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Viperized
01-09-2006, 13:17
I believe Man Utd may struggle to score goals in some games if Saha gets injured. Also you do look rather weak in central midfield. Carrick and Scholes are most likely to be first choice, but which midfielders have you got as backup? It is only Fletcher?
I'm glad we didn't rush into any transfers to be honest. I'd rather have no-one in than another £6million Kleberson. Personally, I think the money WAS there, but the players weren't at the right price. Torres was our top target, yet he and Atletico both said he's staying on for another year. So wait a year. I wouldn't want SAF rushing out and paying over the odds for some sub standard player jsut because we've made a fucking net profit on transfers.
Bayern were equally stubborn with Hargreaves, and to be honest do we really want to spend £18million on him? Not really. £12million is about right (considering he's English). I don't want United to start getting the kind of mark up on players that Chelsea do because other clubs know we will pay over the odds for players, that's where Kenyon has fucked up at Chelsea. Sure we missed out on Tevez and Mascherano, but then again I think we have our suspicions that something else is going on behind the scenes on that one. Then again, Torres IMO is better suited to partnering and complementing Rooney than Tevez is. And i wouldn't feel hard done by if we ended up with Hargreaves rather than Mascherano.
So who do we want? Do we really want 30 year old Senna? In hindsight maybe for £4million as it was supposed to be would have been a good temporary investment. But spending £10million on trezeguet when Torres is what we really want seems a little stupid to me. Why not give what we've got a chance? It's done well so far, and if not Trezeguet is still available in January eligable for the CL et all. I personally think we can wait one season to get what we want.
As I said before, if we're waiting for Hargreaves and Torres and they go threw next Summer I will be more than happy.
MUST will take every opportunity to blast the Glazers, and this is a perfect opportunity to do so. You can say all day that there wasn't money there, but can prove nothing. Do you think SAF would stay quiet about having his hands tied behind the scenes in the transfer market? I don't think so. Saying that United have been putting in rediculous bids for players knowing they will be rejected just to fool us into thinking we're trying to make good signings is a rather decadent conspiracy theory if you ask me. I would take everything they have to say with a pinch of salt.
Passing off the return of Heinze and Scholes as insignificant is rather rediculous. Heinze, voted our best player the previous season, provides a great stability to the team that was sorely missed and has that bite and passion that inspires those around him. Scholes maybe 31, but he can still do a job for us. He's back to fill in our weakest position, along with Carrick. This frees up Giggs to enjoy his finest form for years in his natural position and O'Shea to take his inconsistent performances back to the bench where they belong.
There is absolutely no doubt that losing a 40goal a season striker and not replacing him could be disastrous for the club, but then Ruud used to carry most of the goalscroing burden by himself other than Rooney. With Ronaldo improving all the time, Scholes back to hopefully his goalscoring, Ole back with his predatory instincts, Saha maintaining his fantastic goals to game ratio I think that burden can be shared between what we have here for the time being. Until next Summer anyway.
ffs what the fuck is going on in here? you say we will struggle to score goals, well I disagree. Yes we have lost RVN which is a big blow and we were linked with Trezeguet and we were not able to but him and to be honest I am Happy we didnt buy him as we have better options next summer i.e Torres on the otherhand we still have players than can score goals, Ronney, Saha, Ronaldo, Scholes, Giggs. We have to make do with what the sqaud we have and MAYBE we can add to it in January
Viperized
01-09-2006, 15:14
ffs what the fuck is going on in here? you say we will struggle to score goals, well I disagree. Yes we have lost RVN which is a big blow and we were linked with Trezeguet and we were not able to but him and to be honest I am Happy we didnt buy him as we have better options next summer i.e Torres on the otherhand we still have players than can score goals, Ronney, Saha, Ronaldo, Scholes, Giggs. We have to make do with what the sqaud we have and MAYBE we can add to it in January
Did you even read what I said? I said you'll struggle to score if Saha gets injured.
Did you even read what I said? I said you'll struggle to score if Saha gets injured.
I wasnt even aiming it at you
Good news if its true.
Man Utd have option on West Ham's Mascherano
tribalfooball.com - September 01, 2006
Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson has secured first option on new West Ham United signing Javier Mascherano.
The deal that took Mascherano and Corinthians teammate Carlos Tevez to West Ham was thrashed out by Hammers boss Alan Pardew and agents Pini Zahavi and Jonathan Barnett, plus Iranian businessman Kia Joorbachian who owns Media Sports Investments which has financial control of the Brazilian club.
The Mirror says United boss Ferguson has been assured by Zahavi that he will be given first option on Mascherano next summer - but will have to pay in excess of £18 million.
Man Utd dropped Mascherano talks before West Ham deal
tribalfooball.com - September 01, 2006
Manchester United could have clinched the signing of Javier Mascherano ahead of West Ham yesterday, it has been revealed.
Alberto Dualib, the Corinthians president, held talks with United about both Mascherano and Carlos Tevez this week.
The Times says according to sources close to Corinthians, Dualib held talks with a number of clubs, including Chelsea, Arsenal and United.
The closest he came to a deal was with the Old Trafford club, who had expressed an interest in Mascherano. Early Thursday evening, however, Dualib received a call from Old Trafford informing him that United would not be pursuing their interest in the young midfield player.
Thus began a frantic negotiation with West Ham United, which lasted well into the night. At about 2am yesterday, an agreement was reached.
Manchester United
In: Michael Carrick (Tottenham Hotspur); Tomasz Kuszczak (West Bromwich Albion).
Out: Tim Howard (Everton); Quinton Fortune (Bolton Wanderers); Jonathan Spector (West Ham United); Sylvan Ebanks-Blake (Plymouth Argyle); Ruud van Nistelrooy (Real Madrid); Gerard Pique (Real Zaragoza); Luke Steele, Paul McShane (both West Bromwich Albion); Tommy Lee (Macclesfield); Eddie Johnson (Bradford); Ben Foster (Watford); David Bellion (released); Phil Picken (Chesterfield); Phil Bardsley, Lee Martin (both Rangers); Giuseppe Rossi (Newcastle United), Chris Eagles (NEC Nijmigen); Liam Miller (Sunderland).
Viperized
01-09-2006, 17:02
The source is tribalfootball. I have nothing else to say.
Stormrider
01-09-2006, 22:12
I believe Man Utd may struggle to score goals in some games if Saha gets injured. Also you do look rather weak in central midfield. Carrick and Scholes are most likely to be first choice, but which midfielders have you got as backup? It is only Fletcher?
Well I'm not so pessimistic and thinking about Saha getting injured is not the 1st thing on my mind. We do have options and different formations in the event he takes a knock. If its long term we can loan someone in January. Carrick is not injury prone, Scholes is a little but we don't have just Fletcher. O'shea and Giggs enjoy playing that role and are decent enough cover for Scholes. Park can play in the center as well. Again if its long term we can act in January, but I don't like all this pessimistic attitude.
Just realised ur with the Gunners so don't think u'd know much about where our players can play. Worry about ur own club as we're better equipped if Saha gets injured. How are u gonna cope if Henry gets injured? Judging from last season, not 2 good :)
AgentZero
01-09-2006, 22:17
In: Michael Carrick (Tottenham Hotspur); Tomasz Kuszczak (West Bromwich Albion).
Out: Tim Howard (Everton); Quinton Fortune (Bolton Wanderers); Jonathan Spector (West Ham United); Sylvan Ebanks-Blake (Plymouth Argyle); Ruud van Nistelrooy (Real Madrid); Gerard Pique (Real Zaragoza); Luke Steele, Paul McShane (both West Bromwich Albion); Tommy Lee (Macclesfield); Eddie Johnson (Bradford); Ben Foster (Watford); David Bellion (released); Phil Picken (Chesterfield); Phil Bardsley, Lee Martin (both Rangers); Giuseppe Rossi (Newcastle United), Chris Eagles (NEC Nijmigen); Liam Miller (Sunderland).
hmm very even isn't it. Im glad most of the youngsters are getting proper firstteam experiance elsewhere....im keen on seeing Giuseppe progress at newcastle
Dr. Bob Kelso
01-09-2006, 22:28
I read today in the Guardian that there is actually thought to be a buy out clause on each player and that Tevez could have been bought after the World Cup for in the region of 35 million.
Chelski anyone ?
AgentZero
02-09-2006, 12:01
it just hit me since Van Nistlerooy changed his/her username to Giuseppe Rossi...and now Giuseppe has joined the toons on a loan spell...what will his/her new username be?....Ole Solksjaer....Louis Saha
Probably just stick with Rossi since it's only a short Loan and he's still technically a Manchester United player.
Viperized
02-09-2006, 12:58
Well I'm not so pessimistic and thinking about Saha getting injured is not the 1st thing on my mind. We do have options and different formations in the event he takes a knock. If its long term we can loan someone in January. Carrick is not injury prone, Scholes is a little but we don't have just Fletcher. O'shea and Giggs enjoy playing that role and are decent enough cover for Scholes. Park can play in the center as well. Again if its long term we can act in January, but I don't like all this pessimistic attitude.
