro will make way for his arrival.
"We are still €5 million (£3.4 million) away from Manchester United's valuation, but the chances are still high," Beckenbauer revealed.
"But if it does work out, I could imagine us giving away Roy Makaay or Claudio Pizarro."
United are yet to answer the offer, but have called the predator back to pre-season training while they hold out for £15 million.
Munich have already spent €10.5 million (£7.15 million) this summer on Germany's World Cup star Lukas Podolski from Cologne.
Hamburg could be the beneficiaries of the transfer activity, with Der Kaiser predicting a striker to follow Paolo Guerrero to the AOL Arena.
"We could reach another deal," Beckenbauer added.
The Bundesliga outfit are still believed to be in the market for a striker after searching fruitlessly so far this summer.
They were rebuffed by Aston Villa for Milan Baros and Valencia for Patrick Kluivert and some Bayern bargains may yet prove their best option.
Makaay anyone?
Yes, thats real sad for rooney.
Come on Fergie buy some fucking players. Bayern are close to getting ruud a couple of million short of what united want.
And Liam Miller looks set to leave Manchester United.
Makaay anyone?
Nope I am not interested in him. Is he not 31?. Dont get me wrong he is a good finisher but i think buying will not be a good solution
mufcsean
24-07-2006, 17:28
Will miller be going out on loan or being sold, also i wouldnt want Makaay Or Pizzaro to be truthfuli want ruud to stay or get torres
Miller will probably be sold as he is too old now to be loaned out really and he is dead weight, might as well sell him to Leeds or a newly promoted Premiership side.
Will miller be going out on loan or being sold, also i wouldnt want Makaay Or Pizzaro to be truthfuli want ruud to stay or get torres
Atletico Madrid are to hold a press conference on Tuesday concerning the future of striker Fernando Torres.
Hopefully saying he wants to go...
mufcsean
24-07-2006, 17:45
Atletico Madrid are to hold a press conference on Tuesday concerning the future of striker Fernando Torres.
Hopefully saying he wants to go...
Were in the same boat there along with a lot of other people i would love him to come to O.T
They are gonna say that he is not for sale, which they have said over and over again
Yea but he wants to go, he has been quoted as saying before.
Times running out fergie needs to bring a couple of quality players in fast!
I heard that last week if Torres actually says it to the chairmans face that he wants to leave then Athletico Madrid won't stand in his way.
mufcsean
24-07-2006, 17:55
I'd try for torres, carrick and another decent and quite cheap midfielder
Ideal/realistic signings in my opinion would be Carrick, Gattuso and Torres, I would of said Scotty Parker before he was made captain but I can't see him going now.
^ Yea those are possible signings.
We dont need parker, carrick would do nicely.
It's just that Parker and Carrick reminds me of Gattuso's and Pirlo's partnership, one great passer and someone who has a great work rate and good tackler but I agree that Carrick would do nicely.
mufcsean
24-07-2006, 18:25
how much did glazier give fergie to spend
I always questioned why we didnt get Parker when he moved to Newcastle. It appears today that Duff cost them £5 too, now that's annoying SAF defo missed the boat there.
As far as money is concerned I believe it's there, its just SAF finding the right players. I mean we made £12 on Mikel for doing bo diddly, plus if we sell Ruud that's almost £30 in transfer revenue alone, let alone the money they would have set aside already for transfers.
The lack of signings is down to SAF IMO rather than the Glazers
Carrick can naff off, Spurs wanting £20m by the looks of things. £15m was pushing it anyway.
I wouldn't pay more then £10 for Carrick. I'm glad we're not letting ourselves get held to ransom over transfers at least. Everyone must know there is a price for Chelsea and a price for everyone else. Case in point is the overpricing of Essien to Chelsea for £26million, then Lyon recognising that Diarra was actually more important than him to them and therefore he should cost more even though Chelsea aren't interested.
What does everyone think of Julio Baptista as I think he is vastly underated now he has moved to Real Madrid and been played out of position, he scored 38 goals in his 2 season for Sevilla and since he is only 23/24 he would be a great prospect.
What does everyone think of Julio Baptista as I think he is vastly underated now he has moved to Real Madrid and been played out of position, he scored 38 goals in his 2 season for Sevilla and since he is only 23/24 he would be a great prospect.
Where would he play if he joined us?
He plays centre midfield but attacking, like Lampard, he has a good shot on him and would be a big pressence in the team.
He plays centre midfield but attacking, like Lampard, he has a good shot on him and would be a big pressence in the team.
I heard that he used to be a CMF, then played as a AMF/CF with Sevilla. I have seen him play as a AMF this season with Real Madrid
When he plays week in, week out he show what a great player as he can dominate matches, also United need a midfielder who can score 15+ goals in a season and he is definetly someone who could do it.
On other matters Pique has been on good form in the Under 19 championships scoring 2 headers in the 4-0 win over Scotland, taking Spain to the Semi Finals.
I know Baptista has the potential to score 15+ goals, but I am not really interested in a midfielder who score 15+ goals like lamps. I am interested in Midfielders like Cesc, Pirlo, or Riquelme. Obi Mikel would fit that criteria but he has gone to chelsea
Baptista is defo a good buy, a beast in midfield with the ability to score goals. Exactly what we need.
I know Baptista has the potential to score 15+ goals, but I am not really interested in a midfielder who score 15+ goals like lamps. I am interested in Midfielders like Cesc, Pirlo, or Riquelme. Obi Mikel would fit that criteria but he has gone to chelsea
I think that we need to have 1 of each just incase Scholes isn't up to it when he comes back, also I can't see us getting any of the 3 you mentioned in that post. Someone like Gattuso would be great for Baptista as he would release Baptista to play his natural game as whilst he sits back covering the defence.
I think that we need to have 1 of each just incase Scholes isn't up to it when he comes back, also I can't see us getting any of the 3 you mentioned in that post. Someone like Gattuso would be great for Baptista as he would release Baptista to play his natural game as whilst he sits back covering the defence.
Nah i am not saying that we will get them i mean, players that are suitable to them, which i know is hard to find
Nah i am not saying that we will get them i mean, players THAT ARE suitable to them, which is hard to find
Oh right, yeah I see what you mean as those players now have the team built around them so they are rarely up for transfer.
volcomapple
24-07-2006, 23:19
Anyone here going to the Sevilla game?
So Torres says he is not leaving Atletcio Madrid for at least another season, so we will have to change our target, any ideas?
o0oGedo0o
25-07-2006, 14:15
defoe, trezeguet though i'd rather the first.
I knew he would say that, I think we should go for Trez, Defoe or maybe Kuyt, I would prefer Defoe or Kuyt as they are younger
Defoe ? No. No. No.
We probably won't be able to buy a natural goalscorer anyway, especially with Fergie seemingly not buying.
Saha
Dong
Rooney
Smudger
Rossi
Solskjaer
Hardly a crap strike-force, we need to spend the funds on a midfielder or two rather than a striker. Especially one like Defoe.
Fuck it, United should leave torres alone and move onto the next target. United have to buy an out and out striker who will score 20+ goals in a season, with the exception of rooney the other strikers wont do it.
Defoe or Trezeguet i reckon Saf will go for now...
