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mack10souljah
21-08-2006, 20:56
Park will start to play more and more once players like Giggs and Scholes get too old, he is a great squad player as he can play almost anywhere in midfield and he never complains.
Werd! The guy will get more playing time as time goes on. Thats for sure. The question is how fast he will become a regular starting member.
He is still relatively young so he can still improve and I think if he could improve his passing he could become a very useful player to have.
mack10souljah
21-08-2006, 21:09
He is still relatively young so he can still improve and I think if he could improve his passing he could become a very useful player to have.
His short passing skills are pretty good. I'm assuming you're talking about his long passing skills... I'd like to think his biggest area of improvement should be shooting. He has hit the post a ton of times, if those went in... He'd be a crazy
If he had a range of long passing as good as Carricks he would be a much better option than Hargreaves in my opinion.
mack10souljah
21-08-2006, 21:27
I agree. I'm sure he'll learn a thing or two from giggs
AgentZero
21-08-2006, 22:29
hmmmm torres looks good in the kit
7RONALDO7
21-08-2006, 23:49
In what kit?
If he had a range of long passing as good as Carricks he would be a much better option than Hargreaves in my opinion.
We're not after Hargreaves for his passing ;)
AgentZero
22-08-2006, 07:42
In what kit?
uniteds....
anyways...the hargreaves deal is as good as dead...bayern are wishing that owen honour the contract he signed with them.
Its the same situation as diarra. Lets hope bayern are less stubborn than lyon
EDIT: ive just been reading stuff on hargreaves and it Hoeness apparantely hopes "owen will accept the decision or he will face the consenquence'
well what consequence can that be?..left out of the club?...
EDITx2:
I'm just having a ponder...does anyone reckon saha is going to have a huge season for us? I think he's well and truly capable of stepping up a notch and could be our 20+ striker
Tevez fall out with coach,http://www.fansfc.com/manchesterunitedfootballclub/news.asp?newsid=156578
Well Saha has proven he can score goals for Fulham before he moved so there is no doubt he could get 20+ goals if he has an injury free season.
AgentZero
22-08-2006, 13:05
i was just watching the highlights against fulham...he looked quite awesome, maybe it was against fulham but he was just a very lively player, could of scored 2 goals if it wasn't for niemi's awesome reaction
I know these rumours are normally not correct but in the paper today I saw a story that we have made a £25 million bid for Carlos Tevez.
Guillermo
22-08-2006, 14:01
Bayern Munich have claimed they will report Manchester United to football's world governing body Fifa unless they end their pursuit of Owen Hargreaves.
United have confirmed they want to sign the 25-year-old midfielder, who has also stated his desire to join them.
Bayern chairman Karl-Heinz Rummenigge has warned United to cease their interest or "we will turn to Fifa".
"A club may only contact a player when the club holding his contract agrees to it," he told German newspaper tz.
England international Hargreaves has a contract with Bayern running until 2010.
And Bayern have already made it clear they expect it to be honoured.
The German club's general manager Uli Hoeness said: "Hargreaves is well advised to keep quiet.
"Otherwise I will get very angry and that will not be good for him. I can't understand that after two discussions he is still forcing the issue."
Hargreaves was omitted from Bayern's side for the Bundesliga match with Bochum on Sunday after talks with the club.
United boss Sir Alex Ferguson is determined to bring the player to England and is thought to be willing to pay £17m.
But Hoeness added: "He won't be released under any circumstances. He needs to accept the decisions of those above him and show some respect."
Ferguson has already admitted Bayern have so far resisted their attempts to add Hargreaves to the summer capture of Michael Carrick, saying: "We are trying hard but Bayern are proving very stubborn and resistant, which I can understand."
A Bayern statement said they had not held negotiations with United and asked for the English side to cease pursuing the player.
Hargreaves has been at Bayern since moving to the club from Canada as a 16-year-old in 1997.
He helped Bayern to the Champions League crown in 2001 and has also won four Bundesliga titles with the club.
He seems determined to seize on his raised profile in England following his combative and tough-tackling displays during the World Cup and an impressive performance against Greece in coach Steve McClaren's first game in charge.
Time to look elsewhere Fergie :mellow:
Papa Lazarou
22-08-2006, 14:45
NOOOO!! Man we could've really used Hargreaves!!! Who else is there left? The Senna deal is pretty much dead in the water too...shit!
Billy Minof
22-08-2006, 15:04
Tevez has handed in a Transfer request at Corintians. ;)
After sundays performance, i dont reckon we need Tevez.
Though i wouldnt mind.
Guillermo
22-08-2006, 15:17
Double swoop for Mascherano and Tevez...in my dreams :(
If only, heres tevez doing what he does best. First parky and now him :D
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WyQlnOsJh-w
Guillermo
22-08-2006, 15:28
:huh:
If only, heres tevez doing what he does best. First parky and now him :D
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WyQlnOsJh-w
:shocking:
I used to love watching that boy play football, but now when I look at him, all I will see the image of him dancing and promoting Cartton-Network.
Plus he goes down on points, if he joins Manchester United :ninja:.
:shocking:
I used to love watching that boy play football, but now when I look at him, all I will see the image of him dancing and promoting Cartton-Network.
Plus he goes down on points, if he joins Manchester United :ninja:.
Hahah yes, i wouldnt call that dancing though :erm:
Anyone think that Bayern might just be a little annoyed about missing out on Ruud? I personally think they'd have been a little more co-operative had he gone there.
Is there anyone that wouldn't say no to Tevez? If there is a time to get him it is now I think, otherwise the price will be at least £5 more if you wanted him further own the line from another European club.
Personally I think that up until now SAF is waiting until next season to get Torres, after him saying he'd stay one more season with Atletico. Maybe he'd be tempted by Tevez now, seeing as we can't sign a DMF for shit so the money is there.
If we can't get Hargreaves or Mascherano I say we wait a season with what we've got. With Carrick in and Scholes back we're not so desperate this season, though we may lack the bite we need in bigger games n teh Prem and Europe.
Mascherano and Tevez would be great signings in my opinion. Mascherano should offer the defensive cover we need, Tevez is a striker therefore we need him and they are both young. The only problem with Tevez is his similarities to Rooney in the way he plays.
AgentZero
23-08-2006, 07:54
yes but no way will they sign for united.
Anyone think that Bayern might just be a little annoyed about missing out on Ruud? I personally think they'd have been a little more co-operative had he gone there.
That's exactly the reason. As I said before...
Latest is that he wants to come, but Bayern are being stubborn. This is because they wanted to do a deal with Van Nistelrooy and Hargreaves and feel that their noses have been put out.
United re-ignited interest in Hargreaves after Senna started stalling. Senna wants to come, but his agent is being a tool. Senna earns £21k basic a week at Villarreal. His agent wants £60k a week for him at O.T. United have offered around forty bags.
As for Tevez, he would be absoloutley brilliant for us, as would Mascherano. I'd love to see either of them come to OT before the end of the transfer window.
dimitrivdr
23-08-2006, 10:50
:no: I'm not entirely in agreement on that one. I think both players are brilliant, don't get me wrong. They just wouldn't suit the Premiership.
Mascherano doesn't boss midfield, he covers the attacking talent going forward. In terms of passing, he'll be similar to Veron and slow down Man U's attacking impetus. He's great in a short-passing style team/league like in Spain, but in the hustle and bustle of the Premiership, his finesse would be completely lost.
Tevez is brilliant, but I have no idea of what he can do in the air. I also agree that Tevez and Rooney in the same team is a bit too much of a good thing. Teams need players who complement each other. That keeps defences guessing because they're not entirely sure what kind of threat tey'll face in any given situation.
dazzlingdale
23-08-2006, 10:56
I reckon Man U will get Hargreaves as he's giving a press conference today on why he wants to leave Bayern have already fined him. Bayern have got to realise you cant keep an unhappy player Hargreaves as made is mind up i'd love him at O.T and i think it'll happen. Also if they get tevez i really think they can win the league especially if they played like they did against Fulham. just wish Rooney was'nt suspended but should still beat Charlton tonight
:no: I'm not entirely in agreement on that one. I think both players are brilliant, don't get me wrong. They just wouldn't suit the Premiership.
Mascherano doesn't boss midfield, he covers the attacking talent going forward. In terms of passing, he'll be similar to Veron and slow down Man U's attacking impetus. He's great in a short-passing style team/league like in Spain, but in the hustle and bustle of the Premiership, his finesse would be completely lost.
Mascherano is nothing like Veron. If you watched the world cup you'll know that he's far more defensive minded, and is very strong in the tackle. For Argentina he destroys, and Riquelme creates. And that's exactly the sort of player we need.
He's one of the best defensive midfielders in the world, and would add a lot of strength and bite to United's midfield. The only way players like Carrick and Scholesy (now) could cope against the best in Europe is if they had somebody like Mascherano alongside them to give them the freedom they need to create.
