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yea-rooney should steal the show tommorow although ruuds playin well-rooney and ruud up front? :)
princesx5
28-09-2004, 02:17
Does anyone else think that manchester united have a real chance of winning the champions lge this year?????
If we can keep everyone fit, I think we'll have a realistic chance of going all the way
They have but first they have to shore up their leaky defence, which they might have already done more or less with the long-awaited return from suspension of Rio Ferdinand.
If Ferdinand can command the back four well, Heinze keep up his form, Silvestre also, then they might well go a long way with a dependable back line.
There's no question in their attack being good, with 4 international world class strikers, as well as quality midfielders and wingers all over the field, might be one good year for Ferguson, this one.
7RONALDO7
28-09-2004, 17:15
I was listening to Radio 5 yesterday and they said that United are going to do something for the first team ever, this is putting a sponser on the shorts!!
The sponser is Audi!!!!! How cool is that!!!!!!!!!
This however is only a rumour so dont get to excited!!!
Lost seraphim
28-09-2004, 18:14
lol, how excited can you get about Audi being on their shorts? ;)
scottthrust
28-09-2004, 18:30
deco at barca now. Porto less of a force but still experienced. As long as the defence isnt sloppy should be ok. Heres to Cloughie
7RONALDO7
28-09-2004, 19:34
lol, how excited can you get about Audi being on their shorts? ;)
Sarcasium!!
Ever heard of it??
uA - 1905
28-09-2004, 19:42
Sarcasium!!
Ever heard of it??
no but i've heard of sarcasm
ROONEY ROONEY ROONEY
debut goal against fernabache :D
7RONALDO7
28-09-2004, 22:18
GOALS!! DONT YOUMEAN?
ROONEY!!!!!!!!!!
great player!!!!
anyone starting to think 30 mil is a bit of a bargain now
The_Fitz
28-09-2004, 22:47
The_Fitz
28-09-2004, 22:48
lol, 27 million actually, hes amazing, but lets not get carreid way,a hatrick against a very average side
Lord Shrimpeh
28-09-2004, 23:02
Ignoring Rooney for a second (hard though that is) Man Utd were brilliant attacking all round, Ruud and Giggs got great goals. The defending set pieces was kinda shocking but I think that was down to Djemba, Kleberson and Bellion. Kleberson and Bellion did well attacking but I didn't think Djemba had a good game. Still, with Keane and Scholes back that won't matter. Apart from that brilliant attacking performance, Fenerbahce aren't a bad team at all either.
hat trick at debut man !!!! fuckin worth the 27 million dollars !!
skullverine
29-09-2004, 09:20
there's no player i've seen to score a hat-trick on his debut... if he scores again this Sunday, i guess he does worth 27 million dollars!
great to see Rooney can take FKs!
markanddawn
29-09-2004, 09:24
£27 million is a bargain for a player of his age and tallent! im a liverpool fan but i take my hat off to the lad, at the end of the day he's english and any englishman last night watching would be mad if they watched that game and werent happy with that performance. man-u player or not, come on the ROONEY!!!
What a debut! I just could not believe how awesome United were going forward (or how sloppy we were at the back) This was the type of firepower we had been waiting to see from our new #8. I was mildly suprised when they announced the team on MUTV yesterday (OK, Pi$$ed that Ronaldo was rested!!) Once the match got underway though I thought it was a great performance - especially the first half. Rooney was out of this world, and he seemed to fire United and give them the combative qualities that usually is Keano's department. Kleberson looks finally somewhere near the Brazillian world cup winner he is. I think he'd be better suited sitting back in front of the defence (as he did with Brazil) enabling Giggs and Ronaldo to get forward - without leaving the back line exposed. And that is really where the problem is - Heinze is excellent on the left (and the back four are pretty strong now) but the cover from midfield was practically non existant. This was the factor of Djemba Djemba, who was largely missing last night.
Perhaps Keano would have made the difference last night, he seems to be in a role that requires less running from box to box now (and is very effective with it too)
Personally, I can't wait till Sunday V Boro, hopefully Ronaldo will be back - I am salivating at the possibilities that he, Giggsy and Rooney will create! (And Ruud of course :D )
I also saw that the Oracle (Arse Wenger) had to have his little snipe again this morning - Reyes over Rooney? :D no stop, please!
Mike.
Lost seraphim
29-09-2004, 21:52
well, I think Ronaldo needed a rest, I think Bellion is really coming along now, much more useful on the right, probably because of the announcement that United had to sell before they could buy next summer, Bellion's probably first on the list to go :D
7RONALDO7
29-09-2004, 22:40
I think that DjDj should go, I hate him!!
I saw Bellion in the Trafford Centre and on the way home I saw DjDj in his Lincon Navagater!!!!
aresnal must be scared now, cant wait for the 24th October,
Wayne Rooney is gonna get another hat trick espically with it being his 19th birthday
7RONALDO7
29-09-2004, 22:49
We have bought his younger brother aswell!!!!
In a few years time, Rooney and Rooney up front!!!!
We have bought his younger brother aswell!!!!
In a few years time, Rooney and Rooney up front!!!!
i thought his younger bro was a midfeilder
7RONALDO7
29-09-2004, 23:08
Not sure, all I know is that we have bought him!
Not sure, all I know is that we have bought him!
United got him for free, they persuaded him to join up with the Academy (Obviously his Brother's move helped too)
Going back to Tuesday, I was pleased to see Bellion score again. His pace is frightening and he is learning the game well - remember even the great Thierry Henry took time to realise his potential. I think Bellion will get better and better in the future.
Mind you, young Guiseppe Rossi is doing very well in the reserves too, he looks quite a player!
Mike.
HAHAHAHAHAHA man u suck The Toon rule
Souness is the man
7RONALDO7
30-09-2004, 21:02
Yeh right, if so why you come onto this thread?!?!?!?!?
Lost seraphim
30-09-2004, 21:03
well, Wayne's brother will always be in the shadow of Wayne unless he's just as great (the Phil Neville of Gary)
Well believe it or not, but the people training him believe he's more advanced at his age than Wayne was. However as we all know, everyone hails their youngsters as the "new - insert name"
I can't wait till Sunday, I hope Sir Alex plays Rooney and Ronaldo!!
Mike.
Lost seraphim
01-10-2004, 00:57
how can can he NOT play Rooney and Ronaldo :D
Do you think Ronaldo will develop a sense of jealousy for Rooney and vice versa?
Especially when Ronaldo's debut has been great as well, and now Rooney's performing so well.
And they both played well against each other's team at Euro 2004 as well.
If they can play well together then United must have one of the most gifted young sides once more.
Ronaldo :D & Rooney:D
Lost seraphim
01-10-2004, 20:58
probably, but I'm pretty sure Sir Alex would talk to him about that
I'm really excited about them playing together, they both play such flamboyant styles, going to be some great seasons for United
i think they'll play off each other coz ronaldo will make goals for rooney so they'll probably be gud mates and play really well together
thompson.
01-10-2004, 22:19
Here, do any of yous go to OT to watch them?
Yeah, I try to go at least 3 times a season. It is hard to get over to often cos of the prices and the difficulty to get tickets. If you are trying to imply that no united fans from outside Manchester go to see the team play I think you will find you are wrong.
thompson.
02-10-2004, 13:24
Yeah, I try to go at least 3 times a season. It is hard to get over to often cos of the prices and the difficulty to get tickets. If you are trying to imply that no united fans from outside Manchester go to see the team play I think you will find you are wrong.
Well, the majority dont go mate!
And if your implying your a hardcore fan cos you go 3 times a year, i think you will find your not!
skullverine
02-10-2004, 13:33
my starting line-up
gk: carroll
rb: gary
lb: heinze
cb: ferdinand
cb: silvestre
mr: CR
mc: keane
mc: fletcher
ml: giggs
st: rooney
st: rvn
u lot heard Brown and Carroll rejected new contracts Carroll fair enough but losing Brown would be a big blow indeed...and fergie wont be trying to persuade Brown to stay-fergies annoyed
skullverine
02-10-2004, 13:41
carroll rejected the new contract offer was kinda weird.. i remember he said he was looking forward to sign a new contract last season
yea especially after hes getting a run in the team ahead of howard!?!?
skullverine
02-10-2004, 13:48
well, its not good for the club.. other team may get him for free!! :eek:
Phatmann
02-10-2004, 13:51
I try and go up as often as possible but with expensive train/match tickets it's hard and also it's difficult to get tickets unless you are a season ticket holder (you can't go to away matches if you're just a member). However, I would love to go to Old Trafford for every match. Last season I only managed to get to about 5 league matches and 1 or 2 CL matches.
I must admit i been to more man utd away games then the home games..although i do go to the occasional Cl match.
Phatmann
02-10-2004, 13:55
well, its not good for the club.. other team may get him for free!! :eek:
We better not be that stupid. Carroll is a good keeper and it would be terrible to see him go for nothing.
