Manchester United [Archive] - Page 45

Viperized

23-07-2007, 21:05

Scholes is going to be out for a 2-4 weeks, this will mean missing the Charity Shield and maybe the first couple of Premiership games. It is a huge loss as last year we had a great start to the campaign and this could hinder that happening again. This could mean Carrick moving up into Scholes' position or maybe Anderson coming straight in.
Hargreaves + Carrick in midfield.

Zoolander

23-07-2007, 22:33

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2lu89_shenzhen-06-manchester-united-wwwun_sport

AgentZero

24-07-2007, 00:08

i reckon give anderson run for the charity shield a least.

EDIT: How good was Eagles' strike

Top Gun

24-07-2007, 00:14

I reckon that we could see a bit more of Eagles this season, Ferguson has been playing him in the friendlies where he has done well. He seem's to have a good finish on him, his two goals in the friendlies have been good and his goal against Everton during the end of the season was a beauty. When he shoots and crosses he reminds me a lot of Beckham, his delivery isn't as good as Beckham's but he has more pace. It is only friendlies so you can't tell how good he is but I think he can do a good job in some of the lesser games and coming off of the bench if needed.

Zoolander

24-07-2007, 00:16

Dong was in action. He was good.

vanNistelrooy

24-07-2007, 00:19

Eagles needs a chance, and he does remind you of Beckham a bit, just not as good.

Dong is half the player Rossi is, and he looks to be on his way, so don't expect much out of Dong. He looked waaaaay out of his league when we played Chelski. He just looked stiff and didn't know what to do with the ball when he got it.

Rooney always seems to score awesome chips when we tour Asia.

AgentZero

24-07-2007, 00:20

well his best was against pompey IMO.

vanNistelrooy

24-07-2007, 00:22

This was the one I was on about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RGGnyL9adc

AgentZero

24-07-2007, 00:23

oh yeh remember that one. God that blue kit is horrible.

Light Yagami

24-07-2007, 04:33

I was fortunate enough to watch the Man Utd / Shenzhen game in Macau last night.

I can totally understand why PL teams come out here for their pre-season friendlies. The weather is extremely humid, but that didn't seem to have any effect on any of the United players.

The first half goals from Rooney and Nani were a joy to watch, Nani looked very pleased with his first goal for the Champions. Chris Eagles looks like a great prospect for the future and scored a spectacular volley.

The only negative was Wes Brown's attempted clearance in the first half, which would have resulted in a goal had the opposition been more clinical in their finishing.

skullverine

24-07-2007, 06:05

the crowd was really quiet. The Koreans' crowd are much better.

Loved that goal scored by Eagles.

Jesus

24-07-2007, 06:32

The goal from Rooney was a beauty! The Eagles one was pretty good too.
Thanks for the link to the goals God:)

Guillermo

24-07-2007, 14:02

Fifa will not rule on Tevez saga

Fifa has recommended that the Carlos Tevez dispute should go to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.
The Argentine striker wants to join Manchester United, but West Ham and businessman Kia Joorabchian both claim to own the player.

The Football Association asked the world governing body to rule on the matter but a Fifa spokesman said: "The recommendation is to go to CAS."

CAS is yet to comment on whether it will hear the case.

United are expected to pay up to £30m for Tevez, but the transfer has reached an impasse over who should receive the fee.

Tevez is registered as a West Ham player, but Joorabchian claims he still owns the striker's economic rights and is therefore entitled to the transfer fee.

However, West Ham ripped up an agreement they had with Joorabchian - which broke Premier League rules - and they now claim any deal with United can only go ahead with their say-so.

The Premier League, which is also insisting that any fee must go to West Ham, met with Fifa and the Football Association on Monday to discuss the issue.

Fifa spokesman Andreas Herren said: "Under the circumstances it was felt it would be in the best interest of all parties to take this course.

"It looks like being the fastest way of resolving this matter.

"It is not a refusal by Fifa to get involved, quite the contrary. It is a recommendation by Fifa to opt for this way."

Nice work Fifa.

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/9355/clapyk0.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Zoolander

25-07-2007, 11:00

Sir Alex Ferguson has confirmed Middlesbrough are keen on signing striker Alan Smith.

Smith is thought to be mulling over his options at Manchester United as he goes in search of regular first-team football next season.

With competition for places at Old Trafford likely to be fierce, Smith could find himself well down the pecking order.

Gareth Southgate has stepped up his bid to sign the former Leeds man and is offering him the chance of playing regularly in the Premier League.

Ferguson hinted recently that Smith may be allowed to leave United if a club comes in for him and that has reignited Boro's interest.

Southgate has requested permission to speak to Smith with a view of thrashing out a deal for the England international.

Meanwhile, United youngsters Giuseppe Rossi and Gerard Pique will not be leaving United this summer, according to Ferguson.

Rossi and Pique had spells on loan at Parma and Real Zaragoza respectively and both clubs wanted to sign the players permanently.

"The lads going away proved themselves," Ferguson told the club's official website. "Giuseppe scored nine goals in 16 matches for Parma and the consensus is that he kept them up. Everyone says that.

"Gerard played 24 games for Zaragoza and did exceptionally well. We got all the videos of the players and watched what they did in training. They will certainly come back.

"Hopefully now we have a strong enough pool of players. That's one of the reasons I was keen to get the young lads who were away on loan last year back at the club.

"They will develop better with us. They may play more regularly away on loan, but training with us and being part of the squad brings them on immeasurably."

Source (http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=478598&CPID=8&clid=1&lid=&title=Ferguson:+Boro+want+Smit h)

Pique & Rossi will be staying.

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/8420/holdrecord1b8038ekj3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

skullverine

25-07-2007, 11:04

Smith should only go if the Tevez deal is done

Rambo

25-07-2007, 11:07

Smith should only go if the Tevez deal is done

Why? Yes he won't start regularly but he will be an important squad member.

skullverine

25-07-2007, 11:19

Yeah, he's not that great of a striker, but with Saha is always injured, he'll be important squad player. Glad to see both Pique and Rossi are staying.

Dmitris

25-07-2007, 13:42

Tevez to Man Utd?

vanNistelrooy

25-07-2007, 22:30

Not a goalscorer though, and that's something we need as Saha is only fit for six days of each season.

YIPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE about Rossi :D:D:D

AgentZero

25-07-2007, 23:04

when will they unveil Ando?

vanNistelrooy

25-07-2007, 23:18

When they're back off tour I gather?

Zoolander

27-07-2007, 14:07

Nani scores again! Muthafuckers!

Goals

http://www.dailymotion.com/videos/relevance/search/Manchester+united%20Guangzhou/1

Light Yagami

27-07-2007, 15:08

Just watched Guangzhou vs Man Utd.

First of all, what a beauty of a goal by Nani!!!

You can say whatever you like about the opposition being weak, but that goal was executed with sheer perfection. You will have to go some way to see a better one this pre-season.

I don't know much about Lee Martin but he scored a scorcher. The commentator said that he was predominantly left footed, he must have some left foot to have scored a goal like that with his right!

Cristiano Ronaldo came on for Rooney for the last 15 mins. What a talent he is! He doesn't do things by half, he confused the home team with his step-overs and was skillfully flicking the ball to his team-mates.

I can't think of any negatives from this game, I don't ever recall Guangzhou having a shot at Utd.

AgentZero

27-07-2007, 15:10

yeh that nani goal is one gem!!!

Phatmann

27-07-2007, 21:44

I noticed from watching the goals that Lee Martin had the number 12 shirt, do you reckon this'll mean he will be more involved in the first team this year? Sort of taking on Richardsons role as a bit part player? Also saw Darron Gibson with 23. Is this just temporary? as I imagine Hargreaves will have 23.

http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=479102&CPID=8&clid=1&lid=&title=Heinze+seeks+legal+advic e&channel=&

Come on Gaby :crymore:

Stormrider

27-07-2007, 23:32

Nani is looking goooooooood. I'm liking the attacking trio of Rooney, Ronaldo, and Nani. Also liking what I see from Chris Eagles.

p.s. Nani didn't look too happy after his goal. I think he really wanted to do his sommersault which SAF banned for the pre season :lol:

Wan

28-07-2007, 08:44

I wonder why Fergie banned the somersault?

Rambo

28-07-2007, 08:46

I wonder why Fergie banned the somersault?

To avoid injuries.

Zoolander

28-07-2007, 08:46

I wonder why Fergie banned the somersault?

Because Nani only just recovered from an ankle problem.

CaptainCabinet

28-07-2007, 08:46

See: Lua Lua Vs Arsenal

Wan

28-07-2007, 09:00

So somesault can injured if they don't land their feet rightly, is I'm correct?

Zoolander

28-07-2007, 09:06

So somesault can injured if they don't land their feet rightly, is I'm correct?

Picture this... I attempt a somersault & land on my face. Will I be injured?

Wan

28-07-2007, 09:21

You will..

-The Trooper-

28-07-2007, 09:26

Picture this... I attempt a somersault & land on my face. Will I be injured?

You will..

:laugh: Wan, you should be made an honourary elite member for amusing me so much.

Wan

28-07-2007, 09:30

:lol:
What amuse you?

-The Trooper-

28-07-2007, 09:33

This :

Picture this... I attempt a somersault & land on my face. Will I be injured?

You will..

:erm:

Wan

28-07-2007, 09:36

Oh I see..
Well I answered it correctly..

skullverine

28-07-2007, 10:24

I was impressed with Lee Martin last night. I hope he's better than Richardson

Wan

28-07-2007, 13:47

Lee Martin..
The one that has hair was Torres?

Zoolander

28-07-2007, 13:56

Watch your double posts.

Wan

28-07-2007, 14:16

Sorry, my browser was going crazy so i click it more than 1 time..
and i want to delete it but i can't!

Guillermo

28-07-2007, 14:40

Sorry, my browser was going crazy so i click it more than 1 time..
and i want to delete it but i can't!

:laugh:

Give me a hug wan.

Lami

28-07-2007, 14:47

Watch your double posts.

Enjoying the taste of power already.. :rolleyes:

Zoolander

28-07-2007, 14:50

Enjoying the taste of power already.. :rolleyes:

He's been warned before. :ninja:

Lami

28-07-2007, 14:52

He's been warned before. :ninja:

Was just teasing you ;)

Any news on the Tevez saga?

Zoolander

28-07-2007, 14:53

They're saying it should be sorted next week.

Lami

28-07-2007, 14:57

They've been saying that forever and nothing is happening. What's different about next week?

vanNistelrooy

28-07-2007, 18:13

Anyone got the goals from our 3-0 win against that team? (like I'm supposed to remember their name!)

Just want to see Nani's chip, really.

Zoolander

28-07-2007, 18:24

Read back, I posted them.

Edit: http://www.dailymotion.com/videos/relevance/search/Manchester+united%20Guangzhou/1

vanNistelrooy

28-07-2007, 18:33

Sorry there, God! ;)

Who died and made you admin, anyway! :D

Zoolander

28-07-2007, 18:41

I won't changed! I'm still, im still Jenny from the block.

AgentZero

30-07-2007, 02:12

youve changed man
you use to be about the music.

skullverine

30-07-2007, 10:01

In other news, Hargreaves is back on training

Jesus

30-07-2007, 10:37

Good news, I think Carrick and Hargreaves will be starting until Scholes is back.

ecureuil

30-07-2007, 12:30

Some of the daily rags reckon the Tevez saga won't be resolved before the end of the transfer window. Apparently West Ham were willing to settle it out of court, but Joorabchian wants to take it to the CoA because he's so confident of winning, and the process will take weeks.

vanNistelrooy

30-07-2007, 17:57

Fucking benders.

I hope West Ham get relegated, so I can go down to Upton Park and piss on the stadium. They should have been relegated last season.

Joel

30-07-2007, 18:33

Fucking benders.

I hope West Ham get relegated, so I can go down to Upton Park and piss on the stadium. They should have been relegated last season.

Why can't you piss on their stadium now?

Stella Artois

30-07-2007, 18:39

I love the way United fans are so stupid and fickle that they forget the despicable way in which they're treating Heinze.

:rolleyes:

Zoolander

30-07-2007, 18:42

I love the way United fans are so stupid and fickle that they forget the despicable way in which they're treating Heinze.

