Manchester United

[AgentZero]

really against del peiro coming here..hes too old...and even regardles of age his style will deifnately not sui epl or utds

[nikos24]

Del Piero claims Red Devils snub



Intresting, i'd love him here

Trust me, you'd love him only for a year. 2 tops.

If United are really into a striker, and have good links with French clubs, try signing Elmander. Midfielder = Ribery. ;).

[Zoolander]

Have you got any info on Piqionne ? I keep hearing stuff about him!

[AgentZero]

Well then Cristiano has been offered a new pay package and contract extension..good to see!..cease all this flirtations with spain...F*ck off Barca!

[Zoolander]

And Real! Fucking vultures!

[nikos24]

Have you got any info on Piqionne ? I keep hearing stuff about him!

Frederic Piquionne from Saint Etienne, he is a decent striker and rose to stardom only this season with the Saints. I believe it is because of the system, he fits right in there, unlike in Rennes. A tall physically built player and regular goalscorer (assists more than he scores though). If I could compare him to a player, I'd say Adebayor. If he goes to United, that'll be nice to see. But question is, will he even fit at United?

[Zoolander]

Nah, he's not going to United. Heard Lyon were in for him but Saint Etienne wouldn't let him leave. Saint Etienne want to swap him for Darren Bent.

[nikos24]

Nah, he's not going to United. Heard Lyon were in for him but Saint Etienne wouldn't let him leave. Saint Etienne want to swap him for Darren Bent.

Weird of Charlton to even consider that move. I think Bent is Charlton's most valuable player...

Yes, ASSE (:)) won't let Piquionne leave especially to Lyon. We got Baros at the end, so we aren't after him anymore.

Manchester will play Lille in the Champions League. In the leg in France, watch out for Keita. Deadly mofo.

[AgentZero]

i cant beleive you cant talk so high of a player from les verts!...que catastrophe

[nikos24]

i cant beleive you cant talk so high of a player from les verts!...que catastrophe

Rivalry is definitely there, but I don't/never hate them. Besides, he or his team will never get anywhere near us. Actually, I'm feeling sorry for them. :tongue:

[AgentZero]

cant say the same the other way..i know a few lesVerts supporters and they clinging oh-so tightly to the 80's memories..

[nikos24]

Let them clinge on that, but eventually they will wake up to reality and the present. ;)

Anyway let's stay on topic..

Is Larsson available for CL play with United?

[Top Gun]

Does anybody know what channel (if any) the Man Utd vs Portsmouth match is on?

[Zoolander]

Let them clinge on that, but eventually they will wake up to reality and the present. ;)

Anyway let's stay on topic..

Is Larsson available for CL play with United?

Yes.

[Hunter]

Does anybody know what channel (if any) the Man Utd vs Portsmouth match is on?

Probably BBC with it being the FA Cup.

Also from what I've been told, Bayern have accepted a £20m bid for Hargreaves from United however they want £17m up front which could be an issue. What stupid fucking cunts, both of us are.

[Zoolander]

What?? SAF must really want him!

[calculus]

Probably BBC with it being the FA Cup.

Also from what I've been told, Bayern have accepted a £20m bid for Hargreaves from United however they want £17m up front which could be an issue. What stupid fucking cunts, both of us are.

If United pay £20m for Hargreaves I think I may be physically sick!

[Zoolander]

I hope we throw in Fletcher. For the purpose of goodwill!

[nikos24]

Is 20m actually a lot for United? How much does your club have in transfer budgeting?

[calculus]

Is 20m actually a lot for United? How much does your club have in transfer budgeting?

25m

[nath_scfc]

I'm expecting Lee Martin to be with us by Saturday on loan. Heard this from various reliable people, and the local 'paper. Any info? On paper, looks ideal.

[Hunter]

25m

Probably not even that.

I'm expecting Lee Martin to be with us by Saturday on loan. Heard this from various reliable people, and the local 'paper. Any info? On paper, looks ideal.

Yeah, I've heard the same, seems quite likely.

[Top Gun]

Just looked and the game against Portsmouth is on Saturday on BBC1. Should be a win really but you never know.

[AgentZero]

4/5ths gone on a player who've played once opr twice this season.....why!?

[Top Gun]

I'm expecting Lee Martin to be with us by Saturday on loan. Heard this from various reliable people, and the local 'paper. Any info? On paper, looks ideal.

Just seen a picture of Lee Martin and I have to say that at first I thought it was Peter Crouch, he has got that wierd face. I expect it will be made a permanant deal in the summer if you want him as I don't think he will make it for us.

[AgentZero]

dont knock crouchy..his partner is gorgeous.

[Top Gun]

True but would she be with him if he didn't have the money or fame, I doubt it.

[mufcsean]

Thought there was going to be news on Hargreaves today

[Zoolander]

Thought there was going to be news on Hargreaves today

Yes, he's signed a contract extension to do 4 more seasons of Ugly Betty.

[mufcsean]

:laugh:

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

News just in about Hargreaves:

He still isn't worth 20 million pounds.

[vanNistelrooy]

...just like the Liverpool squad ;)

Only joking, I'm in agreement. Wasting £20m on a player we don't need and isn't worth it is just stupid.

[Top Gun]

I can't believe that Fergie hasn't realised that Hargreaves is not worth £20 million, maybe he is going a bit senile in his old age.

[patrick hurley]

Fergie knows what he is doing dont knock him he is a legend.
Utd need a hargreaves to break up midfield,its not that he isnt worth €20 million its just that the transfer market has gone unrealistic cos there is so much money around.
I think hargreaves is the key to this utd team overtaking chelski and winning in europe again.
Everyone said carrick wasnt worth €18 million but he has been playing very well,fergie knows what he is buying + he can change a player just look at ronaldo this season

[CaptainCabinet]

You're going out the cup!
You're going out the cup!
Etc etc.





Cor, If only I actually believed that.

[Guillermo]

Utd need a hargreaves to break up midfield,its not that he isnt worth €20 million its just that the transfer market has gone unrealistic cos there is so much money around.

Since when did United start working in Euros? :erm:

And your statement isn't entirely true, it's just English players who are being sold for silly money these days. We can get a foreigner with more ability than Hargreaves for a quarter of the price - the main reason why United fans are unhappy over this possible transfer.

Another thing getting on my wick, it's continually being stated that this is Hargreaves' "dream move", yet he was a childhood Liverpool supporter. :mellow:

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

Since when did United start working in Euros? :erm:

And your statement isn't entirely true, it's just English players who are being sold for silly money these days. We can get a foreigner with more ability than Hargreaves for a quarter of the price - the main reason why United fans are unhappy over this possible transfer.

Another thing getting on my wick, it's continually being stated that this is Hargreaves' "dream move", yet he was a childhood Liverpool supporter. :mellow:

Tempting the dark side can be, know this Solskjaer does.

[nikos24]

25m

:unsure:, I'm talking about Manchester's.

[calculus]

:unsure:, I'm talking about Manchester's.

So was I! Every transfer window they have £25m if SAF wants to spend it on 1 player that is upto him isnt it;)

[nikos24]

So was I! Every transfer window they have £25m if SAF wants to spend it on 1 player that is upto him isnt it;)

I wanted to make since you had an Arsenal avatar and that you weren't actually talking about your club. :tongue:

If it does go through, 5m will be left, you can get almost no-one. Certainly not an Englishman. It's best to look after a foreigner who is actually better and is cheaper.

[calculus]

I wanted to make since you had an Arsenal avatar and that you weren't actually talking about your club. :tongue:

If it does go through, 5m will be left, you can get almost no-one. Certainly not an Englishman. It's best to look after a foreigner who is actually better and is cheaper.

I think B. Munich are taking the p*ss out of Man Utd really and trying to see how much they can get for a player on the way back from injury who wants to leave for United! I mean first it was 10-12 then 14 then 17 now its 20m which is ridiculous and I unlike some think United can win the title without the help of Hargreaves!

[Hunter]

So was I! Every transfer window they have £25m if SAF wants to spend it on 1 player that is upto him isnt it;)

I wish.

[calculus]

I wish.

Well thats what I heard but they said if he needed more money then he would have to sit down with the Glazers and so how they could go about getting the players he wanted in!

[Top Gun]

That is what the newspapers said so I doubt that it is true, I think that there is no set amount of money it just changes for what sort of players he wants.

[Top Gun]

http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid=%7BB4CEE8F A%2D9A47%2D47BC%2DB069%2D3F7A2 F35DB70%7D&newsid=398054

Apparently we are now interested in the Argentinian midfielder Aldo Duscher who is on a free in the summer, he would be a great signing if we got him but Arsenal are interested aswell.

