Manchester United

[Singh]

I cant see tevez coming to man utd.

Carrick
Senna
And a Cf. Toni? Torres? Tevez? Baptista?

"We have targeted several players but in my experience, these things take time," said Ferguson.

"Michael will have his medical on Monday and then, hopefully, we will be able to conclude that deal."

[mufcsean]

I do not want Baptista i would rather play Rossi there

[Cali]

Out of them forward's mentioned Singh, i would rather get Toni.

[Guillermo]

Please, shoot me now. Carrick and Senna :(

You don't wanna know how excited I got when I heard we might get Mascherano. :unsure: But those wet dreams are dashed now.

[Joel]

You get over it, we shall see what happens.

Errrr....I have nothing to get over. I'm not the one who is continuously being told that Torres has said that he is not leaving Athletico Madrid this Summer.

[Singh]

Errrr....I have nothing to get over. I'm not the one who is continuously being told that Torres has said that he is not leaving Athletico Madrid this Summer.

Dont they all say that, i wouldnt be suprised if he left.

[Akineye]

Dont they all say that, i wouldnt be suprised if he left.

He won't leave this summer. He held a press conference saying exactly that about two days ago.

[Singh]

Fatty Balague reckons it was a smoke-screen, to keep the Athletico madrid fans sweet until he moves.

[Akineye]

I'd actually heard that second hand from a Spanish source.

I haven't seen the interview with Guillem when he's said it, but if it's true then it certainly adds a little credibility.

Torres is mega, and either him or Tevez would both be ample replacement for Ruud given his form in the past two years.

[Papa Lazarou]

well i'm glad we have Carrick and i reckon him and Scholesey will be a great midfield duo!

[mufcsean]

It makes me laugh loads of people have been saying that we paid to much for him but nobody knows how much we paid becuase the fee goes up to £18.6 if he does well, also everyone says he is to much but what if he does turn out to be the next Roy Keane, will they say we paid too much then?

[Lord Shrimpeh]

Apparently it's £13 million up front which ain't so bad. The rest appearences, trophies etc which to be honest if we won, we wouldn't mind :p

Senna sounds alright. The fee being talked about is £3 million which makes him good back up. I'd like Masha and Tevez/Torres to come in as well. Don't see the former though... later I'm not sure about either...

[mufcsean]

One of my mates suggested buying David Villa of Valencia, and to be honest i wouldn't mind him at O.T, but the problem is that because he had an O.K World Cup he would be overpriced, the problem is now buying a forward i wouldn't mind waiting a while for somebody to come in to the midfield just as long as we get a forward

[Singh]

Apparently the times which is quite reliable says we are after Kuyt now for 12Million, i wouldnt mind him but i would prefer likes of tevez or toni.

http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/premiership/article1207618.ece

[mufcsean]

kuyt is a very good player but i have to agree with you there Singh, Tevez or Toni would be a bettter signing i feel

[Singh]

Yea i suppose kuyt could do the job left by van, well at least we got carrick and he wears the no 16 shirt as worn by keane.

[]NikE[]

Good to see the Carrick deal finally being done.Looking forward to seeing him in action for the first time, most likely against Porto.
As for the striker situation i wouldn't mind kuyt he seems like a decent player and his goal tally is something to look at.I'm sure the likes of Tevez and Torres would be great at united aswell but i don't see them coming anytime soon, possibly next year for torres but we'll have to wait and see!

[mack10souljah]

Is seems like Fergie is pretty satisfied with the strikers by the way he commented about Rossi. Filling Ruud's shoes is going to be difficult for any of the current strikers right now. Does anyone think Saha can score 20+ goals next season? It seems like Fergie surely does...

[Akineye]

David Jones broke his arm in the friendly against Macclesfield last night, good job we signed Carrick earlier in the day then.

The game was finally won 2-1 by United.

Rooney netted his first goal since April, and Frazier Campbell shot home on 72 minutes.

Also, Ronaldo and Rooney are back together in training. And contrary to what the press would have you believe, they had already made up and the comments of Lampard, who watches his Chelsea team mates do exactly what Ronaldo did in the Portugal win over in-ger-land, have not stirred up trouble.

Still I look forward to the knobhead fans who'll boo our Ronnie whenever he gets the ball next season. Oh they already did....

Still, could be worse, England could have actually won the game.

[Guillermo]

It makes me laugh loads of people have been saying that we paid to much for him but nobody knows how much we paid becuase the fee goes up to £18.6 if he does well, also everyone says he is to much but what if he does turn out to be the next Roy Keane, will they say we paid too much then?

He won't turn into the next Roy Keane because they play with different styles, hence why Fergie is still on the look-out for the "next Keane", which is why I'm confused to why he'd want Senna, as he's not exactly got his best years ahead of him.

On the striker situation, I think we'll wait til next summer where we'll buy Torres. I think Fergie will be comfortable with Rooney, Saha, Rossi, Smith and Solskjaer for this season.

[Lord Shrimpeh]

Viera says he is looking for a new club and would be happy to join United (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/5233954.stm) interesting... I hope we get him. True Wenger disgarded him which doesn't suggest he is up to it anymore but I think he would have a point to prove and will be good for a season or two...

Senna meanwhile says he is happy where he is, though hasn't ruled out a move.

[vanNistelrooy]

Looks like a deal is already done with Inter, around £5.5m.

Those Lampard comments made me laugh, especially as Cole dives as much as Ronadlo does (plus the high pitched downs syndrome scream that comes with it).

[Cat Meat Teeth]

Get The Fuck Out Of My Thread,.................now

[vanNistelrooy]

Get The Fuck Out Of My Thread,.................now
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ha. Prick.

[Cat Meat Teeth]

u r an............................ .............................. .............................. .............................. ................asshole now go try and bann me nothing will happen i am invincible h ah h

[Papa Lazarou]

OOOKAAAYY

I'm not sure if i'd like to see Viera at United, i don't think he's what we need and he would be derided by alot of fans...what about De Rossi from Roma?

[Cat Meat Teeth]

shhhhh

[teztravis7]

OOOKAAAYY

I'm not sure if i'd like to see Viera at United, i don't think he's what we need and he would be derided by alot of fans...what about De Rossi from Roma?

Firstly awesome avatar mate, secondly i think the only italian midfielder i'd like at united is rino gattuso! ;)

[Guillermo]

I'm not sure if i'd like to see Viera at United, i don't think he's what we need and he would be derided by alot of fans...what about De Rossi from Roma?

Good player, shame about his temper. But if we are to get another central midfielder it's bound to be one of Vieira, Senna or Mascherano. Senna and Vieira are obviously a lot cheaper, and with the money Fergie's wasted on Carrick I'm sure he'd prefer to buy one of them instead of the more expensive (and much better) Mascherano. Fergie's not the type to suddenly snap up a player, it's usually those who he's had an eye on for a while e.g. Senna.

[mufcsean]

When i said about Carrick being the next Keane i know he doesn't usually play there but where will he be playing for United? In Keanes position, thats where. Gattuso isn't going anywhere, Vieira said he is intrested in a move to United but as he said it would be difficult for him after 9 years at Arsenal, although i would love him at O.T

[]NikE[]

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/4903/carrickpes5lz3.jpg
Looks cool :cool: lol

[Cat Meat Teeth]

feck off

[mufcsean]

looks good but had to be against spurs :tongue:

[Singh]

yea that apperance looks spot on.

[]NikE[]

I added him to my game as soon as i saw the pics :D

[Singh]

I know i have done the same thing, but ive also added Mascherano :erm:

[mufcsean]

I added Torres when it seemed there was no chance of him going anywhere but here at O.T, it pained me to put him back at Atletico

[mack10souljah]

We need Masherano! He's awesome in Winning Eleven 9. I doubt the statistics and growth chart are precise but it's probably very close. He also did very well in the World Cup... Senna is way too old for Fergie to sign. Hes not really world class also. Vieira will never come to OT. It just seems too odd.

[Singh]

I reckon we should put an offer in for cambiasso as vieria has now gone to inter, and heinze is good mates with Cambiaso aswell.

MF-Cambiasso or Mascherano.
CF- Tevez or Torres.

If only.

(Mascherano is also good on footy manager him and parker in the middle of midfield)

[mufcsean]

Yeah i agree Senna is old and would prefer Maschareno but to be honest i couldnt give a shit if we dont get either, people are concentrating to much on the midield but we need someone to partner Rooney

[Rambo]

I reckon we should put an offer in for cambiasso as vieria has now gone to inter, and heinze is good mates with Cambiaso aswell.

MF-Cambiasso or Mascherano.
CF- Tevez or Torres.

If only.