Lord Shrimpeh
26-07-2006, 00:24
With the Italian clubs getting lighter sentences it seems Fergie's missed the boat there. The lack of transfer activity is worrying... even the rumours have dried up. Personally I think Baptista is a good shout, maybe a swap with Ruud or something. Then I'd like to see maybe Trezeguet. I think we need an attacking mid, scholes is probably not up to it anymore. Even before his injury he was poor. If we change our system of play we don't actually need an all out defensive mid like Keane... Bap could do the job and play more forward
Looks like Carrick is on his way lads :) looking good.
Posted by Guardian
Carrick for United but Torres to stay in Spain
Tottenham are resigned to losing Michael Carrick to Manchester United after the England midfielder rejected their final contract offer.
Spurs would have altered their wage and bonus structure to match the package offered by United but Carrick has made it clear that he wants to move, pointing to the Old Trafford club's participation in the Champions League and their greater proximity to his family home in Newcastle as key attractions.
http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,1830151,00.html
:D :D :D
£17m is way too much but it just shows we'd probably pay it due to desperation.
Look at our midfield it is shit, I would pay that amount if it means getting a good midielder
Billy Minof
26-07-2006, 13:22
Ye wont be getting Diarra then, 17 mil is OTT, he is good but wont make a differance to ye whatsoever.
Ye need a strong DMF and a very good AMF someone who can unlock defence's.
Tottenham Hotspur are resigned to losing midfielder Michael Carrick, according to the Guardian newspaper.
According to a report, Spurs will grudgingly accept GBP17m from United for the Geordie plodder.
"We are working on certain things," said Ferguson.
"Of course, people are trying to make out we are in a desperate situation. That is far from the case.
"If I was to start the season with the players I have now, all fully fit, I would not be disappointed."
Sadly Alex, any United fan who wants to see the team compete for trophies next year will be.
Lord Shrimpeh
26-07-2006, 13:36
SAF does seem to be becoming a bit slow these days. Slow to get transfers sortred, slow to see when players aren't up to it etc. I really think we do need a new manager, if only for a bit of youth (well, compared to Fergie) and excitement. SAF seems a bit tired and malased, a mood which occasionally affects the team. It's a pity cause he is still an ace manager.
MICHAEL CARRICK is stalling on a bumper new £45,000-a-week deal to stay at Spurs.
The England midfielder wants to wait and see if Manchester United come back with a new bid. Spurs KO’d United’s £14million offer and want to open talks to secure Carrick’s long-term future.
Carrick — who is 25 on Friday — has two years left on the £25,000-a-week deal he signed after his £2.75m move from West Ham in August 2004.
But Spurs boss Martin Jol has recommended a £1m-a-year pay rise to put his rising star on the same terms as skipper Ledley King.
Carrick is still eager to try his luck at United but fears Spurs’ £20m valuation has put them off.
Meanwhile, Jol plans to test Middlesbrough’s resolve with a new bid for Stewart Downing, 22, after a £6m bid was blocked last summer.
Earlier this month new Boro boss Gareth Southgate said: “I don’t want to lose Stewart and certainly not to a club like Spurs.”
Phatmann
26-07-2006, 19:06
Fortune has now signed for Bolton on a one-year deal, good luck to him :)
Also, 5 United players have gone to Antwerp on loan: Dong Fangzhuo, Jonny Evans, Frazer Campbell, Danny Simpson and Darron Giboson.
http://home.skysports.com/transferarticle.aspx?hlid=4058 40
vanNistelrooy
26-07-2006, 19:20
See you in January, Dong!
Squad to face Celtic:
Foster, Steele, Bardsley, J Evans, Brown, Evra, Miller, D Jones, Martin, Rossi, Richardson, Scholes, Fletcher, Eagles, Gibson, Simpson, McShane.
Phatmann
26-07-2006, 19:22
See you in January, Dong!
I think he'll only be coming if he plays a few times for China between now and then, as if he takes a European passport his international career will be over, and I doubt he'd want to stop playing for his country for an uncertain future at United.
If anyone isn't watching the game, it's 1-0 to United, great goal from Jonathan Evans!! :cool:.
If anyone isn't watching the game, it's 1-0 to United, great goal from Jonathan Evans!! :cool:.
What channel isit on?
Phatmann
26-07-2006, 20:47
What channel isit on?
Channel 5
vanNistelrooy
26-07-2006, 21:29
God Celtic are wank. But damn our reserves look good.
The commentary was absolutely awful to be honest, they just didn't seem to know what they were saying.
Evra seems to have picked up a bit since his last campaign but it could have been down to Celtic playing poorly. Evans was impressive as always and Rossi's sharpness never lacked when it was needed. That Martin on the wing failed to impress me though, he just appeared to lack pace which doesn't help if your on the wing.
Phatmann
26-07-2006, 22:02
The commentary was absolutely awful to be honest, they just didn't seem to know what they were saying.
Evra seems to have picked up a bit since his last campaign but it could have been down to Celtic playing poorly. Evans was impressive as always and Rossi's sharpness never lacked when it was needed. That Martin on the wing failed to impress me though, he just appeared to lack pace which doesn't help if your on the wing.
What was the final score? and who scored?
Rangers_Fureva
26-07-2006, 22:10
What was the final score? and who scored?
3-0, Man Yoo.
Evans and a Pauley Scholes double.
Celtic.:laugh:
Phatmann
26-07-2006, 22:12
3-0, Man Yoo.
Evans and a Pauley Scholes double.
Celtic.:laugh:
Did Celtic have their first team out? If so, that's embarrassing :mellow:
Rangers_Fureva
26-07-2006, 22:12
Did Celtic have their first team out? If so, that's embarrassing :mellow:
Yeah.:shocking:
The commentary on Channel 5 is always awful.
3-0 a good win
God damn, celtics season starts in a couple of days. Utd reserves looked good evans and martin standing out for me, foster and Fletcher doing well.
vanNistelrooy
26-07-2006, 23:25
Celtic didn't really have their full team out, a few players out but had many more first team players than we did.
Our reserves look better than out first team!
Celtic were missing Nakamura, Maloney, jarosik and Petrov in midfield. Also Telfer, Balde and McManus in defence i think. Dont really have many strikers.
mufcsean
26-07-2006, 23:31
Anyone got a link to the goals or highlights or something please, i missed the match as i was at football
Dr. Bob Kelso
26-07-2006, 23:32
TIC TOC TIC TOC.... Vieira to Inter... TIC TOC TIC TOC....Gattuso to stay with Milan .... TIC TOC TIC TOC.
I don't envy you in the position you lot are in. 660 MILLION in debt and a squad that is the weakest you have had in a decade.
Man what you on, tic toc...
United still managed to finish 2nd with a "weak squad"
Martin > Pennant
Also dont be fooled by fergie he has a few players lined up. Id rather he took his time and bought players then panic buy like liverpool have.
Dr. Bob Kelso
26-07-2006, 23:39
Man what you on, tic toc...
United still managed to finish 2nd with a "weak squad"
Martin > Pennant
Also dont be fooled by fergie he has a few players lined up. Id rather he took his time and bought players then panic buy like liverpool have.
Martin who ? You're deluded lad.
660 MILLION in debt and your squad is shit. I dont know if you noticed but everyone else has strengthened.
By the way RVN is leaving tomorrow for 15 million Euros.
TIC TOC TIC TOC.
mufcsean
26-07-2006, 23:44
Rafa i will bet you however much you want that United finish higher than you peices of terd
Martin who ? You're deluded lad.
660 MILLION in debt and your squad is shit. I dont know if you noticed but everyone else has strengthened.
By the way RVN is leaving tomorrow for 15 million Euros.