[Viperized]

According to the sun we are in for Aldo Duscher as well.

[Top Gun]

Yeah it says in the artical, it would be an amazing coup for either team if they got him on a free as he is a very good player.

[Miggy]

I really don't rate him. Fouls far too many times, although that is in the Spanish league which to be honest wouldn't be hard as players go down for nothing over here. Who knows how he will adapt, but I must say I'm surprised such big english clubs are interested.

[mufcsean]

Yeah he does seem to be quite the dirty bastard but a good player non the less, was he the one who broke beckhams metatarsel (sp) before the 2002 WC

[Guillermo]

as he is a very good player.

He's shite :huh:

[Zoolander]

He could do the Hargreaves job at a quarter of the price!

[Top Gun]

Yeah he does seem to be quite the dirty bastard but a good player non the less, was he the one who broke beckhams metatarsel (sp) before the 2002 WC

Yeah he was.

He's shite :huh:

No he isn't, he is much better than Hargreaves.

He could do Hargreaves job at a quarter of the price!

Exactly.

[Guillermo]

I prefer to get no-one than one of those two. Duscher is no way near good enough to play for us.

[Top Gun]

Ok but what I am saying is that if Ferguson wants someone who can do a job like Hargreaves and get them on a free it would be worth it even if they didn't play much.

[vanNistelrooy]

Score predictions?

2-1 or 3-1 for me.

[Stella Artois]

I'd say 2-0 myself.

[vanNistelrooy]

Can't see us not conceeding to be honest. Rumours have it that Ronaldo and Rooney might not be playing. Meaning we'll probably rely on "1 in 10 Louis Saha".

[Stella Artois]

Well you battered them in the league and I don't really see where their goals will come from.

I might watch the game as I won't have to endure Ronaldo's theatrics.

[Top Gun]

The only team news I have heard is that Heinze and Kuszckak will start, I haven't heard anything about Rooney and Ronaldo and I think that it would be stupid if Fergie dropped them both. What is up with Alan Smith at the moment? If he isn't injured I would of thought this is a game he should be playing in.

[Joel]

Can't see us not conceeding to be honest. Rumours have it that Ronaldo and Rooney might not be playing. Meaning we'll probably rely on "1 in 10 Louis Saha".

If Saha is "1 in 10", what the hell is Wayne Rooney?

[Stella Artois]

An overrated ugly wanker?

[Joel]

Got to get fat in there somewhere.

[Top Gun]

Well if he is fat then it must be embarassing for your thin players who are crap compared to him.

[Stella Artois]

I would assume you're talking to Joel as we've beaten you twice already this season.

"Crap compared to him"? He's scored against 5 teams this year...hardly the form of a world class super-duper star, is it?

[Top Gun]

Yeah I was talking to Joel as I agree with you that he is overatted and ugly but when people call him fat it is ridiculous. The isn't an inch of fat on him he is pure muscle although it isn't very defined.

[Joel]

Well if he is fat then it must be embarassing for your thin players who are crap compared to him.

Is it embarrassing for all your thin players who are crap compared to him too?

[Top Gun]

Not really since we have players better than much him whereas Chelsea don't.

[Joel]

Not really since we have players better than much him whereas Chelsea don't.

:laugh:

If you say so.

[Top Gun]

Name a player that you think is better than Rooney apart from John Terry who I agree is better.

[Rambo]

http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid=%7BB4CEE8F A%2D9A47%2D47BC%2DB069%2D3F7A2 F35DB70%7D&newsid=398054


Mavuba is the one we sould be going for, not shite players him.

[Joel]

Name a player that you think is better than Rooney apart from John Terry who I agree is better.

Terry, Essien, Robben and Joe Cole.

If this is how Drogba really is, I would say him as well, but I think it may be just good form.

[Top Gun]

There is no way any of those four apart from Terry are consistantly as good as Rooney has been since he has played for United, Robben is ridiculously incosistant, Joe Cole hasn't played enough and Essien has impressed me but not enough yet.

[Stella Artois]

Is this the same Rooney who has only managed to score against 5 Premiership teams this season?

Get real.

[Top Gun]

Well Rooney isn't about scoring goals for us, he is probably the main creator for us really and has done a good job of that as we have managed to score 53 goals in the league this season, if he was playing badly I doubt that would of happened.

[Stella Artois]

A £30m striker that doesn't need to score goals.

I've heard it all.

[Top Gun]

Well is he really a striker? I wouldn't say so. Even though saying that his goalscoring record for us is 1 goal every 3 games which is pretty good for where he plays on the pitch.

[Joel]

Robben is ridiculously incosistant

True, same could be said about Rooney though.

Joe Cole hasn't played enough

You expect him to play injured?

Essien has impressed me but not enough yet

He's a monster and I believe he can be a world class player.

By the way, I was not knocking Rooney at all, I just said that he is fat. Maybe I should not have used the term fat (because he is not Ronaldo or Lampard level). Chubby, or a bit overweight may have been better. I don't think it is all muscle.

[Stella Artois]

Well he plays up-front in a 4-4-2 so I'd say yes.

He's scored less than Robin Van Persie (who you could argue isn't an out-an-out striker) who cost 15x less than him. That's laughable.

[Top Gun]

True, same could be said about Rooney though.

Maybe but he is not as incosistant as Robben.

You expect him to play injured?

No but because he is injured I haven't seen enough therefore I can't agree he is better than Rooney.

He's a monster and I believe he can be a world class player.

He could be but not at the moment.

By the way, I was not knocking Rooney at all, I just said that he is fat. Maybe I should not have used the term fat (because he is not Ronaldo or Lampard level). Chubby, or a bit overweight may have been better. I don't think it is all muscle.

Maybe a couple of years ago he was a bit chubby but not any more he has turned it into muscle.

.

[Top Gun]

Well he plays up-front in a 4-4-2 so I'd say yes.

He's scored less than Robin Van Persie (who you could argue isn't an out-an-out striker) who cost 15x less than him. That's laughable.

When you look at our formation it is rarely a 4-4-2 any more,

---------------Larsson-----------------
--------------------------------Ronaldo
Giggs----------------Rooney-----------
---------Scholes-----------------------

That is more the sort of thing we play with Rooney playing deep.

[Zoolander]

Fatty, fatty toad boy!

[Rambo]

When you look at our formation it is rarely a 4-4-2 any more,

---------------Larsson-----------------
--------------------------------Ronaldo
Giggs----------------Rooney-----------
---------Scholes-----------------------

That is more the sort of thing we play with Rooney playing deep.

Rooney in the centre?

He is usually on the wings when we don't play 4-4-2, like he was against Arsenal last weekend.

[Top Gun]

Giggs and Ronaldo played on the wings against Arsenal and Rooney usually just drifts around and does like to go out wide but his best work is done in the centre when he plays with Scholes.

[Stella Artois]

You pretty much played a 4-5-1 against us - especially when you scored.

Fact is for £30m he has done very, very, little.

[Zoolander]

I do wish we stopped farting about with the 5 in midfield formation (Against Benfica) Attack, attack, attack!

[Top Gun]

Maybe but he is only twenty and he could play for us for another 10 years at least and that means that it would equate to around £3 million per year, then if he helps us win a trophy like the Premiership or the Champions League during his career that will bring in enough money to easily cover his transfer price. So I am pretty happy.

[Rambo]

Since when does Rooney drift back to play as a CMF?

Shouldnt it be more like this:

---------Larsson-----------
-------Rooney--------------
Giggs-------------Ronaldo--
-----Carrick----Scholes----

[Top Gun]

Team for Portsmouth game has been realeased,

Kuszczak
Neville
Ferdinand
Vidic
Evra
Park
Scholes
Carrick
Giggs
Larsson
Solskjaer

RvN was right about no Rooney or Ronaldo, I am now slightly worried about this game.

[Zoolander]

Our stadium revenue will also haul money back. Stella's just jealous because Arsenal aren't the biggest team in London.

Penalty?

[Top Gun]

Pedro Mendes just got some payback. It was in.

[Stella Artois]

Our stadium revenue will also haul money back. Stella's just jealous because Arsenal aren't the biggest team in London.

You say that, but then again we're a better team than you...:)

Didn't look over the line from some angles, did from others.

[Top Gun]

God, I wish that Ronaldo was up against Glen Johnson today he would rip him to shreds.

[Stella Artois]

Just like he did to Eboue? :|

[Top Gun]

Well Eboue is about 10 times better than Glen Johnson who is pretty damn overated.

[Joel]

When have you heard anyone rant and rave over Glen Johnson?