(Mascherano is also good on footy manager him and parker in the middle of midfield)
Inter wont sell Cambiasso, he is one of their best midfielders, he would be a good signing.

If we dont get Mascherano I think we should go for Mavuba. I am certain we can get him because last season he was always on the bench for his club. He is a great player and has the potential to become the new Makalele

[Singh]

Inter wont sell Cambiasso, he is one of their best midfielders, he would be a good signing

Worth a try though, who knows with a big offer inter might be tempted. An offer between 8-10 mill might do the job.

[Keyser Soze]

Stephen Appiah. Why has no-one gone in for this guy?

[mufcsean]

Worth a try though, who knows with a big offer inter might be tempted. An offer between 8-10 mill might do the job.
I agree i think he is quality but nobody seems to be intrested in him though, how old is he?

[Rambo]

Stephen Appiah. Why has no-one gone in for this guy?
I thought Arsenal went for him

I agree i think he is quality but nobody seems to be intrested in him though, how old is he?
I think he is 25 or 26

[mufcsean]

Still got plenty left in him then, he looks well older than 25/26

[Talyn]

Still got plenty left in him then, he looks well older than 25/26

The combover strand of hair doesn't help his case. Poor guy. :(

[JoeyM]

Stephen Appiah. Why has no-one gone in for this guy?

Appiah is one of Fenerbahce's best players and a fan favorite, not to mention that Fener don't need the money and Appiah doesn't seem to anxious to leave. Plus, it's Fener's centenary year, so chances are they won't sell one of their best players before a historical season unless it's for a huge fee.

[Guillermo]

NikE[']http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/4903/carrickpes5lz3.jpg
Looks cool :cool: lol

Where did you get the kit from? :ninja:

[Phatmann]

Anyone else been impressed by Darron Gibson in pre-season?

[mufcsean]

I was impressed by Eagles, Evans and Martin in the game vs Celtic they all had good a game

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

Shredding his legacy at every turn

Sir Alex Ferguson's brilliance famously knocked Liverpool off their perch. Now his incompetence is doing the same to Manchester United. How did it come to this, wonders Rob Smyth

Monday July 31, 2006
Guardian Unlimited


Winding down: Ferguson no longer has the stomach or the wit for the fight. Photograph: Getty.

It was John Cleese, in Clockwise, who said: "I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand." Manchester United fans would beg to differ. Usually, the best thing about pre-season is the hope: reality's incisors have yet to pierce the gums of optimism, and fans can live off the balmy, often barmy belief that this is their year. For supporters of most of the other 91 English clubs, that's the mood right now. For United fans? Forget it. After three seasons of papering over the cracks, it seems most United fans are awaiting the moment that the fault lines tracing a veiny path across Old Trafford are exposed.

Almost everything about the club reeks of disarray. Owned by the Glazers, who push buttons from a remote hideaway like Dr Evil; run by a manager who shreds his legacy at every turn; almost exclusively represented by the inadequate (Darren Fletcher and Kieran Richardson) and the odious (Rio Ferdinand); unable to close a deal for West Brom's reserve keeper, never mind the new Roy Keane. The signing of Michael Carrick, a Pirlo when a Gattuso was needed, is a band aid for a bullet wound, and a ludicrously expensive one at that.
If anything, it's a surprise that United have bought anyone at all. This summer, they have been like a pathetic drunk lumbering across a dancefloor at 1.45am, trying to get off with everything that moves. No matter how many people they move in for - and if reports are to be believed, United have made offers for dozens of players - nobody wants to go near them. And the one person who surely would, Damien Duff, was allowed to slip into the arms of Newcastle for less than United paid for Patrice Evra. You couldn't make it up. You don't have to.

United finished second last season, but that said more about the deficiency of the Premiership than their own. Arsenal will not have a four-month blind spot this season, while all evidence suggests that Liverpool's gradient will continue on its upward trajectory. With Tottenham getting stronger, even with the loss of Carrick, it is entirely conceivable that, if they start slowly, United could finish fifth; in today's environment, that would be disastrous.

The problems are so obvious, so fundamental, as to be beggar belief that they have not been addressed. Just as the glory years of 1992 to 2001 will only fully be appreciated in 20 years' time, so will Ferguson's subsequent failure. It is particularly bewildering that a man who once exerted such an unyielding grip on every single aspect of the club that he had to be virtually coerced into delegating has let things slip to this extent. Take the Cristiano Ronaldo situation: Ferguson said recently that he had not even spoken to Ronaldo since the World Cup, a staggering dereliction of duty that is in total contrast to the us-against-the-world protection that he gave to David Beckham - and for which, for a time, he was so thrillingly rewarded - in 1998.

Once upon a time Ferguson could play 'who blinks first' with fate and win every time, his iron will shaping his destiny exactly as he wanted. Now he is reduced to uttering garbage like "it's like having a new signing" of Paul Scholes, Ole Solskjaer, Gabriel Heinze and Alan Smith, the irrational if-I-say-it-enough-it-might-happen gibberish you'd associate with a serial loser like Kevin Keegan. These days, the man they call The Hairdryer is full of nothing but hot air.

Ferguson's squad, once so taut, is a baggy mess of has-beens, never-will-bes and Liam Miller. The simple repetition of 4-4-2, of Giggs, Scholes, Keane, Beckham, Cole and Yorke, has given way to myriad tactical and personnel changes, to a ruinous obsession with utility players and tinkering. It's a truly appalling fact that, with Ruud van Nistelrooy gone, none of United's outfield players have played in only one position at the club. A nadir was reached in the FA Cup game at Wolves last season, when nearly £60m of defensive and attacking talent (Ferdinand and Wayne Rooney) was used in the centre of midfield.

It is an increasingly inescapable conclusion that, unwittingly or otherwise, Ferguson is winding down, a prizefighter who no longer has the stomach or the wit for an admittedly enormous challenge which, once upon a time, he would have fervently inhaled. Like he did with Liverpool. Ferguson's almost maniacal yearning to "knock Liverpool off their fucking perch" was arguably the single most important factor in United's 1990s renaissance. It makes it all the more vicious an irony that, 10 years later, he should knock United off the perch he had made for them through increasingly rank mismanagement.

Indeed, it must irk him beyond belief that United are making exactly the same mistakes that Liverpool did: lack of pheromones in the transfer market; laughable, fall-back signings at suspicious and ridiculous prices; deluded ramblings ("we are as good as Chelsea, no question") - and, worst of all, a dressing-room where playing the field seems as important as playing the game. Liverpool's Spice Boys were bad, but they have nothing on Merk Berks like Ferdinand, Richardson and Wes Brown.

Ferguson has taken this end-of-an-empire template and, incredibly, managed to develop it: he's added a sprawling, outsized squad chock-full of obscenely well-paid deadwood; insultingly obvious spin that a two-year-old could see through (the Van Nistelrooy saga); economy with the truth (Ferguson ridiculed a journalist for saying that Paul Scholes had been scouting for United; a few days later Scholes confirmed the story); a coaching set-up that had Wayne Rooney playing wide for a season and turned Ronaldo from the world's most thrilling off-the-wall talent into a run-of-the-mill winger.

Ferguson, an essentially honourable man, is partly suffering because of the impossibly high standards he set, and he carries the fatigued incomprehension of a man who is out of time. When he cites his favourite United team it is not the Treble-winners of 1999, but the Double-winners of 1994: Schmeichel, Bruce, Pallister, Ince, Keane, Hughes, Cantona, Robson - a team that dripped masculinity, who bonded over blockbusting Saturday-night sessions, who embodied the old-school values to which Ferguson can relate. Real men. The gentrification generation - sarong-wearing, pink champagne-swigging metrosexuals - are entirely beyond his comprehension. He could handle one, David Beckham, for a time before eventually giving up on him. Now he has a pack of them, for whom the hairdryer means only one thing - a trip to Toni & Guy. It is a different world. Ferguson probably doesn't even know what 'merk' means.

Everywhere, principles are being sacrificed. In years gone by Ferdinand - who for all his irrefutable ability is the type of character whose presence in a United shirt symbolises everything that has gone wrong with the club - would've been out the door faster than Paul Ince could say 'big-time Charlie', but now Ferguson can't afford to lose his only world-class defender. In years gone by he wouldn't have considered signing someone like Patrick Vieira, on grounds of age or character, but now he is left looking for someone, anyone, to appease the fans. In years gone by he would never have given a game to someone like John O'Shea, whose sole use is to put the podge in a hodgepodge midfield. In years gone by, he would never have sanctioned the mediocre football that, except for a few giddy weeks in the spring of 2003, United have played ever since Carlos Queiroz arrived in 2002 masquerading gobbledygook as continental sophistication.