I'm sick of people always saying that Veron was a faliure too. He scored a hefty amount of goals, but he was never the dragged-back pass merchant he was coerced into being at Old Trafford. He grafted and won the ball at Sampdoria, but we already had Keane to do that. He got forward and played killer passes and drilled them into the net from around the 18 yard line at Parma, but we already had Paul Scholes to do that. He cost £28 million from Lazio, and that was another stick to beat him with.
Seba was walking into the greatest midfield quartet this club has ever seen, maybe even English football. The fact that he did as well as he did should have been applauded. He was certainly much better than people give him credit for. The second half at Tottenham, numerous games around the turn of the year in 02/03, and the fact that he did it in Europe when so many of our stars failed us all showed that, but people were just waiting for a chance to get on his back, and he was kind of doomed from an early stage.
Alright, rant over. Tevez would be a gamble, but he's still world class.
Mascherano is nothing like Veron. If you watched the world cup you'll know that he's far more defensive minded, and is very strong in the tackle. For Argentina he destroys, and Riquelme creates. And that's exactly the sort of player we need.
He's one of the best defensive midfielders in the world, and would add a lot of strength and bite to United's midfield. The only way players like Carrick and Scholesy (now) could cope against the best in Europe is if they had somebody like Mascherano alongside them to give them the freedom they need to create.
I'm sick of people always saying that Veron was a faliure too. He scored a hefty amount of goals, but he was never the dragged-back pass merchant he was coerced into being at Old Trafford. He grafted and won the ball at Sampdoria, but we already had Keane to do that. He got forward and played killer passes and drilled them into the net from around the 18 yard line at Parma, but we already had Paul Scholes to do that. He cost £28 million from Lazio, and that was another stick to beat him with.
Seba was walking into the greatest midfield quartet this club has ever seen, maybe even English football. The fact that he did as well as he did should have been applauded. He was certainly much better than people give him credit for. The second half at Tottenham, numerous games around the turn of the year in 02/03, and the fact that he did it in Europe when so many of our stars failed us all showed that, but people were just waiting for a chance to get on his back, and he was kind of doomed from an early stage.
Alright, rant over. Tevez would be a gamble, but he's still world class.
Your right about that but I don't think we can afford to miss out on him as he is definetly a star of the future.
dimitrivdr
23-08-2006, 12:27
Mascherano is nothing like Veron. If you watched the world cup you'll know that he's far more defensive minded, and is very strong in the tackle. For Argentina he destroys, and Riquelme creates. And that's exactly the sort of player we need.
He's one of the best defensive midfielders in the world, and would add a lot of strength and bite to United's midfield. The only way players like Carrick and Scholesy (now) could cope against the best in Europe is if they had somebody like Mascherano alongside them to give them the freedom they need to create.
I'm sick of people always saying that Veron was a faliure too. He scored a hefty amount of goals, but he was never the dragged-back pass merchant he was coerced into being at Old Trafford. He grafted and won the ball at Sampdoria, but we already had Keane to do that. He got forward and played killer passes and drilled them into the net from around the 18 yard line at Parma, but we already had Paul Scholes to do that. He cost £28 million from Lazio, and that was another stick to beat him with.
Seba was walking into the greatest midfield quartet this club has ever seen, maybe even English football. The fact that he did as well as he did should have been applauded. He was certainly much better than people give him credit for. The second half at Tottenham, numerous games around the turn of the year in 02/03, and the fact that he did it in Europe when so many of our stars failed us all showed that, but people were just waiting for a chance to get on his back, and he was kind of doomed from an early stage.
Alright, rant over. Tevez would be a gamble, but he's still world class.
I actually agree with you when you're talking about Veron. I thought he was a class act. If you check my Inter comments, I think they'll miss him. What I was trying to point out was that English club sides tend to prefer holding players who pass it deep. The exceptions to this rule are limited: Chelsea and Liverpool. I'm not trying to disrespect Veron, Mascherano or Man U, but the fact is that if you want Mascherano at Man U, you'll be forced to change the style of the side to a more patient build-up. And this is where the problem lies. That doesn't necessarily match with the culture of the club. :(
You referred to Argentina at the World Cup. I don't think they had a single attack where the ball hadn't been passed among 4-5 players. That takes skill, time and patience. These are not necessarily attributes of the Premiership. I think that Fergie tried to ingrain that style of play so that he could improve Man U's European results. Unfortunately it backfired domestically. The same happened to Arsenal last season. (I don't think this is a coincidence).
Chelsea and Liverpool are the anomalies. They have performed consistently well at both levels. The problem is that a lot of fans have complained that they think their style is boring. Btw it's also effective but that doesn't seem to make much of a difference.
I think it's too easy to sit here say Tevez and Rooney are too similar. They are two of THE most promising talents in world football today, and I'll be damned if they can't be played together. Tevez and Rooney because could make one of the most lethal attacking forces in world football.
Tevez is brilliant, but I have no idea of what he can do in the air. I also agree that Tevez and Rooney in the same team is a bit too much of a good thing. Teams need players who complement each other. That keeps defences guessing because they're not entirely sure what kind of threat tey'll face in any given situation.
Are you saying having Tevez and Rooney in the same team won't keep them guessing? Rooney and Tevez are the kind of players that can make goals as well as create them with their attacking flair and ability to make space. Surely then they will create many goals for each other rather than get in each others' way. In a way they'd be more unpredictable because they could interchange seamlessly, one dropping off then the other. With their pace and power they'd strike fear into any opposition defense. In the unlikely event it doesn't work out sell him on, Tevez isnt the kind of player who will lose his valueover a season or two, he will always be sought after.
And personally, I'd hate to see some other side take the risk and reap the benefits. If we're ever going to sign Tevez now is the time. The only other player I would rather to him is Torres (well, and Henry but then there's no point in even discussing that). Torres isn't available. Tevez is. As Akineye said, he's a gamble, but he's world class. And a worthy gamble at that.
dimitrivdr
23-08-2006, 13:11
I think it's too easy to sit here say Tevez and Rooney are too similar. They are two of THE most promising talents in world football today, and I'll be damned if they can't be played together. Tevez and Rooney because could make one of the most lethal attacking forces in world football..
I never said they weren't brilliant footballers. I just think you're putting all your eggs in one basket when you put both Tevez and Rooney in the Same team. Much like Lampard and Gerrard both being CM.
Both Tevez and Rooney like to come deep to pick up the ball and then attack players. What they need is someone who instinctively goes for the balls into the area, the wings or likes to play as a post player and deliver flick-ons. Saha. That way you provide both players with a counterpart. I think putting Rooney and Tevez in the same team isn't fair to them. One of them will always have to curtail their instict and the other will always have to make sure they return the favour. It's not natural.
It's as if you play 2 Owens or 2 Henrys. They will always chase after the same ball because that's the type of player they are.
I think they're both great support strikers and if you can afford to rotate them, I'd say great. If you want to get the best out of the team, go for the type of player you don't yet possess.
Personally, I'd go out and get Julio Cruz. Not a big name, but top scorer for Inter with 15 goals in 31 appearances and can play with any type of partner. One of the most under-rated players out there. I also think he'd be a great fit for the Prem.
Guillermo
23-08-2006, 13:57
Tevez has gone on strike and says he'll never play for Corinthians again. If we want him, better get him immediately before someone else does.
Stormrider
23-08-2006, 14:15
:no: I'm not entirely in agreement on that one. I think both players are brilliant, don't get me wrong. They just wouldn't suit the Premiership.
Mascherano doesn't boss midfield, he covers the attacking talent going forward. In terms of passing, he'll be similar to Veron and slow down Man U's attacking impetus. He's great in a short-passing style team/league like in Spain, but in the hustle and bustle of the Premiership, his finesse would be completely lost.
Tevez is brilliant, but I have no idea of what he can do in the air. I also agree that Tevez and Rooney in the same team is a bit too much of a good thing. Teams need players who complement each other. That keeps defences guessing because they're not entirely sure what kind of threat tey'll face in any given situation.
Agree with Tevez, been saying it for weeks. He's so dam short. Scholes is about same height but he wouldn't play as advanced as Tevez would, thus he wouldn't need much height. Where would we play Tevez? Alongside Rooney with Saha in the middle? We have C.Ronaldo and Giggs who can play that role. Tevez would just be expensive cover for Rooney, which we already have in Smith and Rossi.
I would like to see Tevez go to La Liga, where the likes of Messi and Forlan shine. Tevez wouldn't deal with the amount of long balls in the Prem well, Imo he would never adapt. I'd rather we get someone much taller.
Now Mascherano I think he'd be alright with us. He's more in the mould of Heinze, not too short and very physical. I wouldn't care if he can't make long balls, all he needs to do as holder is give the ball to Scholes or Carrick who will then make the long ones.
dimitrivdr
23-08-2006, 14:45
Now Mascherano I think he'd be alright with us. He's more in the mould of Heinze, not too short and very physical. I wouldn't care if he can't make long balls, all he needs to do as holder is give the ball to Scholes or Carrick who will then make the long ones.
For the most part that makes sense... :blush: I think Hargreaves would be preferable though. Less likely to have problems adapting to England, bigger physically and already familiar with quite a few Man U players.