[Top Gun]

Never but the fact that Chelsea bought him must mean that they see something in him.

[Cookie]

stupid ref

[mufcsean]

Shouldnt have been a penalty but should of been a goal, but i would say that, i hope Gary Neville scores the first goal

[vanNistelrooy]

You say that, but then again we're a better team than you...:)
The league table backs that up doesn't it? :tongue:

Once again we fail to turn up in a cup game this season! Can anyone name one where we played as good as we have done in the league?

Giggs has been are worst player. So much possesion but does fuck all with it.

[Top Gun]

The league table backs that up doesn't it? :tongue:

Once again we fail to turn up in a cup game this season! Can anyone name one where we played as good as we have done in the league?

Giggs has been are worst player. So much possesion but does fuck all with it.

Maybe he hasn't done much with the ball but his corners have created the best 2 chances of the game.

[vanNistelrooy]

True, but there's been situations where we should have scored from open play only for Giggs to fuck it up. Passing behind Larsson was a golden opportunity wasted.

[Top Gun]

I think that was due to some good defending from Sol Campbell which meant that is the only place he could actually play the ball but I agree if that was someone with more pace they wouldn't of had to pass.

[vanNistelrooy]

Giggs was quality for the first few games this season, but let's be honest, he is no longer consistent enough to warrant a starting place for United anymore!

As desperate as it may seem, get Rooney on and let's get this game wrapped up before Pompski pinch a sneaky goal and switch to a 10-0-Mike Riley formation.

[Top Gun]

What the fuck is wrong with the linesmen today?

[mufcsean]

Poor decision

[vanNistelrooy]

If Giggs had fucked that up I would have killed him.

Another team Rooney has scored against ;)

[vanNistelrooy]

I'd pay £30m to see goals like that! :shocking:

[Top Gun]

It looks like Eric Cantona is back on the pitch beautiful second goal.

[PEM]

great goaL!

[Top Gun]

Nearly had a hat trick after leaving Sol Campbell for dead, he totally changed the game when he came on. Should really have been 4-1 but I am pretty satisfied with the result after some great defending from Portsmouth.

[Rambo]

70 minute team? I think not.

We always seem to concede late on :realmad:

[Freestyle27]

Didnt think Vidic's header was over the line like, despite the protests from Motson and Lorro. The overhead camera seemed to show that it wasnt over, unlike the shite BBC graphics.

However, lovely goal from Rooney, against a resillient Pompey defence.

[g33k]

It looks like Eric Cantona is back on the pitch beautiful second goal.

Totally agree with you there.

[Badgerman]

Hmmm, this game really could have gone our way.

If the O'Neil penalty was given, which was quite possible, or if Linvoy was a tad more lucky then we could have snatched it.

It was a shame that we didn't start with Benjani (or even Douala, he looked good)as he would have given us a better outlet.

Overall it was a much more impressive display from us than in previous attempts.

I don't expect us to be taking results away from Old Trafford or Stamford Bridge (unlike at the Emirates or Anfield), maybe in a few years time, but as long as we're giving good accounts of ouselves then I'm happy.

We can't exactly beat a team who buy players from Asia just to appeal to Asian fans. When they're pissing money away like that you know football is in a complete fucking state.

Oh well, it was nice to spoil the party. A wee bit of payback for the INEVITABLE lack of post-match analysis.

[PEM]

rooney is back on goals!

[GG1]

Great to see some Rooney magic at last, we haven't seen much since that hattrick at Bolton. Giggs and Evra also had fantastic performances, but the rest were quiet. Larsson's goal was such a great moment, I was leaping around the room only to hear Motty say it had been disallowed. People always blab on about "lucky Man U" and how all the decisions go our way, but as today proved - that's far from the case.

It would be so good to see United win the first FA Cup Final at the new Wembley, so come on lads, lets go all the way!

Emphasis must quickly turn back to the league now, we don't want to do a Sunderland against Watford on wednesday

[mufcsean]

What a goal, that is all

[vanNistelrooy]

Once again we perform shit in a cup game.

[Top Gun]

True but maybe we are saving our best cup performances for the latter stages of the cups. Also I don't think it was a terrible performance it was mainly down to Portsmouth playing well, also there was no Rooney or Ronaldo for most of the match.

[vanNistelrooy]

Still, we shouldn't rely on two players to be able to lift us for a home win against a Pompski team that hadn't won away for like 10 games?

[Top Gun]

True but Portsmouth had set out from the start to try and take a draw from the game and they played very well, we also had two goals which didn't count which should of and if they had both counted the match would of been quite comfortable.

[vanNistelrooy]

We should be good enough to have the game sewn up earlier than we did, even with decent goals being chalked off.

[Top Gun]

Well I think that if those two goals had counted which in most other games they would of done then it would of been a extremely comfortable and Rooney probably wouldn't of come on.

[vanNistelrooy]

Even with those goals, we looked far from convincing. Giggs had loads of possesion but fucked it up almost all the time. As good as Evra is at attacking and last ditch tackles, the latter doesn't help when he's still in the opponents half when they're attacking.

Giggs just looks jaded, and shouldn't really be starting. I say try Heinze at left back and Evra at left wing.

[Top Gun]

I like that idea as Evra has looked very good when going forward but is poor when defending and Heinze (if he keeps fit) is an extremely good at defending.

[Badgerman]

True but Portsmouth had set out from the start to try and take a draw from the game and they played very well, we also had two goals which didn't count which should of and if they had both counted the match would of been quite comfortable.


And we could have had a penalty and comfortably won as well.

It's all well and good prophecising what might have been but the fact of the matter is that we defended you out of the game, kept you quiet (although yous playing Park helped us there) and were unlucky not to come away with a replay.

Unfortunately we decided not to mark Rooney when he came on and we lacked a decent outlet upfront to run at the Man Utd defence.

Cole was a bit too geriatric when he had that chance at 0:0.

Also if Linvoy scored with his header then we could be sitting here right now in the next round.

But yeah, I didn't really invest much into this. It was just fun spoiling the party and having the commentators repeat "Man utd no win? >:[" over and over.

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

When will managers learn that the only way to beat United is to have a fuckin go at them! The teams that have faired well against them this season are the ones who have actually gone at them! Half the matches United win thesedays they win before they step out on the pitch.

[calculus]

When will managers learn that the only way to beat United is to have a fuckin go at them! The teams that have faired well against them this season are the ones who have actually gone at them! Half the matches United win thesedays they win before they step out on the pitch.

Easier said than done!

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

Easier said than done!

Wayst Haym are shit. I mean they are diabolical but for one night they went out with a bit of belief they played Football and they beat United. I don't doubt it has to be something for these lower sides to beat United but it is when they stop trying that it pisses me off.

[Badgerman]

When will managers learn that the only way to beat United is to have a fuckin go at them! The teams that have faired well against them this season are the ones who have actually gone at them! Half the matches United win thesedays they win before they step out on the pitch.


Yes, how stupid of us to not play our strongest team and, instead, go for a combination of Cole with Kanu or Benjani upfront?

Oh I've just remembered. Our entire squad costs a fraction of Man utd's.

Our whole squad costs £24 mil.

When we're losing, we can't bring on someone worth £30 mil.

[Badgerman]

Wayst Haym are shit. I mean they are diabolical but for one night they went out with a bit of belief they played Football and they beat United. I don't doubt it has to be something for these lower sides to beat United but it is when they stop trying that it pisses me off.

They were at home and had the new manager effect.

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

They were at home and had the new manager effect.

Or in other words they actually had to go out and prove themselves and felt like instead of rolling over they would actually show their new manager they were Footballers who gave a shit about their future?

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

Yes, how stupid of us to not play our strongest team and, instead, go for a combination of Cole with Kanu or Benjani upfront?

Oh I've just remembered. Our entire squad costs a fraction of Man utd's.

Our whole squad costs £24 mil.

When we're losing, we can't bring on someone worth £30 mil.

It was a cup game ffs. Why not have a bit of ass and go for it. You are never going to worry a side like United by sitting back for 75 minutes. Portsmouth got exactly what they warranted from the game, Fuck all!

[Top Gun]

It was a cup game ffs. Why not have a bit of ass and go for it. You are never going to worry a side like United by sitting back for 75 minutes. Portsmouth got exactly what they warranted from the game, Fuck all!

I have got to agree with you here, Portsmouth didn't deserve anything out of this game as they put nothing into it on the attacking front. It was a cup game so there is no difference whether you go out 1-0 or 5-0 either way you are out so you might aswell go for it.