And the thing is, it is only going to get worse: Liverpool, Arsenal and Tottenham have all made shrewd, cheap signings and are on an upward trajectory. United are going the other way: they are hugely dependent on Ferdinand and Rooney, but no amount of Carling Cup medals is going to sate their ambition. Then there is the Glazer factor, the full, inevitable horror of which is only just beginning to emerge. United fans think this season is going to be bad. It hasn't even started.

http://football.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1827876,00.html

[Papa Lazarou]

This article is just a scathing attack on United and Fergie in particular...it's trying to pull the club apart and is entirely unuseful and unnecesary

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

This article is just a scathing attack on United and Fergie in particular...it's trying to pull the club apart and is entirely unuseful and unnecesary

While I agree the article is scathing to say the least it does raise some interesting points and comparissons to how Ferguson would have reacted in days gone by. I don't agree with everything in the article however the underlying principle is that you are not the force you should be, this much I do agree with.

[Stormrider]

Is seems like Fergie is pretty satisfied with the strikers by the way he commented about Rossi. Filling Ruud's shoes is going to be difficult for any of the current strikers right now. Does anyone think Saha can score 20+ goals next season? It seems like Fergie surely does...

Saha has scored 20 goals b4 so I think he's capable, as long as he gets over his injury woes which I think he has. His form at the end of last season was really good and I think he'll be healthy and banging them in this season. I'm predicting around 17 goals with 7 assists in the Prem. Cuz he's more of a team player then Ruud that means Rooney has a chance of scoring more which cancels out Ruud's numbers :)

Tevez...y r u guys so excited over such a short striker atm? I know he's quite a good striker who plays with lots of energy but we need a big strong target man. Our stable is short enough as it is, we don't need to add 168cm striker. If only Ruud was more of a team player...Toni would fit the bill perfectly.

p.s. I think Solskjaer is gonna add around 10 goals from the bench, so who needs Ruud right? :)

[Billy Minof]

p.s. I think Solskjaer is gonna add around 10 goals from the bench, so who needs Ruud right? :)

:rolleyes: Ya right....

[Stormrider]

:rolleyes: Ya right....

If u a ManU fan be more optimistic. Seems to me like ur in the wrong neighbourhood tho.

Lookin at his record and skills, and looking at other old man supersubs like Del Piero, 10 goals is not that far of a reach ;)

[Akineye]

While I agree the article is scathing to say the least it does raise some interesting points and comparissons to how Ferguson would have reacted in days gone by. I don't agree with everything in the article however the underlying principle is that you are not the force you should be, this much I do agree with.

The article's absoloutley right, it's just a shame that the man responsible for knocking Liverpool off their pirch is the same man who is standing aside letting them back on it now.

Next season we'll see Alan Smith playing his own brand of crab football, trying to replace Ruud after already failing to replace Keano. We've missed out on signing Riquelme, Gattusso, Pirlo, Vieira, Mascherano, Cambiasso, Emerson, Nedved, Zambrotta, Cannavaro, Ballack, Ibrahimovich... or any other player for that matter, and instead have opted for a severely overpriced geordie plodder.

United cancelled the press trip on the pre-season tour to South Africa due to "lack of interest". That's the club line. The reality is different.

Papers are boycotting it in protest to last year's fiasco when they paid thousands of pounds to go to the Far East only for SAF to sit there snarling for two weeks, refusing to speak to them or allow the journalists to talk to any of the players. The crime of the papers? Printing the truth about an argument with Roy Keane - which SAF denied had ever happened.

United are no longer the draw we were, nor had the club made any new signings and the the club sent a weakened side to South Africa.

We know we won't win the league, but since Glazer and SAF know that we won't finish any lower than fourth, they're not worried about losing the lucrative European revenue.

It's exactly what I've been saying to every single person that would listen since Glazer took over. Sadly, at that time a significant proportion of reds believed that Glazer may actually be BENEFICIAL to the club, and we're quite contented to simply 'wait and see'. Turning the clock back this time last year, it's safe to say that there would have been a lot more people attending the protests with us having seen what life is like under Glazer.

The knock on effects from this will involve Rooney wanting out, other players being sold to balance the books and attendances nosediving. This, of course, will also mean, ultimately, the failure of Malcolm Glazer's regime at Manchester United Football Club and the opportunity for the supporters to step in again, buy the club, and run it the way it should be run. Alex Ferguson is and always will be a Red. Or is he? Or is he not? I just don't know anymore…

[o0oGedo0o]

milan have backed out from fernando torres, think we got a chance now?

[mufcsean]

Tevez...y r u guys so excited over such a short striker atm? I know he's quite a good striker who plays with lots of energy but we need a big strong target man. Our stable is short enough as it is, we don't need to add 168cm striker. If only Ruud was more of a team player...Toni would fit the bill perfectly.

p.s. I think Solskjaer is gonna add around 10 goals from the bench, so who needs Ruud right? :)

WE NEED RUUD, have you seen his goal record it is unbelievable it is going to be hard to replace him.


Regarding Tevez, he is awesome and dont you forget it, here are his personal awards:

2005 – Campeonato Brasileiro's Best Player by CBF (Brazilian Soccer Confederation)
2005 – Campeonato Brasileiro's Best Player (Brazilian Placar magazine)
2004 – Olimpia de Oro award for Argentine most important Sportperson of the year (Shared with Basketball player Manu Ginobili) (Clarín newspaper)
2004 – Olympic Golden Boot (8 goals in 6 matches)
2003, 2004 and 2005 – South American Player of the Year (Uruguayan newspaper El País)

He has been awarded South American player of the year 3 times running now you have to be something special to do that if you ask me

[Akineye]

WE NEED RUUD, have you seen his goal record it is unbelievable it is going to be hard to replace him.


Regarding Tevez, he is awesome and dont you forget it, here are his personal awards:

2005 – Campeonato Brasileiro's Best Player by CBF (Brazilian Soccer Confederation)
2005 – Campeonato Brasileiro's Best Player (Brazilian Placar magazine)
2004 – Olimpia de Oro award for Argentine most important Sportperson of the year (Shared with Basketball player Manu Ginobili) (Clarín newspaper)
2004 – Olympic Golden Boot (8 goals in 6 matches)
2003, 2004 and 2005 – South American Player of the Year (Uruguayan newspaper El País)

He has been awarded South American player of the year 3 times running now you have to be something special to do that if you ask me

Both Tevez and Torres are absoloutley top notch strikers, and either one would make a brilliant replacement for Ruud.

However with the money spent on bringing Carrick to United, it looks like Fergies all but given up on signing a Ruud replacement. Watch that backfire on him- Rooney is brilliant, but not prolific, Saha is a good player when on form, but definitely not in the same league as Ruud, and whilst Rossi has the potential to be an excellent player, it's too much (nor is he good enough) to expect him to make any more than cup appearances next season.

United's strikerforce is comparable to any other team in the league. Arguably stronger than Chewsee's, definitely stronger than Liverpool. The difference is that Ballack, Lampard and Gerrard will all score more than ten goals a season, and United STILL don't have anybody in midfield capable of doing that.

With the Senna deal still an option at around £4m United may well get a defensive midfielder this summer. The real shame is that the club hasn't had the balls to test Corinthians reserve and bid for the excellent Javier Masacherano - a player with both technical ability and bite, who could dominate a central midfield in a 4-4-2 formation. Added to the fact that United all but look to have given up on signing a replacement for Ruud, not only does our midfield still look terrible (and presuming SAF starts Ronaldo, Carrick, Scholes and Giggs, probably THE most lightweight midfield in the championship) the habitually 'safe as houses' forward situation looks terrible too.

Exactly where does SAF expect that goals to come from?

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

Tevez strikes me as a player who is great when everything is going great. Personally I think he is overrated and not half the player people make him out to be. He was South American player of the year 3 years runnning ? So what name anyone else who was in the race. Olympic Golden Boot ? I watched that competition and the level of performance was laughable. Sports person of the year ? Well that was a farce as Manu should definetly have won but Football is bigger than Basketball. Best player in Brazils answer to Chelski ? Whoop de doo. He is a good player in his own right but on the world stage there are far better players who don't get anywhere near the same credit.

[Zoolander]

Everyone seems to be worried about goals!! I'd like the defence to tighten up first. We seem let in soft goals.

[Lord Shrimpeh]

Unfourtunately a lot of what the article says is true. Although the team is better than they make out and it is overly negative. Next season is very important I feel, without improvement something will have to change. Namely, Fergie. However, it's not even started yet so there's still room for hope. Who knows what will happen.