However, it may be a great oppurtinity for Luke Steele to come through into the 1st team. Paddy Crerand said on MUTV the other day that in his time he has never seen a keeper come through the ranks at Man U!
Lost seraphim
02-10-2004, 22:22
how old is Luke Steele now?
He was known 2 years ago, I'm guessing now he's 19 or 20 years old.
His squad number was 44 then.
Goalkeepers seldom come through effectively, it just takes one top class keeper to keep him out of the pitch.
Lost seraphim
03-10-2004, 06:17
oh, he's definately old enough to come in then, Marshall's 19 and he's doing a great job for Celtic
7RONALDO7
03-10-2004, 17:08
1-1 terrible preformance, I heard that Ronaldo had a good game and that Rooney didn't reall get into the game alot!
Smith!!!!!!!!
Lost seraphim
03-10-2004, 17:23
Ronaldo had 10 shots on goal! compared to Rooney's 3 and Ruud's 2, he should be looking to supply the strikers
adams9802
03-10-2004, 17:28
1-1 terrible preformance, I heard that Ronaldo had a good game and that Rooney didn't reall get into the game alot!
Smith!!!!!!!!
But to be fair Boro seem to have your numbers, Mclaren knows how to play you....the results at old traffor since he's been incharge of boro have been phenomenal considering.
BazHilder
03-10-2004, 18:55
Yep, good old boro we can always count on them.
To be fair to united at least they always give it their all and throw men forward. Chelsea beat Liverpool with a mighty 2 shots on target.
Kovacevic
03-10-2004, 20:31
That McClaren really buggs me out... Anyone know the stats boro has against United. God damn i cant remember the last Untited win.. And yes, the boro defence did a mighty fine job in simply taking the two strikers out of the game. Rooney seemed to loose his nerve in the second half. Didn`t feel gigsy had a bad game. He`s deffinetly playing better than last season..
1-1 terrible preformance, I heard that Ronaldo had a good game and that Rooney didn't reall get into the game alot!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Manchester United were at home today, and aren't you a season ticket holder?
So how come you only heard about the game?
skullverine
04-10-2004, 07:28
Ronaldo is too gready!!! he took a shot instead crossing/passing the ball when there are many players in the box
Ronaldo seemed to be trying too hard to do something spectacular - instead of just doing the simple things. His cross for Alan was perfectly executed though. Rooney I feel was in the situation where the lack of match fitness caught up with him - he'd have probably got though Tuesday on adrenaline.
Having said that, fair play to Middlesbrough - they looked very combative in midfield, especially Boateng.
Still, however far Arsenal are ahead, they're still catchable if United can put a run together.
Mike.
Lord Shrimpeh
16-10-2004, 15:09
Birmingham 0 - 0 Man United
United are in a crisis now.
Ferguson started with 4 forwards in Saha, van Nistelrooy, Smith and Cristiano Ronaldo and they didn't score a goal in the first half.
In they second Ferguson brought on another 2 strikers in Paul Scholes and Wayne Rooney, to give what websites describe as an "ultra-attacking line-up", but they still didn't score a goal.
Are facing the same problem as Real Madrid right now, having the right players but not able to do the right things, scoring goals.
uA - 1905
16-10-2004, 16:46
What was the song that played in Birmingham just before the kickoff in the second half?
United are in a crisis now.
Ferguson started with 4 forwards in Saha, van Nistelrooy, Smith and Cristiano Ronaldo and they didn't score a goal in the first half.
In they second Ferguson brought on another 2 strikers in Paul Scholes and Wayne Rooney, to give what websites describe as an "ultra-attacking line-up", but they still didn't score a goal.
Are facing the same problem as Real Madrid right now, having the right players but not able to do the right things, scoring goals.no they aint in crisis at all
Lost seraphim
17-10-2004, 06:10
they just don't seem to be gelling very well, a lot of passes were going astray needlessly
hopefully the destruction of Sparta Prague will boost up their morale ahead of the Arsenal game next week :D
^^^
Don't know why you think that. By the same logic, Real, who defeated Roma (and even came back from a 2-0 deficit) should've overcome their crisis, and man u thrashed feber 6-2. so NO.
Man U's problem, as Figo10 stated above, is very similar to Real's - no midfield dominance. Real are missing Makelele, Man U are missing Keane in good form. the no. 5 position is probably the most influential - just look at arsenal, they have the best defensive midfielder around and they look just great. off course I'm not saying this is everything but it is a major contribution to the explanation.
skullverine
21-10-2004, 06:05
yeah.. man U is missing keane's good form.. and i do think ManU is missing beckham's service. i know that giggs and ronaldo are trying to do the same service as beckham(crossing, corner etc) but theirs are not as good as beckham's.
Giggs is still an effective veterian for Manchester United, but Ronaldo perhaps tends to spend a little too much effort trying to beat a player then cross instead of what Beckham does, just crossing directly as if the defender isn't there, I don't see what's wrong in doing that.
And now Ferguson is worried for his expensive strikeforce. The 7m spent on Smith, 12m on Saha, 19m on van Nistelrooy and 30m on Rooney, for a total of 68 million, could only produce two goalless displays in two days against rather, shall I say, "average" teams.
He needs to do some sorting out in midfield in order to improve ball possession I would suggest.
proevo_15021975
21-10-2004, 09:04
whats your opinions for the forthcoming game this sunday.
Lost seraphim
22-10-2004, 03:49
if United doesn't stop Arsenal, nobody else will
with Viera out, it might make it a little easier, but with the quality of players United have, they should be able to take them at full strength anyway, it will be all about how hard they work and how they gell together
Not only is Vieira out, but also Edu, Gilberto and Henry is trying to shake off an injury.
Manchester United should not only work hard, but work hard with the right tactics, and they'll stop Arsenal in their tracks at 49 games unbeaten :)
Will be sweet revenge for van Nistelrooy if he gets another last minute penalt and scores :D
skullverine
22-10-2004, 07:48
i hope manU will be the 1st team to beat arsenal.. i dont wanna see o'shea in midfield again!! if keane is still out, i'd rather play fletcher rather than o'shea in midfield.
my formation:
..........carroll............. .....
g.nev..ferdinand..silvestre... heinze
CR.....keane(fletch)..scholes. .giggs
.........rvn...........saha
subs: ricardo,brown,o'shea,smith,roo ney
proevo_15021975
22-10-2004, 08:36
what players do you consider to be 2nd rate manx players that usually wouldnt get into your team.as a outsider looking in i'd say r.keane,carrol,howard,fletcher ,oshea,silvestre.these players would get into any other team apart from chelsea and arse.keane is good but not as good as he used to be age and injuries have made him lose his dominance that he once had.
Saha should start against Arsenal like he scored against them at Highbury, and perhaps Smith in the starting 11 in attacking midfield.
Rooney should come on at around 70 minutes, and he'll spark Manchester United into life and scare the pants off the Gunners :D
Fergie has the full defence to choose from, so I expect to see a solid performance from the Devils' back four on Sunday, then only can Manchester United think about winning.
Kovacevic
22-10-2004, 10:17
Im afraid the recent results, havent increased the confidence of the devils. Didn`t`watch the Sparta game, but saw RVNs chance. That is something we cannot afford against the gunners. And i agree Figo, before we can think about a win, the defence needs to be top notch. Ferdinand in pair with silvestre, will be essential in stopping Henry(if hes fit) and Reyes. Crossing my fingers!
proevo_15021975
22-10-2004, 10:56
criest i hope you guys win,otherwise title race is almost over b4 its even begun.
JimmyHill11
22-10-2004, 11:13
why isn't fergie playing Fletcher this season? He and Keane were top not against arsenal in the FA semi last season - Viera was given a real contest. Oshea is a bungler compared to Fletch.
Having Keane is the team used to be like having 2 hardcore midfielders, he was that good. Tha'ts why you could have Scholes in Midfield and 2 up front. That doesnt work anymore. Also Giggs doesn't defend / tackle back to the same standard he used to. I don't think Scholes, Rooney and RVN can play in the same team. I would drop Rooney for this match. the ginger ninja has good recent scoring form againt Arsenal
Im afraid the recent results, havent increased the confidence of the devils. Didn`t`watch the Sparta game, but saw RVNs chance. That is something we cannot afford against the gunners. And i agree Figo, before we can think about a win, the defence needs to be top notch. Ferdinand in pair with silvestre, will be essential in stopping Henry(if hes fit) and Reyes. Crossing my fingers!
The Red Devils should be well geared up for their challenge against their most hated rivals, but even a win would only reduce the early-season gap to 8 points, still a very steep hill for Manchester United to climb, not to say overtake Arsenal.
And anyway, what big impact does a United win have??? Yes, they get the occasional 3 points, and Arsenal do not get any points, but I'm sure in the next games Arsenal would be back to winning ways and Manchester United perhaps get another goalless draw to bring their debts almost back to level terms again.