Although I have to say I'm on Bayern's side here. They've clearly said they're not interested and Man U continue's to add fuel to the fire despite this. I thought there was an understanding that no means no?
Getting tevez would not be a gamble, he is not like the other girl argentinans like veron. Tevez would adapt to the premiership he has the strength, power and more so aggression.
Regarding Owen i reckon if Bayern say they dont want to sell him, then we should look elsewhere its clear he wants to go but what can he do apart from not play and rot away in the reserves. Fergie is right getting him is turning into a nightmare, and times running out fergie. Its clear they still annoyed they didnt get ruud van nistelrooy.
Billy Minof
23-08-2006, 16:19
I know that Utd should drop the Hargraves deal but he wants to leave and Utd just want to make it clear that if he is going that they want to be first to get him and not let the other Vultures get a chance and try do the deal quickly, after losing out on there other targets so far they dont want to see this deal slip away.
Hargreaves is just digging himself into a huge hole, I don’t believe for one second that Bayern will let him go.
Billy Minof
23-08-2006, 17:03
Hargreaves is just digging himself into a huge hole, I don’t believe for one second that Bayern will let him go.
Especially after losing Ballack, it would be a big loss to them losing both in the same season.
Contracts arent worth a shit these days.:angry:
dimitrivdr
23-08-2006, 20:20
Whoever's advising Hargreaves needs shooting. He's souring relations with Bayern and he doesn't have a leg to stand on. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
TBH, he should forget the whole thing and get on with things. If I were him I'd make a deal saying that I understand they need be for one more season to help the transition post-Ballack, and agree a certain fee that would be acceptable to both Bayern and Man U for next summer.
That way everyone feels they got a good deal. Too simple? I thought so. :rolleyes:
mack10souljah
23-08-2006, 20:54
0-0 Man U vs. Charlton at the half. Both Ronaldo and Park had very good chances. Both of them very unlucky not to have hit the back of the net.
dimitrivdr
23-08-2006, 21:06
0-0 Man U vs. Charlton at the half. Both Ronaldo and Park had very good chances. Both of them very unlucky not to have hit the back of the net.
Who thinks both Rio and Hreidarsson were looking for a red?
mack10souljah
23-08-2006, 21:17
haha yeah
GOOOOOOOOO MAN U!!!!!!!!
Park crosses and it gets caught in one of the Charlton defenders legs, but Fletcher fakes the shot twice until its in the net!!!!!!!!!!
1-0!
mack10souljah
23-08-2006, 21:22
PARK volleyed it to the post !!!!!!!!!!!!!! DANGIT! SCORE MAN!
Dr. Bob Kelso
23-08-2006, 21:23
How was that not a pen by the way ?
mack10souljah
23-08-2006, 21:26
Wes Brown handled the ball! Good thing the ref didn't see it!
mack10souljah
23-08-2006, 21:28
Is Marcus Bent any relation to Darren?
mack10souljah
23-08-2006, 21:40
Carrick!!! in for Park
mack10souljah
23-08-2006, 21:43
Saha!! 2-0!!!!!!!!
mack10souljah
23-08-2006, 21:53
Yeah Norway!!!!!!!!!!!!! 3-0!
mack10souljah
23-08-2006, 21:56
NOOO Evra is cramping
mack10souljah
23-08-2006, 21:58
This is the best day! Chelsea loses to Middlebrough 2-1 and Man U wins 3-0! Heaven!
Lord Shrimpeh
23-08-2006, 22:04
HAHAH! Fantastic. We've had better times in the first two games this season than we did the whole of last season. It's too early to be getting excited but if this continues... :D
No need for a running commentary mack10souljah. That's what commentators are for.
Good result, nice to hear Solskjaer and Saha both scoring. Can't wait to watch MOTD in a bit. Chelsea result is amazing, though don't get ahead of ourselves it will seldom happen again.
7RONALDO7
23-08-2006, 22:10
Great result and great Second half.
Glad that the cunts down south got beat aswell.
vanNistelrooy
23-08-2006, 22:15
Both Fletcher's and Saha's goals were class.
Fuck you Chelski.
Well done Man Yoo I'd say. If Arsenal don't (Which they won't) win the league, I'd prefer Utd to over Chelsea and Liverpool. I HATE Chelsea, and dislike Man Yoo more than Liverpool by a long shot, but round here if Liverpool win something, you just. don't. hear. the. last. of. it.
"5 times la"
"Fa cup mert"
"Stevie Gee!"
"Community shield lid!"
At least Man Utd fans seem to..hmmm...go about their means slightly more better. ;)
vanNistelrooy
23-08-2006, 22:23
At least Man Utd fans seem to..hmmm...go about their means slightly more better. ;)
Only because we haven't won anything or real significance for the last couple of seasons! :tongue:
Only because we haven't won anything or real significance for the last couple of seasons! :tongue:
Hahaha, most probably.
Bring on Match of the Day, I'll watch this one with a Cup of Tea and some short bread.
Satisfaction.:happy:
Good win for us, people need to calm down it's only the second match of the season.
BTW our away kit looks nice, I should have got that instead of the home kit
Hahaha, most probably.
Bring on Match of the Day, I'll watch this one with a Cup of Tea and some short bread.
Satisfaction.:happy:
Just turned on for it and fucking Dale Winton is on :angry:
Dr. Bob Kelso
23-08-2006, 22:49
Just turned on for it and fucking Dale Winton is on :angry:
Thought Graeme Le Saux had retired ?
Papa Lazarou
23-08-2006, 22:51
good result for us today! and with Chelski losing it's even better!! Great to see Ole score again...he's gonna be important this season i think
mack10souljah
23-08-2006, 22:56
The start of this season is looking very bright. You have to admit, the last few seasons Chelsea always started off unbeaten for a long time. If Middlesbrough found out a way to beat them this early, many other teams will also. (Let's hope)
As for my enthusiasm, I apologize. I'm just so thrilled that Man U are finally looking like the champions they are. Remember we won 3-0 without Rooney and Scholes. We probably would have beaten Charlton 5-0 with them.
vanNistelrooy
23-08-2006, 23:04
We should have beaten them by 5 or 6 without them tonight.
mack10souljah
23-08-2006, 23:09
We could have, but with the luck we had today and the weather conditions... it would have been hard.
AgentZero
23-08-2006, 23:17
thats 2 out of 2 for saha.....lets hope he continues this form!!
and ronaldo played well with all the abuse he got
Stormrider
24-08-2006, 03:59
Who says we need Ruud :tongue:
Who says we need Ruud :tongue:
Early days yet ;)
Though having said that, did anyone hear the Saha statistic on MOTD? 17 goals in the last 23 starts for United.
Lord Shrimpeh
24-08-2006, 11:58
He's one of these players like Crouch who always gets goals, but never gets the appreciation from fans. Still, if he can do it in high profile matches that's the litmus test.
dimitrivdr
24-08-2006, 12:27
Good win against an average side... did anyone see the marking on Saha's goal?? :blush:
I was really happy for super-sub Ole. If anyone deserves it, it's gotta be him.
executioner
24-08-2006, 17:14
I was actually at the valley for last nights game (in the charlton end due to a lack of away tickets but got to see in anyway!)
First 20 mins it was fairly even, expected charlton to score first then we bite them back but i was wrong. hasslebank looks fat as phuck and was very greedy on the ball, which mean darren bent suffered for it.
i know the defender fucked up for the first goal but fletcher looked class with those turns. we definetly dont need hardgreaves, not for £17 fucking million anyway!!
Sahahaha's goal kinda came out of nowhere lol, the boy deserved it though. the lad scored 15 goals last season which is great considering he missed the first half of it through injury. Speaking of injuries I couldnt help but smile at Ole's goal. the keeper could have saved it but seeing Ole bow before the home fans was a good sight to see. had to cover my smile with my hat so the charlton faithfull didnt spot me.
Ronaldo was a class act and if any football fans out there think booing him will do jack shit they are wrong! needs to be a bit more accurate but was one of the best players on the pitch along with giggs! Even the United fans were singing "dont blame ronaldo cause england are shite!" - in the second half the charlton fans were silent. matter fact the united fans made most the noise all night....
On the subject of Ruud mentioned earlier, we definetly dont need him...or any more players either!! When we had him as soon as he had the ball out whole play would slow down. he was good for the goals but with saha and rooney we're getting goals from all playing positions now which is what we want now. even during the treble we never had a 30 goal a season man, we had 4 strikers sharing the duties. now we have the same plus goals from the midfield and even the defence now too
Papa Lazarou
24-08-2006, 18:44
well the champions league draw has given us:
Celtic
Benfica
FC Copenhagen
we should qualify from this group top...i'd say that the only stern test will be Benfica
it is vital that we get at least to the semi-finals of the champs league this year to prove that we're a major european force after the farce of last years Euro campaign
well the champions league draw has given us:
Celtic
Benfica
FC Copenhagen
we should qualify from this group top...i'd say that the only stern test will be Benfica
it is vital that we get at least to the semi-finals of the champs league this year to prove that we're a major european force after the farce of last years Euro campaign
Lets be honest we wont even get that far, our group is good but I still have doubts
well the champions league draw has given us:
Celtic
Benfica
FC Copenhagen
we should qualify from this group top...i'd say that the only stern test will be Benfica
it is vital that we get at least to the semi-finals of the champs league this year to prove that we're a major european force after the farce of last years Euro campaign
Gutted.