Just realised ur with the Gunners so don't think u'd know much about where our players can play. Worry about ur own club as we're better equipped if Saha gets injured. How are u gonna cope if Henry gets injured? Judging from last season, not 2 good :)
We can cope without Henry as we have another striker who is a very good finisher - Baptista.
vanNistelrooy
02-09-2006, 14:30
it just hit me since Van Nistlerooy changed his/her username to Giuseppe Rossi...and now Giuseppe has joined the toons on a loan spell...what will his/her new username be?....Ole Solksjaer....Louis Saha
Probably just stick with Rossi since it's only a short Loan and he's still technically a Manchester United player.
I love all this attention ;)
I was thinking of changing it at the start of the week, as it looks too long. Probably just to G Rossi.
vanNistelrooy
02-09-2006, 20:17
Norway are currently 4-0 up at Hungary and Ole has scored 2!
Phatmann
02-09-2006, 20:53
Norway are currently 4-0 up at Hungary and Ole has scored 2!
GET IN!
Sahas injured again, lets hope its not serious.
France were getting kicked all over the pitch, but atleast Saha got a goal
Saha has only recieved a suspected sprained/twisted ankle so I wouldn't be too worried, expected time out maybe around a week or so.
Phatmann
02-09-2006, 23:33
Saha has only recieved a suspected sprained/twisted ankle so I wouldn't be too worried, expected time out maybe around a week or so.
So I'm guessing he may be a doubt for the spurs game? :huh: Is Solskjaer our only current fit striker? :mellow: (who isn't suspended)
I love all this attention ;)
I was thinking of changing it at the start of the week, as it looks too long. Probably just to G Rossi.
Is your real name Joey?
vanNistelrooy
03-09-2006, 02:18
Is your real name Joey?
No, it's Bryan.
Guillermo
03-09-2006, 12:27
Manchester United turned down the opportunity to sign Argentine midfielder Javier Mascherano on two occasions during the summer.
On Thursday, Mascherano, 22, and striker Carlos Tevez, 22, signed for West Ham from Corinthians of Brazil on permanent deals for undisclosed fees.
"We were never interested in Tevez," United chief executive David Gill told BBC Five Live's Sportsweek programme.
"We were also offered Mascherano but we didn't want to go for him."
Gill added: "We were offered Mascherano for a significant sum at the start of the summer and also last week on a loan deal.
"We had watched him last season but the manager and his staff didn't want to pursue him.
"While he is clearly a very good player it was decided he wasn't required at the club."
Meanwhile, Gill remains upbeat over the chances of a new contract for striker Wayne Rooney.
England international Rooney, 20, wants to extend the six-season deal he signed when he joined United in August 2004.
"His eagerness to sign a long-term deal is great," said Gill. "I think there will be developments over the next few months.
"We want to tie him down to the club."
Fuck David Gill, bastard. He knows nothing.
vanNistelrooy
03-09-2006, 12:30
Well signing him would make us ask why did he sign Carrick?
Guillermo
03-09-2006, 12:32
Well signing him would make us ask why did he sign Carrick?
He knows nothing.
;)
He's said that we got one of the world class midfielders that he hoped for, but failed to get the other (in Hargreaves). Carrick and Hargreaves, the two world class midfielders we were looking for? Kinda shows what true ambitions they have for the club.
vanNistelrooy
03-09-2006, 12:36
We have O'Shea and Feltcher so we're set ;)
;)
He's said that we got one of the world class midfielders that he hoped for, but failed to get the other (in Hargreaves). Carrick and Hargreaves, the two world class midfielders we were looking for? Kinda shows what true ambitions they have for the club.
Did you not watch Hargreaves yesterday? Give Carrick a chance, too. He's been written off as because of the price tag. Let him prove what he can do. If we end up with hargreaves and Carrick as our central pair I will be more than happy. In a couple of seasons the prospect of a team like this exccites me:
Van Der Saar (If he's still got it)
G Neville
Heinze
Brown
Ferdinand
a new left winger (Ribery?)
Carrick
Hargreaves
Ronaldo
Rooney
Torres
This is what United should be moving towards in my opinion
Guillermo
03-09-2006, 12:54
It'll haunt Fergie for the rest of his managerial career now. Mascherano is young and the perfect defensive midfielder we've been looking for. Potential to be best in the world. United have blown it big time there. If anyone says Hargreaves will be/or is better than Mascherano, then they deserve to be shot.
ecureuil
03-09-2006, 12:58
If Mascherano had all the same contractual requirements as he does now at West Ham, I can see why United didn't go for him.
AgentZero
03-09-2006, 12:59
i think in two to three seasons time, we'll have yet another class striker...i do hope its either torres or huntelaar, the two hyped ones.
but id back Vidic to become a regular at the back four with Kieran Richardson effectively covering the void left by Giggs or perhaps ronaldo slot into the left side and we get say lennon or someone else
i think in two to three seasons time, we'll have yet another class striker...i do hope its either torres or huntelaar, the two hyped ones.
but id back Vidic to become a regular at the back four with Kieran Richardson effectively covering the void left by Giggs or perhaps ronaldo slot into the left side and we get say lennon or someone else
Torres or Huntelaar would be superb signings and I'd welcome either with open arms.
I can never see Vidic breaking through to be honest, I already feel our Evans is a better Centre-Back than Vidic. I just hope we don't flog him off cheap for a silly reason as he's a great natural. Can't see Richardson filling the Giggs void either, probably end up bringing in another young player from abroad. Although Giggs has another 2 years or so left in him by his performances so far I think.
No, it's Bryan.
You have a very random email adress then...
vanNistelrooy
03-09-2006, 13:17
Well if I said Joey Cape was the lead singer of Lagwagon you wouldn't know who I was on about. Probably only one person on this board would (that person being Nath).
Torres or Huntelaar would be superb signings and I'd welcome either with open arms.
I can never see Vidic breaking through to be honest, I already feel our Evans is a better Centre-Back than Vidic. I just hope we don't flog him off cheap for a silly reason as he's a great natural. Can't see Richardson filling the Giggs void either, probably end up bringing in another young player from abroad. Although Giggs has another 2 years or so left in him by his performances so far I think.
I don't think Richardson is good enough. Maybe Downing if he fulfills his potential. I would much rather see a naturally left footed player on the left than have to put Ronaldo there, despite Lennon's obvious talent. He's still a little like Ronaldo a couple of season ago in that the final pass/cross/shot isn't quite up to scratch (and yes i did see the England game yesterday but from what I've seen before his crossing isn't that consistently good). And Ronaldo himself still has a way to go before his final balls are better.
Papa Lazarou
03-09-2006, 14:43
i'd personally keep Richardson than Downing...he's overrated in my opinion
anyways there's always Park to come in on either flank and we have Eagles who reminds me a little of Beckham in his style
vanNistelrooy
03-09-2006, 14:47
i'd personally keep Richardson than Downing...he's overrated in my opinion
anyways there's always Park to come in on either flank and we have Eagles who reminds me a little of Beckham in his style
Gay looking?
Papa Lazarou
03-09-2006, 14:52
Gay looking?
...yes
I dont think need another winger to replace Giggs, we have Richardson and Park, we only need a winger to replace if Ronaldo decides to leave
Torres or Huntelaar would be superb signings and I'd welcome either with open arms.
I can never see Vidic breaking through to be honest, I already feel our Evans is a better Centre-Back than Vidic. I just hope we don't flog him off cheap for a silly reason as he's a great natural. Can't see Richardson filling the Giggs void either, probably end up bringing in another young player from abroad. Although Giggs has another 2 years or so left in him by his performances so far I think.
We have Pique so I dont think we need Evans
vanNistelrooy
03-09-2006, 15:59
We WILL need a left winger to replace Giggs after he retires.
We have Pique so I dont think we need Evans
Pique is on loan to Zaragoza with a view to a permant deal. Also he's not good enough.
We WILL need a left winger to replace Giggs after he retires.
Pique is on loan to Zaragoza with a view to a permant deal. Also he's not good enough.
I ment that Pique is more likely to make the first team ahead of Evans and he is our best young defender, I hope he comes back after his loan
i'd personally keep Richardson than Downing...he's overrated in my opinion
anyways there's always Park to come in on either flank and we have Eagles who reminds me a little of Beckham in his styleRichardson is gash.
I ment that Pique is more likely to make the first team ahead of Evans and he is our best young defender, I hope he comes back after his loan
Evans is a much better young defender than Pique. Much better, hes been outstanding in the reserves when hes played, consistant and very controlling.
Also both Downing and Richardson are overated, people seem to think Downing has a good cross however thats wrong. Downing has only learnt to cross a ball in the last month, hes been shite at crossing for the 3 years before that.
Whats with Brown these days he actually looks a (okay) defender now.
Well I dont watch Man utd reserves so I havent seen Evans play before, but I have seen Pique play for Spain and he has been immense, he has got good control of the ball and technically very good
Whats with Brown these days he actually looks a (okay) defender now.
Actually? in the 2nd half of the season he has been great, probably our best defender
vanNistelrooy
03-09-2006, 18:30
Brown has always been a quality defender, he's just always been injured!
Whats with Brown these days he actually looks a (okay) defender now.He's always been quality Flukey.
vanNistelrooy
03-09-2006, 18:34
Who was it that gave him a hospital pass last night and he clattered someone/got clattered by them?
He's always been quality Flukey.
I have never and never will agree with anytrhing you have to say Jonny so on this one i have to strongly disagree.
:no:
I do rate Wes. He is not one of those 'fancy' defenders that goes around saying all sorts of things, a quick example would be "you got merked".....He just gets on with his job. Easily United's best defender and he deserves his England place.