:rolleyes:

Yeah, like not enabling him to recover in Spain when he was injured.

Stella Artois

30-07-2007, 18:43

Or not letting him leave when Ferguson told him that any club that bid £6.8m could have him.

Forgotten that bit of the story?

Zoolander

30-07-2007, 18:47

Or not letting him leave when Ferguson told him that any club that bid £6.8m could have him.

Forgotten that bit of the story?

Overseas club. We're not like Arsenal. Selling good players to rival clubs. ;)

Jonny2J

30-07-2007, 18:47

Or not letting him leave when Ferguson told him that any club that bid £6.8m could have him.

Forgotten that bit of the story?Or the fact that it looks like they went directly behind West Ham's back to do business over Tevez.

Stella Artois

30-07-2007, 18:48

I hadn't even gotten to that bit Jonny. ;)

The agreement had absolutely nothing to do with only overseas clubs, hence the reason Heinze is pursuing the option of challenge this in the courts.

Zoolander

30-07-2007, 18:49

Or the fact that it looks like they went directly behind West Ham's back to do business over Tevez.

You speak like Newcastle & Sam Allardyce are saints. :rolleyes:

Jonny2J

30-07-2007, 18:50

I hadn't even gotten to that bit Jonny. ;)

The agreement had absolutely nothing to do with only overseas clubs, hence the reason Heinze is pursuing the option of challenge this in the courts.It's not as if they have tapped up players or anything in the past as well now is it?

Stella Artois

30-07-2007, 18:55

No, no, Ferguson is a saint. After all, he didn't go on and on and on and on (I could add more as they'd be justified) about Hargreaves, did he?

Its absolutely fucking pathetic.

Here's a great example of Fergie's stupidity.

Says Sir Alex Ferguson of Gabriel Heinze:

"He's our player, that's the important thing. He's not Liverpool's player, despite them going on like he's their player."

A moral standpoint that would be quite admirable, if Sir hadn't accompanied it with the following observation on Carlos Tevez:

"We've gone so far it's pointless thinking of going back now, we're where we want to be. We feel he's our player."

:laugh:

Zoolander

30-07-2007, 18:59

This (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=V6xhhW4KKeo) should explain the Heinze situation better.

Top Gun

30-07-2007, 19:00

No club is totally clean, so what is the point of this arguement?

Stella Artois

30-07-2007, 19:01

That says all I need to know about a supporter like you.

Which ground do you live nearest again? Wasn't it Upton Park? :laugh:

Jonny2J

30-07-2007, 19:04

You speak like Newcastle & Sam Allardyce are saints. :rolleyes:Where and when did I actually say that btw? Oh no I haven't. But as for that matter nothing has ever been proven against Allardyce or us for that matter actually.

You make these accusations against us when Taggart is becoming such a hypocrite as Stella has already proven. But because it is Man Utd then it seems that this quite frank and public tapping up affair of Tevez that nothing gets done, then obviously you have to look at players like Stam admitting he had several meetings with Taggart before any positive contact was made with PSV. Same with Robben, Hargreaves etc

Stella Artois

30-07-2007, 19:09

No club is totally clean, so what is the point of this arguement?

Perhaps if we didn't have to read the mindless and boring replies of some of the so-called United fans insulting West Ham then this wouldn't have happened.

This club is as guilty as anyone else's, yet you're attempting to take the moral high ground? :laugh: :laugh:

Zoolander

30-07-2007, 19:10

That says all I need to know about a supporter like you.

Which ground do you live nearest again? Wasn't it Upton Park? :laugh:

Anfield or Goodison I think.

Where and when did I actually say that btw? Oh no I haven't. But as for that matter nothing has ever been proven against Allardyce or us for that matter actually.

You make these accusations against us when Taggart is becoming such a hypocrite as Stella has already proven. But because it is Man Utd then it seems that this quite frank and public tapping up affair of Tevez that nothing gets done, then obviously you have to look at players like Stam admitting he had several meetings with Taggart before any positive contact was made with PSV. Same with Robben, Hargreaves etc

Well if it's so clean cut why isn't anyone doing anything?

Jonny2J

30-07-2007, 19:22

Like West Ham blocking the transfer perhaps?

vanNistelrooy

30-07-2007, 19:23

If Heinze really does want to leave us for our fiercest rivals then he deserves to be treated like shit.

Any respect I had for him is now gone.

ecureuil

30-07-2007, 19:23

Or the fact that it looks like they went directly behind West Ham's back to do business over Tevez.

Because Tevez isn't a West Ham player. MSI own him, so you go to MSI to buy him. West Ham are in the shit because they lied about owning him.

Stella Artois

30-07-2007, 19:28

Its irrelevant as to who owns his economic rights. MSI specifically gave up any rights to be involved in his contract, with the contract length being 4 yours. MSI have fucked up, not West Ham.

Zoolander

30-07-2007, 19:38

I wonder if West Ham paid a transfer fee? Hmm...

Stella Artois

30-07-2007, 19:39

I don't see how that is relevant myself.

Zoolander

30-07-2007, 19:41

If they didn't pay a transfer fee why are the entitled to any money? Karma is a bitch.

Stella Artois

30-07-2007, 19:43

Because they paid his wages and signed a four year contract with him?

Zoolander

30-07-2007, 19:45

Because they paid his wages and signed a four year contract with him?

I see, so what makes Javier Mascherano exempt from this rule?

vanNistelrooy

30-07-2007, 19:46

He was shit for West Ham so no-one gave a shit about him.

Stella Artois

30-07-2007, 19:46

Because they didn't want him? Besides, that deal was done before the third party agreement was ripped out of the contracts.

Zoolander

30-07-2007, 19:52

Stella Artois, you sir are a fickle fan!

Hunter

30-07-2007, 20:37

Or the fact that it looks like they went directly behind West Ham's back to do business over Tevez.

West Ham don't own the player it appears, so it's barely tapping up.

I love the way United fans are so stupid and fickle that they forget the despicable way in which they're treating Heinze.

:rolleyes:

Guess you'd be filled with joy if Fabregas or Van Persie decided to join Spurs ?