[Badgerman]

It was a cup game ffs. Why not have a bit of ass and go for it. You are never going to worry a side like United by sitting back for 75 minutes. Portsmouth got exactly what they warranted from the game, Fuck all!


I think you really are struggling to comprehend football in the real world.

Portsmouth did NOT deserve fuck all from the game. Sol Campbell was man of the match.

David James, Sol Campbell, Linvoy Primus, Lauren, Gary O'Neil, Matty Taylor, Pedro Mendes and Niko Kranjcar all had amazing games, so stop spouting shit.

I really struggle to see how you are not grasping this, our best cance at getting anything from the tie was to stop the inevitable onslaught from United and to try and take our chances when we get them.

We fielded the best team possible to try and do this. We are not a top 4 club (perhaps this is a superiority complex thing), we do not go to Old Trafford and Stamford Bridge looking to win. We go to Anfield and the Emirates looking for points because we are capable of doing it.

Just beause you can beat United 5:0 at Old Trafford on PES doesn't mean that it's actualy possible. We do not have the strikers, simply put.

THAR

[Badgerman]

Or in other words they actually had to go out and prove themselves and felt like instead of rolling over they would actually show their new manager they were Footballers who gave a shit about their future?


The fuck is wrong with you?

If you are implying what I think you are implying then you are clearly suffering from a mentally debilitating disease.

Sol Campbell rolled over yesterday, yep he was fucking shit.

"Y DO TEAM NOT TRY AND WIN VS A TEAM WITH SO MUCH FINANCIAL CLOUT THAT THE CAN BUY PLAYERS JUST TO APPEAL TO ASIA???


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[Badgerman]

I have got to agree with you here, Portsmouth didn't deserve anything out of this game as they put nothing into it on the attacking front. It was a cup game so there is no difference whether you go out 1-0 or 5-0 either way you are out so you might aswell go for it.

I wouldn't say we put nothing into it attacking wise.

We could have had a penalty early on.

We had some opportunities which we could have done better from if Benjani was on.

Linvoy was a foot away from putting us infront.

And we actually scored, which itself ruined your little theory.

[Badgerman]

It was a cup game so there is no difference whether you go out 1-0 or 5-0 either way you are out so you might aswell go for it.


That's not quite true.

Liverpool were lambasted for losing 6:3, same goes for Newcastle who lost 5:1 to Birmingham.

Morale and confidence is at stake nomatter what, not to mention the repercussions brought about if the press so choose to run with it.

[Badgerman]

Good lord.

Words about football trying to educate people who know little is UNGH.

[Hansel]

5 posts in a row. :huh:

[Badgerman]

In 9 minutes no less.

Posting RAWR

F5 F5 F5

[mufcsean]

Thats a bookin if ive ever seen one

[Badgerman]

Yes, because I have raised completely nonsensical points dispersed just to make it difficult as to what point I am countering.

Oh wai...

I guess I don't fill the (your) requirements of being a Man Utd fan.

:'(

If anything your post has contributed nothing and is a waste. Surely if you've got nothing of note to contribute, to a discussion that was actually relevant to the thread, then you're more in the wrong than I am.

Also i want to say that I'm pretty sure my keyboard is playing up. The space bar feels a little bit woe.

[Stella Artois]

The league table backs that up doesn't it? :tongue:

No the two games in which we beat you does. :)

Seems Hargreaves is on the way...

£20m :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[vanNistelrooy]

No the two games in which we beat you does. :)

Seems Hargreaves is on the way...

£20m :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
You should sign him, maybe he'll do a decent job in midfield for you and actually beat Bolton.

Then again, using your theory, they're better than you anyway! :D

[vanNistelrooy]

http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=444589&CPID=8&clid=1&lid=&title=Gill:+Owen+hopes+out+the +window

[Stella Artois]

You should sign him, maybe he'll do a decent job in midfield for you and actually beat Bolton.

Then again, using your theory, they're better than you anyway! :D

Could use that theory...but they've only beaten us once this season, we've beaten you twice. ;o

Why would we want Hargreaves? He's useless.

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

Good lord.

Words about football trying to educate people who know little is UNGH.

Yeah you go and educate people about poor old Pompey and convince yourself you are not a money club now and that Campbell is there because he always wanted to play for Pompey.

You sat back and invited United on to you for 90 minutes, any idiot will tell you this is NOT the way to beat or get anything out of United. You handed them the initiative and they took it.

Maybe the reason Redknapp didn't attack is because he knows you can't? If that is the case I apologise that your own manager thinks you are shit.

[Badgerman]

Yeah you go and educate people about poor old Pompey and convince yourself you are not a money club now and that Campbell is there because he always wanted to play for Pompey.


We're a money club now?

Transfer Fees in Millions of Pounds


Team cost
Chelsea 239.81
Man Utd 132.56
Liverpool 90.05
Newcastle 78.4
Spurs 74.86
Arsenal 61.35
Boro 49.3
Everton 44.8
Aston Villa 43.65
West Ham 33.6
Charlton 25.25
Blackburn 25.1
Wigan 24.49
Portsmouth 24.35
Man City 23.85
Fulham 19.45
Bolton 17.25
Sheff Utd 11.43
Watford 7.35
Reading 6.26

First XI
Chelsea 151.05
Man Utd 108.16
Liverpool 56.6
Spurs 51.6
Newcastle 38.6
Arsenal 37.7
Everton 33.5
Aston Villa 26.65
West Ham 25.75
Boro 21.1
Wigan 20.79
Charlton 18.15
Man City 16.7
Bolton 15.1
Blackburn 14.8
Fulham 13.35
Portsmouth 11.2
Sheff Utd 6.15
Watford 4.9
Reading 2.31

Second XI
Chelsea 88.76
Newcastle 36.8
Liverpool 33.45
Boro 28.2
Man Utd 24.4
Arsenal 23.65
Spurs 23.26
Aston Villa 17
Portsmouth 13.15
Everton 11.3
Blackburn 10.3
West Ham 7.85
Man City 7.15
Charlton 7.1
Fulham 6.1
Sheff Utd 5.28
Reading 3.95
Wigan 3.7
Watford 2.45
Bolton 2.15


Yeah, Campbell doesn't factor into that list. Either way we have been themost efficient club money-wise this season (well, alongside Reading).



You sat back and invited United on to you for 90 minutes, any idiot will tell you this is NOT the way to beat or get anything out of United. You handed them the initiative and they took it.


Cast your mind back to Man Utd 0:1 West Ham in the FA Cup in 2001

This time Redknapp's players set out to avoid conceding the possession and space they had surrendered so meekly in earlier games. Before half-time and for a period after it, with Cole and Di Canio tied to largely defensive roles and Frédéric Kanouté little more than a token attacking force, the London side barely threatened Fabien Barthez.

http://football.guardian.co.uk/Match_Report/0,,430183,00.html


Maybe the reason Redknapp didn't attack is because he knows you can't? If that is the case I apologise that your own manager thinks you are shit.

I wonder who managed West Ham when they beat Man Utd at Old Trafford?

LOL


LOL


lollo

[vanNistelrooy]

http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=32892

[Badgerman]

http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=32892


http://www.imgred.com/http://ywwg.com/images/bigrolleyes.gif

[vanNistelrooy]

:lol:

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

All your wonderful ways of laughing aside, you might not be spending the same amount of money but you are certainly buying enough players. The poor old Pompey arguement doesn't wash anymore.

Nice stats, do they take into account the fact that Pompey were given their money by a foreigner and have spent it like it was burning a hole while United and Liverpool earned their money and deserve it through consistently being in the top league for about 40 years ? (well other than that little Denis Law blip :P )

No one said Redknapp didn't manage West Ham when they beat United, I assume seeing as you find this so relevant his plan was to bore United to death then hope their keeper would try and blag one of your centre forwards he was offside as he cooly rolled the ball past him?

Funny how when you actually did go behind you came forward and scored. Oh yes it was very fortunate but a good way to score a goal is to actually enter the opponents half, unless of course you are Xabi alonso in which case just bury it from 70 odd yards.

[Badgerman]

All your wonderful ways of laughing aside, you might not be spending the same amount of money but you are certainly buying enough players. The poor old Pompey arguement doesn't wash anymore.

Nice stats, do they take into account the fact that Pompey were given their money by a foreigner and have spent it like it was burning a hole while United and Liverpool earned their money and deserve it through consistently being in the top league for about 40 years ? (well other than that little Denis Law blip :P )

I say that it evens out. We have had fucking decades of woe. None more so than the one leading up to Milan Mandaric assuming control of the club. The Gregory years and Terry Venables buying us for £1 spring to mind.

In fact we actually went into administration before Milan bought us.