I was hoping for a Russian team, our fixtures would mean playing them away in December.... what a trip.
Lisbon and Copenhagen are both beautiful cities, but been there, done that.
At least this will probably be the cheapest European adventure- I've got a cousin in Glasgow, and my brother lives in Copenhagen.
vanNistelrooy
24-08-2006, 20:36
Not the easiest group but not the hardest by a long shot.
Benfica are the only real threat to United, celtic look poor and are beatable.
Great win last night, fletcher on top form :) and good to see Saha scoring and ole doing what he does best.
vanNistelrooy
24-08-2006, 21:19
Impressed with the performance last night (second half more so than first). Should have scored more which COULD cost us against better teams.
Watford are looking half decent but I expect a similar scoreline of 3-0.
Saha, Ronaldo and Carrick.
Stormrider
24-08-2006, 22:05
Early days yet ;)
Though having said that, did anyone hear the Saha statistic on MOTD? 17 goals in the last 23 starts for United.
Maybe but I have a lot of faith for our stable, even long b4 the season started. I know what Saha's capable of, he's no Ruud but he can put them in and he's showing that now. Ole can put a few important ones in, I think Smith will do well this season, and of course our main man Rooney. Stupid ban, if it wasn't for that he'd be top scorer instead of sitting on 2.
Anyways, our draw looks like a walk in the park to me. I'm looking forward to revenge on Benfica :happy:
AgentZero
24-08-2006, 22:26
fark!...tough group....Celtic and our old foes benfica
Stella Artois
24-08-2006, 22:28
Tough group? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
You clearly haven't seen Celtic lately, Benfica will be tough I'll give you that, but Copehagen? Well that's a walkover.
mack10souljah
24-08-2006, 23:59
Hopefully we take care of business as soon as it starts. 5-0 wins against Celtic, Benfica, and Copenhagen. We should definitely finish the group on top. Chelsea is probably going to struggle with FC Barcelona. hehe.
Hopefully we take care of business as soon as it starts. 5-0 wins against Celtic, Benfica, and Copenhagen. We should definitely finish the group on top. Chelsea is probably going to struggle with FC Barcelona. hehe.
The way I see it Chelsea have the best group. They and Barca should go through easily (Werder Bremen are half decent but they should still go through) and that means Chelsea definitely avoid Barca in the last 16, so a good draw for them in that respect.
o0oGedo0o
25-08-2006, 02:10
i must say that i always wanted another forward after ruud's left but now i wish saha goes on for the rest of the season, he has proven he's a good player. If we continued the rest of the season with this momentum we'll easily get the title, i can smell it.
mack10souljah
25-08-2006, 02:54
i must say that i always wanted another forward after ruud's left but now i wish saha goes on for the rest of the season, he has proven he's a good player. If we continued the rest of the season with this momentum we'll easily get the title, i can smell it.
I thought Fergie was crazy giving Ruud away like that. But now I know he is a genius!!
AgentZero
25-08-2006, 06:53
Chelsea have a killer group....Werder should not be doubted.
Weder are a good team but not good enough to trouble Chelsea
For any euro virgins who haven't already booked flights...
http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/competitions/UCL/448790_DOWNLOAD.pdf
Weder are a good team but not good enough to trouble Chelsea
I disagree with that. If Chelsea go out to Germany and play any where near the way we played against Boro, we will get thrashed.
I disagree with that. If Chelsea go out to Germany and play any where near the way we played against Boro, we will get thrashed.
Yeah but at home Chelsea would beat Bremen so its 50-50
For any euro virgins who haven't already booked flights...
http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/competitions/UCL/448790_DOWNLOAD.pdf
Thanks a lot, should hopefully be able to get to at least 1 away game. Got more than enough money now thankfully. Which city would be best do you think ?
PS: Chelsea are going to struggle in their group however there is no such thing as a really easy group in the CL.
Thanks a lot, should hopefully be able to get to at least 1 away game. Got more than enough money now thankfully. Which city would be best do you think ?
PS: Chelsea are going to struggle in their group however there is no such thing as a really easy group in the CL.
There's no simple answer as they're all fantastic cities.
Obviously Glasgow would probably be easiest and cheapest, it's a decent city and a fantastic ground (with marginally less drunk Celtic fans than the crew that show up at OT for each of the 6 annual friendlies we seem to play against them) so it should make for a decent trip. Tickets will be the hardest to get for this one though, probably be ST applications only.
Lisbon is a very nice city, but they're one of the most shambolically organised clubs in Europe judging by last years shenanigans. We play them away on the 26th of September, so there's no chance of United making another humiliating European exit there again.
Copenhagen is a great city too, smaller than Lisbon. It's expensive, I've been many times, but only once for football. The locals are ace, and are some of the most knowledgable football fans you'll ever meet. They get all the premiership games over there and as a result they love English clubs; but they all seem to be Liverpool fans.
I'd be quick if you want to book flights though, they'll shoot up in price very quickly.
You leave it too late, and you wont get a flight for under £300.
Thanks man, got some relatives that live in Glasgow so with any luck a trip for the Celtic game may happen but seems it will be difficult.
I think Copenhagen sounds the more likely city to go to in all honesty, have to run it by parents though (without sounding childish). Got some family members which are United fans so maybe they'd consider the trip, I hope anyway.
http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=412339&CPID=22&clid=1&lid=&title=Bayern+insistent+over+Ha rgreaves
guess its over then...missed out on senna...now owen...
Guillermo
26-08-2006, 11:14
Tevez is on the brink of a move to England, whether that's to Old Trafford or Stamford Bridge I don't know. He'd be just another squad player for Chelsea and wasted, much prefer his talents (including dancing) at United.
Lord Shrimpeh
26-08-2006, 12:02
Poor Hargreaves, doubt he'll get a move to a top club in England now. He'll be too old by then. Maybe though Bayern will be more willing next summer.
I hope we get Tevez, though he doesn't really fit in with our formation. But then, neither does Carrick. Woo. Getting Mascha would be nice as he's probably the only DMF we get can now. I can't really see us getting anyone besides maybe Senna (if the deal is still active) by the deadline.
Carrick and Ole start vs watford, park and evra on bench.
1-0 silvestre :laugh:
Guillermo
26-08-2006, 15:20
:huh:
1-1 :(
silvestre from hero to zero:angry:
FT 2-1 to us
Another good win, looking good for the spurs game
Guillermo
26-08-2006, 17:07
Well if Everton can beat them away with 10 men, we can surely beat them.
Stella Artois
26-08-2006, 17:36
Hopefully.
Has Rio broke his toe?
Dont have a clue
7RONALDO7
26-08-2006, 18:38
Has Rio broke his toe?
Yeah.
Well if Everton can beat them away with 10 men, we can surely beat them.
Football doesn't work that way, it is too strange.
Hopefully.
Wishing injuries on players..........how pathetic.
Just watched the highlights on MOTD. Doesn't look good for Rio. They speculated it could be the dreaded metatarsal injury. Let's pray that it's not, judging by the challenge it shouldn't be half that bad.
Silvestre looked like a mug for their goal, didn;t have a great game really apart from his goal. The defence could be a bit of a worry then with Neville, Rio, Heinze, Vidic all out atm.
ecureuil
26-08-2006, 22:46
At least Silvestre will be out of the team when Heinze is fit. After the Spurs game, things should be looking up. Scholes and Rooney will be back, Neville should be fit again, probably Ferdinand too, and we might have bought someone by thursday. I still wouldn't be surprised if we landed Hargreaves next thursday.
Well with Bayern's purchase of Van Bommel you can't rule it out, though they're being extremely stubborn. Their chairman says they are there to play together, though he'd be more of a replacement surely because I can't really see them playing together effectively.
The Tevez speculation is heating up, apparently he's close to signing for an English club. Rumours have it it's either United or Chelsea (no shit), and that Chelsea if they get him will loan him out to Rennes straight away. Bit of a fucking joke really if that turns out to be the case, reinforcing the conspiracy theorists who think they buy players just so the other English clubs can't.
AgentZero
26-08-2006, 23:59
can't hargreaves just hand in a transfer request?...or are we beyond that?...
Way beyond that man.
Fergie goes right know nothing is happening regarding owen, but they will carry on trying. But it looks unlikely and times running out.
AgentZero
27-08-2006, 00:36
oh shame, carrick and hargreaves would be sweet, for england and united
Who needs that when we got fletcher to partner carrick, for now.
Billy Minof
27-08-2006, 00:40
Who needs that when we got fletcher to partner carrick, for now.
:rolleyes:
Billy Minof
27-08-2006, 00:46
:unsure:
lol.......
lol.......
:huh:
But anywho, Fletcher looks a hell of a lot better than he has done. Giggs seems to have refound his pace and ability to run past players. Last season he played most in Center midfield didnt he? As you can see in my sig, his 2nd game was amazing and i think he will be the key player for you this season.