Stella Artois

30-07-2007, 20:43

Hunter

30-07-2007, 20:54

Its not so much to do with where he goes, but surely you can see how unfair United are being towards him? Its not helping when you hear United fans moaning about how West Ham so let Tevez leave either.

United fans see Heinze as awesome, and have been pretty much in love with him since he joined and showed passion for the club. In terms of the fans, I don't think any wrong-doing has been happening. I just don't see what the fuss is about really, obviously we wouldn't want to sell to Liverpool, especially if we can sell him abroad. Or not even sell him at all for that matter. I highly doubt Liverpool would sell top players to us either, whether it be due to the rivalry or that we're both title contenders. It's not hard to understand for either party.

It's just showing no real loyalty from Heinze if he's said he wants to move to Liverpool. That's what fucking everybody off.

As for Tevez, I'd rather have Huntelaar to be honest, better striker and less hassle. But if we're able to get Tevez for free as reported then it wouldn't be bad. Unfortunately it's only going to be a loan, even if it is for 4 years or so, we'll probably never own him so it's just a bit annoying really. Far too much controversy surrounds it for it to be good news for the club, there's obviously some form of illegal activity involved.

vanNistelrooy

30-07-2007, 20:55

Who/when was the last transfer from Liverpool to Man Utd or from Man Utd to Liverpool, out of curiosity?

Phatmann

30-07-2007, 20:58

Who/when was the last transfer from Liverpool to Man Utd or from Man Utd to Liverpool, out of curiosity?

Ramon Calliste last year on a free? :mellow:

Calzone

30-07-2007, 20:59

40 years ago Bry10. :unsure:

Stella Artois

30-07-2007, 20:59

vanNistelrooy

30-07-2007, 20:59

Ramon Calliste last year on a free? :mellow:
Ok smartass, let me reword it...

"Who/when was the last player who anyone gave a two-shilling-shit about that transfered from Liverpool to Man Utd or from Man Utd to Liverpool, out of curiosity?"

Stella Artois

30-07-2007, 21:00

Already been answered. ;)

vanNistelrooy

30-07-2007, 21:02

Already been answered. ;)
Ok...

"Who/when was the last player who anyone gave a two-shilling-shit about (OTHER THAN RAMON CALLISTE) that transfered from Liverpool to Man Utd or from Man Utd to Liverpool, out of curiosity?"

Phatmann

30-07-2007, 21:04

Ok...

"Who/when was the last player who anyone gave a two-shilling-shit about (OTHER THAN RAMON CALLISTE) that transfered from Liverpool to Man Utd or from Man Utd to Liverpool, out of curiosity?"

Stella may have been referring to: "40 years ago Bry10. " from NYRB.

Stella Artois

30-07-2007, 21:04

It was 40 years ago as was said above. I can't remember his name, and can't be bothered to search for it. Just google it.

Calzone

30-07-2007, 21:10

@ bry10; Just throwing a name out.

Phil Chisnall?

Dan

30-07-2007, 21:12

Phil Chisnall in 1964.

Although I dunno if that counts, cos I'm not sure anyone gave a shit about him either.

Zoolander

30-07-2007, 21:25

When he transferred Liverpool weren't big rivals then.

ecureuil

30-07-2007, 22:22

But do you get my point? How can you moan and bitch about Heinze (not you personally) about wanting to move, when you won't let him, but at the same time feel you have the right to complain about West Ham's behaviour? It doesn't add up.

Because West Ham aren't trying to hold on to him because they don't want to sell a key player to a rival. They're trying to hold on to him because they can't sell him without admitting they lied to the league about tearing up the MSI contract. They're doing it to cover their own cheating, not because they want to keep the player.

Besides, no-one is complaining about West Ham not letting him go. West Ham want him to go, MSI want him to go, United want him to join. The matter currently has NOTHING to do with Man Utd. Gill said that we're not getting involved until West Ham and MSI have sorted out the ownership. And Hunter, where did you hear it's going to be a loan? All the recent reports suggest that it's going to be a permanent move.

Stella Artois

30-07-2007, 22:29

You sure no-one is complaining about West Ham? I could find you a lot of posts to suggest the opposite.

Even if they are doing it to cover up their mistakes, it doesn't change the fact that you've treated Heinze dispicably (and don't tell me how you stood by him during his injuries as all clubs do it).

ecureuil

30-07-2007, 23:04

Yeah, complaining about West Ham because they're cheating cunts, not because they're refusing to sell the player. And how have we treated Heinze despicably? By voting him player of the year in his first season? Singing Argentina on the terraces? Sticking by him through thick and thin? I've no idea if he wants to fuck off to Liverpool or not. Heinze has NEVER said he wants to go to Liverpool, it's all been his agent. Aside from refusing to sell him to our biggest rivals (which is fine as far as I'm concerned, I wouldn't complain if Liverpool did it to us) we've done everything for him.

Stella Artois

30-07-2007, 23:09

I'll leave it at that as you've clearly no idea.

ecureuil

30-07-2007, 23:18

I see what you're saying, but you're wrong. Simple as that. Pure United bashing again. There's no parallels between the Tevez and Heinze cases, they are totally different, you're talking about half speculation/hearsay and very little fact.

I'd love to hear how we've treated Heinze badly, though.

Stella Artois

30-07-2007, 23:20

ecureuil

30-07-2007, 23:32

We don't know the terms of that agreement though, rumour has it that it was just a gentlemans agreement, which is where all the fuss is coming from. It clearly wasn't part of his contract. If he wants to play first team football, why doesn't he fight for his place? Doesn't he think he's good enough? If he really wants to leave for that reason, he's a total bottler. If there's another reason, well, I'd love to hear it.

Stella Artois

30-07-2007, 23:36

I agree that he's attitude is pretty shit as he's clearly not willing to put any sort of effort in into winning his place back, but I just feel the behaviour of SAF has been fairly poor, especially given how he wants West Ham to agree to the sale of Tevez.

And yes, I realise there are differences, but you can draw parallels, between the two.

Oh well, we'll all see how it pans out, but I'd have thought it'd be better for you to get rid of him anyway.