Despite the wealth we now have, we haven't exactly flaunted the cash at every opportunity.

The bigest deal was the £7.5 mil deal for Mendes, Davis and Pamarot. Other than that we splashed £4.1 mil on benjani, which was a bit too lavish.

Other than that, off the top of my head I can only really remember a few minimal fees. Andy Cole was £500k, James was about £1 mil and Lauren was a paltry £500k as well.


No one said Redknapp didn't manage West Ham when they beat United, I assume seeing as you find this so relevant his plan was to bore United to death then hope their keeper would try and blag one of your centre forwards he was offside as he cooly rolled the ball past him?

The relevance of it was that Redknapp has managed a side and has deployed tactics that has beaten Man Utd. The fact it was an FA Cup game merely heightens the relevance.

Funny how when you actually did go behind you came forward and scored. Oh yes it was very fortunate but a good way to score a goal is to actually enter the opponents half, unless of course you are Xabi alonso in which case just bury it from 70 odd yards.

When we had to go for it, the game became stretched. Rooney got his second because of this.

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

I say that it evens out. We have had fucking decades of woe. None more so than the one leading up to Milan Mandaric assuming control of the club. The Gregory years and Terry Venables buying us for £1 spring to mind.

In fact we actually went into administration before Milan bought us.

Despite the wealth we now have, we haven't exactly flaunted the cash at every opportunity.

The bigest deal was the £7.5 mil deal for Mendes, Davis and Pamarot. Other than that we splashed £4.1 mil on benjani, which was a bit too lavish.

Other than that, off the top of my head I can only really remember a few minimal fees. Andy Cole was £500k, James was about £1 mil and Lauren was a paltry £500k as well.




The relevance of it was that Redknapp has managed a side and has deployed tactics that has beaten Man Utd. The fact it was an FA Cup game merely heightens the relevance.



When we had to go for it, the game became stretched. Rooney got his second because of this.

So now to earn the money you just have to have had a shit manager and have been through a few hard times? I'm not saying you haven't suffered as a fan but does that suffering have anything to do with "earning" money from a foreigner ? I'm not so sure.

You may not have spent massively but you have practially bought a new 11 with the exception of say O'Neil,Taylor and Primus and a good few subs as well. The fact remains I think a lot of your fans would struggle to recognise your side thesedays.

So the formula to beat United is to sit on your line for 90 mins and beat them in the replay. Not for me like.

You decided to wait till you were 1-0 down (as was always going to happen when playing away from home against United) until you started trying to actually score a goal ?

I wonder why you lost.

Actually I'm not doing you justice, there was of course the "penalty incident".

[Badgerman]

So now to earn the money you just have to have had a shit manager and have been through a few hard times? I'm not saying you haven't suffered as a fan but does that suffering have anything to do with "earning" money from a foreigner ? I'm not so sure.

I'll point to Newcastle then. They've effectively "earned" money but from an Englishman. The exception here being that they have a world class stadium in place.

You may not have spent massively but you have practially bought a new 11 with the exception of say O'Neil,Taylor and Primus and a good few subs as well. The fact remains I think a lot of your fans would struggle to recognise your side thesedays.

Our starting line up in our last league game was

James
Johnson
Primus
Campbell
Traore
Lauren
Davis
Mendes
Taylor
Kanu
Cole.

All of these players have had Premiership experience before Gaydamak took over us.


So the formula to beat United is to sit on your line for 90 mins and beat them in the replay. Not for me like.

How has, jut about, every team gone to the Emirates this season? They've set up to defend and hold out for a draw. Thus far it's worked pretty fucking great.

You decided to wait till you were 1-0 down (as was always going to happen when playing away from home against United) until you started trying to actually score a goal ?

Yes, this is referred to as a change of tactics.

I wonder why you lost.


I fucking KNOW.

I mean, Portsmouth have been in the Premiership for 4 FUCKING YEARS now.

In that time we've all gotten wiser and learned a lot about ourselves. A lot of us have moved on to pastures new.

These 4 seasons should have brought with it the development. I mean, fuck it, the club was nearly relegated to Division 2 less than 10 years ago, not to mention the club actually going into administration.

But I'm going of on a tangent, the 4 years should have brought with it the laying of a foundation to which a Championship winning team could grow from. This transitional period should have lasted, say, 2 seasons I guess. I suppose you have to factor in almost getting relegated last season as something that would reduce 4 years to 6 months but I still recognise this as a decent amount of time to get together a European heavyweight of a squad.

Now, when you look at our opponents, the lowly Manchester United (I hope I spelt it right, I am quite unfamiliar with them). I've had to look them up on Wikipedia to learn of their history, but a quick gander indicates that they've won the Premiership 8 times (I must have missed this) whic accompanies their greatest achievement of winning the, allegedly, infamous "treble".

Now for the un-lear-ned- like myself, this apparently involves winning the following trophies in the same calendar year:

The Premiership,
The FA Cup,
The UEFA Champions League

Wikipedia says this happened in 1999.


Some further gandering shows that they are the most sucessful club of recent times (going back to the 60's I guess!)


Looking at their players now.

They bought Juan Sebastián Verón for £28.1 million in 2001.

They then bought Rio Ferdinand for £29.1 million in 2002.


Both of these transfers are worth more than our entire current squad.

:'(

But yes, as you said, I really do wonder how we lost this one. On paper we had everything going for us.

I guess that it's just the magic of the FA Cup

:>



Actually I'm not doing you justice, there was of course the "penalty incident".


thanks

[Badgerman]

Sorry for the delay in posting.

24 was on, as was reflected by the time I posted my post.

It was a good episode.

[martin_cranie]

Yeah you go and educate people about poor old Pompey and convince yourself you are not a money club now and that Campbell is there because he always wanted to play for Pompey.

Nice stats, do they take into account the fact that Pompey were given their money by a foreigner and have spent it like it was burning a hole while United and Liverpool earned their money and deserve it through consistently being in the top league for about 40 years ?

I'm not going to say Pompey haven't benefited from outside investment, but you're hardly in a position to judge another team on its finances. Liverpool are what, a mere £100m in debt through over-spending? You'll most likely be under foreign ownership pretty soon as well. Will you be so eager to criticise such investment when a Yank/the Sheik is buying players for you?

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

I'm not going to say Pompey haven't benefited from outside investment, but you're hardly in a position to judge another team on its finances. Liverpool are what, a mere £100m in debt through over-spending? You'll most likely be under foreign ownership pretty soon as well. Will you be so eager to criticise such investment when a Yank/the Sheik is buying players for you?

For about the 100th time. D.I.C will not be pouring money into the club for anything more than the Stadium. The new Stadium and extra revenue it will allow us to KEEP UP with United and Arsenal, no more no less. Chelski have clearly bolted in the money depratment but that is not a concern. For all these people who love to brag about how well run Arsenal are they had to go into debt to build their new Stadium just as we did and United, well they went into debt in a different manner.

[martin_cranie]

For about the 100th time. D.I.C will not be pouring money into the club for anything more than the Stadium. The new Stadium and extra revenue it will allow us to KEEP UP with United and Arsenal, no more no less. Chelski have clearly bolted in the money depratment but that is not a concern. For all these people who love to brag about how well run Arsenal are they had to go into debt to build their new Stadium just as we did and United, well they went into debt in a different manner.

How wonderfully petty of you. I've not once tried to make out that Arsenal are above outside investment. All I've done is point out the hypocrisy of your earlier statements.

If I was to mimic your defensive attitude I'd say that unlike Arsenal, you have run yourselves into debt buying players, not simply a stadium. And as I've already stated, your debts will most likely be written off by the Sheik, whereas Arsenal will be paying theirs back independently.

Anyho, this isn't the right thread for such discussions.

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

I'll point to Newcastle then. They've effectively "earned" money but from an Englishman. The exception here being that they have a world class stadium in place.



Our starting line up in our last league game was

James
Johnson
Primus
Campbell
Traore
Lauren
Davis
Mendes
Taylor
Kanu
Cole.

All of these players have had Premiership experience before Gaydamak took over us.




How has, jut about, every team gone to the Emirates this season? They've set up to defend and hold out for a draw. Thus far it's worked pretty fucking great.



Yes, this is referred to as a change of tactics.




I fucking KNOW.

I mean, Portsmouth have been in the Premiership for 4 FUCKING YEARS now.

In that time we've all gotten wiser and learned a lot about ourselves. A lot of us have moved on to pastures new.

These 4 seasons should have brought with it the development. I mean, fuck it, the club was nearly relegated to Division 2 less than 10 years ago, not to mention the club actually going into administration.