TIC TOC TIC TOC.
Martin who you say :laugh:
Anyway yes everyone has got better but the transfer window has not closed yet lad, still time left for any dealings.
Quality not quantity, look at who you lot got e.g. bellamy and pennant seriously they wouldnt get in uniteds, arsenals or chelseas squad. Gonzales dude, you got looks the only decent signing benitez made.
Man utd one by one have better players then liverpools, only chelsea have a better squad then utd have.
Ruud is a top top striker probably one of the best in prem along with henry, but if he wants to go which he does utd can bring someonelse in. Good luck to him ;)
Dr. Bob Kelso
26-07-2006, 23:49
Rafa i will bet you however much you want that United finish higher than you peices of terd
Construct that into a sentence someone from my country might understand and you may just have a bet.
mufcsean
26-07-2006, 23:54
alright you smart-arse tw@, i will bet you however much you want, that Manchester United will finish higher in the league than what you peices of terd (liverpool) will and if you dont understand that then you are one dumb fucker
Dr. Bob Kelso
27-07-2006, 00:18
alright you smart-arse tw@, i will bet you however much you want, that Manchester United will finish higher in the league than what you peices of terd (liverpool) will and if you dont understand that then you are one dumb fucker
Nah I'd have to come to Manchester to collect and that's not worth the money.
vanNistelrooy
27-07-2006, 00:57
Nah I'd have to come to Manchester to collect and that's not worth the money.
Nah, you could just steal some money from your next door neighbour.
Nah, you could just steal some money from your next door neighbour.
:laugh:
Dr. Bob Kelso
27-07-2006, 01:45
Nah, you could just steal some money from your next door neighbour.
What an idiotic comment that is as how would that be me collecting my bet you fuckin retard.
Well played Villene for thinking that was funny you coal mine dwelling ballet dancing no trophy having wife beating newcy brown loving twat.
Keyser Soze
27-07-2006, 01:46
Quality not quantity, look at who you lot got e.g. bellamy and pennant seriously they wouldnt get in uniteds, arsenals or chelseas squad. Gonzales dude, you got looks the only decent signing benitez made.
:huh: Bellamy could walk into any squad in the Premiership tbh, he would probably walk into United's first team.
Nah, you could just steal some money from your next door neighbour.:laugh:
What an idiotic comment that is as how would that be me collecting my bet you fuckin retard.
Well played Villene for thinking that was funny you coal mine dwelling ballet dancing no trophy having wife beating newcy brown loving twat.
Thanks...you benefits sponging, car robbing, underage drinking scouse twat ;)
Dr. Bob Kelso
27-07-2006, 01:53
Thanks...you benefits sponging, car robbing, underage drinking scouse twat ;)
Is 23 under age where you live? Get many 23 year olds pestering you outside the offy ?
Way Aye mate can ye goo in ta de offy an get me 7000 newcy browns.
:laugh: Yes, we call Necastle 'Newcy' :laugh:, anywho, i have better things to do at 1.55 in the morning.
What do you reckon? Van the man to Spurs?!?!? In return for Carrick?
From the evertrustworthy Sun...
Jol plots to hijack Van
By PAT SHEEHAN
TOTTENHAM have moved to hijack Ruud van Nistelrooy’s switch to Real Madrid by using Michael Carrick as bait.
Spurs manager Martin Jol wants the Manchester United striker PLUS around £10million in cash for Carrick.
Last night, it emerged the England midfielder had rejected a £45,000-a-week deal to stay at White Hart Lane.
And Tottenham are now willing to sell him in a bid to pip Real to Van Nistelrooy.
The Spanish giants have already responded to Spurs’ interest by making an increased offer of £10.25m for the 30-year-old Dutchman.
But that still falls well short of United’s £15m valuation and Tottenham have a tempting alternative for Old Trafford chief Alex Ferguson.
Spurs chairman Daniel Levy is fiercely ambitious and will offload Carrick, 25 tomorrow, in return for a hitman who can guarantee 20 goals a season.
It was Tottenham’s failure to take their chances towards the end of the last campaign that cost them a Champions League place.
But even if they fail to capture Van Nistelrooy, Carrick looks likely to move.
He is one of the hottest properties in the Premiership and Arsenal are almost certain to step in with an offer.
I think he'll only be coming if he plays a few times for China between now and then, as if he takes a European passport his international career will be over, and I doubt he'd want to stop playing for his country for an uncertain future at United.
ive read on the united site that fergie is trying to get him a working license so he can play in england in january but still be eligible to play for china
vanNistelrooy
27-07-2006, 08:43
Rafalutionary if you are 23 years old please act like it (I'm 22, so I can get away acting more childish than you).
By the way this is a Premiership winners thread, so I'd be grateful if you leave. If you're really lucky you can come here in about 8 years (if United, Chelski and Arsenal have joined an Elite league).
Ruud + £10m for Carrick ? They can fuck off within an instant. Bastards.
Ruud + £10m for Carrick ? They can fuck off within an instant. Bastards.
Well...it is a bit sad that Ruud is worth less than Carrick in that instance...I think it's just a bit of fun on Jol's part...to up the worth of a young ENGLISH mid-fielder...prices REALLY do jump as soon as the british flag comes out... :no:
Ha tottenham fuck off, ruud plus 10 mill get the fuck out of here.
Lets be honest the G bellamy cant walk into any squad in prem, chelsea? Arsenal? dont think so. Probably not even into uniteds squad.
Anyway daily mirror reckons utd ready to get masscherano for 16m and there in talks with him as we speak. Carrick or Masscherano? how about both...:ohmy:
EXCLUSIVE: FERGIE EYES MASC MAN
By Alan Nixon And John Cross
SIR ALEX Ferguson is in talks with Argentina World Cup star Javier Mascherano.
Fergie believes he has finally found the man to replace Roy Keane and Mascherano's agents arrived last night to discuss a move to Manchester United.
The defensive midfielder (above) is valued at £25million by Corinthians, but United are expected to make the Brazilian club an opening offer of £16m.
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Mascherano, who was in outstanding form for his country in Germany, looked to be on the way to Real Madrid for £25m until the Spaniards pulled out following elections for a new club president - opening the door for United.
The investment company behind Corinthians bought Mascherano from River Plate for £10m two years ago and the key to the move is how much profit they want from his sale.
United are prepared to dig deep for Mascherano, described by Diego Maradona as "a monster of a player and destined for great things".
And at the age of 22 he will have a resale value if he moves on from Old Trafford, which is the kind of deal that appeals to the Glazer family who own United.
Chelsea had looked at him but instead went for Michael Ballack and John Obi Mikel, leaving United in pole position - a rarity in the current transfer market.
Sir Alex will also sign Michael Carrick in a £16m deal after Tottenham admitted defeat in their battle to keep the England midfielder.
Carrick has turned down a new contract offer worth £45,000 a week which would have trebled his wages at White Hart Lane.
That was the signal for Ferguson to make a third bid for him and negotiations are likely to be finalised before Carrick returns to pre-season training after his extended break following the World Cup.
Ferguson's two previous offers, which included John O'Shea and Mikael Silvestre as part of a player-plus-cash package, were turned down.
Losing Carrick has forced Spurs to put on hold plans to off-load Edgar Davids to his former club Ajax.
United have told Real Madrid to increase their £12m offer if they are serious about signing Ruud van Nistelrooy.