[mack10souljah]

So it looks like we aren't going to get anymore players except for maybe Senna. Hopefully Saha does score 17+ goals because without that type of consistency from our strikers, we won't be lifting any big time trophies...

[vanNistelrooy]

Tevez strikes me as a player who is great when everything is going great.
Sounds like Bellamy, but I'm sure you'll find an argument against that :rolleyes:

I saw Tevez at OT for a friendly a few years back when he was at Boca. Butt and Scholes niggling at him pushed him over the edge and he got sent off. Before the match my Dad had pointed out Tevez as the player SAF had been scouting. Shame we didn't go for him then.

[mufcsean]

Has anybody got Carrick on the back of their shirt yet, i ask because i was in the Arndale today and i saw this ultimate dick with carrick 21 on the back of his shirt, now correct me if i'm wrong but Carrick will be wearing the number 16 won't he, and before someone says he might be called Carrick and be aged 21, that couldn't be true because he was Asian and about 10

[Guillermo]

Just read this (http://home.skysports.com/transferarticle.aspx?hlid=4073 23) article on sky sports.


Ferguson rejected suggestions that some supporters have been less than thrilled with the transfer activity during the close season.

"Have you got witness to that? It's just your opinion," countered the Scot. "I'm happy with the squad I've got. I must say they're a good bunch of players.

Erm Fergie..you're wrong :erm:

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

Sounds like Bellamy, but I'm sure you'll find an argument against that :rolleyes:

I saw Tevez at OT for a friendly a few years back when he was at Boca. Butt and Scholes niggling at him pushed him over the edge and he got sent off. Before the match my Dad had pointed out Tevez as the player SAF had been scouting. Shame we didn't go for him then.

Ah well if your dad said so I am totally in shock he is not at Old Ratford as we speak!

My aunites uncles grandads dogs chipmunk twice removed swears we are signing David Villa next week.

I can't wait.

[mufcsean]

Ah well if your dad said so I am totally in shock he is not at Old Ratford as we speak!

My aunites uncles grandads dogs chipmunk twice removed swears we are signing David Villa next week.

I can't wait.
Is he/she a reliable source

[Original?]

Ah well if your dad said so I am totally in shock he is not at Old Ratford as we speak!

My aunites uncles grandads dogs chipmunk twice removed swears we are signing David Villa next week.

I can't wait.

Do you practise being a cunt or is one of you many natural gifts?

[Billy Minof]

Do you practise being a cunt or is one of you many natural gifts?

Natural I reckon these days, took alot of practice but is now a artform. :D

[Keyser Soze]

He is a good player in his own right but on the world stage there are far better players who don't get anywhere near the same credit.
Love the way you make statements like these despite having not seeing much of the player. :rolleyes:

[Zoolander]

I wish we would get rid of Darren Fletcher the shitbag!!!

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

Love the way you make statements like these despite having not seeing much of the player. :rolleyes:

Love the way you assume I haven't seen much of him.

Anyway you are only sticking up for him as he plays for your illegal feeder club ;).

[Keyser Soze]

Love the way you assume I haven't seen much of him.

Anyway you are only sticking up for him as he plays for your illegal feeder club ;).
Well, no. It was the same with the Pennant discussion and you were trying to state things to Huw as if you'd seen more than a Brum season ticket holder.

Yep, that must be it. :rolleyes: Anyway, going off-topic here...

I wish we would get rid of Darren Fletcher the shitbag!!!
Despite the midfield crisis? What's going on with Senna aswell?

[Singh]

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=407532&CPID=23&clid=449&lid=2&title=Villarreal+accepting+Sen na+fate

Villarreal coach Manuel Pellegrini has admitted that Marcos Senna is edging closer to a move to Manchester United

[Papa Lazarou]

Is Senna that good? i mean he's 30 so he's on the wrong side of old but if he brings experience and some good ability then i don't mind

And don't get rid of Fletcher i personally think he's a good player, may not get many games this season though...

[Rambo]

Fletcher may not be that good but we need backup players incase of injuries

[Singh]

Senna is a good solid player, its clear he is only a short term MF. Him and carrick couldnt be more different and they would work well together im sure, he will settle in easily and prove a bargain.

Fletconaldino is a good player, but needs to go to the gym and bulk up.

[Rambo]

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=407493&CPID=8&clid=1&lid=10&title=Pique+deal+all+but+done
Pique is being loaned to Zaragoza for a year. Hopefully it will go well for him at Zaragoza and gain experience

[Papa Lazarou]

I reckon Pique will come back as a solid and very good player, he should get a fair amount of games there too!

ok two points

A) Who the hell is Fletconaldino?
B) What happened to Dave Jones?

[mufcsean]

Yeah pique should gain a lot of experience there, i heard he had an excellent U17 championship aswell, i think fletconaldinho is Fletcher and i dont recall anyone called Dave JOnes unless you mean the former Wolves Manager

[Singh]

Ritchie jones? David Jones?

Fletconaldinho is Fletcher...

[Papa Lazarou]

i mean Dave Jones, last season he was on loan to Preston (i think) then some dutch team (NAC Breda maybe?) i just wondered what happened to him

[Stormrider]

WE NEED RUUD, have you seen his goal record it is unbelievable it is going to be hard to replace him.


Regarding Tevez, he is awesome and dont you forget it, here are his personal awards:

2005 – Campeonato Brasileiro's Best Player by CBF (Brazilian Soccer Confederation)
2005 – Campeonato Brasileiro's Best Player (Brazilian Placar magazine)
2004 – Olimpia de Oro award for Argentine most important Sportperson of the year (Shared with Basketball player Manu Ginobili) (Clarín newspaper)
2004 – Olympic Golden Boot (8 goals in 6 matches)
2003, 2004 and 2005 – South American Player of the Year (Uruguayan newspaper El País)

He has been awarded South American player of the year 3 times running now you have to be something special to do that if you ask me


Ruud: Very single minded. Does not work well in a strike partnership. Seen him block many of our own shots as well. So yes we lose a 25+ goalscorer but he's not in the same class as Henry who can do 25+ as well as making everyone around him score. Saha n Rooney partnership looks better. If Rooney is healthy I'm sure he can hit 20 and we have some capable n unselfish strikers in Saha and Solskjaer, which overall should equal or surpass Ruud's production.

Look at it like this. Ruud won't bother fighting for a place or allowing Saha or Sols any time. He wants to be the man. Rooney needs to play as many games as he can. So if u keep Ruud u bench him he cries, u play him n Saha, Sols, and Smith won't get many games.
Production: 15 from Rooney + 22 from Ruud + 5 from Saha + 3 from Sols + 1 from Smith = 46

Life without Ruud: We know Saha and Sols r content coming off the bench and happy fighting for a place, improving each other's play. Sols actually plays better as a sub, giving him the title supersub. Both are unselfish, allowing others more opportunities.
Production: 15 from Rooney + 15 from Saha + 8 from Sols + 5 from Smith = 43.
Not too much different from life with Ruud is it? And I was being generous here as I believe Rooney can hit 20. So instead of believing Ruud ruined our season, I believe the situation improved :)

Tevez: y are u giving me all this mumbo jumbo? Do u even watch the South American leagues? Do u know how short the players are there? Tevez is a midget in the Prem. If he was such a special player he would've been snatched already. He's a decent shadow striker but he's better suited for La Liga. We got Rooney we don't need another tiny shadow striker.

[Stormrider]

i mean Dave Jones, last season he was on loan to Preston (i think) then some dutch team (NAC Breda maybe?) i just wondered what happened to him

He played in our pre season, got injured. Read the very last paragraph.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=374745&cc=5901

[Kairoshousen]

fucken losers

[mufcsean]

Whop do you support Kairo

[Zoolander]

But come on would we really miss Fletcher? All he does i pass backwards.

[Joel]

Whop do you support Kairo

The idiot supports Real Madrid. How a Madrid fan can call United losers is quite funny.

[Phatmann]

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=407684&CPID=8&clid=1&lid=4161&title=Baggies+repel+third+bid+ for+keeper

West Bromwich Albion have rejected a £2.5 million bid from Manchester United for shot stopper Tomasz Kuszczak.

[Lord Shrimpeh]

Why does Fergie keep bidding for this guy? I mean, what's so good about him? Even a reserve keeper for Man Utd should have some class. At least be a talent for the future or something.

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=407684&CPID=8&clid=1&lid=4161&title=Baggies+repel+third+bid+ for+keeper

West Bromwich Albion have rejected a £2.5 million bid from Manchester United for shot stopper Tomasz Kuszczak.

Got Chris Kirkland written all over him.

[vanNistelrooy]

Got Chris Kirkland written all over him.
He should have a wash then.