Surely your approach for Hargreaves was illegal? I wouldnt bet against bayern reporting you officialy for that.
Bayern won't report us, they're just being stubborn as we never sold Ruud to them. Wouldn't pay more than £10m the stupid ponces. Its there own fault and now they're seeking revenge by taunting us over this Hargreaves deal, well screw them and their £17m price tag.
United lead Arsenal in the chase for Nigel Reo-Coker (http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,1859252,00.html)
I'd be delighted to see Reo-Coker at Old Trafford, hes a good player with the potential to be a key player for us. I imagine he would be a hell of a lot cheaper than Owen Hargreaves too. The Guardian are fairly reliable and it does seem to have a lot of depth to the article, and I can see Reo-Coker making his way to either us or the Gunners before the market closes to be honest. He'd be a great asset to your team.
I really like the look of reo but i cant see west ham letting him go, i would rather have him then hargreaves. Hunter, that link dont work dude.
This link should work http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,1859252,00.html
Also we are meant to be after a norwegian Cm Kristofer Haested, read it on skys website earlier.
http://home.skysports.com/transferarticle.aspx?hlid=4122 21
I like Reo Coker but i hope he doesnt go...he'll be a legend for West Ham if he stays.
ecureuil
27-08-2006, 12:22
Did you guys read on Sky Sports that the only reason Senna didn't come to us, is because AIG told United to only buy English players? WTF is that all about?
Dr. Bob Kelso
27-08-2006, 12:26
Can't see Wayst Haym selling Reo Coker. Class player. Great start for your lot 3 out of 3. I reckon Watford are the only side who have give you a game yet so I'm not all that worried but still you can only beat what is there and 9 from 9 = perfect.
Can't see Wayst Haym selling Reo Coker. Class player. Great start for your lot 3 out of 3. I reckon Watford are the only side who have give you a game yet so I'm not all that worried but still you can only beat what is there and 9 from 9 = perfect.
Yeah, you have to give credit to United for a great start. They will have a tough match next week, but if they do no let the International Break mess up their chemistry, then it'll be 3 points for sure.
Papa Lazarou
27-08-2006, 14:09
hmm...Reo-Coker is an interesting choice, haven't seen too much of him really but he does seem to be a commanding player...i'd still rather have Hargreaves and i think Fergie may still pull that transfer off!!
As for Tevez everythings too quiet about that so something may be up...fergie does like to be private about these things after missing out on a load of players last few seasons because of other clubs
Papa Lazarou
27-08-2006, 14:35
i don't mean to double post but Sky Sports website now says we're after Trezuguet
http://msnsport.skysports.com/transferarticle.aspx?hlid=4125 37
to be honest, i'd rather Saha starts than him if we got him
ecureuil
27-08-2006, 14:45
I hope that's not true. Don't want him at United.
Tevez would be preferred, but I just don't see it happening.
Press speculation in Italy is linking Manchester United with a renewed bid for Juventus striker David Trezeguet.
Yep i wouldnt mind this happening, he is an out and out striker a poacher and a ruud kind of player.
http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=412511&CPID=8&clid=1&lid=&title=Senna+unhappy+at+move+co llapse
why the senna move didnt go through...man, fuck those yanks!
vanNistelrooy
27-08-2006, 18:29
Do we need a replacement for Saha? I don't think we do.
ecureuil
27-08-2006, 19:14
Do we need a replacement for Saha? I don't think we do.
Except when he gets his bi-yearly injury. Ole is a legend, but he's not good enough to cover.
http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=412511&CPID=8&clid=1&lid=&title=Senna+unhappy+at+move+co llapse
why the senna move didnt go through...man, fuck those yanks!
Jumping the gun mate. The source there is News of The World, they are affiliated and created by The Sun therefore its more likely to be a complete crock of shit than true.
;)
You think SAF is going to listen to some yank club sponsors on who he should buy? Don't think so.
worldwar
28-08-2006, 10:34
do you remember SLB eliminate you from the group stage
Hargreaves is in the bag, good signing.
Papa Lazarou
28-08-2006, 18:43
Hargreaves is in the bag, good signing.
how do ya know buddy? is there a link?
how do ya know buddy? is there a link?
Yep
http://www.setanta.com/portal/article/football::england?open&articleid=a18a7ce21da5c3d88025 71d80038b87c
they were first to break the carrick deal to utd aswell, and van bommel even said that in a press conference earlier today that hargreaves looks certain to move. And reports suggest he is going to munich to replace owen :happy:
17m :huh:
Papa Lazarou
28-08-2006, 18:57
well im skeptical until i see the announcement on sky sports or man u official website but if he comes it will be a kickass signing
Stella Artois
28-08-2006, 19:00
What a waste.
:laugh:
Guillermo
28-08-2006, 19:49
:laugh:
Bye, bye United.
Hargreaves is pissh of the highest order. Poor signing Alex.
Sorry, am I hearing that right? 17m? :mellow: Mellow indeed.
If the deal is done at £17 then that is WAY overpriced. He's £12 tops, and that is allowing for the 'English factor' as far as overpricing goes. Though it might be a Carrick job of it being increased to £17 depending on pitch success and various appearances. I still prefer Hargreaves to Senna, he's second only to Mascherano in who I'd want at United (taking age into account, otherwise Gattuso would be above him too).
Don't want Trezeguet. I'd rather wait a season for Torres. We're looking to be OK this season but Ole is getting on . Torres, Rooney and Saha with Rossi coming through is an awesome prospect for the future.
Papa Lazarou
28-08-2006, 21:50
my one question is: will scholes be dropped to the bench in place of hargreaves and play him and carrick in the middle? or will we play a 4-5-1 with all 3 and rooney as a lone frontman??
Ha...another Owen costing £17 million!
my one question is: will scholes be dropped to the bench in place of hargreaves and play him and carrick in the middle? or will we play a 4-5-1 with all 3 and rooney as a lone frontman??
That's a good question. I doubt (and hope) that SAF doesn't go to a 4-5-1 formation. United's best formation is good ol' 4-4-2, and he knows it. You're not going to get the best out of rooney if you play him as a lone striker, are you Sven?
Hargreaves-Carrick is the future Keane-Scholes i think. For the next few seasons I think the selection will depend upon the opposition we are playing. Though it is hard to see him benching either Carrick or hargreaves. I mean how can you justify benching a £17million signing every game be one or the other? Though we are jumping the gun a bit seeing as the deal hasn't been confirmed yet.
17 mil is a joke, I am a fan of Hargreaves but he is not worth £17 million, Bayern are fucking wankers
The Stig
28-08-2006, 23:43
Lol it's not even official you have signed him yet I mean why would Bayern suddenly just decide to sell now when they've been so awkward over the past weeks and said that owen is staying till 2010.
Lol it's not even official you have signed him yet I mean why would Bayern suddenly just decide to sell now when they've been so awkward over the past weeks and said that owen is staying till 2010.
Because Bayern have bought Van Bommel
The Stig
28-08-2006, 23:50
He's a replacement for Ballack though :unsure: seems wierd to me though as Bayern a few weeks ago were saying no and no and no that they wouldn't sell Hargreaves and he has to run his contract out.
Bayern have got suitable replacements anyway like Demichelis
Guruhamboy
28-08-2006, 23:57
I think the bringing in of Van Bommel means they could let hargreaves go. He is performing well currently. I hope he doesnt play like he did in Engllands world cup warm up matches for utd.
mack10souljah
29-08-2006, 08:09
Obviously the front office at Bayern knows if a player wants to leave that badly like Owen, its best to let him go. I can't believe SAF is spending so much money for him though. I wonder what SAF plans to do with the lineup now that he has two major defensive midfielders signed. Interesting...
AgentZero
29-08-2006, 08:13
:laugh:
Bye, bye United.
so tell me where are they going?
to other news....Trezeguet for 10M
Obviously the front office at Bayern knows if a player wants to leave that badly like Owen, its best to let him go. I can't believe SAF is spending so much money for him though. I wonder what SAF plans to do with the lineup now that he has two major defensive midfielders signed. Interesting...
Last time I will ever say this:
CARRICK IS NOT A DEFENSIVE MIDFIELD PLAYER
Thank you.
Looks like the Hargreaves deal is off, thank god
ecureuil
29-08-2006, 10:33
Trezeguet deal was reportedly £17 mil!! Juve still rejected it, thankfully.
Disappointed the Hargreaves deal is off, he would have been a good player for us. We need someone like that, he would have just done a job. Still hoping for Tevez..
Last time I will ever say this:
CARRICK IS NOT A DEFENSIVE MIDFIELD PLAYER
Thank you.
Just so this mistake is never made again: CARRICK IS NOT A DEFENSIVE MIDFIELD PLAYER
SAF would never pay £17million for trezeguet, especially after Barca spent just £15million for Thuram AND Zambrotta. If you're spending £17million, you buy Tevez, simple as.
£10million is far more realistic, but I'd still rather we saved the cash for torres next season.