Real's second bid - £3m under United's valuation - is expected to be formally rejected today.
Wow...BOTH? that would be serious for ManU.....hadn't realised Macherano was so young...22...not bad!
Yea he is 22, i dont think we will get both unless we sell a few more players. Either will do nicely and a new cf to replace ruudy boy. Corinthians are having a bad time of it, so its possible.
Hate to burst anyone bubble but isn't The Daily Mirror in co-operation with The Sun ? Hardly the most reliable source but no doubt I'm getting excited by the prospect of Mascherano being brought to Old Trafford.
:cool:
Why don't we sell C Ronaldo and buy Schweinsteiger instead?
Yea but there is no smoke without fire, something to cling on i suppose.
Lami we should keep ronaldo, leave schweinsteiger imo.
Billy Minof
27-07-2006, 13:16
lol, all of yere hopes and dreams are resting on Micheal Carrick, what has happened to the mighty Man Utd everyone used fear and respect.
lol, all of yere hopes and dreams are resting on Micheal Carrick, what has happened to the mighty Man Utd everyone used fear and respect.
We would still shit on Poor madrid :tongue:
mufcsean
27-07-2006, 13:27
Rafa you pathetic worthless shite, i will pay you via paypal, oh no wait you can pay me via paypal, then no-one has to go anywhere, i will bet you all of your dole money if you want
Dr. Bob Kelso
27-07-2006, 13:28
Rafalutionary if you are 23 years old please act like it (I'm 22, so I can get away acting more childish than you).
By the way this is a Premiership winners thread, so I'd be grateful if you leave. If you're really lucky you can come here in about 8 years (if United, Chelski and Arsenal have joined an Elite league).
Oh dear your not another one of the "it only counts if it was seen on sky" brigade are you.
Elite ? We are the most succesful team in England you complete and utter tit.
18 league titles 5 european cups.
FOREVER in our shadow.
mufcsean
27-07-2006, 13:33
Rafa read post 5640
Dr. Bob Kelso
27-07-2006, 13:56
Rafa read post 5640
Clever but how about we bet the average amount it costs half the people in this thread to actually travel to United to see their one game a season.
mufcsean
27-07-2006, 14:00
I know you are trying to be clever but it isnt as easy for United supporters to go and see all the matches as tickets are extremely hard to get unlike scouse tickets, why not just bet £20, payments made via paypal, so if Manchester United finish higher than liverpool, you have to give me £20, but if Liverpool finish higher than Manchester United then i have to give you £20, deal?
Dr. Bob Kelso
27-07-2006, 14:05
I know you are trying to be clever but it isnt as easy for United supporters to go and see all the matches as tickets are extremely hard to get unlike scouse tickets, why not just bet £20, payments made via paypal, so if Manchester United finish higher than liverpool, you have to give me £20, but if Liverpool finish higher than Manchester United then i have to give you £20, deal?
Hate to break this to you but it is harder to get a ticket at Anfield for obvious reasons.
a) our stadium is smaller (supply and demand)
b) our ticket office is shite.
20 quid bet to be paid after the outcome of the bet. The bet being that if Liverpool finish higher than United you pay me and if United finish higher than us I will pay you.
Deal.
mufcsean
27-07-2006, 14:07
Thank you for that Rafa, now dont go dissapearing off here now just to wriggle your way out of the bet, by the way, pleasure doing business with you
Dr. Bob Kelso
27-07-2006, 14:23
Thank you for that Rafa, now dont go dissapearing off here now just to wriggle your way out of the bet, by the way, pleasure doing business with you
Likewise. Just wondering what I will spend my 20 quid on. Maybe put it towards a Real shirt with Van Nistlerooy on the back or buy a United shirt so I can put New Keane on the back and Smiths number.
It maybe best if one of you two (or both) print screen this thread as a lot can happen in a year.
Rafa, I certainly respect you and there will always be sourness between United and 'Pool fans but it is definetely hard to get United tickets, near impossible a lot of the time. I've been applying for ST's for a while now and even though we will be having over 50,000 ST Holder's next season I still highly doubt I'll get my hands on one. I've applied for the Fulham home game, after much frustration with the new United site not working at times. Yes the travel maybe a bastard but what does that matter if you manage to get tickets ? Its about seeing your team, really. Whether it be Reserves, 1st team or youth team.
PS: I'd like to see the outcome of this bet, it will definetely be close but if we do indeed secure Carrick and Mascherano then anything can happen in the Top 3.
Dr. Bob Kelso
27-07-2006, 14:59
It maybe best if one of you two (or both) print screen this thread as a lot can happen in a year.
Rafa, I certainly respect you and there will always be sourness between United and 'Pool fans but it is definetely hard to get United tickets, near impossible a lot of the time. I've been applying for ST's for a while now and even though we will be having over 50,000 ST Holder's next season I still highly doubt I'll get my hands on one. I've applied for the Fulham home game, after much frustration with the new United site not working at times. Yes the travel maybe a bastard but what does that matter if you manage to get tickets ? Its about seeing your team, really. Whether it be Reserves, 1st team or youth team.
PS: I'd like to see the outcome of this bet, it will definetely be close but if we do indeed secure Carrick and Mascherano then anything can happen in the Top 3.
My mate applied for a season ticket 9 years ago and got it last year. I know that it is not easy to get a ticket for United games but I would suggest it is harder to get one for Liverpool. Just a hunch.
I have mates who are United fans and see it just as a bit of banter. I suppose sometimes that doesn't come across on the net and I can't do much about that. One of my mates who is a United fan is in despair at the state of your team at the moment and said it was little short of a miracle that they finished second but anyway. I don't have a season ticket and I am never chosen for the PTS so I have to work my ass off to get tickets. I am considering doing the "Liverpools" which for a few hours work a week would guarentee me my match ticket.
As for the players you want, I could see Carrick coming if the price were right but Mascherano is just biding his time waiting for Makalele to ship out I reckon.
Billy Minof
27-07-2006, 15:10
We would still shit on Poor madrid :tongue:
lol, poor Madrid, is it not ye who owe 660 Million Pounds:shocking:
lol, poor Madrid, is it not ye who owe 660 Million Pounds:shocking:
We're getting there, we're selling Ruud for £10.2m. :huh:
lol, poor Madrid, is it not ye who owe 660 Million Pounds:shocking:
How much are madrid in debt?
Billy Minof
27-07-2006, 15:13
Likewise. Just wondering what I will spend my 20 quid on. Maybe put it towards a Real shirt with Van Nistlerooy on the back or buy a United shirt so I can put New Keane on the back and Smiths number.
Get the Madrid Shirt, did you see the new one, its class, it also has a one off no other team has it or ever will greatest team of the Century Logo on it as Voted by all other clubs in the world. :happy:
How much are madrid in debt?
Sweet FA, the King bought our training groung for 170 million that we used be in dept of then gave it back to us. :tongue:
Dr. Bob Kelso
27-07-2006, 15:17
Get the Madrid Shirt, did you see the new one, its class, it also has a one off no other team has it or ever will greatest team of the Century Logo on it as Voted by all other clubs in the world. :happy:
I have seen it and it looks quality. If I got one I wouldn't know where to start with whose name I would get. I got Zidane on my last shirt. People always buy me Real shirts anyway lol.
Your sponsors always seem to suit your shirts and your shirts are always class. It's like adidas have 6 months to make the shirts and they spend 5 months on Reals. Cunts.