I'm really hoping Henry doesn't play, or doesn't start at least, remember United's 1-0 win in the FA Cup last season semi-final against the Gunners???
Wenger made a mistake in benching Henry and Arsenal lost the game.
Lost seraphim
22-10-2004, 18:41
I think Rooney should start, it's his birthday on Sunday and he'll be roaring to go
Fletch has been playing with the reserves lately, the only game I saw him play was against Fenerbahce, and the thing I didn't like about him was that he hesitated during his runs, he should be more fearless at his age
Yeah should build up his confidence just like Rooney.
If Rooney starts he will issue some fear into Arsenal. Remember Arsenal's unbeaten run from 2002 to 2003 December when they never looked like getting beaten by anybody???
It was Rooney with that 30m rocket into the top corner which beat David Seaman and stop their unbeaten run at 30.
And now he's got another chance to stop it at 49 games, which I have to say will be heartbreak for the Gunners if they lose just one match away from the half century.
skullverine
23-10-2004, 06:00
fletcher was given the chance to impress SAF last season.. i think fergie was impressed because fletcher was shite at right wing. i think he should play at centre midfield cause that's his fav. position
Fletcher would be finding it hard to get games for Manchester United, there's already other attacking players like Scholes, Cristiano Ronaldo, Bellion, Kleberson and Solskjaer when he's back.
He should still continue on his favoured right wing position in my opinion, he does he great potential there as he has shown playing and captaining Scotland, and scoring from there as well.
-=[101st]=-
24-10-2004, 12:13
2 - 2
Rooney Double,
Reyes with an early opener, and Henry with an added time Record Preserver.. ambitious i know.. but..
BazHilder
24-10-2004, 12:47
I reckon 1-1. I think we'll score first, probably Henry and Rooney'll get one back. Other than that I can see a tight, dull 0-0.
I'll say there'll be no goals in the first half, and 1 goal in the second.
Manchester United 1 - 0 Arsenal
Hopefully we win, the scorer doesn't matter.
7RONALDO7
24-10-2004, 18:08
United 2-0 Arsenal!!!!!!!
C'mon!!
Ruud, Rooney!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice one,a great game,well done united!!! :D
NIKE
Casillas
25-10-2004, 02:40
A magnificent win for Man United fans
Congratulations
skullverine
25-10-2004, 07:11
i didnt watch the match cause it was late(11.00 pm) in brunei. i heard that most of arsenal's attacking men didnt have any chance at all to break manU's defence. is that true?
Harry-Kewell
25-10-2004, 07:29
i didnt watch the match cause it was late(11.00 pm) in brunei. i heard that most of arsenal's attacking men didnt have any chance at all to break manU's defence. is that true?
Henry had a good chance in the first half when he should've hit it first time and Bergkamp came close too. Carroll made a couple of fine saves to deny Arsenal. Other than those chances, they rarely threatened. Same with Man Utd though. They never posed any danger to Arsenal's defence. They were left exposed for the second goal, however, that was because they had no choice but to take a risk and go forward. Toure was playing in strike for the last 5-10 minutes.
yeah !!! man u wins !!! come on sing with me !1 man u , man u , man u , man u , man u , man u , man u !!! man u man u man u man u man u man u man u
An arsenal player throwing soup over A.Ferguson was the world coming to!
ALEX FERGUSON had pea soup and food thrown at him by an Arsenal player in an amazing tunnel bust-up.
The Gunners were furious at losing their unbeaten record to arch rivals United.
They insisted Wayne Rooney had dived to win a vital penalty and both sets of players snarled and jabbed fingers at each other as they headed down the tunnel.
Fergie came under fire as tempers flared and the United manager had to change his SHIRT before doing TV interviews.
7RONALDO7
25-10-2004, 18:51
The FA wont bother looking into and finding out who threw it! But they look into the Nistelrooy tackle, yeh it was bad but Arsenal were going the same, Henry kneed Heinze in the face, Reyes nearly took Scholes' sock of(same as what Nistelrooy did!!)
yea that tackke on scholes was awfull reyes studded him all down his shins.
Ruud wanted revenge for what happend in the match last season
I watched that Ruud tackle again in normal time not the slowed down version and thought it did look like he was goin for the ball,but thats just me!
NIKE
Lord Shrimpeh
26-10-2004, 23:02
Ruud is banned for 3 matches, which was unfourtunate since he admited to it so should be left off more leniently. Still I guess thats the law. Luckily tonights match counted as part of the band so he'll only miss 2 matches. Smith or Saha should do as a replacement for them. Smith I hope.
Plus United won 3-0 against Crewe. They put out a strong side so it was to be expected though good to see Pique.
I wonder how Pique is doing do any of you know???
Van Nistelrooy's ban, a bit harsh I would say, because he had admitted to it before hand.
And Ferdinand should have at least been cautioned for his barge into Ljungberg, but he hasn't, and that can only be a good thing for Manchester United :D
Expect to see more Man of the Match performances coming from Rio in future :)
Thought you guys might be interested in this http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?id=315305&cc=3888
That's nice for old Roy.
Shows his captaincy and performances are appreciated.
Think Kluivert might be one of Holland's greatest players as well, 39 goals in 80 games :D
skullverine
06-11-2004, 04:20
i hope united will win the derby!
*this is the first time i've been online since 28 october.. i missed u guys
Hi :)
Anyway you know where's the derby played at???
Old Trafford or City of Manchester Stadium???
skullverine
06-11-2004, 05:21
old trafford
i hope united wont fu*ks up the match like last season.. the infamous 4-1 defeat at city of manchester stadium
That's not gonna happen again.
City are on a bad patch of form recently, and United are gonna take full advantage of that and give them a beating.
United 3 - 1 City
Going with the same scoreline and last season.
Even though we're missing Ruud we still have Rooney and Saha, and Smith and Giggs to get the goals for us.
winning886
06-11-2004, 11:26
No worries for Manutd fans, Mancity have problem dealing with injury phrones and bad forms.
Yeah they should be the ones worrying, not the Red Devils.
I don't think they will fair very well either if United don't.
skullverine
06-11-2004, 16:02
i think silvestre is injured.. so i expect 2 changes from the cl lineup. smith for ruud and brown for silvestre
skullverine
07-11-2004, 14:25
that was when utd play at city. not city play at old trafford. utd have better record when they play at their home ground. 30 years unbeaten by city
Yeah.
And it surely isn't gonna fall now. City aren't in form at all, so Keegan can stop his wishful thinking of an upset to add to United's woes.
how the fuck did smith's effort stay out,city battled brilliantly but they didn't even defend well.Another weekend comprehending a shit result,and it's monday tommorow,damn.
Fergie???
Not so serious is the situation???
He has done so much for the club, been here the last 15 years, won 8 Premiership trophies with United.
He's trying to develop a team for the future. Look at his buys, Bellion, O'Shea, Ronaldo, Miller, Djemba-Djemba, Ferdinand, Brown, Kleberson and others. They will be a great united team in years to follow.
skullverine
08-11-2004, 00:52
manutd need to find a solution about their scoring drought.. its not rooney.. so i think manutd need to buy a midfielder who is an assist-man and creative midfielder
Heinze is not bad for an attacking source.
Did you see his thunderous volley with his left foot which hit the crossbar at Old Trafford against Sparta???
If that had found the top corner of the net he would be called the new Roberto Carlos.
Great buy by Ferguson. I thought he might turn out to be another Argentinian flop in the English Premiership just like Veron and Crespo.
skullverine
08-11-2004, 01:04
is it time for utd to introduce Rossi? and how good is Eagles?
winning886
08-11-2004, 04:48
So without Van Nistelrooy Manutd can't score!? What happened to Rooney, Saha and Smith? How could Giggs missed that? Scholes is playing invisible?
City's defence was hard to break down.
United almost always get through their attacks up to the end, only for it to be obstructed from continuation by a City player at the very last second.
Like Dunne and Distin always tackling and clearing at the last moment, McManaman clearing Smith's spectacular overhead kick off the line etc...
And it should have been 3-0 within the first 5 minutes. Silvestre and Saha were obviously brought to ground by the defensive Blues, and Uited should have taken their early chance and scored with it as well.
But City escaped all those and they have travelled their short journey home contented with a 0-0 draw at Old Trafford.
Travis Bickle
08-11-2004, 18:53
And it should have been 3-0 within the first 5 minutes. Silvestre and Saha were obviously brought to ground by the defensive Blues, and Uited should have taken their early chance and scored with it as well.
I reckon Silvestres was a if/maybe that the referee didn't give because how far up the player was so early on, he probably thought Silvestre couldn't hack being in the box. But the Saha one was a definite penalty, it's embarrasing that the ref didn't give that, he could of given it just for the shirt tugging then as the ball was at Saha's feet the guy, was it Distin? just jumped on top of him.
Fergie reckons it's because of the referee Manchester United had a Old Trafford when we were challenging Arsenal.