[mufcsean]

United shouldnt buy kuzcaszk (whatever), he is not a good keeper i would go for somebody like Viera of Villareal he is quality

[Rambo]

United shouldnt buy kuzcaszk (whatever), he is not a good keeper i would go for somebody like Viera of Villareal he is quality
I have seen him play in La liga and he is not impressive.

I would prefer Kuzcaszk. Last season he was quite impressive especially against us. btw who is our 2nd keeper for this season?

[Singh]

Foster.

Fergie should give up signing this piece of shite, buy a CF for fucks sake.

[mufcsean]

Foster.

Fergie should give up signing this piece of shite, buy a CF for fucks sake.
Couldn't agree more

[Lami]

If going for a GK then try Gomes of Eindhoven. He's been consistent and solid.

Edit: Oh and maybe go for Dida incase Milan got Buffon?

[Rambo]

If so then I dont see the point of buying kuzcaszk and plus Van der saar has signed a contract extention

[mufcsean]

How long is the contract for?

[mack10souljah]

If so then I dont see the point of buying kuzcaszk and plus Van der saar has signed a contract extention


VDS hasn't signed a contract extention according to reports I've read from skysports. He still has the first 2 year contract. I don't think he'll get an extention until around halfway into the season to see his form and whether his age is getting in the way. Isn't he 35?

As for the West Brom goalkeeper that I cannot spell... They are asking for Rossi on loan in return. I say screw them and buy a post player like Klose. However, if VDS would to get injured during the season, this would be a very big blow to Man U because Foster probably won't be able to step in right away. I can understand Fergie's desire to get another goalkeeper, but at the price of losing Rossi? I don't think so...

[Rambo]

Well VDS has one year left on his contract and I was told that we are offering him a one year extension

[teztravis7]

If we are gonna go for a keeper we should go for the best buffon. As for a Cf then either Torres or klose.

[deftones5]

aparantly ibrahimovic does not want to play in serie B at all and is considering legal action, so please god fergie get your finger out and bring a real big name in!

[Guillermo]

Why the hell are we actually trying to get a keeper? Fergie's gone and loaned out two of them, no idea why, should have kept Howard as backup.

[mufcsean]

yeah actually why loan out 2 keepers and try and buy a new one, it doesn't make sense to me, it would seem we will get Senna sometime next week :D

[Jonny2J]

Rooney. :laugh:

[vanNistelrooy]

Repuation got him sent off. Oh and the Portugirl acting like a Portugal.

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

Rooney + Portugal = Red card. Bang out of order, for all the people who were moaning about how the English make excuses because it's their team, I hate Man United but what just happened to Rooney is a farce. That ref should never be allowed to ref a game involving any top teams ever again.

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

What a goal from Pepe!!!!! Can't defend worth a shite but man can he hit a ball.

[mack10souljah]

Rooney + Portugal = Red card. Bang out of order, for all the people who were moaning about how the English make excuses because it's their team, I hate Man United but what just happened to Rooney is a farce. That ref should never be allowed to ref a game involving any top teams ever again.

Agreed. That Argentian ref eventually got to participate in the championship game! Repeated mistakes in the England vs. Portugal game and the Korea vs. Swiss (He missed two handballs in the penalty box! and eventually ignored the offside flag of the linesman!) The guy is nuts and I hope he trips and falls into quicksand....

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

Let me set the scene. You are in the middle of Holland playing a meaningless friendly do you a) sing the names of your heroes b) sing about Liverpool F.C as you are obssesed with us c) both.

You wonder why we hate you so much. Get over us will you.

"Murderers, Murderers". Classy.

[Rambo]

3-1. A good win, DAMN Pepe scored one hell of a goal

The Rooney sending off was a joke and the ref was shit, hopefully he will not send the match report to the FA otherwise we are fucked

As for scholes everyone knows he can not tackle to save his life

[Joel Rojo]

Oh and maybe go for Dida incase Milan got Buffon?

Have you seen Dida play in the last couple of years? Anyway, I would hope you signed him, since I favor Arsenal and Milan, and you'd be doing a favor to both teams by getting Dida.

[vanNistelrooy]

Mainz. Hahahahahaha.

[Hunter]

3-1. A good win, DAMN Pepe scored one hell of a goal

The Rooney sending off was a joke and the ref was shit, hopefully he will not send the match report to the FA otherwise we are fucked

As for scholes everyone knows he can not tackle to save his life

Yeah, it was a joy to see Pepe's goal fly in to be honest. Goal of the tournament surely ?

Ginga Ninja may have a wild tackle which is his usual but in this case I don't believe he made any contact judging from the replays. Despite not making contact he still probably deserved to go through the sheer wrecklessness of the challenge. However a second yellow was a dead-cert, to hand him a straight red again demonstrated the referee's retardedness (unless theres a rule to specifiy this).

[mufcsean]

What score do you wreckon for tonights game then boys

[Hunter]

I'm going to stick my neck out on this one:

Ajax 1 - 2 United

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

2-0 Ajax.

[mufcsean]

i think and hope it will be 3-1 as i have had a £10 bet at the bookies

[vanNistelrooy]

2-0 Ajax.
5-0 Mainz :tongue:

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

5-0 Mainz :tongue:

Liverpool 1-0 Man United (Crouch '18) :P

[vanNistelrooy]

Liverpool 1-0 Man United (Crouch '18) :P

I must admit, that weekend I was probably the illest I've ever been and that just topped off a really wank weekend :tongue:

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

Any luck on a new name yet ? Martin might not be a bad one if he keeps improving at the rate he is.

[vanNistelrooy]

Alot of our youths look good. Rossi, Evans, Richardson. I hear Rangers are interested in Martin.

No luck on the name change yet. Feel free to make SENSIBLE suggestions in the thread I made :)

[Singh]

Evans looked strong today, he had hunterlaar in his back pocket. Martin had a good game and so did fletcher, pretty easy could of been more.

Sad to see Carrick get injurd.

[Jonny2J]

Alot of our youths look good. Rossi, Evans, Richardson. I hear Rangers are interested in Martin.

No luck on the name change yet. Feel free to make SENSIBLE suggestions in the thread I made :)Get Huntelaar as he'll be nicking the Dutch shirt off Ruud anytime soon.

[Singh]

Thats if van basten ever picks him.

[vanNistelrooy]

...and if he plays better than he did tonight.

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

Get Huntelaar as he'll be nicking the Dutch shirt off Ruud anytime soon.

Can't really see Ajax saying here you go take our saviour and the player we are building our side around.

[Jonny2J]

Can't really see Ajax saying here you go take our saviour and the player we are building our side around.Didn't say Man Yoo would be buying him did i, i just said he'll be thieving the Dutch shirt off Ruud soon.

...and if he plays better than he did tonight.Within two years he'll be regarded as one of the finest forwards around.

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

Didn't say Man Yoo would be buying him did i, i just said he'll be thieving the Dutch shirt off Ruud soon.

Within two years he'll be regarded as one of the finest forwards around.

Yeah but I would assume he would want a name appertaining to United.

[Jonny2J]

Yeah but I would assume he would want a name appertaining to United.It was just a thought. :tongue:

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

It was just a thought. :tongue:

Double Glazer ? Glazerlight ?

[Papa Lazarou]

It was a good match last night, i thought Martin played really well as did our defence.

And Dave Jones turned up!! although the commentator said he was probaby on his way out which was odd seeing as he was captain of the reserves and widely tipped to go into the first team this season...we'll have to wait and see i suppose

it's balls what happened to Carrick though...we'll definately have to buy another midfielder now!

[Rambo]

Rooney will be available for the beginning of the season which is a relief and I think Scholes will be available which is good for our midfield but Carrick will definatly miss the beginning of the season

[Billy Minof]

Looks like ye lost out on Diarra...


Diarra happy with Real interest

Lyon midfielder Mahamadou Diarra has expressed his happiness that Real Madrid want to sign him.

Reports in Spain have suggested that Real are close to agreeing a deal with the French champions for Diarra.

Though there is currently disparity in the respective clubs' valuation of the Mali international, speculation claims an agreement is imminent.

Real are willing to offer players in part-exchange to help push through the transfer as new coach Fabio Capello continues to mould his squad.

Capello has already brought in one defensive midfielder in the guise of Emerson, but also wants to add Diarra to his ranks.

The 25-year-old was unwilling to expand on the possibility of a move, but conceded he is flattered by interest from the Spanish titans.

"I cannot speak of Madrid," Diarra told As.

"I am very happy with the interest of Fabio Capello and Madrid in me.

"Real Madrid is a great team, but I cannot say more."

[Singh]

We dont need him he seems a bit too over-priced, if anything we need a striker.