Sweet FA, the King bought our training groung for 170 million that we used be in dept of then gave it back to us. :tongue:
Ah right, good to know its ok for some.
Billy Minof
27-07-2006, 15:19
Your sponsors always seem to suit your shirts and your shirts are always class. It's like adidas have 6 months to make the shirts and they spend 5 months on Reals. Cunts.
:D
Lets get back on topic...
United are fucked. :laugh:
Ah right, good to know its ok for some.
;) Always will be.
Dr. Bob Kelso
27-07-2006, 15:20
Debt will never be a problem for Real as long as the king is about. Same for Barca with the Bank of Catalan writing off all their debts.
Dr. Bob Kelso
27-07-2006, 15:23
:D
Lets get back on topic...
United are fucked. :laugh:
I'm not stupid enough to write them off. However having said that I look at their squad now and their squads of the past and I just wonder how they think they are gonna keep up!
A top class DMC is a must for them if they are to stand any chance.
Gatusso - cant see it.
Vieira - went to Inter
Mascherano - can't see it.
Carrick - if the price is right maybe.
Diarra - aint gonna happen.
Who else is there ?
God I am so glad we got Momo!
We're apparently signing Carrick within the next week or so for around £15-17m. Be a good signing but still overpriced.
Reports also suggest we are lining up a £16m bid for Mascherano very soon.
This all leads me to believe we have indeed agreed a fee with Real for Ruud, just hopefully a little more than £10m anyway.
Billy Minof
27-07-2006, 15:32
I'm not stupid enough to write them off. However having said that I look at their squad now and their squads of the past and I just wonder how they think they are gonna keep up!
A top class DMC is a must for them if they are to stand any chance.
Gatusso - cant see it.
Vieira - went to Inter
Mascherano - can't see it.
Carrick - if the price is right maybe.
Diarra - aint gonna happen.
Who else is there ?
God I am so glad we got Momo!
Big Philis Neville could be about to return and save them. He is a pup off of Roy Keane and has said that he could phil:w00t his boots.
This all leads me to believe we have indeed agreed a fee with Real for Ruud, just hopefully a little more than £10m anyway.
Steal of the Century. :D
vanNistelrooy
27-07-2006, 18:16
Oh dear your not another one of the "it only counts if it was seen on sky" brigade are you.
No I'm one of the "How many Premierships have you won you idiot" brigade.
jdcassidy
27-07-2006, 18:17
Join My League Some1
hitmanuk2k
27-07-2006, 18:18
Join My League Some1Fuck off.
Join My League Some1
WTF!! don't ask in this thread
vanNistelrooy
27-07-2006, 18:24
God I am so glad we got Momo!
Mowho?
Rafa i will bet you however much you want that United finish higher than you peices of terd
Now lets not get to excited, the season has not started yet.
Thank-you very much ruudy, 150 goals for utd.
Good luck in Madrid.
He will complete a medical on friday, and thats that.
Confirmed on SSN.
Now we got carrick it softens the blow, still imo i reckon we paid a bit too much for carrick.
Phatmann
27-07-2006, 20:12
Big Philis Neville could be about to return and save them. He is a pup off of Roy Keane and has said that he could phil:w00t his boots.
:huh: :shocking: :no:
Anyone heard any news on our bid to sign Kuszczak?
Yea its collapsed not going to happen.
Papa Lazarou
27-07-2006, 20:33
i wish people would not use this thread for fucking Liverpool vs Man U fucking shite!!
anyways, Ruud has gone which means our front line will be Saha and Rooney starting next season...but i reckon it means we will get Carrick and probably someone else (Mascherano) i'd love to see Gattuso though, that would be amazing
CARRICK SIGNS!
http://www.setanta.com/portal/article/football::england?open&articleid=4b6f272eb6c74b368025 71b80065e038
Yep there will be a conference sometime tommorow, to unveil him.
Hopefully get masha' aswell, and a CF.
Manchester United have signed Michael Carrick from Tottenham Hotspur for Stg17 million. The EXCLUSIVE news was revealed on Setanta Sports programme The Hub on Thursday evening.
Carrick is set to finalise personal terms before being unveiled to the media at Old Trafford within the next 48 hours - the press conference is likely to take place before the weekend, however.
Setanta Sports understands that Carrick will move in a straight-cash deal, with no players moving in the opposite direction. The midfielder's desire to move to United is said to have forced Martin Jol into letting one of his prize assets leave North London.
Carrick is set to pen a five-year deal at Old Trafford once his medical is completed and terms are agreed, with no hitches expected at this stage.
United agreed a fee of Stg17m with Tottenham on Thursday after tracking the midfielder for the last couple of seasons. Old Trafford boss Alex Ferguson sees Carrick, who was a member of England's World cup squad, as a replacement for Roy Keane.
The news will be a major boost for United's fans with Ruud van Nistelrooy all but completing his move to Real Madrid this week.
:D
Papa Lazarou
27-07-2006, 20:50
WOOO!!! WE GOT CARRICK!!! Finally we have a strong midfielder!!! Thats such a big plus for us now!!
Lets go get Gattuso as well!! WOOO!!
Na leave Gattuso let him sweat it out in italy, lets get masha!
Yes, Gatusso is a fantastic player. I really don't know who I would chose out of him and Masha...both great Defensive midfielders we really need.
Shame about ruud
Ruud van Nistelrooy has been given the go-ahead to undergo a medical with Real Madrid.
Reports on Thursday evening had suggested that a deal to take the striker to Spain had been sealed. However, a club statement has confirmed that these reports are premature.
A club spokeswoman told ManUtd.com: "Manchester United give permission for Ruud van Nistelrooy to travel to Real Madrid for a medical.
"However, terms of agreement are yet to be finalised between the two clubs
manutd.com
Papa Lazarou
27-07-2006, 21:01
Shame about ruud
Ruud van Nistelrooy has been given the go-ahead to undergo a medical with Real Madrid.
Reports on Thursday evening had suggested that a deal to take the striker to Spain had been sealed. However, a club statement has confirmed that these reports are premature.
A club spokeswoman told ManUtd.com: "Manchester United give permission for Ruud van Nistelrooy to travel to Real Madrid for a medical.
"However, terms of agreement are yet to be finalised between the two clubs
manutd.com
we heard this earlier in the thread...the Carrick news is the big thing now!!
vanNistelrooy
27-07-2006, 23:49
How come there is nothing up on Sky Sports website but it was apparently on SSN?
How come there is nothing up on Sky Sports website but it was apparently on SSN?
Sky Sports seem to be lagging recently with transfers to be honest.
vanNistelrooy
27-07-2006, 23:51
Nothing on the official United website too?
mufcsean
27-07-2006, 23:58
Shame about Ruud going but i wish him all the best at Madrid, thank god we have finally purchased somebody, especially such a promising player, regarding Gattuso and Mascherano, i wouldn't mind any of them coming as both are quality players but Mascherano is younger and therefore would be at the club longer and will grow into an even better player than he already is.
Dr. Bob Kelso
28-07-2006, 00:13
17 million for Carrick .... Sissoko 8 million euros.... hmmmmm.
17 million for Carrick .... Sissoko 8 million euros.... hmmmmm.I'd say a better comparison would be with Carrick and whatever bargain it was you got for Xabi.
Jonno394
28-07-2006, 00:18
17 million for Carrick .... Sissoko 8 million euros.... hmmmmm.
What's your point. The similarity in the fact you both overpaid for shit players?