After he awarded Rooney with a penalty and penalised Campbell, there was a lot of controversy going on, so he would want to avoid all those by simply not awarding a penalty in the Manchester derby.
The game United won against the Gunners had negative effect on this one.
Phatmann
09-11-2004, 14:31
I reckon Silvestres was a if/maybe that the referee didn't give because how far up the player was so early on, he probably thought Silvestre couldn't hack being in the box. But the Saha one was a definite penalty, it's embarrasing that the ref didn't give that, he could of given it just for the shirt tugging then as the ball was at Saha's feet the guy, was it Distin? just jumped on top of him.
It was Antoine Sibierski i think- he wasn't even looking at the ball when he brought Saha down. However, we shouldn't have to rely on a penalty just to win a game. We should be scoring in open play with the players we've got- very disappointed with league performances lately. I think it's the midfield which is the problem. Maybe a re-shuffle or different tactics would help.
skullverine
10-11-2004, 17:49
well, the treble winning players are getting older! g.nev=29, scholes=29(will be 30 sometime this november) giggs=30(will turn 31 sometime this november) keane=32. manutd havent found the perfect replacement for them.
their performance are not as good as when they were younger
Fergie hasn't found the perfect replacement, but he's brought in plenty of youngsters to the club.
Like Cristiano Ronaldo, David Bellion and Liam Miller and Darren Fletcher. They are going to take over the big boys one they, therefore they playing now to gain experience and preparation.
And anyway, 600+ appearances Ryan Giggs doesn't seem to be starting every match now unlike in the past decade, Fergie is giving more chances to Cristiano Ronaldo on the left wing, so Giggs has to spend some time on the bench.
Dundon's
12-11-2004, 01:20
The only World class young players Man utd Plc have are Christy/Smith/Rio and Rooney all the rest are just good young players that will end up with cubs like Everton and Charlton.Now unless they have someone on the Qt waiting to storm the premiership the future doesn't look too bright for ye girls.
P.S. Q:Who's gonna replace Keano?
A:Nobody.
Fergie has brought in many holding midfielders as well.
Kleberson, Djemba-Djemba, Miller and he has Phil Neville, Scholes. They have the ability to play there but lack the influence and inspiration of captain Keano, which is no surprise given they have only just came to United.
-=[101st]=-
12-11-2004, 01:43
kleberson looks better when he is going forward.. not holding.. and Djemba x2 seems to have poor ball security at times.. it will be tough to replace Keane.. as he brings more than is performances on the field...
Think you can call Kleberson a flop already, like most newspapers have.
Bought for 6m pounds but started very few games and is not very effective as he should have been as a defensive midfielder.
Not to say Manchester United's first ever Brazilian :)
Dundon's
12-11-2004, 02:03
Fergie has brought in many holding midfielders as well.
Kleberson, Djemba-Djemba, Miller and he has Phil Neville, Scholes. They have the ability to play there but lack the influence and inspiration of captain Keano, which is no surprise given they have only just came to United.
Dude you could give them lads 40 years at the club and they'll still never touch Keano. Roy is a one in a million and thats just the way it is, don't ask me what it is cause you can't explain pure magic.IMO if Fergie lost Keano to Blackburn way back in the day when UTD robbed him form Kenny D, then I don't think Sir Alex Plc would even be the Man Utd manager. ;)
I'm probably the only dude on this planet who thinks Djemba-Djemba will surpass Roy Keane in the future.
I'm probably the only dude in this planet who thinks Djemba-Djemba will surpass Roy Keane in the future.
You're certainly right on that one :)
Roy is one in a million, he gets praise from Ferguson consistently. Is Fergie's favourite player, always captain when he's fit, Fergie has said he was United's best signing by him since his arrival.
This just reminded me of the France Vs Ireland game, Roy Keane was a rock throughout.
Dundon's
12-11-2004, 02:24
I'm probably the only dude on this planet who thinks Djemba-Djemba will surpass Roy Keane in the future.
^
lol Destroy this post A.S.A.P. ;)
P.S. OR else?????????????? :rolleyes: :D ;)
Hehe people have their own views of things, and if Gunplay's is that Djemba-Djemba will leapfrog Keano soon, then we'll respect that :D
Dundon's
12-11-2004, 02:55
Hehe people have their own views of things, and if Gunplay's is that Djemba-Djemba will leapfrog Keano soon, then we'll respect that :D
Ah c'mon dude I know Gunplay and he would never say such a thing, must have being somebody else using Gunplays account.
P.S. I just hope Gunplay doesn't stand by the comments in question. :(
skullverine
12-11-2004, 03:54
as far as i know, djdj only has one classy performance that is against arsenal in the community sheild this year
Like Cristiano Ronaldo, David Bellion and Liam Miller and Darren Fletcher. They are going to take over the big boys one they, therefore they playing now to gain experience and preparation.
Hmmmm....
Ronaldo: doubtless, already the best right winger in the world and could become the best player ever (ive honestly never seen a young player as good as him)
bellion: no chance
miller: possibly
fletcher: doubt it
All imo of course.
Of course we don't know who are gonna be playing in Manchester United's starting 11 in a few years time, but there'll certainly be a number of young players now being there. Fletcher has been given few chances this season but he'll get through.
As for Ronaldo and Ferdinand, they're already stars and should be in the first team as long as they're available then. And Rooney maybe. Hope Giggs doesn't retire by 2006 at least, we'll miss his pacy dribbling.
I'm probably the only dude on this planet who thinks Djemba-Djemba will surpass Roy Keane in the future.
i think djemba squared will be sold before long.
Of course we don't know who are gonna be playing in Manchester United's starting 11 in a few years time, but there'll certainly be a number of young players now being there. Fletcher has been given few chances this season but he'll get through.
Ive not seen him doing anything special at all.
As for Ronaldo and Ferdinand, they're already stars and should be in the first team as long as they're available then. And Rooney maybe. Hope Giggs doesn't retire by 2006 at least, we'll miss his pacy dribbling.
Me too, dont think he will tbh.
The only concern i have about ronaldo is whether he will be sold or not. If glazer manages a takover that is very possible, and even if he doesnt the amount of money theyd get for him might be too tempting.
I really hope not, he's the symbol of Manchester Unites wearing the royal number 7 shirt after David Beckham has departed for Spain, and is one of the best Red Devils in my opinions.
Don't think a takeover is coming though :)
I really hope not, he's the symbol of Manchester Unites wearing the royal number 7 shirt after David Beckham has departed for Spain, and is one of the best Red Devils in my opinions.
Don't think a takeover is coming though :)
Glazer has driven everyone away from him, but he continues to try.. it could still happen.
Malcolm Glazer's bid to buy Manchester United appears to be in tatters tonight after the American's bankers JP Morgan dramatically resigned.
The decision was swiftly followed by a similar course of action from Brunswick PR, the company who have been looking after Glazer's media interests during his controversial attempt to takeover the Old Trafford outfit.
While there has been no formal statement from either organisation, the Press Association understands Glazer has been informed of the decisions, which came at the end of a dramatic day in which the American removed three members of United board.
Against the wishes of chief executive David Gill, the re-elections of long-serving legal adviser Maurice Watkins, commercial director Andy Anson and non-executive director Philip Yea were all blocked by a Glazer representative at today's annual general meeting.
With major shareholders John Magnier and JP McManus following usual convention by not casting a vote and leading City institutions following suit, Glazer's 28.11% stake was enough to prevent the trio being re-elected.
Within an hour of the result of the ballot being known, the remaining members of the United board sanctioned a statement claiming Glazer had threatened to take action unless he was allowed to view confidential information about the company, with which he could lodge a hostile takeover.
Having had the access denied, Glazer carried out his highly controversial threat.
But tonight, it appears the action has backfired on the 76-year-old owner of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers NFL franchise.
Although the precise details for the resignations are yet to be revealed, it is assumed that Glazer went against the advice of JP Morgan and Brunswick when carrying out his boardroom coup.
Such a divergence in strategy would have left the bank in an untenable position and once they quit, Brunswick were forced to follow suit as Glazer does not now have the funds to carry out his planned takeover.
JP Morgan were crucial to any deal as they were the ones putting together the #800million package which would have allowed Glazer to pursue his dream.
It was the high level of debt the American required to complete the deal that prompted Gill to break off negotiations last month.
Glazer has remained quiet since then but for a brief while this afternoon, it appeared he had gained his revenge.
News that the vote had gone against Watkins, Anson and Yea leaked out almost immediately but it was not officially confirmed until 5pm, when the United board released the statement which expressed their annoyance with the situation.
'The board are very disappointed with this outcome as we do not believe it is in the best interests of the company,' the statement read.
'It is important that all shareholders know the background to this situation.
'On October 25, we announced that the board had undertaken discussions with the Glazer's family advisers in relation to the potential capital structure and outline business plan which would be used to support an offer.