I have never and never will agree with anytrhing you have to say Jonny so on this one i have to strongly disagree.
:no:
The guys right though, he has always been a very good defender, but his injuries in the past prevented him getting a string of games. Now he's been fairly free the last couple of seasons he has really shone and is now noticed more as a top defender. A decent RB at times too. He thoroughly deserves to be in the England squad.
vanNistelrooy
03-09-2006, 18:48
I do rate Wes. He is not one of those 'fancy' defenders that goes around saying all sorts of things, a quick example would be "you got merked".....He just gets on with his job. Easily United's best defender and he deserves his England place.
Easily United's best defender? Have you not seen Gabriel Heinze or Gary Neville?
Easily United's best defender? Have you not seen Gabriel Heinze or Gary Neville?
I can't really speak for him but he may have meant last season and if that's the case then it could be hard to argue. Of course Gary Neville was great but so was Brown so it kind of joins up nicely. Heinze is back so lets hope he can recapture his previous incredible form.
The guys right though, he has always been a very good defender, but his injuries in the past prevented him getting a string of games. Now he's been fairly free the last couple of seasons he has really shone and is now noticed more as a top defender. A decent RB at times too. He thoroughly deserves to be in the England squad.
I know you cockhead i was mearly messing about i wouldn't have said it in the first place if i didn't think he was good, over the last season alone i have seen a great improvement in his play and good for him he has stayed injury free, that until when he plays us :ninja: and yes he has fully deserverd his England start.
Can't actually believe am speaking good about a man u player especially this carrot head :no: shame on me.
Easily United's best defender? Have you not seen Gabriel Heinze or Gary Neville?
Let me rephrase......Easily United's best "Central" defender. Better??? :)
vanNistelrooy
03-09-2006, 19:16
Better.
I think it's that time of the month for him Joel.
heres the reason why united didnt go for mascherano...
http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_1471801,00.html
ecureuil
06-09-2006, 01:47
What is up with Tevez's jawline? It looks nasty as hell, especially in that picture..
http://www.teamtalk.com//Images/74313.jpg
He looks like the lovechild of Gianfranco Zola and the Tazmanian Devil.
Ferguson criticises FC
From the Manchester Evening News:
"SIR Alex Ferguson is today at the centre of a storm after criticising Reds fans who formed rebel club FC United.
In a new book, the Old Trafford boss, already under fire from some supporters for the fact that United have been the Premiership's lowest spenders during the transfer window, has labelled the thousands of fans who broke away to form the Rebels in protest against last year's takeover by the American tycoon Malcolm Glazer as self-publicists.
And he also appears to dismiss the notion of supporters having a say in the running of a football club, as well as re-iterating his statement from last season that life at Old Trafford has improved under the new regime.
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On the formation of FC United, Ferguson in `The Official Manchester United Diary of the Season,' said: "I'm sorry about that. It is a bit sad that part, but I wonder just how big a United supporter they are.
"They seem to me to be promoting or projecting themselves a wee bit rather than saying `at the end of the day the club have made a decision, we'll stick by them.' It's more about them than us."
An FC United spokesperson replied: "It's sad that Ferguson has chosen to make these comments because a war of words does no-one any good.
"When David Gill made similar comments it was easier to dismiss, but it hard to swallow when it comes from Sir Alex, who as a previous champion of supporters' rights should have a better understanding of the situation.
"The situation is that whether fans stopped going to Old Trafford on a point of principle or because they could no longer afford the prices, they did so with a heavy heart and remain Manchester United supporters. Those supporters deserve better than this."
Takeover
Sir Alex also reveals in the book, written by Tom Tyrrell, that anti-Glazer supporters had phoned him at home to urge him to resign when the takeover was going through.
Ferguson says that the prospect of leaving his staff in the lurch was the principal reason he did not quit, saying of the angry fans: "They seemed to forget that I have brought at least ... well, I've brought everybody here!
"The likes of Les Kershaw has been with me 18 years, Dave Bushell, Jim Ryan, Tony Whelan, Paul McGuinness, Mike Phelan, Brian McClair, they have been here with me virtually from the beginning, or at least over 10 or 12 years and I said `What happens to my staff if I go?' I feel that I have a responsibility to them.
"Need them to stay in a job, not me. So, therefore, there was a lot of hot air and a lot of unfair criticism because nobody actually knew the people.
"I can understand people thinking they have to protect the club, and I am fully aware of that, but all these protests should have been done when they went plc.
"That was the time to protest because thereafter Manchester United was never going to be the same."
Responsible
Many of the supporters at the core of the anti-Glazer struggle were those who had opposed the failed takeover by Rupert Murdoch's BSkyB in 1998.
Ferguson says that he was opposed to the Murdoch bid, but questions the fans' role in that successful fight, saying: "They (the fans) felt they were responsible for stopping the BSkyB deal, which is not true. Absolutely not.
"They may have made their voice heard but they were not responsible. It was the Monopolies and Mergers Commission (MMC) that stopped that.
"They carried on to the degree where they actually thought they should have a say in the running of the football club."
But those involved in the anti-Sky campaign point out that the MMC themselves referred to the role supporters played, helping to persuade the commission that the deal would have been against the public interest.
And Mark Longden of the Independent Manchester United Supporters Association hit back at the manager, saying:
"Fergie is turning into the Marie Antoinette of Old Trafford, because the stuff he is coming out with is tantamount to saying `Let them eat cake.'
"Everyone associated with United has taken money out of the football club. The only people who have constantly given to it are the fans, and that gives them the right to have a say as to how the club is run.""
Fergie. What an utter, utter twat.
Darth Daft
06-09-2006, 18:29
Fergie Out.
It begins here, well not here, but now.
Wait n see.
What is up with Tevez's jawline? It looks nasty as hell, especially in that picture..
http://www.teamtalk.com//Images/74313.jpgChildhood accident.
Joel Rojo
06-09-2006, 19:46
From Wikipedia:
Carlitos has a scar from the right ear to his chest, product of having been scalded with boiling water when he was a young boy. Carlos declined plastic surgery since he would have to be out of the playground for four months.
Guillermo
06-09-2006, 20:02
Scalded. Just like my dad was on his chest :(
interesting facts...
http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=414615&CPID=8&clid=1&lid=&title=Opta+Analysis:+Carrick+v +Keane
AgentZero
07-09-2006, 08:30
very interesting.
Jeremy_u2
07-09-2006, 11:24
Ferguson has attempted to replace him with Juan Sebastian Veron, Eric Djemba-Djemba and even Alan Smith but Keane has until now been irreplaceable. Is Michael Carrick, the £18 million signing from Tottenham Hotspur the right man to replace him?
God, no.
why not? if he can prove himself...then its ok then, right?
AgentZero
08-09-2006, 05:16
hes not a carbon copy replacement but....midfield will be solid again wit carrick
Guillermo
08-09-2006, 18:59
Ferguson & Giggs win August prize
Manchester United have scooped the awards for both manager and player of the month after the club's perfect start to the Premiership season.
Sir Alex Ferguson has been named the Barclays manager of the month for August and Ryan Giggs, 32, has won the player of the month prize.
During August, United beat Fulham, Charlton and Watford, scoring 10 goals in those three league matches.
Giggs, despite playing over 600 games, has never won the monthly award before.
"The awards are testimony to the fantastic manner in which United have opened the new campaign, playing an exciting brand of fast and attacking football," said Jim Hytner, from the Barclays Awards Panel.
"It's hard to believe Giggs has never received the accolade before, but he thoroughly deserves the award for the performances he's put in during August."
Good stuff Giggsy, never before won Player of the Month :shocking:
Dundon's
09-09-2006, 03:47
It's a good start of the season for you ladies I must admit, but the Gunners will catch you over the distance of the whole season with our Galactico style football. You'll see.. :happy:
*Walks out feeling smug*
AgentZero
09-09-2006, 06:34
sorry dundons you're wrong!
Guillermo
09-09-2006, 11:00
*Walks out feeling smug*
I'm hoping smug is a woman :ninja:
vanNistelrooy
09-09-2006, 14:59
I'm going for 3-0 today vs Spurs. Goals from Cahill and two from Johnson :D
The Stig
09-09-2006, 15:07
I'm going for a 0-0 draw. Spurs are a good side unlike Fulham Charlton and Watford.
vanNistelrooy
09-09-2006, 15:59
...Sheff Utd and Everton.
The Stig
09-09-2006, 17:55
Sheff utd are pratically yard dogs and we was piss poor on that day and today against Everton we was a fucking disgrace because of four words: RAFAEL BENITEZ'S TEAM SELECTION.
vanNistelrooy
09-09-2006, 19:15
What a crap performance. First 15-20 minutes we were decent, but thereafter was rubbsih.
So glad Scholes and Rooney are back now :)
ecureuil
09-09-2006, 19:21
What a crap performance. First 15-20 minutes we were decent, but thereafter was rubbsih.
So glad Scholes and Rooney are back now :)
Exactly. I'm just glad we got through them with maximum points.
Saha was shit today, he didn't even turn up, so it's good that Smith is returning soon too. Saha should have been replaced after about 60 minutes, but we didn't have anyone to replace him with.
vanNistelrooy
09-09-2006, 19:22
It's easy to say Saha played shit because of his chances at the end. I think his overall performance and effort was decent.