IMO Scott Parker £6.5 mil>Newcastle is much better business.
Dr. Bob Kelso
28-07-2006, 00:21
I'd say a better comparison would be with Carrick and whatever bargain it was you got for Xabi.
Yeah that's kind of my point. I mean Xabi was 10.5 mill and is a cultured midfielder who sits deep and does a job. IF united are not buying another DMC I will be extatic at this deal. If Mascherano signs in then I wont, but I really cant see that. I have a horrible feeling (for the mancs) that they think Carrick is the right man to be there DMC for 17 million! I would much rather have Sissoko in this role hence the comparisson.
You're right though.
vanNistelrooy
28-07-2006, 00:39
I don't see why we would buy another DM? We'd play Scholes in the middle with whoever the DM would be anyway.
I think we need decent defenders, someone to keep Ferdinand going. Silvestre and Ferdinand both inconsistent, but when Ferdinand puts his mind into the game nothing can beat him. Only if a consistent decent defender with him that surely can boost his consistency.
Congrats on Carrick...it could be a renaissance...and certainly it helps England...let's see how he develops.
I think we need decent defenders, someone to keep Ferdinand going. Silvestre and Ferdinand both inconsistent, but when Ferdinand puts his mind into the game nothing can beat him. Only if a consistent decent defender with him that surely can boost his consistency.
There is nothing wrong with our defence, I think it is fine the way it is
vanNistelrooy
28-07-2006, 08:44
Neville Rio Brown Heinze
One of the best in the Premiership!
Still can't find anything confirming Carrick to United!
All I can find is stuff saying that it is close to being confirmed but nothing confirmed yet I don't think.
I think we need decent defenders, someone to keep Ferdinand going. Silvestre and Ferdinand both inconsistent, but when Ferdinand puts his mind into the game nothing can beat him. Only if a consistent decent defender with him that surely can boost his consistency.
thats what vidic is doing to rio...they compliment each other...brown is good too...to be honest...united's only problem is their Center Midfield...once done with that...things will start to look up once again...
I would rather have Brown than Vidic, Vidic seems to be a bit clumsy around the box, although he is probably better in the air than Brown, Brown is probably quicker.
Old news, I know... but
Ruud scored 150 goals for United in his five years at the club and is our all-time top scorer in Europe, with 47 goals.
What a great shame to see him go. Thanks for your contribution in the shirt Ruud. You are a world class goalscorer and that's why the biggest teams came in for you. United need more players of your calibre, not less. Best wishes for the future.
Now United need to buy a world class striker to replace him, two world class misfielders and a winger if Ronaldo leaves.
Lord Shrimpeh
28-07-2006, 11:34
BBC says the deal is nearly done. It also suggests it's £15 million not 17, which seems a bit fairer. Now get in Mascherano and maybe Trezeguet and we're sorted.
Papa Lazarou
28-07-2006, 11:49
BBC says the deal is nearly done. It also suggests it's £15 million not 17, which seems a bit fairer. Now get in Mascherano and maybe Trezeguet and we're sorted.
I wouldn't have Trezeguet personally...what about Luca Toni? he had a great season last season in Serie A
Toni would be great but I'm not sure he will leave Fiorientina now they are back in Serie A and if they did let him go they would bump up the price pretty high.
Papa Lazarou
28-07-2006, 13:54
What abut Jamvier Chevanton from Monaco, he's had several great seasons and he's only 23!! I'm sure we could prise him away
How about no!! :) fergie probably aint even heard of him.
We should buy mascha' and torres seems our only possible transfer.
You cant even compare sissy with carrick, sissy is awful on the ball and a poor passer of the ball.
Dr. Bob Kelso
28-07-2006, 14:02
How about no!! :) fergie probably aint even heard of him.
We should buy mascha' and torres seems our only possible transfer.
You cant even compare sissy with carrick, sissy is awful on the ball and a poor passer of the ball.
Torres is going no where and given where Macherano is it is a fair bet he is on his way to Chelski in the near future.
Torres IS NOT leaving so there is no point buying him.
Lord Shrimpeh
28-07-2006, 14:24
Ruud's passed his medical at Madrid (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/5219384.stm). Though all this sucking off Madrid when players sign is really annoying "best club in the world", "when madrid call there's no other choice", it's fucking annoying. They haven't even won anything for three years and the club is still so fucking arrogant. I couldn't care less about them. Hope Barca shows them they're still the dog's bollocks next season.
Ruud's passed his medical at Madrid (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/5219384.stm). Though all this sucking off Madrid when players sign is really annoying "best club in the world", "when madrid call there's no other choice", it's fucking annoying. They haven't even won anything for three years and the club is still so fucking arrogant. I couldn't care less about them. Hope Barca shows them they're still the dog's bollocks next season.
Yeah, he should just go 'mehhhh... it pays well...' ;)
Ofcourse he's excited to join Real Madrid. Its a big club, and for a 30 year old player that was benched by Fergy while he has been outstanding for 3-4 seasons, plus being benched by Van Basten, this must feel like a great relief for the guy.
Real seems like they could be competing for trophies again this season. Dont get me wrong, I dont like the club, but it would be nice to see some of those 'stars' finally playing as a team with god footbal. Hopefully Capello can bring that.
Stormrider
28-07-2006, 16:36
ouch 18 big ones for Carrick...surely we could've got someone better with that price? I mean 18mil for someone who can barely manage a game for their country. U don't see that too often. I think we could've got Patrick Viera for that price or even less?
The Drunkard
28-07-2006, 16:46
ouch 18 big ones for Carrick...surely we could've got someone better with that price? I mean 18mil for someone who can barely manage a game for their country. U don't see that too often. I think we could've got Patrick Viera for that price or even less?
Two things on the above statement.
1 How many great midfielder want to leave there current club.
2 Its not Carrick fault that Sven could not see he was a better player than Hargreaves or Sven always picked his favourates.
Yeah, he should just go 'mehhhh... it pays well...' ;)
Ofcourse he's excited to join Real Madrid. Its a big club, and for a 30 year old player that was benched by Fergy while he has been outstanding for 3-4 seasons, plus being benched by Van Basten, this must feel like a great relief for the guy.
Real seems like they could be competing for trophies again this season. Dont get me wrong, I dont like the club, but it would be nice to see some of those 'stars' finally playing as a team with god footbal. Hopefully Capello can bring that.
Why was Ruud benched by Fergie and Van Basten?
Answer: His attiude.
Papa put down the smack lad.
Two things on the above statement.
1 How many great midfielder want to leave there current club.
2 Its not Carrick fault that Sven could not see he was a better player than Hargreaves or Sven always picked his favourates.
Why was Ruud benched by Fergie and Van Basten?
Answer: His attiude.
Nothing wrong with his attitude. He's honest and works very hard. But Fergy doesnt like honesty when a player is honest and it's negative against his teammates or coach. It's widely know that the problems between Ruud en Fergy began when Keane criticised his teammates and the tactics, and Nistelrooy was the only one in the group to openly agree with Keane.
In Holland he was benched simply because he hadnt performed well enough in the first 3 matches in the world cup, but the problem was mainly that Robben very often neglected to pass the ball to his teammates, thus also Ruud, and the midfield didnt play close enough on him to combinate with him or play him in. Van Persie did well, but still Ruud didnt get enough balls.
Main problem this world cup was Van Basten's coaching.