'At that time, the board stated they would not support any offer underpinned by the structure which had been outlined and therefore terminated discussions.
'Although the Glazer family were well aware of the board's position they continued to press for access to confidential information about the company and made it clear that if they were not granted the ability to carry out due diligence then they would vote against certain resolutions at the AGM.
'The board were not prepared to allow due diligence to be carried out in the context of their proposal which was not considered to be in the interests of the company.
'The company has been in an Offer Period twice this year as a result of the actions of the Glazer family and no definitive proposal has been put to the board.
'The board considers that it is now of critical importance that the Glazer family clarify their intentions and will be taking all steps available to ensure that such clarification takes places as quickly as possible.'
It was a bold move by Gill and chairman Sir Roy Gardner to be so openly critical of a man who had proved how much power his stake in the club gives him.
That was before JP Morgan dropped their bombshell, which has backed Glazer into a corner.
Magnier and McManus have already broken off negotiations with the American and have refused to re-open then even though Glazer indicated he was prepared to buy their 28.9% stake within seven days of completing the due diligence Gill's refusal to open the books denied him.
If a bank of JP Morgan's reputation is not prepared to back him, it appears highly unlikely any other organisation would take an alternative view without massively increasing the interest payments to a level even Glazer may find prohibitive.
Now, his long and short-term intentions remain unclear, although tonight's news is bound to have a dramatic effect on United's share price, which has risen sharply over the last few months amid speculation that Glazer was about to complete a deal.
Supporters have waged a fierce war against the American, including burning an effigy of him from the Stretford End during United's recent Barclays Premiership clash with Arsenal.
Yet even as the joy at the latest development sunk it, fans remain on a war footing.
Shareholders United spokesman Oliver Houston claimed: 'This underlines the case against Malcolm Glazer.
'Apart from the supporters, the board and John Magnier and JP McManus, even his own bankers and spin machine are against him now.
'He has few friends or options but like a wild animal, Glazer is often most dangerous when he is cornered. We must make sure he is put down once and for all.'
It seems Glazer has suffered a setback in his quest to take over Old Trafford.
The glazer situations looking good.
Glazer has to find someone else to fund his takeover and it looks as though no one will want to support him as his takeover is hostile. Right now, it doesn't look as though he can get the money to buy the club. If he really wants to buy the club, he'll have to at least declare his intentions with the club to his backers.
At least its bought the board some time to reorganise and prepare to fight glazers approaches.
He sure fucked things up a bit though vetoing those guys getting reelected. What a complete dickhead.
Wonder if theres some legal way he can be forced to sell his shares for acting like that.....
theres only one player i can think of at this moment in the world who is capable of filling Roy Keane's boots but he would cost too much that being... Genaro Gattuso as hes just as hard as Keane, maybe not as greater passer but that has improved, he gives his all, is a great leader, is not afraid to criticise his own or his team m8s performance's.... or i cud upset the Real Madrid brigade and say.... Javier Mascherano ;)........ remember noeone said you could replace Bryan Robson.... Fergie done a great job at that.... although i dont think Keane even though he was the best in the world at one point was a patch on Britain's best ever midfielder
Roy Keane when he first signed for us was a defender wasn't he? He got converted to midfield when Paul Ince left I think. So IF anyone will replace Keane, it may be a defender.
Not really.. ages ago he was played as a right back, right winger and attacking midfielder before he switched to defensive/central midfield, afaik.
He is not a defender now apart from some rare occasions so why would they get a defender to replace him? They need a quality defensive midfielder.
skullverine
17-11-2004, 02:30
i'm so unhappy with ronaldo's performance! very greedy,poor crossing etc! i hope giggs will start instead of him for the next game
Yeah Ryan Giggs is on 600+ appearances now, why won't Fergie get him to 723 to equal United's top performances record??? That's held by Bobby Charlton, but if Giggs starts every game it will be in sight.
Pity Fergie's squad rotation has left him on the bench sometimes this season. Hope Giggs continues to keep the left berth, let Ronaldo, Fletcher and others fight it out on the right wing.
-=[101st]=-
17-11-2004, 04:44
Ronaldo just needs to learn when to give it and wehn to take it.. remember he has come from a team where he was most likely the go to man.. this is not what happens at united.. so it will take him a while to adapt...
His while has been the whole of last season :)
I believe he has learnt how do make the right choices on the pitch.
Already gained experience at both club and international level, Ferguson should be expecting more of him in future in the first team.
skullverine
20-11-2004, 02:53
bad news! saha is out for 4 weeks! after he was injured in WC qualifying match
good news: rvn should be fit for saturday's game
Hopefully. Rooney and Smith are fit so United should give their all against Charlton. Gotta beware of Murphy though, scorer of 3 winners at Old Trafford in the last 4 seasons.
Van Nistelrooy-Rooney partnership is blooming well, hope they share 2 or 3 goals among them at Old Trafford today???
:)
Final Score 2-0 , Comfortable victory for us ! :D
Scholes finally got another goal !
NIKE
skullverine
20-11-2004, 14:45
classy cross by fletcher!
fletcher= 2 apps. 2 assists
ronaldo= 13+apps. 1 assists
scholes' goal should be one of the goal of the week contender
At last the midfield scores, Fergie said neither Ronaldo, Giggs nor Scholes had scored any goals before this.
Let's hope the good form continues.
And that Arsenal or Chelsea slip at home :)
Fletcher was outstanding in the second half and i was well chuffed to see scholesy grab a goal,hope bolton can put in the type of performance against chelsea they did against arsenal.
skullverine
20-11-2004, 15:04
i'm impressed by fletcher's performance.. hope he starts more game than Ronaldo cause ronaldo only does skill and his crossing is really poor
If i'am honest i don't rate fletcher but as he gets older he will get better,his passing game is a bit weak but i think his attitude and work rate is fantastic.
His passing isn't weak, he did a fantastic cross-field inch-perfect long ball to van Nistelrooy in the Champions League. Might be aiming for accuracy, hence the less powerful passes.
skullverine
20-11-2004, 15:32
and more important, he crosses better than ronaldo
Were not as dangerous on the wings when fletcher plays,and we lack an attacking option when he is on the right IMO.
Looks like United have reduced their point difference with Arsenal and Chelsea.
The duo succumbed to draws at home :D
Not a bad matchday for United, and they shouldn't wait for big teams to slip, they should gon winning games themselves. I think the draws of Arsenal and Chelsea can be counted as slips, they should be coming back next week.
I wudn't say Ronaldo is no good at crosses,he has put it a good few,I think he's mainly concentrating on getting his goal tally up,Anyways about Fletcher,he looked great today,Great cross to Scholes and cool finish from him aswell :D overall good weekend for us!
NIKE
i think fletecher isnt very good on the wings u need to play him in the centre he is a much better player , like today he was playing more on the centre than on the right and he was really good
Ronaldos recent performances particularly his crossing havnt been so good because he is exhausted. He hasnt really had a break for about a year and a half, with the olympics, euro 2004 and starting most matches for united. Im surprised hes lasted this long. Needs about a months rest imo.
skullverine
21-11-2004, 04:29
i hope arse and chelsea will keep on drawing until manutd close the gap :D
Chelsea's defence is so good, we will never see them conceding twice in a match again, unless it's against Arsenal or United. Arsenal drawing at home to West Brom must be a good result for the rest of England :D
ruud_v_n10
21-11-2004, 11:32
true, but utd have fairly easy teams in ahead fixtures. lets hope they win all while the other two suffer
From there I agree you can say United have a fairly easier run-in, but they better not underestimate the fixtures. They have to try their bewst to take maximum points off their average opponents whilst their 2 biggest rivals drop points.
Arsenal are going through a bad patch and have tough fixtures ahead, so, yeah, let's sit back and watch what unfolds :)
skullverine
21-11-2004, 16:30
united have a fairly easier run-in but who knows that utd might be beaten by 'suprise' like pompey did
United being beaten by surprise teams have become so common nowa-seasons that it seems nothing special anymore. Being beaten by Wolves, City, Blackburn, Southampton, just name it, they've won United.
It's always good to beat Arsenal, Liverpool and Newcastle, but losing to Pompey in return, does not seem such an attractive run anymore...
ruud_v_n10
23-11-2004, 11:40
this thing always ticks me off, what is it that they are over-confident or something that they let these minows bet them
I don't think that's the problem, but perhaps they are the sort of team to rise for big games, like Bolton and City, and tend to treat ordinary opponents with less concentration.
They beat Newcastle at St James' Park remember?
JimmyHill11
23-11-2004, 16:04
i think fletecher isnt very good on the wings u need to play him in the centre he is a much better player , like today he was playing more on the centre than on the right and he was really good
Definately. Last season he had some notable performances in the centre with Keane which had Scholes pushed up behind RVN - The FA cup semi against Arsenal springs to mind when he went toe to toe with Viera. He seemed to have a good blend with Keane becuase he has the legs ( long skinny ones at that) that Keane doesn't have anymore
I thought he was a real plus to emerge from last season but this season I think he has been left out the team in an effort by SAF to have both Scholes and Rooney in the team. This means that Scholes has played deeper and lost the influence he can have. I know Scholes used to play there before RVN came to the club but that was when Keane was basicaly the best most influential midfielder in Europe. Scholes best ever season was 2002/03 when he played behind Ruud and I think that is his best position.