But I'm going of on a tangent, the 4 years should have brought with it the laying of a foundation to which a Championship winning team could grow from. This transitional period should have lasted, say, 2 seasons I guess. I suppose you have to factor in almost getting relegated last season as something that would reduce 4 years to 6 months but I still recognise this as a decent amount of time to get together a European heavyweight of a squad.

Now, when you look at our opponents, the lowly Manchester United (I hope I spelt it right, I am quite unfamiliar with them). I've had to look them up on Wikipedia to learn of their history, but a quick gander indicates that they've won the Premiership 8 times (I must have missed this) whic accompanies their greatest achievement of winning the, allegedly, infamous "treble".

Now for the un-lear-ned- like myself, this apparently involves winning the following trophies in the same calendar year:

The Premiership,
The FA Cup,
The UEFA Champions League

Wikipedia says this happened in 1999.


Some further gandering shows that they are the most sucessful club of recent times (going back to the 60's I guess!)


Looking at their players now.

They bought Juan Sebastián Verón for £28.1 million in 2001.

They then bought Rio Ferdinand for £29.1 million in 2002.


Both of these transfers are worth more than our entire current squad.

:'(

But yes, as you said, I really do wonder how we lost this one. On paper we had everything going for us.

I guess that it's just the magic of the FA Cup

:>






thanks

Newcastle are a total different kettle of fish together. Despite the popular belief they are all from Newcastle and were born in the Stadium they attract a lot of outsiders to their club and this is how they are able to fill their stadium week in week out. It is no coincidence that when things are not going well or a few drops of snow hit the deck their attendances drop. They also have the luxury of having no one in their city to compete with so nearly every in Newcastle grows up "lovin the Toon". Due to these massive gates and the amount of black and white striped merchandise their fans buy they are able to fund ridiculous purchases in much the same way Spurs are.

Do you really think that Pompey could fill a ground the size of WHL or SJP ?

The quip about your fans not being able to recognise the side was more to do with how much it has changed not the fact they play in the prem. This has happened because as soon as you got money you went out and spent it and you also attracted a few foreign loan signings. Not saying there is anything wrong with it but it is just a fact.

How can you say playing United and Arsenal is the same thing ? They are two totally contrasting styles of team. I have no problem with defending, but there is no point in going just to defend or as Mourinho calls it "parking the team bus".

A change of tactics :O Redknapp must be a genius. I refer to it as inviting pressure getting the inevitable goal scored past you and then panicking. I am sure Redknapp was in the dressing room at half time though saying "listen lads you have done well but they will score in the second half so when they do that's when weve got 'em right where we want em."

Nice speech but all based on the poor old Pompey mindset. You are where you are this season because you got the money to compete. Live with it. Your team have moved on, you are not in the Championship anymore and you do not play with Championship players.

Oh and going back to the 60's we are the most succesful English side so either you need to research more or Wiki is written by Sky. (or do European Cups not count for much thesedays?)

Oh and the magic of the FA Cup saw Burton and Hove (I think it was them) and some other side the year before give them a better game and show more ass than your newly bought side so again stop with the pathetic "were just a small town club". Bolton used to think how you do but then they started to believe in themselves. They managed to beat United twice in two seasons so why can't you ? I don't remember them being in the prem all that long. Fulham gave United a game in their first ever meeting in the Prem.

Anyone who goes into a cup game with a team in the same division to draw it, if they and gets beat deserved it, even if it is Manchester "fuckin" United and Alex "Bastard" Ferguson.

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

How wonderfully petty of you. I've not once tried to make out that Arsenal are above outside investment. All I've done is point out the hypocrisy of your earlier statements.

If I was to mimic your defensive attitude I'd say that unlike Arsenal, you have run yourselves into debt buying players, not simply a stadium. And as I've already stated, your debts will most likely be written off by the Sheik, whereas Arsenal will be paying theirs back independently.

Anyho, this isn't the right thread for such discussions.

Incidently I forgot you were an Arsenal fan I was just pointing out the top 4 as that is who we relate with.

There is nothing hypocritical about what I said. If Liverpool suddenly start to buy based on money given to us from D.I.C (which I very much doubt) then I too will have to accept that. So I fail to see how I am being hypocritical about something that has not even happened.

We put ourselves in managable debt to be able to keep up. You have done the same financially so now who is being hypocritical?

Am I supposed to apologise because someone wants to give us money to own our club ? How do you think Football clubs are run thesedays?

As I say if he starts whacking out the kind of fees United have for single players then I will have no choice but to accept we are doing as they and Chelski have done. As it is our record signing was made by Houllier 14 million and doesn't come close to the 30 odd millions United and Chelski have splashed out.

[Zoolander]

PM each other!

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

PM each other!

Yeah, godforbid there were any actual Football talk in the United thread. Anyone who cares to continue this knows where to find me (Liverpool Official Thread if you really need or want to know)

[Badgerman]

Newcastle are a total different kettle of fish together. Despite the popular belief they are all from Newcastle and were born in the Stadium they attract a lot of outsiders to their club and this is how they are able to fill their stadium week in week out. It is no coincidence that when things are not going well or a few drops of snow hit the deck their attendances drop. They also have the luxury of having no one in their city to compete with so nearly every in Newcastle grows up "lovin the Toon". Due to these massive gates and the amount of black and white striped merchandise their fans buy they are able to fund ridiculous purchases in much the same way Spurs are.

Do you really think that Pompey could fill a ground the size of WHL or SJP ?

In fairness our catchment area is somewhat limited by the sea.

Spurs and Newcastle are also both established teams, perhaps someday we could fill a decent sized stadium.

The quip about your fans not being able to recognise the side was more to do with how much it has changed not the fact they play in the prem. This has happened because as soon as you got money you went out and spent it and you also attracted a few foreign loan signings. Not saying there is anything wrong with it but it is just a fact.

The side was being chopped and changed long before Redknapp.

How can you say playing United and Arsenal is the same thing ? They are two totally contrasting styles of team. I have no problem with defending, but there is no point in going just to defend or as Mourinho calls it "parking the team bus".

Well, how can you compare what Mourinho said to Arsenal? It's how the lesser teams play against the bigger teams.

A change of tactics :O Redknapp must be a genius. I refer to it as inviting pressure getting the inevitable goal scored past you and then panicking. I am sure Redknapp was in the dressing room at half time though saying "listen lads you have done well but they will score in the second half so when they do that's when weve got 'em right where we want em."

I don't know how many hours of FM you've racked up, but that doesn't really translate into the real world. We haven't won at Old Trafford in years, I'm sure Redknapp was well aware of this. We got beat there 3:0 a few months back.

I fully expect that Redknapp was anticipating defeat, so he did his best to combat it. He knew that if we held firm then there'd always be the chance of knicking a goal. Going gung-ho from the outset would have resulted in a similar result as before.

The tactics worked damn well until Rooney came on.

Nice speech but all based on the poor old Pompey mindset. You are where you are this season because you got the money to compete. Live with it. Your team have moved on, you are not in the Championship anymore and you do not play with Championship players.

I question whether or not we had amassed the money over our tenure in the Premiership. The exact figure that Gaydamak has put into the club is unknown. Of course I'm lolling here a bit, but not much.

Perhaps we don't have Championship players anymore because that's the natural evolution of clubs that go on to establish themselves in the Premiership.



Oh and going back to the 60's we are the most succesful English side so either you need to research more or Wiki is written by Sky. (or do European Cups not count for much thesedays?)

http://www.imgred.com/http://www.seawear.com/images/fish-hooks/shark-hook~102.jpg

http://www.imgred.com/http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/~cs480/HorizontalLine.jpg

http://www.imgred.com/http://smu.edu/alec/pics/ampersand.jpg

http://www.imgred.com/http://www.hometips.com/images/sunset/kitch_sinkmain.jpger

The clue was that I used an exclamation mark. I rarely use this except for really sarcy times.



Oh and the magic of the FA Cup saw Burton and Hove (I think it was them) and some other side the year before give them a better game and show more ass than your newly bought side so again stop with the pathetic "were just a small town club".

I think you've hit the nail on the head here. Because, I really cannot think of a reason as to why Portsmouth wouldn't be as up for a game against Manchester United than, say, Burton and Hove [sic] (t'was Burton Albion) or "some other side the year before".

Looking back, these two teams (the other being Exeter) were made up of part-timers who will, more likely than not, never make it into the Premier League. Both teams were on one-off cup runs and were broadcast when the draw pitted them with Man Utd.

I don't remember any cameras at Pompey's training ground showing Kanu jumping on a table.