4 games 4 wins!! still on top!!
TheBishop
09-09-2006, 20:07
What a crap performance. First 15-20 minutes we were decent, but thereafter was rubbsih.
So glad Scholes and Rooney are back now :)
Oh great, back in time to face us :(
Viperized
09-09-2006, 20:08
At least we aren't playing at our stadium - it is probably cursed.
Phatmann
09-09-2006, 20:16
It's easy to say Saha played shit because of his chances at the end. I think his overall performance and effort was decent.
You were watching the wrong match :no:
I thought Evra had a very good game today, and Van Der Sar pulled off some important saves, O'Shea looked a bit lost most of the time, and Gary Neville was brilliant.
We were poor and we were lucky to win the match, if we play like this on wednesday I can see us losing the match
Guillermo
09-09-2006, 22:09
Against Celtic? :laugh:
We better not lose..
Phatmann
09-09-2006, 22:21
We'll have Scholes and Rooney back for the Celtic match won't we?
vanNistelrooy
09-09-2006, 22:36
Yeppo.
To open my review, I'll state I had the most annoying people behind me again this week. They seriously talked through the 90 minutes about anything from holidays, getting bladdered at the pub and also drugs (I'm sure). The pisshead behind me was being racist towards Chimbonda too, although he thankfully was spanked and left along with his seemingly drugged up hooch.
Saha, where to begin. Couldn't hit a barn door today, and when I say barn door I mean a whole barn. He was pretty much useless, the only decent thing he did all match was distribute the ball to the wing on occasions. However we didn't use the wings like we should've today dissapointingly. Many times we had Neville on the right in the open by about 15-20 yards yet he wasn't picked out. The Nevillers defending was quite up to par though, however he seemed to be getting the ball dinked over his head a lot.
Carrick done fairly well, putting in good effort and spreading the ball about too. Put his foot in which is obviously a great thing, but he seemed to lack a spark of some sort to make him stand out, still got time of course.
What on earth was Ronaldo doing in our box, he didn't half get some grief for trying a trick or two instead of just clearing it. He's lucky it worked out safely and didn't cost us but it did give me a laugh after realising we weren't punished. Did Richardson get booked for kicking Defoe on the wing after they broke away ? He nearly snapped him in two the poor little sod, hilarious though.
On a side note, there was a lad around the age of 15 trying to knick into the ground I think. I was sat down when all of a sudden I see him about 20 yards away sprinting from security and leaping over chairs. He got stopped eventually by the guards and started on a Chinese guard for catching him. :laugh:
ecureuil
10-09-2006, 00:37
It's easy to say Saha played shit because of his chances at the end. I think his overall performance and effort was decent.
No, it's nothing to do with his chances at the end, in fact, they were about the best thing he did all game. He never even turned up, he hardly looked involved, it was like he didn't even want to be playing today. There were times when I could swear he wasn't even on the pitch, he must have gone for long periods at a time without touching the ball. Maybe he was just lacking fitness after his internation matches recently.
Lord Shrimpeh
10-09-2006, 01:04
It might be cos he isn't under any pressure anymore. He doesn't play well, Fergie has got no one to replace him with.
Man Giggs is back! I knew when i gave him an award (see my sig) that he was back to decent standard (not his best obviously).
greenegg
10-09-2006, 01:56
SEB scored today United fans and it was a well taken gola. I will post the goal up soon for you to all enjoy. Heading is his weakness though and he missed three half decent header chances.
AgentZero
10-09-2006, 03:14
hmm bring on arsenal....and lay off saha!
Not at our best, but I guess not having Rooney and dare I say Scholes, and still managing the nine points their suspensions threatened, we should draw a curtain over the whole performance and look forward to a brighter future.
United and Ronaldo in particular started well, but once we scored it seemed like we no longer could be arsed with the battle, and Tottenham too offered little in terms of chances.
The traveling numpties occasionally managed to break their silence with the odd chant of 'Waaankers', but overall the whole thing was a fuckin' dull affair.
Wednesday should be interesting. Expecting an easy win, but we'll be cleaning the sick up from a bunch of pissed Celtic fans for days.
dimitrivdr
10-09-2006, 10:08
I read somewhere that Giggs just won his first player of the month award... :shocking: How did that happen???
Man U have had a decent start and I reckon they'll give Chelsea a run for their money if they can keep this up. The real test is Xmas though...
http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=415332&CPID=23&clid=174&lid=2&title=La+Liga+round-up
makes you wonder why fergie really wanted to sell him...
AgentZero
11-09-2006, 04:04
dont worry mate..he's 29...same thing happened when becks went there aswell....
they improved? hehe...well...not gonna duell on the past...best of luck to both of em...except when they face united of course...
bbjaylive
11-09-2006, 17:04
What on earth was Ronaldo doing in our box, he didn't half get some grief for trying a trick or two instead of just clearing it. He's lucky it worked out safely and didn't cost us but it did give me a laugh after realising we weren't punished. Did Richardson get booked for kicking Defoe on the wing after they broke away ? He nearly snapped him in two the poor little sod, hilarious though.
Man what you talking about that was composed defending by ronaldo:D. He's confident enough to do it anyways. Ferdinand played quite crap, a load of his passes went straight to the opposition. Ronaldo didn't get enough of the ball but used it well when he did get it. Richardson was woeful. I don't know why Ferguson played when Park is a better player. Neville was decent. Saha worked hard but had rank awful finishing. It was well funny when that guy went to tackle and just bounced off Saha as he was running.
United were lucky spurs were wank infront of goal.
dimitrivdr
11-09-2006, 17:34
Ronaldo did pretty well. Fact is that part of the fun of watching him is wondering what he'll try to pull off next. What's incredible is that more often than not he succeeds.
ecureuil
11-09-2006, 21:59
bbjaylive - I think Richardson started instead of Park because Park was in Korea for international duty until Thursday, and he was fatigued.
AgentZero
12-09-2006, 06:24
well looking ahed at celtic i'm confident of a good or even great performance. celtics backfour are young an inexperiance.. the matetr its taking out heir wide options., Makamura and Mcgeady and tehn theres the matetr of Venegoor of Hesslelink.
but my predicted line up looksliek:
Van Der Sar
Neville-Brown-Ferdiand-Evra/Richardson
Park-Carrick-Giggs
Ronaldo-Rooney
Saha
Man Utd 3-1Glasgow Celtic
Taken from Stretford End Flags:
As Fergie issues a rallying cry for supporters to get behind the team, the suits at MUFC are trying their upmost to ensure that supporters don't create a European Old Trafford atmosphere.
The Stretford End Flags group have advertised for fans to bring in their own flags and central to this was to be the appearance of the Big Lily super flag. That was before the suits decided it needed two weeks notice to appear. United officials have decided against allowing Big Lily into the stadium, despite giving assurances several weeks ago. United are insisting they don't have the manpower to unveil such a flag.
United have ignored the offer from several supporters to assist in the flags unveiling and return. Other clubs accross Europe and even in the premier league have no problems with similar flags. At last years FA Cup semi Final at Old Trafford, Liverpool supporters unveiled a similar flag and didn't meet the opposition from United suits.
At the Spurs game last Saturday, the Stretford End seen its latest banner on display "UNITED > ENGLAND", a banner that shows that United supporters put their club before country, yet following "ONE" complaint, United officials have removed the banner (Over 75,400 supporters in attendance and a TV audience of millions and only ONE complaint).
It's no wonder that the Old Trafford atmosphere is so poor, when club officails put pay to any fans involvement. We await the next announcement that chanting in the stadium will be banned.
AgentZero
12-09-2006, 11:06
shame really.
Heard about that and to be honest it's pathetic. Who complained ? A pisshead ?
I maybe going blind too however I didn't see the 30 Years banner on Saturday, have we taken that down through our own wishes ?
Heard about that and to be honest it's pathetic. Who complained ? A pisshead ?
I maybe going blind too however I didn't see the 30 Years banner on Saturday, have we taken that down through our own wishes ?
That hasn't been there for ages.
Disappeared once the Glazers took over (which of course I'm only mentioning to give a time frame, rather than try to link the two events together somehow). Apparently you can see it at the FCUM matches nowerdays, along with the occasional dinghy.
On a side note, it's eight wins out of eight for FCUM this season, they've only conceeded once as well, and that was a penalty.
greenegg
12-09-2006, 12:21
Here is Sylvans first goal for us, he would have had more if he could header. Thanks for letting us have him he is quality
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKikFkoyWSU
That hasn't been there for ages.
Disappeared once the Glazers took over (which of course I'm only mentioning to give a time frame, rather than try to link the two events together somehow). Apparently you can see it at the FCUM matches nowerdays, along with the occasional dinghy.
On a side note, it's eight wins out of eight for FCUM this season, they've only conceeded once as well, and that was a penalty.
I've never noticed until Saturday. :mellow:
Was on the FCUM website the other day, was flicking through and saw that a ST for my age is £21. I'm having thoughts now, worth it, Gigg Lane is a pretty decent stadium for a lower-league team too. Anywho, great start. Just out of curiousity, do you know how many divisions their is between 'NWCFL Div.1' and the Conference ?
I've never noticed until Saturday. :mellow:
Was on the FCUM website the other day, was flicking through and saw that a ST for my age is £21. I'm having thoughts now, worth it, Gigg Lane is a pretty decent stadium for a lower-league team too. Anywho, great start. Just out of curiousity, do you know how many divisions their is between 'NWCFL Div.1' and the Conference ?