Guillermo
29-08-2006, 12:58
Looks like the Hargreaves deal is off, thank god
:D
Fuck the Canadian poof.
tevez+mascherano...sweet
http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=413004&CPID=8&clid=1&lid=&title=Corinthians+duo+England+ bound?
Papa Lazarou
30-08-2006, 14:50
tevez+mascherano...sweet
http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=413004&CPID=8&clid=1&lid=&title=Corinthians+duo+England+ bound?
if you read the article it says Arsenal are leaders for Tevez and we have to fight Chelsea for Mascherano who will offer more money so we may not get either of 'em
im pissed off about hargreaves i was looking forward to seeing him in a United shirt...ah well maybe at january transfer window eh!
ecureuil
30-08-2006, 16:46
Tevez and Mascherano are both in London having medicals at Arsenal.
Article isn't in English, but that's basically what it says.
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/deportiva/nota.asp?nota_id=835898
im pissed off about hargreaves i was looking forward to seeing him in a United shirt...ah well maybe at january transfer window eh!
doubt it, no point if he's ineligible for the CL. He'll ave to wait 'til next Summer unless we get Mascherano now, which I doubt.
Guillermo
30-08-2006, 16:53
Tevez and Mascherano are both in London having medicals at Arsenal.
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/deportiva/nota.asp?nota_id=835898
No way do Arsenal have the funds for it. Even if they did manage to sell Reyes only one would be buyable.
Unless Arsenal are going to do a lucky dip and pick one of them to buy, then let United/Chelsea fight over the other. :huh:
TheBishop
30-08-2006, 16:56
No way do Arsenal have the funds for it. Even if they did manage to sell Reyes only one would be buyable.
Unless Arsenal are going to do a lucky dip and pick one of them to buy. :huh:
We do have the funds for it. Don't let our lack of big money signings fool you. Every quote i've read regarding our transfer budget has always suggested money wasn't a problem.
Guillermo
30-08-2006, 17:00
We do have the funds for it. Don't let our lack of big money signings fool you. Every quote i've read regarding our transfer budget has always suggested money wasn't a problem.
I would've thought funds would be short at the moment as the stadium's only just been completed.
wrigh2uk
30-08-2006, 17:07
I would've thought funds would be short at the moment as the stadium's only just been completed.
We Paid for that stadium seasons ago, Reyes was the only signin we really splashed out on in like the past 3 seasons.
TheBishop
30-08-2006, 17:08
I would've thought funds would be short at the moment as the stadium's only just been completed.
That was my first thought but from what i've heard more recently, money isn't an issue. Plus we actually made more money than any other premiership side last season, even more than Chelsea. Mostly down to our Champions League Final appearance. Think we got 50-55 million over last season alone.
ecureuil
30-08-2006, 20:58
http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=413190&CPID=21&clid=1&lid=&title=Juve+reject+Chelsea+Trez +talk
Chelsea are a fucking disgrace. They are in for every player United show an interest in. This "Chelsea buying players just to stop other teams buying them" conspiracy happens so often, it's quite believeable.
bbjaylive
30-08-2006, 21:47
Couldn't United just privately buy the players without showing interest. Then Chelsea wouldn't be on the hunt.
http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=413190&CPID=21&clid=1&lid=&title=Juve+reject+Chelsea+Trez +talk
Chelsea are a fucking disgrace. They are in for every player United show an interest in. This "Chelsea buying players just to stop other teams buying them" conspiracy happens so often, it's quite believeable.
"However, Secco has now claimed that Juve have received no offers from Chelsea for Trezeguet and that in any case, any bid would fall on deaf ears."
ecureuil
30-08-2006, 22:34
Yeah Joel, I know it said that. I'm just bitter that we've been through the entire transfer window and bought one fucking England fringe player for three times his worth. We've needed players since January, we got to the transfer period, we had plenty of finances, and (typically) we've pissed about with trying to wrap up transfers and Carrick aside, none of them have gone through. Mascherano and Tevez have been on the market all summer, what are we playing at? Both of them would benefit the team, but I don't think we've even enquired about them, it's a joke. We have one day left, but it looks extremely unlikely we're going to bring anyone in.
Since Rossi is now on loan to Newcastle, surely this means we're going to bring in another forward? Saha and Ole are injury prone, and that leaves Rooney, who's not going to do much by himself. Trezeguet deal back on?
Papa Lazarou
30-08-2006, 23:30
i'd say the loan of Rossi is a clear indication that we're pretty close to a new forward because otherwise we'd be too lightweight up front
and when we signed Kuzcak (sp) we refused,at the time, to let rossi go on loan to WBA in exchange...so something must have changed between then and now to make SAF change his mind and loan him out
mack10souljah
31-08-2006, 06:41
Isn't Carrick a holding midfielder? He isn't an attacking midfielder either. Right now I'm alittle confused what his role in the midfield is...
AgentZero
31-08-2006, 08:02
Couldn't United just privately buy the players without showing interest. Then Chelsea wouldn't be on the hunt.
thats impossible...they need those headlines, with every player linked with chelsea and arsenal hardly ever buying a big name player, it seems the papers need united to make those tabloid headlines.
thats impossible...they need those headlines, with every player linked with chelsea and arsenal hardly ever buying a big name player, it seems the papers need united to make those tabloid headlines.
:laugh: West Ham United
Isn't Carrick a holding midfielder? He isn't an attacking midfielder either. Right now I'm alittle confused what his role in the midfield is...A centre midfielder.
I truely, absolutely cannot believe this. Both players have been available all summer, as well as been linked with us, chelsea and arsenal, and they're going to west ham! No offence to west ham supporters, but sheesh!
Yeh, that would be a shock. Would of been two great signings for us - Two great signings for West Ham.
Lord Shrimpeh
31-08-2006, 11:00
Unbelievable, why hasn't Man United gone for them! Even on loan. I guess this is to get them big transfers in January or the summer but it's still crazy. I still have a grain of mad hope Man United will hijack the deal but it doesn't look likely. After Rossi's loan move, could our only strikers be injury hit Saha, past it Ole (come on, he is, as a regular anyway) and Alan Smith who isn't exactly prolifigate. Unless Fergie does something today, this could be Sven levels of striker stupidity.
TheBishop
31-08-2006, 11:22
Man U will be fine without Tevez or Mascherano. You still got Rooney and Scholes to come back after 1 more game, Carrick is back from injury, Saha is on an unbelievable run of premiership goals and Ronaldo is probably gonna be the young player of the year.
Lord Shrimpeh
31-08-2006, 11:58
Shrimpeh...Rooney?
Oh yeah, there is him I guess :P
No, but I'm talking about the ones who are going to score the goals. Rooney isn't prolifgate either and plays further back.
Smith was when he joined but then got thrown to midfield. Rooney got how many last season? Without RVN i think he could beak 20. Saha certaintly can on the look of his form.
AgentZero
31-08-2006, 12:06
We should really have faith in our top class youth system....Rossi to the toons is a good move for Giuseppe.
ecureuil
31-08-2006, 12:09
You can't rely on Smithy for goals, though. We need someone else, but it doesn't look likely.
Tevez and Mascherano to West Ham? I cannot fucking believe that.
Bridges and Viduka are on the market :tongue:
We are looking good upfront, Rooney is capable of scoring 20 goals atleast in the prem, so does Saha, with Smith coming back he can still score goals
ecureuil
31-08-2006, 12:20
Except what happens when Saha gets injured? Smith was never that good of a goalscorer, and with him upfront our midfield is still weak.
Well when Smith joined us, Van nistelrooy and Rooney were injured and Smith was playing very well and scoring goals
ecureuil
31-08-2006, 12:24
I just don't see him as a the prolific goalscorer that we need.
Didnt Smith get like 7 goals in his first 12 games or summat? He is brilliant if you give him a chance.
Oh yeah, there is him I guess :P
No, but I'm talking about the ones who are going to score the goals. Rooney isn't prolifgate either and plays further back.
Think you mean "prolific" rather than "prolifigate." ;)
Me thinks that SAF is happy to see how things go until January, and if we're short then we can still get Trezeguet who won't be cup tied in the CL even just to loan him. Because in the long run I think SAF is waiting for Torres and Hargreaves/Mascherano for next Summer.
Letting Rossi go to Newcastle is a fantastic piece of business, they need a striker and he will get games there at a big Premiership club, invaluable experience without possibly jeopardising United's title challenge. Because if Rossi has a couple of bad games United can't afford to not drop him.
Our remaing strikers will do fine for us - if they can stay away from injury. Ole maybe old, but if pre-season is anything to go by he's still got a lot to offer. He's got that predatory instinct like Ruud has, more so than our other strikers. I think he's the best finisher we have in that respect. Saha's on an awesome run and I don't see why he can't keep it up. Smithy can provide good cover for the other three as he regains his fitness. Hopefully he can show the kind of form he did while Rooney and Ruud were out a couple of seasons ago. Perhaps loaning Saviola might have been a good idea just in case though.
I can also see more goals coming from midfield this season, with Scholes coming back and Ronaldo getting better all the time along with Giggs recapturing his form we should get on just fine.
ecureuil
31-08-2006, 14:47
Yeah, I agree, we MIGHT be alright. I just like to have some insurance.