AgentZero

30-07-2007, 23:46

whats the deal with heinze? has a move been agreed?

ecureuil

30-07-2007, 23:58

whats the deal with heinze? has a move been agreed?

No, I can see us selling him for a cut price to Juve on the last day of the transfer window, though. After all this, I'm not sure he can play for us again.

otobot

31-07-2007, 05:40

well, its all been hes agent doing the talking, not heinze, lets wait til he comes back then...

GuyP

31-07-2007, 11:14

Apparently we've agreed a fee for Smudger :)

Hunter

31-07-2007, 11:48

- Heinze was told he can leave for £6.8m.

- Liverpool bid £6.8m.

- SAF decides that actually, no he can't leave.

He clearly wants to leave to play first-team football, so what's the problem with letting him go?

Fergie obviously just doesn't want to sell him to our biggest rivals, it's quite that simple really.

Whereas with the Tevez saga, no one fucking knows what's happening there. Not even the FA since they seemed to have fluffed everything up with regards to it.

Mambo

31-07-2007, 12:11

- Heinze was told he can leave for £6.8m.

- Liverpool bid £6.8m.

- SAF decides that actually, no he can't leave.

He clearly wants to leave to play first-team football, so what's the problem with letting him go?

There's no problem with letting him go, just letting him go to any of the top three rivals in our league, compound the fact that it's Liverpool (i.e. not just because they are title rivals). Heinze would strengthen any team in the world because of his quality (with the exception of maybe Chelsea as they already have two quality left backs). Why would you want to strengthen your nearest rivals? Plus, SAF doesn't want to sell him, he's merely doing so because Heinze doesn't want to stay.

As I understand it he was told that was the price for a foreign club. Shame on him for a not fighting for his place and b kicking up such a fuss when we say no to Liverpool.

skullverine

31-07-2007, 12:31

The Carlos Tevez dispute will go to a hearing at the High Court on August 22 unless West Ham United can agree an out-of-court-settlement with the players representatives.

The club's lawyers have put forward a deal to the striker's advisers which could end with the Hammers picking up several million pounds.

Tevez's representatives Media Sports Investment are suing West Ham for £30million for breach of contract after they terminated third-party agreements regarding the player in April.

However, it would suit all parties if a deal could be reached as a case in the High Court could take months to hear.

Talks are continuing between the three parties to see if an agreement can be reached that would allow the Argentinian's move to Manchester United to go ahead before the start of the season.

West Ham's lawyers have put forward a suggestion which would see the club receive a sum totalling several million pounds in compensation for agreeing to release Tevez's registration.

The Premier League have to be satisfied that West Ham are receiving an adequate sum and chairman Sir Dave Richards, chief executive Richard Scudamore and general secretary Mike Foster spent several hours yesterday discussing the proposal.

The league have to be able to demonstrate to the other 19 clubs that they are operating under the scenario that Tevez's is contracted to West Ham and that the club are not controlled by the original third-party agreements that caused the Hammers to be fined £5.5million by an independent disciplinary commission.

The original contracts only contained agreements for West Ham to be paid £100,000 if Tevez moved on, but if the striker's agent Kia Joorabchian agrees to the settlement they could get around half the amount they were fined.

West Ham have resigned themselves to losing Tevez but are keen to get an agreement rather than continue paying £1.75million annual wages for a player who will not turn out for them.

Hunter

31-07-2007, 14:47

Can't be arsed even hearing about it anymore. I shall block all Tevez news out until I hear he has officially signed for us or not from a friend. Easiest way really.

ecureuil

31-07-2007, 18:38

Guiseppe Rossi has signed for Villarreal, subject to medical. :(

Jonny2J

31-07-2007, 18:39

Apparently we've agreed a fee for Smudger :)You're happy about this because?

vanNistelrooy

31-07-2007, 21:35

Guiseppe Rossi has signed for Villarreal, subject to medical. :(
Please, let that be the last we mention about it.

skullverine

01-08-2007, 10:07

Crap. He shouldn't be sold as Saha is always injured. Our only reliable striker at the moment is Rooney. :(

AgentZero

01-08-2007, 10:08

well there goes rossi, im kinda disappointed he only played a handful of games

ecureuil

01-08-2007, 10:12

We should have bought Freddy Adu. Benfica only paid £1mil for him, and he's worth that, surely.

skullverine

01-08-2007, 10:16

We should have bought Freddy Adu. Benfica only paid £1mil for him, and he's worth that, surely.

Doubt he'll get a work permit.

otobot

01-08-2007, 10:33

we got tons hu could play upfront actually...rooney, saha, ole, ronaldo, nani, anderson...giggs n scholes as support...i dont see the problem really...though of course i wudve preferred rossi n smith stay...

ecureuil

01-08-2007, 12:04

Saha will be injured, Ole can't play that much, and the rest are all midfielders. When you start playing your midfielders up front, then you compromise your midfield. We'd be fine with just Tevez though, IMO.

Zoolander

01-08-2007, 12:16

You fucking guys! We have Dong! Don't worry.

skullverine

01-08-2007, 12:25

You fucking guys! We have Dong! Don't worry.
:laugh: We also have some in the reserves too.

Wan

01-08-2007, 14:10

Yep.
Dong-Key.
Lol.

Jesus

01-08-2007, 14:52

Dong :w00t:

I am sad to see Rossi leave, I thought that one day, he'd grow up to be a Manchester United legend. :crymore:

Stormrider

01-08-2007, 17:01

We put a clause in Rossi's contract. Should Villarreal ever decide to sell him, we got first dibs :happy:

Zoolander

01-08-2007, 17:20

What Stormrider said.

Manchester United will have the option to buy-back Giuseppe Rossi in the future, manager Sir Alex Ferguson has revealed.

Villarreal have signed Rossi for £6million after the Italian Under 21 striker decided he needed regular first-team football this season.

Rossi has signed a six-year deal with Villarreal and will replace former United striker Diego Forlan at the Spanish club.

The 20-year-old could find himself back at Old Trafford in a few years after Ferguson confirmed the clause in the contract.

Ferguson did his best to try and persuade Rossi to stay, but is content with the option to bring him back to United in the future.

"We have put in a clause in the contract, so maybe he will come back to us at some stage," Ferguson told MUTV.