About four I believe, although I wouldn't quote me on that.
A lot of my mates now support FCUM, which was hard to come to terms with. I've never been, and never would out of principle. Can't really go wrong with £21 mind.
ecureuil
12-09-2006, 17:02
FCUM would sell out if someone offered to give them £800 million.
FCUM would sell out if someone offered to give them £800 million.
:laugh:
Cannon ball
13-09-2006, 18:28
About four I believe, although I wouldn't quote me on that.
A lot of my mates now support FCUM, which was hard to come to terms with. I've never been, and never would out of principle. Can't really go wrong with £21 mind.
PEEDO PEEDO
:no: :no:
If people want to know what im talking about look at his "interests" in public profile.
Guillermo
13-09-2006, 19:44
Manchester United midfielder Park Ji-sung has been ruled out for three months with an ankle injury.
The South Korean international picked up the injury in Saturday's 1-0 win over Spurs after coming on as a substitute for Kieran Richardson.
A scan confirmed Park had suffered ankle ligament damage.
United boss Sir Alex Ferguson said: "He injured his ankle in the last minute of the game against Spurs. It's a bad luck for him and bad luck for us."
A three month absence would see Park miss all of United's Champions League group games as well as a dozen Premiership games.
:crymore:
Dr. Bob Kelso
13-09-2006, 20:29
"You're not singing anymore."
The Stig
13-09-2006, 20:41
Ferdinands defending for the first goal was diabolical the penalty you guys got was a disgrace and the 2nd goal was lucky to go in and for their second Saha didn't even jump for Nakamura's free kick.
HT: 2-2
Unacceptable
Partly.
We've dominated most of the half putting pressure on them and knocking it about fairly well. However it was that little slip up from Rio which gave them their first goal, shame but it's Rio. And well, Saha was being a fanny by not jumping. If he jumped it probably wouldn't have went in.
However we've played well all over the pitch bar Rio really, he's missed a couple of reletively simple headers. Silvestre was harshly booked but our penalty was soft as hell so no complaints at all. Overall we've done well and it's just been a bit lacking concentration from 1 or 2 players.
Ferdinands defending for the first goal was diabolical the penalty you guys got was a disgrace and the 2nd goal was lucky to go in and for their second Saha didn't even jump for Nakamura's free kick.
Are you blind ? Many strikers nutmeg the keeper and score, this one just happened to go slowly in. Wasn't really lucky.
half-time 2-2
and the injuries begin...park n giggs...
wooot! 3-2 now!
FT 3-2 :D
Never watched the 2nd half but I heard Giggs is injured and where was Ronaldo?
The Stig
13-09-2006, 21:41
FT 3-2 :D
Never watched the 2nd half but I heard Giggs is injured and where was Ronaldo?
Suspended I think.
FT 3-2 :D
Never watched the 2nd half but I heard Giggs is injured and where was Ronaldo?
Giggs seemingly got injured after the soft penalty decision from the ref, probably the way he fell. And Ronaldo was suspended after throwing up the middle finger to the Benfica fans, worth it though.
Dr. Bob Kelso
13-09-2006, 21:44
Always a tough game. I reckon they could do you at their gaff.
Always a tough game. I reckon they could do you at their gaff.
Probably
Fletcher had a good game surprisingly, one of our best I'd say. Knocked it about simple and his work rate was great, putting in a few tackles too.
Dr. Bob Kelso
13-09-2006, 21:50
Congratulations you cheating bastards, great way to ruin a game there you sheep shaggin bellend.
ecureuil
13-09-2006, 21:55
Yeah, it was a soft penalty, but how about when Saha was blocked in the first half when he was one on one? Should have been a freekick and a red card, but nothing. We hammered them tonight, we could have scored 8.
AgentZero
13-09-2006, 21:57
rooney and the two centrebacks were bollocks
Fletcher adn saha had a great game, and Ole looked lost for much of the 2nd half.
I hope tehy pick up their games ahead of the gunners clash. Park is out for months so what happened to ROnaldo?
Guillermo
13-09-2006, 22:02
Saha is crap. His control is diabolical, and is pathetic with one-on-ones. Don't let the two goals fool you into thinking he's good.
vanNistelrooy
13-09-2006, 22:02
Congratulations you cheating bastards, great way to ruin a game there you sheep shaggin bellend.
Atleast he waited for contact before he went down, unlike that honest piece of shit called Gerrard!
AgentZero
13-09-2006, 22:02
oO....from the benfica thing ?! oh well...I thoughtCarrick did well. Controlled movement nicely, compare to Gravesen he was superior in the 2nd half
vanNistelrooy
13-09-2006, 22:04
Carrick did wank.
Saha did wank.
Rooney did wank.
Ferdinand did wank.
Brown did wank.
van Der Sar did wank.
Papa Lazarou
13-09-2006, 22:06
Saha is crap. His control is diabolical, and is pathetic with one-on-ones. Don't let the two goals fool you into thinking he's good.
you sir, are talkin out yer 'arris!!!
Saha played brilliantly tonight as did Fletcher who had one of his best games, he's lookin alot more focused and stronger nowadays
As for Scholes, he played out of his skin and i love the central midfield pairing of Carrick an Scholes, great passers an movers
Guillermo
13-09-2006, 22:08
you sir, are talkin out yer 'arris!!!
Funniest thing I've read. Ever.
AgentZero
13-09-2006, 22:10
Carrick did wank.
Saha did wank.
Rooney did wank.
Ferdinand did wank.
Brown did wank.
van Der Sar did wank.
tbh your a little too harsh on saha, he was dangerous, most of the time. There was hardly any movement off the ball so Carick could do nothing, but besides that he did ok.
vanNistelrooy
13-09-2006, 22:14
The same Saha that was fortunate Solskjaer was there to clean up after he fucked up TWO chances to score?
AgentZero
13-09-2006, 22:19
the same saha that is our leading goal scorer, yes!
Phatmann
13-09-2006, 22:25
Carrick did wank.
Saha did wank.
Rooney did wank.
Ferdinand did wank.
Brown did wank.
van Der Sar did wank.
Pretty much agree with that. Solskjaer looked good today, and Scholes had a decent game. Can't really say anyone else was that good (other than artur boruc).
Neil Lennon :laugh:
Phatmann
13-09-2006, 22:27
the same saha that is our leading goal scorer, yes!
The same Saha who had about 10 chances on goal tonight (excluding the pen) and scored 1. Solskjaer on the other hand had 1 shot and scored 1 :) 100% conversion rate :)
Guillermo
13-09-2006, 22:28
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=saha+good +control :erm:
AgentZero
13-09-2006, 22:34
Solksjaer was lost after the goal. 100% conversion rate but thats it
ecureuil
14-09-2006, 00:07
Saha was excellent. He had two brilliant headers, one just wide, the other well saved. He had a volley in the first half which showed superb techniques and would have been one of the goals of the season. His control was generally good, he was lively, involved, and made some good breaks. On another day he would have cleaned up.
Rooney was poor, but I can excuse him for that since he's only just come back from a few weeks out. He looked possibly a bit unfit, but I reckon he'll pick up for the Arsenal game.
Scholes was decent, which was nice to see. Carrick seemed alright too, but he seemed to just go for the easy ball a lot.. I think maybe because he's still settling in, he just wanted to make sure he got his short passes right. It's like when a new striker joins a club, and they often look to pass for a teammate, it's only when they settle in that they become more greedy. Carrick seemed like that tonight, like he didn't want to make any adventurous passes. He had a pretty solid game though.
Oh, and I thought we really missed Ronaldo tonight. Just that ability to beat a man and create some space down the wing was missing, we could have done with him tonight. At least he'll be nice and fresh for the game on Sunday.
I agree with you ecureuil, by no means did Saha play diabolical. Solskjaer was worse but because he scored he's rarely mentioned in the donkey ratings. Saha had some great efforts that many other strikers would not have even reached so it's silly to point the finger at him and say he played crap. A lot of the efforts he made he created himself from difficult angles. His touch wasn't that bad either, just seems to be a tradition to criticise his touch. He kept the ball quite well despite pushing forward a lot, I thought that's what most United fans wanted though, a striker who races forward and puts defenders on the back foot as opposed to one who turns around and holds play up ?
Any OneUnited members who want to apply for the Arsenal game should do so very soon. I seem to remember Hunter being a member, so get on it.
http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid=%7B23A882F 1%2D4E52%2D4C1A%2D816E%2DFB505 E82E076%7D&newsid=354220
Arsenal have returned some of their allocation. I've just got 3 for a mate.
vanNistelrooy
14-09-2006, 19:00
I won't be able to make it, although I am a One United member.
Any OneUnited members who want to apply for the Arsenal game should do so very soon. I seem to remember Hunter being a member, so get on it.
http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid=%7B23A882F 1%2D4E52%2D4C1A%2D816E%2DFB505 E82E076%7D&newsid=354220
Arsenal have returned some of their allocation. I've just got 3 for a mate.
Appreciated but the bastards have sold out it seems. Just phoned and the voice stated the only tickets on sale now were for the Liverpool home game. Gutted. :no:
Thanks for the heads up anyway though man, really is appreciated.
No worries.
It would be interesting to hear the Arsenal excuse for sending back some of their allocation - mind you, they do have two games in one week you know.