The whole MSI/Abramovich thing is the whole reason we didn't get, and will never get Mascherano or Tevez.
Insurance is void in football in that sense, even if we had Ruud there was no guarantee he'd get the 20+ goals a season we would expect. Nothing is promised in football so might and probably are the best your opinion can 'probably' be at this point in time.
Papa Lazarou
31-08-2006, 15:49
i still have faith that we have something up our sleeve before deadline tonight
ecureuil
31-08-2006, 16:25
I can't see how we are possibly going to get anyone before midnight tonight. How is that going to happen? To sign, the player must be there to sign the contract. There is clearly no-one there, because if a top player was going to sign, someone would have seen him arrive at Old Trafford to put pen to paper. Do you expect them to wait until 11:55pm and then go "Oh hey, by the way here's Trezeguet that we bought earlier in the day" It's very very unlikely. I've given up hope of us adding to our squad.
Papa Lazarou
31-08-2006, 16:28
I can't see how we are possibly going to get anyone before midnight tonight. How is that going to happen? To sign, the player must be there to sign the contract. There is clearly no-one there, because if a top player was going to sign, someone would have seen him arrive at Old Trafford to put pen to paper. Do you expect them to wait until 11:55pm and then go "Oh hey, by the way here's Trezeguet that we bought earlier in the day" It's very very unlikely. I've given up hope of us adding to our squad.
thats a very defeatist attitude...to me, things seem suspiciously quiet so i'm still hopeful
oh and it looks like Keane will make Liam Miller one of his first signings for Sunderland (heard it on Sky Sports News)
Papa Lazarou
31-08-2006, 16:30
ok i know, i know, double post but here's summit interesting that i found on Wikipedia about Tevez (look in the last paragraph)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_T%C3%A9vez
it seems that Man U have put a bid in for him
edit:shit they took that bit off just as i posted it!
Stormrider
31-08-2006, 17:33
Wow good job West Ham. Maybe they went there cuz they'd be automatic 1st choices? I really can't see either of them fit in our system anyways, and they'd be benched so much at Chelsea. Arsenal already has Gilberto and Reyes so don't see y Wenger would want to spend so much for cover. West Ham seems the ideal choice, they're lookin really good on paper now.
:tumble:
Not much going on is there...
Phatmann
31-08-2006, 19:59
:tumble:
Not much going on is there...
:no:
Now that Rossi has gone on loan, surely we should be trying for another striker :mellow: Considering we now have Rooney, Saha and Solskjaer as our only 1st team strikers, and it's a bit too much to expect Solskjaer to survive the whole season injury free, or at 100% fitness throughout.
We still have Smith to come back, so all is not lost
vanNistelrooy
31-08-2006, 20:17
He'll bang in 20+ won't he :rolleyes:
As would Rossi. ;)
But seriously, they must put on their thinking caps which they seem to have lost nowadays. Giving Rossi away for half the season and leaving ourselves with a hot-headed Rooney, injury professional Saha and Ole alongside Smith who maybe weaker now after his horrific double-break. We need someone. David Trezeguet would be a good replacement for anyone, even if he's only brought in on loan I assume he would do a great job for us. He's a natural goal-scorer and he's about as prolific as Ruud, except Juve are more likely to sell for cheap.
:no:
Now that Rossi has gone on loan, surely we should be trying for another striker :mellow: Considering we now have Rooney, Saha and Solskjaer as our only 1st team strikers, and it's a bit too much to expect Solskjaer to survive the whole season injury free, or at 100% fitness throughout.
According to reports Solskjaer off to sunderland, but nothing is confirmed as of yet. If im not mistaken didnt the rooney deal get done around 11pm? :erm:
i doubt we will get another CF.
vanNistelrooy
31-08-2006, 20:30
One forward I'd like to see at Old Trafford:
Robbie Keane
It looks like we may not get a striker so we must use what we have until January and I have to say it is not as bad you think. We have Rooney and Saha who will start and have Solskjaer and Smith as back ups. Say if Rooney gets injured, along with Solskjaer and Smith, we can use Giggs,Ronnie or Scholes to play behind the striker and have a free role. In terms of back ups I think we have the best sqaud that can switch players into different positions
Phatmann
31-08-2006, 20:33
According to reports Solskjaer off to sunderland, but nothing is confirmed as of yet. If im not mistaken didnt the rooney deal get done around 11pm? :erm:
i doubt we will get another CF.
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:laugh: yea apparenlty a 4 month loan. Probably load of bull, lets hope so :ohmy:
that would leave Saha, Smith and Rooney.
vanNistelrooy
31-08-2006, 20:35
Ole won't leave. Especially as it appears he has a look in on the team.
Phatmann
31-08-2006, 20:36
Ole won't leave. Especially as it appears he has a look in on the team.
Exactly, so stop scaring me singh :angry:
I don't think Manchester United should be worrying about signing anyone right now. Your team probably have the best defence options, a solid midfield and your strikers are scoring goals. Most importantly, the team spirit is VERY HIGH there, haven't seen it like that in a long time. I say that you'll be fine and could just strenghen in January if needed.
Phatmann
31-08-2006, 20:43
I don't think Manchester United should be worrying about signing anyone right now. Your team probably have the best defence options, a solid midfield and your strikers are scoring goals. Most importantly, the team spirit is VERY HIGH there, haven't seen it like that in a long time. I say that you'll be fine and could just strenghen in January if needed.
It's more the fact that we've loaned out our backup striker, and with injuries could be left with very few options up front.
vanNistelrooy
31-08-2006, 20:45
Why sign someone in January? That would imply we would NEED someone in January when it may be too late to catch Chelski. If SAF feels he needs to strengthen an area he should do it now, not in January. He only signed Evra because of Heinze's injury. He only signed Vidic because, well I don't know why the hell he signed him! :lol:
It's more the fact that we've loaned out our backup striker, and with injuries could be left with very few options up front.
Anyone know if there's an option to recall?
He only signed Vidic because, well I don't know why the hell he signed him! :lol:
:laugh: vidic is a monster, he scares strikers away.
http://www.sunderland-mad.co.uk/news/loadnews.asp?cid=TMNW&id=295915
the ole story :tongue:
Millers gone!! :cool:
Also where the fuck is gill? :realmad: what happend to our 2 world class signings? :realmad:
Trezeguets been spotted at Manchester according to a few sites. Odds to join United down to 1.3 on betfair
:erm:
Even if Rossi was staying he would not be starting any matches or coming on with Solskjaer coming back and Smith aswell so sending him on loan was a good move
Phatmann
31-08-2006, 20:55
:laugh: vidic is a monster, he scares strikers away.
http://www.sunderland-mad.co.uk/news/loadnews.asp?cid=TMNW&id=295915
the ole story :tongue:
Millers gone!! :cool:
Also where the fuck is gill? :realmad: what happend to our 2 world class signings? :realmad:
:erm:
Vidic is class.
Where has Miller gone?
Vidic is class.
Where has Miller gone?
Sunderland
Phatmann
31-08-2006, 20:58
Sunderland
Result! :w00t
We've now lost 3 players (Eagles, Rossi, Miller) on deadline day and brought no-one in :mellow:
TheBishop
31-08-2006, 20:59
With Rossi already gone, i can't see why Ferguson would let Solskjaer go, especially as he's finally fully recovered and a big part in the club's plans.
vanNistelrooy
31-08-2006, 21:00
Please don't leave Ole! Eagles was only a loan deal so no biggy there.
Probably just a load of old crock posted by the fans stirring rumours.
vanNistelrooy
31-08-2006, 22:26
Anyone watching SSN?
Someone emailed/text in claiming to live down Sir Matt Busby Way. Said was leaving house half hour ago and saw David Trezeguet being chauffered in a limo with a big smile on his face.
Hmmmmm.
Guillermo
31-08-2006, 22:28
Where's the info on this Miller deal?
vanNistelrooy
31-08-2006, 22:47
Where's the info on this Miller deal?
Three year deal
Free transfer
Guillermo
31-08-2006, 22:53
Three year deal
Free transfer
Is it just on SSN?
Free transfer :erm:
vanNistelrooy
31-08-2006, 23:02
More than I expected us to have got :lol:
Stormrider
31-08-2006, 23:08
Anyone watching SSN?
Someone emailed/text in claiming to live down Sir Matt Busby Way. Said was leaving house half hour ago and saw David Trezeguet being chauffered in a limo with a big smile on his face.
Hmmmmm.
That would be sweet. Especially after Saha admitting he'd rather have Ruud with us even if that means Saha has to spend lots of time on the bench. Trezeguet starting with Saha supersub :cool:
And Rossi is only gone til January. And he can't play against us so good deal.
OK, so it's 23:08 and we've signed bo diddly today.
What's everyone's views? If we should have got someone say who you think (not including Tevez and Mascherano as we assume something is 'going on' behind the scenes there for them to go to West Ham on permanent deals).
I personally think that Tevez and Mascherano were beyond us, Abramovich would make sure they wouldn't go to us or Arsenal.