Tevez would do nicely, as many of the papers are suggesting.

[Rambo]

I would rather spend £18 million on Diarra than Carrick. Our interest in him dampened as the months went by

[Singh]

The deal will never reach the maxium £18.5 million, and even if it does utd wont really care. The Carrick deal was about, 13 million.

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

The deal will never reach the maxium £18.5 million, and even if it does utd wont really care. The Carrick deal was about, 13 million.

How do you know ? Surely you would want the deal to reach 18 Mill given it is probably things like Appearances, England caps, European bonus or whatever.

[vanNistelrooy]

£12m of it wasn't even budgeted for as it came from the whole greedy cunt Mikel deal. Carrick is a proven player in this division where Diarra could be another Veron or Kleberson.

European bonus or whatever.
Another campaign like the last and that bonus won't trigger!

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

So in theory you have paid 6 million for Carrick. Nicely done. I've already said I would much rather have the 12 million than Obi Mikel.

[Singh]

How do you know ? Surely you would want the deal to reach 18 Mill given it is probably things like Appearances, England caps, European bonus or whatever.

Most of the contract terms mean carrick has to win cups i.e. the premiership and the Champions league and lets be honest thats unlikely to happen especially the latter.

Also as ruud mentioned we got the fee for obi who never played a single game for utd and also from the sale of Nistelrooy and spector.

[Stella Artois]

Most of the contract terms mean carrick has to win cups i.e. the premiership and the Champions league and lets be honest thats unlikely to happen especially the latter.

How the fuck do you know those are the terms of the contract? You don't, so shut it.

[Singh]

How the fuck do you know those are the terms of the contract? You don't, so shut it.

Yes i do know the terms, so you shut it. If you listened to what Gill said earlier last week or done your research on topics before you commented on them, then you would know what im saying is correct.

[Stella Artois]

Feel free to show me any links. I fail to believe Jol would be stupid enough to agree to you lot only paying the extra money should you win the Premiership as I don't see that happening in the next decade or so.

[vanNistelrooy]

should you win the Premiership as I don't see that happening in the next decade or so.
We're not the only team :rolleyes:

[mufcsean]

Who do we play next? It says that its seville on the official site but i'm sure we play somebody on tuesday

[Stella Artois]

We're not the only team :rolleyes:

I don't remember this thread being about Arsenal, do you?

[vanNistelrooy]

I don't remember this thread being about Arsenal, do you?
Correct, that is true. I didn't aim that at Arsenal, I aimed it at pretty much every team except Chelski.

[Stella Artois]

Too true...

Still waiting Singh.

[Hunter]

Technically Carrick wouldn't have cost us anything in the way of budgeted funds.

£12m from the Mikel deal.
£10m from the Ruud deal.

£14m for Carrick, with an initial £4m paid out. We haven't even touched the £20m funds the Glazer family claim to be giving us this Summer.

Senna for around the £5m mark too.

[Stella Artois]

So for pretty much the whole time Wenger has been here, we've spent next-to-nothing?

Anelka - £500,000 > £23m

We then used that money to buy others.

Overmars - £7.5m > £25m

etc etc.

Either way, whether previous funds have budgeted for Carrick or not, you still paid far too much for him.

[Lami]

Can someone tell me why don't Man Utd go for Maniche? He's a workhorse good at both defending and attacking. I think if i was a manager i'd like to have both Maniche and Gattuso in MF. Won't talk about Gattuso here considering he wants to stay at Milan specially after them allowed to participate in CL. Maniche mates, what do you think?

[Stella Artois]

Because he was shit for Chelsea last year.

[Lami]

Because he was shit for Chelsea last year.
No he wasn't. He didn't play much anyway so you can't judge him from that sense. Look at his performances in the national team and his other clubs.

[mufcsean]

If he is not good enough for chelsea then why would we want him

[Benbo!]

Nah Maniche was poor last season (my opinion), Gattuso !! hes a phyco path but i loves the way he plays

[Papa Lazarou]

i think we'll get Senna but i reckon we should get a more attacking midfielder too

how about...now you may slap me for this...Kevin Nolan, he could be the next Scholesey!

[mufcsean]

I like Nolan but nobody seems to be going for him, i was expecting him to have loads of attention this summer, but yeah i would welcome him to O.T

[Lami]

Nolan? I don't think you guys need him, you need a ruthless DM, someone like Roy Keane or Viera or Makelele. Mmmmmm.. Well you need to concentrate more on players who'd really love to wear the Man Utd shirt, pledge allegance (sp?). Savage! haha just kidding.

[Guillermo]

i think we'll get Senna but i reckon we should get a more attacking midfielder too

how about...now you may slap me for this...Kevin Nolan, he could be the next Scholesey!

We'd probably have to pay 10m for Nolan as he's English. But yeah, we do need another attacking midfielder, Scholes won't be around forever.

[mack10souljah]

I think most Man U fans don't want benchwarmers from Chelsea or Arsenal. It's just in thier blood. There aren't that many world class defensive midfielders at the moment. Hopefully Carrick can become one very soon. As for a replacement for Scholes, there will be plenty of talent we can snatch next year in the transfer window. I think Scholes will be fine this year and have a great season unlike last year.

[mufcsean]

Scholes was unfortunate last season but i think he will do excellently this season, during pre season he has been playing his sicks off and was at the middle of everything despite that sending off i know but he was excellent in the otheer games, i think we can wait for an attacking midfielder

[Phatmann]

Who do we play next? It says that its seville on the official site but i'm sure we play somebody on tuesday
We're playing Oxford tomorrow night.

[mufcsean]

Cheers phatman ;)

[Benbo!]

To be honest guys im not to sure if we should get a new striker. I think if we dont then this will be rossi's time to shine and hopefully he'd turn out to be a world class player. Im sure with a a couple of seasons under his belt of playing first team football he could be just as good as nistelrooy. But if we do get torres or someone else it would be nice.

[Rambo]

Ronnie's first game back, theres gonna a lot of security

[Benbo!]

Ronnie's first game back, theres gonna a lot of security

i hope hes alright with the club and hopefully will stay, i dont care what he done in the wc plus im welsh so i shouldnt bother over the rooney inccodent. i Just hope its passed aside and he can concentrate on playing and become a great player. If he sorts his ballerina skills out.

[Keyser Soze]

If he is not good enough for chelsea then why would we want him
Going by that logic, sell Spurs Carrick back and scrap the plans signing Senna.

[mufcsean]

Carrick was good enough for Spurs that is why we bought him, Senna is good enough for Villareal that is why we are trying to sign him

[Ranjit14]

To be honest guys im not to sure if we should get a new striker. I think if we dont then this will be rossi's time to shine and hopefully he'd turn out to be a world class player. Im sure with a a couple of seasons under his belt of playing first team football he could be just as good as nistelrooy. But if we do get torres or someone else it would be nice.
Im also quite undecided on this issue. Rossi's been playing well of late, just can't buy a goal. It would be nice I guess if we could land Torres for around £20m, even though he said he wants to stay. Didn't Athletico just buy Mista? Now they've got 3 pretty decent strikers, and some that I wont know of.

[Benbo!]

as you say if we could land torres for 20 m, 20 mil why spend so much when you have a youngster that could improve just as good for nothing. I want to see rossi play, look at arsenal their playing most of thier youngsters and they have improved immensly (fabregas,v.persie) both playing for their national team aswell. I just want to see rossi play and improve and be a world class striker.

[mufcsean]

I think Rossi is going to be excellent but i still feel we need somebody better if we are going to challenge Chelsea, i personally would loan Rossi out to Juve for a season gain somew experience back home

[mack10souljah]

I think Rossi is going to be excellent but i still feel we need somebody better if we are going to challenge Chelsea, i personally would loan Rossi out to Juve for a season gain somew experience back home

I see what you mean. With Sheva on Chelsea, we need someone who is already in form and proven to be a world class striker. Rossi is a gamble and so is Saha, Smith, etc... Torres would definitely help us out, but I doubt Fergie will get him.

[Lami]

I think Rossi is going to be excellent but i still feel we need somebody better if we are going to challenge Chelsea, i personally would loan Rossi out to Juve for a season gain somew experience back home
Juve would need strikers better than rossi to lead them back to Serie A. They can't depend on him. I'd prefer he stays at Man Utd, be a back up for strikers Saha and Solskjaer and start in cup games. That would help him mature.

[vanNistelrooy]

Challenge Chelski? That won't happen for a few seasons.

[Singh]

Well that was a pretty easy win tonight, Ronaldo scored a stunner he got two, Ole and fletcheraindino with the others.