Fletcher shouldn't be left out of the team and Scholes shouldn't be played out of postion just becuase SAF wants to play all his forwards at once.
Fletcher shouldn't be left out of the team and Scholes shouldn't be played out of postion just becuase SAF wants to play all his forwards at once.
He isn't playing all his forwards, otherwise he would be playing Smith in the first team as a "midfielder" too.
Fletcher is good at the centre, but his best chance to play is on the wing, Fergie has so many quality central midfielders, young Fletcher wouldn't find any place in there for himself.
Definately. Last season he had some notable performances in the centre with Keane which had Scholes pushed up behind RVN - The FA cup semi against Arsenal springs to mind when he went toe to toe with Viera. He seemed to have a good blend with Keane becuase he has the legs ( long skinny ones at that) that Keane doesn't have anymore
I thought he was a real plus to emerge from last season but this season I think he has been left out the team in an effort by SAF to have both Scholes and Rooney in the team. This means that Scholes has played deeper and lost the influence he can have. I know Scholes used to play there before RVN came to the club but that was when Keane was basicaly the best most influential midfielder in Europe. Scholes best ever season was 2002/03 when he played behind Ruud and I think that is his best position.
Fletcher shouldn't be left out of the team and Scholes shouldn't be played out of postion just becuase SAF wants to play all his forwards at once.
When has keane ever been left out other than to rest him... and who do you want out of the team to let fletcher in?? The 4 first choice midfielders are all far better than him. Or would you rather play with 1 striker? I definitely wouldnt.
Fletcher could be of some use in the centre. Keane's getting old, and I really don't think that neither Djemba-Djemba nor Kleberson are able to take his place. Either we give Fletcher a chance, or get someone like Emre Belozoglu. Or if it's true that Mark Van Bommel is leaving PSV this season, I wouldn't mind seeing him with us. He played a good game against Arsenal.
Ronaldo7UTD
27-11-2004, 00:23
yes he was good against arsenal , also i agree i can see djemba-djemba taking keanes place it would be interesting to see what he can do in the premiership
Probably somewhere around about the bugger all mark Id have thought :D
man u is thinkin abt buyin hargreaves , maybe he can take keane's place
Papa Lazarou
27-11-2004, 19:34
i reckon that we should buy Hargreaves as he is a good utility player and would add a bit of variety in our play. However i think that Kleberson deserves more chances of starting, as does Djemba-Djemba
i reckon that we should buy Hargreaves as he is a good utility player and would add a bit of variety in our play. However i think that Kleberson deserves more chances of starting, as does Djemba-Djemba
Yes Hargreaves would also be a good buy for us. Also if Giggsy doesn't stay we can always use Fletcher in the centre and Hargreaves in the left. I remember something about him being good with both right and left foot? But I'd still love to see Van Bommel as our DMF. He's strong, and has great passing abilities and can take the ball away from opponents with great skill. The sliding tackle against Arsenal where he came from the back of one Arsenal midfielder (can't remember who). And the great lob to Sibon that he gave from the halfcourt. And it went exactly to Sibon.
For Kleberson and Djemba-Djemba, I still can't think of neither playing good games at our midfield. Kleberson's class, but not the type of player we need to replace Keane I think.
skullverine
28-11-2004, 05:10
what about richardson? i heard he's good for manutd reserve
Buying Hargreaves is not a bad idea, the player himself reckons he would do better in England and raise his chances for the England selection. He has been playinmg consistently for Bayern, but they will sell him if the price is right.
They value him at around 15m pounds, quite a big sum for me, I would rate him at 10m.
15m pounds for hargreaves ?! i dun think he's that much . if im man u , i will buy him for 8 mil
I was thinking of that too, but who should Fergie sell?? He's not possibly getting back his 6m spent on Kleberson, or the 3.5m spent on Djemba-Djemba. And I can't believe they only got 2.5m out of Butt's move to Newcastle, I'm sure he was worth far more.
Phatmann
28-11-2004, 15:57
what about richardson? i heard he's good for manutd reserve
He plays really well in the reserves, but when it comes to the first team he always plays terribly. I think he needs to go on loan to a 1st division/ crap premiership team to get some 1st team experience.
Yeah we should give Richardson for loan. He needs to gain more experience, then he may be ready to take Giggs' place. But for that time, we really need someone to take care of the left wing. Although we can always use Fletcher in the right and Ronaldo in the left?
About who we could sell to get Hargreaves. I really can't think of anyone. As Figo10 said we may not get our money's back from Kleberson or Djemba-Djemba.
Phatmann
28-11-2004, 19:29
I heard somewhere that everton were going to do a swap deal which sees Phil Neville going to Everton (plus a couple of million) and Thomas Gravesen going to Man U. I don't know whether this would ever happen but I'd love to see it :D . Gravesen is a very strong midfielder, who has performed very well for Everton so far. This is why I don't see it happening, but Everton might still be having money problems.
Gravesen for Phil ''Gottafoulyajustgottafoulya'' Neville is a bargain.
Can't see it happening though. Rooney upset their fans but to lose Graveson at the next chance to the same club would provoke riots. I can't see Everton really requiring to sell him either after the moolah they got from Rooney.
skullverine
29-11-2004, 02:47
i hope manutd will win again on wednesday night...hopefully we will use our first team players cause its against arsenal.. we do not want to see a beating right?
I think Rooney and Ruud have started too many games, like both were fielded from the start at West Brom, Newcastle, Lyon. Hopefully Fergie plays Smith and/or Saha against Arsenal. Saha has scored against Arsenal before, and thankfully it's United's home ground, so they should win it on the night. Scholesy for goal ??? :D
Better take advantage when Gilberto and Edu is out :p
skullverine
29-11-2004, 12:02
saha is still injured
JimmyHill11
29-11-2004, 15:49
When has keane ever been left out other than to rest him... and who do you want out of the team to let fletcher in?? The 4 first choice midfielders are all far better than him. Or would you rather play with 1 striker? I definitely wouldnt.
play with 2 strikers . RVN leading and Scholes or Rooney as support striker. My point is that it is hard having Scholes and Rooney in the same team. It effects the balance of the team. Especialy considering older Giggs & Ronaldo do not provide the same sort of protection to full backs as younger Giggs and Beckham
Keane is 1st name on the team sheet but he needs a good box to box midfielder with him . fletch could do the job, or Van Bommel or Hargreave.s Even Gravesen at Everton I think would improve the team compared to Kleberson & Djemba Djemba
I don't think Keane is fit to start every match nowadays, despite being named as Fergie's "best signing". More chances should be offered to central midfielders like Kleberson, Djemba-Djemba, Scholes,and maybe Fletcher. Giggs or Rio can take the captain's armband to great effect.
Lost seraphim
01-12-2004, 06:04
Fletch is too much of an attacker to play instead of Keane, and I think Kleberson and Dj-Dj aren't good enough to command a place in the regular starting XI in the future
Hargreaves has never impressed me for England. I've heard many good things about his Bayern performances, but having never seen them I can't really comment.
Gill has already said we'd have to sell to buy, so unless we have a mini clearout I can't see us bringing in a central midfielder good enough to be wearing the United shirt. I would want someone of Gattuso, Emre or Gerrard's talent.
I think buying a player that'd only tide us over until we get a better player is a bad idea. We've got enough of them already. I think if Kleberson was given a run of games alongside Keane, he would perform. As for when Keane is out, I would honestly go for Phil Neville. Yes he fouls a lot, but give him a run and he'll improve his match performances. He's proved he can play there in some pretty big games in the last two seasons.
Players who should bugger off: Bellion (he's got pace, and... and... pace), Djemba Djemba (I like this guy, but he's just not good enough in my opinion), Fortune (Fergie likes to use him as a utility player, I've seen him played at left back a few times -where he was complete dog shit).
Fletcher should stay and prove himself. He may be able to do well there. Am I the only person that thinks Arsenal's youths are leagues ahead of United's at the moment? In both quality and quantity.
I can see Ferguson playing a bit of a mixed side tonight. I reckon players like Howard, Smith, P. Neville, O'shea will get the nod as a kind of core to the team, with players like Fletcher, Spector, Bellion, Richardson making up the rest of the numbers
yeah , i wanna see how good is pique and rossi
skullverine
02-12-2004, 02:04
i saw Rossi performance for utd's reserve and he is a class player for reserve team.. i really like his skills
Ronaldo 9
02-12-2004, 04:29
hello man's fans..
I just wanted to say CONGRADULATION for winning the game to Arsenal..