He didnt play well, but he certainly wasnt solely to blame for it. A better coach would have found a solution to make Ruud perform better, instead of just throwing in a replacement striker while ignoring the cause of the problem.
Nothing wrong with his attitude. He's honest and works very hard. But Fergy doesnt like honesty when a player is honest and it's negative against his teammates or coach. It's widely know that the problems between Ruud en Fergy began when Keane criticised his teammates and the tactics, and Nistelrooy was the only one in the group to openly agree with Keane.
In Holland he was benched simply because he hadnt performed well enough in the first 3 matches in the world cup, but the problem was mainly that Robben very often neglected to pass the ball to his teammates, thus also Ruud, and the midfield didnt play close enough on him to combinate with him or play him in. Van Persie did well, but still Ruud didnt get enough balls.
Main problem this world cup was Van Basten's coaching.
He didnt play well, but he certainly wasnt solely to blame for it. A better coach would have found a solution to make Ruud perform better, instead of just throwing in a replacement striker while ignoring the cause of the problem.Total bollocks, his attitude has always been questionable.
Stormrider
28-07-2006, 16:58
Two things on the above statement.
1 How many great midfielder want to leave there current club.
2 Its not Carrick fault that Sven could not see he was a better player than Hargreaves or Sven always picked his favourates.
Like I said...Viera...18mil is what I would pay for a great midfielder. I don't watch Carrick too often. I think he's a good midfielder but he's definitely not great. Who said we have to spend 18mil on 1 midfielder anyways. If Viera didn't wanna join we can get 2 players for half of what we paid Spurs, and spend the other half to boost the attack.
Anyways...I sure hope he justifies the hefty fee...
The Drunkard
28-07-2006, 17:01
Nothing wrong with his attitude. He's honest and works very hard. But Fergy doesnt like honesty when a player is honest and it's negative against his teammates or coach. It's widely know that the problems between Ruud en Fergy began when Keane criticised his teammates and the tactics, and Nistelrooy was the only one in the group to openly agree with Keane.
In Holland he was benched simply because he hadnt performed well enough in the first 3 matches in the world cup, but the problem was mainly that Robben very often neglected to pass the ball to his teammates, thus also Ruud, and the midfield didnt play close enough on him to combinate with him or play him in. Van Persie did well, but still Ruud didnt get enough balls.
Main problem this world cup was Van Basten's coaching.
He didnt play well, but he certainly wasnt solely to blame for it. A better coach would have found a solution to make Ruud perform better, instead of just throwing in a replacement striker while ignoring the cause of the problem.
That is total, bollocks hes had training ground bust ups at united and with two managers of Holland. Ruud was not happy he was snubbed in the Carling Cup Final, but he was not willing to play in the meaningless early games. Ruud is a great player, but no one is bigger than the club.
Like I said...Viera...18mil is what I would pay for a great midfielder. I don't watch Carrick too often. I think he's a good midfielder but he's definitely not great. Who said we have to spend 18mil on 1 midfielder anyways. If Viera didn't wanna join we can get 2 players for half of what we paid Spurs, and spend the other half to boost the attack.
Anyways...I sure hope he justifies the hefty fee...
Ok Vieira is a great midfielder, but he old, Carrick is young and we have seen what Fergie can do with talented youngster.
Stormrider
28-07-2006, 17:08
Ok Vieira is a great midfielder, but he old, Carrick is young and we have seen what Fergie can do with talented youngster.
At 30 he can squeeze in about another 4 years. For 18mil I think 4 years would be worth it cuz this fan would like to see results now, not the future. Viera would definitely help the present, while Carrick will be better down the road. Get someone like Viera 1st to boost the chance of winning, then if we win get someone like Carrick.
I hope they prove me wrong tho, I definitely don't mind if Carrick turns out to be class :tongue:
vanNistelrooy
28-07-2006, 19:09
Ruud :crymore:
Phatmann
28-07-2006, 19:11
Ruud :crymore:
I know mate :crymore:
vanNistelrooy
28-07-2006, 19:16
SSN we've agreed a fee with Spurs for Carrick.
SSN we've agreed a fee with Spurs for Carrick.
How much?
Viperized
28-07-2006, 22:33
Considering English players are always over priced, I'm guessing the fee will be in the region of £20 million.
How we managed to get Rosicky for £6m while Man utd get Carrick for £17-20m (this is an estimate) is something that I'll never know. ;)
I would say its about 18m.
Man i felt like crying when i see ruud wearing a madrid shirt on ssn.
Torres is going no where and given where Macherano is it is a fair bet he is on his way to Chelski in the near future.
Chelsea cant keep buying every good player, and i still reckon torres could leave his club.
I can't believe we have spent £15+ million on Carrick, I would of thought £8 million maximum, there better be some money left for spending otherwise we are fucked.
Lord Shrimpeh
29-07-2006, 01:35
For fuck's sake, it's probably bout £15 million! Not £35 fucking million or whatever you guys are on about. It's a high price, but probably decent enough for an english player of Carrick's standard. Remember, Jermaine "I'm shit and have a girls name" Pennant cost the Scouser's £8 million
We still need another midfielder and maybe a striker aswell so there had better be enough money still, although saying that money seems to always appear from nowhere.
vanNistelrooy
29-07-2006, 11:23
Left winger anyone? Park isn't the finished article yet, and Giggs is getting on.
Has Park had a run of games to show you that he is the finished article?
Billy Minof
29-07-2006, 11:41
Ye shoulda went for the Duffer. ;)
We now got Senna from Villareal thats our midfield sorted ;)
On the bottom blue bit on Sky Sports news, its saying that reports in Spain are saying you are close to signing that Senna from Villareal.
He's a CM yes? Which is what you need.
Good luck next year by the way. :tongue:
:laugh:
Abit late there...
:D
Thank you very much...
Yea he is a Cm a bit on the old side but if we can get him a bit cheap its good, the Mascha' deal looks dead now for sure.
mufcsean
29-07-2006, 14:10
Left winger anyone? Park isn't the finished article yet, and Giggs is getting on.
I would think that once Giggs has stepped down, Richardson will take his place on the left.
I'm glad we signed Carrick but i think the price we are paying for him is a bit steep, it doesn't look like we will be getting Mascherano or Defoe anymore, i would of liked them at O.T but it seems that we will get Senna who was born in brazil so he must be good :tongue:
skullverine
29-07-2006, 14:16
reports says it's gonna be 10m for Senna
I would think that once Giggs has stepped down, Richardson will take his place on the left.
I'm glad we signed Carrick but i think the price we are paying for him is a bit steep, it doesn't look like we will be getting Mascherano or Defoe anymore, i would of liked them at O.T but it seems that we will get Senna who was born in brazil so he must be good :tongue:
Yeah, hopefully he will be as good as Man United's ex Brazilian born player, Kleberson.
We've signed Senna for as much money as we sold Ruud.
That's so bad, it's actually quite amusing.
Why not put down 8 million now with a further 8 million in 12 months time for Mascherano? 22 years old and mint.
Senna, like Carrick, whilst better than we currently have, aren't really good enough to play for United.
£6.8 million pounds is not bad for Senna.
Has this actually been confirmed, if so could someone find a link.
Correct me if I am wrong but doesnt Senna and Carrick more or less play in the same position which is sit in front of the defence?
Pretty much, but they play the role in a different way if you know what I mean.
Pretty much, but they play the role in a different way if you know what I mean.