Oh and it seems the kuzcyak deal is as good as done, should be finalised in the next 2 days :(

[mufcsean]

Nice to see another win during pre season, glad ronaldo got back into the swing of things aswell, anybody got links to the goals please

[Mambo]

Ronaldo's stunner looked average compared to Ole's master blaster. Hope he can keep this kind of form up in the Premiership. He's looked good from what I've seen, I'd maybe even start him over Saha.

Going by this years Summer signings, or lack thereof, we certainly won;t be challenging Chelsea seriously for a couple of seasons.

[Viperized]

Well that was a pretty easy win tonight, Ronaldo scored a stunner he got two, Ole and fletcheraindino with the others.

Oh and it seems the kuzcyak deal is as good as done, should be finalised in the next 2 days :(
Why are you sad you are landing Kuzchack? He is a superb second choice keeper.

I'd love to have him at Arsenal as second choice instead of Almunia.

[Singh]

Why are you sad you are landing Kuzchack? He is a superb second choice keeper.

I'd love to have him at Arsenal as second choice instead of Almunia.

He is that shite i cant even spell his name, its just that Fergie shouldnt be having to look at Gk's when he had a perfect replacement for VDS in Howard.
He should be concentrating on a CF and a MF.

[Hunter]

He is that shite i cant even spell his name, its just that Fergie shouldnt be having to look at Gk's when he had a perfect replacement for VDS in Howard.
He should be concentrating on a CF and a MF.

I'm just going to call him Tom.

Hes far from shite, a 'good' keeper with solid aspects, fairly young and I suspect he can do a very good job for us whether VDS is injured or whether it be in the future. We're just awaiting the fee now, anything below £3m and I think we've done a good bit of business. Howard got off to a great start with us, however his form slowly slipped and he became such a liability we've had to loan him out.

We're not desperate as such for MF's now, with Carrick here and Senna seemingly going to sign this week I think we're doing fairly well. Could be better but could be a lot worse. Could maybe do with 1 more winger but we're not desperate so no need to rush into things. We have Ronaldo, Park, Giggs, Richardson and now Martin, who seems to be shining nowadays.

[Singh]

I'm just going to call him Tom.

Hes far from shite, a 'good' keeper with solid aspects, fairly young and I suspect he can do a very good job for us whether VDS is injured or whether it be in the future. We're just awaiting the fee now, anything below £3m and I think we've done a good bit of business. Howard got off to a great start with us, however his form slowly slipped and he became such a liability we've had to loan him out.

We're not desperate as such for MF's now, with Carrick here and Senna seemingly going to sign this week I think we're doing fairly well. Could be better but could be a lot worse. Could maybe do with 1 more winger but we're not desperate so no need to rush into things. We have Ronaldo, Park, Giggs, Richardson and now Martin, who seems to be shining nowadays.

Na im only joking about "Tom" i havent seen enough of him really, but i would say he is going to be a long term replacement for Edwin. Yea Howard did start off really well, but then started to make many mistakes.

Regarding the midfield now that carrick is out for a bit that senna deal needs to be as soon as possible, and martin seems to be off to rangers where he will do well under le guen. Ronaldos performance tonight proved how valubale he is to us, and if he went we would be really short for quality wingers.

[7RONALDO7]

We have VDS, Foster, Steele, Heaton and Howard.
Whats the point in sending Howard on loan and then buying a new keeper?

[mufcsean]

There isn't a point, i really don't know what Fergies thinking there

[otobot]

sending howard on loan will let him gain more EPL experience since VDS is the main keeper,so when he comes back n VDS retires, he'll be more prepared so to speak...foster n tom will be "under-studies" of VDS...when howard is the current main keeper with VDS gone...maybe one of them will be the next "howard" and go out on loan while the other is the #2 keeper...

or just sell howard after a season long loan...whatever.......

[Rambo]

sending howard on loan will let him gain more EPL experience since VDS is the main keeper,so when he comes back n VDS retires, he'll be more prepared so to speak...foster n tom will be "under-studies" of VDS...when howard is the current main keeper with VDS gone...maybe one of them will be the next "howard" and go out on loan while the other is the #2 keeper...

or just sell howard after a season long loan...whatever.......
Howard doesnt need experience

[otobot]

well...to fergie he does...and actually it would make him a better keeper...so to me, its actually a good move...

[nikos24]

I myself think Tomas Kuzczak is a great keeper. His reflexes are one of the bests I've seen from the keepers in the Premiership. Fergie knows what he is doing, sooner or later, Tomas will be a big household name.

[Lord Shrimpeh]

I myself think Tomas Kuzczak is a great keeper. His reflexes are one of the bests I've seen from the keepers in the Premiership. Fergie knows what he is doing, sooner or later, Tomas will be a big household name.

Fergie hardly ever seems to know what he's doing nowadays, so I wouldn't bet on it.

[nikos24]

Why do other fans start slacking him off when they clearly haven't seen him play for United yet. Give him a chance. I believe and hope he can do well.

[Singh]

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/aug9d.html

Just read it on another forum :(

why? That much for that lazy piece of shite.

[Rambo]

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/aug9d.html

Just read it on another forum :(

why? That much for that lazy piece of shite.
Thats not true and even if it is true I hope we dont get him, too inconsistant

[mufcsean]

He will never come here, i used to like Adriano but i really went off him during the WC, as Singh said he is a lazy peice of shite and i dont want him at O.T especially for £42m, what the hell is all that about

[Singh]

Fergie seems to be losing his god damn mind lately, wouldnt be suprised if the deal happens.

[mufcsean]

So have we signed Kuzcazk (whatever), has it been confirmed

[Singh]

Nope not yet.

[Ranjit14]

If we had £42m, I think I would piss myself.

But we don't so I wouldn't take this article too seriously. Maybe someone at United had a look at him against Watford but there is no chance we're paying that much money for someone who's been nowhere near his best over the last couple of seasons.

[mack10souljah]

Fergie seems to be losing his god damn mind lately, wouldnt be suprised if the deal happens.

Fergie doesn't have that much cash to splash. He isn't going to shell out 42million for Adriano because Manchester United doesn't spend that much anymore...

[mufcsean]

Is it Seville next for us

[Singh]

Yea on the 12th live on MUTV.

[mufcsean]

Cheers, i have just seen those goals from last night, every single goal was great especially Solskjaers rocket

[vanNistelrooy]

Link to the goals?

£42m? Ha, lucky if we have £4.2m.

[vanNistelrooy]

Nevermind...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI6xREFdfHs

[Papa Lazarou]

some good goals there!! Especially Oles which was a stonker of a hit!

[vanNistelrooy]

Ronaldo's wasn't too shabby. Hopefully he'll have a cracking season.

[Viperized]

£42 million for Adriano? Hahaha. That would be a complete waste if money.

Btw those are some fine goals scored against Oxford. Ole's goal was the best because of the technique of the shot.

[Mambo]

I'm watching Sky Sports News and they've previewed the papers for tomorrow. Quite a few are rumouring the Adriano transfer, though for £20million rather than £42million. At £42million the story is obviously bollocks, but £20million is far more believable. For £20million I'd definately have Adriano, he's quality, and surely make a great partner for Rooney up front. Still can't see it happening though.

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

42 million for Adriano. I would love United to pay that. He has to be one of the most overrated players I have ever seen.

[mufcsean]

I agree Rafa he is extremely overated just because he can smack a ball hard everyone thinks he is awesome

[teztravis7]

Ole and Ronnie's first where the best of the oxford goals. i am not sure about adriano, i would much prefer Torres in United red! ;)

[Hunter]

I'd rather have Torres but I wouldn't mind Adriano, providing the fee was around £10m maximum.

I think we've all established hes incredibly overated, can't kick at all with his right foot and isn't a prolific scorer. Has only scored twice in his last 20 games hasn't he ?

[Viperized]

Adriano reckons he is better than Pele.

What a cunt.

[Hunter]

Adriano reckons he is better than Pele.

What a cunt.

Got a link for this mate as I find it hard to believe.

[7RONALDO7]

Hes on the front of PES6...So he must be good lol.

Anyway, on a serious note. If the price we pay for him is 30mill that has been floating around in the papers, then it is abit stupid. I mean we could get Torres (25mill) and Senna (3/4mill) and still have money left over!

Howver if we get him for about 15/20mill MAX, then I would be ok with that.

[Hunter]

Hes not worth £20m, £15m would be a push too.

[Jonny2J]

Adriano reckons he is better than Pele.

What a cunt.Haha no he doesn't.

[Top Gun]

The Tomas Kuszczak deal has been completed.

[vanNistelrooy]

Only on loan.

Luke Steele and Paul McShane go the other way.