The Nike tick in the stadium being removed ? Any theories ?
Any chance of Nike removing sponsorship deal (fingers crossed) or just going to see a replacement of seats. Unsure.
Stella Artois
14-09-2006, 22:14
No worries.
It would be interesting to hear the Arsenal excuse for sending back some of their allocation - mind you, they do have two games in one week you know.
Was the last bit a cheap dig?
Either way, I don't know what the reason is, it'd be interesting to find out. Providing they sort out the red membership, I'll definitely be going.
ecureuil
15-09-2006, 03:25
The Nike tick in the stadium being removed ? Any theories ?
Any chance of Nike removing sponsorship deal (fingers crossed) or just going to see a replacement of seats. Unsure.
I'd guess they were removing the deal. They signed a 13 year contract a few years ago, but a stipulation in the contract said that in 2006 they had the choice whether to remain with Man Utd or pull out if United weren't among the worlds elite. Since it's 2006, it looks like they've made a decision. I'll be gutted if it's true..
back to Umbro?! sure!!!
As long as that means they will re-create that lovely Green/Gold away shirt then I'm all for it. But other than that, not bothered really.
i prefer the 97 n 99 (both) home kits...
AgentZero
15-09-2006, 09:15
id love to see an english suplier again, admiral????
Was the last bit a cheap dig?
Either way, I don't know what the reason is, it'd be interesting to find out. Providing they sort out the red membership, I'll definitely be going.
That's exactly the excuse a lot of Arsenal fans will give.
Not so much as a dig, it's just the way that football's going. The bubbles about to burst.
By the way, my prediction of wednesday being the end of a 'brotherly' relationship between Celtic and United was proven correct, and although very hostile, it was a fuckin' brilliant night.
I don't think any United fans in south stand had the nerve to tell the Celtic fans to behave, nevertheless, there were what seemed like random chinnings going on by United along Stretford Road. Not cool.
A lot of Celtic fans got in trouble for acting like twats in a lot of the boozers too.
ecureuil
16-09-2006, 18:38
As long as that means they will re-create that lovely Green/Gold away shirt then I'm all for it. But other than that, not bothered really.
Well we wore that Newton Heath shirt for the first 50 years of last century, when we had it in the (92/93?) season as a tribute to our origins. I doubt it'll come back any time soon..
AgentZero
17-09-2006, 09:16
does anyone like this new away kit? and which one was your favourite away jersey from adidas, Umbro and Nike respectively?
EDIT:
my favourite away kits are
Adidas: any blue away kit
Umbro: The white with blue sides away kit
Nike: the white 3rd with the two tone stripes
does anyone like this new away kit? and which one was your favourite away jersey from adidas, Umbro and Nike respectively?
EDIT:
Adidas: any blue away kit
Umbro: The white with blue sides away kit
Nike: the white 3rd with the two tone stripes
I like the new away kit. It looks good. From the choices given my favourite away kit would have to be the Umbro white with blue sides kit. Really liked that one. Regarding on who should sponsor us ( If Nike deal closes ), I would love it to be Puma or Umbro. The puma kit's in the world cup were brilliant, and the Czech Republic shirt was the best one at the World Cup. If we did get Puma to sponsor us, and we had them kits ( Used at WC ), this would IMO, encourage Man Utd fan's like myself to buy the kit, making more and more money for the club.
AgentZero
17-09-2006, 10:52
true that the puma kits are good but they are no where as lucrative as nike.
How about we start a business and make our own ?
Boro have done that and it's been quite successful, not bothered what sponsor we get to be honest the shirt will probably look wank anyway. I just want a nice Green/Gold away kit, hell, just bring back the one from 92 and use that, 'twas immense.
vanNistelrooy
17-09-2006, 11:06
Any news on Henry and van Persie? Are they fit for today?
Thierry Henry has only a 10 to 15 per cent chance to play at Manchester United on Sunday, according to Arsène Wenger.
The Arsenal striker injured his foot on the eve of the Champions League tie at Hamburg in midweek and his recovery has taken longer than expected
"It doesn't look good for Sunday,” admitted Wenger on Friday afternoon. "It is still the foot. He has not recovered from it. On Sunday there is just a little chance he will play - 10 or 15 per cent.”
Henry is not the only worry up front.
“Robin van Persie is injured as well,” Wenger went on. “He injured his hip when he blocked his leg in German grass. He is having a scan."
When asked for his remaining options up front the manager replied: “Adebayor, Baptista and Walcott.”
Kolo Toure has recovered from the hip injury that forced him off at Hamburg and is fit for the game at Old Trafford.
By the sounds of it Henry is out and probably RVP too, if this is so I believe we could run riot here given the chance. My prediction providing Henry and RVP are out is either 2-0 or possibly 3-0 although that last score is more out of optimism.
vanNistelrooy
17-09-2006, 11:26
I just read that article on the Arsenal website, although I most likely won't believe anything till I see the teamsheet. If I was manager I'd want my manager to think my star player was out so the opposing manager would plan his tactics to cater for me missing my star man.
2-1 United.
vanNistelrooy
17-09-2006, 15:29
Kuszcack
Neville
Rio
Brown
Alien Head
Feltcher
O'Shea
Scholes
Ronaldo
Haha
Rooney
2 (Saha and Rooney)
1 (Rosicky)
Phatmann
17-09-2006, 15:30
Anyone know what's happened to Van Der Sar? and how long he'll be out for? :mellow:
vanNistelrooy
17-09-2006, 15:31
Well I knew he was a doubt for the Celtic game.
Viperized
17-09-2006, 15:31
O'Shea in central midfield? I think Man Utd will play a phyiscal game.
I think we'll lose today, unless Ljungberg and Adebayor have got their scoring boots on.
ecureuil
17-09-2006, 18:06
What a shocker that was. Arsenal completely deserved that victory, we were terrible.
Darren Fletcher is utter shit, he should not be playing for Man Utd.
Phatmann
17-09-2006, 18:20
What a shocker that was. Arsenal completely deserved that victory, we were terrible.
Darren Fletcher is utter shit, he should not be playing for Man Utd.
There were worse players on the pitch than Fletcher today.
There were worse players on the pitch than Fletcher today.
Definetely, Fletch maybe crock but he was throwing himself about and putting a foot in. Sheasy however was just shit, full stop. Our whole defence didn't look confident, bar maybe the Neviller, possibly Evra when he came on.
Phatmann
17-09-2006, 18:26
Definetely, Fletch maybe crock but he was throwing himself about and putting a foot in. Sheasy however was just shit, full stop. Our whole defence didn't look confident, bar maybe the Neviller, possibly Evra when he came on.
Why was Silvestre taken off? :mellow: Just cos he was shit, or was it an injury?
Why was Silvestre taken off? :mellow: Just cos he was shit, or was it an injury?
Both I assume. Evra was fairly good when he came on, threatened however he probably just stood out since our team played quite shit overall.
ecureuil
17-09-2006, 18:36
There were worse players on the pitch than Fletcher today.
Yeah, you're right. O'Shea was the worst, along with Rooney. But Fletcher ..meh, I've always hated him. It's not like he has a bad game, he's just got no quality. Rooney hasn't come back from his suspension well, he'll pick up, but Fletcher is just crap and he'll never get good enough for United. O'Shea was our midfield cover last season, he also isn't good enough.. we shouldn't be playing him, but it's because Fergie didn't buy anyone. Just as I said a few weeks ago, the team is fine until we pick up injuries, and now Giggs and Park are injured, we look like a poor side.
Ronaldo will pick up extra stick for his part in the conceeded goal, but he didn't play that badly today. I thought he was one of the better players. The only bright and shining light from this game, was Ole came on and looked like he's going to be getting us goals this season. Prem save of the season so far denied him from equalising for us.
Was Kuzczak the keeper for today's game?
United were well and truly owned by Arsenal today. Outplayed from start to finish in your own back yard, oh dear.
Phatmann
17-09-2006, 18:38
Was Kuzczak the keeper for today's game?
Yes, he saved a pen, but was responsible for giving it away in the first place.
The Stig
17-09-2006, 18:41
100% start is now gone because you've finally played quality opossition.
vanNistelrooy
17-09-2006, 18:59
100% start is now gone because you've finally played quality opossition.
Like Sheffield United?
From what I saw we didn't deserve the win, and weren't going to get it. So we lost a point we looked to be getting, unfortunately it gave one of our rivals two more, but atleast we didn't drop points in a game we really should be winning (Watford, Sheff Utd etc etc).
The Stig
17-09-2006, 19:02
Like Sheffield United?
From what I saw we didn't deserve the win, and weren't going to get it. So we lost a point we looked to be getting, unfortunately it gave one of our rivals two more, but atleast we didn't drop points in a game we really should be winning (Watford, Sheff Utd etc etc).
If you watched 90 minutes of every game Pool have played you would have realised we have outplayed each team. Even everton 21 attempts to 4 hit the post twice and should of had a penalty against them explains it all. This season has been EXTREMELY unlucky for us we hit the post twice against everton, Last minute against PSV, And the cockneys crossbar today. If you take your chances you win games but were just not taking them simple as I would be worried if we wasn't creating them though but we are no problem.
vanNistelrooy
17-09-2006, 19:04
Arsenal too have been playing quality but not scoring so they were bound to beat someone, it just happened to be us on a poor day.