Yh I know what you mean, I cant find a link which confirms that we have got him
All of the sports websites I have looked on haven't got anything saying it is actually a done deal, just saying it is close.
mufcsean
29-07-2006, 19:13
The only problem with signing these two is that they dont score many goals, last season carrick scored two and senna scored 4
Nothing confirmed yet, but also reports in italy claim mascha' has rejected fiorintina and spurs, and he has his heart set on United.
Stormrider
29-07-2006, 20:58
Wow this is pretty good news. I watched Senna on numerous occasions with Villareal and Spain and he does a pretty good job. He's decent in tackle n also has quite a rocket shot. 4 goals from a holding midfielder is very good mind you. If we offered £6.8m like Singh says then thats a perfect price for him. Much better than Kleberson imo.
And as for Carrick, I thought it was £18m... £15m helps a lil but I still think we overpaid. Anywho Carrick is not there to score goals, he gets around 6 assists per season, great for a holding/central MF and thats more than what Scholes averages mind you.
As for Mascherano, Argentines don't have a good record in the Prem. I think that has something to do with it. Remember the days of Veron? Carrick and Senna are proven European performers while Masch would be a gamble.
Well Heinze has done OK, so I think Mascherano will be alright as it isn't usually defensize players which do bad in another country as it isn't as hard to adapt. Out of Carrick, Senna and Mascherano I would of rather had Mascherano as he looked very good in the World Cup and he has a lot of years ahead of him.
Stormrider
29-07-2006, 21:35
Heinze has done a dam good job I'd say. 1 of the South American exceptions and we really missed him last season. For the same price I'd also try my luck with Mascherano over Senna, but it doesn't matter who we get now as they'll only be cover for Carrick and Scholes, whom I think are gonna clock lots of matches this season.
Well Heinze has done OK, so I think Mascherano will be alright as it isn't usually defensize players which do bad in another country as it isn't as hard to adapt. Out of Carrick, Senna and Mascherano I would of rather had Mascherano as he looked very good in the World Cup and he has a lot of years ahead of him.
Mascherano is world class.
Far better than Carrick and Senna, and he's younger too.
Carrick and Senna aren't good enough players to play for a team with supposed title aspirations, but paired with Mascherano that's a half-decent midfield.
Still, United paid far too much money for Carrick, and if reports are to be believed, we paid around 6.8 million for Senna too, which considering he's 30 years old and isn't really THAT good... is a lot of money.
Ruud was not happy he was snubbed in the Carling Cup Final, but he was not willing to play in the meaningless early games. Ruud is a great player, but no one is bigger than the club.
If no man is bigger than the club, Ferguson should not be allowed to let his personal vendettas get in the way of United's on-field quests. Or is Ferguson's famous intolerance of insubordinate players being used as a front for something wholly more disturbing - the sale of top players to help manage the debts incurred to buy our club?
Papa Lazarou
30-07-2006, 13:01
so, i assume the midfield for next season will be
C.Ronaldo.........Scholes..... ........Carrick............Gig gs
that is pretty dam good if ya ask me especially as we can always put on Park/Fletcher/Richardson to mix things up plus whatever new signing we may have.
Do ya reckon SAF will try and buy a new striker now?
mufcsean
30-07-2006, 13:09
Wow this is pretty good news. I watched Senna on numerous occasions with Villareal and Spain and he does a pretty good job. He's decent in tackle n also has quite a rocket shot. 4 goals from a holding midfielder is very good mind you. If we offered £6.8m like Singh says then thats a perfect price for him. Much better than Kleberson imo.
And as for Carrick, I thought it was £18m... £15m helps a lil but I still think we overpaid. Anywho Carrick is not there to score goals, he gets around 6 assists per season, great for a holding/central MF and thats more than what Scholes averages mind you.
As for Mascherano, Argentines don't have a good record in the Prem. I think that has something to do with it. Remember the days of Veron? Carrick and Senna are proven European performers while Masch would be a gamble.
I know that they are not there for goals i was just saying that that is the only problem with these two as the rest of their game is excellent
Scarface
30-07-2006, 13:28
-----------------------Senna----------------------
-------------Carrick--------------Scholes----------
------------Rooney--------------C.Ronaldo---------
-----------------------Saha-----------------------
?
If not, did you pay almost £7m for a player (Senna) as backup for Scholes and Carrick?
mufcsean
30-07-2006, 13:31
Looking at that squad has got me all excited there reyes mate but we havent actually paid anything yet so we dont know how much we will pay
Papa Lazarou
30-07-2006, 13:44
Looking at that squad has got me all excited there reyes mate but we havent actually paid anything yet so we dont know how much we will pay
there has been no source to suggest we even have Senna yet! Everyone hold yer horses!!
there has been no source to suggest we even have Senna yet! Everyone hold yer horses!!
United have signed Senna, expect a press conference on Monday.
Papa Lazarou
30-07-2006, 13:52
United have signed Senna, expect a press conference on Monday.
where's the source??
vanNistelrooy
30-07-2006, 17:46
On my chips! :lol:
Don't see why we need to sign two DMs to be honest.
Giggs won't last all season so expect to see Richardson to be given more of a chance. He's actually been playing half decent to deserve it too.
Phatmann
30-07-2006, 18:13
On my chips! :lol:
Don't see why we need to sign two DMs to be honest.
Giggs won't last all season so expect to see Richardson to be given more of a chance. He's actually been playing half decent to deserve it too.
:laugh:
Looks as though Saha will be playing more first team games this season then :shocking: Hopefully he's learned how to control the ball over the summer.
Stormrider
30-07-2006, 19:08
-----------------------Senna----------------------
-------------Carrick--------------Scholes----------
------------Rooney--------------C.Ronaldo---------
-----------------------Saha-----------------------
?
If not, did you pay almost £7m for a player (Senna) as backup for Scholes and Carrick?
I like this formation should Giggs be unavailable.
I doubt we'll get another striker tho. We know Rooney can play lone striker quite well on club level, should Saha get injured. Smith back as striker, Solskjaer, and Rossi. We have enough cover I think.
I think your all forgeting about Park ji Sung. I think he had a good season with us
Michael Carrick is in Manchester this morning to put his balls on a tablespoon and cough.
He's here to undergo a medical before United announce his £18.6million signing from Tottenham Hotspurs.
That's right, £18.6million.
Also, United fans have now 'accepted' the Glazers, according to big soccer fan Bryan Glazer.
"I think they have [accepted us]. I think they've seen that we haven't turned the place upside down," Glazer told Tampa sports radio station WDAE. "There aren't cheerleaders on the sidelines [sic].
"I have two loves: American football and European football."
Michael Carrick is in Manchester this morning to put his balls on a tablespoon and cough.
He's here to undergo a medical before United announce his £18.6million signing from Tottenham Hotspurs.
That's right, £18.6million.
unbelievable fee espiecally considering that barcelona and real madrid brought two world class players from juventus for less than that
Lord Shrimpeh
31-07-2006, 11:37
I think the person who said the fee didn't matter cos it was Glazier's money was right :p It is definately too much... but when have United ever paid a decent amount for players? I don't really understand it. Arsenal always manages to pay the fair amount. I just wish Fergie would buy a player who is good on PES once in a while...
I think the person who said the fee didn't matter cos it was Glazier's money was right :p It is definately too much... but when have United ever paid a decent amount for players? I don't really understand it. Arsenal always manages to pay the fair amount. I just wish Fergie would buy a play