To be quite honest I'm not that bothered. We're doing fine in the league for the moment, (though emphasis on 'for the moment'). If we go out next Summer and get Torres and Hargreaves then I will be happier than if we'd bought Tev and Masc this season, as I think they're better for this club.
Arsenal already has Gilberto and Reyes so don't see y Wenger would want to spend so much for cover
Tev and Masc WOULD NOT be backup for the above two, quite the opposite. Plus Reyes has gone on a swap deal now hasn't he?
ecureuil
31-08-2006, 23:16
At the end of last season, everyone was complaining that we desperately needed to strengthen our squad, yet we've had one in, and 4 out. Now people are saying we're fine? When a couple of injuries hit, we will be absolutely screwed! Can't you see that? We've got off to a great start this season, but to be honest we've played 3 of the worst teams in the league.
Viperized
31-08-2006, 23:18
Man Utd have about 45 mins to sign someone until the Transfer Window closes. Not looking good for you as I believe you look quite weak up front.
Mambo you are right - Abramovich made sure Tevez and Masch didn't sign for Arsenal or Man Utd.
Guruhamboy
31-08-2006, 23:19
you must of mis typed. We've had two in. Personally im not over the moon the way the transfer window has gone for us, no Hargreaves, no Torres, but still, we know when we're in trouble when we loose to the Portsmouth. How mnay signings did they make again?
Stormrider
31-08-2006, 23:20
I was thinkin that either way Arsenal would have expensive cover. But when I posted that I thought Reyes was stayin put. Anyways, I can only think of Trezeguet as someone who can benefit us. If we don't sign him then I'm not too worried, we have lots of options, and in the chance of mass injury we can just play 4-4-1-1.
ecureuil
31-08-2006, 23:21
Meh, Kuszczak doesn't even count, it's not like we needed him or that he's going to make a difference to the team.
Guruhamboy
31-08-2006, 23:22
you never know. What happens if Van der Sar breaks a finger?
TheBishop
31-08-2006, 23:22
I don't think you lot should be too disappointed if you don't sign anyone. You have a much better squad then alot of people think.
technically it's four out, and four in. Paul Scholes is the third, and Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is the fourth. In Scholes and Michael Carrick we've strengthened the main area we were weak in last season, yet despite this weakness went on a fantastic run at the end of the season (up until the chelsea game).
Up front we've lost one of the most natural goalscorers of all time, true. But then again, Saha is on a fantastic run and is really relishing his extended run in the first team. We also have a natural goalscrer back in Ole, and Smithy when he is back can now go back up front into his natural position.
So in these repects we are up on last season. Sure I'd have liked to see Hargreaves and Torres, but we seem to be OK for now, and I hop ewe get them next Summer.
vanNistelrooy
31-08-2006, 23:37
Our squad is currently not up to competing for the league. I'll be damned if The Carling Cup is what I have to look forward to again this season.
ecureuil
31-08-2006, 23:38
We had Scholes and Smith at the start of last season, and we still needed to strengthen.
Good to have Ole back, though.
TheBishop
31-08-2006, 23:40
Our squad is currently not up to competing for the league. I'll be damned if The Carling Cup is what I have to look forward to again this season.
Its FA Cup this year :D
Nah, i'm expecting Man U to finish at least 2nd in the league, much closer or maybe overtake, Chelsea. And they'll surely be better in Europe this time around.
Stormrider
31-08-2006, 23:47
technically it's four out, and four in. Paul Scholes is the third, and Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is the fourth. In Scholes and Michael Carrick we've strengthened the main area we were weak in last season, yet despite this weakness went on a fantastic run at the end of the season (up until the chelsea game).
Up front we've lost one of the most natural goalscorers of all time, true. But then again, Saha is on a fantastic run and is really relishing his extended run in the first team. We also have a natural goalscrer back in Ole, and Smithy when he is back can now go back up front into his natural position.
So in these repects we are up on last season. Sure I'd have liked to see Hargreaves and Torres, but we seem to be OK for now, and I hop ewe get them next Summer.
Exactly how I feel.
Lord Shrimpeh
01-09-2006, 00:12
Scholes is not a new signing. He played the start of last season, and how you can call a 31 year old coming back from injury "like a new signing" is beyond me. He's a shadow of what he was... a still very good shadow, but a shadow nonetheless. Smith is better news, but he is no 20-goal a season scorer and is no replacement for Ruud... just like he wasn't for Keane.
Basically, we've lost our best striker and not replaced him. Our midfield has been slightly strengthened but not enough and not in the right position. Meanwhile our rivals have all spent big and made some very astute signings, signing anyone half decent under £15 million seems almost impossible for us.
Although I'm pleased with the start we've made... and confident we will make the champions league places I don't expect anything much else this season. And for a club of United's standing that ought to be improving season on season this is worrying.
Oh and anyone seen this http://stateofthegame.co.uk/2006/08/31/something-fishy-tevez-mascherano-west-ham-united/ ? Interesting... and very worrying.
Hargreaves, senna, torres, tevez, mascha, reo coker, duscher, trezeguet and many more names.
Thank god the windows shut, im glad we didnt panic buy though.
Stormrider
01-09-2006, 04:59
Oh and anyone seen this http://stateofthegame.co.uk/2006/08/31/something-fishy-tevez-mascherano-west-ham-united/ ? Interesting... and very worrying.
Very interesting indeed. Also like some users say, it could be like a down payment from MSI in a deal to buy West Ham. Chelsea can do what they want for all I care. We along with Arsenal and Liverpool will continue to attract quality players. Not like we need any more players anyways, we're definitely playing the better football so far and last season we weren't far off at all with all our injuries..
U can't deny that a healthy Scholes is a big boost for us. He had his eye problem all of last season and we had to play 1/2 of the season with O'shea and Giggs in center, cmon now....Now we got 2 natural CM in Scholes and Carrick, our midfield is lookin solid. Everyone keeps asking for a holder but where are we gonna put him?
And get over Ruud already. We had the best start in a while without him. Saha has scored 20 b4, his form is red hot right now, don't see y he can't do it again. And remember, our squad is younger than Chelsea's. Rooney and Ronaldo can get a lot better, so stop worrying :happy:
p.s. about us improving every season, 83 points is an excellent return and would've won the league any other season pre Arsenal's invincibles. Barcelona won theirs with 82 points. For us to go undefeated is asking 2 much, u can't do much better than 83 points. I'm just waiting out Chelsea's run, and they're dropping points so far so I hope we don't have to wait much longer :)
mack10souljah
01-09-2006, 06:42
I watched the reserves play against Blackburn and Alan Smith doesn't look like he is quite himself yet. Hopefully he finds his striker form soon before the international break is over...
Transfer deadline day has passed, and Manchester United, English football's biggest and most celebrated institution, have signed nobody, despite the desperate need for a ball winning, aggressive midfielder and to a lesser extent, a top class striker.
What a joke.
I'm not that disappointed that we haven't signed anyone- that was expected. Any red who thought we were going to go out and sign Tevez, Mascherano, Hargreaves or Trez after spending £18 million on Hargreaves is delisional. We don't have that sort of money.
What has been disappointing is the huge exodous from OT. We've lost a lot of players who haven't been replaced.
Surely now all those clueless bastards who said we should 'wait and see' about the Glazers will admit how utterly fucking stupid they've been and wise up? Of the four centre-forwards we started the day with (not counting Rooney), one hasn't played for two seasons (due to injuries), one has played less than half the games since he signed (due to injuries), one has been out for six months (due to injuries), and the other has been dispatched to Newcastle.
Never mind Rooney and Ronaldo carrying us to fourth place, if anything happens to those two we'll be lucky to avoid relegation.
There's been close to 35 loan deals since that day in May. I can't wait to see what the Carling Cup matches this season will be like, first eleven fans to turn up get a game.
Somebody show me the way to Gigg Lane.
Statement from MUST:
MUST statement 1 September 2006 The transfer window has closed and United has bought only one new player - Michael Carrick at £18.6m. United fans are rightly asking - where are the 'two world-class midfielders' that Gill promised before the World Cup started?
Why have we not replaced Ruud?
United's summer's transfer fund should have been around £40 million. The Glazers promised an annual £25m in their business plan; United received £6m received from Chelsea for Obi Mikel, and £10m from Real Madrid for Ruud.
And this is the second season in a row under the Glazers where spending has fallen well short of the promised budget.
In fact, United is the lowest PL net spender this summer - the club has made a profit of around £4m on transfers. Carrick cost an initial £14m, while the sales of Obi Mikel, Spector and van Nistelrooy have brought in around £18.
This news comes at a time when United are claiming record revenues - the new
sponsorship deal, new capacity at Old Trafford, and another huge hike in season ticket prices. The United team, while looking good in early season, is basically the same as last year minus a world class striker and with three long-term injury returnees, Scholes, Smith and Heinze. The fans are right to feel let down that there has been only one new signing - but who's
to blame for this?
Some would say the embarrassing transfer shambles this summer is Gill and
Ferguson's fault - the money was there but they fai