"We wish Giuseppe well and we know he will do well at Villarreal.

"It was a difficult decision to let him leave. I had several meetings with him to try and convince him that he would get plenty of football with us this season and all he needed was a bit of patience.

"But, having been on loan last season, he wanted first-team football all the time."

Source (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_2635775,00.html)

Light Yagami

01-08-2007, 17:22

Shame to see Rossi go, he's still quite young and I thought this was going to be the season where he would get a lot more opportunities in the PL.

In light of this transfer, I can only presume that the Tevez situation will be concluded some time soon.

There is another young player at Old Trafford who I'm hoping will see more PL action this season - Gerard Pique. He done very well at Zaragoza last season and he's only 20 years old.

Zoolander

01-08-2007, 17:24

Dong is so good we've included him twice in the team.

http://www.skysports.com/football/teams/manchesterunited

Stormrider

01-08-2007, 18:15

Dong is so good we've included him twice in the team.

http://www.skysports.com/football/teams/manchesterunited

2 Dongs!! Our rivals stand no chance :cool:

vanNistelrooy

01-08-2007, 18:17

Dong is shit.

Bring back Rossi :crymore:

Cali

01-08-2007, 18:18

Annoyed with the Rossi departure, but now as it has been revealed that we basically get first dubs on him if Villareal sell, I am quite content about it now.

This Tevez saga is doing my head in. I mean, Tevez is a great player, but I can't see why Fergie won't say, set a deadline on the Transfer, and if nothing's sorted by then, he should go for Huntelaar. Just my opinion, as I think that we do need another Striker for this upcoming season, seeing as Rossi has gone, Saha will get injured within 6 games and Ole is still injured, is he not ?

Also, I seriously hope that Heinze stay's. His attitude is sucky in terms of that he doesn't wan't to stay and fight for his place. Evra is better then him, Yes, but Heinze will surely play a good handfull of games next season, as we're bound to have injury's.

wrathchild_uk

01-08-2007, 19:51

Anyone able to post the Utd & Inter lineups for tonights game, also score updates ;)

Phatmann

01-08-2007, 20:00

Dong is shit.

Bring back Rossi :crymore:

Dong > Rossi.

Is the Inter match on mutv?

Zoolander

01-08-2007, 20:32

Yes, 1-2.

Edit: 4-2. Dong twice.

Phatmann

01-08-2007, 21:12

Yes, 1-2.

Edit: 4-2. Dong twice.

:mellow: serious?

Zoolander

01-08-2007, 21:18

No, it's 2-3.

Phatmann

01-08-2007, 21:19

No, it's 2-3.

Scorers?

Zoolander

01-08-2007, 21:25

Rooney, Adriano OG - Suazo 2, Ibrahimovic.

vanNistelrooy

01-08-2007, 22:03

Dong > Rossi.
Not a chance, sunshine.

wrathchild_uk

01-08-2007, 23:03

Did Utd have a shite line up....i was expecting a win based on Inters perfomances at the Emirates cup.

vanNistelrooy

01-08-2007, 23:12

Haven't seen Inter's line up for tonight, but a lot of the players that featured in the Emirates cup I didn't recognise.

Hunter

02-08-2007, 00:18

Rooney, Adriano OG - Suazo 2, Ibrahimovic.

We win.

Zoolander

02-08-2007, 02:37

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2o6z3_man-utd-inter-all-goals_sport

Calzone

02-08-2007, 03:25

Adriano's header left the goalkeeper stranded, it was brilliant. :laugh:

Stormrider

02-08-2007, 07:38

Fantastic header by Adriano :laugh:
Not convinced with our defense but our attack is looking solid.

skullverine

02-08-2007, 07:52

And, Sir Alex said that lineup is most likely to be used on Sunday.

Rambo

02-08-2007, 11:45

The defending was shit. We defend like that on Sunday, Chelsea will win.

Hunter

02-08-2007, 12:46

That header reminds me of the old Dowie one, such precision, such power and such retardedness.

Joel

02-08-2007, 13:51

The defending was shit. We defend like that on Sunday, Chelsea will win.

Chelsea have been very impotent in pre season, so I wouldn't say that.

AgentZero

02-08-2007, 14:05

wats w/ ye sig god.....

Zoolander

02-08-2007, 14:51

She's a Hulkamaniac.

Keyser Soze

02-08-2007, 14:54

wats w/ ye sig god.....
Took me about 2 minutes to decipher that. :no:

Zoolander

02-08-2007, 14:59

I know, he's getting worst!

Stormrider

02-08-2007, 16:10

Manchester United have signed a gifted nine-year-old after his grandfather sent the Premier League champions a DVD showcasing the boy's talents which has become a YouTube sensation.

Rhain Davis, who was born in England but has lived in Australia since the age of four, was hailed by the British press on Thursday as the next Wayne Rooney after the United striker.

The boy's dribbling and goalscoring prowess for an Under-10 side in Brisbane, Australia, feature in a four-minute YouTube clip, already viewed more than 800,000 times.

United confirmed the signing but played down the hype around Davis, who has moved back to Cheshire in northern England with his father, near the club's training ground.

"He's a member of our academy and we don't comment on individual members," a United spokesman told Reuters.

He added that the club sign about 40 players of Davis's age every year and, as is standard, will decide annually whether to renew his contract or release him.

What was so unusual in Davis's case was that his skills were brought to the attention of United's youth scouts by the DVD submission, which could inspire other hopefuls, the spokesman said.

"We're bracing ourselves for a whole series of DVDs," he added.

Davis has been thrilled at the chance to rub shoulders with some of his idols.

"The best part has been meeting lots of players like Wayne Rooney," he told British newspapers.

Source (http://www.reuters.com/article/internetNews/idUSL0234565820070802)

Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG47FDenyXw)

The next Rooney + Ronaldo in 1 package? Love the part at 1 min mark, the kid just won't stay down, very Rooney like. Lets hope he developes well :happy:

Wan

02-08-2007, 16:28

Amazing for 9 years old boy!

RB14 ARSENAL

02-08-2007, 16:33

Agreed. What's the transfer fee??? :D

Jonny2J

02-08-2007, 17:00

Christ almighty he's a 9 year old.