Your problem is your manager doesn't know who is best two strikers are at the moment. I'll tell you who isn't one, Fowler.
Papa Lazarou
17-09-2006, 19:18
personally i didn't think we played too awfully today and we were denied by some great saves from Lehmann but rooney looked really out of sorts and we missed giggs loads
i think Evra was a positive to come out of that game, he's finally looking like a united player and seemed to have gotten stronger
Dr. Bob Kelso
17-09-2006, 19:20
Arsenal too have been playing quality but not scoring so they were bound to beat someone, it just happened to be us on a poor day.
Your problem is your manager doesn't know who is best two strikers are at the moment. I'll tell you who isn't one, Fowler.
No and nor is Solksjaer one of yours but your manager is smart enough to realise that. Both Fowler and Solksjaer are or at least should be used as "super subs".
vanNistelrooy
17-09-2006, 19:23
No and nor is Solksjaer one of yours but your manager is smart enough to realise that. Both Fowler and Solksjaer are or at least should be used as "super subs".
True, but Fowler keeps being mentioned in the conversation of which two strikers should be your starting two.
The Stig
17-09-2006, 19:32
Arsenal too have been playing quality but not scoring so they were bound to beat someone, it just happened to be us on a poor day.
Your problem is your manager doesn't know who is best two strikers are at the moment. I'll tell you who isn't one, Fowler.
He must be pretty thick to not see or realise it's Bellamy and Kuyt.
He must be pretty thick to not see or realise it's Bellamy and Kuyt.
How many times are you gonna slate Benitez? BTW Benitez made a mistake not picking Crouch
Anyways we were shit and to be honest I dont think one player stood out for us except Kusack (cant spell his name)
The Stig
17-09-2006, 21:00
If you handed a piece of paper with the names:
Dirk Kuyt
Craig Bellamy
Peter Crouch
Robbie Fowler
and asked the person to pick 2 who do you think they would pick.
Papa Lazarou
17-09-2006, 21:10
i'd pick Kuyt and...Kill the rest...they are wank
The Stig
17-09-2006, 21:22
i'd pick Kuyt and...Kill the rest...they are wank
Bellamy isn't that bad bit of a cunt but not bad player btw dude are you really 64 I remember seeing a video of you and your mates you posted on the youtube thread and you didn't look 64... :erm:
Papa Lazarou
17-09-2006, 22:16
Bellamy isn't that bad bit of a cunt but not bad player btw dude are you really 64 I remember seeing a video of you and your mates you posted on the youtube thread and you didn't look 64... :erm:
i've had alot of botox...that place where the vids are from is an old folks home...im incontinent too
If you handed a piece of paper with the names:
Dirk Kuyt
Craig Bellamy
Peter Crouch
Robbie Fowler
and asked the person to pick 2 who do you think they would pick.
Oh so you would pick Dirk Kuyt and Bellamy against Terry and Calvalho? There are some matches where Crouch is needed and against Chelsea he is definatly needed because he can cause Terry and Calvalho problems like he done in the charity shield especially when he came on today, he instantly had some chances to score.
Anyways I head Bellamy was SHIT so who cares
Not good enough today was it lads?
Yes the boys look tired, but they didnt look sharp in front of goal. O shite needs a slap and put on the bench and carrick should of started. Kusack did alright, looks like a good shot stopper. Brown looks like his old self, making a few mistakes.
AgentZero
17-09-2006, 22:45
Gutted....its still early days but arsenal haven't beaten us (besides stupid FA penalties) in 4 years
Adebayor fucked up our defence man, caused Rio and Wes problems
wrigh2uk
17-09-2006, 22:55
^^ Which you should be ashamed of lol
i was saying to my mates who support arsenal that he probably couldnt score in a brothel.
Damn you Brown
^^ Which you should be ashamed of lol
:laugh:
Gonna get a lot of stick tomorrow :realmad:
gutted by the loss...deserved though...hopefully its a wake-up call to the lads...
AgentZero
18-09-2006, 07:39
the game against cletic was a early signs of a backline that isn't too watertight, far too clumsy and too many errors cost us today
ecureuil
18-09-2006, 13:42
the game against cletic was a early signs of a backline that isn't too watertight, far too clumsy and too many errors cost us today
I'd say the Spurs game showed that, too. Defoe and Mido got in behind our centre halves on a couple of occassions, and should have punished us. We had this defeat coming.
bbjaylive
18-09-2006, 15:06
Rooney as usual didn't turn up for the big game. On MOTD, the only time i saw him was when he was celebrating with the keeper when he saved. The centre backs were crap (I hope vidic comes in soon so that one of those two can be dropped). Saha was all right, but O'shea shouldn't be playing for United.
The Stig
18-09-2006, 15:13
Rooney as usual didn't turn up for the big game. On MOTD, the only time i saw him was when he was celebrating with the keeper when he saved. The centre backs were crap (I hope vidic comes in soon so that one of those two can be dropped). Saha was all right, but O'shea shouldn't be playing for United.
Darren Fletcher shouldn't aswell.
Viperized
18-09-2006, 16:05
Darren Fletcher is a talented, talented player. :P
Papa Lazarou
18-09-2006, 20:52
oi! lay off fletcher! he's improved so much recently...i do agree though, I'd like to see Vidic play in our defence with Ferdinand and also when is Heinze gonna come back to his starting spot???
Maybe could do with gettin Smith some games as well
oi! lay off fletcher! he's improved so much recently...i do agree though, I'd like to see Vidic play in our defence with Ferdinand and also when is Heinze gonna come back to his starting spot???
Maybe could do with gettin Smith some games as well
If a CB should be dropped it should be Rio. Brown has been immense for us the last 1-2 years, just because he has1 bad game doesn't justify his replacement to be honest. Rio is a good CB as well, but I'm afraid he isn't superb, often shaky and makes me worry at times, I'm sure this is the case with others too.
Evra has come on leaps and bounds however, could quite easily play Brown and Heinze in the centre and continue to play Evra on the left if need's be.
Evra still needs to improve, he is vulnerable in the air and he needs to stay on his feet, too many slide tackles yesterday
Dr. Bob Kelso
18-09-2006, 22:55
Though I hate to say it I really do think Wes Brown is underrated.
The Stig
18-09-2006, 23:31
Though I hate to say it I really do think Wes Brown is underrated.
He's a very dirty player though and not many people like him, Thats the reason he is underrated.
ecureuil
19-09-2006, 01:34
Fletcher is wank. He's improved, but he's still shit. Would he get in Chelsea's side? No. Arsenal? No. Liverpool? No. He's not good enough for them, he's not good enough for us. O'Shea as well. They're run of the mill players, they should be playing at clubs like Fulham or Wigan, and are very lucky to be at United.
As for Evra, I was impressed with him yesterday. When he first came in I thought he was quite poor, but he's really improved this season. I thought he had a solid game yesterday. His height could be a problem, though, especially against long ball teams like Bolton.
Lord Shrimpeh
19-09-2006, 01:53
I actually think Fletcher is a decent squad player... he plays well for Scotland and has occasionally done quite good for Man U. But he should never be a starter.
O'shite is shite. I think he was only included cos he scored against Arsenal last season (or was it before, anyway). Fergie should hopefully get Hargreaves in Jan (his broken leg should have healed and he might be easier to get because of it) and then ditch O'shite.
kallem28
19-09-2006, 02:37
Rooney as usual didn't turn up for the big game. On MOTD, the only time i saw him was when he was celebrating with the keeper when he saved. The centre backs were crap (I hope vidic comes in soon so that one of those two can be dropped). Saha was all right, but O'shea shouldn't be playing for United.
Just like the good ol' Keano said the other day: Rooney is NOT one of the superstars in the game... yet. He's still to win anything with ManU or England. And also he really should start performing in the big matches, against the big teams and big names. Rooney is a good player obviously but most of the time he just acts like a bully who's riding on his rep. Maybe he's just another guy who is being over rated just because he is English. I guess England is the most desperate nation to hail its talented players, usually going overboard with the praise (Kieron Dyer is a good example, aswell as Nick Barmby and of course Jermaine "thick in the head" Pennant).
AgentZero
19-09-2006, 07:37
don't be too quick to comment after just one game
Just like the good ol' Keano said the other day: Rooney is NOT one of the superstars in the game... yet. He's still to win anything with ManU or England. And also he really should start performing in the big matches, against the big teams and big names. Rooney is a good player obviously but most of the time he just acts like a bully who's riding on his rep. Maybe he's just another guy who is being over rated just because he is English. I guess England is the most desperate nation to hail its talented players, usually going overboard with the praise (Kieron Dyer is a good example, aswell as Nick Barmby and of course Jermaine "thick in the head" Pennant).
Hasn't won anything at United? So the league cup isn't a trophy is it you mong?
And does he fuck bottle big games. He absoloutley tore Arsenal apart last season at OT (although Arsenal isn't exactly a big game), won us the game against Liverpool at Anfield and was superb against City when we beat them two nil, and that's just off the top of my head.
And I couldn't give a fuck about Ingerlund, but I also hear that he was decent for them at the European championships.
This season Rooney's played three games, and scored two goals. He's had a joke of a suspension interrupt a brilliant first game and people have got the nerve to say he bottles big games because of a terrible team performance against Arsenal.
Stella Artois
19-09-2006, 09:55
Hasn't won anything at United? So the league cup isn't a trophy is it you mong?