[Viperized]

Got a link for this mate as I find it hard to believe.
I've read it in a FourFourTwo article or in a Shoot mag. It may hard to believe, but I clearly remember those words written on the paper.

[Papa Lazarou]

apparently we're now favourites to sign Diarra from Lyon which means we probably wont get Senna...this is a bit odd seieng as Diarra would cost about £20million and we already have Carrick as £18million in the same position. Now i don't think that we'll pay that much money to have one sit on the bench so how would we play 2 defnesive midfielders??

[Rambo]

It doesnt matter who comes it will still be odd signing either of them

[Papa Lazarou]

It doesnt matter who comes it will still be odd signing either of them


yeah but what im trying to say is Senna for £4million is good cover for Carrick...he's not expensive and so SAF won't be obliged to put him on the pitch at the start but with Diarra he may be forced to play him due to his fee

so where does that leave Scholes? on the bench which is not where he should be as he's our main attacking midfielder!

[Rambo]

yeah but what im trying to say is Senna for £4million is good cover for Carrick...he's not expensive and so SAF won't be obliged to put him on the pitch at the start but with Diarra he may be forced to play him due to his fee

so where does that leave Scholes? on the bench which is not where he should be as he's our main attacking midfielder!
Yh good point, Scholes has to start, we can't play with two DMF's

[Hunter]

apparently we're now favourites to sign Diarra from Lyon which means we probably wont get Senna...this is a bit odd seieng as Diarra would cost about £20million and we already have Carrick as £18million in the same position. Now i don't think that we'll pay that much money to have one sit on the bench so how would we play 2 defnesive midfielders??

I'd barely class Carrick as a DMF, if anything hes CMF. He was also £14m initially, I expect it to rise a little bit but I doubt they'll get the full whack.

Well look at it this way, if we bought Senna and also Diarra, how long does Senna have left ? Not long.

Saying all this, we just wouldn't sign 3 midfielders at the moment, especially 2 being DMF and one CMF as it doesn't make any sense. I can imagine us concentrating more on a striker however we're not desperate anymore I don't think since we seem to have plenty connections at the moment with players.

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

I think a certain Mr Ferguson is trying to make a midfield partnership a kin to that of Alonso and Sissoko.

[Mambo]

I think a certain Mr Ferguson is trying to make a midfield partnership a kin to that of Alonso and Sissoko.

He's probably looking at the Gattuso - Pirlo partnership than Alonso Sissoko ;) This seems to be exactly what he is planning. Carrick is a kind of replacement for Scholes i think, bringing him in early to learn from Scholes to be more attacking. He's moulding Carrick into an English Pirlo.

If Torres is waiting until next season why don't we wait? See how Saha, Ole, Smith and Rossi do. If we're worried about injuries/experience bring in someone like Saviola. Proven finisher and we could get him fairly cheap. Obviously he hasn't got the height, but he's got a good eye for goal.

[mufcsean]

Quite a lot going on now for United in the transfer market which i am glad to see, got in Carrick and Kuzsczak, could soon be getting Senna or Diarra, could get Adriano who isnt my favourite but i suppose he will do the job, but why is the Kuzsczak deal a loan deal, i dont get that

[Top Gun]

He's probably looking at the Gattuso - Pirlo partnership than Alonso Sissoko ;) This seems to be exactly what he is planning. Carrick is a kind of replacement for Scholes i think, bringing him in early to learn from Scholes to be more attacking. He's moulding Carrick into an English Pirlo.

If Torres is waiting until next season why don't we wait? See how Saha, Ole, Smith and Rossi do. If we're worried about injuries/experience bring in someone like Saviola. Proven finisher and we could get him fairly cheap. Obviously he hasn't got the height, but he's got a good eye for goal.

I would like to see Fergie give our current strikers a try but as you said a problem is injuries, we all know Solksjaer has had a bad time with injuries and also Saha is quite injury prone, I would quite like Saviola as he has never really settled at a club and I feel he could do well for us.

[Hunter]

I would like to see Fergie give our current strikers a try but as you said a problem is injuries, we all know Solksjaer has had a bad time with injuries and also Saha is quite injury prone, I would quite like Saviola as he has never really settled at a club and I feel he could do well for us.

You've just summed up why we shouldn't get him. ;)

[Top Gun]

I wouldn't mind seeing Iaquinta at United, he wouldn't be too expensive as he dosen't play for a big club and he is a very good goalscorer.

[Rambo]

Giuseppe Rossi has been called up for Italy U 21's

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/aug11e.html

Silvestre has signed a new contract, don't know why he is still at united

http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=409288&CPID=8&clid=1&lid=2&title=United+duo+agree+new+dea ls

[vanNistelrooy]

I think a certain Mr Ferguson is trying to make a midfield partnership a kin to that of Alonso and Sissoko.
:lol:

We'd really srtuggle if we came up against mighty teams like Maccabi Haifa!

[mufcsean]

Ha well said Rossi, glad to see Richardson in the England squad and Rossi in the Italy u-21's, is the Kuzszcak on a permant 4 year deal now then or what

[Top Gun]

Yeah he is on a 4 year deal so I expect he will take over from Van Der Sar when he retires or leaves.

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

:lol:

We'd really srtuggle if we came up against mighty teams like Maccabi Haifa!

You did. ;)

[Top Gun]

Yeah but the team we had out was extremely poor as we had already qualified for the Champions League Knockout stage.

[vanNistelrooy]

You did. ;)
We'd already qualified for the next stage, not still struggling to qualify for the tournament ;)

I'd try to defend us by saying we played our reserves, but doesn't seem to be true:

Ricardo, Gary Neville, Silvestre, Ferdinand, O'Shea, Phil Neville, Scholes, Fortune, Richardson, Solskjaer, Forlan.
Subs: Carroll, May, Pugh, Roche, Lynch, Nardiello, Timms.

Then again with Ricardo in goal what should we have expected!? :tongue:

[Lami]

We'd already qualified for the next stage, not still struggling to qualify for the tournament ;)

I'd try to defend us by saying we played our reserves, but doesn't seem to be true:

Ricardo, Gary Neville, Silvestre, Ferdinand, O'Shea, Phil Neville, Scholes, Fortune, Richardson, Solskjaer, Forlan.
Subs: Carroll, May, Pugh, Roche, Lynch, Nardiello, Timms.

Then again with Ricardo in goal what should we have expected!? :tongue:
Fortune? i thought he moved to bolton.. :mellow:

[vanNistelrooy]

Fortune? i thought he moved to bolton.. :mellow:
It was from the Maccabi Haifa game from a few years ago. As we also no longer have:

Ricardo
Phil Neville
Forlan
Carroll
May
Pugh
Roche
Lynch
Nardiello
Timms

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

We'd already qualified for the next stage, not still struggling to qualify for the tournament ;)

I'd try to defend us by saying we played our reserves, but doesn't seem to be true:

Ricardo, Gary Neville, Silvestre, Ferdinand, O'Shea, Phil Neville, Scholes, Fortune, Richardson, Solskjaer, Forlan.
Subs: Carroll, May, Pugh, Roche, Lynch, Nardiello, Timms.

Then again with Ricardo in goal what should we have expected!? :tongue:

You can use all the excuses in the world. I could say that due to this being our first game we were rusty which we were. I could also point out that United have had there own struggles actually LOSING away to ZTE. So please don't try and make out we are the first team to make it tough against a "lesser" side. Incedently you had a full line up out.

You also made it tougher than it needed to be against Lodz the year you won the treble.

We've struggled against Graz as well the year we won it actually losing at Anfield to a wonder strike.

[vanNistelrooy]

Well we won't struggle in qualifying this year :tongue: Just beat Chelski tomorrow and I'll stop barrating you and your team ;)

Any news on SAF trying to bring in a new striker? Or we going to let the baby faced pensioner have more of a run out this season? Not arguing as he's had a great pre-season.

EDIT: Just seen you've got a new bet re: Pennant/Solano. Pennant can't cross but he'll still probably get more assists than Newcastle do goals this season, so you look to be quids in (although you'll have to pay some over to mufcsean).

[mufcsean]

What will the team look like today against Sevilla

[vanNistelrooy]

At a guess...

van der Sar
Bardsley
Silvestre
Brown
Heinze
Giggs
Scholes
Park
Ronaldo
Saha
Solskjaer

Anyone know when the squad numbers are announced? I want to get Rossi on the back of mine but only when I know for definate what shirt number he is allocated.

[mufcsean]

Exactly what i'm doing mate, he had number 42 last year but i think he will have a much lower number, is Kuzcszak eligable to play, like to give him a run out if possible

[Rambo]

What channel is the match?