Zoolander

02-08-2007, 17:02

Christ almighty he's a 9 year old.

Exactly! When I was 9 I was shit at football & now I'm a fucking legend.

skullverine

02-08-2007, 17:17

Looks like Smith is likely to join Newcastle. This leaves us with only Rooney as our striker.

Zoolander

02-08-2007, 17:17

Looks like Smith is likely to join Newcastle. This leaves us with only Rooney as our striker.

Dong.

Wan

02-08-2007, 17:19

Saha & Ole.

Jonny2J

02-08-2007, 17:22

Looks like Smith is likely to join Newcastle. This leaves us with only Rooney as our striker.:(

skullverine

02-08-2007, 17:23

Dong.
In my opinion, he's not good enough for Man United standard

Saha- as I said, he's always injured
Ole- getting older. In the last few games of last season, he looked very slow.

So, as it stands, Rooney is our only striker.

Zoolander

02-08-2007, 17:24

Wait Smith wants first team football? Owen, Viduka, Martins & Ameobi?

Wan

02-08-2007, 17:30

Owen & Viduka are likely injured so there will be Obafemi for backups..
He should join Boro than Newcastle..

Calzone

02-08-2007, 17:33

Smith is rumored to be heading to west ham or newcastle last i heard.

Jonny2J

02-08-2007, 17:34

Owen & Viduka are likely injured so there will be Obafemi for backups..
He should join Boro than Newcastle..Oba as a backup, don't make me laugh.

Wan

02-08-2007, 17:36

Why?
So Viduka for backup?

Calzone

02-08-2007, 17:37

I would have Viduka and Martins start, and let owen come in and out till he becomes amazing again.

Wan

02-08-2007, 17:39

Yea because he's always injured..
No reason to waste substitutions for him..

Zoolander

02-08-2007, 17:42

I'd start with Martins & Viduka also.

wrathchild_uk

02-08-2007, 19:37

Whats going on with all the dong loving in here???

vanNistelrooy

03-08-2007, 00:30

Unless Big Sam has gone bonkers overnight, he'll start Owen and Martins with Viduka and Smith as backup and ship Ameobi out to Africa to help feed starving children or something else that involves him being as far away from a football pitch as equally possible.

How much can we be expecting to get for Smith?

Even if we sign Tevez (which won't be for a month), we need another striker.

Figо10

03-08-2007, 03:25

Anyone seen Hargreaves' new shirt number? He's taken the number 8 from Rooney :laugh:

skullverine

03-08-2007, 05:29

I thought he'd get the #23.

Also, if anyone cared, West Ham are expected to announce tomorrow that they will release Carlos Tevez from his contract and registration after they tonight agreed a deal with his representatives.

If he joins us, won't he still be owned by MSI?

Jesus

03-08-2007, 06:05

No, he'll be owned only by us.

otobot

03-08-2007, 06:19

nope...i read somewhere its like mascherano...which is MSI loanin the player to united...

...wheres the owen pic with the #8 kit?

Jesus

03-08-2007, 06:43

Okay, then. Thanks.

otobot

03-08-2007, 10:21

yeah..its on skysports now...2 year loan, 5 mil a year...

...smith is off to newcastle for 6 mil...

Jesus

03-08-2007, 11:03

Here's the link.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_2638241,00.html

Juan Sebastian Veron has warned Carlos Tevez that life at Manchester United is not always easy.

Tevez has been the subject of a summer-long transfer saga between his current club, West Ham, and the Premier League champions.

United are hopeful they are close to completing the deal, but former Red Devils midfielder Veron has told Tevez he is not guaranteed to succeed at Old Trafford.

Veron joined United in 2001 for a then British transfer record fee of £28.1million, but he failed to live up to expectations and was shipped out to Chelsea two years later.

Speaking from that experience, Veron admits he has explained to Tevez about the pressures he could face at United. "To triumph at the club is not easy, even if you are a superstar," Veron told The Sun.

"Some players leave because of the enormous and constant pressure. Carlos will find that United is not like West Ham in any aspect.

"The change will be enormous and if things do not go well he could suffer a mortal fall in fortune.

"If a player has good fortune from the very first day everyone is positive. But, if problems appear it is not so easy to triumph.

"The only possible goal there is success. Second place is failure and this burns deep into every player and can affect you."

Link:http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_2636850,00.html

ecureuil

03-08-2007, 13:12

Smith has officially joined Newcastle now.

skullverine

03-08-2007, 14:02

Carlos Tevez will become a Manchester United player today after a remarkable £2million deal was struck that blew apart any pretence that West Ham ever owned him.
The Daily Express has been given full access to the sensational financial deatls that aallow Tevez to move from West Ham to Old Trafford via third-party owners, Media Sports Investments and Just Sports Inc. The Hammers receive a mere £2m for a world-class striker, who is valued in excess of £35m.
But they won't get a penny from Old Trafford. Their "fee" will come direct from MSI and Just Sport. Tevez, meanwhile, gets £90,000 a week and joins the most famous club on the planet.
United will pay £10m for a two-year "rental" from the third-party owners of Tevez, with the option to purchase him outright for more than £20m.

http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid=%7BB4CEE8F A%2D9A47%2D47BC%2DB069%2D3F7A2 F35DB70%7D&newsid=449718

And, bye-bye Smith.

Barry

03-08-2007, 14:11

A world class striker? :mellow:

skullverine

03-08-2007, 14:18

A world class striker? :mellow:

Maybe

Barry

03-08-2007, 14:28

Not quite yet. Still 2m is a steal for such a talent.

Wan

03-08-2007, 15:06

2m is a bargain for such a player!!

Papa Lazarou

03-08-2007, 15:07

i reckon tevez will be a great manchester united player and at the moment our attacking force is far superior than pretty much every team in the premiership

however with Heinze looking like he'll leave do you think we need a new left back or will silvestre be a good back-up to evra who will probably be first choice?

Zoolander

03-08-2007, 15:09

You forgot to add the 30m we have to pay to make it permanent.

Wan

03-08-2007, 15:29

:shocking:
nah, not too shock..