Perhaps, maybe, this might have something, a very small something, to do with the fact that Portsmouth had played Man Utd mere weeks earlier?

Also, perhaps Burton and Exeter's games against Man Utd were such a rare occurance that they were heightened to insane levels of media hype and buzz.

Both of these teams had absolutely nothing to lose. If they lost 10:0 it wouldn't have been an embarassment, it was expected. If Portsmouth were to lose 4:0 or so the effect on morale could have been massive. Coming away with an unlucky 2:1 defeat is something to raise spirits if anything.


Bolton used to think how you do but then they started to believe in themselves. They managed to beat United twice in two seasons so why can't you ? I don't remember them being in the prem all that long. Fulham gave United a game in their first ever meeting in the Prem.

I remember that movie about Bolton. I think it was Mighty Ducks 8: Ducks on Land or something similar. They had tried for years to beat the best team in the league, but with a little help from a plucky American coach, the disabled kid was able to get the winning goal right on the buzzer.

Also

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/3947403.stm

Portsmouth 2:0 Manchester United, 2004/2005 season

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/3615835.stm

Portsmouth 1:0 Manchester United, 2003/2004 season


Looks like we have beaten United twice in 2 seasons. Someone needs to run their facts before going to press

:>


Anyone who goes into a cup game with a team in the same division to draw it, if they and gets beat deserved it, even if it is Manchester "fuckin" United and Alex "Bastard" Ferguson.

I wouldn't say that a majority of our players deserved to be on the losing side, oh well.

[Badgerman]

PM each other!

No.

This topic is pretty dire, plus I'm liking my words.

My words are intended for a mass audience.

My posts thus far are of higher quality than some in this thread. Picking one at random...

rooney is back on goals!

Yes, I think this post might be consigned to the nothingness of forever.

But my words, (L)

[Zoolander]

I am rarely impressed but take a bow son!

[Guillermo]

Reading...d'oh.

[mufcsean]

We should beat these, Chelsea get an easy tie as per usual

[Stella Artois]

And you've had three ties at home!

[g33k]

Yeah you fucking lucky cunts.

[Dr. Bob Kelso]

*steps over an exhausted Messiah who has just had Badgers salty pompey load slathered all across his face*

Again wonderful long post that didn't actually make any real points.

No one said you should be getting higher gates simply that you wont. You brought Newcastle in and I showed how in fact they were not a relevant comparisson, you then went on to prove my point. Well done there.

I would be interested to know if Pompey ever saw such wholesale changes pre Mandaric or Gaydamack. I would hazard a guess at not.

Did Mourinho not say that Spurs parked the Bus?

What has FM got to do with anything ? Give over lad.

The best part of this whole thing is that you think that a team need media coverage to play well. Brilliant. Get the cameras over to Pompey and they will win all games.

A bigger clue would have been to use a smilie or some kind of brackets, I didn't realise I was being tested. Given that I don't agree with your post in general I found it a little hard to distinguish from the rest.

As for the last part it is not relevant at all as we are talking at OLD TRAFFORD. Bolton I believe beat United 2-1 and 1-0 in back to back seasons with talent wise a side that was worse than Pompeys now. They believed they could go out and beat them and they did. Incedently their side was obviously not as valuable as yours so please stop with the "we arn't as Rich, we haven't been here as long, we are a lesser side".

If your own fans don't believe you can beat United God help the side and the Manager.

[Guillermo]

Sir Alex Ferguson has confirmed that Ben Foster will return to Old Trafford in the summer after spending a second year on loan at Watford.

Foster joined United 18 months ago from Stoke but has yet to make an appearance for the club, with Ferguson instead farming him out to Watford.

Foster has made quite an impression at Vicarage Road, recently forcing himself into the England squad, and Ferguson sees his long-term future at Old Trafford.

"Without question, Ben will come back here," said Ferguson.


Good stuff.

[Zoolander]

*steps over an exhausted Messiah who has just had Badgers salty pompey load slathered all across his face*


It tasted of Jaffa cakes!

[vanNistelrooy]

And you've had three ties at home!
We've won them all too ;)

[Badgerman]

*steps over an exhausted Messiah who has just had Badgers salty pompey load slathered all across his face*

Again wonderful long post that didn't actually make any real points.

Well yes, I am up against a brick wall of woe here. I am responding to your points and raising my own but fuck dis because it doesn't align with your beliefs so I must be wrong.

PLUS WON POINT

No one said you should be getting higher gates simply that you wont. You brought Newcastle in and I showed how in fact they were not a relevant comparisson, you then went on to prove my point. Well done there.

Your comprehension skills have pretty much befuddled me here. I would try and counter here but you've took this onto weird dimensions.

Simply put, Portsmouth has a limited catchment area, which is a prediction (I think a good one). Also we are the only Premiership side on the whole of the south coast. So who knows, when we do get a proper stadium perhaps we will be able to fill it. Just hypothesising right now thoughs.

I would be interested to know if Pompey ever saw such wholesale changes pre Mandaric or Gaydamack. I would hazard a guess at not.

This season has brought with it many new faces, but most teams do chop and change their squads upon promotion to the Premiership. As this is our first stint in the Premiership, I don't have anything to go by in terms of rapid player turnover.

Bear in mind we had also spent 27 odd consecutive years in Division 1 before our promotion, so yeah, I wouldn't imagine any comprehensive changes happening during that time.

Did Mourinho not say that Spurs parked the Bus?

Yes

¿

What has FM got to do with anything ? Give over lad.

You seem to be in the mindset that any team can go to Man Utd and win. Possible in FM but not quite the case in real life.

The best part of this whole thing is that you think that a team need media coverage to play well. Brilliant. Get the cameras over to Pompey and they will win all games.

Ah, yes, of course. The point I had been harking all along as the key behind it all.

How did you find me out?

¿

A bigger clue would have been to use a smilie or some kind of brackets, I didn't realise I was being tested. Given that I don't agree with your post in general I found it a little hard to distinguish from the rest.

Ugh, the style not being picked up is woe.

You need to tune your fun e bones because your reception is FUCKING

WOE

As for the last part it is not relevant at all as we are talking at OLD TRAFFORD. Bolton I believe beat United 2-1 and 1-0 in back to back seasons with talent wise a side that was worse than Pompeys now. They believed they could go out and beat them and they did. Incedently their side was obviously not as valuable as yours so please stop with the "we arn't as Rich, we haven't been here as long, we are a lesser side".

I question how much that Bolton squad was in comparison to our own. Taking into account the sharp increase in the market and whatnot, not to mention the numerous coy deals Redknapp has done.

Also, ahar I said you haven't beaten Man Utd twice in consecutive seasons, then you proved me wrong, but now I have CHANGED THE RULES

http://www.imgred.com/http://www.emotioneric.com/smarmy.jpg

rack 'em

I'm getting a bit lost here, are you now implying that every side equilivant to the Bolton side that beat Man Utd (be it money or quality) should go to Old Traford and win?


If your own fans don't believe you can beat United God help the side and the Manager.

I'm sorry but I'm not from the land of gum drops where everything is possible (see: Ducktales 8). Compared to other Pompey fans I am most definitely one of the more pessimistic. Although I prefer to think of myself as more of a realist. We were going into a game with the best team in the world who happened to be in top form. We had very little chance of winning the game, therefore Redknapp's tactics were correct and worked until Rooney came on.

[Stella Artois]

We've won them all too ;)

Shame you're not unbeaten at home this season though, unlike us. :(

Oh the irony of a Liverpool fan saying other teams should be adventurous away from home. :rolleyes:

[Top Gun]

Papers said today that Cristiano has been banned from talking about Spanish clubs because they are interested in him. :D

I am still not 100% sure that he will stay but if SAF can get his mind set on playing for United for the rest of his career it should all be OK.

[Rambo]

I can't see it happening. Sooner or later Ronaldo will leave and go to La Liga, it's just a matter of when.

[mufcsean]

Yeah he will leave on day i just hope it aint soon

[Viperized]

I hope it is next season.

[-The Trooper-]

I hope it is next season.

I hope it's tomorrow afternoon... :ninja:

[Top Gun]

I hope it is never but if we don't win enough trophys then he will be straight out.

[Papa Lazarou]

i think that if we win the league and possibly the champs league this season then he'll stay but we need to win either of them

is anyone dissapointed that we don't seem to have signed anyone this january??

im now 99% certain we'll get hargreaves in the summer but do you think our squad is strong enough to win the league as it is?

[Top Gun]

Personally I think it is strong enough but it will be a very hard slog, we will need to keep the squad fit and Ronaldo will need to keep his amazing form up.