Shaft
did u see that match , shit . bellion scored in the 18 second . but i think that was lucky
skullverine
02-12-2004, 07:04
no.. but i watched the news.. will watch the replay on astro supersports at 6 pm.. when SAF said he will play the same team as utd's previous match for carling cup, it seems like wenger believed him! :D he put an almost young players for his team
JimmyHill11
02-12-2004, 13:21
Trust me, your not the only person who thinks that Arsenals youth players are better than ours and they've got more of them too. I can only think of Pique, Rossi, Spector, Eagles and Ngalula as the young players who I think probably will end up first team regulars. Arsenal have loads of them already.
There is preception that United don't have such a great crop of up and comings. Don't forget however that over the last 2 & half seasons we have promoted a couple of players to first team: O Shea and Fletcher. We still have a good record for a big club of bringing through players, better than Arsenal. Fabregas is a tremendous player for them but that is more testament to Wenger's and Arsenals scouting skills.
It takes a long time and the jump from reserves to 1st team is very hard. It has taken Pennant a good long haul to get to be considered worth a pick in Arsenal 1st team and that was via loan spell at Leeds. O'Shea is struggling a bit for us now and will find it very hard to get back in the team. Maybe Kieron Richardson, who has been knocking on the door for a while now, should go out on loan to get 1st team experiance ?
Ronaldo 9
04-12-2004, 10:24
yeah..I think so.
others, what do you say?
Another comprehensive win today,nice to see ronaldo score.Got abit worried after 50 minutes but we came through for a 4th successive win.
Ronaldo 9
04-12-2004, 18:36
Really?! I haven't watched it for my bad luck..
and good to know that Ronaldo Scored..
Really?! I haven't watched it for my bad luck..
and good to know that Ronaldo Scored..
i haven't watched it yet but it sounded comprehensive on the match reports,the goals are begining to flow for scholes'y.
Just remembered. We got a champions league game on wednesday. I've heard from 606 that Van Nistelrooy (achilles) will be missing and we're going to play the same team as we did against Arsenal in the Carling Cup.
I don't know about you lot but I think this is a very bad move. We need to win on wednesday so that we can top the group and hopefully get "weaker" opposition in the last 16. And anyway, I'd concentrate on staying unbeaten as this can sometimes inspire a great run of form like Arsenal's 40 match unbeaten run for example. And Fenerbahce away isn't exactly easy opposition!
i agree with you totally,finishing 1st or 2nd can be the difference of failing miserabley or advancing further.Know matter who you play playing at home in the first leg is always dangerous,all it takes is a lucky goal to jeopardise your chances.
reports suggest giggs played fantastically,but this just opitimises giggs,1 in 20 performances will be of a high standard and the rest will be less than vintage.Looking forward to the motd.
Ronaldo7UTD
06-12-2004, 13:44
the team that ferguson is going to play is , phill neville wes brown, fortune, o'shea , fletcher, ronaldo, giggs, djemba-djemba, miller and bellion, im not sure which keeper he is going to play prob caroll
JimmyHill11
06-12-2004, 15:20
the team that ferguson is going to play is , phill neville wes brown, fortune, o'shea , fletcher, ronaldo, giggs, djemba-djemba, miller and bellion, im not sure which keeper he is going to play prob caroll
That would confirm that SAF doesn't rate finishing top in the group above being able to play some reserves to check their form. He is aware that some of the teams who could finish 2nd and play United in next round are not much better proposiotion than group winners. Real Madrid or Barcelona for instance...
I am glad if Miller gets a game. He was impressive against the young boys of Arsenal
Very, very bad move! We're probably not gonna win the group with this team. I can see why fergie would play a team as weak as that though. I think he wants to save the big guns for mondays trip to fulham which is a must win especially when we already know that one of or both Chelsea and Arsenal are gonna drop points on sunday and we gotta capitalise on the situation.
If Arsenal weren't playing Chelsea this weekend, I'm sure that fergie would have played a much stronger team against Fenerbahce.
but like someone said finishing second might not be that bad,but is it worth the risk,IMO i think we should go for 1st.
Papa Lazarou
06-12-2004, 22:41
I Have enough confidence in players like Djemba-Djemba, Kleberson and Bellion/ Smith to get the win and see us through
I Have enough confidence in players like Djemba-Djemba, Kleberson and Bellion/ Smith to get the win and see us through
Hope your right mate.
I've just looked at the current champions league tables and I have to say there are some tough teams there.
If we finish 2nd, out of all the teams that can still qualify, we could get one of the possible group winners below:
Inter (Group G), PSV (Group E) AC Milan and Barcelona (both Group F), Juventus (Group C), Real Madrid, Dynamo Kyiv and Leverkusen (Group B) or Olympiakos and Monaco.
Realistically, Inter, Juventus, AC Milan or Barcelona and Real Madrid should all win their groups. At that point, it becomes 50-50 whether we get them or not in the last 16. Man those would be some tough ties for the last 16! I'd say that PSV and Olympiakos are the weakest teams in that list that could finish top of their group.
getting worried.
JimmyHill11
07-12-2004, 14:47
petty we can't play Arsenal in the next round. seems to be a banker at the present time
petty we can't play Arsenal in the next round. seems to be a banker at the present time
out of the top teams i would opt to play inter.
playing at home in the first leg in mind i think that olimpiakos would be the best bet because they don't travel well although the away leg would be tough.Fergie is going to play a weaker side for certain now so i hope they can do us proud.
i think we could beat any of the italian teams it's just dangerous having the home leg first.
Yeah just remembered that. Especially if we get an italian team. Its gonna be difficult to score in Italy because of the naturally defensive style of both AC and Inter and Juventus. Its gonna be tough if its one of them. I don't really want Monaco either. They're practically giantkillers themselves.
yeah,monaco are very dangerous,look how they slaughtered depor 5-0 :eek:
Phatmann
08-12-2004, 23:11
yeah,monaco are very dangerous,look how they slaughtered depor 5-0 :eek:
Well they did beat them 8-3 last year :D
skullverine
09-12-2004, 02:27
i'm hoping that we will not get juventus! their defence is solid. only 1 goal conceded in 6 matches
JimmyHill11
09-12-2004, 21:22
yeah,monaco are very dangerous,look how they slaughtered depor 5-0 :eek:
I haven't seen Monaco play this year but from what I've heard from Liverpool fans they are not up to much. Saviola is dangerous player but they reckon apart from him they have little threat. I reckon them or Leverkusen would be the ticket (although we have fond memories of neither in knock -out CL).
If we get Juve then hopefully we can stick them 3-0 in Italy like coupkle of seasons back
they have a fantastic attack in saviola,chevanton and adebayor and a pretty solid defensive unit in rodriguez and fanfan.
If we get Juve then hopefully we can stick them 3-0 in Italy like coupkle of seasons backdream on m8
They haven't got Boa *EVENTHOUGHI'MSTRONGIDIVEALOT* Morte. Or Volz which is an advantage to the PLC's. Also Fergie knows Cole like he knows his Wrigley's flavours, should be a win. The likes of Malbranque are threatening though.
While I agree that you're still definately contenders, saying you are just because you won it the last ten years means nothing. Using that logic Blackburn should still be considered contenders.
All teams have bad patches, it's just what you class as "bad patches". Maybe drawing 2 games on trot would be a bad patch for Arsenal, who knows?
But United definitely have the potential of overtaking Arsenal in the league in a month or so I agree, and Lauren has said he might leave as well :p
Don't give up hope yet. Fergie always says his team push up the gear in the second half season after Christmas, so we can expect a few top-notch performances on the way. Hopefully they can get a repeat of 2002-03 when they went the entire 2nd half season unbeaten :D
Thats IF we're going to win the premiership. I mean in 2001/02 and 2003/04, we completely lost the plot in the 2nd half of the season. And I'm worried that what if that improvement in form past christmas, doesn't come? Then what? We'll end up outside the top 3!
I'm starting to think that something needs to be changed. Am I the only person here who thinks we should use the January transfer window to bring some quality midfielders in? Obviously, we'll have to get rid of Djemba and Kleberson. Cos right now, I can still see the problems we've been having all season which is we're not scoring enough goals. And its not exactly the strikers faults that they're not scoring. We're just not creating enough killer passes in games where we are unlucky not to get a 2nd goal like yesterday or in tight games.
Sure something needs to be changed, the sooner the better, but who should Fergie pick at that stage of the season?? An in-the-hole player to create the killer passes Veron-style??
Think United should go for quality not quantity in defensive midfield, there are many players but few can be considered serious first-team choices. They must improve their ball possession otherwise they'll have less chances to shoot.
Suger Ray
16-12-2004, 15:25
"If we get Juve then hopefully we can stick them 3-0 in Italy like coupkle of seasons back"
Thats nice..
If you only remember that you have serious problems scoring goals, your medicore attackers arent doing much and to top it off, Juve have the best defense in Europe now.