And does he fuck bottle big games. He absoloutley tore Arsenal apart last season at OT (although Arsenal isn't exactly a big game), won us the game against Liverpool at Anfield and was superb against City when we beat them two nil, and that's just off the top of my head.
And I couldn't give a fuck about Ingerlund, but I also hear that he was decent for them at the European championships.
This season Rooney's played three games, and scored two goals. He's had a joke of a suspension interrupt a brilliant first game and people have got the nerve to say he bottles big games because of a terrible team performance against Arsenal.
3 goals in 15 games against the big three speaks for itself.
Edit:
Yesterday I was sat (courtesy of a United contact with season tickets) at pitch level three rows from the front directly, on the edge of the 18-yard box where Jens kept the ball in the first half. The abuse the poor lad got throughout the game was horrible and sickening. I know we all take this piss, but it started at a level of ‘fucking cheating Nazi cunt’ and when he was recovering from the ball in the face they were accusing him of gassing Jews and shagging the corpses. Throw his water bottle into the crowd? He should have pissed on them. The intensity of the pure naked hate was frightening.
Nice to see the United supporters are mature individuals.
The Stig
19-09-2006, 09:59
Not scored in the Champions League since that hat-trick either.
3 goals in 15 games against the big three speaks for itself.
Since when does not scoring mean playing badly?
Nice to see the United supporters are mature individuals.
I'm more pissed off at the fact that two United 'fans' have complained to the police that they were hit by a plastic bottle kicked by him. For fuck sake "fans" like that make us look even worse. Laugh it off, no one was hurt for fucks sake.
It was funny to hear the Arsenal fans singing 'your support is fuckin' shit'.
Stella Artois
19-09-2006, 11:09
Why is that?
You don't suffer from having a massivally huge multi-cultural city and I imagine 95% of the crowd that watched United are of white ethnicity. We have people from all over the world at our games, and as a result, the atmosphere at home is shite - just like Uniteds.
As for Rooney, it doesn't mean he's playing badly, just not producing the goods.
Why is that?
You don't suffer from having a massivally huge multi-cultural city and I imagine 95% of the crowd that watched United are of white ethnicity. We have people from all over the world at our games, and as a result, the atmosphere at home is shite - just like Uniteds..
Are you serious?
ecureuil
19-09-2006, 12:08
Hasn't won anything at United? So the league cup isn't a trophy is it you mong?
And does he fuck bottle big games. He absoloutley tore Arsenal apart last season at OT (although Arsenal isn't exactly a big game), won us the game against Liverpool at Anfield and was superb against City when we beat them two nil, and that's just off the top of my head.
And I couldn't give a fuck about Ingerlund, but I also hear that he was decent for them at the European championships.
This season Rooney's played three games, and scored two goals. He's had a joke of a suspension interrupt a brilliant first game and people have got the nerve to say he bottles big games because of a terrible team performance against Arsenal.
You are absolutely right. Also worth mentioning the FA Cup Final against Arsenal. Him and Ronaldo ran riot. Rooney was Man of the Match in the that cup final, it's hardly "bottling the big games."
AgentZero
19-09-2006, 12:16
Why is that?
You don't suffer from having a massivally huge multi-cultural city and I imagine 95% of the crowd that watched United are of white ethnicity. We have people from all over the world at our games, and as a result, the atmosphere at home is shite - just like Uniteds.
As for Rooney, it doesn't mean he's playing badly, just not producing the goods.
funny enough, arsenal is one of the more supported teams in the middle east, is it because they hate jews too?
Stella Artois
19-09-2006, 13:32
Are you serious?
Absolutely. You say you've been to Arsenal before (though I don't believe a word you say on these boards) so you'd have noticed it too.
If you've ever been to Tottenham, West Ham or Chelsea, then been to Arsenal, you'll notice the huge divide in race and religions at the ground.
I know that'll sound like the worst excuse ever, but the amount of times I've been to Highbury and been around people who can hardly utter a word of English is incredible.
vanNistelrooy
19-09-2006, 19:19
I know that'll sound like the worst excuse ever, but the amount of times I've been to Highbury and been around people who can hardly utter a word of English is incredible.
Ashley Cole used a similar excuse for leaving for Chelsea :lol:
Why is that?
You don't suffer from having a massivally huge multi-cultural city and I imagine 95% of the crowd that watched United are of white ethnicity. We have people from all over the world at our games, and as a result, the atmosphere at home is shite - just like Uniteds.
As for Rooney, it doesn't mean he's playing badly, just not producing the goods.To be fair the atmosphere at alot of home grounds now is terrible, but i can say that Man Yoo do carry with them some of the best away support in the country.
Guys stop slaughtering our defence ffs. Our midfield let us down, not our defence. a less competent defence would've let in far more than one. Our midfield was guilty of giving the ball away in manners I'd expect to see in a sunday league match. Ronaldo's prime example for the goal, O'Shea was very lucky to escape when he cleverly put baptista through, and Carrick gave the ball away badly too as far as I can remember from the top of my head.
truth is wenger played five across midfield and it worked, they were better than us where it mattered. before you slate Fletcher too much do try to bear in mind he provided the ammunition for our two best chances in the game (C. Ronaldo's volley at nobhead and Saha's headed effort).
i don't like everyone's attitude (especially the papers) that we were outplayed because frankly that is bullshit. We created enough chances and on a different day we would've won. But in the end we weren't sharp enough and made too many amateur mistakes in midfield IMO.
3 goals in 15 games against the big three speaks for itse
Utter wank 'statistic' to try and prove a wank point. They are the 'big three' for a reason, i wouldn't expect any striker to be that prolific in tight games such as those, when often they are settled by the odd goal. Get me up the statistics of the other strikers and then we'll see. And just because he hasn't scored many doesn't mean he hasn't played well. Arsenal last season he won the penalty and scored the second with a well taken goal if I remember rightly.
ecureuil
19-09-2006, 19:29
To be fair the atmosphere at alot of home grounds now is terrible, but i can say that Man Yoo do carry with them some of the best away support in the country.
There's plenty of good, hardcore fans, it's just that with 75,000 people in Old Trafford, the majority of them won't be in that category.
There's plenty of good, hardcore fans, it's just that with 75,000 people in Old Trafford, the majority of them won't be in that category.Precisely, that's why i said the away fans are fantastic.
vanNistelrooy
20-09-2006, 07:52
Arsenal last season he won the penalty and scored the second with a well taken goal if I remember rightly.
It was the season before last.
Looks like you remembered wrongly :tongue:
Absolutely. You say you've been to Arsenal before (though I don't believe a word you say on these boards) so you'd have noticed it too.
If you've ever been to Tottenham, West Ham or Chelsea, then been to Arsenal, you'll notice the huge divide in race and religions at the ground.
I know that'll sound like the worst excuse ever, but the amount of times I've been to Highbury and been around people who can hardly utter a word of English is incredible.
1) Manchester is one of the most culturally diverse cities in England.
2) We have more foreign fans coming to Old Trafford for their 'big soccer experience' than any other team in England.
3) Having a culturally diverse fanbase has absoloutley nothing to do with the noise in a stadium, aside from non-English speaking people.
4) There's nowhere near 95% white people watching United games.
5) Rooney's job isn't specifically to score goals. He brings far more to the team than goals, if you look at his goalscoring record whilst brilliant for somebody so young, it's hardly prolific.
The reason Old Trafford's atmosphere is so bad now is because of the culture of the club. Success contributes to it hugely by making the United 'brand' hugely profitable, so instead of being a club owned and attended by working class fans like it used to, there's now an effort made to create a 'friendly' family atmosphere. Which means so singing, no standing up, and no swearing.
AgentZero
20-09-2006, 09:57
yeah i agree, United become so profitable that most of the seats have unfortunately gone to those that can afford it and they are not necessarily the type of fans that create a legendary atmosphere.
Stella Artois
20-09-2006, 11:21
1) Manchester is one of the most culturally diverse cities in England.
2) We have more foreign fans coming to Old Trafford for their 'big soccer experience' than any other team in England.
3) Having a culturally diverse fanbase has absoloutley nothing to do with the noise in a stadium, aside from non-English speaking people.
4) There's nowhere near 95% white people watching United games.
5) Rooney's job isn't specifically to score goals. He brings far more to the team than goals, if you look at his goalscoring record whilst brilliant for somebody so young, it's hardly prolific.
The reason Old Trafford's atmosphere is so bad now is because of the culture of the club. Success contributes to it hugely by making the United 'brand' hugely profitable, so instead of being a club owned and attended by working class fans like it used to, there's now an effort made to create a 'friendly' family atmosphere. Which means so singing, no standing up, and no swearing.
1) But not as culturally diverse as London.
2) I doubt that.
3) Of course it fucking does.
yeah i agree, United become so profitable that most of the seats have unfortunately gone to those that can afford it and they are not necessarily the type of fans that create a legendary atmosphere.
Do me a fucking favour, Uniteds tickets are as cheap as chips compared to ours. I believe your top price is £39, whereas our tickets start at £35.
4) Still far more than at Arsenal games.
5) His scoring record is average.
I know the reason why the atmosphere - aside from the fact we have a lot of foreigners at games - is so bad, but I don't see a need to justify it.
Lord Shrimpeh
20-09-2006, 16:23
Why the fuck should foreigners attending games mean