[mufcsean]

Yeah i agree, i think it will be hard but we have the potential to win the league, will Dong be playing for us this season

[Top Gun]

Well he has joined up with the squad as he has got his work permit, he has also played for the reserves so he can play for the first team but I can't see it happening unless we have an injury crisis.

[mufcsean]

ah chers mate

[Badgerman]

About Ronaldo, he wont leave for some time.

Ferguson is too good of a man manager to let Ronaldo's sights drift to Spain.

Plus you are now the best club in the world (form wise) and Madrid haven't won a trophy in years.

If he would have gone it would have been after the World Cup.

If he goes before the end of his contract, you'll get a stupidly high fee.

[AgentZero]

yeah i just opened the papers this morning and i see all these rumours about spain

[Zoolander]

Just trying to rock the boat. If Ronaldo does go it will be for a new world record fee.

[AgentZero]

i hate it how spanish clubs can just name drop at press conferences and then it becomes tabloid news

[Zoolander]

Well Man U do it too. We have to take it as well as give it. I hope Ronaldo remembers who made him the player he is.

[Papa Lazarou]

what about all the rumourds that we may sign Xavi from Barca in part exchange for Ronaldo??

i personally dont like it as ronaldo is our future and the most important member of our squad

however, xavi would be a good addition to our squad methinks.


aand i also think that we may see a few substitute appearances for Dong this season against the lesser clubs if we're going well

[Zoolander]

Manchester United phoned Barca up to say we're not interested. Just paper talk.

[Usul]

Plus you are now the best club in the world (form wise) and Madrid haven't won a trophy in years.
I just read that Barcelona is currently the best club in the Word (stats and history wise).
Well Man U do it too. We have to take it as well as give it. I hope Ronaldo remembers who made him the player he is.
Ronaldo was already a great player in his Lisbon days.

Which is the reason your players at the time asked Fergusson to sign him, or so the story goes.
Manchester United phoned Barca up to say we're not interested. Just paper talk.
The are interested in Xavi though, but we called and told them to piss off.

[Top Gun]

I wouldn't mind having Xavi but not if it means Ronaldo going the other way, how old is Xavi now? 28?

[Papa Lazarou]

I wouldn't mind having Xavi but not if it means Ronaldo going the other way, how old is Xavi now? 28?


he's 27 so thats not too old...but as you said its not worth getting rid of ronaldo for

[executioner]

Goal!!
EDIT: Two of 'em!

[vanNistelrooy]

4 of them!

[executioner]

They're Multiplying!!

[Top Gun]

Good performance but it wasn't really a challenge Watford were appauling.

[mufcsean]

Didnt watch the game but from what i heard, it was too easy for United, shame blackburn didnt turn up to the Chelsea game

[Joel]

Didnt watch the game but from what i heard, it was too easy for United, shame blackburn didnt turn up to the Chelsea game

They did. Just we took our chances, while they didn't take theirs.

[vanNistelrooy]

Carrick was quality again.

Spurs on Sunday. Should be difficult, but as they couldn't beat Arsenal's kids (twice) we should win.

[Rambo]

Will King or Berbatov be available for the game on Sunday? I hope not.

[-The Trooper-]

Hargreaves isn't stupid - he would only join if he was gonna play fisrt team football week in- week out. That would only happen if someone left - Scholes maybe?

Otherwise he'll stay at Bayern where he is a regualr ... well before he broke his leg ...

The United - Watford games was slightly harsh on Watford - Larson's and Roony's goals were superb at the end but the first 2 were conceded softly :( Please be nicer next time

[mufcsean]

2 excellent goals at the end, good performance at the weekend, should beat Spurs at the weekend, who've Chelsea got

[Stella Artois]

http://www.the-toolbox.net/index.php?main_page=index

Rio's job once the football's over?

[Zoolander]

SUCK IT :ninja:

[mufcsean]

:laugh: does look like him, loving the sig Messiah

EDIT: for anybody who didnt see the goals

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x13t26_man-utd-vs-watford-goals

[Phatmann]

I would comment on the game but I can't stop staring at the messiahs sig :huh:

[Top Gun]

Some good news today concerning our strikers, Saha should be fit for our game against Tottenham on Sunday and Alan Smith played the whole match for the reserves and should be back in the upcoming weeks.

[mufcsean]

:D, its about bloody time

[Top Gun]

Well I think that Smith was rushed back to fitness and this didn't help him so he needed a bit longer to recover. I saw an interview with Larsson on Saturday with him saying he probably won't extend his loan. I thought this was wierd because I presumed he would now stay until the end of the season, what do you guys think? Do you want him to stay until the end of the season.

[mufcsean]

Well based on his performances so far, id love him to stay, the way he has linked up with Rooney is amazing, but i would understand if he went back, he signed for them for a reason

[AgentZero]

bloody hell messiah!...ur sigs gettin increasingly pornographic....people log on at work too you know !

[nikos24]

You at work LG? :unsure::tongue:

[AgentZero]

i was yesterday and the good old supervisor saw it...and had a go at me

[Zoolander]

Tell them it's Jesus. They won't ask questions.

[mufcsean]

Always works for me :tongue:

[Guillermo]

Sir Alex Ferguson has hinted Manchester United will make a renewed bid to sign Bayern Munich midfielder Owen Hargreaves in the summer.

The Red Devils tried to bag the England international midfielder in January, as they did last August, but were rebuffed in their approach.

The Canadian-born star is now staying at the Allianz Arena until the end of the season and Ferguson believes the club were right to bid for the star.

"I think with Hargreaves, if we'd have got him, we'd be bringing in a young English centre-midfield player," said Ferguson.



Cunt.

[JoeyM]

"I think with Hargreaves, if we'd have got him, we'd be bringing in a young English centre-midfield player," said Ferguson.

Brilliant insight there.

[Hunter]

Brilliant insight there.

As always. But isn't Hargreaves Canadian ? :mellow:

[Top Gun]

I think he 1/4 English and does have Canadian blood but I am not sure.

[Zoolander]

Says Dallas, Texas here!
Click Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Urie)

[Top Gun]

You love that guy don't you. :D

[Zoolander]

Hehehe

[Zoolander]

SOURCE (http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=446029&CPID=8&clid=1&lid=3&title=United+offered+Ron+reass urance&channel=&[)

Cristiano Ronaldo's agent has admitted interest from Barcelona and Real Madrid but insists the winger is focused on extending his Old Trafford contract.

Ronaldo's outstanding form this campaign has prompted Manchester United to offer the winger fresh terms but a new deal has yet to be signed.

The Portuguese's displays have also caught the attention of Spanish giants Real Madrid and Barcelona.

Real continue to monitor the player, while Barca were recently linked with a swap deal involving influential midfield anchor Xavi.

But Ronaldo's agent Jorge Mendes has moved to quash the speculation by insisting his client is eyeing a new deal at United.

"It's normal that half the world is asking after Cristiano because every game he is delivering exhibition performances," said Mendes.

"Manchester United have repeated their intention not to sell him, and I would do the same if I was a United director.

"It's no secret there is interest from Real Madrid and Barcelona. For us, the matter does not exist and what we are negotiating is the renewal of his contract."

Promising!

[mufcsean]

He best stay

[Guillermo]

I'd sell him.




For a world record fee. :ninja:

[fluke88]

40mil?

[Miggy]

Straight swap, Ezquerro for Ronaldo :) We'll be losing out on that deal.

[Top Gun]

Well if Ronaldinho is unsettled like the papers are making out, maybe a trade deal is in order. Either that or a trade with Messi or maybe £50 million.

[fluke88]

Come the summer we'll be able to afford him if the American deal goes through. Ahhhh yes.

[Top Gun]

Can't see him going to Liverpool, I think he wants to win trophys in his career. ;)

[Zoolander]

I'd rather keep Ronaldo then have Messi or Ronaldinho. He's Premiership proven. I don't think Ronaldinho would cope in the Premiership.

[Top Gun]

I would also like to keep but what I am saying is that if he did go I would like a player who can do the things he does and there isn't many players in the world which can.

[fluke88]

Can't see him going to Liverpool, I think he wants to win trophys in his career. ;)

Considerin we've won 2 big trophies in the last 2 years ;) And many more before that.

[Zoolander]

Wait for it...........5 times.

[fluke88]

You wish. Not quite yet for you'se.

[vanNistelrooy]

We'll just have to count our Premiership title ;)

8 time, we won it 8 times.

[fluke88]

We shall soon be singing that am sure of it.

[Guillermo]

We shall soon be singing that am sure of it.

Well you certainly won't be singing it in the next 9 years. :mellow:

Seems as though Lar