Your "goldenage" is over, Arsenal and now Chelsea have taken over, you have become "Liverpool", while Juve, Milan will always be great winning sides, hope you enjoyed the succses you got in 99, you wont be seeing that for a long time!
You would be scared if you drew Juventus, come on...you know it!
JimmyHill11
16-12-2004, 15:51
"If we get Juve then hopefully we can stick them 3-0 in Italy like coupkle of seasons back"
Thats nice..
If you only remember that you have serious problems scoring goals, your medicore attackers arent doing much and to top it off, Juve have the best defense in Europe now.
Your "goldenage" is over, Arsenal and now Chelsea have taken over, you have become "Liverpool", while Juve, Milan will always be great winning sides, hope you enjoyed the succses you got in 99, you wont be seeing that for a long time!
You would be scared if you drew Juventus, come on...you know it!
I didn't mean to be insulting. Juve are a great club. I only meant It would be good to stick 3 goals past Juve in Italy like before. The context of the comment was that we shouldn't be scared of Italian oppostion. It would be great to get an away result like that whoever we get but there is a 3/5 chance we can get Italian opposition.
Are attackers may not be doing much but the same was true 2 years ago and that didn't stop Giggs making mince meat of Juve. He still has that ability and there are plenty of other players who can do the same
Talk of golden ages and the like is meaningless in the CL as it is a cup competion. I could easliy make a good argument that Aresnal are no where near us for getting results in Europe. If Juve are be a great winning side then why can't they actualy win in a CL final?
JimmyHill11
16-12-2004, 15:57
Sure something needs to be changed, the sooner the better, but who should Fergie pick at that stage of the season?? An in-the-hole player to create the killer passes Veron-style??
Think United should go for quality not quantity in defensive midfield, there are many players but few can be considered serious first-team choices. They must improve their ball possession otherwise they'll have less chances to shoot.
What we need is a long term replacement for Keane. Someone who can set the tempo for the team from midfield and create all over the pitch. I would say that is the thing that is missing. Maybe SAF has ling term plans for Liam Miller to take on such a role? Sell Djemba-Djemba and Kleberson - they are limited. Give Miller and Fletcher a run in the team
I agree with selling Djemba-Djemba and Kleberson. They were possible talent when they came, but right now it looks like they're no better than flops. Fletcher and Miller are still young, Fergie should give them opportunities. I'm sure Miller has the potential to become the next Roy Keane, not this season but in seasons to come.
i was impressed with the performance against fulham,we looked sharp so it was disapointing that we only managed a point,fergie has said that ronaldo will be rested for the christmas program.Ayway it is the champions league draw tommorow sir alex reckons it's fate that we will get milan.
out of all the italian teams i would prefer inter.
Some interesting gossip for you all:
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ronaldo's bust up with alan smith
All players came into the changing room at full time and smith started shouting at ronaldo about going for personal glory and in turn costing united the points away to fulham, ronaldo started giving as good as he got and both went head to head before getting pulled apart, ronaldo then started spouting stuff in portugese gathered his things and left for the coach immediatly. Then monday morning carlos queiroz reported to SAF what ronaldo had said in portugese basically translating "im above you all" and would be "more appreciated at a bigger club"
Saf told him to stay behind after training and sent home for a couple of weeks as a "cooling down period"
Some interesting gossip for you all:
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ronaldo's bust up with alan smith
All players came into the changing room at full time and smith started shouting at ronaldo about going for personal glory and in turn costing united the points away to fulham, ronaldo started giving as good as he got and both went head to head before getting pulled apart, ronaldo then started spouting stuff in portugese gathered his things and left for the coach immediatly. Then monday morning carlos queiroz reported to SAF what ronaldo had said in portugese basically translating "im above you all" and would be "more appreciated at a bigger club"
Saf told him to stay behind after training and sent home for a couple of weeks as a "cooling down period"
No fight :(
I would have loved to see that one trick pony diver hooked right in the face.
Some interesting gossip for you all:
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ronaldo's bust up with alan smith
All players came into the changing room at full time and smith started shouting at ronaldo about going for personal glory and in turn costing united the points away to fulham, ronaldo started giving as good as he got and both went head to head before getting pulled apart, ronaldo then started spouting stuff in portugese gathered his things and left for the coach immediatly. Then monday morning carlos queiroz reported to SAF what ronaldo had said in portugese basically translating "im above you all" and would be "more appreciated at a bigger club"
Saf told him to stay behind after training and sent home for a couple of weeks as a "cooling down period"
i heard that some of the players had been criticising his performance,where did you hear this
Some Manc chat site, re posted on the Chelsea chat site. So can't comment on it's reliability.
Also reported in The Sun today I just noticed - however didn't include the bickering with Smith and the pretentious tantrum.
martin_cranie
16-12-2004, 23:09
lol, wouldn't we all.
still he seems to be fitting the Man Utd mould i.e. keane abusing everyone, ferguson kicking the boot at beckham. a team of individuals as ever, hell even chelsea are bonding better after a few months than man utd have after years. if you ask me the pressures getting to the 3rd best team, in what is a 2 horse race.
Where did you get that from? We need to know if that story has got any truth in it by giving us a source or if its just made up. I heard he's been given a 2-3 week rest over christmas.
"Giving him a rest", Clear cover-up story.
After being openly harangued by Gary Neville when missing a sitter against Southampton, Alan Smith was noticeably furious with his team-mate for failing to spot a simple pass at Fulham and instead fired in a speculative shot that was blocked.
Source (http://skysports.planetfootball.com/Article.asp?id=244230)
he rested him at christmas last year aswell.
"Giving him a rest", Clear cover-up story.
Source (http://skysports.planetfootball.com/Article.asp?id=244230)
nice to see that sky managed to fit i that they have a live game on saturday
Ronaldo_is_fat
17-12-2004, 10:55
Ronaldo deserved to be shout at.
I thought his one trick poney shits got away and now it's back!
JimmyHill11
17-12-2004, 11:53
his form, which has been showing signs of selfishness and glory hunting, and lack of awarness of team mates do deserve critism. But on the other hand it is hardly surprising that he hasn't been able to keep up his from from 2nd half of last season and Euro 2004. He played for Portugal in 2 tornaments in the summer so he will be knackered and SAF wanted to give him a rest at start of season but instead threw him straight into the team
Ronaldo has been selfish in recent games. I watched him against Southampton, he always shoots from tight angles when any player in the right frame of mind would send in a cross. Sending in low crosses too often as well in an attempt to score. Fergie should play Fletch instead of Ronaldo for a couple more games, Ronaldo gets far too many chances.
adams9802
17-12-2004, 21:23
Well hoew about this some United Fans aren't as myopic as I thought.
http://manchesterunited.rivals.net/default.asp?sid=891&p=2&stid=8368089 :D
nice to see some of them acknowledging that they're a team in decline :D
Papa Lazarou
17-12-2004, 21:45
get out of our thread!!!
this is for Man U fans!!! and we arent in decline we are gettin a second wind and we are gonna dominate the premiership once again for many seasons to come
adams9802
17-12-2004, 21:53
How many times does this have to be said. We're not in decline!
For something or someone to be in 'Decline' means that that person or thing is no longer at the top of their ability or performance AND are spiralling downwards turning into the complete opposite. Note the key word and.
I think its fair to say that we're not directly in decline. Our team is going through a period where we're slowly changing the core of the team and as such it will take time for the new younger players to hit their peaks.
I still think we're capable of winning the premiership (although its gonna be difficult), and at least the FA Cup. I've just lost my optimism for the Champions League this season as we've drawn AC Milan in the next round. So, you can't say I'm an optimist cos I'm not. In fact, I'm very much a realist (if thats a word).
1 title in 4 years to me represents a decline, espcially when you consider what kind of teams have been beating you quite handily, ie pompey!?!?, Bolton!?
PS Realist is a word...
;)
adams9802
17-12-2004, 21:57
Well, I don't call finishing in the top 3 or higher in the last 3 seasons as a decline.
I do considering that the top 3-4 are generally playing in their own mini leauge. Its like they've become relegation canidates for midtable...lJust look at the Pool.
Papa Lazarou
17-12-2004, 21:57
1 title in 4 years. yeah and gettin 8 out of 11 premier league title, the treble, and the F.A cup last year means we are in decline
adams9802
17-12-2004, 22:01
1 title in 4 years. yeah and gettin 8 out of 11 premier league title, the treble, and the F.A cup last year means we are in decline
hmmm I said decline, you speak of past glories and when you were at your peak, comon the treble can't keep you warm at night for too much longer...that was nearly 6 years ago.... that aside I don't wanna rehash much travelled arguments anymore...we can agree to disagree.
7RONALDO7
17-12-2004, 22:05
hmmm I said decline, you speak of past glories and when you were at your peak, comon the treble can't keep you warm at night for too much longer...that was nearly 6 years ago.... that aside I don't wanna rehash much travelled argumen