-The Trooper-

03-08-2007, 15:34

i reckon tevez will be a great manchester united player and at the moment our attacking force is far superior than pretty much every team in the premiership

United : C. Ronaldo, Giggs, Anderson, Nani, Rooney, Tevez, Scholes.

Chelsea : Robben, J.Cole, Malouda, Wright-Phillips, Drogba, Shevchenko, Pizzaro, Lampard, Ballack.

Of course you do. :rolleyes:

Wan

03-08-2007, 15:42

You forgot Essien!

-The Trooper-

03-08-2007, 15:46

Essien too.

ferdinand93

03-08-2007, 15:47

You forgot Essien!

Essien isn't an attacking player.

Joel

03-08-2007, 15:51

Essien isn't an attacking player.

You obviously haven't watched him.

Wan

03-08-2007, 15:51

Kalou then.

Zoolander

03-08-2007, 16:01

Chelski suck ass!

Mambo

03-08-2007, 16:32

United : C. Ronaldo, Giggs, Anderson, Nani, Rooney, Tevez, Scholes.

Chelsea : Robben, J.Cole, Malouda, Wright-Phillips, Drogba, Shevchenko, Pizzaro, Lampard, Ballack.

Of course you do. :rolleyes:

I'd have United's choice over Chelsea's choice any day of the week

Papa Lazarou

03-08-2007, 16:37

what the hell will be our formation at the start of the season anyone reckon?

i think it may be 4-3-3 to fit carrick, hargreaves and scholes in midfield...but that would probably mean that we'd get rooney to play on wing and tevez through the middle...so what about nani and giggs??

we have some proper tough choices ahead eh!!

Hunter

03-08-2007, 16:41

Papa Lazarou

03-08-2007, 16:47

4-4-2 probably, to begin with at least.

------------------VDS-------------------

---Neville------Vidic---Rio-------Evra-----

-------------Hargreaves-----------------
--Ronaldo----------Scholes------Giggs---

------------Tevez---Rooney-------------

yeah that'd probably be a bloody good line-up and we have enough players for good rotation if needs be

god i hope Park gets a fair few games this season...dont want him to leave!

Rambo

03-08-2007, 18:08

United : C. Ronaldo, Giggs, Anderson, Nani, Rooney, Tevez, Scholes.

Chelsea : Robben, J.Cole, Malouda, Wright-Phillips, Drogba, Shevchenko, Pizzaro, Lampard, Ballack.

Of course you do. :rolleyes:

Isn't Robben leaving?

The only people who are worth a mention in your list is Drogba, J Cole and Robben.

Hunter

03-08-2007, 18:25

yeah that'd probably be a bloody good line-up and we have enough players for good rotation if needs be

god i hope Park gets a fair few games this season...dont want him to leave!

I believe Park is injured.

Original?

03-08-2007, 18:30

What a ridiculous statement, Malouda, Wright-Phillips, Pizzaro, Lampard and Ballack are of course woeful. :rolleyes:

Rambo

03-08-2007, 18:36

Who said anything about them being woeful?

Original?

03-08-2007, 18:40

Well if they're not 'worth a mention' they can't be much can they? I don't think fans of the 'big four' should discuss their teams together as on the whole they generally end up sounding idiotic.

Rambo

03-08-2007, 18:45

On paper they're all good players, but the likes of Ballack, SWP haven't been at their best which is why they were not 'worth a mention'. Clearly my choice words was wrong.

Keyser Soze

03-08-2007, 19:39

SWP has been amazing in pre-season and it's not like he doesn't have the talent; if he gets a decent amount of playing time he'll tear you apart. Definately "worth a mention".

Pizzaro also looks like a very good player at this level.

wrathchild_uk

03-08-2007, 20:21

Pizzaro also looks like a very good player at this level.

Yet Bayern let him go ;)

Wan

03-08-2007, 20:26

Because..

When the sunshine we'll shine togehther..

Kidding..

Maybe it because they want to bring other striker which are Toni & Close?

EDIT: 2000th post!! :w00t

Keyser Soze

03-08-2007, 20:36

Yet Bayern let him go ;)
Wow, he must be terrible then. :mellow: Besides, he rejected a contract with them and left on a free.

Singh

03-08-2007, 20:36

What a save that was by kuszack!

Wan

03-08-2007, 20:39

What match do you watch now?

Singh

03-08-2007, 20:40

Im watching Doncaster vs Man utd! anderson is looking good....

Calzone

03-08-2007, 20:41

Wan, Why is it that your english is better on MSN, but when you post here I have trouble understanding what you type? You're to funny I must say though. :laugh:

Wan

03-08-2007, 20:46

Because the English that I talk in MSN is simpler..

-The Trooper-

03-08-2007, 21:05

I'd have United's choice over Chelsea's choice any day of the week

You suck then.

Isn't Robben leaving?

The only people who are worth a mention in your list is Drogba, J Cole and Robben.

He would be with us forever but his agent (dad) is being a money grabbing bastard. He want's in-excess of £90,000 a week.

wrathchild_uk

03-08-2007, 22:52

Wow, he must be terrible then. :mellow: Besides, he rejected a contract with them and left on a free.

Noooo i think it was more like they didn't want to give him another one cus he'd been abit of a noob during his time there....like stealing the ball so he could take a pen and then missing that pen :huh:

Keyser Soze

03-08-2007, 22:58

Joel

03-08-2007, 23:18

Noooo i think it was more like they didn't want to give him another one cus he'd been abit of a noob during his time there....like stealing the ball so he could take a pen and then missing that pen :huh:

He was offer a new contract and he turned it down.

Chelsea, Juventus and a few other clubs were interested in him, so I'm not sure what you are trying to prove, but if it is that he is a reject, then you are wrong.

wrathchild_uk

03-08-2007, 23:32

He was offer a new contract and he turned it down.

Chelsea, Juventus and a few other clubs were interested in him, so I'm not sure what you are trying to prove, but if it is that he is a reject, then you are wrong.

No just saying that if he was THAT good then Bayern would of probably gone out of there way to offer him an amazing deal, like there general manager said for him to be given the money he was asking for he'd have to be playing like Shevechenko (during his milan days) i may be wrong and he might turn out to be amazing but you can't exactly say that i'm wrong when he aint even played in the prem yet....